Speaker 1: All Right podcast pioneer paranormal podcast pioneer Jim Harold is
Speaker 1: with us the paranormal podcast in Jim Harold's Campfire Twenty
Speaker 1: years later and sixty five million downloads later, and he
Speaker 1: is out now with the sixth volume of true ghost Stories,
Speaker 1: Jim Harold's Campfire again, Volume six. These are perennial best sellers.
Speaker 1: Who is the mysterious missus Raspberry?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I love telling people about her? This is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite stories in this book. Jennifer from
Speaker 2: Idaho told the story, and she took us back to
Speaker 2: the early nineteen eighties. Now, she was a young girl,
Speaker 2: probably eight or nine years old, and her and her
Speaker 2: friend Connie loved to go on adventures. So this particular day,
Speaker 2: and this was back in the day before cell phones
Speaker 2: where kids kind of said goodbye to mom and then
Speaker 2: said hello again at dinner time. So her and her
Speaker 2: friend Connie decided to walk down some decommissioned railroad tracks
Speaker 2: about a block from their house, and they were going
Speaker 2: to go all the way down to the local lake
Speaker 2: about four miles away. And there was one track, Richard,
Speaker 2: very important to remember, one track in and one track out,
Speaker 2: no other roots. So anyway, they started walking and bout
Speaker 2: a mile from her house, Jennifer's house, there was this
Speaker 2: densely forested area, but then it went into a clearing.
Speaker 2: And in this clearing there were a couple of houses there,
Speaker 2: and there was a big raspberry thicket by one of
Speaker 2: these houses, and there was a lady there hanging her
Speaker 2: laundry up on the line. She was a little bit
Speaker 2: older lady, and back in the day, older ladies sometimes
Speaker 2: wore house dresses, and this woman was wearing a house
Speaker 2: dress and she was putting up her laundry and the
Speaker 2: girl stopped and talked to her, and she was very,
Speaker 2: very nice, this lady, and she offered the children some raspberries.
Speaker 2: Would you like to have some raspberries? So the girls
Speaker 2: went to the raspberry bush and picked them, and they
Speaker 2: kind of held out their shirts and used them as
Speaker 2: a basket. And Jennifer remembers this because they got stains
Speaker 2: on the shirts, and you know, their mom probably their
Speaker 2: moms probably wouldn't be too happy about that. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so they talked to the lady a little more, enjoyed
Speaker 2: their raspberries, and they went about their way. They went
Speaker 2: to the lake. They had a fun day. And then
Speaker 2: they walked back on his track, one way out, one
Speaker 2: way in, and they got to the place where this
Speaker 2: house should have been, and where these raspberry bushes should
Speaker 2: have been, and where the lady with the laundry should
Speaker 2: have been. But there was nothing there, nothing whatsoever. So anyway, Jennifer,
Speaker 2: being an inquisitive little girl, she goes home and she
Speaker 2: tells her family what happened. Her grandma's there, and she asked, Grandma,
Speaker 2: you know, I went to this place, you know, about
Speaker 2: a mile away and there was field and clearing and
Speaker 2: there were these houses and this lady and told her
Speaker 2: what happened. She said, are there houses there? Did we
Speaker 2: miss them? She said, yeah, there were houses there. There
Speaker 2: were houses there back in the nineteen twenties before the
Speaker 2: railroad came in. Wow. So now the thing that was
Speaker 2: really cool about this, Richard, A thing I love about
Speaker 2: this is Jennifer before she came on Campfire, the Campfire podcast,
Speaker 2: she wanted to make sure that she got this right.
Speaker 2: So she stayed in touch with her friend Connie over
Speaker 2: the years, and she called her up and she said, Connie,
Speaker 2: am I imagining this? Is this something I saw on TV?
Speaker 2: Am I getting this right, and Connie said, you're getting
Speaker 2: it absolutely right. Everything you said happened really happened. And
Speaker 2: in this case, Richard, this is one of those classic cases.
Speaker 2: I think there are two explanations. One explanation, which I
Speaker 2: do not believe. I do not believe, is that Jennifer
Speaker 2: was making it up.
Speaker 1: And then second sounds credible. She's got corroborating evidence, she's
Speaker 1: got corroborating witness, rather a corroborating witness exactly.
Speaker 2: So the second explanation is she experienced something. We might
Speaker 2: call it paranormal, we might call it supernatural, we might
Speaker 2: call it the science of the twenty fourth century. But
Speaker 2: she experienced something that was real. And really think about it, Richard,
Speaker 2: what did she have to gain by calling into my
Speaker 2: show and sharing this story.
Speaker 1: Nothing exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So I love those kind of stories, and they kind
Speaker 2: of fall in between the cracks. They're not just they're
Speaker 2: not ghost stories, but they are ghost stories. I love
Speaker 2: those kind of stories me too.
Speaker 1: It sounds like maybe a time slip.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of
Speaker 2: or what I think that was. This was actually, although
Speaker 2: there have been others, this was the one I was
Speaker 2: referring to when we're first talking. Is that you know,
Speaker 2: that's not a traditional I mean some people might call
Speaker 2: it a ghost, but it's not a traditional ghost. You
Speaker 2: had the houses appear, You've had you know, an interaction.
Speaker 2: You know, you're talking to the person back and forth.
Speaker 2: It wasn't this kind of quick flash. And they were
Speaker 2: in another environment. They were in I call her Missus Raspberry.
Speaker 2: They were in Missus Raspberry's environment. They had in essence,
Speaker 2: kind of time travel. It sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: I remember, very very early on in my broadcast career
Speaker 1: and I was doing a late night calling show and
Speaker 1: a woman she might have been in her seventies, and
Speaker 1: she told me a story about traveling to England and
Speaker 1: with a friend and they were touring around. They'd never
Speaker 1: been to England before, and I'm not sure whether they
Speaker 1: were I think in New Yorkshire school or something like this.
Speaker 1: And they they arrived late and they found well, now
Speaker 1: we would call them an airbnb, I guess bed and breakfast.
Speaker 1: They found a bed and breakfast and they stayed with
Speaker 1: this elderly couple in this beautiful old house. I think
Speaker 1: she described it as kind of a tutor style old
Speaker 1: home and they stayed there and had dinner, and they
Speaker 1: slept there overnight, and they got up in the morning
Speaker 1: and they had breakfast, and then off they went on
Speaker 1: with their day. And then they intended to come back
Speaker 1: to stay an extra night. They came back and no house.
Speaker 1: I mean they had they were sure they had their
Speaker 1: great location. There was no house in that neighborhood. And
Speaker 1: you know, no sign of these elderly people that had
Speaker 1: been so welcoming, same type of thing. I mean, you
Speaker 1: hear this, people experience this. There's something new it.
Speaker 2: Yes, there is. There's one other one if I have
Speaker 2: time to tell real quick. This one's not in this book,
Speaker 2: but will be in a future one. Basically, this woman
Speaker 2: and probably again in the eighties, got stuck on the road.
Speaker 2: She was attending college classes about hour from her home.
Speaker 2: It was up in New England, so very cold, winter dark,
Speaker 2: so she wasn't going to just sit in her car
Speaker 2: and free. She started to walk down from the freeway
Speaker 2: and she saw over the embankment. Down below the parallel
Speaker 2: kind of two lane road or whatever, there was a
Speaker 2: service station, a gas station, a garage. She said, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm saved. I can get them to come help. The car,
Speaker 2: so she goes in. At first, the guy's like, hey,
Speaker 2: it's almost closing time, but except maybe the owner can
Speaker 2: help you. And then all of a sudden, the owner,
Speaker 2: older man, just kind of appeared from nowhere. Guy was
Speaker 2: super nice, went up to her car, said I can't
Speaker 2: fix it now, but I can tow it someplace. He
Speaker 2: tows the car all the way, like twenty miles away
Speaker 2: for her. He barely wants to take payment as she does,
Speaker 2: but he does, but he's not like even clamoring for it.
Speaker 2: Charged her a very low price and kind of saved
Speaker 2: her because you know, no cell phones, right, and it's
Speaker 2: cold and it's dark and you know. So Anyway, the
Speaker 2: next couple days later, she's traveling to town with her
Speaker 2: family and she said, oh, let's pass by here. I
Speaker 2: want you to see this place. This was the nicest
Speaker 2: man ever. He helped me. He towed my car all
Speaker 2: these great things. They go past the station Richard and
Speaker 2: it looks like it's been deserted for ten years. I mean,
Speaker 2: it has that look of something that's been abandoned for
Speaker 2: ten years. And she's like, I was just here the
Speaker 2: other day and I talked to the guy and he
Speaker 2: helped me. And this place was definitely occupied. It was there,
Speaker 2: but it was completely abandoned, like it hadn't been used
Speaker 2: for at least ten years. And again, same scenario. No
Speaker 2: reason to make things up. And I believe this happens.
Speaker 2: Is it a glitch in the matrix? As they say? Maybe,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but there it is.
Speaker 1: Is that an example of what you call a crisis apparition?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you know, this is a really interesting one.
Speaker 2: We haven't gotten a lot of stories about this, but
Speaker 2: this was a fascinating one. This came to us from
Speaker 2: a caller in Colorado. And no, excuse me, this came
Speaker 2: to us. It involved Colorado, I should say, and it is.
Speaker 2: Her name is Christine. I'm just double checking. Yeah, Christine
Speaker 2: from Colorado actually, And she was at home and her
Speaker 2: father was a mountain climber. He liked to go out
Speaker 2: and climb mountains. So basically he was on a climb
Speaker 2: and she was in her bedroom, I guess hundreds of
Speaker 2: miles away. And her father at this particular time was
Speaker 2: on a very strenuous climb and this particular night, while
Speaker 2: he was up in the mountains having a very kind
Speaker 2: of tough go of it. Christina woke in her bedroom
Speaker 2: and she was utterly astonished because she saw her father
Speaker 2: standing in her bedroom, and she knew he was hundreds
Speaker 2: of miles away. I don't know that she knew he
Speaker 2: was particularly on the climate at this time, but she knew,
Speaker 2: you know, my dad's not here, but yet he's here
Speaker 2: in my bedroom. And her father tells her in the bedroom,
Speaker 2: says I love you, and he looked just as clear
Speaker 2: as if he had just walked in the room and
Speaker 2: said this to her. Then he disappeared. Now she pondered it,
Speaker 2: and she was exhausted, so she went back to sleep.
Speaker 2: So okay, her father tells her that he loves her
Speaker 2: out of nowhere, you know, and he's not there. He's
Speaker 2: hundreds of miles away. That particular night, when he was
Speaker 2: descending the mountain peak at the same time this happened,
Speaker 2: he had a very similar experience, but from his perspective,
Speaker 2: and he explained that he had descended the mountain peak
Speaker 2: and his canteen was almost empty. He had stopped eating
Speaker 2: to minimize the need for water. Is a very hot
Speaker 2: day but a very cold night, and at this point
Speaker 2: he was feeling ill because he was in the initial
Speaker 2: stages of dehydration. He looked for water and found a
Speaker 2: mountain dream full of icy cold water, and he drank
Speaker 2: a lot of it, but this made him colder, and
Speaker 2: he had carried no sleeping bag or tent with him
Speaker 2: to lighten the load. All he had was a little
Speaker 2: plastic sheet that he could sleep in. He started experiencing
Speaker 2: symptoms of hypothermia, and he hadn't consumed any food, He
Speaker 2: wasn't generating any body heating. He was extremely fatigued, his
Speaker 2: temperature was dropping, and he believed in retrospect he was
Speaker 2: in danger of dying. So anyway, this particular time, he
Speaker 2: woke up, he's sleeping, he's trying to rest. He wakes
Speaker 2: up and he feels like he's in his daughter's bedroom,
Speaker 2: Christine's bedroom, looking down upon her. She was sleeping, and
Speaker 2: he remembers in this quote dream telling her that he
Speaker 2: loved her. And then he woke up and was on
Speaker 2: the ground in the forest, and he just thought it
Speaker 2: was an extremely vivid dream. In the morning, he was
Speaker 2: able to recoup his strength and he was able to
Speaker 2: scale down the mountain, and he did make it. Luckily.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it could have gone ever either way,
Speaker 2: and I just think it's really fascinating. She had the
Speaker 2: experience of him appearing in the bedroom, and then he
Speaker 2: had the experience of quote dreaming about it. And it
Speaker 2: actually reminds me something I think you've done shows on
Speaker 2: this specifically, Richard, the third man syndrome. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: people are in danger they see another person and it's
Speaker 2: not exactly the same thing. But I thought about the
Speaker 2: parallels of climbing a mountain and so forth that you
Speaker 2: hear with that phenomena. But the thing is is that
Speaker 2: we hear this like doctor Raymond Moody, who I know
Speaker 2: you've talked to I've gotten a chance to talk to
Speaker 2: a few times. He talks about the time of death.
Speaker 2: There's co location, right, somebody can show up to multiple
Speaker 2: people across the country, right across the continent, you know,
Speaker 2: regardless of where they're at, there's this co location. And
Speaker 2: I wonder if this gentleman was close to death, it
Speaker 2: could have gone either way, and he experienced this co location.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what you call that. Is that
Speaker 2: a ghost? Is that? I guess it's a crisis apparation.
Speaker 1: Right, crisis apparition. I think Moody coined the term share
Speaker 1: death experience. Oh yeah. And then there's as you say,
Speaker 1: that third man syndrome, that weird phenomenon where extreme mountain
Speaker 1: climbers will experience this presence that has helped them during
Speaker 1: you know, challenging times. I think even Ernest Ernest Shackleton,
Speaker 1: who was you know, explored the Antarctic, talked about many
Speaker 1: times when they were you know, near death. This there
Speaker 1: were three I think in this expedition, and they all
Speaker 1: reported the presence of a fourth person in the crew
Speaker 1: that wasn't there, helping them, you know, to to survive
Speaker 1: and get through everything.