Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: I'm strong and Getty enough he.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and yetty counties.
Speaker 3: El said one of the primary zero of fifteen, zero
Speaker 3: of fifteen with the lowest share of college degrees. Ergo,
Speaker 3: he did not win in those working class areas.
Speaker 1: Where he did win.
Speaker 3: He won thirteen of the fifteen counties with the highest
Speaker 3: share of college degrees. So you're thinking about Democrats having
Speaker 3: real trouble amongst the working class. Else had support came
Speaker 3: dramatically from those areas. In fact, not where there is
Speaker 3: working class folks, but where there are highly educated folks,
Speaker 3: more from elite circles than from the working class circles.
Speaker 3: And I think there's real worries among Democrats. Well, will
Speaker 3: that answer over to the general election and ELSA continue
Speaker 3: to have the problems that prior Democrats have had with
Speaker 3: the working class.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is pretty darned interesting. So you're out there
Speaker 2: with the whole affordability people can't afford the rent thing,
Speaker 2: and you win the most educated counties and lose the
Speaker 2: working class. As el sayad up there in Michigan.
Speaker 1: Who's full most a clean sweeping both directions, that's striking.
Speaker 2: The full title is doctor Abdullah Rahman Mohammad el Sayad.
Speaker 2: That's his full name. That's quite a name.
Speaker 1: Sorry I got your name wrong, Mohammad and uh yeah.
Speaker 2: So is that the downwardly mobile, over educated affordabilities of
Speaker 2: the issue because they thought their fancy degree was going
Speaker 2: to open up the door to a life of pleasure
Speaker 2: and it has not.
Speaker 4: I think that's a lot of it. It's funny we
Speaker 4: kicked off the earth. We ended our one of the
Speaker 4: show with a quote from C. S. Lewis from That
Speaker 4: Hideous Strength about how if you're trying to start a
Speaker 4: ratic gly ideology, you're not gonna get the working people.
Speaker 4: Their lives are much more practical and they're worried about,
Speaker 4: you know, the basics of life. It's the intellectuals, the
Speaker 4: educated that you can get with your crazy ass ideas.
Speaker 4: They're reading the highbrows stuff. They'll believe anything, So.
Speaker 2: I was asking I mentioned earlier in the show. Listen
Speaker 2: to hour one of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
Speaker 2: I spent a fair amount of time watching one of
Speaker 2: those Assan Piker twitch casts last night and figuring out
Speaker 2: what his whole deal is. He's got it, He's got
Speaker 2: the entertainment gene, there's no doubt about it. And he's
Speaker 2: a super smart guy. His politics are really inflammatory, which
Speaker 2: a lot of people really really like. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: I was wondering, is this LSI ED guy gonna have
Speaker 2: to disston him, distance himself from asan piker. He was
Speaker 2: on stage with him the night before the election, but
Speaker 2: I thought, when the general election comes, he can't be
Speaker 2: anywhere near this guy. Well, so far that doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to be the case. And then I thought, are any
Speaker 2: of the other major Democratic candidate's gonna want to stand
Speaker 2: on stage with else? Iad Gavin Newsom signed up immediately.
Speaker 2: As soon as the dust settled. Wednesday morning, Gavin Newsom
Speaker 2: amount announced he's prepared to head to Michigan for a
Speaker 2: multi day campaigning swing supporting the Democratic ticket. Like today,
Speaker 2: response to that in The New York posts from John Fleischman,
Speaker 2: who writes, Gavin Newsham's gazz.
Speaker 1: It having an or Gavin, you can do it. You
Speaker 1: can do it?
Speaker 4: Not sure again. You should see his face, folks, he's
Speaker 4: given up. That was the face of despair, he laughed.
Speaker 1: I laughed.
Speaker 2: I got that feeling. I figot that feeling like when
Speaker 2: you're on the golf course some days and you think
Speaker 2: maybe I should just go home, try again tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You're not even mad, not right, Yeah, you just.
Speaker 2: You know what, am I gonna put another ball down
Speaker 2: and jack another one out of the bounce of this? Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go. Gavin Newsom's rush to embrace abdul l
Speaker 2: Saad makes me sick to my stomach, wrote John Fleischman
Speaker 2: in his New York post piece, because of all the
Speaker 2: things that this guy has said. And Kim Burley Strassele
Speaker 2: of The Wall Street Journal also writing about this today,
Speaker 2: can Democrats resist socialism? And she she says this, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's true or not, though she said
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, the Democrats' biggest names are now fully screwed.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought too, But I'm afraid that might
Speaker 2: not happen. They all need to go to Michigan now
Speaker 2: and through the fall to campaign for the whole ticket,
Speaker 2: including in the governor's race. But when they show up,
Speaker 2: what if fact clown Hassan Piker is there. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine Michelle Obama or Bill Clinton in the backstage green
Speaker 2: room before a rally with Hassan Piker and Abdul Piker's
Speaker 2: live streaming some of his crazy stuff, he says over
Speaker 2: in the corner, which he does. He live streams live
Speaker 2: from green rooms. He did that just the other n eye.
Speaker 2: We all get the test of it this weekend when
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is supposed to campaign throughout a Wolverine state
Speaker 2: with the Democrats. Is do you think El Saad's gonna
Speaker 2: say to Piker? I mentioned this yesterday, Like, dude, we
Speaker 2: all know we got to tone it down just a
Speaker 2: little bit now for the general election. So don't be
Speaker 2: on stage, don't be in the green room, and then
Speaker 2: you and I back together as soon as we win
Speaker 2: this thing. Do you think it's gonna be that? Because seriously,
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama can't be in a room with the guy
Speaker 2: standing over in the corner. I watched him last night.
Speaker 2: I know the sight of stuff.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the home of.
Speaker 2: Antifa, you m Effers. I mean, she can't be hanging
Speaker 2: around that guy.
Speaker 1: Well, probably not.
Speaker 4: But the one thing they can count on is the
Speaker 4: blind eye being turned by the media because they start
Speaker 4: with conclusions and then pick evidence as opposed to real
Speaker 4: journalism either way. I winted out that halfwin running for
Speaker 4: governor of Wisconsin. The fact checker at one of the
Speaker 4: major Milwaukee journal or one of your major news guys
Speaker 4: in Wisconsin responded to the fact that she said disband
Speaker 4: the Senate or end the Senate when her campaign said
Speaker 4: she's never said that. He said, nah, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to fact check that because it was only once, and
Speaker 4: you know, so, yeah, you cannot underestimate their willingness to
Speaker 4: ignore the truth.
Speaker 2: Another little bit and then I will shut up. This
Speaker 2: is from Mark Alprin's newsletter today, fits exactly with my
Speaker 2: experience last night watching a Son Piker. I thought, no
Speaker 2: country for old men. My time is past. I don't
Speaker 2: even understand the way this new young generation of socialists
Speaker 2: communicates to each other. I was watching his podcast and
Speaker 2: it's just a different animal than anything I've ever been around.
Speaker 2: And so in Mark Alprin writing today, I've been studying
Speaker 2: these folks. Socialism's most enthusiastic promoters are quick and clever,
Speaker 2: comparatively well educated, very online. Their talent lies primarily in media,
Speaker 2: having been immersed in it from birth, which you know
Speaker 2: nothing I can do about that. I wasn't obviously the Internet.
Speaker 2: It's apps, it's entertainment, it's information flow. They know all
Speaker 2: about how people get and absorb a feeling and impression.
Speaker 2: They know how to produce a sensation as opposed to
Speaker 2: a thought. One of the great tricks in life is
Speaker 2: to have a talent suited to your times. And they do.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's good, good writing.
Speaker 2: Damn right. It is well described. And that's what I
Speaker 2: got from er right, that's what I got from Piker vibes.
Speaker 2: A sensation. That's what they're good at communicating. And that
Speaker 2: crowd that takes in all that stuff, they don't even
Speaker 2: that's all they care about. How do you combat that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh boy, oh boy. All right.
Speaker 4: So on a practical level, here's what Gavin Newsom is thinking.
Speaker 4: He's absolutely turgid the presidency, absolutely hot to trot for
Speaker 4: the White House. He wants the White House way more
Speaker 4: than he's ever wanted, say his best friend's wife, so
Speaker 4: want too soon.
Speaker 2: So we're all human, we all fall short sometimes.
Speaker 4: You know, you're right, Kevin, You're right. I shouldn't have
Speaker 4: gone there. I apologize. So anyway, he sees the young
Speaker 4: energized college socialist Hassan Piker crowd as part of the coalition,
Speaker 4: he has to have to be the president probably, so
Speaker 4: he's going to and this is politics ABC one two three.
Speaker 4: I have a slightly more interesting point to come, so
Speaker 4: stay tuned. So you know he's trying to capture that energy,
Speaker 4: be seen as part of it, and then when he
Speaker 4: feels like those people are more or less in his pocket,
Speaker 4: he'll be more serious about courting other parts of the
Speaker 4: coalition without offending them. I mean, what does he have
Speaker 4: in common with Hassan Piker and Abdul Mohammad al Saied,
Speaker 4: Actually nothing but the lust for power. More interesting, though,
Speaker 4: I think, is what the mainstream Democrats are thinking about
Speaker 4: this guy else I had and people like him. I
Speaker 4: remember talking to a couple of different I think they
Speaker 4: were both Congress people about during the Tea Party movement
Speaker 4: where some of them, not the dopes that got nominated,
Speaker 4: that really really just ruined a lot of things, including conservatism,
Speaker 4: but some of the really good legit. I'm a fiscal conservative.
Speaker 4: I'm riding this energy. I'm going to get to office
Speaker 4: and I'm going to fix our screwed up spending and
Speaker 4: our deficits and our entitlements and stuff.
Speaker 1: When they got to Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: The actual power there neutralized them, co opted them, and
Speaker 4: tried to neuter them, tried to tame them, turn them
Speaker 4: from a you know what would the analogy be, from
Speaker 4: an attack dog to a fat labradoritory for laying around
Speaker 4: the sofa. And that's what the Democrats are desperate to
Speaker 4: do with these jazzed up socialists is get them elected,
Speaker 4: get the state, then co opt them. And if they
Speaker 4: can't co opt them, they'll decap them. They'll they'll find
Speaker 4: a way to get rid of them, or undermine them more,
Speaker 4: or what have you. It's like Kamala's great skill is
Speaker 4: stabbing people on her side in the back, and they're
Speaker 4: pretty good at that. So I have a feeling that's
Speaker 4: what the mainstream is thinking about these people. But you know,
Speaker 4: that mistake has been made many times. I gave the
Speaker 4: example of Germany, you know, between the World Wars, the
Speaker 4: conservatives thought, yeah, those Nazis are nut chobs, but man,
Speaker 4: they've got a lot of folks on their side.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and bring them under the tent and
Speaker 1: then we'll co opt them.
Speaker 2: We know how that one This Piker dude and his
Speaker 2: talents that match the times for a certain crowd that
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I don't know if he has any
Speaker 2: interest in toning it down to help people get elected.
Speaker 2: He might just be I'm in it for me. My
Speaker 2: crowd loves me throwing out crazy crap, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep.
Speaker 1: Doing it, I suspect.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, then how are you Barack Obama on stage
Speaker 2: with Hassan Piker standing ten feet away from me?
Speaker 4: Again, You'll never hear about it except on the right
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Speaker 2: I have been in the entertainment business my entire adult life,
Speaker 2: and I watch the new modern entertainment for young people
Speaker 2: and I just try to figure out what's the appeal here.
Speaker 2: People I know my age just that sucks. Okay, well
Speaker 2: it doesn't suck to them. They like it, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what the appeal is and I
Speaker 2: just can't. I mean, my kids show me means sometimes online.
Speaker 2: That was fifteen seconds of nothing. I can't even imagine
Speaker 2: what grabbed you there.
Speaker 1: I have a theory. Some might call it hair brained.
Speaker 4: But I will share it with you after the break.
Speaker 4: I think, I know, I'd love to know, and I
Speaker 4: think it explains a lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, that and other stuff on the way, stay here,
Speaker 2: you're just tuning in very short version. I watched some
Speaker 2: of Hassan Piker's Twitch feed last night. He's the young
Speaker 2: influencer that's played such a big role in lefty politics
Speaker 2: right now, and not the politics of it, just the
Speaker 2: style of entertainment is like a lot of young stuff
Speaker 2: out there now. It's just I don't get it at all.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how it works, but the young crowd
Speaker 2: loves it. It's like the way my kids love all
Speaker 2: this different meme stuff and joke stuff they show me,
Speaker 2: and it's all super fast and banged bang and and
Speaker 2: just seems so all over the place to me. I
Speaker 2: don't even know how you're up your head around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think part of the reason for that.
Speaker 4: And Pike here, if you don't know, he's a blood
Speaker 4: thirsty communist, Islamist, populist shock jockey presence. But yeah, the
Speaker 4: structure I've seen just a couple of that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: And and the structure of it's so weird, because as
Speaker 4: Jack described it earlier, it's very like unstructured and rambling,
Speaker 4: and sometimes they're off mike or don't say much at
Speaker 4: all for a while, or look at comments and just
Speaker 4: read them, or just respond to them without reading them.
Speaker 1: And it's very weird.
Speaker 2: With the sense that the audience is doing the same thing,
Speaker 2: that you're all just kind of staring at screens, hanging
Speaker 2: out together in different yas.
Speaker 4: I think that's that's the most of the answer is
Speaker 4: nobody in that generation is in the moment. They're always
Speaker 4: doing multiple things at once. The two screen experience, whatever
Speaker 4: we've we've talked about it made me insane at first.
Speaker 4: My daughter would be visiting us and we'd decide to
Speaker 4: watch a beloved movie together and I'd look over and like,
Speaker 4: immediately from the beginning, she's on her phone doing something.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I thought we were gonna watch the movie,
Speaker 4: and I am. I am watching it. And so the
Speaker 4: structure of the show, or the lack of structure, really
Speaker 4: lends itself to I'm looking at two or three screens,
Speaker 4: I'm scrolling, I'm flipping I'm texting, and during the lulls,
Speaker 4: I'm doing activities B and C. When you start screeching
Speaker 4: about the efing blood of fing capitalists running through the streets,
Speaker 4: now I'm on you.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's good stuff. And then you know, then
Speaker 1: I go back to the other thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't want to be knee jerk.
Speaker 1: Oh, and it's making them insane and anxious, by the way, too, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to be knee jerk critical of that lifestyle
Speaker 2: because you know, times change, I guess. But the I
Speaker 2: don't go out with my friends, I don't need to
Speaker 2: because I get that Maslow's hierarchy of needs belonging thing
Speaker 2: filled by having my screen open, a loan in my
Speaker 2: apartment and a bunch of people on there. So that
Speaker 2: fills that need for me. So it doesn't force me
Speaker 2: drive me like it did me as a young person
Speaker 2: out of my apartment to a bar or a golf
Speaker 2: place with friends or whatever, because you needed the companionship
Speaker 2: and you couldn't get any other way. Now everybody just
Speaker 2: hangs out together in screens in different rooms, and that's
Speaker 2: what that a guy like a san piker does, And
Speaker 2: then you know, throws off the occasional political blast, and
Speaker 2: people think it's funny or interesting, right, right, right.
Speaker 4: And I get you're not wanting to be knee jerk
Speaker 4: about these sort of things. I'm much more interested in
Speaker 4: understanding things than merely judging them. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: you have to suspend your judgment completely.
Speaker 1: If something's unhealthy.
Speaker 2: It's unhealthy, so it's definitely bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, And I wasn't accusing you of that.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of new to it through.
Speaker 2: I just don't know if there's any stopping it or changing.
Speaker 1: All there is is influencing the people close to you,
Speaker 1: helping them understand what their choices are doing to them,
Speaker 1: you know, until they're fully emancipated and older. Then if
Speaker 1: they come to you and ask, you might tell them,
Speaker 1: or if you'd like to drive a wedge between you
Speaker 1: and them, you'll just keep it going as when they're adults. Anyway.
Speaker 2: That's I was on a walk with my sixteen year
Speaker 2: old the other night and I said one more thing
Speaker 2: that I promise I'll start stop lecturing, because we were
Speaker 2: on a walk and I was on like topic three
Speaker 2: of dad advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, well, you know.
Speaker 2: You get their ear not that often, So I got
Speaker 2: your ear.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, I wish I'd been better at picking my
Speaker 4: spots back in the day. Well, by the time you
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, it's over anyway. Oh man, I've
Speaker 4: got a really important and heavy topic. I'm trying to
Speaker 4: decide if I can know.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about today at some point maybe
Speaker 2: next segment, at least a little bit, perhaps the most
Speaker 2: important date in my life. So I will throw that
Speaker 2: out there a little bit and a bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1: Just stay here, Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 2: So today is August seventh that we're recording this. If
Speaker 2: you're listening to the podcast, and every August seventh for
Speaker 2: the past nineteen years, I guess would be the math.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this because this is the twenty year anniversary
Speaker 2: of me no longer drinking alcohol as an alcoholic, and
Speaker 2: I mentioned it for a variety of reasons, including often
Speaker 2: people reach out who say they heard that, and then
Speaker 2: they make an effort to quit drinking and have some
Speaker 2: success with it. But I was just thinking about how
Speaker 2: I'm amazed that twenty years into this, I don't feel
Speaker 2: like there's a whole lot more known about addiction than
Speaker 2: there was twenty years ago when I first started thinking
Speaker 2: about it. Wonder while we're making so little progress on that.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's an interesting point.
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons is I don't have any idea.
Speaker 2: I know quite a bit about alcoholics and alcoholism. I think,
Speaker 2: just from experience of being around hundreds, maybe four figures
Speaker 2: worth of alcoholics, I probably spent more time this week
Speaker 2: counseling other alcoholics who are new than I did on
Speaker 2: my job. I do it all the time. The amount
Speaker 2: of time I spend on the phone or in person
Speaker 2: with people lots and lots and lots of hours. It
Speaker 2: is a well known thing that that's the way you
Speaker 2: stay sober. Helping other people try to stay sober is
Speaker 2: what That's why you do it. It keeps you sober.
Speaker 2: So that's the way it works. But so I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time talking to people, and particularly this week,
Speaker 2: some people in some really bad life situations. But it's
Speaker 2: amazing to me how little is known. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I know something about alcoholics and alcoholism. I don't have
Speaker 2: any knowledge as to whether that transfers or not to
Speaker 2: overeating or gambling or being a meth head. I don't
Speaker 2: have the slightest idea. I'm not a scientist, I'm not
Speaker 2: anything else. All I know is this, But I'm just
Speaker 2: surprised we haven't gotten further since it's quite a scourge,
Speaker 2: as we've all noticed for a lot of our cities,
Speaker 2: mostly drug addiction, although most drug addicts also drink.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only thing that pops into my mind is
Speaker 4: with the GLP one drugs that eliminate the quote unquote
Speaker 4: food noise in your head thinking yeah, I to eat,
Speaker 4: I ought to eat have helped a lot of people
Speaker 4: with alcohol noise, whether they quote unquote needed help or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The problem.
Speaker 4: I wonder if we're moving toward understanding those neurological triggers better.
Speaker 2: I hope so. And I don't claim to know anything,
Speaker 2: but I do know that all the people I talk to,
Speaker 2: almost all the people I talk to, new people different,
Speaker 2: you're new, you're still wanting to drink. Almost everybody I
Speaker 2: talk to on a regular basis they don't have any
Speaker 2: alcohol noise at all. The problem is the reason you're
Speaker 2: an alcoholic because you can't handle life and you need some
Speaker 2: way to deal with life. It's not the craving for alcohol,
Speaker 2: it's the I can't handle this situation, I'm gonna lose
Speaker 2: my freaking mind, and so having the noise about alcohol
Speaker 2: go away wouldn't make any difference to me. I still
Speaker 2: work on my alcoholism every day. I put more time
Speaker 2: into that than practically anything I do every day. And
Speaker 2: it's not because I want to drink. It's because life
Speaker 2: is difficult and I have to have a figure out
Speaker 2: a way to deal with life.
Speaker 4: I think that runs counter to what ninety percent of
Speaker 4: people think. I know alcoholism is.
Speaker 2: I know it is. That's why I want to talk
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, that's why I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And it's also why I don't know how that applies
Speaker 2: to heroin. For instance, the vast majority of people, like
Speaker 2: something like ninety plus percent of people drink and are
Speaker 2: never alcoholics. From what I understand, if I I did
Speaker 2: heroin every day, I would be a heroin addict very quickly,
Speaker 2: and it's just the thing. And then from heroin addicts
Speaker 2: I know deal with the physical craving of opioid, opioids,
Speaker 2: opioids or whatever a heroine is for the rest of
Speaker 2: their lives. The same with nicotine. People I've known who
Speaker 2: are nicotine addicts deal with the nicotine addiction the rest
Speaker 2: of their life. I haven't had a desire to drink
Speaker 2: any alcohol in nineteen years and eight months. I know
Speaker 2: the day. But so like my mom could become a
Speaker 2: heroin addict this weekend, I think I don't think she
Speaker 2: could become an alcoholic. So, like I said, I don't
Speaker 2: know anything other than I think those things are true,
Speaker 2: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Know why well.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking about a couple of people I've known
Speaker 4: who had serious compulsive eating problems, and that was about
Speaker 4: control and a little bit of pleasure as the world
Speaker 4: overwhelmed them.
Speaker 1: So where does that fit?
Speaker 2: Maybe food? It's closer to alcohol than it is heroin.
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea. I don't claim to ever
Speaker 2: have any idea about anything other than I do know
Speaker 2: something about alcoholism, and I can be of some help
Speaker 2: with that. But I have nothing I can offer for
Speaker 2: anything else because I don't know, and neither does doesn't
Speaker 2: seem to be anybody else does either. I know that
Speaker 2: rehabs for all these people and all these drugs on
Speaker 2: the street work almost never. I also know they'll work
Speaker 2: almost never for alcoholics too, But they work almost never,
Speaker 2: So we haven't figured it out. It should be nice
Speaker 2: if we did. I know people who have addicted sisters, brothers, kids,
Speaker 2: parents would give anything in the world for some sort
Speaker 2: of solution and can't find one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, including people with unlimited money. Right. Don't think Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry wanted to not be dead in a hot of.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't think. I'm not sure he wanted to
Speaker 2: quit so that I was about to get there. The
Speaker 2: key to the whole thing is wanting to quit more
Speaker 2: than anything else. And most people, in my experience, I
Speaker 2: don't know about most, and I certainly again, I can't
Speaker 2: speak for anything else other than I've been around a
Speaker 2: lot of drunks. There's lots and lots and lots of
Speaker 2: people that think they want to quit, or claim they
Speaker 2: want to quit, or even are saying to themselves, I
Speaker 2: want to quit, but they don't really really want to quit.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem. Until you really really want to
Speaker 2: quit doing what you're doing, it ain't gonna happen. That's
Speaker 2: that old joke about the you know how many psychiatrists
Speaker 2: to change attire one but he has to really want
Speaker 2: to change, you know that that whole thing, And and
Speaker 2: I don't know how you get there either. I thought
Speaker 2: I wanted to quit for a long time, but I
Speaker 2: didn't really really want to quit until I did. How
Speaker 2: you cross that line, how you give that to somebody?
Speaker 2: How you get there? No idea.
Speaker 4: Wow, but I was ready to write down the conclusions
Speaker 4: you're going to give us.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wish I had to answer it. I wish
Speaker 2: I had the answer in case, in case my kids
Speaker 2: ever need the answer, or people haven't been talking to.
Speaker 2: In the last couple of weeks, I've seen people blow
Speaker 2: up their lives. I've seen people I know. I know
Speaker 2: several people that have died. I know a guy who
Speaker 2: hung himself. I know a guy who set himself on fire.
Speaker 2: I got lots of stories like that.
Speaker 1: Yikes, yikes, yikes.
Speaker 2: Including people. The guy who hung himself had been sober
Speaker 2: for a dozen years. The guy who set himself on
Speaker 2: fire had been sober for like twenty years. It never
Speaker 2: ends once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic again, Is that
Speaker 2: true for hern addicts or people who eat too much?
Speaker 2: No idea. I have no knowledge of that, and I
Speaker 2: don't claim I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, talking about how much you wish you had
Speaker 4: those answers, I remember, God, I feel it in my
Speaker 4: stomach right now. When we got to Vancouver, Judy and
Speaker 4: I have for our vacation to launch on our lovely cruise.
Speaker 1: Now, this was like a couple of weeks ago. You
Speaker 1: don't know, harp what gladys?
Speaker 2: You know? You know who drinks? Oh boy, she might.
Speaker 2: Do you need to do the twenty questions? Gladys? Have
Speaker 2: you ever seen the twenty questions you ask yourself about
Speaker 2: if you're not part of her?
Speaker 4: Harp hollowed out stamp and there's got snops drinks. That's
Speaker 4: even funny, that's perfect, that's a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But so there we were rolling in our ride to
Speaker 4: the hotel and there are these young people shooting up
Speaker 4: on the pavement right on the main drag and I
Speaker 4: mean I saw a needle go in arm and as
Speaker 4: we were stopping a stoplight, and oh my god, they
Speaker 4: were young, yeah, and watching somebody on not every slope
Speaker 4: is slippery, but that one is watching them on the
Speaker 4: slippery slope towards self destruction. And looking at their faces,
Speaker 4: I could tell they thought they were cool and they
Speaker 4: were a hip and they were a little dangerous and
Speaker 4: they're exploring life, and.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It made me sick. Yeah, it looked
Speaker 1: like my kids.
Speaker 2: Really right, As I tell my kids, particularly my oldest son,
Speaker 2: that started as a good time whenever they started this
Speaker 2: with something else, probably as a good time as a party,
Speaker 2: and it ain't now. Yeah, and they're in a bad spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah don't. I don't, Like I said fifteen times already,
Speaker 2: I have no answer for what we do with that
Speaker 2: part of the world of addiction. Again, I'm just shocked.
Speaker 2: Do they throw lots of money at studying this and
Speaker 2: it's just really hard to unravel with the human mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, can you imagine the amount of
Speaker 4: money that could be made if you actually had the answers?
Speaker 2: Well, the obviously much Obviously you've got the psychological aspect,
Speaker 2: then you've got the physical aspect. If you physically need
Speaker 2: heroin to not be sick, it doesn't even matter what
Speaker 2: your psychological needs are. You physically need to take it
Speaker 2: or you're going to be shaking and throwing up and
Speaker 2: you know, bugs crawling on you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But then if you got if you've got the psychological
Speaker 2: need to deal with wife, what fixes that exactly?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I think of Keith Richards, for instance, the Rolling Stones
Speaker 4: guitarist who got cleaned many times and sometimes for extended periods,
Speaker 4: and his life is better, his band was better, everything
Speaker 4: was better about it. Then he went back on heroin.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, almost everybody I know who went back to
Speaker 2: doing it drinking, because that's my only topic. Their lives
Speaker 2: are going much better.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well it's that's that's the that's the crazy thing. I
Speaker 2: have a friend who likes to anthropomorphize the idea of alcoholism,
Speaker 2: and it's the way I look at it too. It
Speaker 2: is like a person in my brain who wants to
Speaker 2: kill me. And on a daily basis, Oh, this is
Speaker 2: this person's kind of slow here getting your food at
Speaker 2: the restaurant, aren't they Well that's kind of maddening, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Why is it taking them so long? Just it knows
Speaker 2: the things that get to me? Or why ex wife,
Speaker 2: what'd she say the other day? You're just needling me,
Speaker 2: looking for my weak points, knows the things that piss
Speaker 2: me off and trying to get in to the position
Speaker 2: where finally I'll give it and then it's yes, I
Speaker 2: find myself. We got him to drink again. We're back, baby.
Speaker 2: That's what the alcoholism is doing in my brain in
Speaker 2: my belief.
Speaker 1: Wow, how interesting.
Speaker 2: Looking for that thing. I know this, Oh, I know
Speaker 2: this one bothers you. That's what you got to find
Speaker 2: a way to ignore those things that bother you.
Speaker 1: What was that acronym?
Speaker 4: I remember you told me once about when alcoholics are
Speaker 4: most at risk.
Speaker 1: It's all one of them.
Speaker 2: Halt, hungry, angry, lonely, tired. Yeah, four letters, any of
Speaker 2: those four? If you got all four of those, I
Speaker 2: had one. I had one a week ago. I'm not
Speaker 2: proud of this. This almost never happens to me anymore.
Speaker 2: Used to happen to me all the time. This almost
Speaker 2: never happens anymore. But I think I had all four
Speaker 2: of them, going hungry, angry, lonely, tired. And a guy
Speaker 2: at the bank, the teller at the bank, was not
Speaker 2: doing something as quickly as I thought he should be,
Speaker 2: and I made a rude comment to him, and then
Speaker 2: I had to go back and to apologize to him afterwards.
Speaker 2: I had to go back because that's sort of thing
Speaker 2: alcoholics have to do, Otherwise that'll torture me laying in
Speaker 2: bed tonight that I said something rude to this dude
Speaker 2: when all he was doing was doing his job. But
Speaker 2: it was because I had the angry, angry, lonely, tired
Speaker 2: go and the alcoholism on brain was saying, don't put
Speaker 2: up with this. You don't have to put up with this.
Speaker 1: Wow wownah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, when things are going well, which is almost always
Speaker 2: now and for quite a long time, it's effortless. Not
Speaker 2: drinking is the easy thing I do every day for
Speaker 2: nineteen plus years. That is effortless. Thank God that some
Speaker 2: said living life is still hard. Okay, dealing with life
Speaker 2: is still hard, and I think it's hard. I think
Speaker 2: I believe now this is not known. Now I'm now
Speaker 2: I'm into opinion. The other things I said are based
Speaker 2: mostly on enough experience that they're practically fact. Here's something
Speaker 2: that nobody knows for sure. I think you're born an
Speaker 2: alcohol It's something in your brain or body that's different
Speaker 2: than other people that reacts differently to alcoholic alcohol emotionally
Speaker 2: and physically. So that's you either are you aren't. That's
Speaker 2: why I think Donald Trump, his brother died of alcoholism.
Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump's an alcoholic. I think he's an
Speaker 2: alcol who doesn't drink. He's got all the behaviors. But
Speaker 2: what was my point. I had a point as going,
Speaker 2: Oh so alcoholics because of the way they're built. You know,
Speaker 2: how easily butt hurt and angry, trump can get set
Speaker 2: off and all these different things. Alcoholics, that's the way
Speaker 2: we live our lives. And for a while alcohol works
Speaker 2: as a solution to that dealing with life, but then
Speaker 2: it stops because you just need more and more and
Speaker 2: more and you got to find something else or you're
Speaker 2: you're in a bad shape. But that you know, that
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily go away, but there are ways to treat it.
Speaker 2: And I won't get into any of all that where
Speaker 2: it makes life pretty easy most of the time. The
Speaker 2: moments where I'm angry at the bank teller are few
Speaker 2: and far between. Life is so much easier for me
Speaker 2: now than it was twenty years ago or ten years
Speaker 2: ago or whatever. But that's the key, is to keep
Speaker 2: the annoyance of living down and then you don't have
Speaker 2: to worry about wanting to drink or do anything else.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's good advice, no matter whether you're an
Speaker 1: alcoholic or not.
Speaker 2: I just think alcohol I don't know that, but I
Speaker 2: think alcoholics are particularly easily annoyed by life.
Speaker 1: Wow, I was born annoyed.
Speaker 2: So I grew up with two normal parents. Both of
Speaker 2: them are just it's so easy for them to just
Speaker 2: accept things. Well, that's the way that guy is, or
Speaker 2: that's the way this situation is, or this will be
Speaker 2: a long line or whatever. That's just the way they are,
Speaker 2: which is stressed picturing. I watched that like a like
Speaker 2: a like an animal to a zoo, Like what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the strange customs those people have.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I hope that was either interesting or helpful to someone.
Speaker 2: You can quit, that's my message. Okay, more on the way,
Speaker 2: stay here.
Speaker 5: Some business news. After Chipotle Sellijapanos during the concerns about salmonella,
Speaker 5: Kudova did the same thing. It makes sense because you do,
Speaker 5: but gets their jalopanios from the dumpster behind you both?
Speaker 1: What the what?
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, following the Lettuce parasite outbreak, Salad and Go has
Speaker 5: filed for bankruptcy. Salad and Go pretty much explains the outbreak.
Speaker 1: Does that? Oh childish?
Speaker 2: So I won't reset what we were talking about. We
Speaker 2: did have a member of the staff say, what about
Speaker 2: chronic masturbation? I also don't know much about that. Well,
Speaker 2: I know something about it. I don't know about carrying it.
Speaker 2: I don't know about fixing the problem. But I'm a
Speaker 2: anyway about expertise to give you a little insight into
Speaker 2: what it's like to be a semi public figure or whatever.
Speaker 2: We are lots of responses on the text line, lots
Speaker 2: of really nice ones and various people that are walking
Speaker 2: the same trudging the same path of happy destiny that
Speaker 2: I am. With congratulations and that sort of thing. But
Speaker 2: we and this one. Oh my god, thank you Jack.
Speaker 2: You really spoke to me about alcoholism. You may have
Speaker 2: saved my life. God bless you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Nice also God. Several along these lines, this is a
Speaker 2: good one. Jack who gives an F exclamation point, So
Speaker 2: there's yeah, there's that crown, you know, a fair counterpoint.
Speaker 2: Got a F you nobody made you drink? Got one
Speaker 2: of those, so you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 4: I I have wonder if I know I have some
Speaker 4: suspects for my descent those.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about this and this is the
Speaker 2: here anything I did that made myself sound better here,
Speaker 2: and let me say something that will make me sound worse.
Speaker 2: I don't get other people's addictions and stuff. I don't
Speaker 2: get them at all. You eat too much stuff, eating
Speaker 2: so much, you gamble your money away and you got family.
Speaker 2: Stop gambling. What's the what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: For cre What are you stupid?
Speaker 2: So I don't get I don't get other people's problems.
Speaker 4: Well, if you wanted to, you know, rub a little
Speaker 4: dirt on your new white suit, you sure did right there.
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Speaker 4: of information that I found very, very, at least.
Speaker 1: As interesting is the thing.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 4: I was going to talk about, how hard media, from
Speaker 4: Wikipedia to your mainstream media to Google to AI, how
Speaker 4: hard they make it to find something that is perfectly
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