1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: in terrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: riveting new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: seven sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: new network for Crime, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. You Know the 9 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: Films Shakespeare and Love, Goodwill, Hunting, Silver Linings, Playbook, The 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: Man Behind Them. Legendary Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein after multiple 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: sexual harassment allegations, movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has been forced 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: out of his own company. His movies have won a 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: total of seventy five oscars. Eight women, including actress Actually Joe, 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: came forward to accused Winstine of sexual misconduct. At the 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Times uncovered sexual harassment allegations that span almost three decades. 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: The film executive and announced plans to take a quote 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: leave of absence on the Famous Guys being very incomfortable 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: right now, coming now and one minute and if you 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: want to leave when the guy comes from gretry used today, 20 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: you're used to that to Hollywood. As the number of 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: alleged sex victims of Harvey Weinstein pile up, he claims 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: he was going to rehab and Europe. Well, he emerged 23 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: just a few hours ago giving the finger at reporters. 24 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: And he was not in Europe in rehab. He wasn't 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: even in rehab. He was laxon on the strip in Hollywood. 26 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: All hold up in the Peninsula Hotel, one of the 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: most luxurious spots in our country. Yeah, that doesn't sound 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: like rehab to me. Joining me right now is the 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: net Soca investigative reporter, the founder of Women for One, 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: sex abuse victim advocate Kelly mcnellis well known psychologists out 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: of New York. Here and Stark and Joseph Scott Morgan 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: forensics expert. Straight to you, Ninette Sosa, I now understand 33 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: that there is an FBI probe of Harvey Weinstein. The 34 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: numbers are piling up. What's happening? The numbers are piling up, 35 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Nancy with allegations of sexual abuse and assault from Harvey Weinstein, 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: the Hollywood producer, so much so that it includes a 37 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: French actress, a British actress, even a girl from design 38 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: school slash waitress aspiring actress. So along with the big 39 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: names Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Palto et cetera, with allegations 40 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: of having been per se um abused or the emans 41 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: from this Hollywood producer. Um, I'm gonna roll in with 42 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, who is quoted as saying I've known him 43 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: for years. I'm not surprised. And this is an FBI 44 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: investigation now at the request of the Department of Justice. 45 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: Mind you, that's run by a G. Jeff Session, so 46 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: it's not too far from the White House. And because 47 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: of that I mentioned Donald Trump and hence this FBI 48 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: investigation that is now happening. I'm glad to hear it. 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: And I keep politics out of crime because to me, 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: crime does not need to be politicized. It as across 51 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: the board's Democrats, Republicans, Greens, independents, you name it. Crime 52 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: effects everyone. And you can look at this list of women. 53 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: Look at them. Some are famous, like Gwyneth Paltrow, who 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: apparently tried to out him over a decade ago when 55 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: he harassed her sexually but now there are rape allegations 56 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: piling up. In an article by Ronan Pharaoh, it outlines 57 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: three different women that we know of right now. They're 58 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: not claiming, hey, he wanted me to give him a 59 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: massage in order to get a movie role. They're claiming 60 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: outright rape of this guy on this guy. So what 61 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: is the truth? These are still allegations, nothing has been 62 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: proven in court. But when you bring in the FBI. Look, 63 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: you don't want to wake up in the morning, as 64 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: I always say, Alan, do look out your kitchen window 65 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: and see the FBI picking through your trash. Okay, that's 66 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: not a good sign. When the FBI is on your tail, 67 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: you're in trouble. Duke. Yeah, I keep my window open 68 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: for that. You better keep your eye out for that. 69 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: And you know what, power to the FBI because when 70 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: this was handed on a silver platter, Kelly mcnallis, as 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: my father always said, Hey, it was sitting on the 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: Christmas tree, so to pick it up? Why p D 73 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: the New York Police Department. A woman comes racing to 74 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: them after he tries to sexually attack her all beside herself. 75 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: They wire her and she goes and catches Weinstein on 76 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: tape and they think they've got a case, and then 77 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: they sent it to the d A and nothing happens. 78 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Keilly mcnellis founder of Women 79 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: for One, sex abuse victim advocate. Listen to Harvey Weinstein 80 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: on secret tape. What do we have to do here? 81 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna till you shower. You sit there and have 82 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: a drink, drink, and I stayed on the bar. You 83 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: must come here now anything. I'm sorry, I don't know. 84 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: Yesterday was a kind of aggressive for it. I need 85 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: to know a person because a thing I don't think. Please, 86 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I swear I won't just sit with me. Don't embarrass 87 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: me in the hotel. I'm here all the time. The 88 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: can here. Listen to me. I want to go downstairs. 89 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything. You will never see me. 90 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: An inhabit this if you if you embarrassed me in 91 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: this hotel, I'm not embarrassing you. It's just that I 92 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: don't I don't feel comfortable. I mean, you don't have 93 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: a fact with me before. Please, I'm not going to 94 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: do anything. I swear my children. Please come in on everything. 95 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm a famous guy. You're being very comfortable. Just come 96 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: in now and one minute and if you want to 97 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: leave when the guy comes with my life us today 98 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: you touch my brace please, I'm sorry. Just come on, 99 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm used to that. Are You're used to that, you know, 100 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not used to that again. If you're everbid, 101 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: please no, I don't want to get this now, you're 102 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: embarrass You'll call me again praying I'm sorry. Right, anyone 103 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: do anything? I know, but I'm I will never do 104 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: another thing to you five minutes. Don't love your friendship 105 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: with me for five minutes. I know, but it's kind 106 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: of like it's so much for me. Please you're making 107 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: a big scene here, but I want to Kelly mcnellis. 108 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Thank god the FBI is on it because the NYPD 109 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: did do squat. This is all about power and silencing women, 110 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: and women have been silenced for years, and that's why 111 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I created Women for One, so women could find their 112 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: voices and speak out. Finally, Nancy, because I am sick 113 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: and tired of it. To be honest, I gotta tell 114 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: you something, Kelly. I'm with you. Kelly mcnelli's joining me 115 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: along with Karen Starting and it's Sosa and Joe Scott Morgan. 116 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: Kelly Um, I'm not sure the psychopathy the thinking behind 117 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: women that don't speak out about sex attack. But I 118 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: know many of them very personally that have never come forward. 119 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know why, but that's the way that 120 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: many women feel. And I think about these women that 121 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: needed job. I'm not talking about Angelina, Joe Lie, Gwyneth Paltra, Okay, 122 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the assistant, the receptionist, the aspiring model, 123 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: the aspiring actress who has started us in their eyes 124 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: and they meet Weinstein and this is what happens. He 125 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: comes out of the bathroom naked with an erection. Uh No, 126 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: that right there is a crime. That right there, if true, 127 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: is a crime. And for all these years, nobody did 128 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: a darn thing about it. Power to the FBI. I 129 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: want to just jump in with the It was the 130 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Italian model. Her name is Amber Butt Buddy Lana Gutrez. 131 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: She's the one who said Harvey had put his hand 132 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: up her skirt during a business meeting. She was wired. 133 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Then later, uh, these charges were dropped. Um, her would 134 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: she charged with anyway? The police dropped those charges. But 135 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: what's interesting it was dropped by the Manhattan District Attorney's 136 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: office Cyrus Advance. Months later, a wine Stein attorney donates 137 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars to Cyrus Advances reelection campaign. There you go. 138 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that was the payoff 139 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: the ten thousand dollars for the charges to get dropped, 140 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: or how that all uh, you know, comes together, but 141 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: there was definitely a campaign donation to this district attorney 142 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: months later after the charges were dropped. It's all that, 143 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: old boys. This is what I learned. Juice Goot Morgan, 144 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: Death's an investigator and forensics expert. When you are district 145 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: attorney and assistant district attorney a judge. When you are 146 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: in that position, I wouldcall it very well. You must 147 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Those are the ethical 148 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: rules on lawyers in public service. And I'll tell you why. 149 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: You can't even have it look like you do something wrong, 150 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: whether you do or not. And the reason is because 151 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: the public we'll lose faith in the system. It's you know, 152 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: that's how revolutions and uprisings occur when the system breaks down. 153 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: When nobody believes in the system. Anymore people tear the 154 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: system down, there will be no justice system. It invalidates 155 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: the way to the office. And you know, we've seen 156 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: this play out over and over again in the media 157 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: with with corruption uh in various departments, and not not 158 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: just how it appears in the media, but just how 159 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: it appears to the victims that you're supposed to be 160 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: serving and that you're supposed to be representing. Now, how 161 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: to moralizing? How to humanizing? Is it if you're a 162 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: young lady who has been violated by someone and you're 163 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: this lone you seem to be this lone voice crying 164 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: in the wilderness, help me. It's a horrible, horrible fear. 165 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: And then and then you you don't receive any health 166 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: and your people are laughing at I want to tell 167 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: you something about a judge. It was not my judge 168 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that I was in front off for so many years, 169 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Luther Alverson. This was another judge, Don Langham, and um, 170 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I'll never forget. It was my very first major drug case, 171 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: major drug trafficking. And it was a really rich guy. Actually, 172 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: he's the one that turned up many years later connected 173 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: to O. J. Simpson. His name was Charles Erlick, Charlie Tuna. 174 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: And I was sitting in court and have my little 175 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: dress on you light as well. Know what I'm talking about. 176 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: That I ordered from Chadwick's for thirty nine dollars. It 177 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: was um, let's see that one was black plain, neck 178 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: down to the wrist, down to the knee. And I 179 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: was sitting there and incomes the defense lawyer, and I'll 180 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: never forget him. He was feared and revered all around 181 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: Metro Atlanta. He was tall and imposing, like six ft three. Yeah, 182 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: highlight sent us here. And it was blond here back 183 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: like brushed back, like Frazier. And he had on it 184 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: had to be a three thousand dollar suit and beautiful. 185 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: At the time. I had never even seen she was 186 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: like this. They had a dull shine to them. And 187 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: he had jewel encrusted cuff links. He was perfect. And 188 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: he had on a coach slung over his shoulders like 189 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: a cape. He was carrying nothing. And then he had 190 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: all these little people running behind him that all their 191 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: arms were full of stuff. And I took one look 192 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: at him, and then he met with the judge behind 193 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: chambers alone without me, which in many cases would be appropriate, inappropriate, 194 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, dear Lord, he knows Langham, he 195 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: knows the judge. What did he contribute to the campaign. 196 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: What happened to their old friends. And I was just 197 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: sitting there here alone at my table, surrounded by all 198 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: my my research. I had my cocaine with me that 199 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: had been seized, and my witness, my witness was a 200 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: drunk uh lobby attendant. That was my witness and my 201 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: cop and we were just the three of us, three 202 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: little misfits sitting there. And the first thing that had 203 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: to happen was a search issue. And if the search 204 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 1: issue failed, If I lost the search and it didn't 205 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: come into evidence, the case was over. This was without 206 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: a jury. It was all on the judge. If the 207 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: evidence was ruled out, the case would be over. And 208 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: I just I was just sick. And guess what, Joe Scott, 209 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: the judge ruled in my favor. He did not go 210 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: along with his friend. I don't even know if they 211 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: were friends, but it sure looked like it. And I 212 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: want to have that core room believing in the justice system. 213 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about this woman. It goes up against 214 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: Weinstein and agrees to wear a wire and then they 215 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: drop They drop it. They never prosecute, they don't take 216 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: it to a jury, they don't take it to a 217 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: grand jury. It never even gets that for they just 218 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: decide on their own. They're they're gonna let Weinstein go. 219 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: Why it takes so much courage? Nancy, tip of the iceberg, Nancy. 220 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: I believe that this is I believe that this is 221 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: going to continue to go forward like this, and I 222 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: think that there's going to be more and more. And 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: there's so many layers of the scene. It covers so 224 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: many years, Nancy, going back, and as people feel safe now, 225 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna begin to peel this thing back. And I 226 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: don't know that we we can even appreciate the full 227 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: impact of this going forward. Well what about this, Karen Stark? Uh, 228 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: we hear from Weinstein? He says every body deserves a 229 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: second chance. I want I want another chance, and then 230 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: he shoots a bird. Okay, did I get that wrong here? 231 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: That says aggressiveness, and that makes him particularly vile, Nancy, 232 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: because you're talking about someone who is capable of rape, 233 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: and I want to say something people don't they Everyone 234 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: says why didn't they come forward at the time? And 235 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: your story answers it speaks to that question, why don't 236 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: women come forward? Because nobody wants to hear about it 237 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: because it's this goes with the business. Doesn't everybody know 238 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: this goes with the business. I want to tell you 239 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: back in the late eighties, I used to teach women 240 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: and I feel terrible saying this, but these were the facts. 241 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: I would teach women how to very nicely turn down 242 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: sexual overtures at work because women were in a bind. 243 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: If their boss, someone above them came on to them, 244 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: they had their job at risk, and so how could 245 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: they cope with it? And what I would help them 246 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: to do is to find a nice way to avoid 247 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: the situation. Why are you saying there's some sorts wrong 248 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: with that, because women are still in that position exactly. 249 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: It's either they say no, they get fired and nobody 250 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: believes them, they go to police. I mean, then they 251 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: don't have a job. I mean, when you have people 252 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: counting on you to bring home a paycheck, that's a 253 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: whole different can of worms. You don't want to lose 254 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: your job, but you don't want to submit to sex overturs. Karen, 255 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: I hear you. Is it right? No, it's not right. 256 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: Is it real? Yes? It is the stark reality. Also 257 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert is there's no scientific evidence. 258 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Now there's nothing left of any of these claims. No, no, 259 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: there's not. And and this is unless you know, we 260 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: won't mention any names, but unless someone has retained something 261 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: from the past that has some kind of bodily fluid on. 262 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like the blue dress and Monica Lewinsky got it. Well, 263 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: I'll let you say that, uh, the real Hey, hey, 264 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm with Nathan Lane the other day. You know, I 265 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: love Nathan Lane so much. He came out, he was 266 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: describing a an aggressive incident, according to him, with Weinstein 267 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: years ago and goes, hey, I don't have a film career. 268 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: I can say whatever I want to. I can speak 269 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the truth. And that's how I feel. Believe me. I 270 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: don't have a film career, so I can say the 271 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 1: truth as I see it. Yeah. Yeah, And going back, uh, 272 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: relative to fiscal evidence, you know, one of the things 273 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: that we based everything on in forensics is that every 274 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: contact leaves a trace. And this implies this applies to 275 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the physical evidence that you would find on an object. 276 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: And it also goes to this and this is a sadder, 277 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: a much sadder picture here. The trauma that was enforced 278 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: are that was perpetrated rather on some unwilling person here 279 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: where you would have trauma that could be actually examined. 280 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: But I guarantee you there's a lot of people out 281 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: there that are deeply scarred by this. But you know, 282 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately forensics we we don't, we're not there to demonstrate that. 283 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: Let me pause very briefly and thank our partner today 284 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: making our serious XE program possible as we shine a 285 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: light on this series of alleged sex assaults. It's legal Zoom. 286 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: When you run your own business, you know, time equals money. 287 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: That's not just an old saying, it's true. So why 288 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: waste your valuable time dealing with issues legal zoom can 289 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: help with You may already know over two million people 290 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: have used a legal Zoom to start their businesses. 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Ellen Jukes, 310 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: who in a nutshell, what does Laurence savon? He's a 311 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: television reporter out of Los Angeles, She says. Several years 312 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: ago she met Weinstein at an event at a restaurant 313 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: that he was a partial owner to. He invited her 314 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: down into the kitchen. She says. When they went into 315 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: the kitchen, he asked everybody to leave, and then he 316 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: blocked the door, her only way out. He's a big man. 317 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: She was five ft two and started pleasuring himself and 318 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: insisted that she watched. And she kept quiet about it 319 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: for years, although she didn't tell people. Okay, you know what, 320 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: let's listen to Laurence savan in her own words, as 321 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: much as I enjoy hearing you recount it, Alan, let's 322 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: listen to Laurence Savon. I had no idea what was 323 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: going to happen, and it happened very quickly, and he 324 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: immediately um exposed himself and you know, began pleasuring himself. 325 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: And I've just stood there, dumbfounded. What are you thinking? 326 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: In this moment? I was so shocked. I could not 327 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: believe what I was witnessing. Could not believe what I 328 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: was witnessing. It was disgusting and and kind of pathetic. 329 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to another alleged weine scene victim Lusett Guys. 330 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: Harvey then offered to reconvene the meeting in his office, 331 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: which was adjacent to his hotel room. Obviously, I was hesitant. 332 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: I had heard some stories previously about Harvey's behavior with women. 333 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: So there was a hotel security camera right above us, 334 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: and I said to him, I will take this eating 335 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: with you if you will shake my hand. That you 336 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: will not touch me, and he shook my hand and 337 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: kind of laughed it off. We went to his office 338 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: and we had a great conversation about his current film 339 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: and the film that I was pitching. He seemed genuinely 340 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: interested and I was excited. After about thirty minutes, he 341 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: asked to excuse himself and go to the bathroom. He 342 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: returned in nothing but a robe with the front open, 343 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: and he was buck naked. He told me to keep 344 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: talking about my film and that he was going to 345 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: hop into his hot tub that was adjacent to the room, 346 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: just steps away. When I finished my pitch, I was 347 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: obviously nervous, and he just kept asking me to watch 348 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: him masturbate. I told him I was leaving. He quickly 349 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: got it out of the tub and grabbed my forearm 350 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: as I was trying to grab my purse, and he 351 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: led me to his bathroom, pleading that I just watched 352 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: him masturbate. My heart was racing and I was very scared. 353 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: I pulled my arm away finally and headed to the door. 354 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: He started following me and telling me that he could 355 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: introduce me to Bob Wine scene and then I could 356 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: get a three picture deal, and that he would green 357 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: light my script, but I had to watch him masturbate. 358 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: And now enter lawyer to the stars Gloria. All right, 359 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: now this is somebody you don't want to tangle with. 360 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: I know Gloria very very well, and let me tell 361 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: you a little story. Karen Stark Um, I remember during 362 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson case and meeting many others. But during 363 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, I would be there all day in court. 364 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Then I do a court TV program. Then I would 365 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: stay for Larry King. Uh. It would be really late 366 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: at night by by that time, and it would be 367 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: getting on ten o'clock at night. Finally the court room 368 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: had been there at seven in the morning, Gloria alread 369 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: will be standing there in her awesome St. John's suit 370 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: with two cell phones, working, working ten o'clock at night. 371 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: She like wave with her elbow and keep working. Okay, 372 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: She's is not sitting back as a you know, celebrity lawyer. 373 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: She's working. And you know Kelly mcnella sex abuse victim, 374 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: advocate and founder of Women For One. Why is someone 375 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: like Gloria so important right now? You know, we all 376 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: as women right now need to speak up. It is 377 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: it takes so much courage, Nancy. You know me from 378 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: personal experience with being abused by my father when I 379 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: was younger, and then by men in college. I feel 380 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: like we just shut down our voices because we're terrified. So, 381 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: like you spoke about that other woman that wore that wire, 382 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: do you know how much courage that takes the average 383 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: woman with all power put on her from society. And 384 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: then I just have so much respect for someone that 385 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: can do that. It's so important. Well, let's take a 386 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: listen to Gloria already. Remember the New York Police Department 387 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: got this guy on a wire, and then the d 388 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: A did nothing. Okay, at least Alread is standing up 389 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: for the victims, all right. Whether you like her or don't, 390 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: she's not afraid to take on Harvey Weinstein. That's a 391 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: big deal, List Gloria Alread. Harvey then offered to reconvene 392 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: the meeting in his office, which was adjacent to his 393 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: hotel room. Obviously, I was hesitant. I had heard some 394 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: stories previously about Harvey's behavior with women. So there was 395 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: a hotel security camera right above us, and I said 396 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: to him, I will take this meeting with you if 397 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: you will shake my hand. That you will not touch me, 398 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: and he shook my hand and kind of laughed it off. 399 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: We went to his office and we had a great 400 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: conversation about his current film and the film that I 401 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: was kitching. He seemed genuinely interested and I was excited. 402 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: After about thirty minutes, he asked to excuse himself and 403 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. He returned in nothing but a 404 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: robe with the front open, and he was buck naked. 405 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: He told me to keep talking about my film and 406 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: that he was going to hop into his hot tub 407 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: that was adjacent to the room, just steps away. When 408 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: I finished my pitch, I was obviously nervous, and he 409 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: just kept asking me to watch him masturbate. I told 410 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: him I was leaving. He quickly got it out of 411 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: the tub and grabbed my forearm as I was trying 412 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: to grab my purse, and he led me to his bathroom, 413 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: pleading that I just watched him masturbate. My heart was 414 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: racing and I was very scared. I pulled my arm 415 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: away finally and headed to the door. He started following 416 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: me and telling me that he could introduce me to 417 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: Bob Weinstein and then I could get a three picture deal, 418 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: and that he would green light my script, but I 419 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: had to watch him masturbate back to Alan Deep joining 420 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: me out of l A Um. This whole thing is 421 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: sending shot waves through the l A community. I'm not 422 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: really worried about the l A community. What do you 423 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: make of a call from Weinstein's daughter in the last 424 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: hours climbing her father is suicidal. Then he turns up 425 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: shooting birds at people and asking for a second chance. 426 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: And he lied about going to rehab in Europe. He's 427 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: been snugged up at the Peninsula. You want to describe 428 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: the Peninsula Hotel for everybody that hasn't had the advantage 429 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: to stay in one of their luxury suites. What about it? Alan? 430 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: What is it? It's in Beverly Hills. It is where 431 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: the real elite go to meet. I've been there for 432 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: some meetings and I can tell you it's very high class. 433 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: But it was his favorite place. It seems he camped 434 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: out there. The problem this week though, when Harvey Weinstein 435 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: was talking with his daughter at her home, they got 436 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: into an argument and it was so loud that somebody 437 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: called police. Somebody thought that there might be a suicide 438 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: threat there, but the daughter denies it and says they 439 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: were just arguing, but Weinstein was so anxious to leave 440 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: he jumped into a random card, not an uber, not 441 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: a limo, not somebody he knew. He flagged down somebody 442 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: he didn't know, jumped in the car and asked for 443 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: a ride to get away. Oh no, I'm looking at 444 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: Peninsula Hotel. Um. Okay, if you get a good deal, 445 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: like a discount, it's seven about six hundred and sixty 446 00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: seven dollars per rim talking about seven hundred dollars a 447 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: room for one night. And that's if you get a deal. 448 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: If you get a discount to have an afternoon tea. 449 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: There an afternoon tea, it's around a hundred dollars for 450 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: tea tea. Okay, yeah, you get a choice of nineteen 451 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: different loose leaf teas. But that's pretty price e huh 452 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: about a hundred bucks. Can you help me out here, Allen? 453 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: Why does it cost so much? And that's where Weinstein 454 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: is all snugged up. This is pretty much the most 455 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: one of the most exclusive they've opened up. You know, uh, 456 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: the wilsh Well, there's the Beverly will Shure, there's the 457 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: Waldoff a story that's now across the street. From it. 458 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: But I'm looking on price line and this is where 459 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm cheap enough. I order on price line. If I 460 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: wanted a room, it would be six only one room left, 461 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: it says, if I wanted to book it right now. 462 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: So that's the re have care and Stark, that's where 463 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: he is. He lied and then shot the bird and 464 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: everybody that asked why he wasn't in rehab. He's in Hollywood. 465 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: He's he is used to power. Nancy, I don't see 466 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: this guy going into rehab because he felt like he 467 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 1: was entitled to be able to come onto these women, 468 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: to rape these women. He was in a position of power. 469 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: They were vulnerable, and Hollywood is known for that people 470 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: turn a blind eye. If this can stop, it would 471 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: be a miracle because women have always been taken advantage 472 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: in these kind of situations. No net, says an investigative reporter. 473 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: There's now word that this guy who if he were 474 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: anybody else and these allegations were true, he'd be being 475 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: he'd be tried for rape or sex assault if these 476 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: allegations are true. Instead, there's word he's going to a 477 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: rehab in Arizona. Not what do you make of it? Well, 478 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: he switched from going to an international rehab now to 479 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: Arizona Treatment for sex addiction Meadows Rehab as a matter 480 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: of fact, and they do have a forty five day 481 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: program there that's gentle path program. So he would be 482 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: dealing with equine therapy, ar't yoga and some counseling for 483 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: his sex addiction. Equine therapy. Karen Start was at horse 484 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: horseback riding and no, it's it's working with horses so 485 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: people feel trust. People who have been traumatized feel they traumatized. 486 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: That was the traumas exactly. That's what's so remarkable about 487 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: this is that I don't see any kind of trauma 488 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: that he's going through. And so how does this work 489 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: with sexual addiction? You know how hard it is to 490 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: change somebody who has a sexual perversion, and he's to 491 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: be relating to horses so that he could feel better 492 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: about himself. I don't understand that I feel sorry for 493 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: the horse. I don't get a technically, technically he is 494 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: he is. He is traumatized because he got caught. Yes, 495 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: but that's not is the old adage I used to 496 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: love arguing this is to juries, not sorry he did it, 497 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: sorry got caught joining me right now is a legal 498 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: expert and veteran criminal defense attorney and no stranger to 499 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. L A lawyer, Troy W. Slayton, Troy, 500 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know, there's been 501 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: much made of the fact that President Trump has urged 502 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: the d o J to open up an investigation on Weinstein. 503 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: Now we don't know that, and again I have no 504 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: interest in politicizing a potential crime. But the fact that 505 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: the FBI allegedly has started an investigation on Weinstein, that's 506 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: not good for him, and at least some law enforcement 507 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: arm is taking action. Troy. The Department of Justice regulates 508 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: their controls the FBI, and there are several federal crimes 509 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: that Harvey Weinstein could be on the hook for. The 510 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: most notably that comes to mind is RICO under eighteen 511 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: United States Code nineteen sixte Now, normally we think about 512 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: RICO in terms of like organized crime, but you don't 513 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: really have to go there. If Harvey Weinstein, and as 514 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: the stories are emerging, several people at the Weinstein Company 515 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: and at Merrimax were enabling him, then they could all 516 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: be on the hook. Well, here's another thing I don't 517 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: know if you've heard the very latest, but actress Kate 518 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Beckinsale says Weinstein tried to have sex with her when 519 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: she was just seventeen years old, and also claims it 520 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: undoubtedly harmed her career. Now here's another angle, Troy, a 521 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: civil rights action because when you harass, intimidate, commit a 522 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: crime on a protected class, and that would be women 523 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: or minorities. Doesn't matter that more of the population or women, 524 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: women or minorities in a systematic way, that is a 525 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: civil rights violation. And that's why we see and I 526 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: want to I want to get your take on that, Troy, 527 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: because that's why we see, for instance, and the Rodney 528 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: King beating. Remember that, Remember, as I recall it, Alan, 529 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 1: you were there, we were all watching when this went down. 530 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: The beating of a black man by why I was 531 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: a vicious, vicious beating and then the fans got in 532 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: on it. Under a civil rights at do you remember that, Troy. Absolutely, 533 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: a person is not allowed to violate the civil of another. 534 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, how many of the victims were promised movie 535 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,280 Speaker 1: deals for sexual favors that they never ended up getting 536 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: another I don't know why you're putting perfume on the 537 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: pigs like, and you call it sexual favors, like it's 538 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: a lovely package tied up under the Christmas tree. It's 539 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: rape and sex assault allegedly, that's what we're talking about. 540 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: Don't make him nicer than it is, Nancy. If one 541 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: of the prosecutors alleges that Harvey Weinstein and the company 542 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: engaged in acts of terrorism against these women, then that 543 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: could be another predicate act. I want to talk to 544 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: you about what you're saying. Rico racketeering, that's what he's 545 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 1: talking about. Is usually it started off with the mob, 546 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: then it expanded to just basically dopers that had either 547 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: a loose or a very tight um enterprise in other words, 548 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: had other people working with them to achieve a criminal end. 549 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: And dopers and mobsters are always afraid of rico action. 550 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: It's basically a criminal enterprise. In other words, it's not 551 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: just you doing it on your own. You've got a 552 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: network of other people helping you. Like El Chapo, you 553 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 1: know the drug lord, he has hundreds of people working 554 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: for him. That's a criminal enterprise. The mob, they've got 555 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of people that are in the mob. All what's 556 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: stealing cars, selling dope, pushing hookers, murder, blah blah. It's 557 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: all part of one criminal enterprise to make criminal money. 558 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: So here the framework I understand you are saying is 559 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: that Weinstein could be prosecuted with a civil rights violation 560 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: on these women or a criminal act or sexual harassment 561 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: with the help of his underlings, and therefore it becomes 562 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: a criminal enterprise. Yes, no, yes, but it's not just criminal. 563 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: Rico could also be civil. There's a federal civil action 564 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: for Rico, and there's even at California civil action f Rico. 565 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,720 Speaker 1: So he could find himself in state court, in sederal 566 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,959 Speaker 1: civil court, and the worst for him, in federal criminal court. 567 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: Alan deep Uh. The fact that Kate Beckinsal is now 568 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: coming forward and saying that Weinstein tried, well, it's the 569 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: same old thing. They go to a hotel room for 570 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: a meeting and he shows up in his dressing down 571 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: his robe and tries to give her booze. Okay, she 572 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: still thinks to this day that that hurt this beautiful star, 573 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,879 Speaker 1: the star of Underworld, revealed this on Instagram and it's 574 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: just happened that he sexually harassed her when she was 575 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: just a seventeen year old girl. I mean Troy is 576 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: the same old story. She thinks she's going to a meeting. 577 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: She goes to the Savoy Hotel. She thinks it's gonna 578 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: be in a conference room. When she arrives, receptionists the 579 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: Savoy tell Swar to go to his room. I've done 580 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: that a million times and didn't think anything of it. 581 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: He opens, I mean, it was two months ago. I 582 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: was bammon on a hotel room door of what I 583 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: believe now a doper and possibly a party to a murder. 584 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 1: That was me bammon on his door, and um, he's 585 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: in jail now. So the guy Weinstein opens the door 586 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: in his bathrobe, Okay. Then he tries to give her 587 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: a booze, and she's even saying things like I have 588 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: school the next morning. I mean, she's seventeen years old. 589 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: That's a minor, Alan Duke. The shocking thing is she 590 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 1: says that a few years after that, he asked her 591 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: if he had tried anything with her in that first meeting. 592 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: He she then realized that he couldn't even remember if 593 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: he had assaulted her or not. Oh yeah, that's right, 594 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: she says. A few years later, Troy Slayton, she runs 595 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: into Weinstein she's a brit She runs an to winst 596 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: into Weinstein and he recalls their first meeting and says, quote, Hey, 597 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: did I try anything? So why are people insisting the 598 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: fans can't touch him? Troy, I'm not sure. I mean, 599 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: he may have defenses, and all of this is subject 600 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: to proof at an eventual trial. But once the FBI 601 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: starts talking to people, people start folding, People start quote 602 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: unquote cooperating because nobody wants to be under the thumb 603 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: of the FBI. And it's even another crime if you 604 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: lie to the FBI. And nobody is gonna lie for 605 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: Weinstein when the FBI is knocking up their door. Now, 606 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: hold on just a moment. Here's the perfect example. Martha Stewart. Okay, 607 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: when I was a prosecutor trial you'll laugh at this. 608 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: I'd have been working all day, every day on the weekends, 609 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: putting together trials. You know, I'll wake you're handling calendars 610 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: on the weekend. I try to put my trials together, 611 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: and I'd have Martha Stewart's show in the background where 612 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: she was at her beautiful home up and was it 613 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: turkey here all or something like that, And it was 614 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: like a fantasy I mean, I thought people really live 615 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: like that, and I would imagine me doing all those 616 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: things when I wasn't trying your marder case. My point 617 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: is they brought her in to talk about insider trading, 618 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: alleged insider trading. I wish you'd just clammed up for 619 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: her benefit, But she talked so these people and then 620 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: she ended up going to jail. So these people, um 621 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: that we're at t w C, the Weinstein Company, merrimax. 622 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: If they facilitated these honeypots to catch girls, mislead them 623 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 1: into a sense of safety so Weinstein could come on 624 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 1: to them, or worse, they're in it too, Troy, How 625 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: is that explained legally? How that would work. If they 626 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: lie in order to protect Weinstein, then they're going to 627 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: be prosecuted criminally. And if they give a story about 628 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: what they were doing in order to facilitate this, then 629 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: that is the criminal enterprise. That's the racketeering. Those are 630 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: the predicate act that are required to establish a racketeering charge. 631 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: Now everybody's trying to drag politics into it as usual, 632 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: climbing that President Trump is ordering the d o J 633 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: to urge the FBI to investigate Weinstein because Weinstein donated 634 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: heavily to Trump's rival Hillary Clinton. Who cares? What I 635 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 1: care about is did he rape somebody? Did he sexually 636 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: assault somebody? I don't care? And levels way way way 637 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: above me. Who's changing dirty money? I don't know, and 638 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I care about crime, violent crime, 639 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: and I want to stop it. So why is it 640 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: being politicized? Anthony Weener is going to federal prison for 641 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: two years for sending illicit photographs to somebody who he 642 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: thought was under it. That's not all he did. No, no, no, 643 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: She told him she was under age, and they skyped 644 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: and he had her strip and fondle herself us a 645 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: little more than sending racy pictures. Okay, she's a minor. 646 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: Let me just jog your memory on that choice. In 647 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: that case, there is no physical contact here with Harvey Weinstein. 648 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 1: It's a whole different story. So what do you think 649 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: in the end's gonna happen. I think that we're definitely 650 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: gonna see civil actions because people want money, and so 651 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: as all of these victims, which may be true, may 652 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: not be true, they're going to be suing him in 653 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: state court, in federal court. And we're just gonna have 654 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: to see what the career prosecutors that the d o 655 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: J are going to do with regard to a federal 656 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: criminal prosecution. I certainly hope they do more than the 657 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: n yp D district attorney, the New York District Attorney Vance, 658 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: who did nothing after the NYPD worked up a case 659 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: against Weinstein form allegedly all this allegations. He has not 660 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: been charged criminally. He is not a person of interest, 661 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: he is not a suspect. These are all allegations. By 662 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: now we know of thirty front women reportedly, Hey, Troy, 663 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm not interested you in that way. 664 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: But what are you doing Sunday night? I'm not sure? 665 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: Well you should be sure, because at nine o'clock Eastern 666 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: hat Mark movie and Mystery Dating Is Murder is coming on, 667 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: and I assume you're going to be in the position 668 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: I eat on your sofa with a bag of popcorn. 669 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: I will be watching and and set my DVR and 670 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: so Alan, let's tell him the premise of Dating is Murder. 671 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: Of course, it's about murder, right, Alan. My favorite scene 672 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: is the one we played on the show yesterday of 673 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: you acting as a waitress. Ha ha. That was a 674 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: surly waitress. Troy, You're gonna love it. I was being 675 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: rude to the star who is killing Martin playing Healey Dean, 676 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: and um, given a really hard time that this is 677 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: I'll just give you a little bit of a clue. 678 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: So of course there's a dead body. Okay, let's just 679 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: start with that. And so he only finds out that 680 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: the victim has been on a dating site. I've made 681 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: up a dating site. So she, in order to try 682 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: to catch the killer, gets on the dating site and 683 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,400 Speaker 1: tries to make contact, you know, with people she suspects. 684 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: So she goes through a series of disastrous dates. And 685 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: I was outlining to Alan Deet some ideas I had 686 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: for really bad dates. I had one guy that picked 687 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: his nose the whole time. I had one guy that 688 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: was said he went to the bathroom and left her 689 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: with the check disappeared. Had one guy talked the whole 690 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: time about his ex. Just just all kind of nightmare dates. 691 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: But in this is about solving murder. Hey, guys, take 692 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: a listen to this. Mist I'm really sorry, but today 693 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: is not a good day. Alicia. Excuse me, you need 694 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: to make an appointments. My appointment look I'm really sorry 695 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: about Mirando. Okay, I am, but I have a very 696 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: important meeting with a major investor any minute now. That 697 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: day earlier than expected. Another woman has gone missing. And 698 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: the last time she was saying she was using your app. 699 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: It's a coincidence. Where is Jessica. She's out of the office, 700 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: or such a thing as a coincidence. Well, I can't 701 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: have you tarnishing my apps reputation. Okay, not today. You 702 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,799 Speaker 1: need to leave. A woman's life is in danger and 703 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: all you can think about your ass reputation? Really, Alicia, 704 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: can you call security? Please? Can call? Who have you won? 705 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: You're solving forty two what I've been looking for you 706 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,280 Speaker 1: and you've been right in front of me the whole time. Troy, 707 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: how many times have you and I Alan jump in 708 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: covered an internet murder? I mean Craigslist killer. I mean 709 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 1: they go on and on and on how people meet 710 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: online for whatever reason and end up dead. Doesn't say times, Nancy, 711 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 1: and I hope this is the start of an Alfred 712 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: Hitchcock style cameo for you. In all of your stories 713 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: that are You've been in most of them, haven't you. 714 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,239 Speaker 1: This is your fourth movie. Yeah, I've been in all 715 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,320 Speaker 1: three so far. The first one was Murder with Love. 716 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: The next one was Deadly Estate. And I had the 717 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: idea for Deadly Estate, which revolved around an estate sale. 718 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: A friend of mine, Um, who has twins, would always 719 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: sit in front of me at church. And she moved left, 720 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: and Um moved back to New York City and she 721 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,280 Speaker 1: I said, how'd you get rid of all that furniture? 722 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: And she said, I used everything but the house. That 723 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: was a real life clearing house. And it just gave 724 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: me an idea. They come in and sell all your stuff. 725 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, how to have a murder play at this 726 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 1: one is called dating is a murder? Troy, I think 727 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: you should do a cameo. I really do. Well, all 728 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: my agent please, because that watched up for about twenty years, 729 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: watched up. So okay, it's Sunday night, what Allen? I 730 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 1: think there's a Cagney and Lacey marathon on TV Land 731 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: that night, so I think that's what Troy will be watching. 732 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: Oh please, So that way I could use the residuals. 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