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Speaker 1: All right, let's start here. I'm gonna give priority to
Speaker 1: our premium elite, you know, certified verbalers. We've got a
Speaker 1: group of alphas here that are asking us questions, so
Speaker 1: they get priority. Last year, Jen asks the over under
Speaker 1: Michigan's win total was seven and a half. They're twelve wins,
Speaker 1: surprised a lot of people. Which teams do you think
Speaker 1: are going to surprise everyone this year, either with far
Speaker 1: more wins than are expected or with far fewer than expected.
Speaker 1: And for the record, we are answering or attempting to
Speaker 1: answer this question before springball, before summer, before injuries, before
Speaker 1: any late transfers, coaching moves, anything like that. So to you,
Speaker 1: what qualifies a team as a surprise, like somebody who
Speaker 1: is expected to be bad expected to be good, whatever,
Speaker 1: And what are the pathways that let's stay positive at
Speaker 1: first that a team can outperform the conventional wisdom of
Speaker 1: their future.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean again, you said it. It's March
Speaker 3: the tenth, as most people listen to this show or
Speaker 3: this part of this show, so it's before springball. There
Speaker 3: will probably be another wave of transfers at some point,
Speaker 3: just not going to stop. So that's another thing that
Speaker 3: will we'll need to factor in at some point, but
Speaker 3: at least at present March the tenth. One thing that
Speaker 3: I think we can use as a guide is returning production,
Speaker 3: which teams are bringing back a lot. So on the
Speaker 3: show that we did on Tuesday, we talked a lot
Speaker 3: about Stanford. Stanford went three to nine last year. Stanford's
Speaker 3: road schedule in twenty twenty two is in all that optimal. However,
Speaker 3: they're like third in the nation with respect to returning production. Right,
Speaker 3: that's a team that is of interest to me. I
Speaker 3: could see that happening. Another team that kind of falls
Speaker 3: into the same category as Florida State. Florida State brings
Speaker 3: a lot back. Florida State didn't make the Bowl game,
Speaker 3: you know, relative to last year. I think Florida State's
Speaker 3: got to be better than they were a year ago,
Speaker 3: but what is the expectation. We haven't seen over unders yet,
Speaker 3: so we're kind of flying blind.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: From that standpoint, Stanford I think is an easy candidate.
Speaker 3: Florida State I think will continue to improve. That's another
Speaker 3: the one that jumps out to me as for teams
Speaker 3: beyond that that could maybe exceed expectations. I'm actually quite
Speaker 3: interested in Pitt. Pitt, of course loses Canny Pickett. Canny
Speaker 3: Picktbull most likely going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 3: Mark Whipple goes over to Nebraska, but Pitt still has
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison.
Speaker 1: They brought over.
Speaker 3: Keaton's Slovas, who I think could be a good plug
Speaker 3: and play guy. Sure, I can pull up Pitt's schedule,
Speaker 3: but my guess is that it's fairly workable.
Speaker 1: So that's of.
Speaker 3: Interest to me. Are there any of that jump out
Speaker 3: to you?
Speaker 1: Sometimes teams who lost a quarterback early and have a
Speaker 1: record that was not necessarily representative of their ceiling of
Speaker 1: their potential, like Boston College with Phil dri Khovic, who
Speaker 1: I know because of his size and physical ceiling, has
Speaker 1: garnered some NFL draft talk for next year's cycle, and
Speaker 1: they finished what six and six and almost pulled off
Speaker 1: wins against good two very good teams like Clemson with
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis gross Out, like guys that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: winning those types of games. So this is year now,
Speaker 1: year three of Jeff Hafley. I think he just got
Speaker 1: the extension, so right, it's returning production. And it's also
Speaker 1: to me, a team that even Miami, Right, Miami, we
Speaker 1: don't really have a great concept for, but they certainly
Speaker 1: look like a different team offensively once Tyler van Dijk. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, different staff, different offense presumably, but that to
Speaker 1: me is interesting when a team made a quarterback change
Speaker 1: that paid off in big ways and just in terms
Speaker 1: of teams developing and improving in a sort of natural state,
Speaker 1: like I think Michigan State could fall off because they
Speaker 1: had some breaks, and I still think they're going to
Speaker 1: be very good. But eleven win good, I think, and
Speaker 1: that's with the Bowl game. I think that's asking a lot.
Speaker 1: Indiana made a lot of wholesale changes. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're as bad as their zero to nine in the
Speaker 1: Big Ten record might indicate, and just I mean, they
Speaker 1: lost a ton of transfers. We'll see, but that's another team.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's due Nebraska. Obviously a lot has
Speaker 1: been talked about how they are better than their record
Speaker 1: indicated last year. Well, we talked about that on the
Speaker 1: three and nine episode. Other teams that are going to
Speaker 1: make significant jumps in that same way, you know what,
Speaker 1: Michigan went from seven and a half to twelve. I
Speaker 1: actually think Michigan's do to fall off a bit back
Speaker 1: in the other direction. Yeah, yeah, we talked about lost
Speaker 1: lost a ton of key pieces on defense. They lose
Speaker 1: Josh Gaddis and now look, they could be getting better
Speaker 1: at quarterback full time with JJ McCarthy if that move,
Speaker 1: which is looking like it's going to be the case, happens.
Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona State has the makings of an
Speaker 1: eight win program after what they've lost both in the
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff and now at quarterback with Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1: I think Arizona is a team that could jump up
Speaker 1: and make some more noise as a one and eleven program.
Speaker 1: I think they could win four or five. He's just
Speaker 1: a portal hard yeah, hit me.
Speaker 3: I think Clemson could be an interesting study here.
Speaker 1: This is Clemson's all over the place for me.
Speaker 3: Continue Yeah, I mean I'm trying to avoid purpose league
Speaker 3: teams that had coaching changes or of new coaches, because frankly,
Speaker 3: that could.
Speaker 1: Go any direction. You have no idea.
Speaker 3: Clemson's interesting because the top guy, Dabostwueeny's still there, but
Speaker 3: a lot of the support staff, top assistants, the ad
Speaker 3: guys went everywhere, and so they're rebuilding that thing from
Speaker 3: the inside out. The season last year was quote unquote underwhelming,
Speaker 3: even though they won ten games whatever. It was so
Speaker 3: still a pretty good team. They had a ton of
Speaker 3: injuries to deal with, but at least on the coaching side,
Speaker 3: they're going to be starting over in many respects, and
Speaker 3: that that, like you said, kind of all over the
Speaker 3: map could go almost any direction.
Speaker 1: Ole Miss is a team that I think could jump
Speaker 1: back a couple games, winning ten games with an experienced quarterback.
Speaker 1: Now it's the Jackson Dart led team. I think they're
Speaker 1: going to have a terrific offense. But I just think
Speaker 1: there is a margin for err involved with ole Miss.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they got to ten wins with a
Speaker 1: couple of super close calls, notably that Arkansas game, and
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case every year. Texas A
Speaker 1: and M is interesting to me. Another one of those
Speaker 1: teams that dealt with a very early quarterback injury, and
Speaker 1: for better or worse, doubt Kyle Zada was probably at
Speaker 1: best an eight win quarterback, which is where Texas A
Speaker 1: and M finished. They now add Max Johnson. They've got
Speaker 1: interesting young options. You know, Haines King is presumably healthy,
Speaker 1: and with what they've done these past couple of years
Speaker 1: on the recruiting trail, they should be deeper than ever.
Speaker 1: And who did Texas A and M early on? I
Speaker 1: think they have Miami. I think they host Miami. Yep,
Speaker 1: So that's that's actually a terrific time probably to get
Speaker 1: a newly coached and a new look Miami team, and
Speaker 1: Kyle Field's a pretty difficult place to play generally speaking.
Speaker 1: I think they could pop up two or three oh yeah, wins.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's a perfect segue into Melty's question,
Speaker 3: which you've got high made. Next, here's the question, if
Speaker 3: you got a pair of tickets to any regular season
Speaker 3: game this year, which would you go to and who
Speaker 3: would you take? Okay, so the friends matchup and spouses
Speaker 3: and children not allowed, So all right, I am approaching
Speaker 3: this from the standpoint of low hanging fruit, low hanging
Speaker 3: fruit being big neutral site games. Now, I know where
Speaker 3: you're aut on neutral site games. I'm with you, but
Speaker 3: we've got some really good non conference games early that
Speaker 3: are played at neutral sites. The one that I want
Speaker 3: to talk to you about, well, the two that I
Speaker 3: want to talk to you about are both on Labor
Speaker 3: Day weekend. The first is the Chick fil A kickoff
Speaker 3: game between your Oregon Ducks and Georgia. I think that's
Speaker 3: just going to be a cool matchup. I'd love to
Speaker 3: see it. I'm excited about that game. We may go
Speaker 3: to that game, I don't know. Secondly, the next day,
Speaker 3: I guess it would be on Sunday, September the fourth,
Speaker 3: Florida State versus LSU. They played in the Superdome. That
Speaker 3: could be a hell of a time. Like if you
Speaker 3: and I are just like going without any kind of
Speaker 3: you know, spouses or kids with us, NOL is a
Speaker 3: pretty good place to go. So I'm looking at that
Speaker 3: one and I'm thinking, all right, LC's got a new
Speaker 3: new coach, no expectations, Florida State's going to be loaded
Speaker 3: for bear. They bring a fair amount back. I think
Speaker 3: they'll be better based on the question we just answered
Speaker 3: that could be interesting. I kind of think that might
Speaker 3: be my answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to a neutral side game. You
Speaker 1: give me an opportunity to go to Atlanta or New
Speaker 1: Orleans and watch it in an NFL stadium. I would
Speaker 1: love to go to Georgia, Oregon, and I may go
Speaker 1: to Georgia, Oregon. But if you're gonna give me a
Speaker 1: choice of any of these games, both from an environment
Speaker 1: a location perspective, I just I don't know. We have
Speaker 1: what another Clemson Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State is in
Speaker 1: Columbus this year, saying MBAMA is in Tuscaloosa. Continue, how
Speaker 1: about Texas against Alabama? But where's that game? Games in Texas?
Speaker 1: Week two? Is it it's in Austin or is it
Speaker 1: at Jerry World? No, it's in Austin. That that might
Speaker 1: be my answer. I'm looking right now. It's week two,
Speaker 1: so it's about September tenth I just looked in Austin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's September the tenth um.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, I would. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: my answer. If I get to go to Austin and
Speaker 1: I get to watch that matchup, you have the narrative
Speaker 1: sark and Saban. We presume Quinn yours in his second game.
Speaker 1: I don't know who Texas has week one. The environment
Speaker 1: at DKR is not the best, but I think it
Speaker 1: should be pretty electric for Bama. Yeah, and it's a
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine national championship rematch. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: that that may be more for food and friends I
Speaker 1: have in Austin than anything else. I've been to a
Speaker 1: couple of games already at DKR, so there's no novelty
Speaker 1: factor there. I think that's my answer. Sure, great, excellent.
Speaker 1: Where are we going? Next question.
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: This is in line with that Cheddar, who is obviously
Speaker 1: an alpha on the Discord server runfoballers dot com. What
Speaker 1: is the matchup that would create the best meal if
Speaker 1: you combine the unique local cuisines from each school, So
Speaker 1: you probably have to either do food and drink or
Speaker 1: entree dessert. So if you were coming up with a
Speaker 1: matchup so you could use okay for beer, you could
Speaker 1: use a number of plays.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not gonna be good at this one, right,
Speaker 3: I'm just not as well versed in the travel aspect
Speaker 3: of college football, So I understand as you the former
Speaker 3: SI Tour guide. Yeah, so you're gonna have to answer
Speaker 3: this one. I will do my best to tell you
Speaker 3: with grunts and with gunneral sounds what sounds good and
Speaker 3: what doesn't. But I just don't have the local flavor
Speaker 3: like you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really difficult to combine foods that would work
Speaker 1: well together. I think there is something I'll go. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a selfish homer here, I'll go Oregon
Speaker 1: LSU because of both the seafood in both places. So yeah,
Speaker 1: good seafood in the Pacific Northwest. Obviously your salmon, you
Speaker 1: have your special your guy ducks, right, the huge oyster
Speaker 1: or type things, and you have the Cajun food, and
Speaker 1: you have the beer, and you have the wine. You
Speaker 1: have breweries in Oregon, You've got a wine area if
Speaker 1: you're into wine vintner is that what a wine enthusiast
Speaker 1: is called. And then all the crazy food of Louisiana,
Speaker 1: all the incredible food, your Cajun influence. So that's probably
Speaker 1: my answer that would give us both a good football
Speaker 1: matchup and a good food matchup. You can go across
Speaker 1: the country very easily. You can go you know, Mexican
Speaker 1: food with USC or UCLA, just geographically usc is going
Speaker 1: to give you better Mexican food in that downtown LA area,
Speaker 1: then you're going to get in you know, Westwood. You
Speaker 1: compare that with somewhere that does really good beer.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's probably my dream. And we got that,
Speaker 1: albeit on a neutral site Oregon LSU in like twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: There it is. How about that? Sure?
Speaker 3: I'm thinking like a Wisconsin Ohio state matchup this year
Speaker 3: between the Brats and there are some good breweries in Coloria, Columbus. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just craft brewery type places. None that I could probably
Speaker 3: name off the top of my head. I think Great Blake,
Speaker 3: Great Lakes Brewing excuse me, is in Ohio.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's a tough question. You get some
Speaker 1: Jenny's ice cream? Yeah, if you if you really want
Speaker 1: to go dairy heavy with you know, Wisconsin, bringing the
Speaker 1: brots and cheese cards and finish it off with some
Speaker 1: ice cream with Jenny. It's not a sponsor, could be.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Is there anything you could mix with Skyline Chili in Cincinnati?
Speaker 1: I would prefer not to. That might be last on
Speaker 1: my list. Cincinnati has very good food. I'm not into that,
Speaker 1: all right, No, there's there's a lot of interesting things
Speaker 1: you could do with that answer.
Speaker 2: Just let us know.
Speaker 1: Just a tweet at us with Instagram whatever. Next top
Speaker 1: next question, Frank wants to know who do you think
Speaker 1: will do better over the next few years at their
Speaker 1: new locations. Lincoln Riley or Mario Cristo ball Kay Mario Crystabal.
Speaker 1: Both are top recruiters, improven winners. They're both moving from
Speaker 1: small towns with strong football program to big time beach
Speaker 1: cities with a lot to offer five star kids in
Speaker 1: addition to football. Both enter week conferences, joining historically great
Speaker 1: football brands falling recently. And Dan adds parenthetically the last
Speaker 1: fifteen to seventeen years on on hard times. Yeah, who
Speaker 1: is better set up for? And who do you expect
Speaker 1: to if we return to this question in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, somewhere along there, who has more whatever
Speaker 1: measure of your success ten win seasons, conference crowns, playoff appearances.
Speaker 3: I'm inclined to say Lincoln Riley in usc Okay, I
Speaker 3: am focused primarily right now on the recruiting beat. Okay,
Speaker 3: these are two areas of the country that have a
Speaker 3: fertile crescent of sorts when it comes to Crescent High
Speaker 3: School prospects. Yep eh okay, But I feel like USC
Speaker 3: now being kind of the splashy program led by the
Speaker 3: younger guy, Lincoln Riley, I feel like it's going to be.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's going to go a long way
Speaker 3: towards keeping some of those kids home. So I think
Speaker 3: they've got a built in recruiting advantage there.
Speaker 1: I think Lincoln.
Speaker 3: Riley, with it with only because he's bringing his own
Speaker 3: guys over from Oklahoma, is going to be able to
Speaker 3: get that thing out of the gate to a hot start,
Speaker 3: and I think he's going to be able to use
Speaker 3: that to propel the program forward. As Frank said, both
Speaker 3: sides of this equation are pretty weak from a conference standpoint,
Speaker 3: Like you've obviously got Clemson to deal with in the ACC.
Speaker 3: You know there are other teams that have gotten better
Speaker 3: in the ACC as well, so maybe a little bit
Speaker 3: more resistance there. But I feel pretty good.
Speaker 1: About Lincoln Riley out west. I think my answer is
Speaker 1: Mario Christobal h and I think Miami is more serious
Speaker 1: about poor resources into the program when you look at
Speaker 1: how much money they spent on their staff, when you
Speaker 1: look at what Mario Christobal was able to do in
Speaker 1: bringing up Oregon's resources and commitment to football and building
Speaker 1: out that program. What Lincoln Riley has done in terms
Speaker 1: of staff hires, it doesn't leave me all that excited.
Speaker 1: Are we comparing staves here? Staves? Well, no, we are
Speaker 1: comparing paths, and we're comparing I mean, look, it's the
Speaker 1: division and conference in which these teams play. It's the
Speaker 1: ability to find and develop a quarterback into a huge
Speaker 1: success and the ability to build up consistent talent and
Speaker 1: depth on the roster. I have no doubt that Lincoln
Speaker 1: Riley is going to continuously find quarterbacks. I have no
Speaker 1: doubt that Lincoln Riley is going to elevate USC's regional
Speaker 1: and national recruiting. My question is can the region perduce
Speaker 1: enough lineman depth for USC to provide confidence in me
Speaker 1: saying yeah, they'll win ten plus games every year when
Speaker 1: USC is just hasn't been that place. Miami hasn't either,
Speaker 1: but their pathway within that division is pretty clear depending
Speaker 1: on what you believe in. In terms of North Carolina
Speaker 1: right now and Brent Prye and Virginia Tech, I just
Speaker 1: the ceiling just seems so much higher for Miami. But again,
Speaker 1: this is in Miami team. How many acc crowns are
Speaker 1: we talking about? I believe that be zero zero? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you are taking a chance with you taking more
Speaker 1: of a risk with with Miami. Mark Chris Ball has
Speaker 1: taken precisely zero teams to the college football Playoff?
Speaker 3: Right? Is that is factually correct in And yeah, Also
Speaker 3: I'd add as a counterpoint, we've heard this song and
Speaker 3: dance on the Miami front before.
Speaker 1: Of course we joked about it. When they hire.
Speaker 3: Cchriyst of Ball, it seems like a race to get
Speaker 3: the most Miami guy possible to coach the program. So
Speaker 3: having him there, Look, I do believe he's a cut
Speaker 3: above what they've had before. He's a known recruiter, he's
Speaker 3: a good coach, he's a good coach. I think he
Speaker 3: will get them going in the right direction. I truly
Speaker 3: honestly believe that. But in terms of who can get
Speaker 3: a program up and running quicker, I think the answer
Speaker 3: there is Lincoln Riley. And I think if you do it,
Speaker 3: I think if you bring Caleb Williams over, if he
Speaker 3: continues to have the success that we believe he'll have,
Speaker 3: or that's just going to feedback into the award of
Speaker 3: the program that that's going to jumpstart that recruiting operation
Speaker 3: and take it to a level that it hasn't been
Speaker 3: at in quite some time.
Speaker 1: And he should have two years of Caleb Williams, whereas
Speaker 1: Tyler van Dyck might only be in Miami for another
Speaker 1: one year. So I am banking on the ACC providing
Speaker 1: for less resistance than the PAC twelve at this point,
Speaker 1: just because Utah exists, just because the talent ceiling of
Speaker 1: Oregon is pretty impressive. Otherwise, I don't know, there's not
Speaker 1: much in the PAC twelve. And Sam could be said,
Speaker 1: you know, Clemson's not necessarily heading in the right direction.
Speaker 1: I think just Miami right now, I think they can
Speaker 1: build a deeper defense, And to me, that is just
Speaker 1: I think what they what Miami's roster can look like,
Speaker 1: is more impressive than what USC's roster can look like.
Speaker 1: Fair Enough, I'm fair enough one with Mario and Miami
Speaker 1: in the next five years or so. Next question. Ten
Speaker 1: years ago, I could never have imagined we'd be in
Speaker 1: the era of the portal and of players picking schools
Speaker 1: based on nil deals. Yeah, what do you think will
Speaker 1: be the biggest factors shaping the game in twenty thirty two, Ty,
Speaker 1: how old will you be in twenty thirty two?
Speaker 2: Nd about that?
Speaker 1: Don't want to talk about that that no one is
Speaker 1: talking about now, as Ty would be then a dude
Speaker 1: having entered his sixth decade of life. That's correct, That
Speaker 1: is actually correct. Well, I mean, thank you.
Speaker 3: Anytime you get a question like this, the answer is
Speaker 3: always in forever lasers, right, of.
Speaker 1: Course, obviously obviously drones, lasers, laser, drones, drone lasers.
Speaker 3: Yep, I think the answer is lasers. Dan who asked
Speaker 3: the question, Dan, A couple things come to mind, but
Speaker 3: kind of on that same note, technology is definitely shaping.
Speaker 1: The way we view all sports.
Speaker 3: I would expect ten years from now that VR is
Speaker 3: going to be a big deal, a much bigger deal
Speaker 3: than it is.
Speaker 1: Think so.
Speaker 3: I think so so in terms of how it shapes
Speaker 3: the game, maybe not on field, but the fan experience.
Speaker 3: I could see going in a direction where VR is
Speaker 3: a thing and how we experience the game at home
Speaker 3: is very much driven by optics, literal optics that we
Speaker 3: put on our head. I think that could be a thing.
Speaker 3: I'm going to hold out hope that in ten years
Speaker 3: we can put a chip in a ball and we
Speaker 3: don't have to leave it to Dean Blandino or guys
Speaker 3: somewhere in a truck with eight K televisions to figure
Speaker 3: out did the ball cross the line or not. We've
Speaker 3: got to be able to put the chip in the ball, Dan,
Speaker 3: got to be able to do that. Somebody can do
Speaker 3: that now. I gotta believe that's going to be one
Speaker 3: of the next revolutions that comes over the next ten years.
Speaker 1: We could have robot umpires for baseball, and yet we don't.
Speaker 1: They shot that down, right, I know, I saw that.
Speaker 1: That's a bummer.
Speaker 3: They shot that down. Robots is another answer in line
Speaker 3: with the lasers. Yeah, will we see any robotics, Dan.
Speaker 1: I think the organization of the sport is going to
Speaker 1: look a whole lot different. I think things are going
Speaker 1: to continue to consolidate. College football has shown itself and
Speaker 1: a number all major sports have shown themselves to be
Speaker 1: entities that don't move backwards. And so if we are
Speaker 1: talking about a sport in which conferences are getting bigger
Speaker 1: and are focusing on television money, then things are going
Speaker 1: to further consolidate. The idea of college football. For better
Speaker 1: or worse. I say, for worse has been to chase
Speaker 1: the NFL model, So I think we're going to end
Speaker 1: up with fewer conferences. I think we're going to end
Speaker 1: up with a much more consolidated sport chasing more and
Speaker 1: more TV money. The Playoff will continue to expand. I
Speaker 1: don't know the exact year. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: by twenty thirty two, whatever, we know it's going to
Speaker 1: expand at least to six, eight, ten, twelve games before then.
Speaker 1: But I think there will be there will be a
Speaker 1: reckoning at a certain point where a bubble will burst
Speaker 1: and there will have to be a conversation around Okay,
Speaker 1: college football is now a national sport, do we have
Speaker 1: a national governing body? That to me is going to
Speaker 1: be the biggest change. I think by twenty thirty two
Speaker 1: there will be a national governing body in place, not
Speaker 1: necessarily in the way that the College Football Playoff governing
Speaker 1: body exists, because it's not really a governing body, just
Speaker 1: an organizational grouping. I think there is going to be
Speaker 1: a fundamental shift between the haves and have nots, and
Speaker 1: there will be a governing body that is saying, okay,
Speaker 1: these are the rules be it about nil, be it
Speaker 1: about any sort of payment, be it about actual rules,
Speaker 1: beat about scholarships, be about scheduling. I think there will
Speaker 1: be a major shift in how the sport is organized
Speaker 1: and governed, and that there will be a group. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a commissioner. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's a board. I don't know if there's some sort
Speaker 1: of consortium of conference commissioners that come together and make
Speaker 1: these make the rules for the sport. But I think
Speaker 1: we are heading in that direction where college football sees
Speaker 1: the amount of money on the table and says, if
Speaker 1: we can get our act together and turn this into
Speaker 1: more of a machine, turn this into a full organization,
Speaker 1: then we can do better financially and we can spread
Speaker 1: the resources around more effectively. So that's my answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the money aspect here I think has
Speaker 3: potential to change a lot. Now, at time of recording,
Speaker 3: it is March, it is twenty twenty two. Reportedly EA
Speaker 3: Sports is dropping the new college football game in twenty three. Now.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that confirmed, but that's the report that
Speaker 3: I think could actually drive change in a pretty big way,
Speaker 3: and especially with respect to things like nil, and especially
Speaker 3: with respect to representation for the players and where that
Speaker 3: whole movement goes next, Because suddenly we're talking about a
Speaker 3: pretty big source of income for everybody, sort of a
Speaker 3: calm denominator, if you will, How that is handled, how
Speaker 3: that affects things on the NIL front moving forward, It's
Speaker 3: gonna be really interesting to see. But could it drive
Speaker 3: us to the place could it drive the sport to
Speaker 3: a place where we're talking about things like commissioners, where
Speaker 3: we're talking about things like collective bargaining.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I might be getting a little bit over over my
Speaker 3: skis here, but that I think could be a pretty
Speaker 3: big moment for us as we examine this question over
Speaker 3: the next decade.
Speaker 1: I also don't think and I think this is and
Speaker 1: just from talking to people, I don't think prospects maybe
Speaker 1: the top of the top of the top, with all
Speaker 1: things being equal, make a decision that heavily weighs ANIL stuff.
Speaker 1: But I still think the schools that have the most
Speaker 1: money are already the schools are generally really good who
Speaker 1: have those huge donor bases. Look, Texas hasn't been good
Speaker 1: in quite some time, and they have that donor base,
Speaker 1: and they could organize and they could, you know, put
Speaker 1: together these collectives that pay top recruits whatever X amount
Speaker 1: of dollars. But also, you still have to want to
Speaker 1: play for Texas. You still have to want to play
Speaker 1: for Tennessee or Florida State or USC or any of
Speaker 1: these places that are sort of trying to use NIL
Speaker 1: in a big way. And so I still don't think
Speaker 1: somebody is going to exclusively go to a place because
Speaker 1: of short term earning. I still think that we are
Speaker 1: we are selling kids and their intellect and decision making
Speaker 1: abilities a little bit short when we assume that that's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the process. So I think I
Speaker 1: think specifically NIL is going to get a lot more organized.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this with Matt Brown. You can
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that podcast from a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He was excellent in that this is still
Speaker 1: the infancy of the name image likeness era, and so
Speaker 1: markets will correct themselves, will better organize themselves. And you know,
Speaker 1: far be it for me to just assume major sports
Speaker 1: knows what it's doing, because you look across a major
Speaker 1: sport knows what it's doing. You look across the Olympics,
Speaker 1: you look across baseball, and the NFL like there's no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason to anything. I think there is going
Speaker 1: to be a reckoning with gambling. That's interesting one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a question about that. Of course, it's
Speaker 3: in the news right now. My hunch has got a
Speaker 3: lot of folks listening have seeing the Calvin Ridley news
Speaker 3: and where things stand with him being in the NFL
Speaker 3: and gambling and that whole disaster that we're going to
Speaker 3: see play out in real time. But gambling money is
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Will colleges more openly embrace it, will conferences, will the
Speaker 3: playoff more open embrace it?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: If the Gamba companies had their drugs, they would it
Speaker 3: would be a tighter relationship. You might have logos on uniforms.
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll get there, but it definitely has
Speaker 3: the potential to, I think, affect things in a pretty
Speaker 3: big way.
Speaker 1: Here's the certainty, and this is, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of days, three or four days after the Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: being suspended for a year for betting, what you say,
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred bucks on parlays NFL parlays including the Falcons
Speaker 1: to win. So he wasn't betting against his own team,
Speaker 1: which I guess is something. But the certainty, the one
Speaker 1: hundred percent is going to be a wife, a nephew,
Speaker 1: a son, a brother, a parent of somebody within a
Speaker 1: program having inside information putting ten thousand dollars on a
Speaker 1: game and it being traced back that and I'm fully
Speaker 1: making this up that PJ. Flex nephew puts eighty five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars down on the Gophers because they surprise and
Speaker 1: got back a quarterback who had been injured. And nobody
Speaker 1: knows this or that get has intel that a key player,
Speaker 1: usually a quarterback, sometimes a running back is out with
Speaker 1: a surprise injury. Is you know, he was hungover and
Speaker 1: snapped his ankle trying to jump over a fire hydrant
Speaker 1: or something the night before a game. And there's going
Speaker 1: to be suspicious money pushed around a game that will
Speaker 1: be traced back to a big name coach. That to
Speaker 1: me with how easy it is to gamble, and Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley did this on his phone, correct, yep. That is
Speaker 1: it's going to be too enticing for somebody with inside
Speaker 1: information and it's going to be connected to a coach
Speaker 1: or a strength coach or whoever, or a you know,
Speaker 1: a girlfriend or whatever of a player. We'll be like, ooh,
Speaker 1: this is a little bit fishy and too suspicious, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be further investigated, and there might be
Speaker 1: repercussions involved somehow, That to me, by twenty thirty two,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent will happen maybe by the end of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Next question, Next question, nor Norden Cam.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Nordon Cam sure from Instagram? How
Speaker 1: can Tennessee prepare its defense for the workload of always
Speaker 1: being on the field. I assume that's sort of for better,
Speaker 1: for worse and Hendon Hooker's coming back. Tennessee's offensive footprint
Speaker 1: per bell c they had the number one pace in
Speaker 1: college football last season, so for better worse meaning they'll
Speaker 1: go three and out quickly, or they'll bomb it down
Speaker 1: the field and score quickly. And I don't anticipate that
Speaker 1: style changing anytime soon. How do you account for that, coach, Tie?
Speaker 3: If I'm not a coach, I'm a podcaster. Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: talking about true class on grass here. With that Tennessee
Speaker 3: offense number one pace first off, one way that you
Speaker 3: can help account for it is by making your offense
Speaker 3: as efficient as possible. If you're going to be on
Speaker 3: the field for a very short period of time, make
Speaker 3: sure you get the most bang for the buck. So
Speaker 3: any way that you can make the offense better. If
Speaker 3: that's what you're saying, score points, score points, right, I'm
Speaker 3: saying quite literally, score points. If you're going to be
Speaker 3: running NASCAR offense. That that's the first thing. The second thing,
Speaker 3: I guess comes down to the type of players that
Speaker 3: you're recruiting, the types of guys that you're putting out there.
Speaker 3: All you gotta do is watch the NFL combine to
Speaker 3: realize that athletes are a little bit different now than
Speaker 3: they were ten years ago. There are so many more
Speaker 3: guys that are out there now that kind of fit
Speaker 3: that hybrid mold than what we'd see a decade ago.
Speaker 3: If you're tennessee any guys like that, any guys that
Speaker 3: can be versatile, that can play a bunch of different positions,
Speaker 3: that you know have stamina. You can't really afford to
Speaker 3: go out there with three hundred and fifty pound defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Those guys are going to be guessed.
Speaker 3: So you need to be able to build a defense
Speaker 3: that I think has much more of a hybrid look
Speaker 3: and feel to it, so that you can get your
Speaker 3: guys in space and they're not going to die when
Speaker 3: they're on the field.
Speaker 1: The entire game one slow down a little bit, fully,
Speaker 1: not fully, have different speeds. There was an old Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly story that you know, as fast as Oregon was
Speaker 1: playing when they really started playing with that kind of tempo,
Speaker 1: they had red, yellow and green. They had green for
Speaker 1: when it was go go, go, go go. They had
Speaker 1: yellow when it was like hurry up and then get
Speaker 1: to the line and look over so the other team
Speaker 1: still can't substitute. And then a much slower like milking
Speaker 1: the clock type pace. So Tennessee with what little Josh
Speaker 1: hipel inherited said, Okay, one of our advantages if we
Speaker 1: don't have a great offensive line is going to be
Speaker 1: the speed at which we play, because that will gas
Speaker 1: teams and that will mitigate any issues we have along
Speaker 1: the offensive line. And they developed running backs. You know,
Speaker 1: they were able to play and win in different ways.
Speaker 1: Tyon Evans came on in the middle of the year,
Speaker 1: of course, and they were bombing it downfield and it
Speaker 1: worked really, really well. Once Hendon Hooker took over as
Speaker 1: the full time starting quarterback. Here's what you can do.
Speaker 1: You can the most difficult and most obvious answer is
Speaker 1: recruit a super talented and deep defense. You just rotate
Speaker 1: in and out, keep them fresh, and then you can
Speaker 1: get off the field quicker because you're constantly rotating in
Speaker 1: fresh legs. That's what Georgia was able to do last year.
Speaker 1: Pretty hard to replicate, pretty hard to replicate. And Georgia
Speaker 1: didn't have an offense that played with the pace that
Speaker 1: Tennessee's played with, right, but they were constantly bringing guys
Speaker 1: in and out of the game. This was when you
Speaker 1: recruit the way that Georgia did in a few years
Speaker 1: leading up to twenty twenty one. You can do that.
Speaker 1: Another way is you just got to get off the field.
Speaker 1: And how do you get off the field, or you
Speaker 1: get off the field with turnovers. There's a randomness to that.
Speaker 1: But you can teach a defense to give it self
Speaker 1: the best chance at generating turnovers, and you know preaching strips, preaching,
Speaker 1: you know, hands in passing lanes to get the ball
Speaker 1: into the air. You can look at the teams and
Speaker 1: the coordinators and assistants who have been a part of defense,
Speaker 1: a defense that have been especially good at getting off
Speaker 1: the field on third down, especially good at fielding defenses
Speaker 1: that have high three and out percentages, and that those
Speaker 1: all those numbers are readily available. And you look at
Speaker 1: the teams who are able to even without a ton
Speaker 1: of talent, maybe you look at the FCS level, maybe
Speaker 1: you look at you know, G five level, whatever, the
Speaker 1: teams who are able to force the an uncharacteristically low
Speaker 1: completion percentage from quarterbacks right that they're able to generate confusion,
Speaker 1: that they're able to sew, you know, to get that
Speaker 1: extra second or two seconds that that makes a quarterback hesitate.
Speaker 1: Find those guys. And so if you are fully dedicated
Speaker 1: to playing with that kind of pace, you need to
Speaker 1: be dedicated to robust rotation and finding a coach who
Speaker 1: is especially adept at confusion. That to me is how
Speaker 1: you do it.
Speaker 2: Do we think hypel can do that?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, I think if Tennessee has its affairs in
Speaker 1: order more so than usual, that they are not going
Speaker 1: to be outbid for assistant coaches, then assistant may choose
Speaker 1: to go elsewhere who has options. But I don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a money thing. I think the
Speaker 1: more that they win, the more interest they're going to
Speaker 1: generate from regional talent. We've seen that they're not going
Speaker 1: to be outbid from an nil perspective, as the collective
Speaker 1: has allegedly come together to pool together money to compete
Speaker 1: on the recruiting trail. So I think Josh Hipel is
Speaker 1: all in on running both a modern offense and a
Speaker 1: modern program. So I don't know if that results in
Speaker 1: ten to eleven wins seasons more often than not, but
Speaker 1: I think Tennessee is trying to give itself every chance
Speaker 1: in the world to do that. We'll see what they
Speaker 1: end up at a quarterback. That's going to be huge
Speaker 1: because they're competing with some of the best nationally. But
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an especially attractive offensive
Speaker 1: style that will attract top quarterbacks in the years to come.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the defense thing is going to remain a question.
Speaker 1: You need to stay out in front and be innovative
Speaker 1: and really look at the guys who consistently get their
Speaker 1: own defenses off the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to that point, Dan, if you're talking about
Speaker 3: things like turnovers, we're talking about havoc rate, right, We're
Speaker 3: talking about creating place is when the defense is on
Speaker 3: the field to try and maybe tilt the scales in
Speaker 3: your favor. One of the factors that I think you know,
Speaker 3: we had talked about at some point or another. Tennessee's
Speaker 3: defense was pretty good this year, but Tennessee as a
Speaker 3: blitzing team was.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily where it needed to be.
Speaker 3: So, right, if you're talking about this equation where your
Speaker 3: defense is always on the field, your offense is only
Speaker 3: on the field for a small percentage of the time,
Speaker 3: you got to get the most out of those blitzes.
Speaker 3: That's one area for improvement for Tennessee in twenty two
Speaker 3: and beyond.
Speaker 1: The good thing about Tennessee in year one was that
Speaker 1: their special teams was also pretty good. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: when you talk about the hidden yards and what you
Speaker 1: force teams into, if you are forcing bad field position
Speaker 1: a lot because of touchbacks from kickoffs and deep punts
Speaker 1: and sound you know coverage, and you know guys staying
Speaker 1: in their lanes and making tackles where they should, you're
Speaker 1: giving yourself every chance in the world to get off
Speaker 1: the field. If you're pinning teams pretty consistently, and also
Speaker 1: if you're making special teams that result in short fields
Speaker 1: for your offense. If you're blocking kicks, so whatever, if
Speaker 1: you're doing what it takes. In special teams, you also
Speaker 1: change the calculus a little bit, because all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're up fourteen to three, and a team who's not
Speaker 1: used to playing from behind and doesn't necessarily have an
Speaker 1: offense built to play from behind suddenly chucking the ball
Speaker 1: a lot and a lot more than usual, and that's
Speaker 1: stopping the clock, and that's getting their own offense off
Speaker 1: the field. So I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: things you can do on the margins, and honestly, I
Speaker 1: think Tennessee will give itself every chance to do so.
Speaker 1: They are one of the few programs that, even without
Speaker 1: a lot of recent success, will attempt to spend their
Speaker 1: way to success, which is I think it's better than
Speaker 1: not so here here. I think there you have our answer.
Speaker 2: Mean Joe.
Speaker 1: A oh, that's a different mean Joe than I was expecting.
Speaker 1: Different Mean Joe is West Virginia in trouble number one
Speaker 1: for transfers in the portal. I can't confirm that. I
Speaker 1: did go to their transfer page on twenty four to seven,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of WVU and then an arrow
Speaker 1: pointing elsewhere and not as much pointing towards WVU from elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Is West Virginia in your mind in trouble under Neil Brown?
Speaker 3: Well, if we harken back to the returning production thing
Speaker 3: that I mentioned before, yea, West Virginia is, Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: looking for people. They're looking for people who could come
Speaker 3: in and run things. It's going to be a lot
Speaker 3: of new faces, especially on offense for West Virginia. I
Speaker 3: kind of don't know directionally which way this program's going,
Speaker 3: and I've struggled with that over the last two seasons,
Speaker 3: especially last season. Twenty twenty was moan, but twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Was sort of all over the place.
Speaker 3: Still have a little bit of PTSD from that bowl game.
Speaker 3: The bowl game against Minnesota, what was at eighteen to six?
Speaker 3: Eighteen to six, Yep, it's a really bad offensive showing there.
Speaker 3: The reason that I struggle with West Virginia is because
Speaker 3: there are moments where you see that level of effort
Speaker 3: that you expect. Right there was a one score get
Speaker 3: one score loss, what they lose by three points on.
Speaker 1: The road to Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Oklahoma was sort.
Speaker 3: Of in disarray early, but still you know you're looking
Speaker 3: at that game thinking well, geez, they lost sixteen thirteen.
Speaker 3: It must be doing something right, especially on defense. There
Speaker 3: were other games they beat Iowa State, They beat Iowa
Speaker 3: followed that up with what what do they follow up
Speaker 3: the Iowa State win with like scoring three against Oklahoma State?
Speaker 3: They lost by twenty one Oklahoma State at home. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's just sort of been all over the mat.
Speaker 3: I beat Texas, right, Texas wasn't any great win, but
Speaker 3: like they're just there's not enough consistency there in terms
Speaker 3: of when they're getting their wins or when they're not
Speaker 3: getting their wins, and that scares me a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that I don't know if we've
Speaker 3: seen that consistency on the uptick in the time that
Speaker 3: Neil Brown's been in Morgantown. Right, And as you're trying
Speaker 3: to build something and directionally just get it going in
Speaker 3: a good way, like you would hope that you start
Speaker 3: to see something that's just a little bit more reliable
Speaker 3: across the board. And that's what frightens me. That we
Speaker 3: can go into numbers.
Speaker 1: We've got all the numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you've got the same stuff in front
Speaker 3: of you that I have in front of me. But
Speaker 3: the consistency aspect of this is what really frightens me.
Speaker 1: So West Virginia is in a really difficult place. So, okay,
Speaker 1: West Virginia plays in a conference that it is not
Speaker 1: in a largely geographic footprint of. So you go to
Speaker 1: teams on the you go to you know, high schools
Speaker 1: on the east coast in the southeast, and you say,
Speaker 1: come come play at West Virginia. We'll see you in Lubbock,
Speaker 1: We'll see you in Waco, and it's just it's very
Speaker 1: difficult for to convince players to come to Morgantown to
Speaker 1: play far away, specifically in a specially when what the
Speaker 1: hell is West Virginia football under Neil Brown under Dana Holgerson.
Speaker 1: You're like super creative, fast, fun offense. To play in it,
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback, in, to be a receiver, in
Speaker 1: to be a running back in there is a brand,
Speaker 1: There is an identity to West Virginia football that was
Speaker 1: extremely positive and extremely enticing from my vantage point, if
Speaker 1: you are a perhaps undersized receiver from Florida, like they
Speaker 1: were able to get so much out of or North
Speaker 1: Carolina or South Carolina wherever somewhere in that that footprint Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, under Neil Brown. It's sort of and this
Speaker 1: is to borrow an NBA term, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: program on the treadmill of mediocrity. If you are in
Speaker 1: the portal looking for playing time, looking to contribute to
Speaker 1: a major program. West Virginia was just kind of average
Speaker 1: last year. So you can't go to West Virginia and say, man,
Speaker 1: they need a lot of help on defense. I'm going
Speaker 1: to immediately come in and play and show out in
Speaker 1: a major conference, in the Big twelve. If you're an
Speaker 1: offensive player, if you receiver, of which I think they've
Speaker 1: lost four or five in the portal specifically this year,
Speaker 1: what was your experience these last couple of years playing receiver.
Speaker 1: You're catching five yard passes from Jarrett Dagy who's now
Speaker 1: at Western Kentucky. So they don't hit the portal hard
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. They hired Graham Harrell to hopefully improve
Speaker 1: the branding of that offense, but it's not like what
Speaker 1: was he able to do at USC with top tier talent,
Speaker 1: not a ton Those were disappointing offenses with a ton
Speaker 1: of NFL receivers. They you know, they part ways with
Speaker 1: Vic Canning in twenty twenty, and so you know there
Speaker 1: are guys that are recruited by him are thinking they're
Speaker 1: going to play in that specific defense, and so that changes.
Speaker 1: And so you're just sort of in no man's land
Speaker 1: right now at West Virginia because what are you going
Speaker 1: there to do? Definitively, I can't answer that question.
Speaker 3: Like it's the identity, right, The identity is what you're
Speaker 3: getting at. It's a good question, and it sort of
Speaker 3: is pervasive across the board. Right is your identity in
Speaker 3: terms of like a geego graphic college football thing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, you're removed at least right now at present from
Speaker 3: the center of gravity of your conference. They're like half
Speaker 3: a world away, half a country way.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: What is your identity on offense? On defense? My point
Speaker 3: was going to be especially around the quarterback position, right it.
Speaker 3: Jared Dagi threw nineteen touchdowns this year to twelve interceptions.
Speaker 3: If inconsistency is my overarching theme here, yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: pretty good place to look.
Speaker 1: Sure. I like Jared Deggy, He's all right.
Speaker 3: He completed sixty five percent of his passes, but inconsistency
Speaker 3: was pretty much there across the board. Doing the little
Speaker 3: things well has definitely not been a hallmark of Neil
Speaker 3: Brown's time in Morgantown. And that type of stuff adds
Speaker 3: up over time.
Speaker 1: It just does. Yeah, And I think transfers, and this
Speaker 1: is clearly stating the obvious. Transfers on that huge level,
Speaker 1: at such a big number indicate people don't want to
Speaker 1: be there and for whatever reason, be it the losing,
Speaker 1: be it the uninspired identity, be it the culture within
Speaker 1: the program, be it the location of the program, be
Speaker 1: it the conference of the program. It's not a big
Speaker 1: long term indicator of a turnaround, of a quick turnaround.
Speaker 1: And so if you were a defensive player, if you're
Speaker 1: van Darius Cowen who's heading to I think Maryland right
Speaker 1: he was? Was he Obama player before West Virginia. This
Speaker 1: is second transfer. You can look that up. You're holding
Speaker 1: teams to sixteen points in losing. You're holding teams to
Speaker 1: eighteen points in a bowl game and losing by scoring.
Speaker 1: I don't think they score a touchdown. I think that
Speaker 1: six was two field goals. You can fact check me
Speaker 1: on that as well. It's just like at a certain
Speaker 1: point you're going to say we're holding up our end
Speaker 1: of the bargain and the offense is has not and
Speaker 1: is not getting better. So that to me is the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah with West Virginia is there's not a lot you
Speaker 1: can point to in the during the Neil Brown era
Speaker 1: where you're like, this is what this program is and
Speaker 1: that's what excites me. Yeah, and right now it's it's
Speaker 1: it's an attention economy. And god, I sound like a
Speaker 1: dumb tech bro when I say really, but it is
Speaker 1: and Virginia doing to garner attention.
Speaker 3: Neil Brown's forty one years old, definitely one of the
Speaker 3: younger coaches out there. He's going to go into year
Speaker 3: four with a mark of seventeen and eighteen in Morgantown.
Speaker 3: That is in start contrast to what he did at Troy,
Speaker 3: where the first year was bad and then he won
Speaker 3: double digits the next three. Different set of circumstances, obvious, sure,
Speaker 3: completely different, but we have not seen that turnaround story
Speaker 3: at all with West Virginia. Twenty nineteen five and seven,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six and four weird.
Speaker 1: COVID year Make of it what you will.
Speaker 3: Last year finished the year six and seven, so by
Speaker 3: a large five hundred program under Neil Brown, you need
Speaker 3: to see if you can turn things around in good direction.
Speaker 3: We take one more question.
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Speaker 1: of Entemens. No, it must be weirdly regional. You're you're
Speaker 1: on the outside. Yeah. What is your favorite breakfast pastry
Speaker 1: or your go to breakfast pastry? Yeah? Yeah, talk me
Speaker 1: through your stance on breakfast page. I don't really eat
Speaker 1: in the morning, but that doesn't mean I don't eat
Speaker 1: breakfast pastries, just a different time of day. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I love.
Speaker 3: A good a good breakfast pastry.
Speaker 1: I'm a big time fan of it.
Speaker 3: I love a good blueberry muffin.
Speaker 1: Okay, talk to me through, talk me through your ideal
Speaker 1: blueberry muffin. Well, the problem that I see with a
Speaker 1: lot of blueberry muffins, as you know, amconnaissur of such
Speaker 1: always they make them too big. That's your complaint. No,
Speaker 1: it's not a complaint, but it's.
Speaker 3: Just you just said they're too big. That sounds like
Speaker 3: a complaint. It's not intended as a complaint. But you
Speaker 3: can't eat those things without a fork and a knife.
Speaker 3: It's impossible if you try to eat. If you try
Speaker 3: to eat the full blueberry muffin, just by sticking it
Speaker 3: in your mouth, you look like you're a barbarian.
Speaker 1: That's true, because they're huge. And then you just rip
Speaker 1: off chunks.
Speaker 2: Then you get crumbsle over you.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want I
Speaker 3: want the primal blueberry muffin experience. I'm not ripping off chunks.
Speaker 3: I'm just sticking the thing in my mouth, Okay, And
Speaker 3: so when you make the gargantuan blueberry muffin, that's a problem.
Speaker 3: That's my only real if you want to call it complaint,
Speaker 3: okay with blueberry muffins, but beyond that, yeah, I like.
Speaker 3: I like if I get fresh blueberries in there.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: I like if they've got have you ever made blueberry muffins?
Speaker 1: Pretty easy?
Speaker 3: I like if they've got like the sugar flakes on top.
Speaker 1: Always great.
Speaker 3: That give you that a little bit extra kick in
Speaker 3: the morning, just get you going. I like that, sure,
Speaker 3: I like it if they're cold, actually.
Speaker 1: Okay, fresh and blueberry muffin. Yeah, I like it. The
Speaker 1: refrigerator whoa okay, unexpected twist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that, feel like that texture. Do you
Speaker 3: have an answer?
Speaker 1: Well, I have blueberry muffin thoughts. If you want to
Speaker 1: talk more blueberry, you talk about whatever you want Dan
Speaker 1: all right in a berry muffin, I want, I want
Speaker 1: something rigid up top, and you you go to the
Speaker 1: temperature for something that that stiffens it a little bit.
Speaker 1: The cold. I would like crystallized sugar or pearl sugar,
Speaker 1: which sort of looks like sesame seeds, but a little
Speaker 1: baking sugar type things. Maybe a strusole presence, you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of clustery, crunchy type elements of a of
Speaker 1: a muffin. I never hate a strusle top, but I
Speaker 1: I do want that harder top to a muffin if
Speaker 1: I'm in that direction. And yeah, the crystal eye sugar
Speaker 1: or the pearl sugar whatever, I'm great with. I like
Speaker 1: it warm, though, I want that. I want a little
Speaker 1: bit of steam when I opened it up fresh out
Speaker 1: of the oven. Yeah. I'm not a big muffin guy.
Speaker 1: I do like so my go to if I was,
Speaker 1: if I were to be offered any sort of traditional
Speaker 1: breakfast pastry. I want an old fashioned donut, or I
Speaker 1: want like an apple frit or something like that. A
Speaker 1: donut with texture, with ridges with crevasses, that's what I want.
Speaker 1: I like a good lemon muffin, but I haven't found
Speaker 1: a lot of good ones that I love. There was
Speaker 1: a place in Brooklyn called Smith Canteen that made the
Speaker 1: best I've ever had rest in peace. No longer there
Speaker 1: the other breakfast that or the pastry that I like,
Speaker 1: you can't find it in a lot of places. Is
Speaker 1: It's my definitively like hipster answer. There is a Swedish
Speaker 1: breakfast pastry. It's kind of like a cinnamon roll, but
Speaker 1: it's like a It's if you combined the appearance and
Speaker 1: texture of a garlic knot with the taste of a
Speaker 1: cinnamon roll. We may have stopped off and got one
Speaker 1: of these in Austin together, Okay. It's called so you
Speaker 1: can get it with a with a cardamom presence, okay,
Speaker 1: and that's really good, or just the cinnamon and have
Speaker 1: the sugar. It's called a canal booler okay, And I'd
Speaker 1: had never had one before going to this place. Easy
Speaker 1: Tiger of which you wear an easy tiger hat on
Speaker 1: the show sometimes down. Yeah, but it goes really well
Speaker 1: with coffee because it's not iced like a cinnamon roll.
Speaker 1: So it's it's not that like cinnabun sweet and dripping
Speaker 1: kind of thing and messy. It's a little bit smaller
Speaker 1: and more handheld, and you get the texture from the knots.
Speaker 1: So I think that is my and I like the
Speaker 1: cardamom version. That is my hipster snobby answer. And then
Speaker 1: apple fritter or blueberry old fashioned donut if I'm sticking
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not a big wasissanct guy. I like Bobka.
Speaker 1: Bobka can be good for as a breakfast paste that
Speaker 1: again has that texture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the problem with this question. Yeah, guys, stop
Speaker 3: asking us food questions. Stop stop asking the food questions.
Speaker 2: All right, he likes food. Dan likes food. He's very
Speaker 2: good like the food. Oh, I like food.
Speaker 1: Everybody likes food.
Speaker 3: But you know food, I don't know anything about any
Speaker 3: of this stuff. I don't I know something that tastes
Speaker 3: good when I that's what I know. I'm looking desperately.
Speaker 3: I can't turn the camera around. I am looking desperately
Speaker 3: on Google images to find the name of the thing
Speaker 3: that I know I like, but I couldn't think of
Speaker 3: and defaulted to blueberry muffins. Let's just peel back the
Speaker 3: kimono here and let you know what's going on inside
Speaker 3: my head. I am desperately searching for an answer here.
Speaker 3: I looked at these questions beforehand. I still don't know
Speaker 3: the name of the thing that I actually like.
Speaker 1: Can you describe it? We can all work together.
Speaker 2: It sort of flakes a little bit.
Speaker 1: But it's not a croissant. It's not a crysant.
Speaker 2: It's bigger.
Speaker 1: Give me a shape. It could be any.
Speaker 3: Shape square, and it's sort of it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 3: like a real sweet flavor to it, almost like maybe
Speaker 3: like a cream cheese filling.
Speaker 1: Okay, of sorts, So is it more savory? Is it
Speaker 1: a scone? A savory scone? It's not a scone's.
Speaker 3: It's more it's just more of like a cream cheese taste.
Speaker 1: To it, a cream cheese square, a rectangular, traditional flaky pastry,
Speaker 1: possibly on the more savory side. Yeah, it's not a
Speaker 1: pop tart. No, it's not a popart. Did you grow
Speaker 1: up with pop tarts? By the way, is that a
Speaker 1: part of your rotation growing up.
Speaker 3: Or currently, say rotation's a bit much, but yes, I mean,
Speaker 3: of course I grew up with pop tarts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really have that many pop I like
Speaker 1: pop tarts, but I don't really have that many growing up.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work through this. So it's a flaky
Speaker 1: cream cheese breakfast pastry. Flaky cream cheese breakfast pastry.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm sure there's a name for this thing that
Speaker 3: I've got in my head. I don't know what you're
Speaker 3: talking about. A Danish Sure, I guess, No, I guess.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it Danish is. I don't
Speaker 3: know what the classifications are.
Speaker 1: For these things. I don't do you feel like it
Speaker 1: is a like specifically like Germanic type influence, that it's
Speaker 1: like unique to Eastern PA. It looks like Danish is
Speaker 1: the right answer here. Yeah, okay, I like Danish are delicious.
Speaker 1: There it is. I'm a I'm a big Danish fan.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I don't like. I don't ask
Speaker 3: the food questions. I don't know the answers to them.
Speaker 3: I'm always be essing my way through them always of
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you another question? Only it's not about food. No,
Speaker 1: it's about food. It's about breakfast pastries. I'm positive you've
Speaker 1: had this or seen this, and I just want your
Speaker 1: opinion on it. How do you feel about crumb slash
Speaker 1: coffee cake? I do like that, of course.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you ever have good molasses cake? Is that typically
Speaker 1: eating for breakfast? You can't eat it for breakfast? I
Speaker 1: mean you can mo hiper eats pumpkin pie for breakfast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any paper breakfast yeah. Um, molasses cake. Yeah, I've heard
Speaker 1: of shoefly pie, which is a molasses pie.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Molasses cake, molasses cake, breakfast, molasses breakfast cake. I mean
Speaker 1: that looks very heavy. It looks extremely heavy. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it'll take you through all the way till like three pm.
Speaker 1: Gives you sort of like a gingerbready vibe. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: ginger vibe. Okay, yeah, No, I've never done that for breakfast,
Speaker 1: but it looks great now. Crumb cake Entiman's crumb cake.
Speaker 1: To be specific with this question, it's so good.
Speaker 3: I have a very limited field of view. People need
Speaker 3: to understand this about I have a very limited field
Speaker 3: of view when it comes to food.
Speaker 2: Really, when it.
Speaker 1: Comes to life.
Speaker 2: Are we talking sports? Are we talking tech? Are we
Speaker 2: talking space?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: These are things that are very much in the wheelhouse,
Speaker 3: but sure, anything in the food world, forget it. Just
Speaker 3: I'm tapping out. I'm getting frustrated here tapping You've.
Speaker 1: Made You've made all sorts of discoveries food wise in
Speaker 1: the last five years that you've been very happy with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know why.
Speaker 3: It's been because of you, And it's been because of
Speaker 3: solid wife Kate. On my own, I am a rube.
Speaker 3: I have no idea about any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling here. I'm gonna lose my voice. It's okay.
Speaker 3: I have no idea about any of this stuff. So
Speaker 3: I have you to thank for avocados.
Speaker 1: Avocados. Of all things avocado. I can tell you is
Speaker 1: everybody is a rube until they're not. If you make
Speaker 1: an effort to try new things, which I think you do,
Speaker 1: then you're at a rube.
Speaker 3: For fourteen years, I'm answering food questions. I don't know
Speaker 3: a damn thing about any of it. Nothing make me up.
Speaker 1: Agree barbecue a couple of years ago that you loved
Speaker 1: it's great.
Speaker 3: Don't know anything about that either. It tastes good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but people are like, what's your specific parents?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have heard what about? What about?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I forget what I was going to ask, but oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you just found it, like a great Italian deli nearby.
Speaker 1: I did like a meatball parm.
Speaker 3: But I know Italian food. I'm from an Italian fan.
Speaker 3: Joy that I know pizza. Actually, I sort of know.
Speaker 1: We gotta get you to Italy, man, you know Italian
Speaker 1: American food. That's just what I know. I don't know
Speaker 1: Italian Italian Italian food all that well at all, which
Speaker 1: I'd like to know more. Yeah, I'm with you on
Speaker 1: that front. Yeah, all right, we got to keep this going.
Speaker 1: We have a bunch of questions about pants, about sauces,
Speaker 1: more about college football, about child rearing, about marriage, ty.
Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about. I know so
Speaker 1: much about child rearing.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I'm rearing to go, and I'm getting warmed up now.
Speaker 1: I'm all woe.
Speaker 2: The juice is flowing here.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is agitated. This is I'm agitated.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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