WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 5 - Pt. 1 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.880 As Media. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.600 Hello and welcome to day five of the Better Offline 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:25.000 Consumer Electronics Show Saga. I'm your host edna. I am well, slept, 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.920 I ate two meals yesterday. My feet feel great, I 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.440 look fantastic. I'm having a hell of a show. But 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.599 it's the last day, sadly, but only the last day 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.240 of the show. We have today and then we have tomorrow, 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.959 a kind of our positive masculinity day. We're getting we're 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.880 getting massages, we're having brunch, We're gonna have a wonderful podcast, 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.000 can talk about our feelings. It's gonna be amazing. But 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.640 today we have an incredible cast with us. To my 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.120 left is Edward Graso Junior, my wonderful correspond Hello. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:54.080 How's everyone doing. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.720 I'm great, as I just said, clearly was thinking of 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.560 something else. But over to my right, I have the 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.720 wonderful Sheilin Low, the debutyta Or and Gadget Shlan. 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.520 Thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:05.959 having me. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.280 And to my right David j Roth. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:09.720 How you doing, David, I'm good. How are you? 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.720 Oh wait, no, you already said that the only wanted 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.119 to't ask? 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.440 Yeah, yeah, well you were everyone was doing Oh okay, Well, 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:24.200 didn't ask though anyway until now. Yes, So how many 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:25.399 CS is this? Is this for you? 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:30.200 I've well few enough that I'm not last season as 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.280 people who have done this twenty five years. I think 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.679 I'm under ten. I think nine or eight. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:35.560 That's still a low. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.480 Yeah, that sort of still seems high to me. This 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:39.039 is my first and Edwards first. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:40.839 Oh how does it feel? 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.000 Oh so real? 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:42.759 Yeah? 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.039 Yeah? 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.039 Is that everything you expected? And Moore? I want to 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:48.559 know about Ann Moore. I want to know about. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.440 Most of what I got in terms of expectations setting 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.800 was from ed and it was like I kind of 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.200 expected it to suck more than it does, okay, like 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.640 because he was more or less, you know, trying to 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.160 get me. I don't know if it was just that's 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.120 how I was just motivated, Like you have no idea 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.040 how depraved it is. Like you're going to see things 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:05.480 down there and. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.160 It's like that's it's a trade show. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.880 Like, I mean, it still kind of stinks, but there's 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.560 it was more normal for the most part, which made 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.760 the stuff that was like ridiculous and dystopian pop that 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:18.520 much harder for me. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:23.040 I enjoyed it pretty well. Depraved. I'm sorry, yeah, go on, 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:25.720 was there a version of it that was I feel 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.400 like it? Okay, this CS is like surprisingly, I feel 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.119 like Las Vegas as a city has figured a lot 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:33.720 of it shipped out. Can I swear? 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:34.080 Yes? 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:35.160 Great? 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:42.320 Ah? Fuck? Don't do all the swears. Okay, just all right? 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.280 Okay, the brown word, you could say damn but not 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.680 you know, but no, no sea words. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.519 No, yeah, I think that's the one. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.920 Yeah, okay, gotcha, So chicken. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.000 So what do you how do you get like Vegas 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:01.400 has like assimilated this? 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.399 Yeah? So, I mean you can see all the construction happening, 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.280 but they've managed to make it so the construction is 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.320 not impeding a lot of the getting around, which you 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.880 have done in previous years of traffic. I'm sure you know. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.600 And being at CS is like a double punishment. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.000 Oh god, I don't know why you choose to do 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:17.640 that to yourself, but you did choose to do this 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:23.760 many decisions. The West Hall is beautiful. The fact that 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.400 the weather is extremely beautiful this week makes everyone feel 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.720 better when they're outside. I've been here when there was 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.480 the rain and the snow, and then one year everything 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.840 all the power went out and all of the boots 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.720 at the same time, and I was on stage doing 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.000 like a panel hosting a panel interviewing Sony's like head 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.640 of hardware or something, and we were like vamping on 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.920 stage for a minute there while the power came back on. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.200 So there's been like cs as baths where like things 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.800 haven't been as nice or I I to me, this 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:54.200 has been nicely running fairly. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:54.280 So. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:54.880 Yeah. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.880 The one thing I will say that worries me about 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.000 Las Vegas is for like a solid decade we lost 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.760 the flappy guys, the guys who have the cards yes 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.840 that they flip together to off for escals. Those guys 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.520 disappeared for a long time. But for the first time 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.720 since like twenty fourteen, I would say they're they're back, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.000 but there's not many of them. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.080 They just kind of I saw them when I was 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.920 last year, really when I saw you the first time 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:22.880 that we met. Yeah, but they were like outside of 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.599 the insurance convention that Jaython had been. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.680 The right place to be. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.479 Yeah, maybe they're just like looking at the people that 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.280 are going to see yes, and or like these are 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:35.719 this is not an escort crowd. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:38.640 Yeah, they just they have a meeting beforehand and they 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.080 have like an Excel spreadsheet they all work through and like. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.000 We're really the odds out, let's make it happen during 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.640 AVN Again, that's not just no no, no, no no. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.680 Maybe maybe they're like these guys can build their own escorts, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.520 you know, like the robots that we saw this year. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.800 Yeah, yeah, that there was a tap hunter washing and 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.520 post a narcle about that where it was like the 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.920 conversation with the guys about that, and everyone's just like, 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.000 I don't, I don't know, man, Like it's just I'll 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.159 link to it in the in the thing. But I 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.880 do think the tech industry reporters do kind of need 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.920 to look at AVM more and kind of broaden out 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:11.560 from this stuff. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.240 But because as much and I do apologize. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.640 To female listeners who feels like who said stuff about 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.839 being gross a few times on this, but I will 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.240 say sex perversion all that is a part of society 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.159 and one can be puritanical about it, but that area 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.359 needs more coverage. And we've kind of talked about seeing 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.320 the various dilldonics manufacturers around here. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.160 That sounds better when you use the technical terms stiltonics, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.880 advanced tillics, A lot more consonants than you'd expect, right, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.560 But I feel like that is a weirdly left out 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.040 part called jet age. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.760 I think I can't speak for all of the tech media, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.000 but we're Engadget. It's like we've got a prioritize he 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.920 has is such a huge show. We've got the krs 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.560 of drones and robots. We do cover sex tech like 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.799 this year there was the motor Bunny or Motor. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.159 Fluffy, Motor Bunny power and know uh something powered by 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:03.880 Fluffer I haven't read yet, thank you. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.040 That was when I went back down to the floor. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.880 For what I'm writing, it is motor Bunny powered by Fluffy. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.760 And then there's another low Vents is the one that's 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:16.680 across from it. That was the one where they actually 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.160 like I was there with a guy's like a producer 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.200 for other podcasts like Friends of Ours that we're also 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.960 here and has like it's sort of like a running 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.039 gag in those podcasts that this guy's life is just 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.839 completely feral and like just how to take care of himself. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.240 And I saw him like blush while getting just instructions 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.240 on how this thing sinks. With that at the event's 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.640 thing the I didn't go to the motor Buddy powered 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.680 by Fluffer. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.760 Sure bit just because you know the news there though, 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.400 no they're making uh I believe Adel Donn. That's powered 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.680 by game control. Well I thought it was a game. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:56.200 The game is called fabby Bunny. Yeah, but it's this 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.960 sort of thing, like you, there's a limit no one 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.080 expects me to do, really grig Journals. I'm a sports 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.880 writer and I'm here because there's a fulld out bed 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.839 and everything. Ause I enjoy hanging out with my friends. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.800 Also for the podcast, also for the podcast, but the 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.520 idea of like having to look someone in the face 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.760 while he says like fappy bunny to me, Like just 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.560 like it's a normal thing to say to a guy. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.160 I think, do you think it's it's odd because you're 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:21.160 both men may presumably sis hetero men in the space 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.880 same sites, because I covered this from the woman's angle 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.880 to your point that like in tech, especially a space 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.360 that's not predominantly like friendly to women. You know, you know, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.240 the CTA has been notorious for not wanting to showcase 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:39.680 sex type for women thing. Yeah, so I mean since 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.200 the big huhah, I think four or five years ago 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.160 Laura to Carlo really went out and said, like, why 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.720 are they not allowing us? They restonded our innovation award. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.000 They made a smart vibrator, I believe, and were granted 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.640 an innovation award in sort of the health category and 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.520 then had it rescinded it like weeks before the show started. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.000 I can't remember how many years christ Yeah, and they 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.800 like didn't let them display at the actual show floor era. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.080 I remember even before Lord de Carlo did all of that, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.560 I was covering. I'm sorry, Lord de Carlo is a 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.560 sex tech company that made a smart vibrator with a 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.200 focus on women right and women's sexual health and empowerment. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.280 I have I interviewed them for a piece back then, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.240 and I haven't kept in touch as much, and so 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.600 I've completely forgotten, like my brain's ram has run out. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.640 But I remember very well another brand, Lioness, who makes 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.360 also a smart vibrating bildo, and they had to like 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.960 show it an off site sort of non official, non 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.320 sanction see as event in Vegas that they had made 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.800 orgasm arts. So they have a smart vibrator with sensors 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.720 in it, right, and it would like tell you when 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.440 you've had an orgasm based on the vibrations. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 That actually feels like that might be very use It is. 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.120 Actually useful because the pitch back then and you know, men, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.160 when you have erectile dysfunction, for example, it could be 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.240 an indicator that something's wrong with your heart health. It 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.360 could be something that's wrong somewhere else in your body. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.320 It's like a check engine light for women. It could 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.480 be similar. Like, we don't have enough data, and that 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.600 was step one on collecting the data. So the Lioness 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.800 Smart vibrator was very impressive to the point where like 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.480 on the Engadget team, like we we gave it like 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.200 one of the it was a nominee for an award 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.360 in the health category that year that we were awarding 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.560 the CTAs Best of cs Awards, and it is it 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.360 does like you to your point ed, we were just 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.840 talking before the podcast starter that we need people in 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.200 the space where like away I'm familiar and the CTA 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.440 was gatekeeping some of this or it was like not 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.880 open to because it was squamish. I get it makes 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.800 people screamish to be like you put this inside you. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.280 Yeah, but I think that you raised something with David. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.520 Men in general do not discuss sex, thank you, and 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.840 men have a very hard time talking about like arouse, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.800 they talk about lust. They're very good at discussing the 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.160 journey and all that. Like it's almost like, oh, sex 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:51.800 is something we do in a dark crew and we 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.280 hide from it despite men also craving it. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.560 So the discussion with men about sex is actually quite rare. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.680 I only have to I never talked about having sex 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.559 with you guys, not literally doing it, but it also 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.280 having had sex in general, which is the one rule 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.320 we have here, does not happen at ces. That's that's 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.280 a choice. But nevertheless, it's like men don't have these 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.800 discussions about sex in general. So the idea of a 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.920 man being able to go up to and it's a challenge, 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.120 especially if it outside of your coverage, to go up 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.840 and be like, hey, so how do you use this 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.040 that hoo hoo, but also not feeling a little vulnerable 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.760 because with men, especially with sex toys, at least in 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.240 my experience of discussing with them, they're scared of the 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.199 idea of using it with a partner like male or female. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.360 That the idea is it's like giving up, even though 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.800 from my experience, whatever gets the job done. A woman 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.960 tend to be pretty happy, but even then even saying 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.640 this out loud, I'm like, Yeah, this is the conversation 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.240 I wouldn't have with guys in general. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.760 Yeah, yeah, I think we should be talking more and 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.440 more about it. Like I just from you bringing that up, Ed, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.199 I was like said, I was like, oh, yeah, men 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.400 probably don't even talk about because I have for a 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.240 large chunk of my life been like we need to 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.400 talk more about sex just a monstreament. I think we 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.840 need to talk about what gets you, what an orgasm 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.760 feels like? Like what is all this stuff? Because there's 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.199 people that are not having it and that's just depressing. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:06.960 It's like they're like, I don't know what does get 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:08.520 me off or not? But have I had to know 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:09.640 or not? Like it's I'm just. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.800 Joy in it. There is so much that and like 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.600 the intimacy you can have with someone with having a detailed, 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.280 meaningful conversation about what gets you both off. It's something 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:18.200 you can walk and you need to. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.800 Talk to your partner about it. What are you going 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.000 to do or talk to yourself about it? Figure yourself 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.920 out and then talk to your partner or partners or 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.000 whatever you want to do with people about it. Like 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.080 you should be experiencing joy and every and and I 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.120 get that as we're talking about this, people already feeling squeamish, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.640 like I'm sure listeners are like uncomfortable with the topic. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.840 It's it's not like I don't know how we're going 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:37.320 to integrate. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.360 Your listeners are demanding did she. 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.520 Has try to overcrack? Because I feel like when I 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.520 looked at the innovation awards when I first or not overcracked. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.559 But have they tried there's has their response been like, oh, 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.840 we don't want that backlash, or oh, we are like 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.199 changing our mind about it. I because I because I 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.200 didn't realize that they have given an innovation award and 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:01.160 removed it. They had an innovation award to a vibrator 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.160 to a smart I think dolphin or vibrator toy in general, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:09.319 but that was the only one that I saw and 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:13.920 most of it. I'm curious about whether it's like, okay, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:18.600 since that since they had this scandal, they're like, Okay, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.360 we'll just do a sort of small carve out and 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:25.040 that will be enough as a sort of superficial move, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.120 but we're not actually going to talk about it, change 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.200 attitudes about it, integrated more. 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.240 Kind of like lip service kind of like just giving 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.880 you your here have this and like don't bother as anymore. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.400 So I think it's I think thematically relevant as well, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.480 because there's a real irony about it, because the reason 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.360 they're probably not putting it front and center is that 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.600 like I was just giving into iniquity all these people 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.880 just be talking about, right, So instead you do the 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:48.880 thing that's well known with sex that you should do, 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.440 which is repression. Yeah, when you just hide it all 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.360 versus and you talk about people being uncomfortable talking about this, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.240 we're not talking. 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:56.760 About the actuspects of it not. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.600 But also there is joy and happiness within this in 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.679 the same way that not real problems of being solved 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.160 all the time here sex toys are actually solving them 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:05.880 on the I can't. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.720 Speak to how squeamish or not squeamish ces is because 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.000 I don't know very much about it, But it feels 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.320 like this is a dynamic that we've kept coming back 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.360 to in these which is like this is a product 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.000 that solves like a problem that people experience. It's like 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.559 the thing that like enhances your life in some way, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.960 And it feels like much of for me, I guess 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.760 like the balance of the stuff that you see here 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.000 is not that it is either like it's do Dad 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.200 stuff to a certain extent, but then also there's this 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.680 like pie in the sky shit about like it's a 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.680 house that like empathizes with you and it helps it 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.880 helps you pick out your you know, yeah right, yeah, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.800 Whereas in this case, it's like the stuff that I 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:47.200 was impressed with down there was stuff that was basically 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.440 like that felt like an invention. It felt like an 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.640 invention that had become a product that could then be 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.280 like marketed and sold. And it doesn't I don't know 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.160 to what extent. And this is something the people that 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.640 have been to more cees Is than me could speak on, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.680 like has the was there a time when it was 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.680 more of a like a place that sold products or 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.880 has it always been a place where like LG promises 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:06.920 to fix your life. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.160 I can't speak for like more than ten years past, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.080 but yeah, yeah, I guess I mentioned this recently. Like 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.000 it started as feeling like the Home Entertainment LG show, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.160 along with some like laptops and Hairy Bud sprinkled around. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.760 Right, I gather there was an auto show era. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.880 Yeah, there was one year where it was the Car Show, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.640 and then now it is the AI Show. But then 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.720 you still have like I think South Hall has always 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.480 been filled with like gadgets that feel like do dads 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.960 from like other parts of the world. And then I 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.040 think as CTA continues to expand its space and its scope, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.480 you've got more and more of like people feeling like 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.440 they can pay five thousand dollars to get a table 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.920 come here and show there can like what's that term 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.720 for something that does something too like a there's a 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.480 term for it, like the like something that does something 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.000 that some other brand does anyway, like a clone pretty 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.640 much like yeah, exactly, so anyway, it's clone substitute beeps 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.560 of like, oh my gosh, I saw so many dice 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.120 and the hair dryer dudes this year. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.480 You know, I saw so many different kinds of the 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.280 same battery pack. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:07.600 Thank you. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.040 Yeah, I also love battery packs. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.640 I saw so many smart rings. I saw so many 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.560 you know, it's the one year there was massage chairs everywhere, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.840 and now it's like their transformer massage chairs everywhere. It's 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.160 it is, to an extent always that kind of show. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:24.880 Somewhat pivot here, but one of pieces of gadget's coverage 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:25.960 was about these new. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.120 Like vacuums they with the arms. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:30.960 Can you hold me through what the hell that is? 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:31.360 Yeah? 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.360 I mean you had Charissan on your show recently. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:38.280 She's coining you covered its good. Yeah, very unfomous bell 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.080 but yeah, no, she tell. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:40.440 Me about this. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.240 So so it started with robo Rock. I'm gonna paint 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.760 a tail for you here. Robo Rock is one of 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.200 the most well known names in the roboback space. And 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.280 you know those spinning robot vacuums and go and clean 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.840 your floors for you. The innovation in them has in 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.160 the past or in recent years been like combining the 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.600 vacuum and mopping features. Now they're like, how else do 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:06.360 we innovate? Well, roboock builds a robotic arm into its 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.960 disk of robo vac and the arm can come up 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.400 and it has obviously sensors and stuff like that can 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.440 detect obstacles in front of it and be like, oh, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:17.440 this is sock I need. Like in the past, the 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.560 robot vacuum would get tripped up and maybe not you know, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.000 continue to vacuum right or go somewhere else. And now 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.200 if it can pick up the sock, that's in its way, 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.800 or toothbrush or hairbrush or whatever is in this way. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.160 It can put it away and then continue to clean 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.480 the path that it was on, or you know, put 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.360 it somewhere else. So somehow everyone was like, hell, yes, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.480 this is the thing that I wanted out my life, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.640 which makes sense. This is a real world application of 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.920 something that well in the limited demo, yes, right, like 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.200 it did work. It did seem to go up to 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:51.800 a sock, pick it up and put it in the 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:52.840 laundry basket that was. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.040 Jecks up to three hundred a little more than half 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:55.400 a pound. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.320 Yeah, so roboocks vacuum only has that weight limit. And 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.640 then and the funny thing is with ce as we 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.639 were just talking about this, every other Robovat company was like, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.320 we also have arms. Here we go. Dreamy, for example, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.320 was supposed to only debut it's like stair climbing robot, 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.080 which also is another obstacle in these homes, decided to 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.840 show off its arm. But it's a more solid looking 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.679 clamp situation that seems to be able to handle like 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:27.399 way more weight. So yeah, exactly, I'm like, I good 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.040 for you. You go to the gym, but you know, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.760 out vacuum that I don't know what you would call that, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.440 the transformer of vacuums, the optimus prime of vacuums maybe, Yeah, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.680 But yeah, I mean, look, it's nice to see these 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.760 companies innovate and then copy the heck out of each other. Yeah, but. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:54.160 Has like a you know, it's sort of reassuringly concrete 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.879 relative to some of the area or stuff. Not only 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.480 can you see what problem they're aiming to solve, but 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.680 you can like sort of watch the process of competition 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:03.200 playing out. 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:03.440 Yeah. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.639 In terms of that, whereas and the thing that I 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.000 felt and you were you saw like actual crypto guys 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.560 talking today, like the maximum amount of abstraction, the language 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.240 where you're just kind of like we I don't even 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.280 understand what you're what you're fixing for me here? Yeah, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.480 beyond like a comprehensive reimagining of my life that removes 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.960 any personal agency and replaces it with your proprietary yeah, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.480 algorithms or whatever it is. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.159 So on the subject of robots, though, what else have 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:29.640 you seen? 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.840 Yeah, A lot of the robots we saw and liked anyway, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.160 we did a round up at Engadget mostly were these 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.240 like cute, emotional support robots, Like. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:43.119 Everyone's talking about these them, but it seems that everyone 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:43.920 actually likes them. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.680 We like them because they're cute, right, and they're like 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.520 some of them are like eighty bucks. It's like eighty bucks. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:48.040 Yeah, why not? 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.800 Like I would get I'm a person who has some 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.720 form of self diagnosed OCD, which is I don't like 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:57.680 pets because they mess up my place, right, and so 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.680 I still want the warmth and tender love of a cute, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.000 little furry creature that can do its own thing but 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.280 not poop. And they the idea of a furry robot 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:12.600 that has warmth that can generates One of them does so. 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.560 The not the Yukai engineering, the rope pet. The rope 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.359 pet does generate warmth, and so it sort of feels 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.320 comforting right when you have it on you. The other 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.000 one that we saw is the Yukai engineering is mirum. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.760 It's something that stares at you. Yeah, that was when 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:27.120 they curse. 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.720 I really don't I have not seen this thing yet, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.160 but the idea of something staring at me really free. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.840 Though I don't know. I think it's a character personal. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.880 The tombot that we saw, Yeah, Leo, there's a dog 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:46.159 for people with dementia that I mean, at first glance 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.080 also did feel and look like a like a dog, right, 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.399 And it's kind of just programmed where it's like, you know, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.120 maybe you would you would benefit from having the companionship, 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.960 but you you're, you're, you're dementias to it progressed for 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.920 you to be able to take care. 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:00.560 Right. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.680 See that's a really good use case. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.000 You can't talk to them at all, because the only 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.840 question I have there is if in the latter stages 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.479 and experiences I've had mostly through friends, is wouldn't they 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.000 forget about it? Would it not be jarring? But I 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.320 honestly I really am rooting for them because that sounds lovely. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.560 That sounds like something that actually solves a problem of 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.840 you can't really do contiguous care when you yourself are 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.440 kind of out of sync with the world due to 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.560 your condition. See, this is the thing, is we roll 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.200 to the end of this show. It is nice to 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.680 have a conversation where it's not entirely just yeah, I 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.160 don't know what that I a con man and another 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.560 connon man were conning each other in front of me. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.160 It's just Vegas, no exactly. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.479 Yeah, there is that feeling of that's like the bit 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.600 of it that has when I've felt overwhelmed by this 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.399 beyond them, like the volume, like the physical challenge of 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:54.320 just like walking for whatever twenty miles or this. There's 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.480 the sense sometimes of like you're trying to take in 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:02.160 the entire spectrum of like free market fuckery and form bite, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.400 you know, like from like the white label cable manufacturers 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.160 on the bottom of things to the you know whatever 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.240 the like Amazon or like just litteral you know, globe 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.600 bestriding giants on the other one. That it's like you 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.879 see the plankton and you see the whale sharks, and 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.320 like every single thing in between is like it's a 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:21.240 lot to sort of hold in your head. Yes, it 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.359 makes the to me at least, it makes the actual 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.200 products that seem to have actual use cases feel that 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.760 much more valuable or welcome because there's you know, it's 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.399 like I sort of know what it's about. There's a 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.840 lot of this stuff that is impossible for me to parse. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.199 So how long have you been here is? Or how 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:39.680 many days? 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.399 Oh yeah, I landed January fourth, Saturday, and today is 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.720 what Friday? So and I'm leaving tomorrow. I have big 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.200 plans to go explore the desert or something, and I'm here, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:52.960 like to go and get on an ATV or something 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.359 and go like just because today officially everyone's flying home 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:58.240 from my team and so yeah. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.520 Not y'all salt or salt bed. 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.200 I guess assault bed. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:05.560 I think it's you know if oh. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.359 Oh the flat light? Yeah, gotcha. No, I haven't go 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.520 for a hike. Yeah, I want to do that after this, 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.080 which is why when you ask me to stay for long, 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:13.600 a girl was like, ed, not that long. 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:15.320 I gotta go. 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.240 I have to go visit a canyon. I have to 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:22.520 do something lost in the mountains. If you would never 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:23.399 hear from me again, you. 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.560 Want to be very lost, just be me. So so far, 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.800 what is your favorite thing you've seen? I say so far? 0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:29.800 As we talk about the end? 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.000 Yeah, hard to choose. Can I say what is not 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:34.200 the favorite thing I've seen? 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:34.760 Absolutely? 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.600 I've seen this video making the rounds. Now that I 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:40.720 finally had some time to get back on my social 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.000 media like binging habits and on Reddit and on a 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.520 lot of social media platforms, this video of this AI 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:48.000 sex robot. 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.320 Yeah, the one hundred and seventy thousand. 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.119 Yeah, the one with the dark haired, dark long hair, 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.640 looking like they're falling off a chair. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:58.159 Basically, yeah, when we will hit the brake in like 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.200 eight minutes, let'll show you a picture. But it is 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.199 really funny because I love that there's always one company 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.399 that does something like this where they just everyone experiences 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.399 the Uncanny Valley at once. Yeah, and they're like, but 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.800 we got a ton of press out of it. Every 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.520 article is just like this horrifying thing. A company is made, 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.600 these these evil people. They talk about them like one 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.520 of the bad guys from Full Metal Alchemists. They like 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.080 the monstrosities they have summoned, and like nailed it. 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.440 I saw something that kind of reminded me of this 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.800 where it was and it was this humanoid robot and 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.600 it was very loudly, clearly saying I'm a text based AI, do. 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.600 Not have a body, and it's fully imp. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:41.960 And I was just like, Okay, that's this is a 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:45.600 good gimmick because that only comes up. I stood there 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:47.520 for about ten minutes. That only comes up like once 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.480 every seven minutes for a while the rest of the time, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.480 you can do the little gimmick where you're talking to 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.240 it and it's speaking and you just don't hear that. 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:58.440 It's like probably just literally a chatbot speaking out of 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.800 the speakers, but you find tuned it it looks human, right, 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.000 and you got a chance to advertise whatever AI platform 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.560 platform that it is that the company was connected to, 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:10.240 which is ways way. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.360 It's like, w it's a waste. Oh that's a tough one, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:20.520 hey baby, I somehow missed the Hall of Uncanny humanoids, 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.280 which is like, thank goodness, and it's still a couple 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:22.800 of hours left. 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:23.720 I guess I could go down. 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:25.920 I just sort of robot with like a Donald Trump 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:29.600 masco on took a picture then immediately deleted it because 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:31.680 I know when someone's trying to get coverage. I know 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.000 when someone's just Donald. 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.240 In sense that was the case with the sex spot 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:39.879 that they were just basically like, I mean this we 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:41.560 got mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. They called this 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:44.600 the embodiment of everything that's wrong with temporary culture. 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.800 You know, like, yeah, no, I think to your point, 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.560 the it's refreshing for me to see the pr angle 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.080 of this that you're thinking of. I know, I'm just 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:54.800 there like, oh right, yeah, this is a cheap method 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.399 to employ I I didn't get that vibe. We didn't 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.080 even cover it. None of it was not even on 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.120 our radars, Like yeah. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.320 Because don't encourage them. But also back to the earlier theme, 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.879 it's like a thing, a thing made by someone who 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:11.600 is not actually interested in people having sex or meaning 0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.600 exactly direct SEXU relationships. It's like, what are these ugly 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:19.119 pigs that never have sex? One a horrible robot that 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.040 looks like kind of like a woman, so they can 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.240 have their horrible sex in a locked room, criminalizing sex, 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.880 treating it like this ugly thing that we should hide 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.040 from the world. Were also kind of making fun of 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:29.720 people who. 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.960 Yeah, making fun of their target audience, which is the 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.479 irony of that is so strange. 0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:36.840 This is empathy and joy and honesty about sex, which 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.879 is like a meaningful thing that people should explore. 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:42.320 It's part of life. Yeah, I disagree. Is how we 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:42.920 got here. 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.000 Listen to Protestants were onto. 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.480 Something I love. It seemed to be fifty to fifty 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:50.159 split on this. It's pretty normal about it. 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:51.960 Before I came to Las Vegas. Now I'm taking a 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.040 hard stance to get this ship out. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.440 Sex is out in twenty twenty five, before I came 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.680 here as a freak and I'm leaving with some some change. 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.399 I hear about crypto apparently what you're a convert now? 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.680 Oh yeah, I you know, I think I should be 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:09.400 on the blockchain. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.960 I think, oh gosh, oh god, you know someone's done yeah, 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.800 like with unutterable horrors that has now that it's been uttered. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:19.960 Yeah, who knows what's going. 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.879 On in Thistle Street general cs, abomination. 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.240 Of the Yeah, yeah, I bet money is someone I 0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.679 know like them or a friend is making it right now. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.000 They should be making something else. They should like getting 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.280 their affairs in order. When I find not, that's it. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.440 So as we as we approached the break, here, is 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:41.880 there anything else you're going to see on the show? 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:42.640 Are you've just done? 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.760 Okay? So I'm here for personal interest. 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:45.040 Now. 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:48.760 Last night I was supposed to already be done working, 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.720 but I went to the Venetian Expo and I saw 0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.520 some like last minute accessibility related products that's always been 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.879 like a topic I pay attention to myself. We actually, 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.280 I'm very proud to say this, and Gadget's like best 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.960 of Sea as winner, like the best in show. Best 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.359 of all the things we saw was a smart cane 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:04.960 for the blind. 0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.560 So we talked about this and it's good, like because 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.680 my worry with it was a it needs an Internet 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.440 connection if it's going GPT thing. But it works. 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.560 It worked, Yeah, and in the busy wife like convention 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.800 floor where like you assume the Wi Fi is like 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.480 clogged as as shit, right, and I did not clarify 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.000 or verify what type of Internet connection was using. Was 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:26.960 it on device? I bet it's not because there's a 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.680 very thin, like well made device, like they folded it 0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:31.800 up unfolded it showed me. I held it in my 0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.840 hand and used it a bit. It seems to work 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:34.240 really well. 0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:35.119 It's the white like on it. 0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.119 It is slightly heavier than I think you're conventional like 0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:41.920 folding cane for people who are visually impaired, but not 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:43.800 too much heavier. Not to be clear, this is like 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.600 a second generation of an existing product. The first one 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.680 was a bit heavier, so they've refined it. They've made 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.040 the handle a little easier to hold. They've replaced like 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.040 a touchscreen sort of button situation with tactile buttons, which 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.119 should have been in the first one, right, like why 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.760 didn't you think of this? So they they have made improvements. 0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.760 Can you to and he have a pretty legitimate partner 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.800 in TDK who's like a big or more established company 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:10.480 to see this through. Look to your point, ed, z ed, 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.680 to your point. This thing at least if it dies, 0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:20.920 if it runs out of battery, it's still just a can. 0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.160 This is what Crisaer I believe said about it. It's 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.720 like it still functions as a device. It's just the 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.199 Wi Fi thing, is what it's because if it's if 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.040 the whole thing is a model. 0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.880 Well, but it's not entirely like a chat GBT only. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.399 I mean the term by turn navigations is something that 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.360 is quite important to the concept here, and the fact 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.040 that it will like that has a speaker on board 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.479 to like answer questions and stuff like that. So those 0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.600 are important things. But it's also got like a flashlight 0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.360 on board those sorts of things that don't require Internet 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:52.120 right for example. So that's something we you know, should 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.800 definitely clarify. 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Now, if you're 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.160 a big nasty baby and you love products because you're. 0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:49.800 Way I love. 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.480 I've got all this money and I don't way to 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.080 put it or don't know what podcast where, then just 0:29:54.200 --> 0:30:09.040 follow the ads off to this. You'll have something and 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.280 we're back. So Sherlin Shelin. We talked just before this 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.800 about this infrared mask. Now I say this for both 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.520 personal and professional reasons. What was this and why does 0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:21.120 what does the infrared mask thing? 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:21.280 Do. 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.680 Okay, so it's not just infrared. This is Shark's Cryoglow 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.120 and it debuted at CEUs twenty twenty five. It is 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:32.200 the latest in a string of like full face like 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:36.520 light based mask devices. You've probably maybe you've heard of 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:37.920 their faces. 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:39.800 Oh no, I'm going to be completely honest. I've been 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.200 targeted with these things. Yes, masks you put on the 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.840 kind of lose something to you and just being so 0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:47.360 because I have like gaunt eyes, I look like I'm 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:48.200 Polish British. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.640 It's not you're too mean to yourself, but god I am. 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.280 But that's part of the show. But for real, though, 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:55.440 what do these things actually why do you use them 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:56.360 as a person? 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.520 Okay, So, red light therapy, when used with effective components, 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.520 it is suppose to help like anti aging, help reduce 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.640 fine lines or signs of signs of aging, finance, wrinkles. 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.240 The blue light is supposed to help with antibacterial so 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:13.240 it's good for acne. Purportedly, infrared is helping with some 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.200 level of rejuvenation under the skin as well as penetrating 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.440 the layers of the skin. I know this is because 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:21.080 of the facials that I take, and I include the 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.400 light therapy in the salon. I feel like they work, 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.920 but I go for the like Salon grade ones, so 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.960 that's like probably going to work better and than any 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.320 of these home treatments. I've been very skeptical, skeptical of 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.240 devices like the Solo Wave, which is a smaller wand 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:41.760 with smaller COMPONENTSLD bulbs don't seem as as a fillender. 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.680 There is a laser safety specialist. It's currently he's just 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:48.160 got his head in his Sharon, please keep. 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.840 Talking about Yeah, I'm not sure how effective, right, Like 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.280 it's so hard to tell with these things, like when 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.120 you have to use them for six months to like 0:31:55.440 --> 0:32:03.600 see any Resultsay, no, oh no, I don't. I mean 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.160 I don't think they're completely unsafer useless. Right. 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.120 He's not saying that, he's just going to he would 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.200 come over and say something about how lazist. Just sorry, Phil, 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:12.640 come over. Why are you complaining? 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:14.880 Grab a chair, Grab a chair. 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:16.840 Please share your microphone with him so he can have 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:17.360 his party. 0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:18.640 I wasn't complaining. 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.040 You had your head in your hands. Yes, now he's 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:22.880 taking a knape. 0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:26.520 Because now this is just when I once again would 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.080 like to take a moment to really give thanks to 0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:33.800 the deeply overworked, put upon, and underfunded folks at the 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.400 Food and Drug Administration, specifically for the Center for Device 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:38.320 and Radiologic Heal. 0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.320 Yeah, I agree for whom None of. 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:48.120 These products ever get to them, nor do they get approved. 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.600 Are they not like home? I feel like there have 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.160 to be like home versions of this stuff. 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.840 And that's kind of looking at there are what did 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:55.640 the cryo one do? 0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.280 So the cryo part of it where these two metallic 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.920 plates are under the eye and they were just cold, 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.320 and it was so comfortable that felt, And that's very 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:09.240 useful for ski exactly exactly the important thing that having 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.680 had products like this come through where I work at 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.840 exceptional expense because they have success managed to sell them 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:18.800 to NFL teams. 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:24.320 I've had to stop people from spending hundreds of thousands 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:28.760 of dollars for you have gotten an ir hot red 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:35.680 light therapy unit. What it's doing is providing heat. How 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.200 is that different than the hot lamp at McDonald's. It's 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:43.719 considerably cheaper or alternatively, the thing we have literally been 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:50.360 using since time immemorial hot water bottles now in a 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.760 face mask form. It's to get it where it needs 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:58.800 to be. That is valuable putting an ir diode in it. 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:01.520 Is not okay. 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.040 So nothing wrong with the face mask. 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.560 Then, no other than do not sell the sematical product. 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.200 Do not well, no one does. 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.640 Don't try to make a claim. Do not allude to 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:16.000 a claim, which many people are I want to find 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:20.080 to let you make that assumption for them. Yeah, and 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.080 if they're feeling really good, they actually put a disclaimer 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.600 on their product so they I don't have to afford 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:25.320 them to the FDA. 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.600 No, no, no, you need to do that. I have 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:28.640 some so too as well. 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.640 Please absolutely, But coming so this. 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.160 Mask, so you have the cold bits, So is that 0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:35.400 to help with ibag semis. 0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.759 Yeah, it's just to help with like exactly tightening the 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.480 skin back up or just you know, feeling fresher when 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:43.040 you've had a rough night. And so the heat and 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.839 you use these so I've used it for like a minute, 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.200 so don't But you've used the masks in general though, 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.719 Oh no, the other two No, actually, I mean just 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.560 the inforation. Yes, I have used the Salon greed ones, 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:55.160 not the ADM. 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.319 What do they do like, it's it's just the heat 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:58.200 kind of Yeah. 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.680 You're supposed to put them on your face and then 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:01.880 turn like a four minute, eight minute, six minute session 0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.680 and then yeah, the not heat necessarily the ir ones 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.600 do you have heat? The red light therapy just shines 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.000 the light on you. There's the blue light depending on 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:16.279 which treatment you selected. And the cold for me was 0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.279 the only thing I could really walk away from the 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:22.440 experience having felt and it sounds I was so I 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.160 was very pleased with it. I will tell you I 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.239 have come around on these devices. I used to be 0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.080 hugely skeptical because I always thought they were ineffective, Like 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:32.320 how can you get a tiny light bulb to do anything? Really? 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.800 And to like the same point we're making everyone, yeah, exactly, 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.160 like it's it's heat, It's why do you need an 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:42.320 expensive device that their body like device is six hundred dollars, 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.480 the competing Dennis Groves doctor Dennis Groves device is four 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.120 fifty five. This is three forty nine. And that's part 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:49.879 of the reason I was intrigued. It's like, Okay, you're 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:51.920 bringing it down, You're doing something different with the cryo. 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.480 There's a lot more I think. I mean, I quoted 0:35:56.560 --> 0:36:00.080 the SVP of product development from Shark on this in 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:02.759 my article, which is I was like the theair body. 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.960 One vibrates and you know, to massage your skin, and 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.520 I think the company probably touts some benefits to vibration 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:10.120 and I was like, well, I think I know the 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.239 answer to this, but this is do shark cryo glow 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:16.040 vibrate And they're like, there's no vibration. This is a 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.360 skincare device. Vibration does nothing for the skin. And I 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.840 was like, you tell me, girl, you tell me. 0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:22.160 You know. 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.640 I was like I needed this exactly. And it's like 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.560 we're I think, as we see more competition in this 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.520 space where hopefully we'll see more people focus on what's 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:35.440 actually going to work in this sort of device where 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.879 there's a lot of like junk science. There's a lot 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.520 of like and my brain is so not working, but 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:42.719 like stuff that doesn't quite work. 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.320 It's you do science stuff, and it's they make these claims, 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.080 and they do it at the show where everyone's making 0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:49.200 some molobally claims. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.680 It's such a challenge to parse through all of it, 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:52.440 but also. 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.239 How does can I ask it just as it editorially? Yeah, 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.160 like how do I know that you You know? The 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.160 short answer is you work with a bunch of smart 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.839 people that know their fields and stuff. Like that, how 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.200 do you know like which, because there's we saw multiple 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.200 smart canes. I don't know if we saw the one 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:12.160 that you all awarded, Like, how can you tell if 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.279 it's if it's good or not. That's kind of a 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:18.480 remedial way of phrasing it. My brain's also not but 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.040 we can just whatever make our little dolphin sounds back 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.640 and forth. Yeah, trying to get there with you. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.960 I think it's partly because in Gadget has had such 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.919 a history of covering CEOs. We have the process down pad. 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.959 We start the process the second we get the full 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.480 exhibit or list for shows like Unveiled, and. 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.120 Patrick actually woke us through the process. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:37.800 Yeah of course. 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:38.120 Yeah. 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.840 So yeah, for this was my first year like fully 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.600 running the show for the team, and I started later 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.480 than I wanted to. Like since July, I've been like, 0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:48.520 we need to start playing CEOs right and we at 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.759 least get the trouble and accommodation booked ahead of time. 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.000 But this year we started like November, which was late 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:57.000 for us, and it was very late. I was very nervous. 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.080 But the CTA also didn't have a lot of the 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.920 directories for us to pass through until the week before Christmas. 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.880 So we spend all two weeks. II did and take 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.959 time off during the Christmas break, and I just spent 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.520 it looking at exhibitor lists and we google every single 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.920 name that is an exhibitor. We find out what they do, 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.480 and if we don't, we'll reach out. We'll find their 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.239 pr email address, We'll reach out and be like, what 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.360 are you showing at CES. Then we'll do the research 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.160 of like what is in the space, what else is 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.880 already in the space, is it new? Is it like expensive? 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:26.439 Is a junk? 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:26.719 Right? 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.080 And then the process actually happens before we fly off 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.200 to Vegas. When we do get here, then we make 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.279 the assignments of like we're going to unveil, We're going 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.600 to Pepcom, We're going to these booths. These are the 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.560 things that actually look interesting. We'll go and look at them. 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.520 These are things that we don't know if they're good 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:43.600 or not. We need to investigate them. We have a 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.440 tag internally called investigate, and so we go look at 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.520 the thing on the show floor. We have our reporters 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.640 go out talk to the company. And then also because 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.880 we're in Vegas, the research is going to be limited 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:55.880 to what we can google within two minutes, right to 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.160 make a call on whether this is important, but yes, 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.760 we then we try to match the people with expertise 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.360 in the space to the product, so at least they 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:04.600 have a wealth of information. 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.440 Audio and oh my god, he's so good, right, but 0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:08.920 that's the thing. You have specialists. 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.480 We have so much. Yeah, So Billy Steele's our specialist 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.680 on audio. I mean, the vendro was here. He's our 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:14.319 chip guy. 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:15.439 Oh he was stalking in video. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.640 Oh yeah, all in video all day and NPCs as well, 0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:20.359 I mean in video. I mean we have a bunch 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.320 of chip people too, which I'm so grateful for. And 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.080 we have multiple experts on some categories and they can 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.120 trade information. I wish you would get a chance to 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.759 see the debates that happen in our room sometimes, right, Like, yeah, 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:34.920 next year, next year, this will be the Engadget podcast 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.480 basically will have the topic exp. 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.200 We've got three of you on. I'm happy to have more. 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.000 I'm glad you've had so many. I mean, there is 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.120 such a diversity of voices and opinions on the team 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:44.920 to which I really like. And when they fight it out, 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.040 that's my favorite because I'm like, yeah, we can't agree 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:48.640 to disagree. 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:50.600 But also I've been quite critical of some of the 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.000 tech media on here, and I really this show is 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.120 not about like just see us. It's about kind of 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.880 explaining how the tech media functions because it's very easy too. 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.280 And I don't mean this is this insult to a gadget. 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.600 You could put it the c Net or even the 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:07.960 Virgin Yeah, definitely tech crunch. It's you think, oh, they 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.200 just turn up, and then they go it's the big company. 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:13.120 Oh look at a big television, big but when there 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.560 is actually quite a refined decade or more process that's 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.520 gone into it. And also covering this show is insane? 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:21.600 Is That was the bit that was like interesting to 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:22.080 hear for. 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.359 I mean, obviously it sucks that you had to spend 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.520 your entire holiday season parsing a list of twenty five hundred, 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.080 three thousand hour many companies are, but it seems like 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:34.000 it's so patently unmanageable, like it is, it was unmanageable 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:34.279 for us. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:34.759 I don't know. 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.960 You probably did see everything, ever, because you were here 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.000 longer than me, or came close to that. 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.839 I don't see the day I discovered that that there 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.120 was a cryptal pavilion that had been going on for 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.640 the entire time. Yeah, and I felt like I had 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:51.200 I didn't see it. I looked everywhere, you know, I 0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:52.759 accidentally stumbled on it because I was like. 0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:56.840 What am I doing in? Yeah, and that is like 0:40:57.239 --> 0:40:57.560 I don't know. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.680 I mean, I guess that's like sort of what happens 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:01.239 with the show like this that like you know, the 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:02.960 idea is that you know, for them, I guess the 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:05.479 business is you said, whatever it is, five thousand dollars 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.080 a table for starters, and then it probably significantly more. Exactly, 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.279 it's like, so you don't say no to anybody unless 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:15.239 it's like a women's health Yeah, I guess, yeah they don't. 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:20.960 We don't do that. But the idea of trying to 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.520 manage something this size, it's it's impressive. Like that's like 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.600 a you know, I I have so much self doubts. 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.959 I'm always like did we cover everything? That we miss something? 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.680 And it's you're always going to So that's why I 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.920 had to, like I let the team PEP talk with this, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.160 like we're here. Number one, we made it here. Some 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.799 people missed their flight, some people were sick, right number two, 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.040 something's going to go wrong and oh yeah, we'll just 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:41.960 have to accept it. Now. 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:43.560 That was the first thing I said to Phil. 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:44.640 Well, good, there you go. 0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:45.520 Yeah, something will go. 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.840 Wrong exactly, so we cannot get hung up on like 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.200 I missed this thing. I'd say, I if I do 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.200 that to myself at this show and to my team, 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.680 we will just never walk away from this feeling like 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:56.080 we've done our draw you. 0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.279 Cover just being great. And I say this like truly 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.320 as a reader of Engadget from fifteen plus years, like 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:03.200 like a long. 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:05.040 Long time just turned twenty something, twenty twenty. 0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:07.239 Yeah, that makes sense. And it's like this is a 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.359 mammoth show to cover and it's hard to And I've 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.560 had the same thing running. This is my first CS. 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:15.439 I've run better offline on and it's like, yeah, I'm like, shit, 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:17.640 I miss this. I'll see an article go and'll be like, 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.200 I'm the worst. I have failed the show. I've endangered 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.719 the mission and it's just impossible to do. So I'm 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.680 gonna change tech because you actually and this is a 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:29.319 miss of mind. Can you tell me what the Samsung 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:34.280 bally what this robot is? Because I've seen the articles 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.160 and I get I did not get a chance to 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:36.560 look at it. 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:38.520 Well, I don't know that it's even here at CS 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:39.160 twenty twenty. 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:40.880 Five, or someone's been showing pictures of it. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.879 Yeah, Bali. Bali's actually been at CS twenty twenty four 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.560 while it was debuted at CS twenty twenty four. But 0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.560 the concept of this like rolling robot that Samsung makes 0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.520 has been around for like what five years, I want 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.480 to say at least, if not longer, and it's in 0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:58.680 its like most mature iteration. The one that's going on sale. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:04.080 It's a bowling ball sized yellow robot that rolls around 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.120 your house. It's got a built in projector. It's got 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:07.960 the speakers built in. It listens to you speak. You 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.160 can talk to it and be like, oh trying, you know, 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:14.000 open the shades or like Casarta, the oven or whatever. 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.200 It talks to your smart home appliances. It can beam 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.880 like your screen on the ceiling, on a wall, on 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.680 the floor, wherever makes sense for you. The pitch was like, 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:26.960 it's this AI fitness companion, but it's also your home assistant, 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.160 all of these things. The news this CEES, because last 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.600 year was when they showed it off this CES is 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:36.040 that it's supposedly going to be available in the first 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.040 half of this year. I will caveat that. When they 0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.239 first announced Bali properly in CS twenty twenty four, they 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.480 did say it will be available in twenty twenty four, 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.279 So it's like, Samsung, are you are you really going 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:48.359 to push this out this year? 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:48.640 You know? 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:54.239 More of that claims to be cute. I guess send 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:55.319 Via do that for fraid. 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.680 I'm just gonna say seeing the pic, like again, I 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.759 don't there's a part every time somebody has talked about 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:02.279 like being like, yeah, it follows you around, it can 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.880 project stuff. There's it's not a good question. But the 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:06.560 thing that's in my head is just like, really me, 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.479 but are you sure? That sounds really hard? 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.640 That's it. It is a cute little guy. 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:13.880 And if you think this is like something that I 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:16.239 U sort of picked up, I guess also from Chris 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:17.719 of that does it does seem to be like one 0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:19.799 of the themes of the Cees is cute little guys. 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:21.560 So this this fits. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:23.840 This is like, you know, it doesn't just blinking. What 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.800 follows you around turns your stove on. 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.360 I say this with my Bengal cat Babo, who is 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.880 my familiar and he follows me around and he mows 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:32.280 at me, wants to be an eye level. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:33.120 Screaming at you. 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:33.960 I really enjoy that. 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:37.000 That's his sister, Pokey. I will post it go to 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.919 my socials. Pokey's his little system, My beautiful screaming queen 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.280 who loves to scream at me. She just wants affection 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.520 all the time. And who doesn't. Baboo is the beautiful 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.640 smelt Bengal who's mostly just stopped and he hasn't meow anyway. 0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:52.960 I guess that's why I don't need this thing, because 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.799 I already have something amazing to follow me. But at 0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.440 the same time, putting that aside, why do I need 0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.759 a robot following me? Why is to what end is 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.080 it following me? Oh, it's going to project something? What 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:04.279 is it going to project? Right? 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.040 And I also asked when did the shift to like 0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.040 affectionate intelligence. 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:10.279 To Yeah, that's actually a good point. 0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:12.920 I mean, has that been something you guys have detected 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:14.000 over the past few years. 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.040 My opinion is, I mean, the IBO has been around 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.400 for for a very long time, and it's peaked everyone's interest, 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.680 but it never really took off. Nobody really sold them 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.520 but robotics if you really look at the space in 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.799 the real world where is robotics. Robotics is in manufacturing 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:32.520 ROBOTICSYSM warehouses. They don't need to be humanoid robots, None 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:33.759 of them needs to be. They just need to be 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.120 arms that repeat and action over and over again and. 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:36.880 Do it so well. 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.320 I value in the exactly do the things that we 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.279 don't want to do? These things you know, we've I 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.600 think we are collectively learning that the humanoid robots don't 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:49.359 quite make sense other than to impress people to stalk 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:54.360 in AWE created movies, remind people about the terminator exactly, 0:45:55.440 --> 0:46:00.840 and the actual helpful robot arms in those like manufacturing 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:03.640 spaces are not as sexy and not as appealing visually. 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.759 So what else is that far anyway for something might 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.080 be right? Sure, but then like what is the next 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.360 space they saw? They looked to Eyebo, they looked to 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.040 the cute ones. They realized people want cute. I mean, 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:15.960 I think they looked at Pepper as well. There is 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.840 I think function and use for some of them in 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.080 specific spaces once again, which is I think in the 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:25.640 hospice care space, there's room for like telepresence robots, there's 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.920 for like sort of some sort of healthcare like, uh, robots. 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.640 I go to this place called kupa revolving sushi. 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.279 A conveyor belt place, Yes exactly, but that was her 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:37.720 number one ship all through our twenties. 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:41.320 That was yeah, forever, like whatever her birthday. Yeah, this 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:42.560 is different places. 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.440 Yes, you did not't say that. I just take you 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:46.799 just said her her. 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:51.600 Don't worry about it. Yeah, Scarlett Johansson's voice. 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.800 Do you know them? But my wife loves the you know, 0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.320 like whatever a piece of nigary slowly approaching you and 0:46:59.360 --> 0:46:59.840 you get to be like. 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.480 It's my favorite thing. Kua Revolving Sushi has a robot 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.680 that brings you your drinks when you request for it, right, 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.680 Like all the servers have to do is place your 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:11.399 drink on the tier. 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.520 And then I was in career at the beginning of 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.120 last year there was a dishwash dishbot but it worked 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.080 like and it seemed to actually work these like robotics 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.520 is here, but like many things, I guess it's not 0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:25.160 that exciting. 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.120 Yeah, this comes back to something that we were talking 0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.480 about yesterday, like if the actual applications for a lot 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:32.759 of these robots are like, like you said, it's like 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.200 either elder care or accessibility and stuff like that. That 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.680 seems like it's the case for a lot of this stuff. 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.440 A lot of the sort of like augmented reality is 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:42.799 if that's the term for it, I don't know if 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:43.520 it's a R or whatever. 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:45.400 Not the thing like the brain implant, what do you 0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:45.719 call it? 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:50.200 You're a link Novai, Yeah, yeah, but like one that 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.080 was made up, so like just your control of. 0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:57.280 It's like all of that seems to be about helping 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.200 people who have these and yet like it's feel like 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.320 with this robot, like you make it cute because and 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.279 you show when you're like demoing it for people, you 0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:05.839 don't want people to think about being sick. 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.400 I guess that's not good for advertising. 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:09.800 Yeah, but you show them instead this thing that like 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.080 I'm not sure that people really want to be like 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.960 followed around their house, Like I'll turn my own stove on, honestly, 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:16.839 Like I don't want anyone else to be Yeah yeah, 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:19.800 yeah right. But it's so there's something funny about the 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.360 idea of like inventing this thing that actually is useful. 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.640 Actually it could add value to people's lives, but you. 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:25.520 Can't sell it. 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.680 Yeah, in a way, here's the thing actually reflects its utility. 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.399 I Again, another thing I've ranted about for a couple 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.480 of years now is how much we're failing people in 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:35.960 terms of elder care, long term care for people in 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.880 late late stages of life. And the reason we do 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.520 that as a society is because I think companies and 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.399 corporations don't see value in providing this sort of care 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.799 or more products in this space, right, And so that's 0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:49.239 why they don't want to tell you that this is 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.239 better suited for like older care caregiver situations. Even though 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:53.680 there are companies that will come out and say that, 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.600 bigger companies won't want to do it because like a 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:59.439 PR I'm thinking this is a PR conversation, I don't 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:01.400 know that they want to say that we're investing in 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.359 this thing that serves a very niche audience that might 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:04.439 die in a few years. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.440 And there is a reason then that absolutely is it 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:07.719 because you don't get a growth. 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.760 Market exactly, the growth growth mindset that sucks exactly. 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.160 And you also don't get growth out of things with 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:17.319 elderly people other than being a private, privatey equity firm 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:18.359 that buys old people. 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:20.600 Yes, I mean this is This is one thing I 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:23.160 think of with the care economy, which is like the 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:29.120 growth of it has been decided largely by the consequences 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.640 of private equity firms laying waste. 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:36.400 To infrastructure seeing they can build into it, and then the. 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:41.360 The evaporation of resources for facilities leading to these firms, 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.879 these on demand firms, coming in and applying the uber 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:49.000 model to them and saying, look like we will create 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.960 a marketplace where the nurses will bid each other to 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.960 the lowest possible price. So it's come in without training. 0:49:56.800 --> 0:49:58.879 I mean training in the sense not like because they're 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.440 not employees, they're not hold where things are, who to 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.080 take care of, how to how to operate like that. 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.800 Like itinerant nurse like traveling nurse economy and suck and that. 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:10.680 And this makes me think of what we see sometimes 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:14.040 with some of this technology that's being offered, and that 0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.439 you know, some of the things that we've seen would 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.760 be very good and very useful and should be durable, 0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.600 sustainable businesses just offering care to help people are not 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.440 able body to help people who are incognitive decline, who 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:32.040 to help people who need care? And yet when we 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.080 would talk with some of them, you could see like 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.239 that's actually that's not always the first way they think 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:39.960 or talk about it. They're also talking about like, oh, 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.719 like this firm would love this application that we have, 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.040 and it's like okay, but like that's not real. The 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.160 thing that is real is this care. This this way 0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:50.359 you would have to be able to help people who 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.360 need care. But you're you're kind of using it. Some 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:55.600 of these firms feel like they're using it to bootstrap 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:56.680 into the growth. 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:58.520 You know, like you have to like bang. 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.879 It's such a bizarre thing for me too, especially when 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.680 you consider like what amazing I mean for the ones 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:05.800 that actually exist, Like not everything that we saw, you know, 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:09.000 exists in any sort of real stage yet, but like 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.279 the idea that you have to like bang on the 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:18.279 sort of fantastical growth possibilities instead of the actual service. Yeah, 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:21.120 that you have created a thing that can you know, 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:24.960 provide this very service with this remarkable bit of technology 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:25.239 you did. 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.759 There's no further ways to monetize the old person. I'm 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.320 not I like that it's funny whatever, Well not for 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.360 me because I'm like the joker, because I love for 0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:37.080 the sad things. But it's this sense of well, there's 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.560 not why am I investing in these people? Like, why 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.360 would I invest in the old person? They're going to 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:42.560 die soon anyway, and we need. 0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:43.320 To get a sciety. 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:44.600 Yeah, we live in a society. 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.560 That's the part that's kind of weird about it, because 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:48.400 it's not wrong to say that this is like a 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:52.040 niche marketplace, correct, and yet it's like it's also not. 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:55.400 It is also like one of the least niche experiences 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.680 possible is getting old and die, Like that's a pretty 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.279 universal human I mean, for those of us that are 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:02.239 lucky to make it that far. 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:04.560 Like, yeah, it's weird. I mean, I guess this is 0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:05.799 like sort of a going to. 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.520 Be a recurring theme anywhere that you go to, like 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:09.920 a trade show where people are trying to make a 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:11.400 billion dollars hut end. 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:13.799 I was very encouraged to see this year. There has 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.319 been quite a lot more attention in this space. Right 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:18.360 we saw the ARP had a I mean, I so 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.040 I stopped by the h Tech pavilion on the show. 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:22.520 But we really haven't heard about this. 0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.680 Yeah, so I went there and the h Tech Pavilion, 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.719 presented by ARP, I guess is just a space in 0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:31.160 the show floor. They have so many of these like 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.799 dedicated spaces carved out. They had a speech that where 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:37.440 they presented four special products I believe, well, the one 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:39.520 I saw and I tried on were this pair of 0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.879 pants by Arcterix and a company called Skip that they've 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:48.120 worked with. This prep pants is like like a robotic 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.759 powered pants situation where you put them on and they 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.600 have sort of almost like an exoskeleton to help you 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:58.200 move and climb better. And we're at the point with 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:03.120 products that are designed for improving life for people with 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:05.600 mobility issues where it's not you don't have to be 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.640 like it's not binary right, you don't have to be 0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.480 a full on paraplegic, and it's not crutches and wheelchairs. 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.880 This is for people who have some pain, struggle with 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:14.880 pain pain. 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:18.800 And often these people are maybe thinking of someone in 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.600 my family refused to get any fucking help because they like. 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.680 I'm not nothing's wrong with me. 0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.080 I'm just thinking constant pain and have mobility. 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.080 Yes, but these things sound kind of magical for me. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:30.719 These are these are going to be great, But these 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:32.959 are for because they're Arctiator an outdoor like a Parel 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.280 brand and that sort of thing. They're designed for like hiking. 0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:37.239 And that's so it's more like if you're at a 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:40.080 stage in life where you're so burdened by some like 0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.280 like pain or body pain, that like going outside seems 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.520 like such a pipe dream anymore, like climbing a mountain, 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:47.480 level a hill, right, Like you can walk around, you 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:51.200 can't really be active exactly, like challenges like scaling, like 0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:53.680 elevation and whatnot. This this is what this pair of 0:53:53.760 --> 0:53:54.480 pants is designed to. 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.960 Were they powered by anything or were they just there's. 0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.319 A battery pack in the back of the pants. 0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.200 And in the waste they do Did they support the 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:02.040 knees or the legs? 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.319 Yeah? So the one I tried by Arcterics had three 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.080 like braces, one around the ankle, one around the knee, 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.240 and one around like the thigh, and then the robot 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:13.000 arm which just kind of propel you in those moved 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.680 around right, and it's design my demo, we had to 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:18.320 go to like stairs because that's where you would demonstrate 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:20.759 the effectiveness more. Yeah, it's supposed to push you up. 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:22.719 I tried to do speed squads right in those. I 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:25.640 don't I'm not the target market clearly, but I was like, yeah, 0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.120 I was like trying to see speed squads, and I 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.120 think when I tried them they weren't on. But they're 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.080 supposed to help you get from like the bent knee 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.960 position to the up position more easily, which is where 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:35.600 I think a lot of people struggle with pain. 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.719 Well, I in the last few in like the last year, 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.719 I've really got into yoga, and I would say a 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:43.279 year ago, i'd have trouble getting on and off the floor, right, 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:45.840 And I'm decent, Like I'm decently able, but like I 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.239 don't have something wrong other than the fact that I 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.920 was deeply inflexible. Being able to do that now is magic. 0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:53.560 But that took a shit ton of effort to get 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:55.959 But also I didn't have any mobility issues that would 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.320 have precluded me from doing yoga. Yeah, so this, do 0:54:58.360 --> 0:54:59.520 you know how expensive this is? 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:00.520 Yea? 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:01.799 How expensive we talk? 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:03.320 I mean, you know the Octor Express. 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.520 I was going to say that they have it doesn't 0:55:05.560 --> 0:55:08.600 have robot arms in it, It's still like expensive. 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:10.560 How much we're talking? 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.560 Yeah, I didn't think so they have no actual info ya, 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.640 but the ballpark figure that I'm hearing is like five thousand, 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:19.680 And I was like, are you going to talk to 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:23.400 insurance providers? To get the subsidized. They were, like, they 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:25.400 want to consider it. I don't think this is a product. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:27.480 The insurance providers have to decide whether to cover it. 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.120 They barely cover medicine exactly. 0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:30.719 There you go, my I don't want to get into it. 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:34.120 But and also I can't imagine you're like anybody's pants, 0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:36.280 Like you're not selling a lot of stuff at MSRP 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:38.400 when it's five thousand dollars exactly. 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.640 To be honest, though, secretly, this is the stuff I'm 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.840 most excited about because like the idea of just putting 0:55:44.880 --> 0:55:48.280 on a suit that makes you able bodied for anyone 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:51.640 is kind of magical. Yeah, Like I don't know, Like 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.799 I was a very heavy kid, grown like three hundred 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:56.319 and twenty five pounds, and that alone like didn't mean 0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.279 I was strong, which is very embarrassing when you're lodge high, 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:02.120 will add. But nevertheless, like even when I got thin, 0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.239 I still felt quite weak and I still had like 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.800 some joint issues even And it's like the idea that 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.040 we can kind of level the playing field other than 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.799 the fact it's five thousand dollars is kind of cool. 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:14.319 You want to hear something. Absolutely after I saw those 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.160 I walked downstairs to the Kickstarter booth, and the Kickstarter 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.200 booth had a company from somewhere in Asia, I think 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.600 Taiwan or China, I can't remember, called Hypershell, and they 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:26.759 make like a non pants version of There's exoskeleton. It 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.239 is between eight hundred to fifteen hundred dollars depending on 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:29.919 the material car. 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:31.400 When you say non pants, how does that? 0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:33.840 Yes? So it's this sort of brace that you strap 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.960 on around your waist to start, and then you strap 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.279 like two things to your knees and they're basically an exoskeleton. 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.359 The reason is not on Engadget Communist. I haven't written 0:56:42.360 --> 0:56:45.239 it out yet. I'm still technically working, I guess, but 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:48.560 chilling and yeah, and so they do the same thing 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:52.040 the Arcto ex pants do, except for in an exoskeleton 0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:54.319 that you strap around your clothes. So cool. 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:54.920 I love. 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:55.239 Yeah. 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:57.000 Actually, i'll show you a video right now. 0:56:57.000 --> 0:56:59.279 I don't know if if you can, when will you 0:56:59.320 --> 0:56:59.960 write up your store? 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.719 Just send me then I will send you the link. 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:03.960 Yeah. 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:06.279 I'm hoping to do it tomorrow and have it up 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:07.440 over the weekend on our website. 0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:09.320 And I just I think that this is what I 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.640 wish CS or was, because if you think about what 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:16.440 makes technology actually magical, it's stuff that makes you stronger 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:18.680 connect with people. Quicker allows you to explore who you 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:20.720 are and who other people are in an honest way. 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.480 And when it gets worse, it's when people interfere. 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.960 With that process or slap AI and everything or slap. 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:28.680 AI and everything. So as we go, as we sadly 0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:31.560 come to the end, we've got four minutes left. Was 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:33.800 there anything you were like, your favorite favorite thing? Was 0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.000 there something you miss Is there anything you really missed 0:57:36.040 --> 0:57:37.720 that you truly liked or despised? 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:40.640 I can't something that made me laugh, but I kind 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:44.000 of liked it sold What was that? So we start 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:47.080 noticing a trend and yes, twenty twenty five, Chris I 0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:48.880 might have talked about it, but Dan Cooper on our 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:51.640 team was the first one to crystallize this idea with 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.120 this term. I mean I crystallied the idea without this 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.240 fancy name that he came up with it. Please sit 0:57:56.400 --> 0:58:02.320 the classic Dan great term the hoc Tour show. I 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:07.400 want to know, there was so much like saliva sensing, 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:12.320 saliva detecting tech boy on that sick on that thing. 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:15.120 I mean, look, when we walked into CEUs Unveiled, which 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:18.280 is the first show on Sunday night. I already knew 0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:21.400 there were two saliva based like devices there. I was 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:25.680 not expecting the most popular booth at CS Unveiled, where 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:27.600 like crowds of people were around them the whole time. 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.760 I couldn't even get into a demo this thing called 0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:35.120 salt spoon. Everyone was licking it. It was like everybody's 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.240 putting things in their mouths and this I don't know. 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:40.920 I got to so I it's a cool idea. They 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:42.439 were not letting people put it in their mouth. 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:44.360 At that point. There was like a video they probably 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.520 ran out. They was giving away disposable ones that failed. 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:49.240 Yeah, there were like a couple of them sitting on 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:50.400 the counter and I like picked it up and I 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:52.200 was like, I don't know, feels good, Like I don't 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:55.120 like a spoon more, yes, but stranger. But then there 0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:58.000 was like a video of a guy eating the robin 0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:58.400 with it. 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.280 Yeah, but you know you had to get like, do 0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:04.640 you like, Yeah, it's the one with the electromagnetic things 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:05.880 to make you taste the saltiness form. 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.400 Yes, exactly, So think about it if you're trying to 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.600 consume like less sodium in your life, but you still 0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:14.400 want to have salty foods. This food supposed that if 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:16.520 you use to spoon, it'll turn everything you put in 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.479 your mouth by tricking your taste buds into something that's 0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:22.280 like thinking that something salty or saltier than it al. 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.000 I learned about this from Jesse Ferrara, where I get 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:28.320 all my scientific information. But this is apparently the same 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:31.160 technology that people use for saltwater pools. That it's basically 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:35.080 a way of like making something salty without like dumping 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:36.400 a bunch of sodium into. 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:40.680 So the idea is you will shy away from things 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.640 that have a certain level of salt because they'll taste 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:44.240 even more sot. 0:59:44.320 --> 0:59:45.880 I can answer this be because I've had a lot 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.160 of emails I want to apologize to the people. We 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:51.240 kind of turn on those up at this. It turns 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:54.160 out there are people who have like real physical problems 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:56.640 with salt. They have to It's not like I should 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:58.840 have less, so it's if I have too much, I 0:59:58.920 --> 1:00:02.520 will be in physical and this is magical for them. 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:05.080 It's like I want to like as the show goes on, 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.520 as we approach the end, anything I really mess up, 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:09.320 I will try and fix. But apparently like this is 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:12.400 a big deal for those people you can like have salt. 1:00:12.600 --> 1:00:14.560 Yeah, it's not just like a diet thing too, Right, 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:17.439 It's like some people have irritation, inflammation or I don't 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:21.160 know if there's a salt allergy in the world, but right, hypertension. 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:23.240 So you want hypertensions a diet based thing that I'm 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.920 considering as an issue. Right, Like for healthy reasons, you 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.840 still want to be able to taste salty foods. It's 1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.280 not about making something taste so salty that you will avoid. 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.760 It is more drinking bland things that will then taste salty. 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:37.000 Because of the use of this makes sense. 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.040 It was like you also get that you can kind 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:41.720 of like dial in the experience like what you want. 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:43.560 I think there's isn't that right that It's like you 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.280 can go from like one to four and how salty. 1:00:45.880 --> 1:00:47.800 I walked the periphery of the booth the whole time 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:51.960 because I couldn't get inside. What was the other saliva 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:55.160 based Yeah, let's find things you could spit on. Yeah, 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:55.640 there were two. 1:01:00.520 --> 1:01:01.280 We call it the thing. 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:06.400 Yeah, I uh here we are giggling about it. 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:07.919 But it is weird. 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:10.040 It is this is there are two devices. One is 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:13.160 called the cordesans and the other is called hormometer. We're 1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:18.520 not fans of the Yeah, her hormometer like hormone meter. 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:22.720 That's just a really funny it's a great portmanteau. I 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:26.080 think hormometer is slightly further along in my opinion of 1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:30.000 the process. Basically, these are at home tests that you 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:31.840 can use your saliva, that you can use on your 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:34.480 saliva and they'll tell you how, much like cortisols in 1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:35.520 your kay. 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.280 So I think the problem is the labeling, because everything 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:41.200 you've described is wonderful exactly. Also, if not be described 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:42.600 as saliva base. 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:45.520 Well that was to me the way it came off, and. 1:01:48.920 --> 1:01:51.160 Saliva based like some. 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.680 Faint their nose tasting notes. 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:54.440 Interesting. 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:58.480 Interesting. I like it because, like I'm really into like, uh, 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:02.040 getting data about yourself, right, But I don't want blood 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:04.480 testing all the time. I don't believe in the photos 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.480 scanning of your face to tell your face age. I 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:10.360 want you to actually use I guess bodily fluids to 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:13.400 know what is up with me. And this seems smart, right, 1:02:13.440 --> 1:02:16.440 Like it's non invasive, it's an easy way, and there 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:19.440 are so many ways that we can avoid going to 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:22.240 the doctor. I guess it's not like going to a 1:02:22.280 --> 1:02:24.120 doctor is a bad thing. It is that like people 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:26.600 want to know more about themselves. People have been strapping 1:02:26.640 --> 1:02:29.600 glucose monitors on themselves just to understand their blood sugar 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.920 levels when they don't have diabetes. Right, So there's so 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:36.840 many reasons people could benefit from analyzing their saliva in 1:02:36.880 --> 1:02:41.040 my opinion. For hormometer, they do both cortisol and progesterone levels. 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:44.560 So what would those be just just for the cortisol. 1:02:44.920 --> 1:02:48.160 Yeah, cortisol is distress hormones, so the levels of cortisol 1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.920 are high or in higher stress. And then progesterone is 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:54.080 something that people can use to track I guess fertility 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:58.480 related things or cycle related or there's So I'm not 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:00.480 velvers enough in the science here to tell you what 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:01.560 else progester wants about. 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:03.360 That makes all of us and sadly we have to 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:05.280 come to the end of this part of the show, 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:07.160 ed where can people find you? 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:11.400 The tech bubble, dot substat, dot com, this machine Kills 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:14.240 and Big black Jack of beIN on Twitter and blue 1:03:14.280 --> 1:03:15.440 Sky Shehlon where. 1:03:15.280 --> 1:03:15.920 Can people find you? 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:18.000 I think I'll still be on the meta apps for 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.440 a bit so Sherlyn Instagram, c h e r O 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:21.920 r n n s t h e r A. 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:27.160 M uh defector dot com, The Distraction Podcast It's Christmas 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:31.360 Town Podcast, and David Jroth dot b s k y 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:32.360 dot Social. 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:34.480 Though I realized many of you PLoP my end, and 1:03:34.600 --> 1:03:36.919 indeed when you hear I'm hurt, you cheer and laugh 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:39.800 and squeal and a wink. Nevertheless, if you don't want 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:41.800 to cause me misery, you'll follow the following ads with 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:59.000 your complete undivided attention. And we're back, and we're just 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:01.240 talking about the fact that we each of us has 1:04:01.360 --> 1:04:04.600 two or three drinks at this point. We're not all right, 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:07.960 it's not to destruction. It's just a little bit is 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.720 a beautiful thing. Okay, Well, we've already had complaints about 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:13.400 the language, so let's just move on from that one. 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:17.120 So well, once again joined by mister Phil Broughton, the 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:22.280 health physicist. Just let's reintegrate you that and reintroduce you 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:22.880 to the show. 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:27.520 Allow me to introduce myself. Okay, So I'm Phil Broddon. 1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:30.760 I'm a health physicist, which is a radiation safety professional. 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:33.920 I'm also a laser safety officer. So I take care 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:38.200 of the full electro magnetic spectrum of radiation. I also 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:41.440 am the weird shit guy and Phil Andrew Bartender. 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:45.600 Phil is here at CEES showing the laser mask that 1:04:45.720 --> 1:04:48.600 he made that people can He's not FDA approving. 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.560 I don't know that product. So you have seen that? No, 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.200 have you seen the laser bra as well? 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:54.680 No? 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:55.280 That's that? 1:04:55.440 --> 1:04:56.280 Really? Is that real? 1:04:56.480 --> 1:04:57.200 That is real? 1:04:57.400 --> 1:04:57.960 What does it do? 1:04:58.120 --> 1:04:59.840 What are you talking about? You haven't been on the floor. 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:02.440 No, this wasn't on the floor. This is just why 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:04.000 the internet exists for sons. 1:05:05.000 --> 1:05:09.120 So Phil is someone I torture. Yes, we've been friends 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:12.200 for fifteen years. Sorry, I also missed something out. Mister 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:13.640 ed on Giso Junior is to. 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:17.280 My right, wonderful Hello, and I'm now he's said, yeah, 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:19.560 so she calling me? 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:20.800 You haven't a laugh? 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:26.320 You have? You're taking a pitch mate, mister. 1:05:27.680 --> 1:05:30.400 Cockles and searching my head? Can I do any accidents? 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:33.480 Try it out? 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:34.160 Bean? 1:05:35.800 --> 1:05:37.720 Oh one time I did have an English breakfast and 1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:39.280 I felt like I was gonna die. 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.560 Yeah, that's just how it feels to be British. 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:46.280 Okay, back to all of your British levels maxed out. 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:50.240 Yeah, the British Saliveeian what. 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:53.720 Let them don't let them win? 1:05:55.160 --> 1:05:59.160 Oh god, oh boy, there's so many directions. But back 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:03.520 to philm So, why does this show frustrate you? So 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:06.000 we've gone over the fire Marshal aspect, but just the 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.120 general milieu of CES does appear to torture you. 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:13.680 So so a lot of what vendors are coming to 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:17.600 CES with are not despite the fact that it says 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:21.240 consumer Electronics show, many of the things are not aimed 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:27.040 for consumers, never meant for consumers, or these are not 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:30.600 products that are actually on the market, not going to 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:34.760 get to the market. And it's terrifying how many people 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:37.400 who have come on the show have been talking to 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:39.840 me separately at the bar have said that they've met 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.920 people at the stalls who asked them, so, what do 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:44.000 you think our products should do? 1:06:45.040 --> 1:06:46.560 No, that's not what you do. 1:06:47.200 --> 1:06:49.200 If you have a product you're going to sell to someone, 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:53.440 you really better know what it does so it can 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:57.080 be sold legally safely, well so. 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:57.920 That it could do it. 1:06:58.600 --> 1:06:59.400 Oh well there's that too. 1:06:59.600 --> 1:07:03.240 Is that part the again asking an ignorant question? Okay, 1:07:03.280 --> 1:07:05.040 you what days in? You need to stop leading in 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.760 with the item' not so I don't know a lot 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:09.520 about c I mean I know something about like what 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:11.680 this one you know, like and how it feels. Maybe 1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:15.080 that seems that does strike me as strange, the idea 1:07:15.120 --> 1:07:17.800 of showing up with something that's like halfway done, like 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:20.160 they give me just like publishing a draft with a 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:21.800 bunch of t ks in it and being like, I'm 1:07:21.840 --> 1:07:24.480 really interested in anybody's feedback on how you think this 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:25.720 story should conclude. 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:28.840 Well, after this, we're going to drive out west to 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:32.960 a little place I like to call Palo Alto, a 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:35.800 whole world that is built on stuff. 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.640 Yeah, the prototype, Well, yeah, it's like pizza. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.920 Alonso just madeen off for a three year deal to 1:07:42.120 --> 1:07:44.480 the Mets, which is news I'm giving to David allowed 1:07:44.520 --> 1:07:47.120 to do that. Yeah, Like it's much like that, like 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.280 what will you do pizza? And that is actually a 1:07:49.320 --> 1:07:51.600 good question for the Mets at this point. But nevertheless, 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:54.040 to feel that one if you want, please please have 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:58.040 them some stuff. Handle the Mets real quick. 1:07:57.920 --> 1:07:58.440 Couldn't hurt. 1:07:58.800 --> 1:07:58.840 No. 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:01.400 The Alonzo thing, I as sentimentally as a Mets fan, 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:04.640 I hope he returns. I think he's declining. The Mets 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:07.320 seem to think he's declining. He if he's making offers 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:11.000 to them, maybe he thinks he's declining, but whatever, he 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:13.880 seems very happy to be on the Mets. And I 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:16.759 think that that is rare enough that I hope he stays. 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:18.280 That's a completely straight faced. 1:08:20.520 --> 1:08:22.240 For listeners who don't know what are the Mets. 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:25.680 The Mets are so they're one of the that's a 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:26.200 great question. 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:29.080 That's such a me thing to say. Thank you. Obviously 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:31.479 you haven't been down to the Eureka level. They are 1:08:31.720 --> 1:08:34.320 as a it's an AI enabled. 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:38.360 The mens, a private equity firm owned by a billionaire 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:42.240 that ostensibly sells baseball related services. They only recently updated 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:45.839 in terms of services to allow for baseball related success 1:08:46.200 --> 1:08:49.599 with the acquisition of a company called Kwan Soto up there. 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:52.360 They're on a subscription model, like a lot of these guys, 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:55.080 you got to keep paying if you want them to move. 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:56.679 We're not going to talk about the Nation League East. 1:08:56.920 --> 1:08:59.479 Yeah, I just realized we have gone fully into the Mets, 1:08:59.520 --> 1:09:01.120 so we need to That was beautiful, man. I am 1:09:01.160 --> 1:09:05.000 so sorry, but Phil putting the fire marshal stuff aside, 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:07.519 what is it with lasers and these people like, what 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:09.719 is it? Why do They love to bring up lasers 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:11.360 so much like, what do you think it is? 1:09:11.960 --> 1:09:18.639 Okay? So this would be several decades of career experience 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:21.960 and just watching people and what they do. There's something 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.799 in the human psyche that gets very excited about whatever 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:28.920 thing there is in the world. What if I put 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.439 a laser on it, right that will make it better? 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:33.880 Or alternatively, this thing that already does the thing it 1:09:33.920 --> 1:09:37.880 normally does, would a laser make it do it better? 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.519 So do they know what a laser is? 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:45.320 Also often not great keep It is a laser light 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:47.879 amplification by a simulated emission of radiation. 1:09:48.720 --> 1:09:49.879 I didn't know it's an acronym. 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:52.960 It is I just like scuba and I didn't realize 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:54.960 it was an acronym until you asked that question. Yea, 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:57.439 I have an IQ of seven. 1:09:58.160 --> 1:10:01.240 But the the more exciting thing and the reason why 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:05.720 I get excited about it and products that happen, is 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:09.120 how we regulate lasers in the United States of America. 1:10:09.800 --> 1:10:12.040 This is your important asterisk that goes in the post 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:16.040 of These rules and regulations only apply in the United 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:18.639 States of America. In your jurisdiction, they may be different. 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:26.320 When lasers became a thing that weren't just stuff nerds 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:31.160 played with in the National Laboratory. The very first market 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:37.000 they hit, the first consumer consumers, very relative product was 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:42.040 for ophthalmological treatments where you're doing the laser cautery z 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:46.040 apping to fix in the eye in the eye, to 1:10:46.640 --> 1:10:49.880 cauterize off new veins growing in the retina, to say, 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:52.200 people who are losing their vision from glaucoma or other 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:58.400 diabotic diabetic retinopathy. Because the first application of lasers that 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:02.880 really hit the consumer market was a medical application. Is 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:06.000 the reason why lasers are regulated by the Food and 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:10.360 Drug Administration's Center for Device and Radiologic Health, which means 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:14.600 any consumer product that incorporates a laser is supposed to 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:17.840 have been vetted and compliant with the Federal Laser Product 1:11:17.880 --> 1:11:23.599 Performance Standard that the FDA promulgates. And they only get 1:11:23.680 --> 1:11:26.200 one chance to catch you is when you release your 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:31.040 product into commerce, and that has a very specific regulatory meeting, 1:11:31.640 --> 1:11:34.120 which is, oh, God, you actually want to. 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:38.040 Know, yes, well, I'm assuming for our purposes here the 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:40.519 stuff that's downstairs. A lot of the places have, as 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:42.800 you've pointed out, like they'll be like a little tagliner 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:44.840 like this has not been shown to the FDA yet. 1:11:44.960 --> 1:11:50.040 Or not approved by the FDA, or is being used 1:11:50.280 --> 1:11:54.400 under basically the Fundsis code of the regulation, when. 1:11:55.640 --> 1:11:57.200 Even if you have a prototype on it, it has 1:11:57.240 --> 1:11:58.360 not been released into commerce. 1:11:58.680 --> 1:11:59.200 Is that correct? 1:11:59.320 --> 1:11:59.599 Correct? 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:05.519 Okay, So commerce's specific meaning is you have a excuse me, 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:10.760 laser product that you have made more than one of, 1:12:13.080 --> 1:12:15.880 and or is being used somewhere other than the place 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:21.160 where it was initially built, and or by someone who 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:24.639 was not the person who originally built it, which means, 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:27.200 if you listen to those three statements, at no point 1:12:27.280 --> 1:12:29.480 does money have to exchange hands. 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:30.880 So they only have to build two. 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:35.160 The moment you hit two, you have made a laser product. 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:38.520 Versus people reading this as commerce meaning it's on Amazon. 1:12:38.320 --> 1:12:39.800 Which is what most people think it means. 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:40.320 Sweet. 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:42.760 That's how the regulation covers it to try to cover 1:12:43.320 --> 1:12:47.000 tricks like people being oh, well, just you're a friend, 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:49.240 I'll make you a second one of these setups, and 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:51.560 I'll ship everything that I just did over to you 1:12:51.720 --> 1:12:55.360 at your other laboratory. You have no idea how the 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:57.920 very specific quirk of I have duct tape sitting right 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:00.360 here on the setup to protect that beam from going 1:13:00.400 --> 1:13:03.760 out that will blind me. Also, it takes so very 1:13:03.920 --> 1:13:06.400 little laser power to actually be blind. 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:08.920 But also that feels like a valuable point to this, 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:12.479 which is just because they've made too doesn't mean they've 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:15.720 made two safe ones. Like if there are little workarounds, 1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:18.639 like when you release something under these regulations you're discussing, 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:21.400 I imagine you probably want to think of a more 1:13:22.479 --> 1:13:25.200 rigorous housing than tape. 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:29.719 Correct. That's when I mentioned the Federal Laser Project Performance 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.960 Standard aka the FLIPS. It specifies the components that your 1:13:34.040 --> 1:13:37.800 laser should have to be a legal laser product that 1:13:37.880 --> 1:13:41.560 could be sold into commerce. Right, They're not just you 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.840 have to be I safe levels of power, which has 1:13:45.000 --> 1:13:47.640 defined as less than one milliwatt per squares centimeter on 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:51.440 the retina. It also has things like you have interlocks 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:54.719 so that if you pop open the housing, it turns 1:13:54.800 --> 1:13:56.679 off or it drops a shutter. 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:58.560 And these are things that people don't classically put in 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:00.200 the first version not. 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:01.960 Classically no good. 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:06.080 Also other things like there's indicator lights, there's switches, there's 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:11.479 key interlocks, all the things that sound like function buttons. Yeah, 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:15.960 things that vanish from the design of products the moment 1:14:16.040 --> 1:14:19.400 you catch Apple disease and decide that every single product 1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:22.920 should be a smooth tablet of silicon that you wave 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:26.080 your hands at and they do magic rather than what 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:27.439 is my product doing. 1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:29.679 My god slash Steve jobs intended. 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.559 So how does this manifest into problems at cees. 1:14:35.160 --> 1:14:38.679 Well, first you have handed products, often to sales people 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:41.160 on the floor to go set up and talk about 1:14:41.200 --> 1:14:41.800 and try to make. 1:14:41.720 --> 1:14:44.880 A say well, most certainly not the engineers who built it. 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:47.000 All laser safety offices correct. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:50.679 The other thing is bringing a laser onto the floor, 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:52.760 and this take us back to the fire marshal chat. 1:14:53.960 --> 1:14:56.280 That constitutes one of the hazards you actually have to 1:14:56.439 --> 1:14:59.040 let the CTA know about so they can tell the 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:02.599 fire marshals because that changes the occupancy of the room. Also, 1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:07.719 they have a safety personnel they call to come evaluate setups. 1:15:08.040 --> 1:15:09.920 So if you say you're bringing a laser to the floor, 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:14.200 a laser safety officer will come. Oh, you should put 1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:18.160 an enclosure around that product you bought brought because you 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:21.160 don't actually have one. Now this defeats the purpose of 1:15:21.400 --> 1:15:26.360 your trying to show your product. Now they can't see 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:29.160 it through the enclosure that protects people from it. That 1:15:29.200 --> 1:15:30.760 should indicate that maybe your product. 1:15:30.560 --> 1:15:31.000 Is not great. 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:33.879 Yeah, but I want to see the product. 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:36.439 You won't see at all. 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:40.080 That's disturbing. And that's where that's the hand of a 1:15:40.200 --> 1:15:42.000 big brother in a lot of ways, trying to keep 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.240 you from being blinded by a laser. 1:15:44.479 --> 1:15:45.040 Big vision. 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:46.559 You're a hotel. 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:48.120 Does it move fast, blind quick? 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:49.960 Yes, that's so. 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:52.880 But I just want to actually, here's a really good 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.360 thing for the listeners. What are the consequences of not 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:57.880 following these things. What do these products do to you 1:15:58.000 --> 1:16:01.800 as a person in the event these regulations and they'll followed. 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:05.919 Blinding fires? 1:16:06.280 --> 1:16:07.240 And is that bad? 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:08.599 Yeah? 1:16:09.000 --> 1:16:09.759 A fair question. 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.000 It is a good question. I'm glad that we have 1:16:12.080 --> 1:16:13.880 a balanced group hair. 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:18.160 So just a quick rundown. If you go look at 1:16:18.240 --> 1:16:21.000 your product that has a laser in it, odds on 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:23.559 favor you have one, it's probably a printer in your home. 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:25.439 If you go look on it, there will be a 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.720 little yellow sticker on the box. That's box that says 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:29.320 Class one laser device. 1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:29.800 Right. 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:35.880 That means it is safe for use under any viewing conditions. 1:16:36.320 --> 1:16:38.519 You have no access to a hazardous laser. 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:40.720 You don't need eye protection or anything like that. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:43.880 You do not because the housing that's in there will 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:47.759 protect you. Mind you, most laser printers are actually Class 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:50.599 four lasers, which are absolutely blinding and capable of setting 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:53.519 fires if you took all of the housing that makes 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:56.560 the printer off of it. Okay, so there is a 1:16:56.840 --> 1:16:59.559 much more powerful laser that is dangerous to you hiding 1:16:59.600 --> 1:17:02.880 inside it it. One of the other things that happens 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:07.080 at CES and other shows like Photonics West, where I 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:10.160 will be in a couple of weeks is people try 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:13.680 to get around some of the consumer protection standards by 1:17:13.800 --> 1:17:17.760 rather than selling you a finished product, they sell you 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:24.240 parts as original equipment manufacturers. If you go buy OEM parts, 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:28.000 which you are free to do because America, everyone salute. 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.920 Is saluting. I'm saluting right. Thank you, Thank you everyone, 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:31.599 Thank you everyone. 1:17:34.960 --> 1:17:39.280 If you go buy a laser OEM laser product and 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:43.360 integrate it into your system because you thought this this 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:46.799 stuff is great. All it needs is a laser. 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:47.280 Yeah. 1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:49.960 The moment you add a laser to it, you just 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:55.160 turned the thing you made into a laser product. A 1:17:55.320 --> 1:17:59.719 finished one is subject to all of those rules like enclosures, 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:05.680 light housings, interlocks. You just became a laser manufacturer and 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:08.599 you didn't want to be and at that point supporting 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:09.800 entrepreneurs with that. 1:18:10.080 --> 1:18:14.639 But also I agree with Edward's question, it doesn't feel weird. 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.439 This is like the it's like a three D printery 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:20.760 type scenario where there's like it seems like the three 1:18:20.840 --> 1:18:23.559 D printers, but like the distance between reach and grasp 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:25.880 here is like actually a matter of life and death. 1:18:25.960 --> 1:18:28.920 Like the idea that like I could, by doing a 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:31.360 few different things that more or less involve following instructions, 1:18:31.400 --> 1:18:35.120 become a laser manufacturer, Like I don't even brush my 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:37.639 teeth before eleven in the morning a lot of the days, 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:38.479 like I shouldn't be. 1:18:38.560 --> 1:18:40.680 Trusted with being able to do stuff like that now. 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:43.400 And that's that's actually was a very good point, which 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:45.760 is what feel is describing is how easy it is 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:47.240 to do this insane shit. 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:51.960 Very and to bring it back to the FDA, their 1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:57.080 control point is releasing a product into commerce, after which 1:18:57.800 --> 1:19:00.439 the FDA doesn't really have control of it anymore because 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:04.240 it's now in the only other thing that a laser 1:19:04.360 --> 1:19:06.880 manufacturer is required to do, as far as the FDA 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:11.760 is concerned, is maintain a log of injuries associated with 1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:12.760 their product. 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:14.839 And recall to do that with the podcast. 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:20.000 Yeah, several listeners are to my heart were recalling bits 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:24.160 recalling bit's our entire systems. 1:19:24.200 --> 1:19:27.439 WE and we after close examination, we've realized that bit 1:19:27.600 --> 1:19:33.120 number seventy six seeding about the woo problematic. 1:19:32.640 --> 1:19:34.719 Could cause emotion injury to listeners. 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:39.640 So film on the floor over the years. What are 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:42.679 the manifestations specifically of this thing? What are the things 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:45.320 that you have seen and heard of that you can 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:48.360 terrorize my good friends mister Roth and mister Anguso with. 1:19:49.000 --> 1:19:53.559 So let's go back to the laser bra Okay please, 1:19:54.600 --> 1:19:58.720 this was actually a club item where the idea was 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:02.840 you could be your own laser light show. Not just 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:06.920 you put out the laser emitting product to go with 1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:09.439 the music, but it will actually react to your dancing 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:13.439 and will change the out the brightness changed the color 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:16.800 they dances. Though, if it's an E because lasers make 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:20.160 everything better. Also, LED also can stand for laser. 1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:23.639 They don't sense things, they do things. 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:25.600 They can also emit right, But. 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:29.519 Are you saying that they use lasers to emit light? 1:20:30.479 --> 1:20:33.439 Yes, on the fucking brock, dozens of them. 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:34.519 We have lights. 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:38.080 No, but they could be lasers to shine in very 1:20:38.200 --> 1:20:39.760 visible beams across the entire world. 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:42.240 Okay, I'm not the lazy set lazy Jesus. 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:44.240 Does slip of the tongue happens constantly. 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:46.280 Laser safety expert here, But I think the idea of 1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:49.960 shooting a bunch of lasers out of one's breasts where 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:54.840 people might be looking it's fun, it may be, but 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:57.200 it also might fun and flirty, a great look for 1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:02.559 the season thirty flirty and thriving. That feels dangerous. 1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:05.799 You have a lot of very pain looks on your faces. 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:07.880 At the very end, I feel no pain like the 1:21:08.040 --> 1:21:11.640 sohon it seems whether it would be worth it. 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:12.160 You. 1:21:14.439 --> 1:21:17.200 Literally risking at all risk risking. 1:21:17.840 --> 1:21:18.360 To look at. 1:21:21.200 --> 1:21:21.439 Party? 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:22.000 Could I go to? 1:21:22.120 --> 1:21:23.599 It'd be like that was fine? 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:25.640 Yeah, I go bind it. I pretty much got what 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:28.000 it's like desperate to Actually. 1:21:28.040 --> 1:21:30.280 There's also totally been the laser butt plug that showed 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:34.280 up at but same thing dropping traun much. 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:37.879 Like thefacturers actually. 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:42.080 Effectively, but the one that was most relevant that actually 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:45.200 did show up at ce S, and it has shown 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:48.479 up dozens of times on hacker News and other interesting 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:51.800 maker websites. Someone who had made a laser based bong. 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:57.000 Now this is a problem because again you've taken a 1:21:57.080 --> 1:22:00.759 concept of a totally workable product that already exists. Bongs. 1:22:01.040 --> 1:22:03.880 We have known how these work for very long. 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:05.720 And we have made them so that people who may 1:22:05.760 --> 1:22:07.240 be under the influence can offer. 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:10.400 Even offer to maybe not safely with the torch, but 1:22:10.560 --> 1:22:13.880 you know so that certain kind of mind looks at 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:15.840 and goes, man, I can make that so much better 1:22:15.880 --> 1:22:20.280 with a laser. And okay, the problem is lasers are 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:27.240 not necessarily hot burning enough to actually properly combust your 1:22:27.280 --> 1:22:34.720 weed to then inhale. Incomplete combustion is a problem because okay, now, 1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:37.640 what did I break down on my plant material too? Oh, 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:41.960 it's every organic molecule you possibly could break it down to, 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:47.400 some of which are carcinogens. You would, yeah, everything, No, so. 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:51.439 Your reefer becomes something even more dangerous. But you don't 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.280 even really get the enjoyment. 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:56.760 That I am genuinely asking, what is the consequences of 1:22:56.920 --> 1:23:00.640 the castinogens? No dumb question. You just said the word carsonogen, 1:23:01.680 --> 1:23:03.080 But explain please. 1:23:03.280 --> 1:23:05.800 Cancer causing agents thanks, some of which them are just 1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:08.720 straight up toxic, not just carcinogen. 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:10.920 Do you not get high at least you might. 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:11.680 So. 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:13.640 Just to be clear, though, when you break away all 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:14.240 this stuff, but. 1:23:14.280 --> 1:23:18.400 You're also part of the show, you are you're also 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:19.800 effectively wasting weed. 1:23:20.040 --> 1:23:23.960 You're not completely Okay, now I'm taking this very seriously, 1:23:24.720 --> 1:23:28.360 not that I ever have it. But the specific thing 1:23:28.360 --> 1:23:30.160 I'm saying here though, is so the laser is not 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:31.880 even efficient as a heating It's not. 1:23:32.120 --> 1:23:34.160 A good answer for it. It's just cool I use 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:34.599 the laser. 1:23:34.800 --> 1:23:37.519 Do you not regularly burn castinogens? When you do? Like 1:23:38.240 --> 1:23:41.200 weed that you smoke and bongb for example, you. 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:45.559 Get often get full combustion. The goal is to get. 1:23:45.439 --> 1:23:47.680 Full, just to get the th Does that get the 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:48.720 costagens out? 1:23:50.080 --> 1:23:51.559 Don't make them in the first place. 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:53.800 Okay, So the idea of using a laser in this 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.160 case creates new problems that makes weed less healthy. 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:59.479 Again, It's time for another brand new acronym for you, 1:24:00.280 --> 1:24:06.080 jacks Laser generated airborne contaminants, which is something we regulate under. 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:08.599 Why do lasers create those? 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:14.400 So anytime you have a laser interacting with material, they 1:24:14.520 --> 1:24:17.640 start burning things off of it. Sorry, if it has 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:21.000 enough power to start burning things off it, it will 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:25.320 make fumes, It will do micromachining of surfaces, and you 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:30.680 start getting nanoscale particulates, which are very exciting, very they 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.600 sounds cool, but no, so normally you put on a 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:37.439 respirator to protect yourself from particulars when you're doing woodwork 1:24:37.479 --> 1:24:41.479 and savage, which you already mentioned the laser cutters and 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:46.519 then burners. When you use those on your wood, rather 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:49.000 than just making simple smoke or sawdust, you were making 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:53.720 nanoscale particulars that go right through your respirator. And rather 1:24:53.800 --> 1:24:57.080 than getting stuck in your sinuses with all your mucus there, 1:24:57.240 --> 1:25:00.240 some may to your lungs, some make get stopp there. 1:25:00.600 --> 1:25:06.240 Suddenly the target organ for smoke is your liver rather 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:07.120 than your lungs. 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:10.120 Christ and see this is the thing, this is I'm 1:25:10.160 --> 1:25:12.040 so happy you put this down. It has been like 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:14.360 eight years of doing this, we've never actually got you 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:16.840 to run down where your actual expertise lies here. And 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:19.439 it's wonderful to do. No, I fucking love it. It's wonderful. 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:22.720 The show. It's been amazing. But the thing is, it's 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:25.519 like a classic CS style problem where it's like, ah, 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:28.280 have we got the solution to something, but you have 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.160 so many more problems yeah, we we may have created 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.560 some more problems, but did we create a solution? I 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:34.680 don't know. Do you think we did? 1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:36.160 Did you come up? 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.600 Did we? Can you tell us? If we what do 1:25:38.680 --> 1:25:40.519 you think? Can you buy this and then give us 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:40.920 an idea? 1:25:41.000 --> 1:25:41.120 Right? 1:25:41.160 --> 1:25:43.360 That's the bit that I kept, ye because a lot 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:45.519 of it is like the especially with you know, like 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:48.280 the idea of a laser bomb, like this is it's 1:25:48.360 --> 1:25:51.519 a worse way to address a problem that has been 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:53.480 pretty comprehensively. 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:54.600 Solved, but it's so. 1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.200 Absolutely buy it. Yeah, that's somebody's like, well, this is 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:01.120 like maybe this is cool enough that we could sell it, 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:06.000 even if it's delivering like just of not even twenty 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:08.080 five percent of the experience, Like you're getting all the 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:09.760 carcinogens and the eggs. 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:13.120 I don't know what it feels like when I was 1:26:13.240 --> 1:26:15.200 in high school and we were out of weed and 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:17.599 our plug was out of town, and so we'd scrape 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:22.480 our bulls to get to smoke out of some PVC pipe. 1:26:22.280 --> 1:26:25.639 You know, like, Okay, I was maxing out the dirt bag. 1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:28.599 I was going to say, you were in good shape 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:30.160 there right up until you said PVC. 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:34.560 I mean, yeah, I'm trying I'm trying to maximize the unhealthy, horrible, 1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:39.080 uh damaging carcinogenic And. 1:26:39.120 --> 1:26:40.879 There you go, you know, British culture. 1:26:42.520 --> 1:26:45.240 Just so to correct you though, David, it's not you 1:26:45.400 --> 1:26:48.120 get all of the caryscinogens that were there, it's you 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:50.400 made some that weren't there in the first place. 1:26:50.439 --> 1:26:53.679 Yes, my bad problem for your solution. 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:55.800 This is like the thing we're like, I don't I 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:57.960 guess this is like not a novel observation, but they 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:04.439 like the waves, which like a commercial consideration, just the 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:07.200 most basic commercial consideration, like can I sell this? Can 1:27:07.240 --> 1:27:09.600 I make this thing and bring it to market? That 1:27:09.800 --> 1:27:12.560 is the highest hurdle for any of these podcasts. The 1:27:12.760 --> 1:27:15.280 technological stuff, the magic, the shit that you need like 1:27:15.840 --> 1:27:19.080 advanced degrees to be able to do doesn't often seem 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:20.840 to be a problem. The bigger problem is trying to 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:23.120 find some way to either invest in it or to 1:27:23.160 --> 1:27:25.439 find a way to sell it. And that's how you 1:27:25.640 --> 1:27:27.280 That's like when these things get bad and. 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:30.120 Then the film destroying ones, the way they fail both yes, 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:32.439 where they just like, well, do we have a product 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:35.679 that people want? No? Do we have a product that works? 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:36.480 Absolutely? 1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:39.560 However, we do have a name we have science, and 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:42.400 we technically do have science. That's one thing you'll wokeness 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:45.280 can take away film. They do have science, get them. 1:27:45.760 --> 1:27:49.519 And now the problem is do they understand the science? 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:52.680 And that's the big one. And this is the thing 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:53.120 I think. 1:27:53.640 --> 1:27:58.240 Rather they understand their specific incredibly narrow niche and have 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:01.120 never picked their head up. Who look and acknowledge there 1:28:01.160 --> 1:28:02.519 are other humans around them? 1:28:03.280 --> 1:28:05.160 Why would they do that unless they can do Some 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:09.400 of them are customers, Okay, consumer, Oh sorry, you were 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:13.200 not there to be happy, you're there to consume. And 1:28:14.400 --> 1:28:17.679 this is CS baby, It's just a series of people 1:28:17.760 --> 1:28:19.760 from the top of the people who actually release things, 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.040 all the way down to the people releasing the laser bump. 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:30.639 The other thing for CS is sorry they move in fads. Well, 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:32.599 I said, there's something in the human spirit that says 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:37.200 you just got to attach lasers to things. Not according 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:39.400 to the people have gone to the floor. Not this year. 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:42.640 People were not excited to stable lasers onto stuff, but 1:28:42.800 --> 1:28:45.519 in past years absolutely it's what they took. And that's 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.640 that first time we visited see it well together to 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:51.120 see us and twenty fifteen I actually did go to 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:51.519 the floor. 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:55.280 Twenty eleven first time we went together year was that 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:58.240 first time we went to the No, I wasn't with 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:03.360 you nicely where we met in the Californian right, But I. 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:06.479 Didn't get to make dj wukid you No, you left me. 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:07.559 It's one of my cool friends. 1:29:07.920 --> 1:29:08.240 I wid. 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:09.960 I mean a guyiled like a year ago. 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:15.000 But the the first time we were here together and 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:17.640 I went to the floor. In twenty fifteen, there was 1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:21.760 a whole bunch of post disaster Fukushima tech where people 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:25.080 were developing so many new apps for your phone for 1:29:25.400 --> 1:29:28.320 integration into the radiation monitoring networks. There was no radiation 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:32.840 monitoring network right into the Well we're gonna have some 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:35.960 some detectors that you can log into. Really, would you 1:29:36.000 --> 1:29:37.559 like to buy some detectors, by the way. 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:40.320 To add to the inevitable future for the full network 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.680 that you want, of course will exist, or a detector you. 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:46.360 Can plug into your phone. No, your phone doesn't generate 1:29:46.479 --> 1:29:49.479 enough voltage to actually run that detector to do it. 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.360 There was a whole lot of radiation related I am 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:57.519 terrified of a Fukushima in my backyard. Across the entire Pacific. 1:29:58.080 --> 1:30:01.840 Tech that got rolled out which vanished the following year, 1:30:02.479 --> 1:30:03.519 and there's cycles. 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:05.280 We were talking about this this morning too, and I 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:07.040 think the thing that was kind of interesting about what 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:09.800 you said about that too was that and this again. 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:13.040 You know, I kept sort of having this feeling down 1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:16.280 there you were describing as basically, you know, people wanted 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:20.240 this spectrometer or whatever the term is, got it? 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:20.800 Is it good? 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:25.280 I saw Craig Magine's Chernobyl mini series and I took 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:27.880 copious notes during it, so I know a lot. 1:30:28.080 --> 1:30:28.519 I love that. 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:31.839 I thought it was good actually, but if people expected 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:33.880 me to hate it, I had like a T shirt 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:36.040 on that seemed to the way. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:37.840 Yeah, Chernobyl day baby right here. 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:39.960 Really April twenty fifth, nine eighty six. I think the 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:41.439 time zones work out with Russia. 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.559 Two disasters the same, We're alive for the last Mets 1:30:43.560 --> 1:30:44.200 World Series one. 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:44.759 That's beautiful. 1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:45.719 I want to three disasters. 1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:49.120 Collapse of multipleties anyway, But what you were saying about 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:51.800 this is that like all of these things were you know, 1:30:51.920 --> 1:30:54.080 not just flawed in the ways that that you described, 1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:56.080 but they were like successful products in so far as 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:58.200 they would generate a number with a decimal point in 1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:00.599 it that you could then look at and be like, oh, 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:03.880 that seems high or that seems low and fine as 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:06.439 we but as in the mini series. 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:07.840 But I think just in general, like this was the 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:08.519 point that you made. 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:13.120 Is generating a number for somebody you know, by way 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:14.760 of an app or by way of you know, some 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:17.560 sort of device that you know it's chargeable via USBC 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:20.240 or something, is not the same thing as informing them 1:31:20.280 --> 1:31:23.280 of anything. It's just producing a number. It like it's 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:23.799 an outcome. 1:31:23.880 --> 1:31:25.080 But that's that it was. 1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:28.200 I hope every time someone comes to I have this 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:32.240 new detector, is this good fill? Or is this worth 1:31:32.280 --> 1:31:34.800 the money? I? Okay, you have to know how. You 1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:37.479 have to ask the questions. What are you trying to detect? 1:31:38.200 --> 1:31:42.000 Does the detector actually detect that? Do you know how 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:45.839 to use it? And a lot of the consumer products 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:50.839 in spaces like this related to environmental health and safety 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:55.639 emergency response no heal. Most people buying stuff I Amazon 1:31:55.760 --> 1:31:57.960 have no idea how to fucking use it, much less 1:31:58.200 --> 1:32:03.599 what it actually or how it works. And that's why 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:04.559 I get angry constantly. 1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:07.400 As we wrap up more things to upset, you'll go 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.559 more tomorrow, I think. So you can just buy illegal 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:13.479 shit on Amazon just to wrap us. 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:18.640 Up as I as I regularly send you, it is 1:32:18.840 --> 1:32:22.960 the largest gray or black market in America. There was 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:25.200 there was a really sad time. The other show I 1:32:25.320 --> 1:32:26.480 come to Las Vegas. 1:32:26.280 --> 1:32:30.200 To go to is Defcon and COVID Central. 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:33.639 I describe coming to CEES as a chance to see 1:32:33.720 --> 1:32:35.680 the things I'm going to have to contend with when 1:32:36.680 --> 1:32:41.920 cheap professors buy stuff and bring it to me. Going 1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:45.040 to def Con I describe as a vacation to other 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:51.000 people's problems, because INFOSEC problems are analogous to radiation and 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.599 laser safety ones, but not actually mine to need to fix, 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:57.960 but the stuff I can learn. One time I was there, 1:32:58.120 --> 1:33:02.439 I caught three senior Amazon on engineers at a bar 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:05.960 and I was aimed at them by a friend who said, 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:10.640 those are the Amazon people. Talk to them, And I 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:14.760 went over and at angry cocktail point, laid down, you 1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:18.240 are the largest black market, an illegal importer of dangerous 1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:23.320 laser products and other things in the world, specifically America. 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:25.439 Really like yes you on our card or something. 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:28.439 To which to their credit, thank you. To their credit, 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:31.560 they looked ashamed at their shoes and said to me, 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:34.559 I could fix this with a code push at midnight 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:41.840 if anyone with the very heavily implied a certain bald 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:57.200 owner cared professor very nasty, but worse, having shared the 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:00.479 story with contacts at the FDA. The FDA they haven't 1:34:00.520 --> 1:34:05.719 quite surrendered to Amazon, but they do not have the staff, 1:34:06.120 --> 1:34:08.160 they don't have the bandwidth, they don't have the funding 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.479 to try to deal with a problem like Amazon, and 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:15.679 instead are doing their best to work with Amazon, which 1:34:15.760 --> 1:34:18.160 is something you've written about and talked about. It's just 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:19.720 regulatory capture. 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:24.400 Would happen if we gave gun. 1:34:25.360 --> 1:34:27.880 I was gonna I I was gonna say. 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:31.360 Anything that it is about to say. 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:33.120 Is not reflective. 1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:36.599 It's it's the It's ed not the other d yet yet, 1:34:36.760 --> 1:34:37.840 Edward Gaso, Genie. 1:34:37.880 --> 1:34:39.680 Some of you who cannot tell the difference between our 1:34:39.760 --> 1:34:41.120 voices because we sound. 1:34:41.040 --> 1:34:41.960 So fucking. 1:34:43.640 --> 1:34:44.720 I'm seeing double. 1:34:49.120 --> 1:34:49.320 Yes. 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:54.040 In a way, we are the same, you know, Britain, Kenya, 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:54.760 what's you know? 1:34:55.000 --> 1:34:57.840 We are connected, but it is also wonderful and I'm 1:34:57.880 --> 1:35:01.040 so happy. Anyway, please stop saying the thing that is 1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:02.360 legally actionable, if you. 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:06.800 Can legally actionable, because I'm asking, I'm actually asking a 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:13.000 really good What I'm asking is what would things look 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:17.920 like if regulatory agencies actually had the ability to enforce 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:21.040 and not just to like litigate, you know, like what 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:23.920 you know, I think one example just being, you know, 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:26.439 if they were able to enforce in the way that 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:29.640 ANYDA for a DA might when it comes to illegal 1:35:30.280 --> 1:35:34.960 harmful goods and services proliferating in an open air black 1:35:35.040 --> 1:35:35.600 market like this. 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:37.560 So that was a funny question you asked me the 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:42.000 other other day of do I think any government agencies 1:35:42.040 --> 1:35:44.599 are working well? And I had to take a long, 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:51.120 sad pause and go the problem is, I know how 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:54.120 they're supposed to work. I also know how they are working. 1:35:57.320 --> 1:35:59.960 The DA and atf don't work nearly as well. 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:02.960 We would like them too, but I feel like they're 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:06.040 much more robustly funded. There's nothing else than like the 1:36:06.280 --> 1:36:09.400 Federal Trade Commission is like six guys in an office 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:10.400 with a week in the ceiling. 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.800 Like if we gave I'm sure if we gave like 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:15.839 Lena Khan and her advisors, you know, like a ruger, 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:19.360 like they like, yeah, we could get something. Actually, the. 1:36:21.439 --> 1:36:25.040 People that we would be most excited to have work 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:27.960 to do this in association with the FDA, because the FDA, 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:31.400 they do not. They don't get guns. They review things 1:36:31.400 --> 1:36:34.080 to see if it's safe for people to use and consume. 1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:39.559 The intradiction point is the United States Postal Inspection Service, 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:43.600 which are the mail cops. Shout out, Shout out to 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:45.080 the mail cops and the comp staff. 1:36:45.160 --> 1:36:47.400 They are actual, Like, please do not fuck with them. 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:48.720 What's their convictions? 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:52.000 Like, yeah, that's just the rest in packages. 1:36:52.640 --> 1:36:56.919 Yeah, but at padded envelope. 1:36:57.320 --> 1:37:00.880 But again there's not many people have meant many of 1:37:00.960 --> 1:37:06.720 them to do intradiction and investigation. Similarly, for Customs, which 1:37:06.760 --> 1:37:09.720 had got stapled together to Customs and Border Patrol under 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:12.799 the Department of Hollowed Security when it was an independent agency, 1:37:13.280 --> 1:37:18.160 they inspected everything. They were looking for illegally transported crew. 1:37:18.280 --> 1:37:23.040 They were looking for illegal cloth because specific weaves and 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:26.840 contents are trademarked, they're looking for that. They were looking 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:30.720 for fake tech, so an iPhone that actually just has 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:33.519 a piece of cardboard in the middle of rather than chips. 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:36.599 Customs used to look at all of this. We got 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:39.559 no support time for anything other than drugs. 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:42.479 So on that note, I'm afraid we have to come 1:37:42.520 --> 1:37:46.800 to the end of this ninety plus minutes show jrothwackon 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:47.400 people find you. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:50.439 Uh defector dot com. It's the website I do a 1:37:50.520 --> 1:37:51.919 podcast there. That's the distraction. 1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:56.320 I'm on Blue Sky. David j Roth is the handle there, 1:37:56.439 --> 1:37:58.400 and that is all I have to say for that, 1:37:58.520 --> 1:37:59.799 Miss Broughton. 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:02.599 So you can find me on Blue Sky at at 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:05.240 fun Ranium. You can find me on my blog Funderanium 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:07.559 Labs dot com. If you would like to learn more 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:10.720 about me being angry about laser products, go to the 1:38:10.840 --> 1:38:16.080 adventure and Radiation part and of the blog or reference. 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:17.599 Ran you'll tell them about your coffee product. 1:38:18.200 --> 1:38:18.800 Yeah, go on. 1:38:19.840 --> 1:38:22.960 The other thing I do is I make a concentrated 1:38:23.640 --> 1:38:26.120 coffee called Black Blood of the Earth. That is what 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:27.800 I had to make in order to drink coffee again 1:38:27.840 --> 1:38:29.200 without adding sugar and cream to it. 1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:31.439 We're gonna talk more about this tomorrow. 1:38:31.680 --> 1:38:32.799 Rocks. It doesn't. 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:35.680 It's actual hearted endorsement how Phil and I met. 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:37.920 And by the way, tomorrow's episode which I'm about to 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:40.760 talk cop and we'll talk about more later, he's going 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:42.760 to involve Phil a lot in talking about that. Mister 1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:44.120 Anguso Junior. 1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:46.960 Those debating whether the doing Nelson Mandela accents. 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:51.840 I've been thinking about it a week better don't find 1:38:51.880 --> 1:38:55.920 out you must go to the tech Yeah, that's what 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:56.640 I was afraid of. 1:38:56.720 --> 1:39:01.280 Dot com. Uh uh, that's my newsletter, my podcast that 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:08.120 this machine kills. And I'm on Twitter and Blue Sky 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:11.519 at Big Black Jacobin and. 1:39:11.640 --> 1:39:15.680 You can catch me outside. How about that. That's why 1:39:15.720 --> 1:39:18.919 I wrote down in my notes there. I'm at Zetron. 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:20.960 You have been so generous with your time. Thank you 1:39:21.080 --> 1:39:23.519 for listening. I am so grateful and love all of you, 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:25.760 and will say that a few more times as we go. 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:29.200 We're approaching the first episode. At the end of the 1:39:29.240 --> 1:39:32.360 first episode of the last day of CS proper, you 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:34.599 will have another one after this. I have been joined 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:36.679 by so many wonderful people. I want to thank everyone 1:39:36.720 --> 1:39:39.160 he has been on so far. This has been an 1:39:39.200 --> 1:39:42.800 incredible trip. Please listen to the totally canned message. After that, 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:45.240 I'll get one of you little pigs emailing me and 1:39:45.360 --> 1:39:45.680 being like. 1:39:45.800 --> 1:39:48.360 Afy, you need to update it. 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