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Speaker 1: What do we have Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: breaking news this morning to get to some new indications

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Speaker 1: for you. The FED making some big moves, and actually

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Speaker 1: just like they are now. And even the vote in

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Speaker 1: the Senate, this is a show they know it's not

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Speaker 1: ultimately going to I wanted to put people on the record. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 1: what is that ultimately going to do nothing? And to

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Speaker 1: that end, let's put this up there on the screen

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Speaker 1: specifically about this, which is that they really do not

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Speaker 1: seem to have the votes. The last time the Senate

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Speaker 1: voted on this, it was forty six to forty eight,

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Speaker 1: but Susan Collins and Murkowski voted against the cloture motion.

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Speaker 1: This time around, I guess it's certainly possible that they

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Speaker 1: might be able to, but that obviously also doesn't give

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Speaker 1: you the sixty votes that would be needed to advance

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Speaker 1: to an actual vote. So in terms of what the

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Speaker 1: vote would be on cloture. Senator Joe Manchin has already

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Speaker 1: come out and he said that, you know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: he's pro life. It's one of the reasons that he

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Speaker 1: supported these justices, so he would not be a vote.

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Speaker 1: You could possibly swap that out with Senators Murkowski and Collins,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I went ahead and checked Crystal. Senator Casey,

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Speaker 1: Bob Casey, Pennsylvania, I believe is the last pro life Democrat. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess. You know, however, you count your mansion last

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Speaker 1: mainstream pro life Democrat who's actually in the Senate, and

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Speaker 1: apparently his father is the person who was involved in

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Speaker 1: the Casey decision of nineteen ninety two. I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not either. I was reading yesterday and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's the Casey fascinating. So there you go in terms

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Speaker 1: of what that means. So the votes itself, you could

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Speaker 1: swap out those two, but you would still probably come

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Speaker 1: two to fifty. I guess if they did scrap the filibuster,

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Speaker 1: though they don't have the votes to scrap the filibuster,

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Speaker 1: that that could then theoretically be broken by Kamala Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, the House, I believe passed this

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Speaker 1: with two one hundred and eighteen votes. I know there's

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Speaker 1: a smattering of Democrats who are in the House, so

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Speaker 1: I believe our pro life. So there you go. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the votes, they don't have the votes. Procedurally,

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Speaker 1: they also don't Also, I think it should be mentioned

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Speaker 1: that the Senators John Thune and others in the Republican

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Speaker 1: leadership were asked if they would overturn the filibuster in

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Speaker 1: order to try and outright ban abortion nationwide, and they

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Speaker 1: ruled that out. Yeah, well right, you know, we'll see,

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Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't know. Also as actually you know,

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Speaker 1: just telling you from an internal GOP politics perspective, that's

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Speaker 1: going to be the next real knock against McConnell, which

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Speaker 1: is they're going to be like, you guys need to

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Speaker 1: nuke the filibuster from the social Conservatives and the you know,

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Speaker 1: the social cons Yes, they've just won this. However, they

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Speaker 1: you know, their goal is in outright ban even though

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Speaker 1: that's like thirteen percent or whatever that actually supports something

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Speaker 1: like that. Anyway, that very much likely to be in

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Speaker 1: major point of contention if Trump does win the election

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Speaker 1: again and there is a majority of Republicans. Yeah, they'll

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Speaker 1: be under a lot of part David Sure actually has

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Speaker 1: projected out that it's with very with them, the realm

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Speaker 1: of possibility that Trump, if he gets reelected, would have

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Speaker 1: a super majority in the Senate. So then a lot

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Speaker 1: of those guys are really going to be put on

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Speaker 1: the uh, really going to be put under the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, you guys have said for decades you

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Speaker 1: support this, Like are you going to vote for it

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Speaker 1: or not? So that'll be a popcorn time. There's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of dog that caught the car for the

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Speaker 1: GOP H I definitely think, no doubt, I think about it.

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Speaker 1: It was better for them politically, which again is why

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Speaker 1: they're like, let's talk about the leak and not this

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Speaker 1: other thing. When this was hanging out there as a

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Speaker 1: way to motivate there, at this time it's going to

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Speaker 1: have This time it's going to you got to vote

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Speaker 1: for us, So this time it's going to happen. So

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Speaker 1: now they're going to have to they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to deal with that. The last thing I want to

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Speaker 1: say about the abortion politics, just on a macro level,

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Speaker 1: and again to give you insight into my own philosophy

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Speaker 1: and why even though I, you know, am broadly pro

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Speaker 1: choice and have always been, it's not at the core

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Speaker 1: of my politics. You know, the overwhelming majority of women

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Speaker 1: and their new numbers about this who end up seeking

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Speaker 1: an abortion are low income. And you know, it's very

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Speaker 1: clear that the overwhelming reason why women go down this

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Speaker 1: path is because they can't because having a family is

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Speaker 1: basically like a luxury good in this society. And so

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Speaker 1: if you really care about women's autonomy or family autonomy

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Speaker 1: in this country, you know, you should focus a lot

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Speaker 1: on making sure people have higher wages, good jobs, unions,

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things you know, on whichever side of

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Speaker 1: the debate you're on, that would automatically lessen abortions by

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Speaker 1: significant degree. And so it was very interesting to me,

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Speaker 1: and I put on this tweet that was like pointing

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Speaker 1: out the class dynamics of this, basically saying like, look,

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Speaker 1: if you're a wealthy woman, you've always been able to

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Speaker 1: get whatever care, whatever, doctors, whatever you ultimately want. This

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Speaker 1: is really about the autonomy of poor and working class women.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting to me the number of women who

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Speaker 1: rushed in to assure me that this was not a

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Speaker 1: class issue. The class had nothing to do with it,

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Speaker 1: that it would equally hurt all women, because that's a

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Speaker 1: way of sort of shifting the debate away from these

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Speaker 1: other material conditions that create this situation that you know,

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Speaker 1: women feel like they have no other choice ultimately. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: just something I've been thinking about in terms of the

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Speaker 1: surrounding material conditions and how much that matters in terms

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Speaker 1: of it's kind of this like market based personal responsibility

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Speaker 1: neoliberal type solution of like we're not going to make

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Speaker 1: it so you can actually have a family and afford

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Speaker 1: to support a family, but I guess we'll give you

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Speaker 1: this out, so we're going to really commit ourselves to that.

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Speaker 1: That is fascinating. I can't believe it anybody would even

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Speaker 1: object to that. That's just like objective was a bit

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Speaker 1: shocked too. Just take a look at the people, look

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Speaker 1: at the numbers. It's public record. You can go and

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Speaker 1: see exactly who it is. You know. This also does

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Speaker 1: put Republicans majorly on the spot because a lot of

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Speaker 1: them have said some version of and this is more

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Speaker 1: of an online phenomenon of the most prolite, pro life folks,

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Speaker 1: they're like, listen, you know, if it means that we

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Speaker 1: would abolish abortion, then we would support a much more

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Speaker 1: robust welfare state in order to support all these Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like guy said, look, I'm skeptically too. I've you know,

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen I've been hoodwinked enough times in order

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Speaker 1: to remain very very skeptical on this. But if it

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Speaker 1: becomes the case, it's like, okay, well now you're on

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Speaker 1: the spot. You know, are you going to fund you know,

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Speaker 1: adoption clinics. Are you going to fund and make it

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Speaker 1: possible for low income or single moms or whatever? Probably

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Speaker 1: what they're the most Disrobortionately, I believe poor single moms

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Speaker 1: most likely in order to pursue the abortionble abortion patient

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Speaker 1: is actually already a mother, So they're you know, very

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Speaker 1: much concerned with the family they already have and being

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Speaker 1: able to take care of themselves and their their you know,

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Speaker 1: children that they already have. So yeah, so come on, guys,

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Speaker 1: show us like, yeah, we'll see it on board with

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Speaker 1: the child tax credit list. Yes, Actually, Ross Douthad had

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Speaker 1: I think he had a column like years ago, maybe

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Speaker 1: like a decade ago. Somebody can go and fact check

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Speaker 1: me on this where he wrote he's like, look, I'm

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Speaker 1: pro live. I'm absolutely for the overturning of Roe versus

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Speaker 1: way that he said, but I don't believe the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party is ready yet for the robust welfare state that

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Speaker 1: it would require and actually get rid of abortion in

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Speaker 1: this country. So as usual, I think people, if they

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Speaker 1: want an honest, you know, conservative perspective, they should go

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Speaker 1: and listen to Ross specifically on this issue, because I

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Speaker 1: think he and a probably growing number but still very

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Speaker 1: nascent and small people are going to be pushing that

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Speaker 1: if that were to become the case, And it's a

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Speaker 1: very good chance of saying, Okay, show us where your

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Speaker 1: money is, Like, show us, do you really believe this,

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Speaker 1: because if you do, you're going to have to support

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Speaker 1: all of these sorts of policies. I remain incredibly skeptical. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the reward in the GOP, and perhaps this is

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Speaker 1: a good segue to our next segment, the reward in

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Speaker 1: the GOP is not for being unorthodox on economics and

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Speaker 1: you know, supporting a robust support system for families and

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Speaker 1: allowing people to have kids not as just a luxury good,

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Speaker 1: or get married not just as a luxury good. The

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Speaker 1: rewards all come from like being the most obnoxious person

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Speaker 1: possible on the culture war. Yeah, okay, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and move on. Then. So jd Vance winning the Ohio

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Speaker 1: GOP Senate primary. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: He won with thirty three percent of the vote. Coming

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Speaker 1: in second. Was Interestingly enough, the polling did bear out

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Speaker 1: Crystal that Dolwin figure the kind of not never Trump

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Speaker 1: necessarily but Trump skeptical, skeptical and critical the rig election

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Speaker 1: and crap. That was what he really did. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was a multimillionaire. He spent many, many millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars on the air. Josh Mandel, the most cringe character

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Speaker 1: in the history of American politics, suffered a third place defeat.

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Speaker 1: I think all of America Henry Knight on itself and

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Speaker 1: saying that this clown who spent thirty million dollars and

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Speaker 1: put on a fake Southern accent losing is an unambiguously

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Speaker 1: good thing. However, there's an interesting, really test case here

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Speaker 1: as to what this means. Now, Vance obviously is the

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Speaker 1: favorite in order to win this election. Tim Ryan, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope he can meditate his way to the top.

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Speaker 1: Very unlikely, especially in the state of Ohio, right his

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Speaker 1: way to election. Good luck bro whenever it comes to JD.

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Speaker 1: As always personal disclaimer, I've known him for years and

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Speaker 1: he is his friend of mine, so you can always

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Speaker 1: look at my analysis through that, and I think it

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Speaker 1: is always important that people who are in the news

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Speaker 1: say that out right. However, I think it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: here now JD. I think unambiguously ran a very trump

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Speaker 1: Is style campaign. And I'm not talking about that economically.

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Speaker 1: Now I know JD. I've interviewed him several times on economics.

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Speaker 1: He is about as close to me as any member

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Speaker 1: of the sitting Senate would possibly be. That being said,

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Speaker 1: his campaign was not really about economics. His campaign was

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Speaker 1: about immigration, and it was about the culture War. Immigration

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Speaker 1: was his number one issue on this and on the

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Speaker 1: culture Wars specifically, he positioned himself as probably one of

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Speaker 1: the most Trumpet style candidates who was there. And I

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Speaker 1: do hon to say, I do think that is authentically

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Speaker 1: kind of where he is right now. Because there's some

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Speaker 1: skepticism around whether he's playing or acting. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you through my personal interaction with him, I do believe

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Speaker 1: that this is authentic. Now that being said, it translates

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Speaker 1: to how is JD going to be whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: to Congress. And for that, it's interesting to look at

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Speaker 1: the people who spent all this money against him. Crystal,

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Speaker 1: we talked about how the Club for Growth came and

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Speaker 1: attacked JD vance, spending millions of dollars in order to

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Speaker 1: try and destroy him. Now it's fascinating that they were

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Speaker 1: willing to do so because if you look at JD

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Speaker 1: and Josh Mandel and Mike Gibbons, the and the others,

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Speaker 1: none of them really differ on the cultural front. So

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Speaker 1: clearly this was about economics, or at the very least

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Speaker 1: it was about fiscal policy. They saw JD very much,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a character who kind of is against

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Speaker 1: the economic orthodoxy of the Republican Party, and they were

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Speaker 1: willing to spend many, many, many millions of dollars to

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Speaker 1: try and hit him. That could be an indication of

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Speaker 1: how JD is going to govern. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. The incentives in Congress are not

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Speaker 1: to where I would like to see JD govern. As

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Speaker 1: a senator, I was telling you before we went on

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Speaker 1: the air, Senator Holly like a week ago, said well,

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll raise corporate taxes, not we will like maybe

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Speaker 1: the freak out here in Washington and amongst his GOP colleagues,

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: and the behind the scenes level was in a way

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00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: that you can barely comprehend. So it's these stars are

649
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: not aligned in order to vote in the economically populist direction. Yeah, right,

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00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: the incentives in the GOP. And you can see this.

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Speaker 1: You know MTG and Matt Gates flew down to Ohio

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Speaker 1: in order to campaign for JD for a reason, and

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00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: a lot of MAGA people because they believe he's there

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Speaker 1: with them. On culture, Marjorie Tillergreen doesn't give a goddamn

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Speaker 1: about industrial policy. Okay, let's all be honest about what's

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00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: going on. So the incentives in the party and the

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Speaker 1: reason Trump frankly even endorsed him in the first place,

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Speaker 1: I don't think has anything to do with economics. I

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Speaker 1: think it has to do with the fact that Trump

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Speaker 1: likes it. He's famous, and he likes that he's smarter

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00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: than Josh Mandell. And you know, JD's willing to basically

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Speaker 1: suppolcate himself to Trump and say I'm sorry that I

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Speaker 1: didn't vote or I said I wouldn't vote for you.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, he's like he made a mistake, but

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Speaker 1: he's owned up to it. So the real question to

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Speaker 1: me is how does Saul work in practice? And honestly,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's going to have a tough time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about it. Like the

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Speaker 1: amount of institutional money which is allied against this perspective

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Speaker 1: here makes it so that it's very, very convenient. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can look no further than Holly. It's much easier

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00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: to be the January sixth warrior than it is to

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00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: be the guy pushing the anti trust bills? Now, can

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00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: you use one in order to give yourself cover on

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00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: the other? I don't know. I honestly have no idea

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Speaker 1: how that's going to play out. We'll do our best.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do my best to try and stay

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Speaker 1: objective here. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's backed to be

679
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: highly skeptical that there will be much break from orthodoxy

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Speaker 1: on economic issues, because look, Holly is the perfect example here.

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Speaker 1: You know, shortly before January sixth, to the fifth pumping

682
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: and going all in on that nonsense, he was working

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: with Bernie on a new round all stimulus checks. What

684
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: did they didn't get a lot of credit for that point.

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Speaker 1: What did the base rewarding for, Yeah, genuinely, what did

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Speaker 1: the base rewarded for? It was for the fifth pump on.

687
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: James raise more money on that than anything he's ever done.

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Speaker 1: As so, I mean that tells you everything about the

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00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: political landscape and the incentives. And you know, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: especially highly skeptical that someone who didn't run on anything

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Speaker 1: that was economically heterodox really from the base, and who

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00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: focused exclusively in culture war is suddenly going to turn

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Speaker 1: around once they're in office and be different because the

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Speaker 1: reality is, there's always an excuse. There's always an excuse

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00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: of you don't understand because now I've got to run

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Speaker 1: for re election and you know it's already and I've

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00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: got to be able to raise money and they're going

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00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: to come after me, and there's always an excuse for

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00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: why you can't do the right thing, and oh, you

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00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: outsiders just don't ultimately understand. Now. The interesting thing to

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Speaker 1: me also was the way that the media portrayed vance

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Speaker 1: Mandel and Dolan. And actually I was just looking at

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00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: the results on election night, Dolan was ahead of Mandel.

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Speaker 1: Now it looks like Mandel may have just eked out

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Speaker 1: ahead of him for second place. I do want to

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00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: give him his due very close, but anyway, Dolan was

707
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: considered the moderate candidate, and Mandel was considered like to

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00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: the right of him and very far right, and Vance

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00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: was considered the most far right. I mean, the only

710
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Speaker 1: thing you could really say about them that is different

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00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: from a policy perspective at this point in terms of

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Speaker 1: how they ran is just what they said about Trump

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00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: and how they oriented themselves visa the Trump. So not

714
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Speaker 1: only is the Republican base sort of judging candidates based

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Speaker 1: on their how loyal they are to Trump, but the

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: media also judges them in that way. The only one

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00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: of these three that you have any shot, even if

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00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: it's a one percent chance of doing something different on economics,

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00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: like maybe supporting antitrust or supporting some sort of like

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00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: modest corporate tax hike, or supporting some sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: relatively small child taxic or something like that. The only

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Speaker 1: one of the three that you have any chance of

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Speaker 1: that with is jd Which is why the Club for

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Speaker 1: Growth spent millions of dollars ultimately against him. They see

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Speaker 1: that there is a somewhat of a possibility that he

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Speaker 1: could buck them on some economic things that are core

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Speaker 1: to their terrible like elite libertarian type policy, pro corporate policy.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at it from that perspective, where

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Speaker 1: you lined these guys, where the media ligned these guys

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00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: up on the spectrum, really doesn't make any sense. But

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Speaker 1: it tells you everything about the only divide that like

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00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: matters in beltweh media. And it's all about it. I

733
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: don't know how to tell this story that we're trying

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Speaker 1: to not at all. And it's and it's not just

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Speaker 1: on the Republican side. Like you know, anyone who became

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Speaker 1: an opponent of Trump no matter what they thought, no

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00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: matter what wars they supported, no matter how many corporate

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Speaker 1: tax cuts they're on board, no matter what they think

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00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: about anything, then you know they're on the correct side

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Speaker 1: and they're put on this side of the political spectrum.

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Speaker 1: And then it's the same thing with the Republican candidates here.

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00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: It's just all about, you know, how you orient yourself

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Speaker 1: to Trump, and that's how they put you on how

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Speaker 1: far right on the spectrum you are. So it was

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00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: very revealing in that way. You know, I thought the

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Speaker 1: sound we got from Jordan Chariton when he was on

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Speaker 1: the ground there from some of the voters who were

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00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: coming out of a JD Van's event and explaining why

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00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: they liked him. I thought it was very instructive that

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00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: every single one of them basically said, like listen, he

751
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: owned up to his quote unquote mistake in criticizing Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that with this particular race, probably

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00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: what happened is there was a natural affinity towards JD.

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00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: He is from, you know, he has a deep understanding

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00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: of especially rural Ohio actually area that I used to

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Speaker 1: live in Ohio that's been decimated that is basically Appalachia.

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00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: So there was kind of a natural affinity towards him.

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: But there were questions about whether this guy's really on

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Speaker 1: our side, and so Trump created a permission structure for

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00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: people who wanted to vote for JD to go in

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00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: that direction. Of course, he had Peter Teel backing him

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00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: and providing that support for him to get through the

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Speaker 1: stretch when he was not doing well in this campaign. Ultimately,

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Speaker 1: and so Trump, no doubt was the kingmaker in this race.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about it. But you

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00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: found this sagaurch is very interesting. It's not working out

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00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: quite the same way down in Georgia. And so the

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Speaker 1: Trump effect is a little more complex than the storyline

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Speaker 1: might be coming out of this race in Ohio where

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: he definitely decided like JD's the guy, and then it

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Speaker 1: ultimately happened. Gunn put this tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Kemp is running away with the nomination in

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Speaker 1: the GOP primary. He's at nearly sixty percent. Purdue is

774
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: down at twenty one percent. So I mean he's getting

775
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: curb stomped right now. And remember Kemp was, you know,

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Speaker 1: not just like has offered some rhetorical pushback to Trump

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Speaker 1: and stop the steal and all this. I mean, he

778
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: was very strong and saying we're not going down this path,

779
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Speaker 1: and you know, very clear Trump was over the top

780
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Speaker 1: and condemning him, and Georgia voters are like, that's nice,

781
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: but we still prefer this dude over your you know,

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Speaker 1: David Perdue. See. I think this is interesting because everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this shows that the Republicans will just

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Speaker 1: do what Trump wants. Well, Ohio is Trump country, it's

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00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: a trumpy state, so they're obviously going to be the

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Speaker 1: most loyal to him. But then in Georgia, a state

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Speaker 1: that he lost, Well, they're not so trumpy. So it

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00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: just shows you that there's like a real polarization happening

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party. And actually, they even had an

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Speaker 1: exit poll advanced voters or people who voted in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Only sixty percent of Ohio GOP primary voters said that

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Speaker 1: they wanted Trump to run again. Now, obviously that's a majority,

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Speaker 1: but it also shows you forty percent, We're like, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Now those forty percent will probably

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00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: all vote for Trump if he did win the nomination. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but it just shows you, you're like, okay, so the

797
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: enthusiasm isn't that strong, even in the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 1: So what I would point to is this, Trump's endorsement

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00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: matters a ton if you live in Trump Country, if

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Speaker 1: you live in Georgia, or if you live in Arizona,

801
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: or if you live in I don't know, so any

802
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: of these other states where Trump himself is not the dynamic,

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Speaker 1: like animating figure for Republican politicians, then his endorsement either

804
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter or it actually could backfire on you. At

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Speaker 1: the very least, it's not enough in order to carry

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Speaker 1: you across the finish line, certainly as evidence by Produce.

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00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: So it's a way that you need to adjust your

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Speaker 1: thinking when thinking like, oh my god, these Republicans will

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Speaker 1: just vote for whoever Trump says. It's like, well, not necessarily,

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Speaker 1: it's a mixed store. I think it's also I think

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Speaker 1: there are some other factors of play too, So like

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Speaker 1: Josh Mandell was an annoying, terrible candidate who almost gotten

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Speaker 1: a fist site on a debate. So in Georgia you

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Speaker 1: have Kemp who is an incumbent governor. I mean, also

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Speaker 1: don't downplay the power of incumbency, and people have some

816
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: experience with him and who he is and what it's

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Speaker 1: like to live in Georgia with him as governor, separate

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Speaker 1: and apart from whatever Trump's opinion is. Whereas with the

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Speaker 1: GOP primary field in Ohio it's kind of more unformed.

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Speaker 1: People probably had fewer opinions about the candidates who were

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Speaker 1: in play. So in that kind of a wide open

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Speaker 1: arena where you have no incumbent and where people maybe

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Speaker 1: don't have like fully formed, you know, really strongly held

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Speaker 1: views about the different candidates and it's Trump country, then

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00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: you throw Trump into the mix. And yet it's going

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Speaker 1: to be an extraordinarily powerful endorsement, especially when you backed

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Speaker 1: up with you know, Tucker was also very influential in

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Speaker 1: keeping JD on the air and really sort of pumping

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Speaker 1: him up in terms of the GOP base in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got an incumbent who apparently is still

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Speaker 1: popular among the Republican base. They like I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you the specifics of what he's done

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Speaker 1: that people like, but apparently people like more or less

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Speaker 1: what he's done as governor, at least on the Republican side,

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Speaker 1: And so they were able to make an independent judgment,

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Speaker 1: separate and apart from whatever it was that Trump wanted

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Speaker 1: them to do. And you know, in fact, as this

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Speaker 1: race has gone on, Kemp has opened up more of

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Speaker 1: a lead. So now it looks like it won't even

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Speaker 1: go to a runoff very likely. So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating, and I think the bottom line is that

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00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: the Trump effect is a little more complex than probably

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Speaker 1: the media would ultimately have you believe coming out of

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Speaker 1: the JD. Van story. Absolutely all right, So the other

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Speaker 1: Ohio primary that we were watching was Nina Turner's rematch

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Speaker 1: against Chantel Brown in a redrawn district. Ultimately, Nina not

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00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: only came up short, but by a significant margin. Let's

848
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Speaker 1: go ahead and put this tear sheet up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Chantel Brown wins eleventh district democratic rematch with former Ohio

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Speaker 1: Senator Nina Turner. The margin was about like sixty six

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Speaker 1: percent to thirty three percent, So again, this did not

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Speaker 1: end up being close in the end. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put this next piece up on this green which

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Speaker 1: helps explain a little bit of why it ended up

855
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: being so lopsided this time when last time Nina only

856
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: came up short by maybe five points. This is from

857
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: the intercept, and their headline says Progressives massively outgunned ditched

858
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: Nina Turner, effectively pointing to the fact that, you know,

859
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: Nina was really abandoned by almost every corner of the

860
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: progressive sort of elite institutional money and power base. I

861
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: didn't even realize justice Democrats did not play in this race.

862
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: They did not endorse Nina Turner, and their you know,

863
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: excuse was like, oh, we just didn't have enough money.

864
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: They said, Nina's a giant in the progressive movement. We're

865
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: proud to have gone all in for her campaign last year.

866
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: But the realities our organization has to be strategic about

867
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: our priorities. So we're getting massively outgunned by Republican donors

868
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: funneling millions to super PACs like APAC and DMFI against

869
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: our existing candidates. So they stayed out entirely. Of course,

870
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: you guys know the Congressional Progressive endorsed Chantel Brown, so

871
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: they endorsed against Nina. There was a report from Pocanne,

872
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: who's one of the co chairs of the caucus, that

873
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: not a single Progressive dissented from that vote. There was

874
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: a report after the fact that maybe that wasn't true,

875
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: and perhaps Corey Bush did dissent, but in any way,

876
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: it was overwhelming vote within the Congressional and Progressive Caucus

877
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: for Chantal Brown, the corporate backed candidate. The only one

878
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: of the squad that ended up endorsing Nina this time

879
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: was AOC who came in literally twelve hours before voting started.

880
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Bertie did come in and endorse her, of course, I mean,

881
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: Nina had been his campaign coacher, would be completely outrageous

882
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: if he didn't. Ultimately, but so you had this dynamic

883
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: where not only did these sort of progressive money and

884
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: elite elected infrastructure completely abandon her. But frankly, the progressive

885
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: base did as well. She didn't raise nearly as much

886
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: money as the first time around, And I think it's

887
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: because there's this just like deep anti electoral hilism that

888
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: has set in among a lot of the left, which

889
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: is the greatest gift you could possibly give to people

890
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: like Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn. Then on the other side,

891
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: the you know establishment forces, Oh, they were all in

892
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: for Chantel Brown. So you had, you know, pack money

893
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: by the millions flooding in. She Nina was out gone

894
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: like ten to one. In terms of the airwaves. You

895
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: had Jim Cliburn and Hakeem Jeffreys and all of these

896
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: establishment figures. Hillary Clinton endorsed, Joe Biden endorsed, and many

897
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: figures actually coming into the district to campaign for her.

898
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: And so you know, they wanted to make damn sure

899
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: that not only did Nina lose, but frankly that she

900
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: would get embarrassed in this race. And I think that's

901
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: ultimately you know, how things shook on. It's very instructive.

902
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if in the final weeks of

903
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: this campaign, the polls really moved towards Chantel Brown just

904
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: because of how much Nina was ultimately outspent on the

905
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: airwaves from this this massive flood of institutional support. And

906
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Jordan Charraton was there, you know, covering the for US

907
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: and for Status coup and he had an interview with

908
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: Nina after the fact that was rather noteworthy, Nina kind

909
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: of taking some of the gloves off about how she

910
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: felt about all of this. Let's take a listen to that.

911
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Who are the pinos And did the squad and the

912
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: broader progressive movement let you down? I don't want I

913
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: don't want to get into the squad. Okay, some of

914
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: those women are my friends. Some people were threatened, threatened,

915
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: were threatened like who And you know, I don't want

916
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: to get into the threats, but they were threatened. So

917
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, look, I want to lead them to the side.

918
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: I will say that the Congressional Progressive caufice was wrong.

919
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: They were wrong, And I was really glad to see

920
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Jaya Paul in the punch Bowl article kind of

921
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: allude to they need to change their the way that

922
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: they do this. That came from the pressure of the

923
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: movement itself. Let me ask you, would you consider running

924
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: as an independent rather than in the Democratic primary if

925
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: you were in I would consider that, absolutely, I would.

926
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: All options are on the table. So she alluded in

927
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: her concession speech to maybe she's looking at twenty twenty four.

928
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: So we'll see what ultimately comes of that. And listen,

929
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: same caveat you gave her, j Ad. I love Nina dearly.

930
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: She's a personal friend, longtime personal friend. So just put

931
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: that all out there. But you know she doesn't want

932
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: to speak to Illa the squad, But I'll just say,

933
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: I mean, these are people, some of whom are supposed

934
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: to be her personal friend, and I don't care if

935
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: they threaten you, honestly, you know, like they need to

936
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: understand these people are not their friends. They are not

937
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: their allies. They hate you, They will always hate you.

938
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: They will do everything they can to like stab you

939
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: in the back and screw you over. But there's something

940
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: that sets in when they get here in Washington, where

941
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: it's like every day they're in this town, they just

942
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: sort of get cozier and cozier and conform more and

943
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: more to the way things are done here. So it's

944
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: it's very sad to see ultimately that Nina, who you know,

945
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: wherever your politics are, whatever you think about Bernie and

946
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: whatever you think about Nina, this is someone who was

947
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: a loyal foot soldier for this movement, was one of

948
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: the most charismatic and inspiring figures who was out there

949
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: supporting Bernie before it was cool, who could have gone

950
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: the path of CosIng up to Hillary Clinton and probably

951
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: be in the administration right now or have a show

952
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: on MSNBC or whatever. And when she stepped out and said, hey, guys,

953
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and I need your support, they completely

954
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: abandon her letter down. Yeah, that's that's I think that

955
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: is an important part of the story. Yeah, it's pretty shocking,

956
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: like how badly she lost on this one, but I guess,

957
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you put it within that context, that

958
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: makes sense. Pretty pretty wild that they you know, especially

959
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: if you consider some of your personal friend and you

960
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: just leave them out to dry like that, that's pretty disgraceful.

961
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: I listen, I wasn't in their shoes. I don't know

962
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: what kind of pressure they were put under. I don't

963
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: know what kind of threats were made, but I would

964
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: like to think that if it was my personal friends,

965
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: and those were the choices that I would stand with

966
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: my person instead of these disgusting, bought out, manipulative gules

967
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: in this town. But that's just me, all right. Big

968
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: news from the Fed yesterday, let's go ahead and put

969
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: this tear sheet up on the screen. So they met

970
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: and they have, which this was expected, decided to further

971
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: lift interest rates by another half of a point. They

972
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: also announced that they're going to begin that balance sheet

973
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: reduction that is set to start on June first. The

974
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: way that they do this is they don't actually sell

975
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: off the assets these of course, where you know they

976
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: the reason that their balance sheet is so large is

977
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: because of the extraordinary efforts that they undertook during the

978
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: pandemic to essentially backstop the stock market and the bond market,

979
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: measures that went beyond anything they've ever done before, including

980
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: during the Greer recession. So now they have this massive

981
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: balance sheet and they've got to try to unwind it.

982
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: They don't do that by actually selling things off, at

983
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: least they're not doing that yet. Instead, they just allow

984
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: things to mature and sort of like naturally fall off

985
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: of the balance sheet. They're going to move forward with

986
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: that set in motion to plan to trim their portfolio

987
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: of treasuries and mortgage backed securities by as much as

988
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: ninety five billion dollars a month. Question mark as to

989
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: whether how much of an impact that will have in

990
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: terms of reducing demand and sort of tightening the economy,

991
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: and we'll see how that all plays out. But the

992
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: big news that he made that Jerome pal fed Chair

993
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: made was not even so much that announcement, because that

994
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: was broadly expected and sort of already priced into the

995
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: stock market. During his press conference, he actually said, we

996
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: are not considering going beyond these half percentage point raises.

997
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: So the exact quote was, so a seventy five basis

998
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: point increase is not something that committee is actively considering.

999
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: I think expectations are that will start to see inflation,

1000
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, flattening out. And he said, I would say

1001
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: we have a good chance to have a soft or

1002
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: soft ish landing on that news, basically saying everybody, relax,

1003
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: we're not going crazy. We think we're getting inflation under control.

1004
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: We think we can handle the soft landing. We're not

1005
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: going beyond the half percentage point increases. The stock market

1006
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: had a huge rally, stocks jump sharp Land Wednesday. It

1007
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: was the largest, the largest stock market increase of this year.

1008
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: I think the last time we had a bump like

1009
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: this was back in like November of last year. So

1010
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: this clearly eased a lot of minds ultimately, you know,

1011
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 1: the soccer. The other thing that the FED is really

1012
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: looking at here is whether or not they can cool

1013
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: off the housing market, because of course we've been covering

1014
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: how I mean, prices have been insane, The number of

1015
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: offers that buyers are getting has been insane. You better

1016
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: show up with like all cash in hand and over

1017
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: the listing price in order to have a prayer of

1018
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: getting into this housing market whatsoever. And so while the

1019
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: FED rate isn't you know, directly tied to mortgage rates,

1020
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: we've already seen mortgage interest rates climbed significantly at like

1021
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the fastest pace that's ever happened in history. And that

1022
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: seems there seems to be some early indicators that is

1023
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: starting to cool down the housing market. I was reading

1024
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: I think it was a Wall Street Journal article that

1025
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,959
Speaker 1: put it in this context. It was like, it's still

1026
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: very hot, but maybe now instead of getting twenty offers,

1027
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: you get ten, right, And so the number of you know,

1028
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: new mortgages and offers on homes and people who are

1029
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: touring homes as a metric all down significant year over year,

1030
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: all down month over month. So that's one of the

1031
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: things that they're really looking at because a lot of

1032
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: these other and this is something else we've talked about

1033
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: on this show of why the FED is not exactly

1034
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: ideally positioned to deal with a lot of the economic

1035
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: problems that we ultimately have. They just have this like

1036
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: one narrow toolkit, and it's very blunt toolkit. This is

1037
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: one area where they think they could actually be effective

1038
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: in helping to cool inflation because some of the other

1039
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: things are really out of their hands. I mean, the

1040
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: fedlifting interest rates does nothing to help the fact that

1041
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: Shanghai is locked down as one perfect example. Yeah, and

1042
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things I've been trying to

1043
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: point to my friend David Sachs, the venture capital let's

1044
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: put venture capitalists, put us up there on the screen.

1045
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: He had a great thread on Twitter yesterday declaring investor

1046
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: sentiment in Silicon Valley is the most negative since the

1047
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: dot com crash, and he's got a series of graphs

1048
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: that he points to there about the major corrections and

1049
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: the Internet index in the fintech industry. Here's what he says.

1050
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: So what happened. Ten trillion dollars of money was printed

1051
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: in response to COVID caused an asset bubble and a

1052
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: spike in inflation. In response, FED turned hawkish, which is

1053
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: causing great expectations to rise. This is hammering growth stocks.

1054
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: While there will be a bounce back there was over

1055
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: the last six months the market bounce back to the

1056
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: historical mean on valuations. That anomaly was COVID. So from

1057
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: here the market will go up or down based upon

1058
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: rate expectations. If inflation proves transitory, there is upside, But

1059
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: the reverse is also true. If inflation is more persistent,

1060
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: where's the downside? And so what he points to is

1061
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: that there is a risk to earnings from a slowdown

1062
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: in the economy, which is not yet broadly materialized outside

1063
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: of COVID stocks. So will B to B or business

1064
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: to business stocks be impacted, This will of course decrease,

1065
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: This will decrease the overall business environment. And then he

1066
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Speaker 1: points even more so to this, venture capitalists take their

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Speaker 1: cues in the public market private markets from public valuations.

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Speaker 1: More directly, the large crossover investors who provided most of

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Speaker 1: the late stage funding, operate in both public and private markets.

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Speaker 1: So when you have less capital from one and not

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Speaker 1: increase that you can borrow against in others, that decreases

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Speaker 1: the amount of money that you can then add into

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Speaker 1: the overall private market. So really, what it just points to,

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Speaker 1: and what he's saying is that for a variety of factors,

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Speaker 1: you know, inflation, overall slow down, and now just the

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Speaker 1: relationship between public and private investors, and also the amount

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Speaker 1: of quote unquote dumb money that's been operating in Silicon Valley,

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Speaker 1: it's going to change the way that tech stocks are

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Speaker 1: now valued and possibly could for the next decade. I

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Speaker 1: mean Bill Gurley, who's one of those guys who invested

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Speaker 1: I think in Uber and in yeah, let's just say Uber.

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Speaker 1: I know that one for sure, based upon the books

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Speaker 1: that I've read. He put out an entire thread of

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Speaker 1: the same thing, saying, listen, we've had a bull market

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00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: now for a decade. Well, so you people have no

1086
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: idea what it's like to operate in the bear And

1087
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: he's like, and I think that's where we're going to

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00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: be at. I thought this particular part was interesting, where

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00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Sack said, will there be a bounce back? There was

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00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: over the last six months. The market bounced back to

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: the historical mean on valuations. The anomaly was COVID, not now,

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00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: because you did have the FED injecting trillions of dollars

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: into these markets, and so you had acid bubble. You

1094
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: had bubbles basically across the board. And so now that

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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: things are getting back to what the historical mean is,

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: it feels like a gigantic collapse. But in reality, what

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00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: was out of the norm was what was going on

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00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: during COVID. One other sign that some of the sort

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Speaker 1: of irrational exuberance in the markets is being squeezed out

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Speaker 1: right now, go ahead and put this next piece about

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00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: NFT sales. NFT sales are flatlining. Is this the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the end of NFTs? This is from the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal, So what they say is the sale of

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00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: non fungible tokens or NFTs, aside from our lovely purchase

1105
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: of the CNN plus NFT hope that made our little

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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: contribution to the NFT marketplace, fell to a daily average

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Speaker 1: of about nineteen thousand this week. That's a ninety two

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Speaker 1: percent decline from a peak of about two hundred and

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00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand in September. The number of active wallets

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00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: in the NFT market fell eighty eight percent to about

1111
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand last week from a high of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and nineteen thousand just back in November. They say rising

1113
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: interest rates have crushed risky bets across the financial markets,

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00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: and NFTs are among the most speculatives. So the bleeding

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00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: edge of sort of the market pullback and some of

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: these reassessments and you know, reality of the FED drastically

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00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: changing their policy here hitting the NFT, you know, mostly

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00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: scam market pretty hard. Not a surprise. You know. I

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: feel bad for anybody who's got a majority of their

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: net worth that we're tied up in these things. But

1121
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: get out while you can, guys, that's all I gotta say.

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00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: I guess what the game looks like over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good luck to anybody who's involved. Okay, there's a pretty

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Speaker 1: remarkable story news story coming out regarding Starbucks union busting

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Speaker 1: from our friend Howard Schultz, the once in current CEO,

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Speaker 1: brought back into the company expressly apparently for the purpose

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Speaker 1: of trying to stamp out this nascent and rapidly growing

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Speaker 1: union movement. Let's go ahead and put this tear sheet

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Speaker 1: up on the screen, so Starbucks says, employees getting new benefits,

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Speaker 1: but not at stores that are unionizing. Yeah. A month

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Speaker 1: after his return to Starbucks' interim CEO, Howard Schultz has

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Speaker 1: announced new benefits, including expanded training, improved sickly credit card

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Speaker 1: TIPPIC for some two hundred and forty thousand Starbucks employees

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Speaker 1: at more than eighty eight hundred stores across the country,

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Speaker 1: but not for those who are unionizing. Here's his excuse,

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00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: we do not have the same freedom to make these

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Speaker 1: improvements at locations that have a union or where union

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00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: organizing is underway. He claims that, and this is true,

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00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: you have to once you have a union, you have

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Speaker 1: to negotiate with them. But he's pretending like, oh, we

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: can't even offer it. Of course you can, of course

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00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: you can. Maybe they'll accept it. Total gas lighting. Now,

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: if the union says, no, we don't want your improved

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00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: wages and benefits, then that's another matter. But do you think,

1145
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: really think they're going to say that. Ridiculous Workers United,

1146
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: which is the union behind the massive Starbucks union wave,

1147
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: called Schulz's assertion dead wrong, and they also filed unfair

1148
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: labor practice charges with the NLRB. One of their lawyers said,

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Speaker 1: under Section eight A five of the Fair Labor Standards Act,

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: employers simply cannot implement new benefits during contract negotiations unilaterally. Instead,

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00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: they must bargain with the union if they wish to

1152
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: implement new benefits programs. In the filing, they allege that

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00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: Schultz misrepresented that law by giving me a missimpression that

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: Starbucks could not even offer such benefits the workers or

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00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: the union representative. Schultz's comments had an immediate and profound

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00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: chilling effect on organizing campaigns nationwide, according to the lawyer

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00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: for the union and let's fit Stephen Greenhouse, longtime labor

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00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: reporter for the New York Times. He tweeted out, this

1159
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: smells like illegal discrimination against union members for having dared

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: to defy Howard Schultzen unionized. I predict the NLRB we'll

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Speaker 1: move quickly to find this a nationwide violation of federal

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Speaker 1: law and will order Starbucks to give unionized baristas the

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Speaker 1: same wage increases. So listen, you are not allowed under

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Speaker 1: federal law to penalize stores and workers who decide to unionize.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is blatant, illegally illegal activity, and Union

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Speaker 1: bus you have an NLRB under Biden that has already

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Speaker 1: issued decisions that were favorable to workers, both in Starbucks

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Speaker 1: and the Amazon instance. So we'll watch this one. I

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Speaker 1: would not be surprised to see the NLRB say what

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Speaker 1: you're doing is just blatantly illegal, and Schultz just lying

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Speaker 1: through his teeth about the reality of the law. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you can offer the union workers the same benefits as

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Speaker 1: everyone else. If they are rejected. They rejected, but come on,

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Speaker 1: you really think they're going to reject improve pay and benefits.

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Speaker 1: This is total and complete bullshit and really a new

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Speaker 1: low in terms of the links that they're willing to

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Speaker 1: go to to Stampa what has been a wildly successful movement. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's completely nuts. I mean when you read what he's

1179
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: at what he's saying, he's like, yeah, we'll just give

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Speaker 1: it to everybody else. It's actually very much in the

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Speaker 1: vein of what Amazon is doing. So I've been watching

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01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: a show on Hulu recently. The only downside is you

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: have to watch those stupid ads. I am bombarded Crystal

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Speaker 1: with Amazon ads constant. By the way, they're not targeting well, clearly.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm watching this thing. It's like, at Amazon,

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01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: we give you eighteen dollars an hour healthcare, twenty months

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Speaker 1: of maternity leave, And I was watching this and I

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is really interesting because you can

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Speaker 1: see that the public push on the propaganda from their

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Speaker 1: end is like, we'll take care of you, but you

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: better not join a union, will take care of you.

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Speaker 1: Better do exactly as we say. So this very much

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01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: is in a direct response to that. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess in one way, you can say, look, it's not

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Speaker 1: a terrible thing in order to for them to offer

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Speaker 1: higher wages and response to this historic union campaign, but

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Speaker 1: trying to do it in this split the difference way

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Speaker 1: tried to tried and true union busting gas Yes, O, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's blatant retaliation. And the irony is, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Amazon or Starbucks or any other anti union corporate boss,

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01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: they want to convince you like, oh, the union's not

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Speaker 1: going to help you at all. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: improve your wages and benefits. But then this is proof

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01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: positive that even just the fact that there's a threat

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01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: of the union, actually it's forcing them, forcing their hand

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01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: to provide better conditions, better benefits. So it already even

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: just the possibility that stores are going to unionize has

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01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: already improved conditions for workers across the board. So it

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: also really undercuts their argument that like, oh, the union

1210
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: doesn't help you at all, totally unrelated matter. We're gonna

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: lift pay guys, how do you think about How do

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: you feel about that? So anyway, really, you know, probably

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Speaker 1: illegal tactic, and we'll keep an eye on what the

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Speaker 1: NLRB is ultimately going to do with this one. The

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Speaker 1: other story we wanted to mention to you is Chris Mall's,

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Speaker 1: president of Amazon Labor Union, is headed to the White

1217
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Speaker 1: House today. Split this up on the screen. He is

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Speaker 1: going to meet with Kamala Harris and Secretary of Labor

1219
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: Marty Walsh. They're going to meet today Thursday in person

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Speaker 1: with labor organizers, including Chris Mall's and other attendees from Starbucks,

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Speaker 1: REI and more. So. This is something that Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: has been pushing for at least to have a White

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Speaker 1: House meeting. I think it's kind of lame that Biden

1224
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: won't be there personally. Yeah, well like whatever, yeah, yeah,

1225
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: most pro union president of history can't take a little

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: time out of his day to you know, go and

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Speaker 1: meet with the most inspiring new labor movement leaders in

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: the country. Anyway, that's happening. And then you also have

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Speaker 1: a Senate Budget Committee, of course, chaired by Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: holding a hearing on Amazon and Chris Malls will be testifying.

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Speaker 1: I did get a little bit of an exclusive for

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Speaker 1: a Cyberg two items tell us. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: Chris previewed for me a little bit of what his

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: testimony to the Senate Budget Committee will be. And one

1235
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: of the things he's going to be pushing for is

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: just funding the NLRB, and this is something that the

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01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: new General Council for the National Labor Relations Board has

1238
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: been talking about. Union elections are up fifty seven percent.

1239
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: I think that's the right number year over year. So

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01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: there's been a massive increase in the number of workplaces

1241
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: that are filing for union elections, and yet they're funding

1242
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: every year continues to go down. And I think it's

1243
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: important to juxtapose this with the fact that you know,

1244
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: they like billions out the door casually all day every

1245
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: week for new you know, mil terry weapons. But when

1246
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, they're not asking for anything

1247
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: special here, just literally the amount of money and staff

1248
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: and resources to do the basics of their job. And

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: that seems to be too much to ask. So I

1250
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: know that's one thing he's going to be talking about

1251
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: to the Senate Budget Committee today, so we'll look forward

1252
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: to that. And then the other little exclusive I got

1253
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Speaker 1: for us is what the drip is going to be,

1254
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: what the fit is for today at the White House?

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: He said, He told them I'm coming as is. I'm

1256
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: not putting on a suit for you at the White

1257
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: House or a well it's not the President, so I

1258
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: don't care, or the Senate Budget Committee. I know, I

1259
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: knew you'd have an issue with this. I personally love it.

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01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: I love that he just embraces like this is who

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: I am and if you don't want me, there, no problem.

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01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to come. So he's gonna he told

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01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: me he was going to wear all black, and he

1264
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: has a jacket that says history on the back, and

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01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: he's got some black and white nikes that he's planning

1266
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: to wear. Of course the ALU T shirt underneath. So

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01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: that's that's a little breaking points exclusive for you there.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, he's meeting with Kamala, So you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't care. Anybody could wear a tea. I'd wear

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Speaker 1: a T shirt. That's a joke. But I don't find

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01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: it as disrespectful whenever it's the vice president and not

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: the president. Listen, I personally love the energy of like, listen,

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Speaker 1: this is how he's fair. That at least he said.

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Speaker 1: He said, if you don't want me to come, like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm that's fine. That's why I respect that. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I think that that's okay. Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we have a hilarious one. I went

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Speaker 1: deep on this for the benefit of everyone. So we

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, remember the horse medicine horse d

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Speaker 1: warmer phase of the ivermectin discussion. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: lifetime ago, but I think it was literally like three

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Speaker 1: months ago anyway, So obviously that was attacked by the media.

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Speaker 1: Ivermectin was censored from the Internet. Obviously the efficacy of

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Speaker 1: that remains up in the air. You can go into

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Speaker 1: research seemed to indicate it doesn't do anything. Look, I

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Speaker 1: saw some pushback on it. By the way, I don't

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Speaker 1: care anymore. Okay, just you know, take do whatever you

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Speaker 1: want At this point, COVID is mostly a cold, so

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Speaker 1: you can deal with it now from this point forward,

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01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: though it has set a stack of course by both

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Speaker 1: Twitter and in general by the media. We should be

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Speaker 1: critically covering drugs that people are taking experimentally, and we

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01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: should be labeling them horse medicine if in fact you

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Speaker 1: are experimenting with those drugs. Now, in the wake of

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Speaker 1: the Row Versus Wade case, we have a hilarious demonstration

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Speaker 1: which was both allowed on Twitter and has yet to

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Speaker 1: receive any of the fact check freak out coverage that

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Speaker 1: we saw with the ibromectin debate. Let's put us up

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Speaker 1: there on the screen. Okay, So Motherboard, a distributor a

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Speaker 1: part of Vice News, put out this piece post Row

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01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: versus Wade mizer prostol, which is relatively easy to acquire

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Speaker 1: from veterinary sources since, in addition to medically inducing abortions,

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Speaker 1: is also used to treat ulcers in horses and crystal

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Speaker 1: wesce is sharing there a anarchist collective advisory that you

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Speaker 1: can make your own do it yourself abortion pill by

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Speaker 1: specific acquiring horse medicine, and as we said, they specifically

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Speaker 1: referred to ivermectin at that time, by when during the

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Speaker 1: Rogan scandal saying Rogan has recovered from COVID nineteen and

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: used his first showback to spread misinformation about the horse

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Speaker 1: deworming drug that he took. Now motherboard, whenever it was

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Speaker 1: confronted with this side by side comparison, they had this

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Speaker 1: to say, quote, you may be reminded of ivermectin, which

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Speaker 1: is used to control parasites and horses. It became a

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Speaker 1: favored but ineffective COVID treatment among conspiracy theorists. The main

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Speaker 1: difference here in our reporting is that miser prostyl does

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Speaker 1: something other than giving you the shits. But that is there.

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of fair, right, Like the thing that

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Speaker 1: they're talking about it for is actually proven to have

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Speaker 1: the impact that they're saying it has. Well, I guess,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think in general at the time,

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Speaker 1: what was being put out by the way ivermectin, as

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Speaker 1: I understand it doesn't have any of the negative side

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Speaker 1: of acts has been put out and used by billions

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Speaker 1: of people, I believe, specifically in the developing world, but

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Speaker 1: not the horse version, which is way a much larger

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Speaker 1: quantity and more I know all right. I did have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a different take on this though,

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Speaker 1: because I mean, sorry, well, I was just gonna say

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Speaker 1: I read the article that this was about, and I

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: think the point of the article was more like these

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01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: are the It wasn't like go out and make your

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Speaker 1: d I y anti abortion pills or abortion pills guys.

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Speaker 1: It was like kind of a warning of these are

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Speaker 1: the type of length and measures that women under a

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Speaker 1: in a post row world are likely to go to.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, judging by history, that's probably just the case.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like it's sort of like the modern

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Speaker 1: version of the you know, the back alley abortion and

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Speaker 1: the coat hanger. So I did I saw it in

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Speaker 1: a different light than you. I definitely agree with you

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Speaker 1: that that's what the article is about. But the headline

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: specifically is sharing instructions to make di Way abortion pill.

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01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: So it says anarchists collective shares instructions to make the

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Speaker 1: ia abortion And in the article they don't go out

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Speaker 1: of their way to be like I think they do

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: have some language in there about like, guys, not a

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: great idea to like dyre like hey, guys, like don't

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Speaker 1: take horse meds and try and do IY correct any

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Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, but it seemed to me like the

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Speaker 1: point was like a warning about these are the sort

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Speaker 1: of dystopian measures that we're going. That's a fair point,

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Speaker 1: which a decent amount of people actually do make for

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01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: people who are reluctantly pro choice. Anyway, more, what I

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: thought is that the treatment that this is getting seems

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01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous, because actually it trended all across of Twitter.

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01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: It didn't receive any of the negative coverage, and even

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Speaker 1: people who are sympathetic and are very much within the

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Speaker 1: point that you're making, Crystal, were not as quick in

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Speaker 1: order to jump on it. So it's like, look, is

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Speaker 1: horsemed's good or bad? How about this? It's always bad

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,879
Speaker 1: and we should just tell people, hey, consult with a physician.

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Speaker 1: A doctor. You shouldn't be trying to diy your own

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Speaker 1: abortion pills. Specific I can't think of a more horrific

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 1: thing in order to try and screw around with. So, look,

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Speaker 1: your point well taken within the article itself, But I

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Speaker 1: do think that the treatment of the two stories does

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Speaker 1: tell us quite a bit about like which horse drugs

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Speaker 1: are apparently allowed and good for discussion on the internet,

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Speaker 1: and then which not even a horse drug really but

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Speaker 1: you know, castigated as a horse drug at the time,

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Speaker 1: which are complete but again off limits. Again, there is

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Speaker 1: a key difference here in that this particular horse drug

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Speaker 1: seems to have more medical evidence behind it in terms

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Speaker 1: of having the effect that they're talking about. There's time

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01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: there were some studies which showed clinical use of ibromac,

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Speaker 1: not like a ton I was again there was censorship

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Speaker 1: of you know, I know you've discussion about it. There

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01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: was Japan. You know, there were some Indian cases and

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: well the people could point to and say, hey, maybe

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Speaker 1: this thing works. And you know, this is a different time.

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Speaker 1: It was like September of twenty twenty one. I just

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01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: went in check. So I think there was a decent

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Speaker 1: enough case pretty much for the exact same thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's all kinds of side effects from whatever. That look,

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Speaker 1: anything that medically induces an abortion does not seem to

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Speaker 1: be one of those things you should be screwing around with. Regardless,

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Speaker 1: I probably would say I've remacted this once again, I

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: am not a doctor. Seems probably safer in order to use. However,

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Speaker 1: as you said, the horse DA worming version probably much stronger.

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Speaker 1: I did check though, my dog's heartworm medicine is I remectin,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was hilarious. I was giving my dog

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Speaker 1: a heart I was like, I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I take some of this. Stash some just in case

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01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: I should stash some for myself. I actually don't care

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: if I get COVID. We should say for the YouTube whatever,

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,480
Speaker 1: take medical advice, don't take more medical advice. Don't diyatt

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Speaker 1: with horse meds, even the ones that diy the meds period. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how about that one. Yes, let's put all the disclaimers

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Speaker 1: out there. Okay. With all that being that, Zager, what

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Speaker 1: are you looking at? Well? When I look back at

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Speaker 1: my ideological evolution over the last couple of years, one

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: of the most important monologues I ever wrote was after

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Speaker 1: the death of RBG. It was about fifty days before

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Speaker 1: the twenty two election. Honestly, it feels like a lifetime ago,

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: but at the time I remember sitting down watching all

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: my GOP friends around me, really excited beyond the belief

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Speaker 1: at her death, and frankly the implications for Roe versus Way,

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01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: and thinking, man, there's got to be better way than this.

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Speaker 1: So I thought we would go through and look at

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Speaker 1: the different parts, which I still think are very relevant.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I wrote that day, quote, we're all getting

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: played by the elites of this country who have designed

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01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: the system exactly this way in order to even remove

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: the illusion of choice from our lives. Let me explain

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: right now, if your pro life or your pro choice,

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01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: your pro gun or your anti gun, or pro or

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 1: con whatever your divisive social issue is, you basically have

1418
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 1: a gun to your head. If you're culturally conservative and

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: you want a chance at preserving it through the courts,

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01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: you should probably vote for Trump. And if you're culturally

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01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: progressive and you'd want your agenda codified and expanded into law,

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: you should probably vote for Joe Biden. And I want

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Speaker 1: to be clear, that is the reality of situations, and

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Speaker 1: many millions of people will act accordingly on November third.

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Speaker 1: But why the hell is it that way? Here's what

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Speaker 1: I continued. I said, quote, Well, because starting in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, Congress decided to explicitly make a choice. Debating abortion,

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Speaker 1: gay marriage, guns, and all these other issues is very hard.

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: Congress hating doing hard things because then they might have

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Speaker 1: to answer for them at the voters at the ballot box.

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01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: Both parties embrace the same strategy, kick everything to the courts.

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Speaker 1: Everything to the courts, including abortion and guns, and then Obamacare,

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01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: Citizens United, Keystone Pipeline antitrust law. So now we live

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01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: under one of the great cons perpetuated upon the American people.

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01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: We are now held hostage to our respective cultural values

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01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: and forced to vote for people based upon a vote

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: that they will then make a few times in a

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Speaker 1: six year term in the US Senate. And every single

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Speaker 1: one of those senators knows something else too. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, even if you're mad at them,

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01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: you're probably still going to vote for them if you

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01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: agree with them on social issues. Why because they will

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: cast a vote for the Supreme Court justice who will

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: then rule the way that you want on public policy.

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01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: So they can screw us all day long. Economically, they

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01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: can deny US stimulus payments, they can let the country rot,

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01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: and they can vote to keep more troops in Afghanistan.

1448
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: But come voting time, they can come back to the

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: district and claim I have delivered on the promise to

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: vote the right way on the Court. What I wrote

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01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: that day remains even more true today. A victory of

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: the GOP that can take back to its evangelical base

1453
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: is taking just a few votes to confirm somebody in

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01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: the Senate. Now, I guarantee you that if and when

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: Trump runs for reelection, many evangelical and Catholic leaders will

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01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: crawl over glass in order to vote for him, as

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01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 1: he's the guy who actually delivered. And again, when I

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01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: say delivered, it was three days of as nearly one

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Speaker 1: thousand days as president that he nominated somebody to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. That's enough for them. And look, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to judge. It's not my belief system. But don't

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: we want something better for our political system? Here's how

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: I think I ended that monologue quote. I am just

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: so sick of having to fall into this trap every

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: single time. The trick that helps corporatis in Congress the

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Speaker 1: most is making every single election existential. Why because when

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01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: things are existential, then everything else goes out the window.

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: How Wall Street conducts business, how large Amazon is, the

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: growing wealth gap in America, the size of student loan debt,

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 1: the inability for American families to provide for their families,

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: get married, or have children. They all go on the

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: back burner in so called existential times that again seems

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: very oppressient. As David Sirota wrote in reaction to the

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: Roe versus Wade news, every oligarch in America is so

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01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: effing site this morning. The country will be arguing about

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: abortion for the next decade while they get to continue

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01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: ripping everyone off. In fact, I can already confirm the

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01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: US Senate is already poised to ditch their entire agenda

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: over the next couple of months and to hold votes

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Speaker 1: on Roe versus Wade that we literally already know the

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: outcome of. They don't have the votes, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's a spoiler alert. But in the meantime, a landmark

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Speaker 1: piece of legislation that would boost semiconductor manufacturing here at

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: home help US compete for an independent future is being

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Speaker 1: put on the back burner. Millions of jobs and possibly

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Speaker 1: the future of the US is at stake technologically, but hey,

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Speaker 1: who cares except for a weird nerd like me? Or

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a war in Ukraine. The US is

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Speaker 1: currently pursuing a de facto policy of regime change against Russia.

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01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: Seems important, but that, oh, you probably aren't going to

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Speaker 1: hear about that, which is exactly the gray area that

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01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: the people in this town love to operate in They

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01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: do better when nobody is looking. In fact, in retrospect,

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 1: some of the most disastrous policy pursuits in the Syrian

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01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: Civil War by the United States happened exactly at the

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Speaker 1: time of the hottest fights in Washington over immigration. Same

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Speaker 1: with Afghanistan and Iraq policy right before the rise of Isis.

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Speaker 1: My point on these is that immensely consequential actions are

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Speaker 1: either not pursued or are done in your name while

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: many of us are fighting the culture war. Not to

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: be clear, most people are okay with that, and probably

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: will be for the majority of my lifetime. But that

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: also doesn't mean you have to be that way. Ultimately,

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: that really is up to us and what we choose

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: to get jazzed. If I'm being honest, the stuff that

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: gets me the right most incensed about politics is almost

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01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: always a viral culture war video. And if you're on

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: the left and you're honest with yourself, it is probably

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: the same thing on your end, except it probably comes

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: from like the mainstream media. It's okay, Jess admitted a

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,799
Speaker 1: key insight I found out about myself through both fitness

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,480
Speaker 1: and even doing this job a long time is controlling

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 1: your impulses and moving past them, checking your thought process

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01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: and saying does this really impact the way I live

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01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: my life? What utility does my emotion have right now?

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01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: Can it be productively used towards a different end? And

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 1: then sucking up and do something else. This will probably

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: never happen at total scale, but you really don't need

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: that to be effective. That's really my message coming out

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: of this entire thing to you and everybody else. American

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01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 1: politics is a game of coalitions. Just look at the

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01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: pro life folks. They're only one third of the entire country.

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Speaker 1: So now the answer really is you simply need to

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Speaker 1: form your own coalition and demand a new standard over

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Speaker 1: many decades. That's what I ended that monologue sometime ago with,

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Speaker 1: and I'll repeat it vote. The only way in order

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Speaker 1: to change things is to treat issues like our economic

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Speaker 1: future as existential as the social values that govern our lives.

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Speaker 1: This is a tall order, I realized. To the religious right,

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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: it sounds like moral equivalents on something where it simply

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. To the progressive left, it sounds like you're

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01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice any individual's chance at a future in

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: favor of making life better for some others. But I

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: would posit once again that at a time like this,

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01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: we've had more to lose, and that as citizens we

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01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: deserve a chance to vote for someone or something other

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01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: than a single vote that they'll take on the bench,

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01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: but instead to take votes on issues that we can

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01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: literally determine how we live every second of our lives.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting going back on that monologue, Crystal, I

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Speaker 1: really remember actually, and if you want to hear my

1542
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: reaction to Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: breakingpoints dot com. Crystal, what do you taking a look at? Well? Guys.

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, activists finally scored a big win,

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: forcing lawmakers to lift the minimum wage to seven dollars

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: and twenty five, where it has remained ever since. Then.

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01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,759
Speaker 1: The Democrats were in control of the House and the Senate,

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01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: and they could have passed a bill that tied the

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01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: minimum wage to inflation or cost of living increases, setting

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: in motion an automatic provision that would allow the wage

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01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: to at least keep pace with rising cost of living,

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01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 1: But they didn't. Why well, because they wanted to preserve

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01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: the power of the minimum wage as a political cudgel.

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: In effect, they wanted to preserve the ability to have

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Speaker 1: this moment. So one of the fights that I've been

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01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: waging for a number of views now is to raise

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01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: that minimum wage to at least fifteen bucks an hour.

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Speaker 1: Is that something, Joe, that you want supportabook Bernie. I

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01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: am extremely supportive of that, and I thank you for

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: leading on it, and I thank you for your endorsement

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: or support. But it means you look just step me

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: in the heart every time Biden there of course, promises

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: Bernie and by extension, his voters, that he will lift

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour, a core

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: goal for Bernie's movement. The fact that the minimum wage

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: had been allowed by design to languish at a pathetic

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01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: seven dollars and twenty five cents. It actually served Democrats'

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,839
Speaker 1: interests in regaining power, and the Biden era Democrats included

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01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: a revolutionary child tax credit in their initial COVID relief package.

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01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: A stunningly successful policy, it lifted millions of children out

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01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: of poverty, it cut childhood hunger dramatically. But family put

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01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: the policy in place for one year. Why because they

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01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: believed that it could be a similarly effective political cudgel

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01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: that they thought either Republicans would be pushed into actually

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01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: backing the extension of the child tax Credit because of

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: its political popularity, or they could use Republicans opposition to

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01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 1: the CTC as again a politically beneficial cudgel in the

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01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: midterm elections. Now their calculus turned out to be wrong.

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01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: The CTC expired with bare leo whimper from Democrats or

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: from the national press, even as the families who had

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01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: briefly benefited from it moved in droves from the Democratic

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: Party to the GOP. And so it is with Democrats

1583
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: and Roe versus Wade. The whole situation. It seems kind

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 1: of perplexing, right, The Christian right has literally spent decades

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: mobilizing to overturn Row at the Supreme Court, and entire

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01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: well funded legal architecture has been constructed and justices vetted

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01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: with precisely this goal in mind. Disciplined one issue, voters

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01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: backed candidate after candidate willing to promise them this end result. Ultimately,

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01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: it was kind of an unlikely figure. Donald Trump, the

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: dude who used to donate to Planned Parenthood and who

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01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: no one would be shocked to learn I from misister

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01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: twould availed themselves of their services. It was that guy

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: who would deliver this long awaited victory. He clinched his

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01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: election by releasing a list of Scotisz nominees to prove

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: to the evangelical base that he would in fact be

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01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: a reliable partner in their nearly fifty year project. He

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01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: famously said Roe would be overturned automatically if he was

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01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: elected president. The justices he sent up for confirmation to

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01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: the Court were handpigged for exactly this aim wow and

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01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: to make sure that they serve the interests of our

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01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: nation's holigarchs. As Zager was discussing, so no one should

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01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: be surprised that this court did exactly the thing that

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01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: it had been constructed to do. You could no more

1604
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: be angry at a snake for biting you. This decision

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01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: was their entire raison detra So, with decades of knowledge

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01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 1: that this was the ultimate goal of a highly organized,

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01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: extremely determined movement, why in the world did the Democrats,

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01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: over many cycles of holding power, refused to take the

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: extremely obvious and popular step of protecting Roe by enshrining

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01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: it in federal law. The answer is obvious, because they

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01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: cared more about using voters to scare them into line

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01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: than they did about actually delivering on the issues that

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01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: they claim to care about. I mean, think about this,

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01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: As David Serota points out, Obama promised that the first

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Speaker 1: thing I'll do as president is signed the Freedom of

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Speaker 1: Choice Act, and then the first thing he actually did

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01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: was bailan as Wall Street donors. I might remind you

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Speaker 1: that Obama had a huge majority in the House and

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01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: a super majority in the Senate. What excuse could he

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Speaker 1: possibly have for just instantly forgetting one of the things

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01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: that he promised was a day one action. Even today,

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01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: as Democrats bemoan the m in imminent demise of Row,

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: the entire establishment of Battalion from Pelosion down, they've all

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01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: lined up behind anti abortion lawmaker Henry Quaar, this in

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01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: spite of him, by the way, currently being under FBI investigation. Now,

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01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: for me, personally, I would rather the Democratic litmus test

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01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: be around committed support for labor unions than for abortion

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01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: policy is one example. But of course they don't actually

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: care about any of these issues. They only care about

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01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: supporting candidates who will uncritically support the current power regime,

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: and they care about whatever cynical manipulations of issues critical

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01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: to wide swaps of the nation might help them hold

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01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: or regain power. In fact, the Supreme Court is at

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01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 1: the center of these cynical games. How many times have

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01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: we been told that we must support the current democratic

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01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: regime exactly is constituted, because if we don't, we'll basically

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01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: end up in the Handmaid's Tale with the end of row.

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: Republicans play the same games, by the way. That's why,

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01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: in the precipice of a victory that their base has

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01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: worked for and their donors have funded for decades, Republicans

1641
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 1: are bizarrely despairing. They're bemoaning a leak rather than celebrating

1642
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: what should be unequivocal good news for their ideological project,

1643
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: the culmination of a multi decade project. In this the

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01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: GP is kind of like the dog that caught the car.

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01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: They also liked having the status quo the potential end

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: of row as a motivating issue for their base and

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01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: organizing principle. Now that they are losing their own little

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01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 1: voter cudgel and face with the prospect of being clearly

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01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: on the side of a new reality that is not

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: supported by the broader public, they're kind of horrified for Democrats,

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 1: on the other hand, who were headed for certain electoral disaster,

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01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: who are starting to contemplate just reaching once again for

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01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: the multi failed messaging of Trump is bad for a

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: midterm in which, of course, Trump is not on the

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: ballot and currently holds no official power. This decision, which

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01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: is monstrous to their base, is like manna from heaven

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01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: for Democratic elites. They don't have to do anything to

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: deliver material, and they don't have to come up with

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01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: the messaging strategy. All they have to do is remind

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01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: everyone how much they hate the Republicans and promise once

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01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: again that this time will be different. This time, if

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01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: you elect them, they'll actually do the things that they

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: have been promising for literally decades to do. That's why

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01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Biden and co. Have been quick to offer a solution

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01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: to the new Road predictment just to elect more Democrats.

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01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Maloney, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign ARM,

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01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: he really took the cake with this blame shifting assessment.

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: Here's this quote. Democrats, we're angry and hurt, I know,

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01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 1: but it's not about the filibuster size of the court

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01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: or what the Senate hasn't passed. It's about Republicans, not us.

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01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: We can save our freedoms. But it's November stupid. I mean,

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01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: that is so pique that I almost cannot believe it

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01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: is not parody. It's possible that this road decision upends

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01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: the midterms, compelling Democrats to vote even more Democrats and

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01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: the feudal hope that for some reason this time will

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01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 1: be different. But I don't actually think it's going to

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01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: work too well, because you can only use these cudgels

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: of promises for so long before people ultimately see through

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01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: your game, before they realize that you don't actually care

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01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: about these issues you claim are existential in apocalyptic language.

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: And that's not on the voters, by the way, it's

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01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: on you, the Democratic elites. This time, I suspect their

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01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: strategy will fail, because if you look at the way

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01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: that Democrats have already even wiped out in vast wats

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01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: of the country, the truth is this strategy of broken

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01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,799
Speaker 1: promises and cynical manipulations and constant excuse making and blaming

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01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 1: the voters, that strategy has been failing for a very

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01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: long time. It really is a kind of an I

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Speaker 1: see a lot and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue. Become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Join us now to talk All Things Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Is managing editor of Larry Sabatoe's Crystal Ball at the

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Speaker 1: UVA Center of Politics, The One and Only Kyle Condict.

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Speaker 1: Great to see Kyle. Good to see you man. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Also want to mention to people, you're

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Speaker 1: political junkies out there. Kyle, just give us your sorry,

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Speaker 1: your top line thought of specifically the Republican Senate primary

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Speaker 1: in Ohio. Did things shake out basically the way that

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Speaker 1: you expected? Yeah, I thought the polls actually were pretty good.

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Speaker 1: They sort of showed that that, you know, the advance

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Speaker 1: was gaining a little bit before the Trump endorsement, or

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Speaker 1: at least was competitive, and then kind of took off

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Speaker 1: after the Trump endorsement. So I think it's reasonable to

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Speaker 1: give you know, the former president credit for vance. But

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Speaker 1: then also I think Vance himself and his allies, most

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Speaker 1: notably Peter Teel, sort of you know, kept him, kept

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Speaker 1: him alive in this race long enough to get Trump's endorsement.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's there hard to quantify, you know,

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Speaker 1: what exactly is the Trump endorsement worth in terms of

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Speaker 1: you know what, you know, what share of the vote

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Speaker 1: Vance got there is because you could argue that, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Trump had total command of the party,

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Speaker 1: the Advance would have gotten you know, sixty percent or

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Speaker 1: something or seventy percent, but he got he got a

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Speaker 1: little over thirty. But the bottom here is I think

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Speaker 1: that that you know, Republican candidates, you know, believe that

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Speaker 1: Trump's endorsement is powerful. And certainly the Vance example is

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Speaker 1: one other instance of Trump being on the winning side.

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Speaker 1: Trump isn't always on the winning side of Republican primaries,

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Speaker 1: but he often is. And you know, the belief that

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Speaker 1: he has power in the party actually gives him a

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Speaker 1: lot of power in the party too. That's interesting, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: We were trying to parse this in the show today,

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Speaker 1: which is that you know, Ohio, a trumpier state, makes

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Speaker 1: Trump's endorsement matter a lot. But then in Georgia, for example,

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp is now up by sixty points currently in

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Speaker 1: this poll against Purdue. How do you think about the

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Speaker 1: Trump effect in those two cases, Like, what does that

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Speaker 1: tell us about politics? Well, look, I think in the

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Speaker 1: in the Ohio Senate primary, you had a lot of

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Speaker 1: different candidates, and I think it's probably hard for voters

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Speaker 1: to kind of figure out who they actually wanted to

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Speaker 1: support in that race, and they were all broadly, you know,

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Speaker 1: conservative Republicans. There was one candidate, State Senator Matt Dolan,

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Speaker 1: who wasn't necessarily anti Trump, but wasn't kind of genuflecting

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Speaker 1: for Trump the way that the other candidates were, So

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Speaker 1: he was maybe the you know, the Trump of the candidates.

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Speaker 1: And I think in a situation like that, if you

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Speaker 1: all hear the candidates saying like fairly similar things and

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Speaker 1: they're all politically pretty similar, again, it can just be

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Speaker 1: hard for voters to distinguish among them. And the Trump

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Speaker 1: endorsement is maybe helpful in that sort of regard as

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Speaker 1: to giving voters a little bit more guidance I guess,

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Speaker 1: as to who they maybe should vote for. Whereas in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it's effectively a two person race. There's

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Speaker 1: another candidate in the race, but it's basically Brian Camper's

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Speaker 1: David Purdue. Kemp is an incumbent, and other than Trump

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Speaker 1: being you know, mad about Camp in the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 1: Kemp is a down the line conservative and someone who

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Speaker 1: was really supported and helped a lot by Trump in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. And so I think it's just a different dynamic,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's I think there's also a possibility that

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, Trump probably brought more people into the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party in like the Midwest, because you've converted a

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Speaker 1: lot of white working class folks, whereas in the South

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Speaker 1: a lot of those white working class folks were Republicans anyway.

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Speaker 1: So maybe there's just like some extra juice for Trump

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Speaker 1: on sort of a regional level, because Georgia's a state

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Speaker 1: that moved away from Republicans during the Trump years. Ohio's

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Speaker 1: a state that moved toward the Republicans and the Trump years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that all makes a lot of sense. I

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Speaker 1: also thought your point was interesting that, like, well, if

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Speaker 1: the Republican base was just a bunch of Trump Coultists,

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Speaker 1: then JAD would have won by even more. I mean,

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Speaker 1: clearly it mattered a lot, right, because people are looking

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Speaker 1: for more information about we don't really know that much

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Speaker 1: about these different candidates, so who should we support. So

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Speaker 1: it mattered a lot, but ultimately it wasn't like, you,

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Speaker 1: you know, ran away with the thing by thirty points.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I'm interested in, Kyle, is there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of commentary about how this election was to

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Speaker 1: fill the seat of retiring senator or Portman, and in

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Speaker 1: sort of affect, Jade Vance has been very different from

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Speaker 1: how Portman comported himself. I mean Vance uses sort of

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Speaker 1: like apocalyptic rhetoric about the Democratic Party and the far

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Speaker 1: left and the end of America and all this sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff, whereas Portman pride to them on being someone

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Speaker 1: who could work across the aisle and bipartisanship and all

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things. But it strikes me that on

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Speaker 1: a policy ideological perspective, they're may be not that much different.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Portman is certainly like a consistently conservative character.

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Speaker 1: So it seemed to me like a lot of what

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Speaker 1: the media was latching onto and how they put these

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Speaker 1: people on a spectrum is more about their level of

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Speaker 1: bomb bast and their level of fealty to Trump. Than

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Speaker 1: it is about exactly where they fall on an ideological spectrum.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you could make the argument, I'm skeptical that JD.

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Speaker 1: Vans will ultimately buck you know, that sort of like

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Speaker 1: hard conservative economic line once he's in the Senate, because

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Speaker 1: he didn't really run on those issues. But clearly the

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Speaker 1: Club for Growth is concerned that he won't be as

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Speaker 1: conservative as Rob Portman consistently was for them in terms

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Speaker 1: of economics. I think there's a real prioritization of sort

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Speaker 1: of style over substance in these primaries right now, and

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Speaker 1: also in sort of the way we sort of talk

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Speaker 1: about the differences amongst these republic Cancer and I think

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Speaker 1: you're right that there may not be that big of

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Speaker 1: a difference between how Portman would act and said the

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Speaker 1: Senate Advance would act, although vents at least, as you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things he sort of caught some flag for,

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Speaker 1: among many other things during the campaign was sort of

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Speaker 1: poop pooing the idea of US helping the Ukrainians, you know,

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Speaker 1: fight off the Russian invasion. And so it may be

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Speaker 1: that Vance and some other Republicans kind of newer Republicans

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, if in fact Vance makes it to

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Speaker 1: the Senate, will be maybe more dubbish on foreign policy matters.

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Speaker 1: But I just don't know if that's that's actually what

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Speaker 1: would end up happening, and a lot of what we're

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Trump is a good example of

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Speaker 1: this himself, because Trump, I think was helped as helped

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Speaker 1: by sort of running as maybe kind of less like

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Speaker 1: a supply side conservative in twenty sixteen. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was not like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan from twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve in the way that he talked about some of

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Speaker 1: these things. And I think that was probably helpful in

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Speaker 1: attracting some of the voters he attracted. But then when

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Speaker 1: he wants he actually got in an office. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was some stuff with with trade and tariffsaid he did,

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Speaker 1: but certainly the tax cut package that he signed at

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Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen was something that any Republican

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Speaker 1: president would have signed. So I just I just you know,

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Speaker 1: Vance is I think a really interesting person, whatever you

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Speaker 1: think of him. You know, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: kind of big magazine features done about him in which

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Speaker 1: he's he seems to be kind of shooting the breeze

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Speaker 1: on a lot of stuff and saying some things that

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Speaker 1: you know, are I think you could argue you're definitely

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Speaker 1: going overboard, you know, talking basically basically telling saying if

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Speaker 1: Trump got back in the office, should actually fire the

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Speaker 1: oll federal bureaucracy. And the court said he could do it.

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Speaker 1: Just defy them, defy them on it. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of that is just him shooting the

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Speaker 1: breeze when talking to a reporter, or if that's something

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Speaker 1: he actually proposes, because if you take him at his word,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a pretty strident thing to to be

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Speaker 1: h to be talking about. So I just you know, again,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's there's just sort of this style

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Speaker 1: thing going on in this sort of like radio kind

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Speaker 1: of kind of a you know, I mean, Trump is

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Speaker 1: a great example of it, but the sort of like

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Speaker 1: talk radio tone as opposed to like a sort of

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Speaker 1: more muted tone. But it may be more than that.

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Speaker 1: It's also sort of what you're pointing to you there

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Speaker 1: is like procedural extremism, right So even though ideologically, I mean,

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Speaker 1: on certain issues like with Ukraine, you might say he's

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Speaker 1: actually to the left of Portman, you know, based on

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Speaker 1: what his comments have been, but in terms of how

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Speaker 1: he's oriented himself to the institutions of the federal government.

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Speaker 1: He's put himself in a you know, in a fringe

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Speaker 1: extremist category. So I think that's perhaps what people are

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Speaker 1: responding to that, and you know, the sort of like

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Speaker 1: over the top fealty towards Trump that seems to be

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Speaker 1: more what people are responding to than what he actually

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Speaker 1: thinks about X, Y or Z. Policy issues. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great point. And you could

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Speaker 1: argue that some of the things that the Republicans have

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Speaker 1: done over the past several years that have really upset

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Speaker 1: the left, like not holding a vote on Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: or those sorts of things, that's not really like a

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Speaker 1: left versus right issue. It's just like a it's just

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Speaker 1: a question of sort of as you say, procedure or

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Speaker 1: even sort of norms and and uh and and and

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Speaker 1: and decorum. But at the end of the day, like

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Speaker 1: if there's a Republican president and Republican Senate House majority

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans want to like cut taxes or something,

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Speaker 1: is Van's gonna you know, go against them on that.

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Speaker 1: You know, my guess is probably not, because the party

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Speaker 1: used to sort of always sort of fall back into that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if at some point the party will

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Speaker 1: change in such a way that maybe it doesn't do that,

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Speaker 1: then it has a that that just has sort of

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Speaker 1: a different set of priorities to reflect the kind of growing,

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Speaker 1: sort of working class nature if it's based. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I just I just don't know if that if that's

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Speaker 1: on the horizon. Yeah, well, I think the fact that

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Speaker 1: JD didn't really put those economic issues at the center

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Speaker 1: of his campaign that he clearly and he did very

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Speaker 1: well with a new you know, white working class Republican base. Ohio.

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Speaker 1: I know you know this, but for the audience is

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Speaker 1: home to the district that has moved the furthest right

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Speaker 1: the fastest. It's like an Appalachian Ohio district is actually

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Speaker 1: a place I used to live. So that base was

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Speaker 1: very responsive to his sort of like cultural signaling. And

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Speaker 1: so that means you don't actually there's not much incentive

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Speaker 1: to buck the conservative line on the tax break issues

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Speaker 1: and things that you're talking about, because ultimately the money

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Speaker 1: is all behind like continuing the same what I would

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Speaker 1: call pro corporate direction. Mean, yeah, I think it's I

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Speaker 1: think it's a fair point. And you have Advance won

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Speaker 1: every county south of Columbus. A lot of them are

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Speaker 1: Appalachian counties, are that you would definitely classify as white

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Speaker 1: working class and places where Democrats have been doing worse

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Speaker 1: and worse over time. Some Advans's best counties also, we

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Speaker 1: were you know, southern and eastern Ohio, places that where

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Speaker 1: Trump also did well even while losing the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: Republican presidential primary to John Kaisik in Ohio. And so

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Speaker 1: there was definitely some some you know, crossover I think

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Speaker 1: between support, although Vance also held up pretty decently in

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Speaker 1: some of the kind of bigger urban counties. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, again he only got about a third of

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Speaker 1: the vote, but his level of support was pretty broad.

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Speaker 1: And again it was a field with five fairly credible candidates,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I don't want to knock him

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Speaker 1: too much for quote only getting a third of the vote. No, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was still a significant achievement. You know, Kyle, what

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Speaker 1: does this tell you about the broader map? We've got

1911
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Speaker 1: a bunch of upcoming primaries. Where are some other tests

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Speaker 1: of Trump's power that we should look to outside of

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Speaker 1: Georgia that I already mentioned. Yeah, so North Carolina and

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania are coming up on May seventeenth, so less than

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Speaker 1: two weeks away. Trump endorsed Ted Budd, a House member,

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Speaker 1: over Pat McCrory, who's the former governor of North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Looked like that happened many many months ago and McCrory

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Speaker 1: was leading for a while. Looks like Budd has taken

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Speaker 1: command of that race, and so that would represent another

1920
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Speaker 1: kind of endorsement victory for Trump. And then you've got Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a more interesting race where you

1922
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Speaker 1: got a number of candidates. The most prominent ones are

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Speaker 1: Dave McCormick, a business guy, and then Memet Oz, a

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Speaker 1: television doctor. H and Trump of course endorsed Oz. Even

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Speaker 1: though a lot of some other folks are sort of

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Speaker 1: in Trump world are backing McCormick. That one still seems

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Speaker 1: kind of up in the air. To me. We haven't

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Speaker 1: gotten a lot of updated numbers there since Trump right

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Speaker 1: back to Oz. So that's probably the most interesting one

1930
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Speaker 1: coming up in the next few weeks. And what about

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Speaker 1: on the Democratic side in Pennsylvania. I just saw a

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Speaker 1: new poll that seems to show that Fetterman, who was

1933
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Speaker 1: like a Bernie Sanders backer is kind of running away

1934
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Speaker 1: with the thing. At least according to this pull, he

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Speaker 1: is fifty three percent. Connor Lamb, who's you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of positioned himself as like a moderate blue dog type

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Speaker 1: candidate down at fourteen percent. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: that side? Yeah, I mean all the indications have been

1939
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Speaker 1: that Fetterman is going to run away with this thing.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be a real big surprise at this

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Speaker 1: point if he wasn't wasn't nominated. And I just think

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Speaker 1: Fetterman sort of has made sort of a bigger name

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Speaker 1: for himself. He is from Western PA, just like Connor

1944
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Speaker 1: Lamb is, but I think Fetterman is probably much better

1945
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Speaker 1: known across the state because he is in a state

1946
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Speaker 1: wide position, even though lieutenant governor is not that big

1947
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Speaker 1: of a position. But you know, Fetterman is kind of

1948
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Speaker 1: a kind of a character. He's someone who gets a

1949
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Speaker 1: lot of media attention, and I think he also made

1950
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Speaker 1: kind of raised his profile in the aftermath of the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, when he was really all over the

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Speaker 1: place on television and whatnot, you know, defending the integrity

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Speaker 1: of the of the Pennsylvania election, which I think probably

1954
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Speaker 1: also kind of helped helped him lay the groundwork for

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Speaker 1: what looks to be a at least successful primary run

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Speaker 1: for the Democratic nomination. Yeah. Always great to have your

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