1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Ron An Anian, you need to think ahead. Not only 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: do you need to get the car sorted out and 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: checked over and look at the basics. You've got to 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: think about what if You've got to think about what 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: if you get a flat? What's going to happen? The 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: car Doctor, what makes you think the trans is slipping? Well, 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't think the trans is slipping its slough. His 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: glass never is hunting for a year. It never flips 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: out of overdrive. It it feels like it's flipping a 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: little bit. Welcome to the radio home of ron An Anian, 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your call at eight 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: five five six and now he is running. Hey, welcome 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: Martin car Doctor Herry five five five zero nine nine 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: zero zero. Gather around, let's sit and talk. Let's get 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: together and talk about your automobile and get that problem solved. 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: Get your pointed in the right direction, and uh help 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: the motor run down the road nice and smooth. WW 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 1: did with Dot Car Doctor Show dot com. W's gonna 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: do that again? Www, Dot Car Doctor Show dot com. 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I made Tom laugh and um he's uh, he's man 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: on the board today on his own Tony. Tony's amongst 26 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: the missing go ahead. 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It 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: was a long week and it was just you know, 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: it was a short week, right, This was a memorial 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: day week, so we were closed on Monday and Tuesday 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: we hit it hard and we fixed a pile of cars. 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: And then Wednesday it was the dentist in the middle 47 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: of the day. Not that you need to know that, 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: but now you do. And then four o'clock on Wednesday 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: we banged it up an hour early. If you came 50 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: by the shop on Wednesday, well I wasn't there. We 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: we banged the whole thing up, and I got out early. 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: I had to get I had to get what's normally 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: a forty five minute trip, but for those of you 54 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: that live in an area where there's traffic at rush hour, 55 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: you understand that. And I went. I had to get 56 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: an hour away and it would have been a two 57 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: and a half hour ride, and I did it in 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: an hour because I left early, went down to Islam, 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey, exit one one, and I spent four and 60 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: a half almost five hours with the trainers from Automotive 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: Training Group a t G training dot com and talking 62 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: to them with Chrysler about Chrysler, learning, Chrysler and a 63 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: car line that I do not see a lot of 64 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: right now, and I think it's got to do with 65 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: the way the market is trending, and you know what 66 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: Chrysler's are selling. I don't think they're selling nearly is 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: what a Toyota four GM, et cetera is. But still 68 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: it's systems you have to know, because when you know 69 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: one system, you can work on that second system. You 70 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: can take a look at and start to make some 71 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: deductive reasoning about how this works or that works, and 72 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: truth be told. The instructor, Chris Lewis, brought up in 73 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: the class that a lot of what we see on 74 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: cars today are merely the manufacturers stealing from one another 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: in one sense, and didn't say it's so much in 76 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: those so many words, but you kind of got that 77 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: when you when you read between the lines one of 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: the things I learned in class this weekend. Then I 79 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: repeated that. By the way, I came home Wednesday night, thirty, 80 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: got up, did the whole work thing till four o'clock, 81 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: ran back down to Island, um until got home to 82 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: all thirty Thursday, and I got up and came to 83 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: work on Friday. So it's been a long week. But 84 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: it was worth it. It was worth every minute of it. 85 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: It was worth every penny of it because of you know, 86 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: sitting there in that environment and the things that you 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: pick up and the little tidbits here and there. One 88 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: of the words I I've learned this week, and I 89 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: think it's a great word, and I think we're gonna 90 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: start to incorporate more here on the show. It's a 91 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: great way to look at it. And it's something a 92 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: t G created our high level indicators, And that's really 93 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: what I want to talk to you about today, high 94 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: level indicators. What's going on? You know, you tell me 95 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: your car does this or that, and it's it's basically 96 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: what I've been talking about for the past twenty six years, 97 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: past forty three years repairing cars. You know, the car breaks, 98 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: What did it do? Not what do you think it is? 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: You know, but but what did it do? Installed? Okay, 100 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: So what are you gonna test? What are you gonna 101 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: look at to determine where you want to go and 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: make the repair? And sometimes that high level indicator process 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: involves and it always actually involves testing known good or 104 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, eliminate fuel pressure. Talking with one of the 105 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: fellows in the class, he was stunned to hear that 106 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: I hook a fuel pressure gauge up to just about 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: every diagnosis I do you know? And I explained the 108 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: whole You know, in three minutes, took up a fuel 109 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: pressure gauge on a on a straighter valve equipped car 110 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: in three minutes. You know pressure, you know volume? You 111 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: know you take a fuel sample by hitting the release 112 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: valve into the snapple bottle. You guys have heard me 113 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: talk about this for years. At least I can take 114 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: that off the chart. But how many cars have I 115 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: fixed because it was a dirty fuel sample? Or how 116 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: many cars have I fixed because as I left the 117 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: fuel pressure gauge hooked up twenty minutes later the pressure 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: started to bleed off and drop or or get flaky 119 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: and start to rise and fall, or it didn't have 120 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: the volume. How many cars high level indicators. It's all 121 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: so looking at and thinking, you know, what are the 122 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: critical inputs? And that's something I've I've talked about and 123 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: taught here on radio for umpteen years and do so 124 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: in the shop basically at the counter every day, in 125 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: the sense that you know, where was cool attempt, where 126 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: was intake? Where was you know, what did the fuel 127 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: trims do? And and And the problem is though that 128 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: we're we're learning to change the way we do some 129 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: of this because the grouping of data PIDs is just 130 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: the number of pigs is some manufacturers are putting out 131 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: four pigs four hundred pieces of information. Which is why 132 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: when we diagnose, and we talked about this in class, 133 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: that you really start on the O B D two 134 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: side of life and start to look at the same 135 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: basic functional groups or same functional pieces of data from 136 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: car to car to car. It was interesting Chrysler calls 137 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: some things totally different terminology upstream downstream O two sensors, 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: totally different than what the rest of the car manufacturers do, 139 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: and it makes it so specific. Great if you're a 140 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: Chrysler tech and that's all you're seeing, but if you 141 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: are a if you're an independent repair shop tech, it's 142 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: it's a necessity. So you know, you need to understand 143 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: and realize that O B D two is really where 144 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: it's at. One of the disappointments in the class, and 145 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: I only had one, was this. There were seven technicians there, 146 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: seven twenty seven technicians for what I consider some of 147 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: the best. I'm gonna say it's some of the best 148 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: damn training on the planet. How come in all of 149 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: New Jersey, Staten Island, New York, Connecticut and Pennsylvania. Only 150 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: twenty seven mechanics needed to come to a training class. You, 151 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: the consumer, I want the technicians to step out of 152 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: the room and put their egos away and up saying 153 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: stop throwing things at the radio. This isn't about picking 154 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: on people. This is about why aren't we making the effort. 155 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: I still to this day, three four training classes a month, easy? Easy, 156 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: And you know I'm tired, I'm beat up, I'm I'm 157 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm coming to the end. You know, I keep thinking 158 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: that anyway, you know, ten years is gonna go buy 159 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: in a blank watch this. But where the young kids? 160 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: Where are the youngsters? Where the middle ground guys, the 161 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: guys that are just starting out? Does everybody not or 162 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: does everybody know how to do this? And I think not, 163 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: because if if nobody had car problems, if nobody had 164 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: broken cars, the phone would never ring. Here, folks, all 165 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: the cars shows that are in the country, and there's 166 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: not a lot of them. I give you that. Um, 167 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of nationally syndicated radio talk shows 168 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: about automobiles. But you know, why are they always so busy? 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: Why are the better mechanics always busy? Why are the 170 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: bigger shops or the more qualified shops always backlogged mechanics 171 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: whole state in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Staten Island, parts of 172 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: New York, Lower Connecticut. Why are guys afraid to travel? 173 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Why won't they take the training? So I want you 174 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: to ask your mechanic, you know, the next time, and 175 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: I can prove that mechanics need to go to training. 176 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: I want to you know, anybody that calls in today 177 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: and it's you know, I took the cart of the 178 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: mechanic three times and they still can't fix it. And 179 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, for the mechanics out there, you 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: don't like it tough, all right, It's it's what are 181 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: you doing wrong? What are you missing? What new processes 182 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: haven't you opened your mind too? And and and that's 183 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: where training really comes in. And that's why training is 184 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: so darn important. A t G Training dot Com. I'll 185 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: close the segment with this. Uh. You know one of 186 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: the things Chris said in class Wednesday night when we 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: was talking about changing the way you approach training. You know, 188 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: as as a shop owner, do you run your business 189 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: the same way you did ten years ago? I can 190 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: simplify it even more than that. I can tell you 191 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: my story all right. Up until about a year ago, 192 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: we had a thirty gallon drum of green anti freeze, 193 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: traditional green anti freeze that I mixed. I made my 194 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: own anti freeze. I took you know, fresh coolant with 195 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: with with good clean distilled water and so on, because 196 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: I was always particular about where the coolant came from. 197 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: And I made my drum, my cooling drum. It was, 198 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, don't touch Ron's drum. Everybody you know, or 199 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: I show you how to make it, and everybody got 200 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: to to do the thing. We don't have that anymore. 201 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: About four months ago I came to the conclusion I 202 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: don't sell nearly the same amount of green anti freeze 203 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: anymore that I can justify the floor space. And it's gone. 204 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: And now I've gone to a manufacturer with pre mixed 205 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: coolant that it's just dis easy. For the few gallons 206 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: I sell in comparison to the hundreds of gallons that 207 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: I sold, I don't need it anymore. Business has changed, 208 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: The industry is changing. The tolerances are getting tighter, the 209 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: technology is increased sing in a lot of ways. Cars 210 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: are getting simpler, but you still need the understanding and 211 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: the training to properly repair it. Next time your mechanics 212 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: says gee, I don't know, I can't fix this, or 213 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the next time you gotta take the car back to 214 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: the mechanic two or three times, ask him have you 215 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: got the training on this car? Maybe the consumer has 216 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: to push the mechanic because maybe that's what it takes 217 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: to properly motivate the industry to get him out there 218 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: to get training. It's still one of the things that 219 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I look around a lot of training 220 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: classes and a lot of the rooms are still empty. 221 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: Eight five zero nine zero zero. Run any of the 222 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: car doctor rate your service. We're coming back right after this. 223 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: Don't go away. Hey, welcome back Nating the car doctor 224 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: here with the new attitude talking to you about automotive 225 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: problems and how to go about diagnosing him at eight 226 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: five zero nine nine zero zero Car Doctors Show dot com. Um, 227 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: Tom had a I'm gonna pull Tom Beck in here 228 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: for a quick second before we open up the phone. 229 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: Tom tell us the story the comment you made when 230 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: we were on the plause about what you said about 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the Society of Automotive of Radio Broadcast Engineers telling tell 232 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: us that story. I belong to a group. It's called 233 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: the Society of Broadcast Engineers, and we're dedicated to education 234 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: and the local chapter in New York City. We've got 235 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: close to two hundred members. A matter of fact, I 236 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: was chairman for ten years. Um, you put on some 237 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: good programs, you bring in some great people. I mean, 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: it's New York City. Everybody and his uncle wants to 239 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: come and present to the sp E chapter in New 240 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: York City because we're New York City. And the same 241 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: time people show up all the time, and maybe you know, 242 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: when you hold the barbecue you get about sixty or 243 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: seventy and the same time people all the time, and 244 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: it's like, you don't, don't you really want to learn something? 245 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: And after the fact you end up getting phone calls. 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this problem before? Yeah, they talked 247 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: about it right, And let me finish that comment, because 248 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: the finish to that comment is, but you always get 249 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: the phone calls from the people that weren't at the 250 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: training class, which is just the way the automotive industry is. 251 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this driving back and forth to 252 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: the A d G class this week, in that you know, 253 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,599 Speaker 1: first of all, you know, it's because you're you're you know, 254 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: it's a lonely ride. Okay, you know, I felt like 255 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: I lived on the New Jersey on the Garden State 256 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: Parkway this week. But um, you start thinking about and 257 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: I can think about two shops in particular in the 258 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: last two years. They're gone now, they went out of business, 259 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: and they always talked about, you know, they would always 260 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: come in a look at what I was doing. You 261 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: don't need a lab scope, you don't need this scan tool. 262 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: Oh you have too many tools. Oh you go to 263 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: too much classes. You know, everything I was doing was 264 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: wrong and where are they? Well? You know, and that's 265 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: that's the catchule that's the part I don't get. And 266 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's a sign of the times. 267 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: It's the the industry, you know, there is there's a 268 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: difference between what you do and what I do. What 269 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: I do, a lot of people, I mean, I'm an 270 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: independent contractor, but a lot of people have a full 271 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: time job. So if you don't really know, now, okay, 272 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: so you make a couple of phone calls and you 273 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: kind of figure it out. You and I can't do that. 274 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: We have to be on our game every single time, 275 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: every single time. And and folks, I gotta tell you this, 276 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: this gentleman, my my, my engineer, and my board. This 277 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: is the man who has built more than a few 278 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: radio stations in his day. The transmitters, the towers, the 279 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: you know this guy, I'll get me on the air 280 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the Sahara Desert with a juice 281 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: canon a string and I'm very kind. We've done it. Um, 282 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: maybe not the desert, but we've had a few instances 283 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: where oh boy, we're thirty seconds to air and we've 284 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: lost signals. And he's you've never heard of drop in 285 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: all the years Tom's running the gig. So let me 286 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: tell you something. Here's a guy who knows what he's doing, 287 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: and he's going for training all the time. It's it's 288 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: just got to be part of the vernacular. It's got 289 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: to be part of the landscape. Let's kick the garage 290 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: doors open and go to Larry Eureka, California and uh 291 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: to MASDA with a stalling problem. It cuts out, Larry, 292 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, How can I help? Well? Yeah, so, um, 293 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: I was driving down the highway, no check engine light, 294 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: cruising along at sixty hour and the car stalls. Um, 295 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: just like it, you know, it lost complete power. So 296 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: I pulled off the road. UM, tried to start the car. 297 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: It turned over. Um, all the accessories worked, headlights, you 298 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: know all that stuff. Radio where it's all that. So 299 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I sat there for about ten minutes trying to start 300 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: the car again, and it started right up as it 301 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: done it since it has. So on the drive back 302 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: to town, UH, cruising along and installed and the check 303 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: engine lights started the flash this time and the flash 304 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: for about ten miles. Who in the car quit? Same thing. 305 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: I waited about two three minutes, tried to start, the 306 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: car wouldn't start. Tried to get in a couple of minutes, 307 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: started right up, UM, check in your white stayed on. 308 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: Took it to mechanic and they ran some codes and 309 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: said it had to do with the crank shaft or 310 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: cam shaft indicator or something, crank chaft, crankshaft position sensor 311 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: is something like that. It didn't give me the number, 312 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: and they said, let me let me let me just 313 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: comment on that. Larry, First of all, did you pay 314 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: for this diagnosis? You didn't know this guy works on 315 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: this car and my other car is quite a bit 316 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: so okay, but but did you get any I guess 317 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is you got what 318 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: you paid for? Yeah, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't 319 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: pay for any information, and you didn't get any information. Uh, 320 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: you know. And it's always you know. And that's another 321 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: thing that I'm going to start to talk about more 322 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: here on the show. We've got to teach mechanics till 323 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: to print, you know, to retrieve codes, print codes, print data. 324 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Hand it to the consumer. When I go to the doctor, Larry, 325 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: when you go to the doctor and they run test, 326 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: you get a copy of that test. You pay for it, right, 327 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: you asked for it. You're entitled to it. Why don't 328 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: we do that with mechanics. Why don't mechanics give consumers 329 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: printed reports as as a regular habit. Let the consumers 330 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: say the customers say, no, I'm not interested, I don't 331 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: want it, and I don't understand that. So it's got 332 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: a crank censor fault in it, or or a camp 333 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: censor fault in it. You're not necessarily sure and the 334 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: car is still acting up or were they able to 335 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: try and were they able to repair it? Did they 336 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: make a repair attempt or what did they do. No, 337 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: they didn't make a repair attempt. He said, take the 338 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: car and if it happens, to get and bring it 339 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: home or bring it back to them. So I took 340 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: it home and I drove it for a couple of days, 341 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: and I was and I headed back home, and I 342 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: was sitting in the garage listening to the radio. And 343 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: it quit. While I was sitting in the garage check 344 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: engent line. It just quit. So I waited about five 345 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: or ten minutes and it started up, just like it 346 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: always does. And I took it back to him the 347 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: next day and they still had it all right. I'll 348 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: tell you what, Larry, Sit tight, don't go anywhere. Let 349 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: me pull over and take this pause. When we come back, 350 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what I have believed their next 351 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: steps should be, and maybe you can kind of coach 352 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: them along. Painting the Card Doctor eight zero zero coming 353 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: back right after this. Hey, welcome back Na the Card 354 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: Doctor nine zero podcasting at car Doctor show dot com. 355 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: Tune in, I heart and don't forget to subscribe over 356 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: and let's take the Car Doctor out on the road. 357 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: Back on the line. Larry from Eureka California. You're still there, sir. 358 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about Larry's oh two months of six to 359 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: six it stalls. Uh, it seems after ten minutes of 360 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: driving or ten minutes of idoling, whatever the case might be, 361 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: or it might take ten minutes for two to wake up. 362 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: But it's a it's becoming a repeatable failure, correct, Larry, Yes, yes, 363 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: yes it is. And it's coming closer and closer together, right, 364 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: So so whatever it is, it's getting worse, it's getting uglier. 365 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things I would do 366 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: at this point is I would I would, and it 367 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a high tech scope, but here's 368 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: the case where I would put it. I would get 369 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: out of a lamp scope and start to look at 370 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: the signal that the cam or crank or both censors, 371 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: if that's the fault code they're getting is producing. Now, 372 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, electronic signals don't necessarily have to get to 373 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: the point of being where the car vehicle stoles before 374 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: you can pick it out his bed. A lot of 375 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: times we'll look up a scope on a suspect component 376 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: and we'll see it start to degrade its signal or 377 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: start to degrade its pattern. And then eventually it affects 378 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: the way the car runs, but not right away. And 379 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: my point is hooking up a scope might be able 380 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: to tell you within ten minutes time that this vehicle 381 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: yet it needs a crank center, it needs a camp censor. 382 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: Here's the area to go. All right, I had I 383 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: had a timing bell replaced that last August Um with 384 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: nine thousand miles. That was about five thousand miles ago. 385 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: But the cars are running fine. Okay, Well, and I 386 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: don't think I don't necessarily think that has anything to 387 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: do with it. But but here's here's the key piece 388 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: of information. Okay, and this is what I really want 389 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: to stress. Let's say it's a crank sensor code that 390 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: they've gotten out of this vehicle, all right, The biggest 391 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: mistake they can make, all right, is to just put 392 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: a crank sensor in it. Because one of the nice 393 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: things about testing that component, about hooking the scope up 394 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: to that crank censor or camp sensor, whatever the case 395 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: might be, will be to see when the car stalls, Hey, 396 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: what what the what the centor do look at that 397 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: it's a square wave and all of a sudden, you know, 398 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: thirty seconds before its stalled, the censer started to get 399 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: round in the corners, and then it went flat line 400 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: where it changed its amplific amplitude or it just changed 401 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: the signal went south. Guess what, it's a crank center 402 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a power supply or something like that. 403 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: At least when we're on the right component. If if 404 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: the moment before that vehicle shut off, that signal out 405 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: of the cry censor was nice, clean and crisp, why 406 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: are you gonna put a crank sensor in it? What's 407 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: the point? And and and you know that's the kind 408 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: of things I'm hoping your mechanic comes back to you 409 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: and says, well, you know, Larry, we did this, we 410 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: did this, we did this. Um. You know, one of 411 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: the other things to be concerned with on this particular 412 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: vehicle is and I just want to add this, you know, 413 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: in terms of crank censor, and then we're gonna move on. Um. 414 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: If they get past CAM and cranking, it's not that. 415 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: What I have also seen on this particular generation. This 416 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: is the step child forward. The males does is take 417 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: a look at PCM, take a look at the power 418 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: train control module, the actual computer itself, and you know, 419 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: they want to verify power and grounds, and then they 420 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: want to possibly consider doing some testing or smacking around 421 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever they can do to abuse that 422 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: electronic electronic module, the power train control module. Does that 423 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: get the vehicle shut off all right? You know? Do 424 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: they go in with a scan tool? And you know, 425 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: I love it when they say, well, I've got no codes, 426 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with the car. Do they go in 427 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: with a scan tool and look at some of the pits, 428 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: look at some of the pieces of data. Did they reset? 429 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: Did fuel trim come back to zero automatically? Didn't anything? 430 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: And adaptive memory come back to zero showing that the 431 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: computer thought it lost power as if the battery was disconnected, 432 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: but it was not all right. And that tells us 433 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: that either the computer did lose power and ground or 434 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: the computer itself suffered an internal failure and it kind 435 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: of did a reboot, if you want to think of 436 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: it like that. So those are the areas I would 437 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: be paying attention to. It wouldn't hurt if it's if 438 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: it's five minutes of hook a fuel pressure gage up 439 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: to this car, hook it up, absolutely positively, at least 440 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: they'll know what fuel pressure is doing. It's a two 441 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: thousand two. It's got at least a hundred thousand miles 442 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: on it. It's no spring Chicken. You're you're, you're out 443 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: in California. It's a hot environment, all right. It's it's 444 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: it's tough on fuel system components as as the rest 445 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. And it's it's five minutes if it's 446 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: two hours. No, I don't a couple of fuel pressure gage. 447 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: I don't think that's where the problem is. But at 448 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: least you know having I had. I had a fuel 449 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: pump failure back in two thousand eleven, and I had 450 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: it replaced with a you know, a part that was manufactured. 451 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the manufacturer around the air, 452 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: but it's a company whose name is similar to a 453 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: region out here in California that produces wine. And I've 454 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: had a couple of others that manufacturer's components put on 455 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: my car and they've failed. So I I've always suspected 456 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: that the fuel pump or the fuel filter is the 457 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: issue with this car, but I don't know. Well, you 458 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: know what, here's a great way to find out if 459 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 1: you know, or is it possibly related? Codes don't fix cars, 460 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: all right, codes don't define what's wrong with cars. Codes 461 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: give us an area or an indicator. Here, I am 462 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: back to that word again. It is it is. It 463 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: is an indication or an indicator of where the problem 464 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: might be, not necessarily what the problem was. You know, 465 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: if the cars were that smart, there would there would 466 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: be even more trouble codes. You know. It would be 467 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: P zero three one point to five seven crank sensor 468 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: lost signal on the downward slope on the fall when 469 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: it rose up over an extended time period after ten minutes. 470 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: That would be the first code, okay, and it would 471 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: just go on from there. So you know, it's necessarily 472 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: have to have the scope uh at attached to the 473 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: car when the failure occurred. Not necessarily all right, you 474 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: know again looking at Oh, I'm trying to think of 475 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: an example. You ever go to the doctor for a 476 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: heart problem, Larry, And I hope not, but maybe you 477 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: know somebody that didn't. What's the first what's the first 478 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: thing they do? You walk into an emergency room. Here, 479 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you walk into an emergency room. I've got a pain 480 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: in my chest. What is the first thing they do? 481 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: They hook you up to a heart monitor? Right? And 482 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: how many times have they hooked somebody up to a 483 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: heart monitor. Larry, there's nothing wrong with your heart. It's solid, okay, 484 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: Or Larry, we see something fuzzy. Even though the pain 485 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: went away, Larry's like, hey, you know, I feel better. 486 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: I'm going home. Sit right down, Larry. You know what, 487 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: there's something going on with your heart. We see it 488 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: in the pattern, same idea different model, all right. How 489 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: many times I've hooked up to a crank sensor, a 490 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: CAM sensor, a throttle position sensor, a mass airflow signal, 491 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: and I'll start to see it get ragged and fuzzy. 492 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: I got a fault code for a bank to O 493 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: two censor heat or circuit. But I've got a I've 494 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: got a sensor in an entirely different area of the 495 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: car because using the brain God gave me, I deduced it. No, 496 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: the problem is here, not here, all right, And and 497 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: that's that's my point. So the vehicles in for a diagnosis. Frankly, 498 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: you should be getting charged for a diagnosis, all right. 499 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: If they don't charge you for the diagnosis, Larry, they're 500 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 1: doing you a deserve us, right, because they're not spending 501 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: the time needed to fix the car. Because they've got 502 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: to eat too. The bank's got to get paid, the 503 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: bills have to get paid, the employees have to get paid, 504 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: and so on. But every diagnosis should cause something, it 505 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: has value. Otherwise it's worthless. You get what you paid for. 506 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: And um, at that point they can afford to hook 507 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: up the scope and look at the signals that they're 508 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: supposed to look at. All right, sir, all right, you 509 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: you know what happens. You're very welcome. You take good care. Zero. 510 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: By the way, I almost forgot. Are we doing a 511 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: giveaway this week? Tom? We're doing a giveaway. I believe 512 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: we are. And it's not me. It's not well, I 513 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: think he gave away Tony. Tony's not here today. I 514 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: noticed that mother called. Yeah, Tony's in trouble. Tony had 515 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: to go see mom. Uh, Tony had to go see mommy. Um, yeah, 516 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: but I think she's just coming up for a surprise visit. 517 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: That's the worst kind. Yeah, well that's you know, it depends. 518 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: This week, we're giving away a from dash pack, a 519 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: super tip's all new in care performance tuner and monitor combination. Um. 520 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: We were talking about this last week and we're actually 521 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: gonna give it away. This week, either this hour or next. 522 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is sort of like it's kind of 523 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: like having that neighborhood kid that could, you know, tune. 524 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna date myself the carburetor, remember a million years ago? Carburetors? 525 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god? What's that? The mixing valve? But you 526 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: can actually tune the performance of the vehicle from in 527 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: the cab. It's very cool. Yeah, it's it's really cool. 528 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: So you can you can make your modifications while you're driving. 529 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: You can also monitor engine vitals. You can look at 530 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: specific um you know, temperature and things like that. You 531 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: can look at specific specific Tom, I can't talk today? 532 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: Can you tune up my mouth? Does this mean I 533 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: have to take it off my car because I installed 534 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: it before the show? Oh? Is that weird? Is? I 535 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: was wondering what happened? It does work? It does work. 536 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: It works. They work really well. We're gonna be giving 537 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: away one of those from from the folks at supertip, 538 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: So that's coming up either this hour or next. Right now, 539 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: let's pull overtake the pause zero nine zero. We're back 540 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: right after this. Hey, welcome back car card ocerate five 541 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero the Car 542 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: Doctor phone number. Give us a call. If we're not 543 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: on the air. If you're a podcaster or you're streaming, 544 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: you're doing it another way, and um we're not on 545 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: the air, just call eight five zero nine zero, leave 546 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: a message and Tom Ray our producer, Well, actually Tom 547 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Ray our producer, board operator, chief engineer, head cook and 548 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: bottle washer and floor sweeper. Today we'll call you back 549 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: and get you in the queue for the following week's show. 550 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: As we continue to sally forth and repair all of 551 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: America's broken cars, let's get over and talk to Dave 552 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: and IOWA return call to thousand Monte Carlo and some 553 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: follow up information and I understand a few more questions. Dave, 554 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Car Doctor. Sir, how are you hey? 555 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Ron, I really appreciate you. One 556 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: of the greatest guys on the radio. Come on, man, 557 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm just just trying to fix cars, baby. Uh you 558 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: know that Monte Carlo. I went over to you his 559 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: shot up, and I waited until Sunday when he was closed, 560 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to have a confrontation with him 561 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: coming out there. Say you know, anyway, I took my 562 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: friend over there we had. We looked at up on 563 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: the computer and we tried to start it up, and 564 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that when we looked under the engine 565 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: he had had but fuel wine uh rusted or broken 566 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: the little sheil of the gasket that goes around there 567 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: and fling on top of the motor. Okay, and uh 568 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: then UH tried to start, but then it put So 569 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: we looked at up and found out we took several 570 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: readings off of it, and uh we found that there 571 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: was a malfunction in the ignition controlled module. Okay. So 572 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: when I was passing that car when this happened, you know, 573 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I heard it pop. It It sounds like you know 574 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: call we do when it when it was not fired right, 575 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, backfired. Yeah, and the module didn't know what 576 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: to do because I stepped on the gas and I 577 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: told him, I said, well, Mardle wasn't smart enough to 578 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: realize that, uh, there's extra fuel in there. And it's 579 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: just like what reasons we are we having gas was 580 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: gonna shut down, see to keep from pring to fire. 581 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: The probably take either either that or did the module 582 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: get the wrong information from maybe the crank sensor, let's say, 583 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: and it just skipped the beat and it fired the 584 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: module at the wrong moment or is the wiring harness 585 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: rubbed through somewhere and it created a short and pulled 586 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: the signal down low and created a misfire too. But yeah, 587 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: I get your point. I mean, but there's a lot 588 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: of things that can affect that module, um, you know, 589 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: to cause it to do that. Where does it stand now? Well, 590 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: I hadn't be done it yet. I've got to go 591 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: through that process again with him. Okay, we've just been 592 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: there for a second. We wanted to see roughly went 593 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: out when MUX was less up, you know, So it's 594 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna go back over there as far to 595 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: have behind us. There's a job. So we're gonna go 596 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: back out there and go back through it and uh 597 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: try to do it a little more testing on and 598 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: the bard miles were off, I mean when he had 599 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: it torn down and just left it back there and 600 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: you know, like a mess. So we're gonna try to 601 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: reassemble it. It did start and it ran for a 602 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: little bit and it quit. But I did check the fuel, 603 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: uh you know, like you told me to do. The 604 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: pump is working, you know. So we got back and 605 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: listened to that and uh, and it's getting gas. But 606 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: it just runs for a few minutes and kind of 607 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: misses a lot, okay, and then it just closed, it 608 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: shuts down. You know, once you once you stabilize this 609 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: day that you know that you know, the vital signs 610 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: are all there. One last thing. I don't know if 611 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: I mentioned this in our last call, but with it 612 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: in park, if you're in, if you're in a spot 613 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: where you can do this, you know by now most 614 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: of the motor mounts in that car are kind of soft. 615 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: It's a two thousand, it's you know, it's seventeen years old. Dude. Um. 616 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: You know, you wonder if you sat there in park 617 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: and I've done this on this particular generation GM, where 618 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: you'll just sort of gently rock the car back and 619 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: forth while it's running, and the engine will start to 620 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: rock back and forth, and that that sort of duplicates 621 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: and replicates driving down the road and you know, accelerating 622 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: on and off the gas, turning the wheel twist in 623 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: the car, Um, watch the wiring harnesses. Does the car 624 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: start to miss and buck while you're you know, rocking 625 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: the vehicle back and forth, not violently, but you know, 626 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: get the engine to move on its mounts. Does that 627 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: get the motor? Does that get the motor to miss 628 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: and buck and start, you know, chuckle and stall and um. 629 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: If it does, then maybe you've got a wiring harness 630 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: issue as well. But here's a here's another case where 631 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: absolutely positively, not just counting on a scan tool, I'd 632 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: have a lamp scull hooked up to this car, paying 633 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: particular attention to the seven time crank chef position censer 634 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: and the way they rubbed through um in different places. 635 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Follow the harness up to the module and see what 636 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: that looks like. Keep going, Dave, call me back next week, 637 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: let me know where we stand, and we'll pick it 638 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: up from there. Zero nine zero zero The car doctors 639 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: coming back right after this book back un the end. 640 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: The car doctor here. Let's real quick. Let's go over 641 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and talk to Sean in Wisconsin explore. Sean, Welcome to 642 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: the car doctor, sir. I got about two minutes. How 643 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: can I help? Oh yay, I got a nine nine 644 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: Amagan Brief Explorer. It had a miss when it started 645 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: up cold, it run for a little bit rough idol 646 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: and then it clean up run fine. When it once 647 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: it got hot. Now the miss is more consistent. No 648 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: check engine light. I replaced the plug, plug wires, coil 649 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: still has a miss. It's getting more significant. It seems 650 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: to be a number three cylinder. And that's where I'm at, right, 651 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: So you know a miss on number three? Is this 652 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: a high rpm? Miss? It's underload? Miss, It's it's only underload. 653 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: Is it consistent? Can you can you dupe? Kidd uh? Yeah? Okay, 654 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: So you know if if if I take it out 655 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: on the road and put my foot into the headlight, 656 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to experience it. Yeah, pretty much. It's like 657 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: a mildload. You know, when you're when you're cruising down 658 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: the road and you're just accelerating a little bit. If 659 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: you put your foot in it, it kind of cleans up. 660 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: You don't know what to say. It's much, but it's 661 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: like when you're cruising you can feel it kind of 662 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: surge in a little bit. It's there. I'll tell you what, Sewan, 663 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: the clock is gonna take me state put. We don't 664 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: do this a lot, so it's also a way to 665 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: say this. We'll finish up with well, finish up with 666 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: Sean after the news at the top of the hour. 667 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: And most of these car doctor affiliates, because there's another 668 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: hour of car doctor at the company thinks Seawan, did 669 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: that sound good? That'll work right, So anyway, I'm running 670 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: Inny in the car doctor, reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, 671 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: they're priceless.