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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm strong and Getty enough he.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and yetty counties.

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<v Speaker 3>El said one of the primary zero of fifteen, zero

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<v Speaker 3>of fifteen with the lowest share of college degrees. Ergo,

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<v Speaker 3>he did not win in those working class areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he did win.

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<v Speaker 3>He won thirteen of the fifteen counties with the highest

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<v Speaker 3>share of college degrees. So you're thinking about Democrats having

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<v Speaker 3>real trouble amongst the working class. Else had support came

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<v Speaker 3>dramatically from those areas. In fact, not where there is

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<v Speaker 3>working class folks, but where there are highly educated folks,

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<v Speaker 3>more from elite circles than from the working class circles.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there's real worries among Democrats. Well, will

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<v Speaker 3>that answer over to the general election and ELSA continue

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<v Speaker 3>to have the problems that prior Democrats have had with

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<v Speaker 3>the working class.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is pretty darned interesting. So you're out there

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<v Speaker 2>with the whole affordability people can't afford the rent thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you win the most educated counties and lose the

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<v Speaker 2>working class. As el sayad up there in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's full most a clean sweeping both directions, that's striking.

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<v Speaker 2>The full title is doctor Abdullah Rahman Mohammad el Sayad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his full name. That's quite a name.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry I got your name wrong, Mohammad and uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So is that the downwardly mobile, over educated affordabilities of

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<v Speaker 2>the issue because they thought their fancy degree was going

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<v Speaker 2>to open up the door to a life of pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>and it has not.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a lot of it. It's funny we

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<v Speaker 4>kicked off the earth. We ended our one of the

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<v Speaker 4>show with a quote from C. S. Lewis from That

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<v Speaker 4>Hideous Strength about how if you're trying to start a

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<v Speaker 4>ratic gly ideology, you're not gonna get the working people.

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<v Speaker 4>Their lives are much more practical and they're worried about,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the basics of life. It's the intellectuals, the

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<v Speaker 4>educated that you can get with your crazy ass ideas.

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<v Speaker 4>They're reading the highbrows stuff. They'll believe anything, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I was asking I mentioned earlier in the show. Listen

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<v Speaker 2>to hour one of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a fair amount of time watching one of

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<v Speaker 2>those Assan Piker twitch casts last night and figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>what his whole deal is. He's got it, He's got

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<v Speaker 2>the entertainment gene, there's no doubt about it. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>a super smart guy. His politics are really inflammatory, which

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people really really like. But anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering, is this LSI ED guy gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to disston him, distance himself from asan piker. He was

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<v Speaker 2>on stage with him the night before the election, but

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, when the general election comes, he can't be

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere near this guy. Well, so far that doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be the case. And then I thought, are any

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<v Speaker 2>of the other major Democratic candidate's gonna want to stand

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<v Speaker 2>on stage with else? Iad Gavin Newsom signed up immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as the dust settled. Wednesday morning, Gavin Newsom

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<v Speaker 2>amount announced he's prepared to head to Michigan for a

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<v Speaker 2>multi day campaigning swing supporting the Democratic ticket. Like today,

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<v Speaker 2>response to that in The New York posts from John Fleischman,

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<v Speaker 2>who writes, Gavin Newsham's gazz.

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<v Speaker 1>It having an or Gavin, you can do it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Not sure again. You should see his face, folks, he's

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<v Speaker 4>given up. That was the face of despair, he laughed.

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed.

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<v Speaker 2>I got that feeling. I figot that feeling like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're on the golf course some days and you think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I should just go home, try again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not even mad, not right, Yeah, you just.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, am I gonna put another ball down

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<v Speaker 2>and jack another one out of the bounce of this? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here we go. Gavin Newsom's rush to embrace abdul l

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<v Speaker 2>Saad makes me sick to my stomach, wrote John Fleischman

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<v Speaker 2>in his New York post piece, because of all the

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<v Speaker 2>things that this guy has said. And Kim Burley Strassele

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<v Speaker 2>of The Wall Street Journal also writing about this today,

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<v Speaker 2>can Democrats resist socialism? And she she says this, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's true or not, though she said

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes, the Democrats' biggest names are now fully screwed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought too, But I'm afraid that might

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<v Speaker 2>not happen. They all need to go to Michigan now

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<v Speaker 2>and through the fall to campaign for the whole ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>including in the governor's race. But when they show up,

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<v Speaker 2>what if fact clown Hassan Piker is there. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton in the backstage green

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<v Speaker 2>room before a rally with Hassan Piker and Abdul Piker's

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<v Speaker 2>live streaming some of his crazy stuff, he says over

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<v Speaker 2>in the corner, which he does. He live streams live

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<v Speaker 2>from green rooms. He did that just the other n eye.

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<v Speaker 2>We all get the test of it this weekend when

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<v Speaker 2>Gavin Newsom is supposed to campaign throughout a Wolverine state

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<v Speaker 2>with the Democrats. Is do you think El Saad's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say to Piker? I mentioned this yesterday, Like, dude, we

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<v Speaker 2>all know we got to tone it down just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit now for the general election. So don't be

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<v Speaker 2>on stage, don't be in the green room, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you and I back together as soon as we win

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. Do you think it's gonna be that? Because seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Obama can't be in a room with the guy

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<v Speaker 2>standing over in the corner. I watched him last night.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the sight of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the home of.

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<v Speaker 2>Antifa, you m Effers. I mean, she can't be hanging

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<v Speaker 2>around that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, probably not.

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<v Speaker 4>But the one thing they can count on is the

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<v Speaker 4>blind eye being turned by the media because they start

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<v Speaker 4>with conclusions and then pick evidence as opposed to real

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<v Speaker 4>journalism either way. I winted out that halfwin running for

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<v Speaker 4>governor of Wisconsin. The fact checker at one of the

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<v Speaker 4>major Milwaukee journal or one of your major news guys

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<v Speaker 4>in Wisconsin responded to the fact that she said disband

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<v Speaker 4>the Senate or end the Senate when her campaign said

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<v Speaker 4>she's never said that. He said, nah, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to fact check that because it was only once, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so, yeah, you cannot underestimate their willingness to

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<v Speaker 4>ignore the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Another little bit and then I will shut up. This

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<v Speaker 2>is from Mark Alprin's newsletter today, fits exactly with my

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<v Speaker 2>experience last night watching a Son Piker. I thought, no

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<v Speaker 2>country for old men. My time is past. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even understand the way this new young generation of socialists

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<v Speaker 2>communicates to each other. I was watching his podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a different animal than anything I've ever been around.

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<v Speaker 2>And so in Mark Alprin writing today, I've been studying

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<v Speaker 2>these folks. Socialism's most enthusiastic promoters are quick and clever,

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<v Speaker 2>comparatively well educated, very online. Their talent lies primarily in media,

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<v Speaker 2>having been immersed in it from birth, which you know

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<v Speaker 2>nothing I can do about that. I wasn't obviously the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's apps, it's entertainment, it's information flow. They know all

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<v Speaker 2>about how people get and absorb a feeling and impression.

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<v Speaker 2>They know how to produce a sensation as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>a thought. One of the great tricks in life is

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<v Speaker 2>to have a talent suited to your times. And they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's good, good writing.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn right. It is well described. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>got from er right, that's what I got from Piker vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>A sensation. That's what they're good at communicating. And that

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<v Speaker 2>crowd that takes in all that stuff, they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>that's all they care about. How do you combat that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Oh boy, oh boy. All right.

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<v Speaker 4>So on a practical level, here's what Gavin Newsom is thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>He's absolutely turgid the presidency, absolutely hot to trot for

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<v Speaker 4>the White House. He wants the White House way more

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<v Speaker 4>than he's ever wanted, say his best friend's wife, so

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<v Speaker 4>want too soon.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're all human, we all fall short sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you're right, Kevin, You're right. I shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 4>gone there. I apologize. So anyway, he sees the young

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<v Speaker 4>energized college socialist Hassan Piker crowd as part of the coalition,

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<v Speaker 4>he has to have to be the president probably, so

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to and this is politics ABC one two three.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a slightly more interesting point to come, so

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<v Speaker 4>stay tuned. So you know he's trying to capture that energy,

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<v Speaker 4>be seen as part of it, and then when he

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<v Speaker 4>feels like those people are more or less in his pocket,

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<v Speaker 4>he'll be more serious about courting other parts of the

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<v Speaker 4>coalition without offending them. I mean, what does he have

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<v Speaker 4>in common with Hassan Piker and Abdul Mohammad al Saied,

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<v Speaker 4>Actually nothing but the lust for power. More interesting, though,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, is what the mainstream Democrats are thinking about

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<v Speaker 4>this guy else I had and people like him. I

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<v Speaker 4>remember talking to a couple of different I think they

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<v Speaker 4>were both Congress people about during the Tea Party movement

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<v Speaker 4>where some of them, not the dopes that got nominated,

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<v Speaker 4>that really really just ruined a lot of things, including conservatism,

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<v Speaker 4>but some of the really good legit. I'm a fiscal conservative.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm riding this energy. I'm going to get to office

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to fix our screwed up spending and

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<v Speaker 4>our deficits and our entitlements and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>When they got to Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 4>The actual power there neutralized them, co opted them, and

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<v Speaker 4>tried to neuter them, tried to tame them, turn them

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<v Speaker 4>from a you know what would the analogy be, from

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<v Speaker 4>an attack dog to a fat labradoritory for laying around

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<v Speaker 4>the sofa. And that's what the Democrats are desperate to

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<v Speaker 4>do with these jazzed up socialists is get them elected,

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<v Speaker 4>get the state, then co opt them. And if they

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<v Speaker 4>can't co opt them, they'll decap them. They'll they'll find

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<v Speaker 4>a way to get rid of them, or undermine them more,

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<v Speaker 4>or what have you. It's like Kamala's great skill is

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<v Speaker 4>stabbing people on her side in the back, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>pretty good at that. So I have a feeling that's

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<v Speaker 4>what the mainstream is thinking about these people. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that mistake has been made many times. I gave the

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<v Speaker 4>example of Germany, you know, between the World Wars, the

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<v Speaker 4>conservatives thought, yeah, those Nazis are nut chobs, but man,

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<v Speaker 4>they've got a lot of folks on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go ahead and bring them under the tent and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll co opt them.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how that one This Piker dude and his

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<v Speaker 2>talents that match the times for a certain crowd that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. I don't know if he has any

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<v Speaker 2>interest in toning it down to help people get elected.

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<v Speaker 2>He might just be I'm in it for me. My

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<v Speaker 2>crowd loves me throwing out crazy crap, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing it, I suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, then how are you Barack Obama on stage

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<v Speaker 2>with Hassan Piker standing ten feet away from me?

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<v Speaker 4>Take your private life off the market.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been in the entertainment business my entire adult life,

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<v Speaker 2>and I watch the new modern entertainment for young people

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<v Speaker 2>and I just try to figure out what's the appeal here.

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<v Speaker 2>People I know my age just that sucks. Okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't suck to them. They like it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what the appeal is and I

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<v Speaker 2>just can't. I mean, my kids show me means sometimes online.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fifteen seconds of nothing. I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 2>what grabbed you there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory. Some might call it hair brained.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will share it with you after the break.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, I know, I'd love to know, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think it explains a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that and other stuff on the way, stay here,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just tuning in very short version. I watched some

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<v Speaker 2>of Hassan Piker's Twitch feed last night. He's the young

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<v Speaker 2>influencer that's played such a big role in lefty politics

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and not the politics of it, just the

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<v Speaker 2>style of entertainment is like a lot of young stuff

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<v Speaker 2>out there now. It's just I don't get it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how it works, but the young crowd

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<v Speaker 2>loves it. It's like the way my kids love all

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<v Speaker 2>this different meme stuff and joke stuff they show me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all super fast and banged bang and and

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<v Speaker 2>just seems so all over the place to me. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know how you're up your head around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think part of the reason for that.

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<v Speaker 4>And Pike here, if you don't know, he's a blood

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<v Speaker 4>thirsty communist, Islamist, populist shock jockey presence. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 4>structure I've seen just a couple of that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And and the structure of it's so weird, because as

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<v Speaker 4>Jack described it earlier, it's very like unstructured and rambling,

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<v Speaker 4>and sometimes they're off mike or don't say much at

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<v Speaker 4>all for a while, or look at comments and just

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<v Speaker 4>read them, or just respond to them without reading them.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>With the sense that the audience is doing the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that you're all just kind of staring at screens, hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out together in different yas.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's that's the most of the answer is

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<v Speaker 4>nobody in that generation is in the moment. They're always

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<v Speaker 4>doing multiple things at once. The two screen experience, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>we've we've talked about it made me insane at first.

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<v Speaker 4>My daughter would be visiting us and we'd decide to

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<v Speaker 4>watch a beloved movie together and I'd look over and like,

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<v Speaker 4>immediately from the beginning, she's on her phone doing something.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, I thought we were gonna watch the movie,

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<v Speaker 4>and I am. I am watching it. And so the

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<v Speaker 4>structure of the show, or the lack of structure, really

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<v Speaker 4>lends itself to I'm looking at two or three screens,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm scrolling, I'm flipping I'm texting, and during the lulls,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing activities B and C. When you start screeching

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<v Speaker 4>about the efing blood of fing capitalists running through the streets,

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<v Speaker 4>now I'm on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Yeah, that's good stuff. And then you know, then

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<v Speaker 1>I go back to the other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I don't want to be knee jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and it's making them insane and anxious, by the way, too, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to be knee jerk critical of that lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, times change, I guess. But the I

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<v Speaker 2>don't go out with my friends, I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>because I get that Maslow's hierarchy of needs belonging thing

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<v Speaker 2>filled by having my screen open, a loan in my

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<v Speaker 2>apartment and a bunch of people on there. So that

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<v Speaker 2>fills that need for me. So it doesn't force me

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<v Speaker 2>drive me like it did me as a young person

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<v Speaker 2>out of my apartment to a bar or a golf

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<v Speaker 2>place with friends or whatever, because you needed the companionship

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<v Speaker 2>and you couldn't get any other way. Now everybody just

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<v Speaker 2>hangs out together in screens in different rooms, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what that a guy like a san piker does, And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, throws off the occasional political blast, and

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<v Speaker 2>people think it's funny or interesting, right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I get you're not wanting to be knee jerk

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<v Speaker 4>about these sort of things. I'm much more interested in

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<v Speaker 4>understanding things than merely judging them. But that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 4>you have to suspend your judgment completely.

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<v Speaker 1>If something's unhealthy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unhealthy, so it's definitely bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, And I wasn't accusing you of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just kind of new to it through.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if there's any stopping it or changing.

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<v Speaker 1>All there is is influencing the people close to you,

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<v Speaker 1>helping them understand what their choices are doing to them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, until they're fully emancipated and older. Then if

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<v Speaker 1>they come to you and ask, you might tell them,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you'd like to drive a wedge between you

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<v Speaker 1>and them, you'll just keep it going as when they're adults. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I was on a walk with my sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old the other night and I said one more thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I promise I'll start stop lecturing, because we were

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<v Speaker 2>on a walk and I was on like topic three

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<v Speaker 2>of dad advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, well, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You get their ear not that often, So I got

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<v Speaker 2>your ear.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Yeah, I wish I'd been better at picking my

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<v Speaker 4>spots back in the day. Well, by the time you

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<v Speaker 4>know what you're doing, it's over anyway. Oh man, I've

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<v Speaker 4>got a really important and heavy topic. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 4>decide if I can know.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about today at some point maybe

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<v Speaker 2>next segment, at least a little bit, perhaps the most

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<v Speaker 2>important date in my life. So I will throw that

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<v Speaker 2>out there a little bit and a bunch of other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stay here, Armstrong and getty.

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<v Speaker 2>So today is August seventh that we're recording this. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're listening to the podcast, and every August seventh for

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<v Speaker 2>the past nineteen years, I guess would be the math.

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<v Speaker 2>I've mentioned this because this is the twenty year anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>of me no longer drinking alcohol as an alcoholic, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned it for a variety of reasons, including often

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<v Speaker 2>people reach out who say they heard that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they make an effort to quit drinking and have some

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<v Speaker 2>success with it. But I was just thinking about how

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<v Speaker 2>I'm amazed that twenty years into this, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a whole lot more known about addiction than

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<v Speaker 2>there was twenty years ago when I first started thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Wonder while we're making so little progress on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons is I don't have any idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I know quite a bit about alcoholics and alcoholism. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>just from experience of being around hundreds, maybe four figures

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<v Speaker 2>worth of alcoholics, I probably spent more time this week

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<v Speaker 2>counseling other alcoholics who are new than I did on

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<v Speaker 2>my job. I do it all the time. The amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time I spend on the phone or in person

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<v Speaker 2>with people lots and lots and lots of hours. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a well known thing that that's the way you

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<v Speaker 2>stay sober. Helping other people try to stay sober is

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<v Speaker 2>what That's why you do it. It keeps you sober.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the way it works. But so I spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time talking to people, and particularly this week,

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<v Speaker 2>some people in some really bad life situations. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>amazing to me how little is known. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I know something about alcoholics and alcoholism. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any knowledge as to whether that transfers or not to

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<v Speaker 2>overeating or gambling or being a meth head. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the slightest idea. I'm not a scientist, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>anything else. All I know is this, But I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>surprised we haven't gotten further since it's quite a scourge,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've all noticed for a lot of our cities,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly drug addiction, although most drug addicts also drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the only thing that pops into my mind is

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<v Speaker 4>with the GLP one drugs that eliminate the quote unquote

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<v Speaker 4>food noise in your head thinking yeah, I to eat,

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<v Speaker 4>I ought to eat have helped a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>with alcohol noise, whether they quote unquote needed help or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if we're moving toward understanding those neurological triggers better.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope so. And I don't claim to know anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do know that all the people I talk to,

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<v Speaker 2>almost all the people I talk to, new people different,

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<v Speaker 2>you're new, you're still wanting to drink. Almost everybody I

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<v Speaker 2>talk to on a regular basis they don't have any

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol noise at all. The problem is the reason you're

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<v Speaker 2>an alcoholic because you can't handle life and you need some

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<v Speaker 2>way to deal with life. It's not the craving for alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the I can't handle this situation, I'm gonna lose

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<v Speaker 2>my freaking mind, and so having the noise about alcohol

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<v Speaker 2>go away wouldn't make any difference to me. I still

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<v Speaker 2>work on my alcoholism every day. I put more time

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<v Speaker 2>into that than practically anything I do every day. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not because I want to drink. It's because life

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<v Speaker 2>is difficult and I have to have a figure out

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<v Speaker 2>a way to deal with life.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that runs counter to what ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 4>people think. I know alcoholism is.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it is. That's why I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Yeah, that's why I want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also why I don't know how that applies

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<v Speaker 2>to heroin. For instance, the vast majority of people, like

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<v Speaker 2>something like ninety plus percent of people drink and are

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<v Speaker 2>never alcoholics. From what I understand, if I I did

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<v Speaker 2>heroin every day, I would be a heroin addict very quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just the thing. And then from heroin addicts

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<v Speaker 2>I know deal with the physical craving of opioid, opioids,

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<v Speaker 2>opioids or whatever a heroine is for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>their lives. The same with nicotine. People I've known who

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<v Speaker 2>are nicotine addicts deal with the nicotine addiction the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of their life. I haven't had a desire to drink

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<v Speaker 2>any alcohol in nineteen years and eight months. I know

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<v Speaker 2>the day. But so like my mom could become a

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<v Speaker 2>heroin addict this weekend, I think I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>could become an alcoholic. So, like I said, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know anything other than I think those things are true,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know why well.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm thinking about a couple of people I've known

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<v Speaker 4>who had serious compulsive eating problems, and that was about

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<v Speaker 4>control and a little bit of pleasure as the world

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<v Speaker 4>overwhelmed them.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does that fit?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe food? It's closer to alcohol than it is heroin.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any idea. I don't claim to ever

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<v Speaker 2>have any idea about anything other than I do know

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<v Speaker 2>something about alcoholism, and I can be of some help

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<v Speaker 2>with that. But I have nothing I can offer for

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<v Speaker 2>anything else because I don't know, and neither does doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be anybody else does either. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>rehabs for all these people and all these drugs on

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<v Speaker 2>the street work almost never. I also know they'll work

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<v Speaker 2>almost never for alcoholics too, But they work almost never,

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<v Speaker 2>So we haven't figured it out. It should be nice

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<v Speaker 2>if we did. I know people who have addicted sisters, brothers, kids,

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<v Speaker 2>parents would give anything in the world for some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of solution and can't find one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, including people with unlimited money. Right. Don't think Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Perry wanted to not be dead in a hot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm, I don't think. I'm not sure he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>quit so that I was about to get there. The

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<v Speaker 2>key to the whole thing is wanting to quit more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else. And most people, in my experience, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about most, and I certainly again, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>speak for anything else other than I've been around a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of drunks. There's lots and lots and lots of

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<v Speaker 2>people that think they want to quit, or claim they

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<v Speaker 2>want to quit, or even are saying to themselves, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to quit, but they don't really really want to quit.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the problem. Until you really really want to

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<v Speaker 2>quit doing what you're doing, it ain't gonna happen. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that old joke about the you know how many psychiatrists

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<v Speaker 2>to change attire one but he has to really want

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<v Speaker 2>to change, you know that that whole thing, And and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you get there either. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to quit for a long time, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really really want to quit until I did. How

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<v Speaker 2>you cross that line, how you give that to somebody?

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<v Speaker 2>How you get there? No idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, but I was ready to write down the conclusions

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to give us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I wish I had to answer it. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>I had the answer in case, in case my kids

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<v Speaker 2>ever need the answer, or people haven't been talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last couple of weeks, I've seen people blow

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<v Speaker 2>up their lives. I've seen people I know. I know

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<v Speaker 2>several people that have died. I know a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>hung himself. I know a guy who set himself on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>I got lots of stories like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes, yikes, yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Including people. The guy who hung himself had been sober

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<v Speaker 2>for a dozen years. The guy who set himself on

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<v Speaker 2>fire had been sober for like twenty years. It never

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>ends once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic again, Is that

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<v Speaker 2>true for hern addicts or people who eat too much?

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<v Speaker 2>No idea. I have no knowledge of that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't claim I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, talking about how much you wish you had

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<v Speaker 4>those answers, I remember, God, I feel it in my

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<v Speaker 4>stomach right now. When we got to Vancouver, Judy and

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<v Speaker 4>I have for our vacation to launch on our lovely cruise.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this was like a couple of weeks ago. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, harp what gladys?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? You know who drinks? Oh boy, she might.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you need to do the twenty questions? Gladys? Have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever seen the twenty questions you ask yourself about

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not part of her?

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<v Speaker 4>Harp hollowed out stamp and there's got snops drinks. That's

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<v Speaker 4>even funny, that's perfect, that's a good one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But so there we were rolling in our ride to

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<v Speaker 4>the hotel and there are these young people shooting up

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<v Speaker 4>on the pavement right on the main drag and I

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<v Speaker 4>mean I saw a needle go in arm and as

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 4>we were stopping a stoplight, and oh my god, they

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 4>were young, yeah, and watching somebody on not every slope

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 4>is slippery, but that one is watching them on the

0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 4>slippery slope towards self destruction. And looking at their faces,

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 4>I could tell they thought they were cool and they

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<v Speaker 4>were a hip and they were a little dangerous and

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 4>they're exploring life, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. It made me sick. Yeah, it looked

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<v Speaker 1>like my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Really right, As I tell my kids, particularly my oldest son,

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<v Speaker 2>that started as a good time whenever they started this

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<v Speaker 2>with something else, probably as a good time as a party,

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<v Speaker 2>and it ain't now. Yeah, and they're in a bad spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah don't. I don't, Like I said fifteen times already,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no answer for what we do with that

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<v Speaker 2>part of the world of addiction. Again, I'm just shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they throw lots of money at studying this and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just really hard to unravel with the human mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I mean, can you imagine the amount of

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 4>money that could be made if you actually had the answers?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the obviously much Obviously you've got the psychological aspect,

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<v Speaker 2>then you've got the physical aspect. If you physically need

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<v Speaker 2>heroin to not be sick, it doesn't even matter what

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>your psychological needs are. You physically need to take it

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>or you're going to be shaking and throwing up and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bugs crawling on you.

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But then if you got if you've got the psychological

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<v Speaker 2>need to deal with wife, what fixes that exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>I think of Keith Richards, for instance, the Rolling Stones

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 4>guitarist who got cleaned many times and sometimes for extended periods,

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<v Speaker 4>and his life is better, his band was better, everything

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<v Speaker 4>was better about it. Then he went back on heroin.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, almost everybody I know who went back to

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<v Speaker 2>doing it drinking, because that's my only topic. Their lives

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:10.160
<v Speaker 2>are going much better.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's that's that's the that's the crazy thing. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a friend who likes to anthropomorphize the idea of alcoholism,

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and it's the way I look at it too. It

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<v Speaker 2>is like a person in my brain who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>kill me. And on a daily basis, Oh, this is

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 2>this person's kind of slow here getting your food at

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 2>the restaurant, aren't they Well that's kind of maddening, isn't it.

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Why is it taking them so long? Just it knows

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 2>the things that get to me? Or why ex wife,

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>what'd she say the other day? You're just needling me,

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>looking for my weak points, knows the things that piss

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>me off and trying to get in to the position

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>where finally I'll give it and then it's yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>find myself. We got him to drink again. We're back, baby.

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what the alcoholism is doing in my brain in

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 2>my belief.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, how interesting.

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Looking for that thing. I know this, Oh, I know

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>this one bothers you. That's what you got to find

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 2>a way to ignore those things that bother you.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that acronym?

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<v Speaker 4>I remember you told me once about when alcoholics are

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<v Speaker 4>most at risk.

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>It's all one of them.

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Halt, hungry, angry, lonely, tired. Yeah, four letters, any of

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>those four? If you got all four of those, I

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 2>had one. I had one a week ago. I'm not

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>proud of this. This almost never happens to me anymore.

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Used to happen to me all the time. This almost

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>never happens anymore. But I think I had all four

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>of them, going hungry, angry, lonely, tired. And a guy

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>at the bank, the teller at the bank, was not

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<v Speaker 2>doing something as quickly as I thought he should be,

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and I made a rude comment to him, and then

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>I had to go back and to apologize to him afterwards.

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 2>I had to go back because that's sort of thing

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>alcoholics have to do, Otherwise that'll torture me laying in

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>bed tonight that I said something rude to this dude

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>when all he was doing was doing his job. But

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>it was because I had the angry, angry, lonely, tired

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 2>go and the alcoholism on brain was saying, don't put

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>up with this. You don't have to put up with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow wownah.

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, when things are going well, which is almost always

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 2>now and for quite a long time, it's effortless. Not

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>drinking is the easy thing I do every day for

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen plus years. That is effortless. Thank God that some

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 2>said living life is still hard. Okay, dealing with life

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 2>is still hard, and I think it's hard. I think

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I believe now this is not known. Now I'm now

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm into opinion. The other things I said are based

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 2>mostly on enough experience that they're practically fact. Here's something

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:42.239
<v Speaker 2>that nobody knows for sure. I think you're born an

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>alcohol It's something in your brain or body that's different

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>than other people that reacts differently to alcoholic alcohol emotionally

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and physically. So that's you either are you aren't. That's

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>why I think Donald Trump, his brother died of alcoholism.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I think Donald Trump's an alcoholic. I think he's an

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>alcol who doesn't drink. He's got all the behaviors. But

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>what was my point. I had a point as going,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so alcoholics because of the way they're built. You know,

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>how easily butt hurt and angry, trump can get set

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 2>off and all these different things. Alcoholics, that's the way

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.040
<v Speaker 2>we live our lives. And for a while alcohol works

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>as a solution to that dealing with life, but then

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>it stops because you just need more and more and

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>more and you got to find something else or you're

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.959
<v Speaker 2>you're in a bad shape. But that you know, that

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily go away, but there are ways to treat it.

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>And I won't get into any of all that where

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>it makes life pretty easy most of the time. The

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>moments where I'm angry at the bank teller are few

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and far between. Life is so much easier for me

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 2>now than it was twenty years ago or ten years

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>ago or whatever. But that's the key, is to keep

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>the annoyance of living down and then you don't have

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>to worry about wanting to drink or do anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's good advice, no matter whether you're an

0:31:57.520 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>alcoholic or not.

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I just think alcohol I don't know that, but I

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>think alcoholics are particularly easily annoyed by life.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I was born annoyed.

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>So I grew up with two normal parents. Both of

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 2>them are just it's so easy for them to just

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>accept things. Well, that's the way that guy is, or

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 2>that's the way this situation is, or this will be

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>a long line or whatever. That's just the way they are,

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>which is stressed picturing. I watched that like a like

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>a like an animal to a zoo, Like what.

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the strange customs those people have.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I hope that was either interesting or helpful to someone.

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<v Speaker 2>You can quit, that's my message. Okay, more on the way,

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<v Speaker 2>stay here.

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<v Speaker 5>Some business news. After Chipotle Sellijapanos during the concerns about salmonella,

0:32:56.600 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 5>Kudova did the same thing. It makes sense because you do,

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 5>but gets their jalopanios from the dumpster behind you both?

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:06.479
<v Speaker 1>What the what?

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Meanwhile, following the Lettuce parasite outbreak, Salad and Go has

0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 5>filed for bankruptcy. Salad and Go pretty much explains the outbreak.

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Does that? Oh childish?

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>So I won't reset what we were talking about. We

0:33:23.320 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>did have a member of the staff say, what about

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.239
<v Speaker 2>chronic masturbation? I also don't know much about that. Well,

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>I know something about it. I don't know about carrying it.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about fixing the problem. But I'm a

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>anyway about expertise to give you a little insight into

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>what it's like to be a semi public figure or whatever.

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 2>We are lots of responses on the text line, lots

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>of really nice ones and various people that are walking

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the same trudging the same path of happy destiny that

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.959
<v Speaker 2>I am. With congratulations and that sort of thing. But

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 2>we and this one. Oh my god, thank you Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>You really spoke to me about alcoholism. You may have

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.239
<v Speaker 2>saved my life. God bless you.

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Nice also God. Several along these lines, this is a

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>good one. Jack who gives an F exclamation point, So

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>there's yeah, there's that crown, you know, a fair counterpoint.

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Got a F you nobody made you drink? Got one

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of those, so you know that sort of thing.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's nice.

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 4>I I have wonder if I know I have some

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.320
<v Speaker 4>suspects for my descent those.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's interesting about this and this is the

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>here anything I did that made myself sound better here,

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>and let me say something that will make me sound worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get other people's addictions and stuff. I don't

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 2>get them at all. You eat too much stuff, eating

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>so much, you gamble your money away and you got family.

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Stop gambling. What's the what's wrong with you?

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>For cre What are you stupid?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't get I don't get other people's problems.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if you wanted to, you know, rub a little

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 4>dirt on your new white suit, you sure did right there.

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<v Speaker 4>least I thought that's what I wanted to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But in trying to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure I had nailed down the truth of what I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>I came across a road block of information, a censorship

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<v Speaker 4>of information that I found very, very, at least.

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<v Speaker 1>As interesting is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to talk about, how hard media, from

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<v Speaker 4>Wikipedia to your mainstream media to Google to AI, how

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<v Speaker 4>hard they make it to find something that is perfectly

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<v Speaker 4>appropriate to look for.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't like it, that's troubling, So we got that

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