WEBVTT - Hydroxychloroquine Should Not Be Political 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:14.840 You are entering the freedom hunt. Twenty states are ready 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.600 to reopen. Does hydroxy chloroquan work? A new study out 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.319 the cast, some doubts will get in the latest with that, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.360 plus a mother arrested for letting her kids play in 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.360 a park, The un is warning that famines are coming 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.440 around the globe, what to do about the second wave 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.000 of infection that could happen? And the war in election safeguards? 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.479 Guess who's waging it? The left? That and more coming up. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.360 This is the Buck Sexton Show, where the mission or 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.560 mission is to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.280 Make no mistake America. Here a great American again, The 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:57.840 Buck Sexton Show begins. Analyst, he's a great guy. Now, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.200 twenty states, representing forty percent of the US population, have 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.560 announced it. They are making plans and preparations to safely 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.759 restart their economies in the very near future. So that's 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.559 twenty states. It's about forty percent of our country. They're 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.480 moving along pretty quickly. Three announced today, as you know, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.679 and they're going to be doing it safely. They're going 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:28.080 to be doing it with tremendous passion. They want to 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.440 get back to work. The country wants to get back 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.320 to work. Welcome to the buck Sex and show everyone 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.440 the President expressing the sentiment that so many of us 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.160 have that we do want the country to get back 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.320 to work. We all want to be able to get 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.240 back to work. They're varying degrees we're able to continue 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.680 or not, but we need America to be doing what 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.280 we need to do. Once again, we have given weeks 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.600 and weeks of our lives to this lockdown effort, a 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:02.600 lockdown effort that still has i would say questionable, questionable 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.800 data to support that the full lockdown was necessary. I'm 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.760 not gonna say it was wrong. I'm just saying it's 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.080 questionable and in some places, and if you look at 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.640 it state by state, you see one part of the 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.120 issue is that if you take it all as a 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.720 national lockdown, yes or no, well, then you're gonna you're 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.320 gonna edge closer toward well, I guess we have to 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.520 be more cautious and go to the national lockdown. If 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.200 you do the state by state, there are some states 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.200 that quite clearly did not need to have a cessation 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.119 of business like other states did. There's that's just at 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.320 this point, I don't know how you can justify telling 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.320 tens of millions of people in certain states that because 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.799 there are there have been a few thousand infections that 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.799 are established, and we got to talk more about the 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:50.160 urology testing situation today. But a few thousand tests or 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.679 five thousand, ten thousand, you're going to shut down all 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:57.480 business and social social distancing. The mitigation measures that are 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.720 in place, they seem to be they seem to be working, 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.320 so that's been positive. But we can continue those. We 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:08.080 can continue those even as we try to engage in 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.080 more normal lives. You know, the debate here is still 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.160 not go back to full on normal. No one thinks 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:14.680 that we're gonna be able to flip the switch and 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.480 everything's going to be the way that it was before 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.480 all of this happened. But we're never going to get 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.440 there if we wait for the risk to be zero. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.040 And I think that's the change in consciousness that's happened 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.000 at this point. I think that's where people have finally 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:32.359 started to see a shift in their thinking. Some of 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.440 us have been worried about this all along. I mean, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:39.200 I've been concerned about this, trying to raise those concerns 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.840 here on the show, and I just also think that 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:48.680 the first person who yells across my at least six 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.360 foot air barrier of virus safety to put on a 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.800 mask or else they're going to call Mayor de Blasio's 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.360 snitch line. Even though I'd be walking entirely alone except 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.400 for talula, in open air on a generally empty street 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.520 in NYC. They are going to find me very disagreeable 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.320 to that little dictatorial impulse. They're going to find that 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.040 I do not like that and do not respond well 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.200 to it. And I know that there is now a 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.360 statewide order in effect, but some of these statewide orders 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:25.640 are of dubious constitutionality and legality. We have been accepting them, 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.640 but if we chose to challenge them, the state would 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.600 have a very hard time proving some of this is 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.920 in fact within its remit in court. But they're doing 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:42.280 it anyway. They're doing it anyway, and that's that's concerning you. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.599 For the past month. If you brought up any concerns 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.000 about creeping state tyranny as I have, you've been told 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.040 to shut up, you've been told you want Grandma to die, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.920 and you've been told to stay inside. Peasant Nancy Pelosi 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.920 has Jenny's ice Cream to eat in front of her 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:04.240 twenty five thousand dollar Viking fridge, well stocked by the servants. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:07.960 I would note Nancy Pelosi guarantees she has quote, they 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:12.000 don't call them servants anymore. They call them staff. I 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:14.200 did not grow up rich, but I grew up among, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.479 you know, in close proximity to the rich here in 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.080 New York City, and I know that some of the 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:24.080 proper terminology for the high falutin folks. It's not you 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.080 don't call them servants, you call them staff, even if 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.919 you make them wear one of those old time butler 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.559 or made uniforms. Trust me, Nancy Pelosi's got a bunch 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:37.159 of people maintaining the castle for her while she's telling 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.920 the rest of us to stay locked indoors. But for 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.400 the past month, if you brought any of this up, 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.799 that you were treated terribly. And now we have mothers 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.359 being dragged away in front of their children for the 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.800 crime of getting fresh air in a playground and jogging 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.559 on a beach is treated like a public menace. Many 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.680 of us have been warning all along ye about just 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.680 what is going to happen the moment the government has 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.920 too much power, the moment that we start to say, 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.360 the Bill of Rights no longer counts. You can tell 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.160 us whether we have freedom of assembly, You can tell 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.080 us whether we are freedom of speech, what we're allowed 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:18.960 to say? This is very troubling, you know. One of 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.200 the areas of the digital era, of the digital revolution 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.760 in which we live, that I have always found to 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:29.560 be a remarkable step forward true progress. I feel like 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.960 progressives have ruined the word progress for many of us, 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.080 but it is still a good word, still got usage. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.960 But one area of true progress has been the notion 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.560 of the major social media platforms as free speech havens. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:44.920 Now we've all found out the hard way that's not 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:50.359 really true. But how not true is it? YouTube ceo 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:56.400 Susan producer Mark, how do we? I mean? This is 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.640 a Polish one. I don't know if you know Polish 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.839 better than me. Chickie sure, why not? Why do chickie, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.920 I'll go? Or why cheeky? That's a tough one anyway, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.640 the CEO of YouTube and pardon me, I should know 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.240 her name, but you know, we're doing a show here 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.320 and I didn't look this one up beforehand, so that's 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.880 on me. But ce CEO Susan will call her had 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.400 this to say, about what will be a remove now. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.560 We're all trying to find out more facts, have a conversation. 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.400 All big study on hydroxy chloroquins come out and people 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.320 are celebrating, Oh, more people are gonna die now because 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.120 we don't have a drug that can actually help keep 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.360 them alive. The journalists are all going see and they're 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.760 secretly going yeah, because they're blaming it on Trump like psychopaths. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.680 I actually reached out and sent the study too, and 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:46.320 I've had a conversation with an infectious disease specialist whom 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.240 I know quite well, and I have a whole bunch 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:53.200 of data from a professional analysis, I should say, from 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.320 a professional based on that data that I will share 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:56.560 with you today that you will not see from the 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.480 mainstream media. But YouTube supposed to be a place where 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.480 you can share your thoughts on matters of public policy. Right. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.880 This is Look, this is not hate speech. This is 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.400 not you know, threatening anybody or causing violence or instigation 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.040 of violence or anything like that. This is open public 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.920 discussion what should we do about the pandemic. YouTube CEO 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.160 Susan had this to say about what they'll pull down 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.840 from that site. Play too. But then we also talk 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.920 about removing information that is problematic. Of course, anything that 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:32.640 is medically unsubstantiated to people saying like take vitamin c 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.560 um you know, take tumoranic like those are all will 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.240 cure you. Those are the examples of things that would 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.440 be a violation of her policy. Anything that would go 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.480 against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.560 her policy. And so remove is another really important part 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:54.199 of our policy. Remove that's a that's a nice way 0:08:55.320 --> 0:09:01.560 of saying censorship. This is YouTube engaging in censorship on 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:08.640 behalf of the who the who, who what what archamedies. No, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:14.080 the World Health Organization, that's the same organization that we 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.720 know told the world in the middle of January, Oh, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.120 it turns out they didn't think there was any evidence 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.240 of human to human transmission of this virus that is 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:29.320 now largely shut down the world. The organization that has 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.240 been doing China's bidding and that has been praising China 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:37.360 in recent weeks for its response to this crisis. Yes, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:43.280 that organization. If you disagree with them, or if you 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:48.079 tell people to what take more vitamin C or what 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:53.520 goes against WHO recommendations, I would wonder or wearing a 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.200 mask if you said you need to wear a mask 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.920 a month ago, that would have been against the wa 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.600 H mandate, it seems. And if you now don't wear 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.040 a mask, you're against the man. And the mandate keeps changing. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.280 For those who actually understand history, the idea that consensus 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:16.440 around ideas of medicine and around science consensus matters is 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.440 is a very dangerous one. The facts matter, data matters. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:25.439 Consensus is often political. Consensus means nothing. If you're curious, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:33.120 you could go back and read about how there were outbreaks, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:40.079 outbreaks of cholera in Great Britain stretching into the middle 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.880 of the nineteenth century, and at that point in time, London, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.520 you know, you're talking about eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties, 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:51.760 London is really the intellectual and scientific center of the world. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.240 I mean, London was considered a more more sophisticated in 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.200 those regards than anywhere else, perhaps even including the United States, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.960 and the overwhelming majority of doctors in London would have 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.760 told you in the eighteen seventies and the eighteen eighties 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.040 that the reason you would have gotten cholera, which is 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:18.120 a very very dangerous bacteria that's water borne it actually 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.240 comes from human human waste. That's how it has transferred. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.160 So human waste gets into the water and it spreads 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.440 very very rapidly. In your fatality rate if you get 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.520 it within twenty four hours is about forty percent. So 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.160 it is a vicious disease and kills people very quickly. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.000 The theory was called the myasthma theory or miasmatic theory, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:42.240 and it was that there was a noxious form of 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.839 bad air that gave you cholera. Now you might say 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.720 about why are you bring this up, because that was 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:53.120 the expert consensus and the most advanced and sophisticated medical 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.720 community in the world at the time. Now that's not 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.480 to say that there's no such thing as signed. You know, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.680 if I if I have a bad needo strap throat, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.679 I'm antbiotics. Right, I'm not saying that that science is 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.040 in science. I'm merely saying that was their theory. They 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.560 didn't have proof, but they tried to bludgeon other people 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:16.080 with consensus, and consensus is not science. So for right 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.320 now to hear people say, oh, well, whatever the World 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.080 Health Organization says, does the World Health Organization get to 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.920 weigh in on whether the virus came from a lab 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.840 or came from the wet market in Wuhan. Are you 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.840 allowed to go against that? I want to know where 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.160 the censorship stops and starts with what the consensus on 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:38.560 these issues may be. We have petty totalitarianism rising in 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.600 states across the country where we just shouldn't see it. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.199 No one should be arresting a mom for wanting to 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.200 be out in the air with their child. It's just stupid. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.240 We all know that it's wrong, and we should expect 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.520 that any government official would know that. We're seeing that happen, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.680 and we're also seeing the shutdown of free and open 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.600 discourse about an area where the models have been wrong, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.640 the experts have been wrong. We did not see this coming. 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.760 They do not know how to treat this, They do 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.319 not know how to cure this. But they want everyone 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.360 to just shut up and stay inside. I think that's 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.800 a big problem, my friends. I think we need to 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.400 keep pushing for real answers. This does not mean we 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.079 have an excuse to be reckless and disregard facts in data. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.160 It means let's really look at the facts and data 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:21.920 and what people are going to just chime in with 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:26.640 all the experts said, the consensus is, prove it to me. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.439 Do not try to silence me by waiving a fancy 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.120 degree that someone else or some other group of people 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.880 have when they won't be the ones making the argument 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.760 about why I can't take a walk in a park 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:44.200 without a mask on my face. You're in the freedom mind. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:51.280 This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast. We will 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.679 continue to see mortality and death among our American citizens, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.000 particularly in the cities as they begin to move past peak, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.040 because death a lie, and so we really need to 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:07.000 continue to unite and really, really really support our healthcare 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.640 providers who are still on the front lines. They have 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.760 been on the front lines now for weeks and weeks 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.720 and weeks, and so no matter what city they have 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.080 been in, they have not seen the relief that we've 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.040 been able to talk about at the light at the 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.720 end of the tunnel because of the delay in hospitalizations 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:28.000 and deaths. To our healthcare providers, to our respiratory therapists, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.880 and to everyone in the labs, thank you for the 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.920 work that you're doing to protect Americans and give us 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.480 one of the lowest mortality rates in the entire world. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.800 A lot of important things out there and I wanted 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.360 to make sure that I also always balance out my 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:49.000 dispute is with the policy medical experts and the way 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.920 they're influencing national policy, dictating on the national policy outside 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.960 of their purview of expertise, and it is inherently therefore 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.720 both in economic and political matter, and that's a separate 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.120 issue from the doctor's nurses and everyone who who are 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.120 just trying to keep alive, our friends, families, relatives, everybody, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.920 everybody out there right now who's dealing with this. So 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.080 I always like to make sure that we establish that separation. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.280 You know, it is a brave thing to show up 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.120 every day now as a nurse, as a doctor, as 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.280 an EMT, and expose yourself to people who have high 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.760 high levels of this virus, a virus we still really 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.080 don't understand very well and have a lot that we 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.080 have to learn about. I will talk about that hydroxy 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.600 chloroquine study. I have some really worthwhile insights from a 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.200 true expert for you on that. But I also just 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.360 wanted to note that how often do you hear that 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.440 America has the lowest you know, the America having the 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.240 lowest fatality rate from everything that we can see so far, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:50.000 is largely we can't really establish a specific percentage, but 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.920 largely a function of those healthcare workers. I do not 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.280 think it is a function of our policy, because other 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:00.720 countries had lockdown policies too. I mean, he'll never really 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.160 be able to see true numbers on this, but I 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:07.200 would note that there are there are other other ways, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.680 other other factors that you'd have to look at here. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.960 But our doctors are doing really, really good work with 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.840 what they have. They have a very limited tool kit, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.640 which is tragic. You know, the ventilators. We've heard so 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.040 much about ventilators. Your chance of coming off a ventilator, 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.320 if you go on at least by all New York 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.440 State data and we've had the most cases, is one 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.440 in five. That's very it's disconcerting. Now one in five 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.680 isn't you know, isn't one percent? But it's obviously not 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:35.080 as high as we would want it to be. We 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.800 need more weapons, we need more tools for our first responders. Also, 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.400 I mentioned you the the myasthma theory actually comes from 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.080 the ancient Greek word for pollution, which I think is 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.160 just an interesting uh. You know, we have we have 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.680 these terms, these medical terms that we still use today. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.960 I've mentioned you before that influenza comes from Italian sailors 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.080 and I believe the fourteenth century talking about how they 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.600 thought that the disease was the influence the stars. That's 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.920 where influenza comes from. Okay, this is the term that 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:09.280 we still use to this day. Malaria is a term 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:14.760 from medieval Italian that means bad air, which people also 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.480 thought it was the it was the bad air that 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.240 made you sick. They didn't realize that it was a 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:23.119 parasite that was transmitted through the bite of an infected mosquito, 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.000 and that human beings were the were the you know, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.680 the hosts, and that the mosquitoes were the reservoir for this. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.840 So there's a lot that we still have to learn, 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.439 a lot that we have to get into this fight now. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.080 I want to spend a little bit of time on 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.960 because this has become so political, and I'm seeing already 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.600 liberals who are saying that hydroxy chloroquin because this one 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.600 study came out of France and like the studies, results 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.240 are not good for those who want a better weapon 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:50.840 against the disease, which I would think everybody would be 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.080 in favor of. But there's some people that can't get 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.399 out of their way on this one. But it's not 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.560 it's not a definitive and it's not as clear as 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.560 they say. And I've told you when there have been 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.720 encouraging results about hydroxy chloroquine that are anecdotal. Well, I'm 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.440 going to tell you about what aspects of this study 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:11.439 that we've seen are not definitive and do require more study, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:15.680 more scientific rigor. And it's too too soon to tell 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.000 is the real answer about hydroxy choricuin. But I want 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.520 to tell you why because I don't think a lot 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.840 of people are going to get this one right. Thanks 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.000 for listening to the bus sets and show podcasts. Remember 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.399 to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the iHeart Radio app, or 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:34.920 wherever you get your podcasts. You wanted to five quin. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.119 I'm wondering if if you're concerned this VA study showed 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.800 that actually more people died that used the drug that didn't. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.879 And I'm wondering if if the Governor Cuomo brought you 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.879 back any result. No, I'm discuss said, and I don't 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.240 know of the report. Obviously, there have been some very 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.199 good reports and perhaps this one's not a good report, 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.119 but we'll be looking at it. We'll have a comment 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.520 under there's some panel of experts at the NIH is 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:04.040 actually now recommending against the use of hydroxychlorical in combination 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.199 with zpac, which is something new. I'm always willing to 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:14.400 take a look. Okay, Notice how all along here we 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.119 have been told that this is somehow political, that the 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:26.920 President trying trying in some way to encourage people. Encourage 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:32.560 people by pointing out that there's some good information about 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:37.080 a drug that Remember, this is not drinking some random 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.800 substance in the hopes that's a miracle cure. This is 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.600 a long decades long approved by the FDA drug that 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.639 is really helpful for people with lupus, with rheumatoid arthwright is, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.840 and who don't want to get malaria, which I had 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.960 to work with a guy once who had malaria, like 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.400 who had to relapse a malaria. It can actually relapse too, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.600 I would note, it's ay at the parasite can come back. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.840 It's a it's a terrible as it was explaining to 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.760 me when I was going over to Africa for the 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.160 first time on assignment by the government to a place 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.439 where malaria was everywhere, really bad. Malaria was everywhere. I 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:16.600 was going to be but it's I was told, whatever 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.280 the drug is, you got to take take it because 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.160 you really don't want malaria. Okay, it's a nasty, nasty disease. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:22.880 I remember working with the guy who had the relapse 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.919 and he was just, oh, he's in really bad shape. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.760 So we know that it works for other things. We 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:30.840 know that it's safe enough to take that. Remember, there's 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.600 always a balance when you take tailanol. And by the 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:39.800 if you go speak to a certain doctors who are neurologists, 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:41.280 I mean they'll tell you people that take a lot 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.879 of talent all for headaches, very hard on your stomach. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.000 You really, you know, thailan al can mess you up, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.120 and better not just tilent all any of these NSAIDs 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.520 that you take out there, there's just it's hard on 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.080 your system, it's hard on your liver. You really don't 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.040 want to be a heavy drinker and use those things. 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:00.560 And this is all on the label, right, This is 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.159 I'm not telling you anything that you don't know if 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.080 you ever read the label of a of an ibuprofen 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.400 or thailanol or any of the rest of it. Point 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.159 here is that there's a trade off in the drugs 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:16.560 and with this study on hydroxy chloroquine. We're being told, well, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:21.760 let me tell you what it actually says. Amilaria drug 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.760 widely touted by President Donald Trump, this is for treating 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.639 the new coronavirus, showed no benefit in a large analysis 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.280 of its use in US veterans hospitals. There were more 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:37.760 deaths among those given hydroxy chloroquin versus standard care. Researchers reported. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.760 The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment, but with 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.360 three hundred and sixty eight patients, it's the largest look 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:48.160 so far of hydroxy chloroquin with or without. The antibiotic 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.439 is zethromycin for COVID nineteen, which has killed more than 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:58.440 one hundred and seventy one thousand people as of Tuesday. Okay, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.439 this is all in political right. That's a quote from 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.119 this political article the study was posted, so is this. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.520 The study was posted online for researchers and has been 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.880 submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.879 not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:16.280 Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:23.719 the work. Okay, friends, this sounds really This sounds like 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:28.120 you know, game over for hydroxychloroquinn. And I will just 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:31.560 note it is appalling that there are people that seem 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.919 to be eager to report this story and have a 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.520 whole ha ha told you Trump was sharing this. Trump 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.679 so bet this is about giving people who are on 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:48.320 death store in a hospital with a with a very debilitating, 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:53.119 painful and lethal disease, giving them a chance to beat it. 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.159 I give you my word on my word of honor. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.480 If you know, Chuck Schumer was out there saying, hey, guys, 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:07.320 I saw this drug study and it looks pretty good 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:10.720 for COVID patients if they take the following. Let's hope 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.640 it's true, which is all Trump has said. Trump didn't 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.400 say it works. He's saying, let's hope. It's like I've 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:18.120 seen some things. Let's hope. I promise you I'd say, 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:22.040 I hope Chuck Schumer is right and that this study 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.520 does prove. I mean, we all want we all want 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.199 the same thing, or we should want the same thing here, 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.640 which is more weapons for our healthcare providers to fight 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.959 the invisible enemy of this virus and protect more people, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:40.640 protect more lives, save more people. But there's an an obvious, 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:46.000 a visible glee with which some in the media report 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:50.240 on this, and you do end up asking yourself, how 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:54.879 deranged have they really become? When even under these circumstances, 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.840 the most important thing to them is that Trump looks bad. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.480 There's no disappointment at this drug not necessarily working the 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.320 way that we were hoping. No one said it was 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:07.320 a cure. I should say, no one in the Trump 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:08.960 administration said it was a cure. I don't know what 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:13.119 everybody says, but the Trump administration was not misrepresenting this 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:18.440 at all. But it's also not over friends. You'll see 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.560 that whenever a study comes out like psurology tests, all 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:25.639 of a sudden, ever becomes an expert in scientific experimentation, 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.280 all of a sudden, they'll be said, oh, there's no 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:34.000 there's no control group. Oh there's no h you know, 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.919 there's nothing, nothing that you can do to look at 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.040 this that makes it prove anything, right, I mean, you know, 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:44.720 there they tear apart studies that, remember, beating the virus 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.679 has been conflated in a lot of journals and Democrats 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:52.920 minds with coold for Trump. Therefore, Mumm a little conflicted 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.400 about some aspects of this. You know, at a little 0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:57.840 you know, sure they would say they want to save 0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:59.520 every life. Of course they would say that. But yet 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:04.280 whenever there's a story that could promote the ability of 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:07.040 the administration to handle this better, or that it's not 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:10.399 perhaps going to be as bad as we had been told, 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.440 there's this very clear this this part is in divide 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.280 in the way that people view this, and I find 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.480 that very troubling. But this study that now, and I 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.639 saw the bill, there were people that we're kind of 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:27.080 spiking the football. See hydroxy chloroquin doesn't work the way 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.160 that you were told it does. Well, that's that's really 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.800 bad news for humanity. Okay, we want drugs that are 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.679 going to save people here, we want things that are 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.399 going to work. But it's also not true. This is 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.160 just yet another data point among many. And we don't 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.560 remember what I said. It's not about consensus. It's about science. 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:48.720 It's about facts. It's about what is true, what is provable, 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:54.359 what can be replicated as a result. And here is 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:59.040 what a friend of mine, and really on all these issues, 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.840 a kind of mentor or right, I said, look, Keny, 0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.240 you got to break this study down for me. What 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.600 are we said? Is this game over for hydroxy chloroquin? 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:07.840 And I can tell you this is somebody who I have. 0:26:08.560 --> 0:26:10.760 I mean, I've entrusted my health and my life too 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.600 in the past on some serious stuff. This is a 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.040 guy who really really knows his stuff, and he's very, 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.159 very highly regarded. But he like he lives a private 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.440 life as an MD. And I'm not I told him 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.000 I just would use his analysis. I'm not gonna, but 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.480 he's an infectious disease specialist. He said. This is what 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.400 This is his response. You know, the media, Politico, everyone's 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.400 own NPR. The study shows a hydroxy chloroquin. His garbage 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.280 doesn't work for this the dangerous drug. In fact, more 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:39.840 people died who took hydroxy chloroquin. Here's what he says. Quote. 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.560 This is probably the worst of study designs. It is 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:46.680 retrospective analysis with no stated methods as to how patients 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:50.760 were assigned one of the three treatment arms. In addition, 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.840 the three groups were not entirely comparable and all were 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.520 sick enough to be hospitalized. A key indicator of prognosis, 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:06.320 fibrine degradation products, was not even measured, So although it 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:10.240 may be proven true in subsequent prospective trials, we should 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.280 also understand that proponents of the use of hydroxy chloroquine 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:19.119 in various combinations with other drugs, all suggest that the 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:24.480 drug is most effective when used early, well before patients 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:29.919 qualify for hospitalization. This is similar to the way we 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.520 use otomivie. This is how you know this came from 0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.399 an expert, because I don't even how to pronounce this stuff. 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:41.920 Oseltomivir or baloch savie for influenza unless started within seventy 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:46.720 two hours of onset of viral symptoms, these effective, proven 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:50.679 and licensed drugs have little or no demonstrable effect on 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:55.920 the course of influenza. However, we still routinely will use 0:27:55.960 --> 0:28:00.000 them in advanced late beyond seventy two hours influenza patients 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.320 who are sick enough to be admitted to the hospital. 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.359 It will be interesting to see if this article is 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:11.320 even accepted by a reputable journal, meaning the study is 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:15.280 even accepted by a reputable journal. Oh wait a second, 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.280 you mean there's a lot more layers here, There's a 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.240 lot more research and work that needs to be done. 0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:24.240 I've been telling you this four weeks now. The real 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.600 experts who are looking at this and who are and 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.119 he's somebody who's his hospital is treating large number of 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.800 COVID patients. He's looking at all the data from those trials. 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.600 I have another friend who's a doctor out in Brooklyn. 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:41.080 He's treating large numbers of COVID patients and looking at 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.400 and then they were using hydroxy chloroquin on them, and 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:46.600 it seemed like works for some people, doesn't work for 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.960 other Well, it's not random. There's some reason why it 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.640 would work for some and not others, and we'd have 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280 to get to the bottom of that. But notice how 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.720 the politics drives the narrative, not not the science. We 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.840 already know. So you see what he's explaining. Here is it? 0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:01.920 For First of all, this this study is there's a 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.800 lot of holes, there's a lot of weakness in the study. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:08.080 But we already know that there are the most effective 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:12.240 anti virals we use for influenza, remember fourteenth century Italians 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:18.160 influenza influence of the stars. We already know that you 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.600 have to take it early on, or else the viral 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.560 replication gets to the point where you can't really you know, 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:27.160 the horse has already left the barn, right, you're got 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.040 you gotta get to it within a certain timeframe or else. 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.600 And this is even true of tamiflu, which I'm assuming 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.760 maybe that's what osel tamavir. That's probably what it is actually, 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:37.280 now that I think about it, I'm just guessing that 0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.719 might not. You know, it's not medical advice, but you 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:41.800 have to take these drugs early on or else they 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.680 have no effect. That's true of So why would that 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.640 be so strange with hydroxychloroquine because people were, you know, 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.960 the regulators were a little bit gun shy about giving 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.280 hydroxy chloroquine to people. You know what they've done. They've 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:58.320 said it's only going to people in hospitals. Who shows 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.320 up at hospitals now with COVID nineteen that small but 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:06.520 substantial percentage of people that have extreme symptoms. So you're 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:08.680 already looking at people who have had a lot of 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.400 virus replication inside of them and are in bad shape. 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.640 It may be too late for hydroxy chloroquine to switch 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.800 that off. The primary threat to individuals once they get 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.480 to that phase is the least the primary threat that 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:24.800 we're seeing that causes causes fatality. We know the lung 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.480 shutdown and they don't function. But why it's ards it's 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.640 this inflammatory syndrome in the lungs had come from something 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:34.240 called a cytokine storm. Well, if you already have enough 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.080 virus in your system that you're you've arrived at the 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.440 cytokine storm phase. Even if you're starting to fight back 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:44.320 on that virus replication, the inflammatory and immune response in 0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:49.480 your lungs may be too much and you might die anyway. Now, 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.920 this is theorizing, but it's theorizing, and I'm barring. These 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.480 are theories I'm barring from actual mds and people that 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.720 work in infectious disease, not you know, no offense. I 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.640 love dermatologists. They do great work too, but I'm talking 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:01.960 with people look at an infectious and now that they 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:03.800 do infectious disease too in a way, but you know 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:05.640 they you see, you see what I'm saying. People that 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:10.000 this is their realm of expertise. So I remember, I 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.080 think there was it wasn't there a Seinfeld episode where 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.120 Jerry said something about dermatologists and then and then they're 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.840 like our dermatologists And then uh, I think George or 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.000 Somebody's like, yeah, Jerry, skin cancer and he goes, oh, no, 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:24.560 he was dating a dermatologist and she claimed to save 0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:27.440 lives and he said she doesn't save lives and he 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.640 called her out for it, and then she was creating 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:32.680 skin cancer. Thank you, thank you. That's right, yes, yes, 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.880 So I don't dermatologist legit mds that do very important stuff. 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:37.400 I just mean that this is within the spet the 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.719 doctors I'm talking about this, this is within their specialty 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:44.000 of dealing with infectious disease um. You know, somebody on 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.040 on social media actually called out Alex Barrinson, who we have, 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:48.880 who we had on the show, who's one of the 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.959 few people willing to ask questions about the dominant narrative 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.560 about COVID nineteen and all of this, and someone was 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.720 yelling at him on Twitter, you know your wife is 0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:01.920 not even is not even a physician, esusy chiatrists. Psychiatrists 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.880 go to medical school, have an MD and are in 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:08.760 fact physicians. Alex I think appreciated on Twitter. I explained 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.600 this to some of the angry masses who people really 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.600 don't want to believe what he's telling them, which is just, hey, 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.920 look at the numbers. It's not it's bad. It's not 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.400 as bad as they're saying. That's the message that gets 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.680 you in trouble. These days. Things are bad. We all 0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.959 know that the economy is in really bad shape and 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:25.960 we're losing a lot of people from this virus, and 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:30.600 things are bad, but the virus itself is not as 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.720 bad as they told you it would be. And that's 0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.720 the message that gets you in so much trouble right now. 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.720 It's also why when you bring up the possibility of 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.120 a therapy that is useful in fighting against this disease, 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:45.320 especially if it's something that the president and not just 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.280 the president. A lot of people have talked about hydroxy 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.560 chloric wine. Doctors have been going on TV talking about 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.280 hydroxy chloric wine. Oh, but Tom Hanks's wife says that 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.200 it gave a really bad side effects. Yeah, there are 0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:59.320 side effects. We've always known that about the drug. People 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.840 are not aligned here with what is righteous and what 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.320 is good. They're not turning toward the light on this 0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:07.360 issue because the politics of the moment have blinded them. 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.360 We don't the answer about hydroxy chloroquine is we don't 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:13.440 have the answer. But people that are trying to act 0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:15.240 like we do and shut this whole thing down. I 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.120 know there's a change in the CDC guidance about it. 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.640 What's because they don't know? But we shall see my friends, 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.720 it is too early to tell. That's a different thing 0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:26.520 from we know. And haha, Trump was wrong, which is 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:31.120 bizarre on a whole bunch of levels. You're in the 0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:38.720 freedom hunt. This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Corona 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.240 is really saying to Americans, says, hey, wait a minute, folks, 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.440 It's important to listen to the experts. It's important to 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:49.040 listen to scientists. It's important to find a baseline of 0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:53.200 truth and make the choices on it. So coronavirus, maybe 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:56.160 America and the world's great wake up goal with respect 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.520 to the challenge of climate because this is coming at us. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.680 If you think pandemics are bad today, why do you 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.080 have the warming at a greater level than it is now? 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:11.200 And we're headed there. Every scientific report and judgment shows 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:18.000 that we are heading into amazing negative impacts. The feedback 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.440 loops or in the earth are just horrendous right now. 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:22.040 I'm not going to go through them all. But so 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.160 that's that's the meaning of the deaths thus far. And 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.400 yesterday was the highest number of deaths. And still this 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.719 president is avoiding responsibility for testing. Just all blather and 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.359 talking points and nincompoopery from John Kerry that's really that's 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.680 his expertise, nincompoopery. What the heck is he talking about? 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:45.719 The lesson of COVID nineteen is climate change and how 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.640 much worse climate change is going to make these these 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:53.360 people that they really they have been brainwashed, and maybe 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.080 perhaps their efforts to brainwash other people has seeped into 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.000 their own brains and they really believe their own bs. Now, 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.080 maybe that's where they this is. Maybe they know this 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.600 is the reality of their own mindset. We're in the 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.759 middle of this pandemic, and you want to tell us 0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:11.759 that we should be worried about climate change. That's all 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:13.600 based on models. So you want to talk about listen 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.680 to experts. Climate change is all about models. Models have 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:21.160 been wrong for climate change consistently now for really as 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.080 long as I've been alive. The experts on climate change 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.440 tend to usually be people who are like lawyers who 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.600 work for big international NGOs, who are leveraging some scientific 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.760 consensus when the real consensus doesn't exist. But the tyranny 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.160 that you're feeling right now are on this issue. They 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.959 will use this on climate change in the future. Mark 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:43.120 my words. Thanks for listening to the Bus Sesson Show. Podcasts. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.279 Remember to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app, or 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:51.920 wherever you get your podcasts. You also campaigned on reducing 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:57.239 legal immigration, and I'm wondering if some critics are saying 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.000 that you are using the virus now in this crisis 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.359 to follow through on that promise to reduce legal in her. No, No, well, 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.759 I want people that are in this country. I want 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.360 our citizens to get jobs. I don't want them to 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:14.760 have competition. We have a very unusual situation where something 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.240 came in that nobody has seen for many, many decades. 0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.680 Probably nineteen seventeen would be the closest analogy if you 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.400 look at it, when you look at the contagion, the 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:26.799 kind of contagion we're talking about. So no, I'm not 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:29.960 doing that at all. I want I want the American 0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.759 worker and the American or American citizens to be able 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.040 to get jobs. I don't want them to compete. Right now, 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:40.120 President saying he's suspending immigration because national security reasons. Of course, 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.000 we don't want additional virus cases brought into the country, 0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.759 and also he doesn't want Americans at a time and 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.520 we're losing tens of millions of jobs. Unpresident of Job 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:54.720 losses competing with non Americans for those jobs. Sarah Carter 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.319 is an investigative reporter. She also is a dear friend 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.080 of mine and a Fox News contributor. I like to 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:03.799 think that being my dear friend is more important than 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.160 being a contribute you know, who knows. But anyway, Sarah Carter, 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:09.319 I just realized I threw that in the middle. I'm like, well, 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.720 if I should probably give a resume first. But anyway, 0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.480 Sarah Carter, thank you so much for joining us. Dear 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.160 friend is definitely at the top of the list. Thank you. 0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.520 I'll I'll take it. You don't have to put that 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.360 on your official resume, but but I'll take it. No, 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.920 it is on my official resume. But Sexton is my 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.719 dear friend. Here we go. So so, Sarah, I know, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.680 you know you we want to talk about the crossfire 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.160 hurricane stuff because you've been all over that story for 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.480 years now and had been breaking lots of news on it, 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.439 and I think people think of your investigative journalism work 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.359 on that as much as anybody in the field, if 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.120 not the premier person in that field. But yeah, I 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:46.880 know you also do a lot on the border, and 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.319 when the border was a really hot topic. I used 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.360 to come to you to get insights about your travels 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.640 in Central America and what you're hearing from Border Patrol. 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:57.799 Given the crisis right now, the president's decision to try 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.680 and suspend immigration, what are you hearing from CBP, the 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.640 challenges that they face, and just what's going on in 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.040 our southern border right now. Well, I gotta tell you 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.439 from the very beginning, CBP our US Customs and Border 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.880 Protection officers that are out there on the border, on 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.000 the front lines every day. We're very concerned. There are 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:19.960 a number of custom and Border Protection officers who have 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:24.240 been exposed to the coronavirus uh there. You know. Of course, 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.600 those that do have it have been pulled off the 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.560 front line until they can get better and recover. That's 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:34.279 a big issue. I did speak with Patricia Kramer, she 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:38.359 is a union rep for the very front front line 0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.480 officers at the ports of entry. There was a lot 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.879 of concern and there still is a growing concern. It's 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.600 a story I'm actually working on right now that even 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.200 though people aren't allowed into the country, there's quite a 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:53.439 bit of traffic going into Mexico and then coming back in, 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.480 so they you know, they've been fighting fighting that, you know, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.640 saying that their officers are being exposed. And as far 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.319 as you know, the suspension, the sixty day suspension of 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:09.520 immigration across the board, I think it's a vitally important 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:14.839 buck because you're looking at a number of issues here, economics, 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:19.800 exposure of our officers, the disease which is still rampant 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:21.719 and spreading in other parts of the world as well 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.840 as here in the United States, and people got to 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.840 get a grasp on this, and especially on the economic side. 0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:29.680 You know, one of the biggest problems we have right 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.799 now is how are we going to get Americans back 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.600 into the workforce. Some of these businesses, especially small businesses, 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.719 have been lost now completely. We know that some of 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.800 these businesses are not coming back, and Americans need to 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.640 be the first in line to get the jobs. Once 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:50.600 the economy, which it will come back, you know, gets going, 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.279 we have to be able to get Americans back into 0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:56.880 the workforce, get our economy pumping again like it was before. 0:39:57.239 --> 0:39:59.880 The President's doing the right thing, and anyways, it's more 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.360 toorium right now. Is happening at a time when we 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.520 already have a moratorium on this, This just buys more 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.920 time for the administration and for the government to figure 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:13.200 out who and what needs to take priority, and that 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:16.560 of course is the American people and our law enforcement 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:20.200 officials on the front line. Did you see the mattel 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.000 In Albright. The mattel In Albright quote. You know, she's 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:26.640 been somebody who's very very friendly to you know, free 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.000 trade with China. That's actually not free trade. As we know, 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:31.160 she's been enriching herself for a long time on that one. 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:32.680 That people have been talking about that for the last 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.680 few days. But she said that it's almost like the 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.160 president wants to shut down the country and it's an 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.279 American about the border, and everyone's sitting around like, I 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.800 can't even leave my house, lady. The country is shut down. 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:49.080 The country is shut down, and this is the issue. 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.240 When people were still coming back and forth across the border, 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.280 and a lot of and believe me, this was happening 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.759 even under the president's directive. There were quite a few 0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.319 supervisors on the front line and people were saying, well, 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.799 we're going to still let the traffic flow back and forth. 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.920 I did write a story on that where they were 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:08.719 coming back and forth. And then you have other officers 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:11.080 that are right there working the front line, saying, whoa wa, 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.040 wait a minute, why are we being exposed? If our 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.080 families are forced on lockdown, how can people come across 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.240 the border here to the United States to buy milk 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:23.880 or to visit family or vice versa. People leaving the 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.879 United States who have family in Mexico or who are 0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.319 shopping in Mexico there. You just can't do that when 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.879 you're trying to stem an outbreak of this magnitude, especially 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.960 whether or not you know, the statistics are all right, 0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:40.600 and you know, you and I have both pointed this out, 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.640 you know, on these random stats, whether or not that's happening. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.840 The American people are on lockdown. I mean, I'm lucky 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.600 if I hit to Safeway every day, you know, to 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.640 go pick up groceries. That's my trip out of the house, 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.720 right and you know, sometimes walking with my daughter around 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:01.080 our neighborhood just to get exercise. So if we're on lockdown, well, 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.719 then why should we have our border wide open for 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.360 people to travel in and out. There is a reason 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.919 why this administration is doing that. It's smart and it's 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:14.080 it's actually beyond just the mitigation of the spread of 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:16.719 this disease. It's bringing us back to what we need 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:21.360 to do, and that has put Americans first economically that 0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.560 we can move ahead. And if there is a place 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.640 and a time where we will be reopening the border, 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.080 there has to be priorities in place. And you know, 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.640 Madeline Albright has always been a globalist apologist, along with 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:38.440 quite a few other people. They definitely are the antithesis 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:43.280 to President Trump, directly opposite and is thinking of putting 0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.640 America first. This is about globalism, and we have to 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.160 be very careful about, you know, people that really want 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:54.640 to push this global idea of you know, opening our borders. 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.799 You know past NAFTA deals, all of these Iran deals 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.239 that were so bad that President in Trunk basically just 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.080 eliminated and renegotiated. And he did that for a reason. 0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.520 He did that to put the American worker first. And 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.560 we're speaking to Sarah Carter. If you have not already, 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.680 you should go to Sarah Acarter dot com. That's her 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.080 site where she's posting stories and including the investigative pieces 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:20.000 that often blow a huge hole in the deep state narrative, 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:23.520 especially around issues of Russia collusion and well the absence 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.200 of Russia collusion. But Sarah, before we moved, before we 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.400 moved to that topic and your your latest work on that, 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.360 because I know we have these footnotes declassified now that 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.399 we can see from the Inspector General report that are 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.200 some in a normal circumstance, if we didn't have a 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.839 global pandemic, everybody would be saying, wow, that's a big story. 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.319 But right now it's getting overshadowed as everything is. One 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:47.279 more on the coronavirus situation of Mexico where you were 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.080 talking about the border in our border security. Mexico has 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.920 not yet been hit that badly by COVID nineteen, but 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.080 as of today, there's all these reports that they I mean, 0:43:57.080 --> 0:44:02.120 they've had Mexico City, for example, has had half of 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.040 Mexico's eight thousand, seven hundred seventy two cases, thirty five 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.399 percent of the seven hundred and twelve deaths. And now 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.560 Mexico's over one hundred million people. It's a large country. 0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.120 They've had very few of these cases. Are they expecting 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:15.680 there to be a major spike and if that happens, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.160 what is border patrol things going to happen on our end? 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:21.560 That's right, it's a great question, and it is something 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.799 that not only the medical community is looking at, but 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.920 I can tell you that you know, the intelligence community 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:32.040 is looking at and our law enforcement officials. It would 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.080 stand to reason, according to sources that I've spoken to, 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:39.239 that Mexico and Central America will see spikes in the 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.400 spread of COVID. Now, every nation is different, and how 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.720 they classify and can you know, get their statistics is different, 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.560 and also environments are different. So that is something that 0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.120 they're going to be looking at whether or not the 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.759 warmer weather as summer comes around, will that mitigate the 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.319 spread of this virus. But remember, book, there will be 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.960 a two medical officials, a concern that there will be 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.480 a second wave, and a lot of people who have 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:07.919 been talking about, oh, coming up with a vaccine. Will 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.759 we have a vaccine in the future, Will that could 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:13.680 be years from now, that could be two to four 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:17.000 years from now, if they ever find a vaccine that 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.719 actually is really going to work against this because remember, 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:25.240 viruses and pathogens, they mutate, they change, and that's always 0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.560 been the problem when we try to stay one step 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.120 ahead of the flu every year. You know, sometimes the 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:34.800 flu vaccines are effective, other times they're not effective. Because 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.480 that means there's a different strain of it coming around. 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:39.640 But I can tell you this talking to people in 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.480 Central America, this is a big, big concern for them. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:45.640 I spend a lot of time in Guatemala. I know 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.200 a lot of the senior Guatemalan officials in the government 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.319 from the previous government of President Ruralis and some who 0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:55.000 are currently in this new administration. They are watching it 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.799 very carefully. They're working very closely with US officials on 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.720 this and trying to monitor. But gosh, buck, you've traveled 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.000 to a lot of the similar places that I've traveled 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:07.560 to around the globe, and you know there's a lot 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.920 of areas of poverty in Central America as well, and 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:16.600 it's very very difficult to get the right medical officials 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.759 in those areas. It's very very difficult. And also, I 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.000 would have concerns that if you're going to have you know, 0:46:23.080 --> 0:46:26.560 COVID nineteen and you have some of the economic devastation 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.400 that we've had in this country, if that starts to 0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.000 filter you know, south of us, we can handle it 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.040 better certainly than those economies can. And the possible influx 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:37.359 of what you would what the you know, the left 0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:39.600 will refer to them as COVID refugees, even though we 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.279 have COVID here that could very well becoming and I 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:43.800 think that's that's a concern that we all have to 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:45.440 keep an eye on. That's why the president shutting the 0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:49.360 borders might be a prescient decision at this point, shutting 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.640 down immigration, I should say. But Sarah, also, just because 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.080 we've got we've got a few minutes for this one. 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:59.080 You've been following Crossfire, Hurricane, the FBI's bogus investigation into 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:02.880 President tromp or Russia collusion in the twenty sixteen election, 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:04.960 and there were some big stuff that came out on 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.640 the Inspector General Horowitz Report, new stuff from the footnotes 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.560 that are now declassified. What can you tell us about it? 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:13.680 I think this is probably some of the biggest news, 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:16.920 and unfortunately we're not seeing a lot of the major 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:20.359 news outlets report on this. The American people must be 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.719 informed about what happened here and these footnotes that were 0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:28.520 declassified by Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, the senators that 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.799 have been investigating and really pushing for the DNI. That's 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:35.239 the director Acting Director of National Intelligence, Writt Grill, as 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:39.400 well as the Attorney General to declassify these footnotes basically 0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:44.120 exposed in a nutshell that the FBI, senior members of 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.279 the FBI and the Crossfire Hurricane Team, as well as 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.520 I believe from what I'm hearing from my sources, other 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:55.200 members like John Brennan, James Clapper, former Obama officials knew 0:47:55.400 --> 0:48:00.120 all along, knew all along book that this information is 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:05.080 Russian disinformation. Basically, what Christopher Steele put in his dodgy dossier, 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:09.719 the debunked dossier, was actually information supplied to him by 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:15.279 some Russian connected Kremlin sources that were putting disinformation into 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:19.240 the dossier to a harm President Trump and to harm 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:23.160 our elections, to harm our nation and to divide and 0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.560 see a chaos. The question is, knowing that they knew this, 0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.719 why did they continue to do it, and what is 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.920 their culpability in this? You know, from the beginning, I've 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.160 always said this appeared to be a soft coup from 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:41.880 senior Obama administration officials that did not want candidate Trump 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.759 to become president, and if he did, they wanted to 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.400 take him down. And more and more what we're seeing 0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:50.279 is that they were very aware that they were the 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:53.400 ones actually colluding with Russia, that they were actually spreading 0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.719 Russian disinformation and Jess as a footnote to all of that, 0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:00.759 before you let me go, I spoke yesterday to Nigel West, 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:06.120 a former parliamentarian from great as well as an expert 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.440 on intelligence, written a number of books and did an 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:14.360 investigation into Christopher Stile back in twenty seventeen and what 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:18.120 he discovered from Christopher Stiele's report. And by the way, 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.600 this was somebody who was friends with Christopher Stiele, so 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:23.000 this isn't somebody who hated him by any means. This 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.720 is somebody who was asked to conduct an investigation. After 0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.360 looking at Christopher Stile's numerous reports, because there were actually 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:34.880 seventeen reports that he actually did on the Trump administration, 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:41.560 he concluded that Christopher Stile made up the report that 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:45.120 he was basically this none of the report was actually 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.160 true in the intel business, so you know, we'd call 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:50.440 him a fabricator. He's a fabricator, a fabricator exactly that 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.680 he fabricated this report, which is really stunny. Now. He 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:55.840 may have had and according to others he did have 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:59.239 some connections to Russian sources, and he did, but the 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.080 thing was the way he described his sources. The way 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:05.000 he describes his sourcing, there was just no way he 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.879 could have had this information from any legitimate sources. So 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:11.759 what we see now is that Christopher SiO basically was 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.120 a fabricator and the information that he did put in 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.560 there that seemed the most salacious was just actually Russian 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:22.680 disinformation from Russian intelligence from their GRU and FSB. And 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.120 so if it looks like the Democrats themselves were the 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:29.719 ones that were duped by the Russians, and for those 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:33.040 that weren't duped, they should answer the question to the 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.720 Attorney General and to Prosecutor John Durham, if you knew 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:40.600 this was Russian disinformation, why did you assist in spreading it? 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.160 Sarah Carter, Everybody, Sarah, please stay on this story because 0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.520 we're gonna need to find out what the resolution is here. 0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:49.680 And if we don't keep the pressure on, we know 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.600 they're gonna You and I both know the old Potomac 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:54.800 two step. They'll sweep it under the rug unless folks 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.239 like you stay on it. So thank you for all 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.759 your work on that. Everyone should be following Sarah on 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.200 social media. Sarah Carter dot com is your website, Sarah, 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.799 thanks so much. Thanks so much, but great to be on. 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.399 You're in a freedom money. This is the Buck Sex 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:17.680 and Show podcast. It is happening in the context of 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.279 Congress having gone on recess for a month. We are 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:25.520 going to pass a small potatoes bill and then we 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:30.399 are talking about recessing again until May fourth, and if 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.839 we are going to bring every member or call back 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:37.880 almost every member who can back to DC to pass 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.440 a small incremental bill and with the knowledge that we 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.560 are not coming back until next month again, that's two 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:48.160 rent checks. And the last time we left again, we 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:54.040 lost over one nine eleven's worth of people due to 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:59.520 this lack of action. We lost a nine elevens worth 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.600 of people to lack of action. How that's quite a 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.799 thing to say. And that's AOC as you know, the 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:11.200 favorite young member of Congress for the for the left, 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:13.960 and they've realized, you know, Bernie Sanders, Folks, you're not 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.080 going to be hearing much more about that guy much longer. 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:18.680 You know Bernie Sanders. You know, he had he had 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:21.520 his several runs at the Office of the Presidency, and 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.120 it's not going to happen. They're going to have to 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.680 start looking to build the next generation of left wing 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:31.600 statuss and build, build them up, and AOC is certainly 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:33.880 very close to the top of that list, if not 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.160 already at the top of that list. But notice the 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:38.240 language being used here. I mean, I think it's important 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:41.760 to drop in on the progressives in Congress to understand 0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:46.800 what the longer term game is. A small potatoes bill. Now, 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:50.399 I'm willing to to say that, clearly they didn't lay 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:52.480 out enough money. Everyone knows this, that's why they had 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.560 to then. But when we're going to start referring to 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.520 five hundred or so, I think it's four hundred and 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.399 eighty something was the actual, but close to a half 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.600 a trillion dollars of short term spending as a small 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:10.640 potatoes bill, it's clear that we have lost all sense 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:16.759 of proportion and also are very kind of blithely gliding 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:23.360 toward real economic catastrophe. If half a trillion dollars of 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:27.560 spending could be described by anybody as small potatoes, we 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:31.759 got big problems. And the Democrats along are seeing this 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:34.640 as no matter what happens with the spending, this is 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.880 an opportunity. This is setting the stage going forward for 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:42.320 a whole lot more spending. The ramifications of this, my friends, 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:45.760 on a policy level, will last well beyond this virus. 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.520 And that's even if the virus stretches to be a 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.040 menace for a couple of years. Thanks for listening to 0:53:51.080 --> 0:53:55.360 the bus seton show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:58.719 the iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.840 No amount of money, not all the money in China 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.480 will save us from ourselves. Our only hope of rescuing 0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:09.360 this great country is to reopen the economy. If you 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:11.880 print up billions of dollars and give it to people, 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.759 they are unlikely to spend it until you end the quarantine. 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.760 The good news, though, is that the scientific community finally 0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:23.560 has facts instead of conjecture. The question. The question before 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:28.040 us isn't do nothing or print endless amounts of bailout cash. 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:31.879 The debate should now include the one choice that we'll 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:37.240 get our economy growing again, reopening American commerce. We need 0:54:37.800 --> 0:54:41.680 to heed the senator's words here, you Rampaul's of one 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.719 of these guys you know when you need them, you 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:46.160 really need them. And I think that ran Paul, and 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:51.919 I've always thought that his political skills weren't as far 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:55.759 along as as his knowledge of political theory, and I 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.600 do believe he's a principled guy in his approach to 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:02.600 politics too, uh that that he does his beliefs matter 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:05.760 in the exercise of his of his job as a centator, 0:55:05.800 --> 0:55:08.080 which makes me also think that he'd be he I 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:09.759 think he'd be a pretty good president. I know people 0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:11.480 don't think so. I think he'd actually be. He wouldn't 0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.960 bother you. You wouldn't have people getting, you know, pulled 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.000 off of subway subway cars because I don't have a 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:21.160 face mask on, although that's a state issue. Not trying 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.960 to not trying to, you know, take a cheap, cheap 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.000 shot at our current president. But I'm just saying, you know, 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.320 he's he's a guy who does believe in liberty and freedom, 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:31.480 and he also understands because of what he knows, but 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:36.120 also the legacy of his father, doctor Ron Paul. Um. 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:41.160 You know, he understands that this that this amount of 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.160 By the way, it's doctor Ron Paul. I know Rand's 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:47.200 an optimologist, producer, Mark isn't is Ron Paul a doctor? 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:51.840 Two m I imagining that I gotta gosh, sometimes I 0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:56.560 so much so much information, thank you. He was a physician. 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:58.760 I thought so so he's doctor. He's a real doctor, 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.880 not a doctor Jill by doctor, a PhD in education. 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:07.480 New dood dud dudo. We're not good to call you 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:13.359 doctor Jill Biden because of your PhD in education. Where 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.080 were we on this? Yes, Rand Paul saying we have 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.800 to reopen the economy. The projections of what starts to 0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:20.879 happen if we continue to spend money at this rate, 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.799 and really, I shouldn't say spend money, print money, that's 0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.720 the issue. I think a lot of people, and I've 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.840 seen some analysis from Wall Street on this, a lot 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:33.160 of people recognize that we are that those who can 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.600 are sitting on the sidelines, not spending money and not 0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.520 investing because of the great degree of uncertainty right now. 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.560 And those who are in a tough position, they're spending 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.800 the money very quickly to the government's giving them because 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.080 they have no choice and it's coming up short. They 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:51.880 don't have enough cash. That's twelve hundred dollars is not 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.440 going to last people. Reopening the economy is going to 0:56:55.600 --> 0:57:01.920 be a very complicated, very challenging PSS. And that's assuming 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.560 that we're all operating from the good faith position of 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.480 what's best for the United States, what's best for the 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:12.840 country as a whole. We have to reckon with the 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.839 truth that there are people right now who I think 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.880 in their mind they separate out. You know, they'd say, oh, 0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:23.000 I want all life to be protected from COVID nineteen, 0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:29.760 but if the economy needs to be if the economy 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:33.520 needs to be a little bit beat up a little 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:37.479 bit longer so that Donald Trump loses the election, they're 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.800 okay with that. So this is where you're going to 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:44.960 see this fight because that desire to do everything possible, 0:57:45.040 --> 0:57:47.160 as they say, if it saves one life, that theory, 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:49.880 if it saves one life, it should be done. That 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:53.160 will be used to shout down anyone who's pushing for reopening. 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:57.280 And there's another another concern he or another problem that 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:01.000 a lot of the political debate obscures right now, and 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:06.000 that is if some states do open with the more 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.960 limited mitigation measures. Remember, no state is going back to 0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:13.720 totally normal. But if some states open with these mitigation 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.720 measures in place and they don't have a spike, what then, 0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:21.440 why do we need all fifty states effectively all fifty 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.800 I think it's maybe forty seven or forty eight technically, 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:24.920 But why do we need all these states to have 0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.120 the shutdown orders. Why is over ninety percent of America 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:32.520 told stay home, it can't go outside? Does does anyone 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.000 find an easy justification for that? If in fact it 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:36.840 seems that states are able to control this on their 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:40.880 own with much less severe mitigation measures, that's going to 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.920 be a whole debate. It will also then indicate that 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:47.520 the blame Trump campaign because he did not order the 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:52.000 federal shutdown fast enough, may not have any any data, 0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:54.360 any merit behind him. Put aside that everybody got this 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.640 thing wrong and nobody really knew. But if states were 0:58:57.720 --> 0:59:01.440 able to on their own gage in mitigation measures that 0:59:01.480 --> 0:59:04.120 would control the virus as it continues to be a 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.680 threat and continues to spread, which it will. I mean, 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:08.400 doctor Burke said it at the top of the show. 0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:10.040 We all know there's going to be more. There are 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.080 going to be more covid cas. There's no way around it. 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.880 But if it's not an overwhelming problem, and if the 0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:20.520 loss of life is not something that society cannot sustain, right, 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:22.760 then everyone's going to turn around and say, we'll hold 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.240 on a second. Was what was going on here with 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:29.600 these what was going on with this declaration? From on 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.680 high that we have to have the shutdown, and then 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:35.160 everyone's going to look at the pain, the alcoholism, the 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.040 child abused, the loss of jobs, the loss of livelihoods, 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:42.880 the destruction of businesses, the anxiety, the psychological pain, the depression, 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:46.080 the durest that we're all under. And we were told 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.080 was for our own good. Remember, we're told was for 0:59:48.120 --> 0:59:50.560 our own good. There's going to be a moment of 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:54.280 reckoning for all of that. They keep trying to tell 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:58.560 you that the Swedish model is a disaster. It's not. 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:03.600 It's just not true. They keep trying to tell you 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:07.160 that we shouldn't look to other countries that did not 1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:09.640 shut down. To Japan shutdown its whole economy, No, it 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:14.200 did not. Why The only answer, we were led to believe, 1:00:14.240 --> 1:00:18.600 the only answer, unless you wanted just bodies in the streets, 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:23.439 millions of people dead, The only answer was to shut 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:25.920 down the entire eclome the first time in history that 1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:29.120 the United States has voluntarily decided to shutdown its economy. 1:00:29.200 --> 1:00:30.800 We do not do this during wars, we do not 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:34.240 do this during previous pandemics. And this is what our 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.680 policy community settled on as the answer here, and it 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.160 wasn't member, It wasn't just the They got us going 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.120 with a two weeks shutdown, then they extended another month. 1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:47.120 Six weeks have shutdown. Huh, And then we get to 1:00:47.280 --> 1:00:51.560 what do we do with the second wave, the second 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:56.440 wave that may come. Everyone right now is trying to 1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:58.800 see the future about how bad this will be coming 1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:01.160 back in the fall, and we don't know certain things 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:02.560 and no one's going to know them right now, like 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.160 will we have better therapeutics, Will we be in a 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.600 stronger position to fight the virus then than we are 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:10.080 now based on the tools that we have. There's so 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:14.600 much focus on testing. Where will our testing be at 1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:17.400 that point? Now, Remember, as I've said to you, by 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:19.360 the time that you know, no matter how good we 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:21.800 think the testing gets, testing trace is going to be imperfect, 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:24.880 which means there will be spread of this disease. It'll 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.680 hopefully be a containable situation. But let's understand that even 1:01:28.760 --> 1:01:33.240 the people that are yelling testing, testing, testing, they accept 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.640 implicitly that there will be some trade offs here, which 1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:38.200 means there will there will be people who die from 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:40.560 this virus because of the reopening. Even if we get 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:45.240 to the testing levels that they declare are completely necessary. 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:51.120 And you know, Nancy Pelosi, never helpful in any of 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:55.600 these discussions, keeps on. She keeps repeating this mantra about science, 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.240 as if that's an answer to what the science says, 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:03.120 what exactly right? Now? Shut down forever. This is not 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:07.440 a scientific only question. This is also a deeply political 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.440 question that goes to individual rights and freedoms and the Constitution. 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:16.480 Here's what Pelosi says, though nonetheless play six there's a 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:22.240 voice scout saying preparation prevents poor performance. Well, that was 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:25.440 exactly where the president gets an f He was not 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:29.000 properly prepared, not with the truth, with the facts, or 1:02:29.080 --> 1:02:32.920 the admission of what was happening in our country, delay 1:02:34.280 --> 1:02:38.840 whatever its delay, denial death. Instead, we'd like him to 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:42.440 see him insist on the truth, and we must insist 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:45.840 on the truth with him, and that is really what 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:49.680 should give us hope if he finally never too late. 1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:52.520 It's never too late, as I keep saying, to tell 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:55.720 the truth, mister president, and it's never too late to 1:02:55.880 --> 1:02:59.960 do the right thing, and to pay attention to science. Science, 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:04.240 it's science and science. This is really what liberals have 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:08.680 been reduced to, testing, testing, testing, sied sied science just 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:13.760 repeating words that they think make them sound smart. You know, 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:15.640 this is a little bit like the reduction they do 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.560 about much more complicated issues like climate change. For example, 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:21.200 do you believe in climate change? It's a stupid question, 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:23.240 but people ask it all the time. What does it 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:27.320 even mean? Do I believe in climate change that is 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.960 real but not particularly important? Do I believe in climate 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:34.760 change that would justify the shutdown of the global economy 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:37.960 in order to save the planet. Think of the span there. 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:39.920 You know, this is like some of the modeling and 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:42.040 oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to dig more into 1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:44.000 the models of the path. It's not just that we've 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:48.560 gotten the wrong models for disease right now with the 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:52.120 COVID nineteen pandemic, the models stretching the models for ebola 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:55.680 were terribly wrong. The models for stars were terribly wrong. 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:59.560 Just go back. The models for initial HIV infections were 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:03.040 very wrong. I mean, they're just the models for the 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:06.640 Earth and the early stages of a disease are almost useless. 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:09.640 It's like someone who gives you a range, you know, 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:13.640 a range of well, you know, the stock market. I'm 1:04:13.760 --> 1:04:16.040 I'm predicting confidently. And I'm going to look you in 1:04:16.080 --> 1:04:18.000 the eyes right now, America, and I'm gonna tell you this. 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:21.000 I'm gonna predict the stock market that the Dow will 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:26.040 be somewhere between five thousand and thirty five thousand over 1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:28.080 the next six months. That's right. You can take that 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:32.760 to the bank. Is that a helpful prediction? Does that 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:35.160 tell you how you could manage your money? And what 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:39.439 sort of risks you'd be willing to take that would 1:04:39.480 --> 1:04:42.919 five thousand things are very bad? That would thirty five 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:45.560 thousand things are fantastic. We must have found a cure 1:04:45.640 --> 1:04:49.240 to this, miraculous right. But that's what you see with 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:55.520 these disease these disease spread models that the pandemic preparedness 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:59.400 community relies on, and it does very much affect the 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:01.760 decision that we've had about how quickly we're willing to 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:04.320 struct to reopen businesses. And that then brings me to 1:05:04.560 --> 1:05:06.800 some of the impediments that we see to the reopening 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:10.320 of businesses that we've we've known they're real, we've known 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:14.120 they're going to happen, but now it is. Now it 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:17.480 is becoming apparent from from what's actually happening on the 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:21.120 ground in states across the country. What happens to a 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:23.960 restaurant now, even if they want to bring people back, 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:28.919 I'll walk you through that. You're in the freedom hunt. 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:36.120 This is the Buck Sexton Show podcast. I Miss McConnell 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:38.680 likes to say we delayed the bill. No, heat delayed 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:42.760 the bill a two weeks ago. He came to the 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:46.120 floor and said, this is all we're doing, just the 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:50.400 two fifty and that Democrats were reunited House and Senate. 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:54.120 The Senate Democrats went to the floor and said no, no, 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:59.520 that that we have a better idea about hospitals and testing, 1:06:00.040 --> 1:06:03.840 and more funds for all of the businesses, the low 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:08.760 lower shall we say, the unbankable small businesses. So we're 1:06:08.920 --> 1:06:12.840 very pleased that he finally came around to the fact 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:15.640 that we had to go forward with this. So he 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:18.400 was the one wasting time. I say that because I 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:21.560 keep hearing him say, are we delayed? No, he delayed. 1:06:22.480 --> 1:06:26.520 Total rewriting of history from you know, wine cooler Pelosi 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:29.440 over here, I mean, just total crap from her. We 1:06:29.560 --> 1:06:31.360 all know. And the media, lets are get away with it. 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:34.360 They just they pretend, oh there speak truth to power. 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:38.920 The guardians of our democracy, the journals. You know, the 1:06:39.080 --> 1:06:44.400 fourth or state. Please, they're the worst, the worst. We 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:46.960 all know that Pelosi was playing games. Everybody knew Pelosi 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.360 was playing games. No one says that they're not gonna 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:52.960 have There's not a willingness to try to help out hospitals. 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:56.480 You look, part of the shutdown problem here. Part of 1:06:56.560 --> 1:06:59.800 the issue is that hospitals are going bankrupt now, folks. 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:03.840 People can't get normal care, and hospitals are going bankrupt 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:06.439 all across the country with each passing day. They're going 1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:12.280 under because of the cessation of elective procedures, which when 1:07:12.280 --> 1:07:14.560 you when you look at the whole scope of elective procedures, 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:17.360 some of them are not really that elective. They're pretty important, 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:23.080 pretty urgent. But also a lot of preventative medicine wont 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.840 has not been occurring. I mean, just I don't even 1:07:25.880 --> 1:07:27.520 want to think about this, but I do think we 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:29.640 have to keep it somewhere somewhere in the back of 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:32.760 our minds. Think of all the cancer screenings, all the mammograms, 1:07:32.840 --> 1:07:37.640 all the all the analysis for early stage prostate cancer, 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:39.800 all these things. I mean, here's a perfe example. I 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:41.960 haven't gone to the doctor. I mean, I haven't gone 1:07:41.960 --> 1:07:43.760 to the barber. But I haven't gone to the doctor 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:46.600 this year to get to get checked out and have 1:07:46.720 --> 1:07:48.640 my physical and I don't know when that's going to happen. 1:07:49.080 --> 1:07:50.840 And now you might say, well, I'm a relatively young, 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:52.680 healthy guy, and so it shouldn't be a big deal. 1:07:52.840 --> 1:07:54.720 Well what if I don't get to go for six 1:07:54.800 --> 1:07:56.240 months and I do find out that I got something 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:58.600 that is a big deal. Now it's not just oh 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:02.320 look at me, it's extraplate the circumstance that each individual 1:08:02.520 --> 1:08:05.320 is dealing with over three hundred and twenty million people. 1:08:05.840 --> 1:08:08.840 And then started thinking, okay, well, how many you know, 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:13.000 serious diseases are being missed in this period and it's 1:08:13.080 --> 1:08:15.760 not going to end anytime soon, right the shutdowns in 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:18.000 these hospitals, they're just beginning to get up to speed, 1:08:18.600 --> 1:08:21.160 and it's been now you know, it'll be easily six 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:25.679 weeks going on two months of just missed medical medical 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:29.560 action other than dealing with COVID nineteen everything else. But 1:08:29.600 --> 1:08:31.360 people still have heart attack. There's a lot of really 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.360 bad diseases and things out there that people as we 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:36.080 had owe heart disease and cancer and lung cancer and 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:39.120 all these things. Those still very much exist and are 1:08:39.200 --> 1:08:44.640 killing people. And we've effectively said, you know, the preventative 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:47.760 measures that we can take in hospitals, those all get 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:49.960 put on hold right now. Now Again they tell us 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:52.280 this was the only way, but hospitals are going bankrupt. Okay, 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:55.680 So Pelosi's pretense that Republicans wouldn't give money for that 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:58.040 as total crap. But then you also just have some 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:01.920 of the well for Republicans, perhaps unintended, but the consequences 1:09:02.040 --> 1:09:06.640 of the rescue bill itself really interesting. Piece in the 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:11.040 Wall Street Journal by Kurt Huffman. It's a commentary piece. 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:15.400 Our restaurants can't reopen until August. Employees refuse to return 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:17.880 to work as long as they're getting an extra six 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:21.760 hundred dollars a week. He talks about how he's trying 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:23.640 to keep going. The goal is to survive. They're doing 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:25.880 some takeout. This reminds me of all the restaurants in 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:29.280 New York and the service industry employees. I think it's 1:09:29.960 --> 1:09:32.280 ten to fifteen percent of America. I think it's something 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:34.000 like that producer Mark fact check me on that one. 1:09:34.040 --> 1:09:36.559 I think it's ten to fifteen percent of America. It's 1:09:36.560 --> 1:09:39.280 a big service industry jobs, or are huge they are 1:09:39.280 --> 1:09:41.240 a huge part of the economy, or irrespective of whether 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:45.320 my off the cuff number is right in line. And 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:48.320 you know that he says this restaurants at thirty percent 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.200 of the usual revenue. And here's what's going on. Quote. 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:54.760 We started making the calls last week to our furloughed employees, 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:58.959 but they've they've already begun receiving weekly federal pandemic unemployment 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:02.160 compensation and checks of six hundred dollars under the Cares Act. 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:04.599 When we ask our employees to come back, they all 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.960 said no thanks. If they return to work, they'll have 1:10:07.080 --> 1:10:09.560 to take a pay cut. The starting wage for a 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:12.040 line cook in one of our restaurants is fifteen dollars 1:10:12.040 --> 1:10:14.439 an hour. These cooks receive at least a dollar an 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:16.360 hour and tips, so at minimum they make sixteen dollars 1:10:16.400 --> 1:10:19.080 an hour, or six hundred and forty dollars before taxes 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:22.240 for a forty hour week. The overwhelming majority of our 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:27.439 laid off cooks qualified for Oregon unemployment compensation four hundred 1:10:27.439 --> 1:10:30.559 and sixteen dollars in our example based on the cook's wages. 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:32.920 The extra two hundred and twenty four dollars a week 1:10:32.960 --> 1:10:36.280 provides a strong incentive to return to work. But as 1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:38.640 of this week, the same employee receives a thousand and 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:41.840 sixteen dollars a week, or three hundred and seventy six 1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:44.160 dollars more than he made as a full time employee. 1:10:44.760 --> 1:10:47.120 Why on earth would he want to come back to work. 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:49.720 The Trump administration's talking about setting a timeline for in 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:52.120 the country can open for business. For my business, Congress 1:10:52.160 --> 1:10:54.720 has already locked down that date. We can open our 1:10:54.760 --> 1:10:57.639 dining rooms on August first, once the government stops paying 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:01.240 people fifteen dollars an hour on top of standard unemployment 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:04.560 compensation to stay home. Democrats wanted this. This is a 1:11:04.640 --> 1:11:08.240 stealth fifteen dollar minimum wage. My friends, Thanks for listening 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:11.680 to the Bus Sesson Show podcast. Remember to subscribe on 1:11:11.760 --> 1:11:15.880 Apple podcast, the iHeartRadio app for wherever you get your podcasts. 1:11:17.160 --> 1:11:19.840 All right, team, we have a special treat today for you. 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:23.519 James al Tucher joins us now. He's an American hedge 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:27.839 fund manager, author, podcaster, entrepreneur. He's founded over twenty companies, 1:11:28.160 --> 1:11:32.920 and he's host of the James Altucher podcast. Mister al Tucher, Hello, sir, 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:36.160 but so happy to be on your show up and 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:39.599 I've been listening ever since, back when you're at the Blaze. 1:11:39.960 --> 1:11:43.200 Wowho is that? That is a high compliment. That's like 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:46.680 I left the Blaze four years ago. So yeah, I 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:49.040 started almost ten years ago now, so it's been a 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:50.760 while man. But thank you so much for joining us. 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:55.040 I know you, like me, are in NYC. Your background 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:58.839 book selection that I can see here is more impressive 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.519 than mine, which indicates great. Your square footage in your apartment. 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:04.160 So lucky you, because I'm going stirred and crase you 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.000 over here. But how are you? First off, how are 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:10.439 you doing in lockdown? You know? For me personally, I 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:15.640 don't like going outside. I don't like traveling. I had 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:19.000 all sorts of trips scheduled for March and Abril, and 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:20.960 I was very happy to cancel them. I was going 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:27.400 to Austin, Houston, California, Florida, DC, Winnipeg. All the trips 1:12:27.439 --> 1:12:32.400 are canceled. I'm so grateful, but I do every day. 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:36.280 Just I don't know what it is. I just you know, 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:40.240 just like you, I've been reporting and covering this economic 1:12:40.360 --> 1:12:44.639 lockdown and of course the virus, and it's just horrible. 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:48.800 The effect on society is so much suffering from you know, 1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:51.679 of course, of course the virus, but also the economic 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:55.320 shutdowns effects three hundred million people. And you know, this 1:12:55.400 --> 1:12:58.160 is the world's biggest economy, seven billion people around the world, 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:01.599 And so you know, I think we all, no matter 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:06.480 how we are personally, we all feel we've heard anxiety 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:12.200 of nobody's working, nobody's producing, everyone's scared, everyone's anxious, and 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.920 you know, no one is no one could depend themselves 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:20.280 from that. No matter rich or or sacred healthy, you're 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.639 going to feel the anxiety of the world and moments 1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:25.599 like this. How do you think our leadership so far 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:29.080 has has responded to this? Where do you think the 1:13:29.200 --> 1:13:32.479 balance is. There's obviously the virus in the economy. It 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:35.680 feels like there's been a shift to the recognition that 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:38.840 the economy can't just be something that we stick in 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:41.160 the deep freezer until we decide to thaw it out. 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.000 What do you think about what we've done so far 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:48.559 with this nationwide lockdown? Are you following what Europe has done, 1:13:48.760 --> 1:13:51.439 what different cases have been like there with the nation 1:13:51.520 --> 1:13:53.920 state level, what Sweden has done in their approach, and 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:56.519 how do you gauge all that? Yeah, Buck, it's a 1:13:56.600 --> 1:14:01.000 good question. I've been following everything on up to members. 1:14:01.080 --> 1:14:02.920 I've actually talked to members of the Federal Reserve. The 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:04.720 other day I was talking to the deputy chairman of 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:08.519 the stave O SPAN. I've talked to economists like Tyler 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:13.120 Cohen from Marginal Revolution, other economists. I've talked to the 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:18.040 top epidemiologists and immunologists at Imperial College, which was the 1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:20.240 first one out of all the kind of doom and 1:14:20.320 --> 1:14:25.000 gloom UH scenarios and mathematical novels. So I've been a 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:27.560 little all over the place just trying to figure it 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:31.559 out for my own audience. And I think, I think, 1:14:32.360 --> 1:14:35.439 you know, the economy is not a light switch. You 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:38.400 can't turn it off and then turn it on three 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.560 months later expecting it's just gonna it's gonna be just 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:46.599 as glowing as it was before. We've done something disastrous here. 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:48.880 And you know, you mentioned a lot of countries. Every 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:52.160 single country and play, every every single state in the 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:55.120 United States has had a different strategy for dealing with this. 1:14:55.720 --> 1:14:58.400 And we look at countries like Suiten or the Czech 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:02.080 Republic or Taiwan, three different countries, three different strategies. None 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:04.840 of them did a lockdown. All of them have their 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:08.439 economy returning full force and didn't need, you know, the 1:15:08.520 --> 1:15:12.600 full stimulus that we needed. And I think it's a 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:14.680 shame that we did this economic lockdown when there was 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:19.320 absolutely no data to support it. Sure, by the way, 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:21.639 and this is this is sort of sacrilegious to say, 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:25.360 I'm not even so sure there's data to support social distancing, 1:15:25.439 --> 1:15:28.120 Like you mentioned Sweden. Maybe it's just that they naturally 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:31.000 social distance because they don't really like each other that much. 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:35.280 But they didn't social distance and they're they're coming back fun. 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:37.479 It's not it's not like they were great, and it's 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:39.400 not like they were bad. They weren't the worst in Europe, 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:41.760 but they weren't the best. But I think I think 1:15:41.800 --> 1:15:45.680 this pandemic kind of has its natural course. I mean 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:48.519 you probably remember, like an early February, some of the 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:52.800 initial mathematical models, we're even saying up to one hundred 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:57.519 forty million deaths worldwide, which was insane, Like you know, 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:01.080 this is Singaporean total had I don't know, less than 1:16:01.120 --> 1:16:04.000 a thousand m. You have to say this again, it's 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:08.680 like religion. Every death is horrible. We have to acknowledge that. 1:16:09.080 --> 1:16:12.120 But you know, people die every day from all sorts 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:15.160 of causes. So just setting that aside for a second, 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:20.000 it does up here that even the early data from 1:16:20.040 --> 1:16:22.320 all the initial countries that we were in that the 1:16:22.439 --> 1:16:25.840 virus was in, the early data was suggesting this virus 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:29.200 doubles exponentially three or four times and then starts to 1:16:29.320 --> 1:16:32.080 peak and flatten. There was no way it was gonna 1:16:32.160 --> 1:16:36.559 have a two percent fatality rate World one. And now 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:41.360 all these recent tests Santa Clara, California, Chelsea in Massachusetts, 1:16:41.680 --> 1:16:46.520 other tests are showing that they can te the infectiousness 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.920 of this is probably fifty to eighty five times worse 1:16:50.320 --> 1:16:52.800 than we thought, or greater than we thought, which means 1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:55.960 that the ultimate fatality rate is much lower. The higher 1:16:56.040 --> 1:16:59.559 the infection rate, the lower the fatality rate. Will probably 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:01.920 look at zero point one to zero point three percent 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:04.760 fatality rate in order. In other words, you know, a 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:07.599 flute similar to a flue season of course that you're 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:09.800 not allowed to say. Also, this is similar the flue, 1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:13.280 It's not similar to the flue. The flu affects children 1:17:13.520 --> 1:17:18.519 and kills children. This is affecting elderly's, two different demographic groups. 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.000 So what that means is on the hospitals. Is that 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:23.120 if you end up on a ventilator from this, if 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:26.760 you're elderly, you end up spending more days on the ventilator. Hence, 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:28.640 if we were going to if the hospitals were going 1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:32.000 to be overwhelmed, it could have caused a problem. But 1:17:32.160 --> 1:17:35.760 obviously they weren't overlap whelmed and so that didn't happen. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:38.599 And now they're saying, well, it's because we enacted social 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:42.000 distancing principles who we don't really know, and some states 1:17:42.080 --> 1:17:47.200 that didn't really do anything have barely any cases or deaths. 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:51.559 So you know, to treat every state as if, oh 1:17:51.640 --> 1:17:54.240 my gosh, you're not even allowed to go to the 1:17:54.360 --> 1:17:57.040 grocery store, you know, or else you're going to die. 1:17:57.520 --> 1:18:01.840 That's just ridiculous. And now now question is we're not 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:03.920 coming back to a new normal. We're coming back to 1:18:04.040 --> 1:18:07.680 a new abnormal. This has never happened before. And the 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:11.519 stimulus has been trillions of dollars more than we even 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.040 did in the massive stimulus in two thousand and eight, 1:18:14.080 --> 1:18:16.439 two thousands. So what do you foresee that doing, James, 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:18.840 what do you see that doing to the economy? I mean, 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:23.200 we're now seeing hundreds of billions of dollars thrown into 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:28.000 congressional spending bills. We can't even keep up with it. 1:18:28.080 --> 1:18:29.840 I mean it was a couple it was a few 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:32.040 trillion dollars, and now they've added it was going to 1:18:32.120 --> 1:18:34.000 be two hundred and fifty billion, and then it was 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:36.719 three hundred billion, and now it's close to half a trillion. 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:39.200 You know, four hundred something billion was the final tally. 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:41.760 And Chuck Schumer's already saying there's going to be at 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:44.800 apart three or apart four to this whole thing. At 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:47.200 what point have we how do we know as a government, 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:50.040 as a country we've spent too much money? What does 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:52.400 that feel like? What does that look like? Yeah, that's 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:55.439 a great question because because there's going to be of 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:57.080 a point, it's not likely in two thousand and eight, 1:18:57.120 --> 1:19:00.280 two thousand and nine, where there wasn't a sudden afore 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:04.840 and after, like it wasn't like the economy was bad 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:06.479 in two thousand and eight and then as soon as 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:10.040 the stimulus was passed and it was good, it was 1:19:10.280 --> 1:19:13.080 it was the economy never was closed then, So the 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:16.479 economy went from bad to having some stimulus to them 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:20.120 becoming good. But right now we're all being forced all 1:19:20.360 --> 1:19:23.080 literally at gunpoint, like they'll arrest you if you don't 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:27.639 if you if you, you know, go outside without a mask, 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:32.920 or don't obey proper social distancing. So sooner or later 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:35.559 they're going to reopen the economy all across the US, 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:38.280 and then at the same time, the stimulus is going 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:40.479 to be hitting. We've never had an experience like that 1:19:40.560 --> 1:19:43.840 where everybody sort of walks out of their home and 1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:47.719 sees daylight and money is just showering down from the sky. 1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:51.200 And of course there's a risk of hyper inflation. But 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:54.280 right now we're in a deflationary period because there's zero demand. 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:58.599 So the price of pretty much everything now is between 1:19:58.680 --> 1:20:01.600 twenty to one hundred percent and below what it was. 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:05.200 So we're in a massive deflationary scenario that's been forced 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:07.920 on us. But it's going to change as soon as 1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:11.639 we leave and as soon as economy reopens. We don't 1:20:11.640 --> 1:20:13.680 really know what prices are going to look like now. 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:17.920 To your point, on a macroeconomic level, the fortunate thing 1:20:17.960 --> 1:20:21.000 we have, it's both fortunate and unfortunate, but there's such 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.760 huge demand for the US dollar. The US dollar is 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:27.240 the flight to safety for the wealthy in China, the 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:29.640 wealthy in the Middle East, the wealthy in Europe. That 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:32.960 that keeps naturally our interest rates low, and it keeps 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:36.479 people buying other countries buying our debt, so that sort 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:40.760 of avoids too much inflationary pressure. But an economy is 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:44.440 only as good as the goods and services it produces. 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:47.479 People pay for those goods and services and dollars, and 1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:50.320 that's why the dollar is valuable because advise us goods 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:54.439 and services. But ultimately, if you're just going a trillion 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:56.880 dollars a month out there and you're not producing any 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:00.720 goods and services, sooner or later everyone's in around and say, well, 1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:03.600 why are we Why are we giving so many of 1:21:03.880 --> 1:21:05.960 munch of our currents get a dollar, the dollars sort 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:09.920 of worthless. Now, what will avoid that the story of 1:21:09.960 --> 1:21:14.400 the economy reopens the better. Every month we wait, the 1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:20.439 economy comes closer and closer to the twilight zone where 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:23.280 we don't really understand what's going to happen next. If 1:21:23.320 --> 1:21:27.800 the economy would open this morning, we can probably start 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:31.160 to guess what industries are going to fail, what industries 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.400 are going to succeed, and we'll come back to some 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:36.760 sort of normal. The short term stimulus will kick in. 1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:41.719 That's the direct to your bank account, twelve hundred dollars 1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:43.880 checks that are going to everybody, and the p P 1:21:44.000 --> 1:21:45.880 loans that are going to small businesses. That's the short 1:21:46.000 --> 1:21:49.559 term stimulus. The long term stimulus is the FED rate 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:52.519 cuts and now I'll kick in. Let's stay within twelve months. 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:55.479 So we have short and long term stimulus that will 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:58.360 beep up the economy. And the whope is that we 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:03.040 didn't miscalculate and rely on the kindness of others too 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:06.200 much to support our dollar, and you know, hopefully the 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:08.320 economy comes back and tact. James, I want to come 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.479 back and talk about how this situation is changing, not 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:15.479 just obviously the economy, but life going forward. We mentioned, 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:18.400 you know, the new abnormal or what's and I want 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:20.439 to also take a look back and see what have 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.200 we learned about life, perhaps that we used to think 1:22:23.320 --> 1:22:25.280 was true that was not. I saw a thread you 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:27.240 had on this I thought was really interesting. We'll come 1:22:27.280 --> 1:22:31.400 back with James al Tutor, podcaster, author, entrepreneur, investor. In 1:22:31.479 --> 1:22:36.519 just a second, you're in the Freedom Hunt. This is 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:44.520 the Buck Sexton Show podcast. Okay, we're back with James Altucher. 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:49.479 He is a hedge fund manager, author, podcaster, book and 1:22:49.920 --> 1:22:53.320 his book Choose Yourself and many books, many podcasts, many things. 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:57.000 Mister mister al Tucher, Jack of all trades, James of 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:02.120 all trades, Yeah, Dilton everything, master of nothing. Yeah. Well 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:04.280 we have the same first name technically, so that that 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:06.519 speaks well to you. So let me let me ask 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.759 about what you had A threat. I found really interesting 1:23:09.880 --> 1:23:11.360 and I think some of these some of this audience 1:23:11.439 --> 1:23:12.840 is really going to agree with it, and they're gonna 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:14.600 probably going to disagree with someone. But that's great. We 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:17.599 like we like to spark ideas here and spark debate 1:23:18.479 --> 1:23:22.400 myths that we have learned as a function of this lockdown, 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:25.120 myths about ourselves and about society. I just what are 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:26.840 some of the myths, you know, the top ones, I know, 1:23:26.920 --> 1:23:28.960 I get a whole bunch. Well, I think that I 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:32.400 think there was this myth that we have to be 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:37.240 in a location to work or to learn. Like look, 1:23:37.560 --> 1:23:41.040 you know, it's clear now the tide has come in 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:45.200 and the first institution post group of institution standing naked 1:23:45.360 --> 1:23:50.759 are institutions of higher learning. Colleges like colleges were charging 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:54.599 seventy thousand a year, and suddenly they said, oh, by 1:23:54.640 --> 1:23:56.439 the way, we were you could just go home and 1:23:56.600 --> 1:24:00.559 learn by yourselves. Well, we're keeping the money. Don't worry 1:24:00.600 --> 1:24:02.880 about it. You'll get your degree, but just go home 1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:05.720 and play with your little friends, bother your parents, get 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:08.639 your grandparents sick. You get out of the dorm rooms, 1:24:08.720 --> 1:24:11.679 by the way, because we don't want your petrie dish 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.600 of disease affecting our dorm rooms. But don't ask for 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:18.320 your rent back because that money is ours now business 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:21.519 one on one. We took that money from you, and 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:25.120 possession is nine tenths of the law. So I don't know, 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:29.200 Like everybody's leaving college and the supposing course online. I've 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:31.439 seen some of these online courses. I would rather take 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:35.240 a course for ten dollars on Corsarah or LinkedIn Learning 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:39.439 orcan Academy. Like, why did anybody pay seventy thousand a 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:42.400 year for four years to learn to get a degree? 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:47.000 That says, oh, I learned East Asian studies, Like it's particulous. Well, well, 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:50.280 they're credential they're really credentialing their credentialing programs, which is 1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:52.160 especially I think that's been better known for a long 1:24:52.240 --> 1:24:55.080 time about some of the more flimsy master's programs in 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:57.960 the humanities. But now people are realizing, well, it's like 1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:00.280 an arms race, right If everybody has a four year 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.320 liberal arts degree of some kind, the value in the 1:25:03.439 --> 1:25:06.160 marketplace of just having that degree is not the same 1:25:06.240 --> 1:25:08.280 as it used to be. No. I mean in this 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:12.720 already you're seeing, you know, skills and ideas are the 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:17.719 currency of the twenty first century, not a degree from whatever, 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:21.120 you know school. And I'm gonna talking right up to Harvard. 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:23.640 Like Harvard, there's always a credential ang where there's some 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:27.240 status things, so other people who they did their higher 1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:31.320 status will hire you. But Harvard they just took they 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.000 have a forty one billion dollars endowment, you know, until 1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:36.639 they were kind of caught, right, and they they took 1:25:36.760 --> 1:25:40.120 nine million dollars from the last stimulus package, supposedly to 1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:43.720 give to students leading financial Trump says they're going to 1:25:43.800 --> 1:25:47.080 give it back. By the way, he said that earlier 1:25:47.120 --> 1:25:49.200 the week. Guess what the head of the Harvard endowment 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:54.080 makes per year? He makes Guess what nine million dollars. Oh, 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:58.560 it's a payment protection program. Let's protect the pay of 1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:01.840 one employee guy who runs all of our money. So 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:05.400 it's just you know, that's that's a big em And 1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:08.519 then there is the myth that you can't work remotely 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:11.439 and be productive. You know, right now, I think anything 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:14.160 with the word of remote in it is going to 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:18.280 be supercharged. And there's both upside and downside to that. 1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:20.880 We're going to be able to be more flexible about 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:23.720 our work hours, more flexible about where we work, more 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:26.920 flexible about travel. But at the same time, you have 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:29.559 to ask, what's going to happen to commercial real estate? 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:31.400 And by the way, not that we have to care 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.280 that much, but everything in the economy is linked. So 1:26:34.640 --> 1:26:36.840 we Work clearly is going to go out of business 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:39.559 after this, Like there they are bankrupt and soft Bank 1:26:39.680 --> 1:26:41.960 hold the plot on funding. So we were is the 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.680 biggest lee se I don't know what you call it. 1:26:45.920 --> 1:26:47.960 They rent the most wars in New York City of 1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:52.800 any other company. So if you own a skyscraper in 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:55.320 New York City and you're heavily leveraged and you have 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.160 to make your own mortgage payments, and WE Work suddenly 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:02.120 disappears and they rented eight floors in your building, you 1:27:02.240 --> 1:27:04.439 might be out of business. You can't just replace them 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:08.680 the next day with a renter. So and that's we were. 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:10.679 And then there's all the restaurants store funds. Not every 1:27:10.760 --> 1:27:14.080 restaurant is coming back to business in urban areas and 1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:16.800 maybe all over the country. So this you know, ten 1:27:16.880 --> 1:27:19.920 million restaurants on average day at sixteen days of cash 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.160 in the bank. Restaurants are out of business in this 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:24.800 country right now. And so now, yes they'll be helped 1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:27.559 by the stimulus package, but guess what. The stimulus package 1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:31.360 at least initially went to the Shape Shacks and Ruth 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:34.760 Chris steakhouses of the world. And this mom and pop 1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:38.120 small restaurants are out of business. I know because all 1:27:38.160 --> 1:27:41.040 the go fund I own a local store park business 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:43.240 in New York City. All I see all the local 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:46.120 goal fund these being you know, from the employees of 1:27:46.120 --> 1:27:48.760 all the different restaurants and business restaurants, but that you 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:51.760 and I have even been to, and there are a 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:53.280 lot of business So what are going to happen to 1:27:53.360 --> 1:27:56.200 those buildings? We're no longer getting in fifteen to twenty 1:27:56.240 --> 1:27:59.200 thousand dollars in rent a month that those restaurants were getting. 1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:02.599 So commercial real estate is gonna collapse. And we're gonna 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:06.560 have like a mini financial collapse after we reopened the 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:10.120 economy just on the basis of that. So, you know, 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:11.559 I think I think a lot of things are going 1:28:11.600 --> 1:28:14.040 to be both good in that, you know, will reopen 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:17.000 the economy, people will have an opportunity to really decide 1:28:17.000 --> 1:28:19.080 what they want to do. They've probably changed habits so 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:21.519 they didn't spend as much, they they go out as much. 1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:23.960 Hopefully they'll start spending and going out again, but some 1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.320 people won't and that might be a good thing for them. 1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:29.640 But the other thing is, you know, it's gonna be 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:33.360 quickly everything that was going to eventually happen, like they denies. Yeah, 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:36.680 they've accelerated. They've accelerated to clean the cleaning out of 1:28:36.720 --> 1:28:38.720 a lot of the economy in ways that's gonna be 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:41.760 very tough. Everybody. James al Tutor podcast or author. Check 1:28:41.800 --> 1:28:44.439 out a show that James al Tutor Show and we're 1:28:44.520 --> 1:28:47.400 back in a second. Thanks for listening to The Bus 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:51.560 Sesson Show podcasts. Remember to subscribe on Apple podcasts, the 1:28:51.640 --> 1:28:55.760 iHeart Radio app, or wherever you get your podcasts. It 1:28:56.000 --> 1:28:59.000 is time for roll Call. Thank you so much everybody 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:02.439 for writing it. I always appreciate it. It helps us 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:04.479 out to hear from all of you across the country 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:07.320 and let us know what's what's going on with all 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:10.599 of the things all of you, so as always, thank 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:13.479 you so much for that. Let's get to it, shall we. Well, 1:29:13.479 --> 1:29:15.400 first of all, let's check in with our friend, producer Mark, 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:17.519 Producer Mark, how are you doing? What's What's at the 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:19.720 top of the Netflix queue? How's how's life in the 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:22.080 penalty box? But the home penalty box. There's a lot 1:29:22.120 --> 1:29:23.800 of questions there. I'm not really sure how to how 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:25.559 to go there. Yeah, you just you take him as 1:29:25.640 --> 1:29:27.280 as you as they call me, take them as you want. 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:29.720 I'm doing well, you know, I'm into a routine of 1:29:29.800 --> 1:29:33.080 doing absolutely nothing and then coming and doing the show. Right. 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:35.200 Thank god, we actually have a show to do every day. 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:37.479 I mean, I've always been thankful for this show. But like, 1:29:37.760 --> 1:29:40.360 if I wasn't doing this, let's let's say that, you know, 1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.800 there was a government ban on all home media for 1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:45.400 some reason, which would be crazy, but I'm just saying 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:47.320 if nobody was allowed to work from home, even doing 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:51.000 media stuff, I would I'd go nuts, man. I would 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:53.160 have read three or four books in the first like 1:29:53.280 --> 1:29:55.519 week or two of quarantine, and then I would have 1:29:55.560 --> 1:29:57.920 just been I don't know. There's only so much cooking 1:29:57.960 --> 1:29:59.639 you can do to do too, because I cook food 1:29:59.680 --> 1:30:01.000 that's to issues and then I want to eat it 1:30:01.360 --> 1:30:02.920 and I'm going to turn into job of the Buck. 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:06.320 So they're limitations. Yeah, I'm going nuts. Even with spending 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.160 what eight hours or so on the show every day, 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:11.160 it feels like you consume my life now, Buck, it's 1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:12.800 all I do. I know. I know you can say 1:30:12.800 --> 1:30:16.400 a priest of Mark, I complete you. I'm not going 1:30:16.479 --> 1:30:21.240 that far. Buck. It's all right with Tululah. Man. I 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:24.200 gotta say, I've never been so thankful to have a 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:27.400 little a little furry, a little furry companion. You know, 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:29.400 it's just nice to have. I mean, if I didn't 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:31.840 have her, all I've got here is a plant. Uh 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:33.880 and it's not a it's not a plant that I 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:37.680 think is you know, gonna be hopefully it lasts through 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:39.599 this pandemic. I'm not great at keeping a plant alive. 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:41.960 The dog, I'm very good at feeding because if I don't, 1:30:42.000 --> 1:30:45.439 she she lets me know that my culinary efforts are 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:47.120 not up to par. And no one will think you're 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:49.280 going crazy because you're talking to the dog, not to yourself. 1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:51.840 That's that's true too. I mean I do talk to 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:54.160 the dog a lot. Now, I will say that occasionally, 1:30:54.160 --> 1:30:55.639 I have to make sure that the mic is often 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:58.680 here because I find myself making up songs to sing 1:30:58.760 --> 1:31:01.320 to the dog. Like that's how you know those old 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:03.519 videos where they got guys who were in prison, and 1:31:03.600 --> 1:31:07.080 they'll be like, you know, twenty five bottles of beer 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:09.000 on the wall. You know, there's all that. I'm kind 1:31:09.040 --> 1:31:11.080 of a dad phase, except I'm singing songs to the 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.519 dog just out of curiosity. Do you think I just 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:15.320 sit here in my living room and listen to see 1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:18.200 if I can hear you all day? No, but I'm 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.320 just paranoid. If anybody heard me singing, they'd be like, 1:31:20.360 --> 1:31:22.439 I think this guy's out of his mind. It's a 1:31:22.520 --> 1:31:24.360 good point. I'd be more worried about your neighbors than 1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:27.599 the microphone though. Yeah, that's that's that's definitely true. Um, 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:29.960 you know the neighbors that I've got a neighbor upstairs 1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:32.200 and he does cough sometimes, and I'll tell you this, 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:35.200 I hear that cough and I go, oh boy, oh boy, 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:38.320 cough For a loud basse from upstairs because I have 1:31:38.439 --> 1:31:41.280 the basse problem. What is it with people not understanding 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:44.679 the bass travels right through floors and walls and ceilings, 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:47.439 and someone very disruptive like I have a sound bar. 1:31:47.800 --> 1:31:50.080 I turned the bass off because I didn't want to 1:31:50.120 --> 1:31:52.400 annoy my neighbors. I will tell you that I had 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:55.160 a very terset exchange with the neighbor in the Freedom Hut, 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:57.840 or he's a neighbor to the Freedom Hut, I should say. 1:31:58.120 --> 1:32:01.320 And I had to go downstairs, and initially he wanted 1:32:01.360 --> 1:32:04.040 me to do the whole well was it just loud 1:32:04.200 --> 1:32:06.479 ten minutes ago or twenty minutes ago? And I just 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:10.599 was like, dude, it's too blanking loud. I don't want 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:12.080 to have to come down here again. You know. It's 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:14.439 one of those conversations. So yeah, I'd just let my 1:32:14.560 --> 1:32:16.960 landlord deal with it. It's probably and right now I 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:18.800 don't want to go talk to random people, you know, 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:20.920 with a mask on all that. Yeah, I mean, I really, 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:23.120 I I'm just lucky that he didn't probably look at 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:25.080 me and say, oh, I'm sorry my music was too loud. 1:32:26.760 --> 1:32:28.439 It's all he said. All you have to do right 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:31.360 now are running I'm gonna say that. Look, if someone 1:32:31.439 --> 1:32:33.080 comes up to you on the street, especially in New York, 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:34.840 because we're not really allowed to be armed at all, 1:32:34.920 --> 1:32:37.680 which is appalling, but we're not. If someone comes up 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:38.519 to you on the street and they say, you know, 1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:41.519 give me all your money, you you let off a real, 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.519 a real hacking cough in their face. Well hopefully if 1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:45.880 they they don't want to do this they have a gun, 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:48.360 because that might end up very badly. But they're they're 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:50.559 just threatening to like beat you up, they'll probably run away. 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.280 I wouldn't. I wouldn't fight somebody who was coughing right now. 1:32:53.280 --> 1:32:55.639 I don't care what the circumstances were. I don't think 1:32:55.640 --> 1:32:58.640 i'd fight somebody who was coughing period anytime, Yeah, but 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:05.160 particularly now. Yes, all right, Graham rights on the subway 1:33:05.680 --> 1:33:09.439 spread thesis, which makes sense to me? Are we seeing? Oh? Yes, Graham. 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:11.800 This was written about, by the way, last Wednesday in 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:14.240 the New York Post. That is actually where the story 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:16.240 was broken. Just in case any of you were wondering. 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:20.920 It was a New York Post story about an MIT study, 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:23.760 and I cited the author here on the show, and 1:33:23.880 --> 1:33:25.760 I thank I want a hat tip and thank the 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:29.439 New York Post for putting that story out there so 1:33:29.600 --> 1:33:34.479 that we could all use the spread this academic research 1:33:34.800 --> 1:33:36.800 far and wide in a way that is useful for 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:39.960 the national and ongoing conversation. So high five New York 1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:43.639 Post hat tip. But yes, you're right. Are we seeing 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:46.280 similar issues in San Francisco or other cities with high 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:51.200 utilization of public transit? Chicago, Seattle, etc. I know, no 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:53.759 US city really comparison to New York City, but aren't 1:33:53.800 --> 1:33:58.640 there a few that kind of do? We are not 1:33:58.920 --> 1:34:01.760 seeing it yet what I understand, But remember, the New 1:34:01.840 --> 1:34:06.559 York City Subway is in a category by itself. When 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.080 you look at the numbers and the frequency of ridership, 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:12.240 there's nothing that's even close across the nation. I mean, 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:17.479 it really is between it's a few million rides a day, 1:34:18.280 --> 1:34:21.880 a few million. Think about that. It's someone like me 1:34:22.200 --> 1:34:23.720 for a while there at the beginning of this year, 1:34:23.760 --> 1:34:25.439 I was in the subway four times a day. I mean, 1:34:25.479 --> 1:34:27.000 producer Mark will tell you I was actually on the 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:30.479 subway four separate trips a day. So we because because 1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:33.200 if you try to drive around Manhattan, if you if 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:35.160 you're on any kind of a time crunch schedule, you're 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:36.680 just going to sit in traffic all day. I mean, 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:40.679 I've for hits for a different cable, for cable news shows. 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.600 I'll tell you a little bit of insidery stuff. You know, 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:45.240 they send a I mean, this isn't like cool insidery stuff, 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:46.760 but they'll send a car for you. Usually that's the 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:48.800 one perk if you're unpaid, which most of the people 1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:51.679 you see on TV are not by these big cable networks, 1:34:51.760 --> 1:34:53.120 or a lot of the people I should say are not. 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:55.760 The host obviously are, and the correspondence are. If they 1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:57.960 call someone a contributor, that means they're getting paid. If 1:34:58.000 --> 1:34:59.760 you're just a guest, they're like, hey, it's buck, let's 1:34:59.840 --> 1:35:03.160 let talk. But you know, you could sit in a 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:05.880 car from my from my house to Fox News, you 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:09.840 can walk in fifteen minutes or so, or you could 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:11.760 sit in a car and it might take it thirty 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:14.439 minutes to get there, maybe forty. I mean, it's really 1:35:14.560 --> 1:35:16.360 can mean you could just get stuck and stuck. So 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:17.920 that's why it runs on the subway all the time. 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:22.040 I have not seen any data looking at other cities 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:24.680 and their spread, but I just know off the top 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.040 of my head that there's nowhere else. I mean, the 1:35:27.160 --> 1:35:30.320 DC Metro is like a tiny fraction of the New 1:35:30.400 --> 1:35:33.240 York City metro system. And because it's a tiny fraction, 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:34.640 you have to remember the dead. You know that that 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:41.320 MIT study published in the New York Post was pointing 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:44.080 out that it's it's about the density on the subway 1:35:44.160 --> 1:35:46.479 car as well as the duration of the subway ride. 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:48.840 Then look, maybe the theory is wrong, and you know 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:50.559 what I'll do. I'm gonna look around. I'm sure there's 1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:52.479 some theories now trying to debunk it out there, and 1:35:52.520 --> 1:35:55.000 maybe it is debunked in some way. But it certainly 1:35:55.080 --> 1:35:56.880 makes sense when you look at the hotspots. And I've 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:59.080 been talking about the subway along as a major problem here, 1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:00.880 and there's a reason why producer Mark and I both 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:03.240 started stand off a mass transit when this thing really 1:36:03.280 --> 1:36:05.840 spiral out of control. But so the instagram is I 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:07.880 gonna look into it. I I don't have a good 1:36:07.920 --> 1:36:12.559 answer for you, JJ. I just want to say something 1:36:12.560 --> 1:36:16.760 about the whole snitch sitch in Garcettiville. As of a 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:18.600 year ago, the city of Los Angeles was running a 1:36:18.680 --> 1:36:21.080 one billion dollar deficit, Yet somehow he thinks he can 1:36:21.120 --> 1:36:24.120 afford to pay people to rat on those who aren't 1:36:24.439 --> 1:36:28.360 properly social distancing. I mean, the taxes on pot sales 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:32.040 are approximately fifty percent, but I have no idea how 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:35.479 he intends to put this bill. Also, I don't know 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:38.120 if you have heard about this, but Garcetti has simply 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:41.400 started taking over hotel properties and using them for the homeless. 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:45.600 I have heard about that. Furthermore, Comrade Newsome, I like 1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:49.559 this guy JJ. Comrade Newsome has also started shaming other 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:52.320 cities and counties for not following his example. While I 1:36:52.400 --> 1:36:55.240 lived near Los Angeles, the hotel I work at, thankfully 1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.880 is still in Orange County and has not yet been 1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:02.800 endangered by this reckless, fiscally irresponsible policy. Given that the 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:05.879 situation does not fall under eminent domain, How can Garcetti 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:09.800 or anyone else justify this seizure of property? Who will 1:37:09.880 --> 1:37:13.040 pay to have the hotel staff and police, who will 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.640 pay to have the properties deep cleaned and sanitized sterilized 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:18.360 if they can actually evict the homeless squatters after the 1:37:18.439 --> 1:37:22.360 crisis abates. I'm a born and raised Californian, but I 1:37:22.439 --> 1:37:24.800 am seriously fed up. Sadly, I'm not in a position 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:26.599 financially to be able to move. But we'll definitely start 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:28.840 a fun toward that goal as soon as maybe. Well, JJ, 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:30.920 you've always got a home in the hut, my friend. Great, 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:33.240 great note, Thank you so much for writing into us. 1:37:34.080 --> 1:37:35.920 And I don't have answer. You're asking great questions. I 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:42.640 don't have answers. I don't pretend unlike some other smarmy, 1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:46.519 self important and nasty radio hosts, I don't pretend to 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:48.160 have all the answers. I just have a lot of them. 1:37:49.120 --> 1:37:53.479 And as for Garcetti and how he's gonna justify this, 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:55.680 we're seeing a lot of government power that's taken into 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.080 people's hands right now. We're The only justification is because 1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:01.720 I said so. That should be troubling for people. That's 1:38:01.720 --> 1:38:04.160 a troubling precedent for the government to set, isn't it. 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:06.160 We should think of this and think of what it 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:09.160 really means when the government can do that. It is 1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:14.360 a concern that we should all share. You're in the 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:17.840 Freedom Hunt. This is the Buck Sex and Show podcast. 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:25.120 All right, more roll call justin Hey there, Bucking Mark. 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:27.320 The interview with Jack Carr the other day got me 1:38:27.439 --> 1:38:30.800 thinking of comments you've made several times buck, you really 1:38:30.880 --> 1:38:33.560 need to get your pistol permit Livy in Massachusetts. I 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:35.680 know it's not always an easy process, but that is 1:38:35.760 --> 1:38:39.080 definitely by design. Like so many other lib tactics, they 1:38:39.120 --> 1:38:41.960 actually use the process as the punishment. Suck it up 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:43.880 and get it done. You'll thank me later, I promise. 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:47.000 Stay healthy and safe in lockdown. Justin, you're one hundred 1:38:47.000 --> 1:38:49.640 percent correct, and I don't have a good excuse. My 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:52.280 excuse is that the process is the punishment. I can 1:38:52.400 --> 1:38:54.800 tell you that when I moved from DC to New 1:38:54.920 --> 1:38:59.280 York this past summer, I did print out the New 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:02.960 York City still permit application and was and then I 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:05.120 just got distracted and I was like, I don't have 1:39:05.200 --> 1:39:06.760 time for this right now. But I mean I've been 1:39:06.840 --> 1:39:09.680 thinking about it. I know people who have successfully done it. 1:39:09.760 --> 1:39:12.479 It is possible. It's really just a premise. Permit to 1:39:12.560 --> 1:39:15.760 get your concealed carry here is very complicated and not 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:18.360 easy to do and usually gets denied unless you're connected, 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:24.360 unless you're somebody who's you know, hooked up. So yeah, uh, 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:27.080 that's where that's where it's out, my friend. You're correct, Justin, 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:28.880 I should I should have a pistol permit here in 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:32.280 New York City, and when I do, which won't really 1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:33.960 be able to happen because I'm not I don't think 1:39:33.960 --> 1:39:35.639 I'm gonna wait in a long line at one Police 1:39:35.680 --> 1:39:38.040 Plaza right now to although maybe there are no lines 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:39.800 at one Police Maybe it's like the easiest time ever. 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:43.000 One Police Plaza is the big NYPD headquarters here. It 1:39:43.200 --> 1:39:47.320 looks like something that was built as like the KGB's 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:52.400 interrogation headquarters. It's the ugliest, ugliest building you've ever seen 1:39:52.439 --> 1:39:56.599 in your life. Definitely not our deco as our Tribeca 1:39:56.680 --> 1:39:59.360 headquarters for I Hard Media is, which producer Mark pointed 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:01.800 out sometime go because he's apparently on the side an 1:40:01.880 --> 1:40:06.360 architecture enthusiast. Yeah, big architecture enthusiast, even though the only 1:40:06.439 --> 1:40:09.040 architecture I see right now is the inside of my 1:40:09.120 --> 1:40:13.280 apartment building. Well, what do you do you have any 1:40:13.320 --> 1:40:15.360 kind of a yeah, gotta you gotta view? Can you see? 1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:17.639 Can you see water? So? Yeah, there's like a swamp, 1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:20.120 and so do you have do you have meadow lands 1:40:20.200 --> 1:40:22.240 kind of you you know that, yeah, metal lands type 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:24.080 of view. And I can get a lot of train horns. 1:40:24.120 --> 1:40:26.360 You would be you would be driven nuts because there's 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:28.720 a train horner in every five to ten minutes. When 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:31.080 I lived in college, I I when I where I 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:35.479 was in college for one year was fifty yards from 1:40:35.520 --> 1:40:41.479 an active railroad track. And you know why they blow 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:46.160 the horn? There's no gate crossing here. It drives me nuts. Yeah, 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:48.400 I don't, I don't know. They just do it. I guess, 1:40:48.439 --> 1:40:50.479 you know. I look, if you're a train engineer, and 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.479 I'm sure like everything, there's always like a train engineer list, 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:55.519 there's always somebody who's an actual expert on whatever I'm 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:58.759 talking about. Listening to this show. Um, I'll never forget 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:01.800 when I like miss when I misidentified an aspect of 1:41:02.000 --> 1:41:04.400 like Wiccan theology, I got a long email about that. 1:41:05.280 --> 1:41:07.519 Not messing with the Wickens. Lee folks are all great. 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:10.840 Just I just didn't know. But you know, the a 1:41:10.920 --> 1:41:12.799 train engineer, I feel like, if you're the train engineer, 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:15.479 come on, you know you're gonna want to go, you know, man, 1:41:15.720 --> 1:41:17.479 you know, it's it's like being a it's you know 1:41:17.520 --> 1:41:19.519 what you and you ask a trucker to hit the 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:21.000 horn for you when you're a kid, you know, to 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:23.320 do the big horn whatever? You what do you call 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:28.360 that thing. I don't know, the horn or just the horn. Yeah, yeah, 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:30.400 you know, that's I think. If you're a train engineer, 1:41:30.479 --> 1:41:32.600 you just want to let it rip right, sure, but 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:34.960 can you do it somewhere else? Again, it's the busiest 1:41:35.000 --> 1:41:37.680 corridor of rail travel in the country, But you know, 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:39.559 do it somewhere else, not in near an apartment building. 1:41:39.840 --> 1:41:41.280 You may or may not. I think I've talked to 1:41:41.479 --> 1:41:43.240 this before here, but you may. I don't know that 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:45.519 I've gone on. I've gone deep down the rabbit hole 1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:51.120 of why we have backup machine sound all over the country. 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:54.479 This you know, beep beep beep. Now we all have 1:41:54.560 --> 1:41:57.120 to hear all the time, and sometimes it'll be for 1:41:58.160 --> 1:42:01.439 like the equivalent of like an door Zamboni machine or something. 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:04.160 It's going like three miles an hour. No one's going 1:42:04.200 --> 1:42:05.840 to get hit by this thing, but they still have 1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:09.320 to because of the ocean. It's an OSHA regulation Occupational 1:42:09.960 --> 1:42:15.080 Safety Hazard Administration, or whatever the actual acronym is, And 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:17.960 it stretches back to the seventies when someone came up 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:20.280 with this idea that we all have to have these noisemakers. 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.320 Do you know what ends up happening in most cases? 1:42:22.360 --> 1:42:25.400 When someone actually is is hit by a car or 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:27.080 a truck that's backing up. You know what, They find 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:29.679 out that the person heard the noise, but they're seriously 1:42:29.720 --> 1:42:32.599 hearing it. They didn't pay attention, so it doesn't matter. 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:36.960 This is this is anyway, I'll never forget. When I 1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:39.680 was in college, this kid was a hero. This kid 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:42.519 was a hero when I was in college. They because 1:42:42.520 --> 1:42:45.640 Amherst was very progressive and very left wing. And I 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:47.960 lived right right on the town Green there, so I 1:42:48.000 --> 1:42:49.639 lived near the train tracks one time. Then I lived 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:53.000 near the town Green, which was very fancy, but it 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:54.519 was all college housing. But I mean, it was the 1:42:54.600 --> 1:42:56.840 nice part of the college to live in. But there 1:42:56.960 --> 1:43:00.120 was a cross a crosswalk thing that would do the 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:06.600 like you have twenty seconds to cross nineteen eighteen. It 1:43:06.680 --> 1:43:09.719 was the dumbest thing and it would go twenty four second. 1:43:09.720 --> 1:43:12.360 That elite makes sense because blind people need to be 1:43:12.439 --> 1:43:15.280 able to cross the street. Ah. Now I feel like 1:43:15.400 --> 1:43:20.640 Seinfeld when he's saying that, you know, college thanks. Now 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:22.800 I feel like a jerk. But I'm just saying I 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:26.080 remember some kids and I'm sure they were hungover, and 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:28.400 you know they and it was you know, or actually 1:43:28.400 --> 1:43:30.040 they were drunk, not hungover, but it was the middle 1:43:30.040 --> 1:43:31.880 of the night. I remember seeing them from my window 1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:33.799 and I knew who they were. They were lacrosse players 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:36.120 to this. Well, this one kid, actually the other kid 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:37.800 was standing in the corner and he ran across the 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:41.600 street with a golf putter and just just maul the 1:43:41.680 --> 1:43:44.960 little you know you have nineteens, like just just bashed 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:51.040 the thing in. It was like, whoa, So the lax bros. Oh, 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.680 the lax bros are crazy, crazy bunch. But man, I 1:43:53.800 --> 1:43:55.680 slept so much better for the few weeks it took 1:43:55.720 --> 1:43:57.799 them to actually come back with you know, town services 1:43:57.840 --> 1:44:00.800 to fix that thing. It was fantastic, fantastic and a 1:44:00.880 --> 1:44:03.320 bunch of people couldn't cross the street. There were no 1:44:03.479 --> 1:44:06.519 fatalities in the crosswalk. There were like ten people living 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:09.960 in the town. But yeah, now I didn't think about 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:12.560 thanks produiser, Mark, I didn't think about that aspect of it. 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:17.800 All Right, Bill, sir, where will you be in North 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:20.439 Carolina for your speech? I would like to attend and 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:22.519 pass the word amongst my people really enjoy your show. 1:44:22.680 --> 1:44:25.280 Bill the speech, assuming that we're allowed to hold it 1:44:25.479 --> 1:44:27.720 by state regulation, which we think we will, but that 1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:30.240 is that is an if. Right now, We'll be in 1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:33.559 Craven County, Craven County, North Carolina, So that's where I'll 1:44:33.560 --> 1:44:35.439 be giving a speech and I hope everybody will show up. 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:39.320 Craven County GOP will be hosting, and we're just gonna 1:44:39.320 --> 1:44:41.840 be quite an event. Man. We're gonna oh, We're gonna 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:46.080 let it rip. That night, Eric Buck reading Porter's article 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:49.879 in American Consequences left me reminiscing on early investiment hour episode. 1:44:49.960 --> 1:44:52.599 Still a great show with Dan Ferris, but to be honest, 1:44:52.640 --> 1:44:54.960 the Porter Buck combo was about as epic as podcast. 1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:58.120 Get any chance you could get Porter on for an interview, Eric, 1:44:58.160 --> 1:45:00.479 I'm gonna tell you this is the truth. During this 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:03.000 show and one and one of our breaks, I got 1:45:03.080 --> 1:45:05.120 a text from my man, Porter Stansbury, because you know 1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:07.200 we talk all the time, and I said, Porter, we 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:09.479 gotta get you on this show. So the answer is yes, 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:13.640 and I'm not I swear I got it before you 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:16.479 even asked. So we must have some kind of mind 1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:19.000 meld here or something. We'll get Porter Stansbury on and 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:20.960 we'll do a longer form with him too. I hope 1:45:21.000 --> 1:45:22.840 you've all been producer mark. Where should people go to 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:27.080 hear the podcast extras to watch our videos, Please tell 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:29.320 them where to promote the things. The podcast extras are 1:45:29.360 --> 1:45:31.519 the same place you get this podcast. It'll come into 1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:36.120 the same RSS feeds, so everywhere iTunes excuse me, Apple Podcast, 1:45:36.479 --> 1:45:39.760 our radio app, Spotify, all that, and on YouTube it'll 1:45:39.800 --> 1:45:42.680 be YouTube dot com, slash Buck Sexum there we go. 1:45:43.160 --> 1:45:47.120 Please subscribe. Also share what we're putting out there so 1:45:47.240 --> 1:45:49.280 people can see it. Tell other family members. That's a 1:45:49.320 --> 1:45:52.519 great way to expand Team Buck and we really appreciate 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:55.200 it every time you can do that. And yeah, we're 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:57.400 gonna be doing some long form with Porter. We had 1:45:57.720 --> 1:46:00.960 we have James al Tucca. Today, we have we had 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:02.920 Ted NuGen. We got a lot of people in the queue. 1:46:02.920 --> 1:46:06.880 It's gonna be fantastic. Team Stay Strong, Stay Safe, Shields High,