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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to day five of the Better Offline

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Speaker 2: Consumer Electronics Show Saga. I'm your host edna. I am well, slept,

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Speaker 2: I ate two meals yesterday. My feet feel great, I

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Speaker 2: look fantastic. I'm having a hell of a show. But

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Speaker 2: it's the last day, sadly, but only the last day

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Speaker 2: of the show. We have today and then we have tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: a kind of our positive masculinity day. We're getting we're

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Speaker 2: getting massages, we're having brunch, We're gonna have a wonderful podcast,

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Speaker 2: can talk about our feelings. It's gonna be amazing. But

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Speaker 2: today we have an incredible cast with us. To my

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Speaker 2: left is Edward Graso Junior, my wonderful correspond Hello.

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Speaker 3: How's everyone doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm great, as I just said, clearly was thinking of

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Speaker 2: something else. But over to my right, I have the

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Speaker 2: wonderful Sheilin Low, the debutyta Or and Gadget Shlan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 2: And to my right David j Roth.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, David, I'm good. How are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, no, you already said that the only wanted

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Speaker 4: to't ask?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you were everyone was doing Oh okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: didn't ask though anyway until now. Yes, So how many

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Speaker 2: CS is this? Is this for you?

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Speaker 1: I've well few enough that I'm not last season as

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Speaker 1: people who have done this twenty five years. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm under ten. I think nine or eight.

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Speaker 2: That's still a low.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that sort of still seems high to me. This

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Speaker 4: is my first and Edwards first.

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Speaker 1: Oh how does it feel?

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Speaker 3: Oh so real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is that everything you expected? And Moore? I want to

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Speaker 1: know about Ann Moore. I want to know about.

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Speaker 4: Most of what I got in terms of expectations setting

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Speaker 4: was from ed and it was like I kind of

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Speaker 4: expected it to suck more than it does, okay, like

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Speaker 4: because he was more or less, you know, trying to

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Speaker 4: get me. I don't know if it was just that's

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Speaker 4: how I was just motivated, Like you have no idea

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Speaker 4: how depraved it is. Like you're going to see things

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Speaker 4: down there and.

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Speaker 1: It's like that's it's a trade show.

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Speaker 4: Like, I mean, it still kind of stinks, but there's

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Speaker 4: it was more normal for the most part, which made

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Speaker 4: the stuff that was like ridiculous and dystopian pop that

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Speaker 4: much harder for me.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it pretty well. Depraved. I'm sorry, yeah, go on,

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Speaker 1: was there a version of it that was I feel

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Speaker 1: like it? Okay, this CS is like surprisingly, I feel

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Speaker 1: like Las Vegas as a city has figured a lot

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Speaker 1: of it shipped out. Can I swear?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Great?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Fuck? Don't do all the swears. Okay, just all right?

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Speaker 4: Okay, the brown word, you could say damn but not

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Speaker 4: you know, but no, no sea words.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I think that's the one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, gotcha, So chicken.

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Speaker 4: So what do you how do you get like Vegas

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Speaker 4: has like assimilated this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean you can see all the construction happening,

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Speaker 1: but they've managed to make it so the construction is

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Speaker 1: not impeding a lot of the getting around, which you

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Speaker 1: have done in previous years of traffic. I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 2: And being at CS is like a double punishment.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know why you choose to do

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Speaker 1: that to yourself, but you did choose to do this

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Speaker 1: many decisions. The West Hall is beautiful. The fact that

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Speaker 1: the weather is extremely beautiful this week makes everyone feel

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Speaker 1: better when they're outside. I've been here when there was

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Speaker 1: all the power went out and all of the boots

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Speaker 1: at the same time, and I was on stage doing

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Speaker 1: like a panel hosting a panel interviewing Sony's like head

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Speaker 1: of hardware or something, and we were like vamping on

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Speaker 1: So there's been like cs as baths where like things

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Speaker 1: haven't been as nice or I I to me, this

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I will say that worries me about

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas is for like a solid decade we lost

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Speaker 2: the flappy guys, the guys who have the cards yes

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Speaker 2: that they flip together to off for escals. Those guys

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Speaker 2: but there's not many of them.

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Speaker 3: They just kind of I saw them when I was

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Speaker 3: last year, really when I saw you the first time

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Speaker 3: that we met. Yeah, but they were like outside of

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Speaker 3: the insurance convention that Jaython had been.

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Speaker 1: The right place to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe they're just like looking at the people that

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Speaker 4: are going to see yes, and or like these are

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Speaker 4: this is not an escort crowd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just they have a meeting beforehand and they

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Speaker 2: have like an Excel spreadsheet they all work through and like.

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Speaker 3: We're really the odds out, let's make it happen during

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Speaker 3: AVN Again, that's not just no no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're like these guys can build their own escorts,

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Speaker 1: you know, like the robots that we saw this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that there was a tap hunter washing and

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Speaker 2: post a narcle about that where it was like the

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Speaker 2: conversation with the guys about that, and everyone's just like,

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Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know, man, Like it's just I'll

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Speaker 2: link to it in the in the thing. But I

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Speaker 2: do think the tech industry reporters do kind of need

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Speaker 2: to look at AVM more and kind of broaden out

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Speaker 4: But because as much and I do apologize.

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Speaker 2: To female listeners who feels like who said stuff about

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Speaker 2: being gross a few times on this, but I will

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Speaker 2: say sex perversion all that is a part of society

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Speaker 2: and one can be puritanical about it, but that area

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Speaker 2: needs more coverage. And we've kind of talked about seeing

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Speaker 2: the various dilldonics manufacturers around here.

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Speaker 4: That sounds better when you use the technical terms stiltonics,

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Speaker 4: advanced tillics, A lot more consonants than you'd expect, right,

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Speaker 4: But I feel like that is a weirdly left out

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Speaker 1: I think I can't speak for all of the tech media,

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Speaker 1: but we're Engadget. It's like we've got a prioritize he

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Speaker 1: has is such a huge show. We've got the krs

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Speaker 1: this year there was the motor Bunny or Motor.

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Speaker 4: Fluffy, Motor Bunny power and know uh something powered by

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Speaker 4: Fluffer I haven't read yet, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was when I went back down to the floor.

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Speaker 4: For what I'm writing, it is motor Bunny powered by Fluffy.

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Speaker 4: And then there's another low Vents is the one that's

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Speaker 4: for other podcasts like Friends of Ours that we're also

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Speaker 4: And I saw him like blush while getting just instructions

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Speaker 4: on how this thing sinks. With that at the event's

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Speaker 4: thing the I didn't go to the motor Buddy powered

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Speaker 1: Sure bit just because you know the news there though,

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Speaker 1: no they're making uh I believe Adel Donn. That's powered

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Speaker 4: The game is called fabby Bunny. Yeah, but it's this

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Speaker 4: sort of thing, like you, there's a limit no one

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Speaker 4: writer and I'm here because there's a fulld out bed

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Speaker 4: Also for the podcast, also for the podcast, but the

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Speaker 1: I think, do you think it's it's odd because you're

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Speaker 1: same sites, because I covered this from the woman's angle

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Speaker 1: to your point that like in tech, especially a space

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Speaker 1: the CTA has been notorious for not wanting to showcase

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Speaker 1: are they not allowing us? They restonded our innovation award.

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Speaker 1: They made a smart vibrator, I believe, and were granted

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Speaker 1: I remember even before Lord de Carlo did all of that,

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Speaker 1: sex tech company that made a smart vibrator with a

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Speaker 1: But I remember very well another brand, Lioness, who makes

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Speaker 1: orgasm arts. So they have a smart vibrator with sensors

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Speaker 2: That actually feels like that might be very use It is.

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Speaker 1: Actually useful because the pitch back then and you know, men,

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Speaker 1: when you have erectile dysfunction, for example, it could be

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Speaker 1: an indicator that something's wrong with your heart health. It

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Speaker 1: It's like a check engine light for women. It could

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Speaker 1: be similar. Like, we don't have enough data, and that

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Speaker 1: Smart vibrator was very impressive to the point where like

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Speaker 1: the CTAs Best of cs Awards, and it is it

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Speaker 1: does like you to your point ed, we were just

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Speaker 1: talking before the podcast starter that we need people in

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Speaker 1: the space where like away I'm familiar and the CTA

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Speaker 1: open to because it was squamish. I get it makes

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Speaker 1: people screamish to be like you put this inside you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that you raised something with David.

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Speaker 2: Men in general do not discuss sex, thank you, and

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Speaker 2: men have a very hard time talking about like arouse,

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Speaker 2: they talk about lust. They're very good at discussing the

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Speaker 2: journey and all that. Like it's almost like, oh, sex

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Speaker 4: So the discussion with men about sex is actually quite rare.

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Speaker 2: I only have to I never talked about having sex

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Speaker 1: See that's a really good use case.

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Speaker 2: You can't talk to them at all, because the only

441
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Speaker 2: question I have there is if in the latter stages

442
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,479
Speaker 2: and experiences I've had mostly through friends, is wouldn't they

443
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Speaker 2: forget about it? Would it not be jarring? But I

444
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Speaker 2: honestly I really am rooting for them because that sounds lovely.

445
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Speaker 2: That sounds like something that actually solves a problem of

446
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Speaker 2: you can't really do contiguous care when you yourself are

447
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: kind of out of sync with the world due to

448
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Speaker 2: your condition. See, this is the thing, is we roll

449
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Speaker 2: to the end of this show. It is nice to

450
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Speaker 2: have a conversation where it's not entirely just yeah, I

451
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 2: don't know what that I a con man and another

452
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Speaker 2: connon man were conning each other in front of me.

453
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Speaker 1: It's just Vegas, no exactly.

454
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is that feeling of that's like the bit

455
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Speaker 4: of it that has when I've felt overwhelmed by this

456
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Speaker 4: beyond them, like the volume, like the physical challenge of

457
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Speaker 4: just like walking for whatever twenty miles or this. There's

458
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Speaker 4: the sense sometimes of like you're trying to take in

459
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Speaker 4: the entire spectrum of like free market fuckery and form bite,

460
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Speaker 4: you know, like from like the white label cable manufacturers

461
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Speaker 4: on the bottom of things to the you know whatever

462
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Speaker 4: the like Amazon or like just litteral you know, globe

463
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Speaker 4: bestriding giants on the other one. That it's like you

464
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Speaker 4: see the plankton and you see the whale sharks, and

465
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Speaker 4: like every single thing in between is like it's a

466
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Speaker 4: lot to sort of hold in your head. Yes, it

467
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Speaker 4: makes the to me at least, it makes the actual

468
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Speaker 4: products that seem to have actual use cases feel that

469
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Speaker 4: much more valuable or welcome because there's you know, it's

470
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Speaker 4: like I sort of know what it's about. There's a

471
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Speaker 4: lot of this stuff that is impossible for me to parse.

472
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Speaker 2: So how long have you been here is? Or how

473
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Speaker 2: many days?

474
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I landed January fourth, Saturday, and today is

475
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Speaker 1: what Friday? So and I'm leaving tomorrow. I have big

476
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Speaker 1: plans to go explore the desert or something, and I'm here,

477
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Speaker 1: like to go and get on an ATV or something

478
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Speaker 1: and go like just because today officially everyone's flying home

479
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Speaker 1: from my team and so yeah.

480
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Speaker 3: Not y'all salt or salt bed.

481
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Speaker 1: I guess assault bed.

482
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Speaker 3: I think it's you know if oh.

483
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Speaker 1: Oh the flat light? Yeah, gotcha. No, I haven't go

484
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Speaker 1: for a hike. Yeah, I want to do that after this,

485
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Speaker 1: which is why when you ask me to stay for long,

486
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Speaker 1: a girl was like, ed, not that long.

487
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Speaker 4: I gotta go.

488
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Speaker 1: I have to go visit a canyon. I have to

489
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Speaker 1: do something lost in the mountains. If you would never

490
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Speaker 1: hear from me again, you.

491
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Speaker 2: Want to be very lost, just be me. So so far,

492
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Speaker 2: what is your favorite thing you've seen? I say so far?

493
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Speaker 2: As we talk about the end?

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to choose. Can I say what is not

495
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Speaker 1: the favorite thing I've seen?

496
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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

497
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Speaker 1: I've seen this video making the rounds. Now that I

498
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Speaker 1: finally had some time to get back on my social

499
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: media like binging habits and on Reddit and on a

500
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: lot of social media platforms, this video of this AI

501
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: sex robot.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one hundred and seventy thousand.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one with the dark haired, dark long hair,

504
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Speaker 1: looking like they're falling off a chair.

505
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, when we will hit the brake in like

506
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Speaker 2: eight minutes, let'll show you a picture. But it is

507
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 2: really funny because I love that there's always one company

508
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: that does something like this where they just everyone experiences

509
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: the Uncanny Valley at once. Yeah, and they're like, but

510
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: we got a ton of press out of it. Every

511
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: article is just like this horrifying thing. A company is made,

512
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: these these evil people. They talk about them like one

513
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: of the bad guys from Full Metal Alchemists. They like

514
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: the monstrosities they have summoned, and like nailed it.

515
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Speaker 3: I saw something that kind of reminded me of this

516
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Speaker 3: where it was and it was this humanoid robot and

517
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Speaker 3: it was very loudly, clearly saying I'm a text based AI, do.

518
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Speaker 1: Not have a body, and it's fully imp.

519
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Speaker 3: And I was just like, Okay, that's this is a

520
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: good gimmick because that only comes up. I stood there

521
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: for about ten minutes. That only comes up like once

522
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Speaker 3: every seven minutes for a while the rest of the time,

523
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Speaker 3: you can do the little gimmick where you're talking to

524
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Speaker 3: it and it's speaking and you just don't hear that.

525
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: It's like probably just literally a chatbot speaking out of

526
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Speaker 3: the speakers, but you find tuned it it looks human, right,

527
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: and you got a chance to advertise whatever AI platform

528
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: platform that it is that the company was connected to,

529
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Speaker 3: which is ways way.

530
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Speaker 4: It's like, w it's a waste. Oh that's a tough one,

531
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Speaker 4: hey baby, I somehow missed the Hall of Uncanny humanoids,

532
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: which is like, thank goodness, and it's still a couple

533
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 4: of hours left.

534
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Speaker 1: I guess I could go down.

535
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Speaker 2: I just sort of robot with like a Donald Trump

536
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 2: masco on took a picture then immediately deleted it because

537
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Speaker 2: I know when someone's trying to get coverage. I know

538
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Speaker 2: when someone's just Donald.

539
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Speaker 4: In sense that was the case with the sex spot

540
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 4: that they were just basically like, I mean this we

541
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Speaker 4: got mentioned in the Wall Street Journal. They called this

542
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Speaker 4: the embodiment of everything that's wrong with temporary culture.

543
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Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, no, I think to your point,

544
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: the it's refreshing for me to see the pr angle

545
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: of this that you're thinking of. I know, I'm just

546
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: there like, oh right, yeah, this is a cheap method

547
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: to employ I I didn't get that vibe. We didn't

548
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Speaker 1: even cover it. None of it was not even on

549
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: our radars, Like yeah.

550
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: Because don't encourage them. But also back to the earlier theme,

551
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: it's like a thing, a thing made by someone who

552
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: is not actually interested in people having sex or meaning

553
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: exactly direct SEXU relationships. It's like, what are these ugly

554
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: pigs that never have sex? One a horrible robot that

555
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: looks like kind of like a woman, so they can

556
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: have their horrible sex in a locked room, criminalizing sex,

557
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: treating it like this ugly thing that we should hide

558
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: from the world. Were also kind of making fun of

559
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: people who.

560
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, making fun of their target audience, which is the

561
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: irony of that is so strange.

562
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: This is empathy and joy and honesty about sex, which

563
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: is like a meaningful thing that people should explore.

564
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: It's part of life. Yeah, I disagree. Is how we

565
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: got here.

566
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: Listen to Protestants were onto.

567
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: Something I love. It seemed to be fifty to fifty

568
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: split on this. It's pretty normal about it.

569
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Speaker 4: Before I came to Las Vegas. Now I'm taking a

570
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: hard stance to get this ship out.

571
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: Sex is out in twenty twenty five, before I came

572
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: here as a freak and I'm leaving with some some change.

573
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: I hear about crypto apparently what you're a convert now?

574
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I you know, I think I should be

575
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: on the blockchain.

576
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: I think, oh gosh, oh god, you know someone's done yeah,

577
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: like with unutterable horrors that has now that it's been uttered.

578
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows what's going.

579
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Speaker 2: On in Thistle Street general cs, abomination.

580
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Speaker 3: Of the Yeah, yeah, I bet money is someone I

581
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 3: know like them or a friend is making it right now.

582
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: They should be making something else. They should like getting

583
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: their affairs in order. When I find not, that's it.

584
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: So as we as we approached the break, here, is

585
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Speaker 2: there anything else you're going to see on the show?

586
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: Are you've just done?

587
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: Okay? So I'm here for personal interest.

588
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Speaker 3: Now.

589
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: Last night I was supposed to already be done working,

590
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: but I went to the Venetian Expo and I saw

591
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: some like last minute accessibility related products that's always been

592
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: like a topic I pay attention to myself. We actually,

593
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Speaker 1: I'm very proud to say this, and Gadget's like best

594
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Speaker 1: of Sea as winner, like the best in show. Best

595
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: of all the things we saw was a smart cane

596
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: for the blind.

597
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: So we talked about this and it's good, like because

598
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 2: my worry with it was a it needs an Internet

599
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: connection if it's going GPT thing. But it works.

600
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: It worked, Yeah, and in the busy wife like convention

601
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: floor where like you assume the Wi Fi is like

602
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: clogged as as shit, right, and I did not clarify

603
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: or verify what type of Internet connection was using. Was

604
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: it on device? I bet it's not because there's a

605
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: very thin, like well made device, like they folded it

606
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: up unfolded it showed me. I held it in my

607
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: hand and used it a bit. It seems to work

608
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: really well.

609
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: It's the white like on it.

610
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: It is slightly heavier than I think you're conventional like

611
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: folding cane for people who are visually impaired, but not

612
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: too much heavier. Not to be clear, this is like

613
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: a second generation of an existing product. The first one

614
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: was a bit heavier, so they've refined it. They've made

615
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: the handle a little easier to hold. They've replaced like

616
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: a touchscreen sort of button situation with tactile buttons, which

617
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: should have been in the first one, right, like why

618
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: didn't you think of this? So they they have made improvements.

619
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Speaker 1: Can you to and he have a pretty legitimate partner

620
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: in TDK who's like a big or more established company

621
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: to see this through. Look to your point, ed, z ed,

622
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: to your point. This thing at least if it dies,

623
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: if it runs out of battery, it's still just a can.

624
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: This is what Crisaer I believe said about it. It's

625
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: like it still functions as a device. It's just the

626
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: Wi Fi thing, is what it's because if it's if

627
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: the whole thing is a model.

628
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: Well, but it's not entirely like a chat GBT only.

629
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: I mean the term by turn navigations is something that

630
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: is quite important to the concept here, and the fact

631
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: that it will like that has a speaker on board

632
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: to like answer questions and stuff like that. So those

633
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: are important things. But it's also got like a flashlight

634
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: on board those sorts of things that don't require Internet

635
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: right for example. So that's something we you know, should

636
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: definitely clarify. We have the contact information about people we

637
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: can get in touch and find out.

638
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: I would love to know.

639
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll find out.

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Speaker 2: put it or don't know what podcast where, then just

660
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Speaker 2: follow the ads off to this. You'll have something and

661
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Speaker 2: we're back. So Sherlin Shelin. We talked just before this

662
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Speaker 2: about this infrared mask. Now I say this for both

663
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: personal and professional reasons. What was this and why does

664
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Speaker 2: what does the infrared mask thing?

665
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Speaker 3: Do.

666
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not just infrared. This is Shark's Cryoglow

667
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Speaker 1: and it debuted at CEUs twenty twenty five. It is

668
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Speaker 1: the latest in a string of like full face like

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Speaker 1: light based mask devices. You've probably maybe you've heard of

670
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Speaker 1: their faces.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm going to be completely honest. I've been

672
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: targeted with these things. Yes, masks you put on the

673
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Speaker 2: kind of lose something to you and just being so

674
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Speaker 2: because I have like gaunt eyes, I look like I'm

675
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Speaker 2: Polish British.

676
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Speaker 1: It's not you're too mean to yourself, but god I am.

677
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Speaker 2: But that's part of the show. But for real, though,

678
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Speaker 2: what do these things actually why do you use them

679
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Speaker 2: as a person?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, red light therapy, when used with effective components,

681
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: it is suppose to help like anti aging, help reduce

682
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: fine lines or signs of signs of aging, finance, wrinkles.

683
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: The blue light is supposed to help with antibacterial so

684
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Speaker 1: it's good for acne. Purportedly, infrared is helping with some

685
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: level of rejuvenation under the skin as well as penetrating

686
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: the layers of the skin. I know this is because

687
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Speaker 1: of the facials that I take, and I include the

688
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Speaker 1: light therapy in the salon. I feel like they work,

689
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: but I go for the like Salon grade ones, so

690
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: that's like probably going to work better and than any

691
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: of these home treatments. I've been very skeptical, skeptical of

692
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: devices like the Solo Wave, which is a smaller wand

693
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: with smaller COMPONENTSLD bulbs don't seem as as a fillender.

694
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Speaker 2: There is a laser safety specialist. It's currently he's just

695
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: got his head in his Sharon, please keep.

696
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Speaker 1: Talking about Yeah, I'm not sure how effective, right, Like

697
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: it's so hard to tell with these things, like when

698
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Speaker 1: you have to use them for six months to like

699
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: see any Resultsay, no, oh no, I don't. I mean

700
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're completely unsafer useless. Right.

701
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Speaker 2: He's not saying that, he's just going to he would

702
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: come over and say something about how lazist. Just sorry, Phil,

703
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: come over. Why are you complaining?

704
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: Grab a chair, Grab a chair.

705
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Speaker 4: Please share your microphone with him so he can have

706
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Speaker 4: his party.

707
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Speaker 5: I wasn't complaining.

708
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: You had your head in your hands. Yes, now he's

709
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Speaker 4: taking a knape.

710
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Speaker 5: Because now this is just when I once again would

711
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Speaker 5: like to take a moment to really give thanks to

712
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Speaker 5: the deeply overworked, put upon, and underfunded folks at the

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Speaker 5: Food and Drug Administration, specifically for the Center for Device

714
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Speaker 5: and Radiologic Heal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree for whom None of.

716
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Speaker 5: These products ever get to them, nor do they get approved.

717
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Speaker 1: Are they not like home? I feel like there have

718
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: to be like home versions of this stuff.

719
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of looking at there are what did

720
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Speaker 2: the cryo one do?

721
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: So the cryo part of it where these two metallic

722
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: plates are under the eye and they were just cold,

723
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: and it was so comfortable that felt, And that's very

724
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Speaker 1: useful for ski exactly exactly the important thing that having

725
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: had products like this come through where I work at

726
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: exceptional expense because they have success managed to sell them

727
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Speaker 1: to NFL teams.

728
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Speaker 5: I've had to stop people from spending hundreds of thousands

729
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: of dollars for you have gotten an ir hot red

730
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Speaker 5: light therapy unit. What it's doing is providing heat. How

731
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Speaker 5: is that different than the hot lamp at McDonald's. It's

732
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Speaker 5: considerably cheaper or alternatively, the thing we have literally been

733
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Speaker 5: using since time immemorial hot water bottles now in a

734
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Speaker 5: face mask form. It's to get it where it needs

735
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Speaker 5: to be. That is valuable putting an ir diode in it.

736
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Speaker 1: Is not okay.

737
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: So nothing wrong with the face mask.

738
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Speaker 5: Then, no other than do not sell the sematical product.

739
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Speaker 2: Do not well, no one does.

740
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Speaker 5: Don't try to make a claim. Do not allude to

741
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 5: a claim, which many people are I want to find

742
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Speaker 5: to let you make that assumption for them. Yeah, and

743
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 5: if they're feeling really good, they actually put a disclaimer

744
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Speaker 5: on their product so they I don't have to afford

745
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Speaker 5: them to the FDA.

746
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you need to do that. I have

747
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: some so too as well.

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Speaker 5: Please absolutely, But coming so this.

749
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Speaker 2: Mask, so you have the cold bits, So is that

750
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: to help with ibag semis.

751
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just to help with like exactly tightening the

752
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: skin back up or just you know, feeling fresher when

753
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: you've had a rough night. And so the heat and

754
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: you use these so I've used it for like a minute,

755
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: so don't But you've used the masks in general though,

756
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, the other two No, actually, I mean just

757
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the inforation. Yes, I have used the Salon greed ones,

758
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: not the ADM.

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Speaker 2: What do they do like, it's it's just the heat

760
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: kind of Yeah.

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00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: You're supposed to put them on your face and then

762
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: turn like a four minute, eight minute, six minute session

763
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: and then yeah, the not heat necessarily the ir ones

764
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: do you have heat? The red light therapy just shines

765
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: the light on you. There's the blue light depending on

766
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Speaker 1: which treatment you selected. And the cold for me was

767
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Speaker 1: the only thing I could really walk away from the

768
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: experience having felt and it sounds I was so I

769
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: was very pleased with it. I will tell you I

770
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: have come around on these devices. I used to be

771
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: hugely skeptical because I always thought they were ineffective, Like

772
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: how can you get a tiny light bulb to do anything? Really?

773
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: And to like the same point we're making everyone, yeah, exactly,

774
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: like it's it's heat, It's why do you need an

775
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: expensive device that their body like device is six hundred dollars,

776
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: the competing Dennis Groves doctor Dennis Groves device is four

777
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Speaker 1: fifty five. This is three forty nine. And that's part

778
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: of the reason I was intrigued. It's like, Okay, you're

779
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: bringing it down, You're doing something different with the cryo.

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00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot more I think. I mean, I quoted

781
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Speaker 1: the SVP of product development from Shark on this in

782
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Speaker 1: my article, which is I was like the theair body.

783
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: One vibrates and you know, to massage your skin, and

784
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: I think the company probably touts some benefits to vibration

785
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I think I know the

786
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: answer to this, but this is do shark cryo glow

787
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: vibrate And they're like, there's no vibration. This is a

788
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: skincare device. Vibration does nothing for the skin. And I

789
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: was like, you tell me, girl, you tell me.

790
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: You know.

791
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: I was like I needed this exactly. And it's like

792
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: we're I think, as we see more competition in this

793
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: space where hopefully we'll see more people focus on what's

794
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: actually going to work in this sort of device where

795
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like junk science. There's a lot

796
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: of like and my brain is so not working, but

797
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: like stuff that doesn't quite work.

798
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: It's you do science stuff, and it's they make these claims,

799
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: and they do it at the show where everyone's making

800
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: some molobally claims.

801
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: It's such a challenge to parse through all of it,

802
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: but also.

803
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: How does can I ask it just as it editorially? Yeah,

804
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: like how do I know that you You know? The

805
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 4: short answer is you work with a bunch of smart

806
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 4: people that know their fields and stuff. Like that, how

807
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: do you know like which, because there's we saw multiple

808
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: smart canes. I don't know if we saw the one

809
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 4: that you all awarded, Like, how can you tell if

810
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 4: it's if it's good or not. That's kind of a

811
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: remedial way of phrasing it. My brain's also not but

812
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 4: we can just whatever make our little dolphin sounds back

813
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: and forth. Yeah, trying to get there with you.

814
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I think it's partly because in Gadget has had such

815
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: a history of covering CEOs. We have the process down pad.

816
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 1: We start the process the second we get the full

817
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: exhibit or list for shows like Unveiled, and.

818
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: Patrick actually woke us through the process.

819
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah of course.

820
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

821
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, for this was my first year like fully

822
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: running the show for the team, and I started later

823
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: than I wanted to. Like since July, I've been like,

824
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: we need to start playing CEOs right and we at

825
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: least get the trouble and accommodation booked ahead of time.

826
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: But this year we started like November, which was late

827
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: for us, and it was very late. I was very nervous.

828
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: But the CTA also didn't have a lot of the

829
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: directories for us to pass through until the week before Christmas.

830
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: So we spend all two weeks. II did and take

831
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: time off during the Christmas break, and I just spent

832
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: it looking at exhibitor lists and we google every single

833
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: name that is an exhibitor. We find out what they do,

834
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: and if we don't, we'll reach out. We'll find their

835
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: pr email address, We'll reach out and be like, what

836
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: are you showing at CES. Then we'll do the research

837
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: of like what is in the space, what else is

838
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: already in the space, is it new? Is it like expensive?

839
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 4: Is a junk?

840
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: Right?

841
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: And then the process actually happens before we fly off

842
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: to Vegas. When we do get here, then we make

843
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: the assignments of like we're going to unveil, We're going

844
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: to Pepcom, We're going to these booths. These are the

845
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: things that actually look interesting. We'll go and look at them.

846
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: These are things that we don't know if they're good

847
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: or not. We need to investigate them. We have a

848
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: tag internally called investigate, and so we go look at

849
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: the thing on the show floor. We have our reporters

850
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: go out talk to the company. And then also because

851
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: we're in Vegas, the research is going to be limited

852
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: to what we can google within two minutes, right to

853
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: make a call on whether this is important, but yes,

854
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: we then we try to match the people with expertise

855
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: in the space to the product, so at least they

856
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: have a wealth of information.

857
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: Audio and oh my god, he's so good, right, but

858
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: that's the thing. You have specialists.

859
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: We have so much. Yeah, So Billy Steele's our specialist

860
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: on audio. I mean, the vendro was here. He's our

861
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: chip guy.

862
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: Oh he was stalking in video.

863
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all in video all day and NPCs as well,

864
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: I mean in video. I mean we have a bunch

865
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: of chip people too, which I'm so grateful for. And

866
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: we have multiple experts on some categories and they can

867
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: trade information. I wish you would get a chance to

868
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: see the debates that happen in our room sometimes, right, Like, yeah,

869
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: next year, next year, this will be the Engadget podcast

870
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: basically will have the topic exp.

871
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: We've got three of you on. I'm happy to have more.

872
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've had so many. I mean, there is

873
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: such a diversity of voices and opinions on the team

874
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: to which I really like. And when they fight it out,

875
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: that's my favorite because I'm like, yeah, we can't agree

876
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: to disagree.

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00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: But also I've been quite critical of some of the

878
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: tech media on here, and I really this show is

879
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: not about like just see us. It's about kind of

880
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: explaining how the tech media functions because it's very easy too.

881
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 2: And I don't mean this is this insult to a gadget.

882
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: You could put it the c Net or even the

883
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Virgin Yeah, definitely tech crunch. It's you think, oh, they

884
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: just turn up, and then they go it's the big company.

885
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: Oh look at a big television, big but when there

886
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: is actually quite a refined decade or more process that's

887
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: gone into it. And also covering this show is insane?

888
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Is That was the bit that was like interesting to

889
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: hear for.

890
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it sucks that you had to spend

891
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: your entire holiday season parsing a list of twenty five hundred,

892
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: three thousand hour many companies are, but it seems like

893
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 4: it's so patently unmanageable, like it is, it was unmanageable

894
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: for us.

895
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: I don't know.

896
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 4: You probably did see everything, ever, because you were here

897
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: longer than me, or came close to that.

898
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 3: I don't see the day I discovered that that there

899
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: was a cryptal pavilion that had been going on for

900
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: the entire time. Yeah, and I felt like I had

901
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I looked everywhere, you know, I

902
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: accidentally stumbled on it because I was like.

903
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: What am I doing in? Yeah, and that is like

904
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

905
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess that's like sort of what happens

906
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 4: with the show like this that like you know, the

907
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: idea is that you know, for them, I guess the

908
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 4: business is you said, whatever it is, five thousand dollars

909
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: a table for starters, and then it probably significantly more. Exactly,

910
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: it's like, so you don't say no to anybody unless

911
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 4: it's like a women's health Yeah, I guess, yeah they don't.

912
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: We don't do that. But the idea of trying to

913
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: manage something this size, it's it's impressive. Like that's like

914
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: a you know, I I have so much self doubts.

915
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 1: I'm always like did we cover everything? That we miss something?

916
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: And it's you're always going to So that's why I

917
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: had to, like I let the team PEP talk with this,

918
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: like we're here. Number one, we made it here. Some

919
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: people missed their flight, some people were sick, right number two,

920
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: something's going to go wrong and oh yeah, we'll just

921
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: have to accept it. Now.

922
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: That was the first thing I said to Phil.

923
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, good, there you go.

924
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, something will go.

925
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: Wrong exactly, so we cannot get hung up on like

926
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: I missed this thing. I'd say, I if I do

927
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: that to myself at this show and to my team,

928
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: we will just never walk away from this feeling like

929
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: we've done our draw you.

930
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: Cover just being great. And I say this like truly

931
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: as a reader of Engadget from fifteen plus years, like

932
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: like a long.

933
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Long time just turned twenty something, twenty twenty.

934
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. And it's like this is a

935
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 2: mammoth show to cover and it's hard to And I've

936
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: had the same thing running. This is my first CS.

937
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 2: I've run better offline on and it's like, yeah, I'm like, shit,

938
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: I miss this. I'll see an article go and'll be like,

939
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm the worst. I have failed the show. I've endangered

940
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: the mission and it's just impossible to do. So I'm

941
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: gonna change tech because you actually and this is a

942
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: miss of mind. Can you tell me what the Samsung

943
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 2: bally what this robot is? Because I've seen the articles

944
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: and I get I did not get a chance to

945
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: look at it.

946
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that it's even here at CS

947
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.

948
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Five, or someone's been showing pictures of it.

949
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bali. Bali's actually been at CS twenty twenty four

950
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: while it was debuted at CS twenty twenty four. But

951
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: the concept of this like rolling robot that Samsung makes

952
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: has been around for like what five years, I want

953
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: to say at least, if not longer, and it's in

954
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: its like most mature iteration. The one that's going on sale.

955
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: It's a bowling ball sized yellow robot that rolls around

956
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: your house. It's got a built in projector. It's got

957
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: the speakers built in. It listens to you speak. You

958
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: can talk to it and be like, oh trying, you know,

959
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: open the shades or like Casarta, the oven or whatever.

960
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: It talks to your smart home appliances. It can beam

961
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: like your screen on the ceiling, on a wall, on

962
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: the floor, wherever makes sense for you. The pitch was like,

963
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: it's this AI fitness companion, but it's also your home assistant,

964
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: all of these things. The news this CEES, because last

965
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: year was when they showed it off this CES is

966
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: that it's supposedly going to be available in the first

967
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: half of this year. I will caveat that. When they

968
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: first announced Bali properly in CS twenty twenty four, they

969
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: did say it will be available in twenty twenty four,

970
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: So it's like, Samsung, are you are you really going

971
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: to push this out this year?

972
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: You know?

973
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: More of that claims to be cute. I guess send

974
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: Via do that for fraid.

975
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say seeing the pic, like again, I

976
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 4: don't there's a part every time somebody has talked about

977
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 4: like being like, yeah, it follows you around, it can

978
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: project stuff. There's it's not a good question. But the

979
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: thing that's in my head is just like, really me,

980
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 4: but are you sure? That sounds really hard?

981
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: That's it. It is a cute little guy.

982
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: And if you think this is like something that I

983
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: U sort of picked up, I guess also from Chris

984
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 4: of that does it does seem to be like one

985
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: of the themes of the Cees is cute little guys.

986
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: So this this fits.

987
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: This is like, you know, it doesn't just blinking. What

988
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 4: follows you around turns your stove on.

989
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: I say this with my Bengal cat Babo, who is

990
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: my familiar and he follows me around and he mows

991
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: at me, wants to be an eye level.

992
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Screaming at you.

993
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: I really enjoy that.

994
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: That's his sister, Pokey. I will post it go to

995
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: my socials. Pokey's his little system, My beautiful screaming queen

996
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: who loves to scream at me. She just wants affection

997
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: all the time. And who doesn't. Baboo is the beautiful

998
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: smelt Bengal who's mostly just stopped and he hasn't meow anyway.

999
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: I guess that's why I don't need this thing, because

1000
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I already have something amazing to follow me. But at

1001
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: the same time, putting that aside, why do I need

1002
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 2: a robot following me? Why is to what end is

1003
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: it following me? Oh, it's going to project something? What

1004
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: is it going to project? Right?

1005
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: And I also asked when did the shift to like

1006
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: affectionate intelligence.

1007
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: To Yeah, that's actually a good point.

1008
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: I mean, has that been something you guys have detected

1009
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 3: over the past few years.

1010
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: My opinion is, I mean, the IBO has been around

1011
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: for for a very long time, and it's peaked everyone's interest,

1012
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: but it never really took off. Nobody really sold them

1013
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: but robotics if you really look at the space in

1014
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: the real world where is robotics. Robotics is in manufacturing

1015
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: ROBOTICSYSM warehouses. They don't need to be humanoid robots, None

1016
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: of them needs to be. They just need to be

1017
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: arms that repeat and action over and over again and.

1018
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: Do it so well.

1019
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: I value in the exactly do the things that we

1020
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: don't want to do? These things you know, we've I

1021
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: think we are collectively learning that the humanoid robots don't

1022
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: quite make sense other than to impress people to stalk

1023
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: in AWE created movies, remind people about the terminator exactly,

1024
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: and the actual helpful robot arms in those like manufacturing

1025
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: spaces are not as sexy and not as appealing visually.

1026
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: So what else is that far anyway for something might

1027
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: be right? Sure, but then like what is the next

1028
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: space they saw? They looked to Eyebo, they looked to

1029
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: the cute ones. They realized people want cute. I mean,

1030
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: I think they looked at Pepper as well. There is

1031
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: I think function and use for some of them in

1032
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: specific spaces once again, which is I think in the

1033
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: hospice care space, there's room for like telepresence robots, there's

1034
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: for like sort of some sort of healthcare like, uh, robots.

1035
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I go to this place called kupa revolving sushi.

1036
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: A conveyor belt place, Yes exactly, but that was her

1037
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 4: number one ship all through our twenties.

1038
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: That was yeah, forever, like whatever her birthday. Yeah, this

1039
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: is different places.

1040
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: Yes, you did not't say that. I just take you

1041
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: just said her her.

1042
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it. Yeah, Scarlett Johansson's voice.

1043
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 4: Do you know them? But my wife loves the you know,

1044
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 4: like whatever a piece of nigary slowly approaching you and

1045
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 4: you get to be like.

1046
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing. Kua Revolving Sushi has a robot

1047
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: that brings you your drinks when you request for it, right,

1048
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: Like all the servers have to do is place your

1049
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: drink on the tier.

1050
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: And then I was in career at the beginning of

1051
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: last year there was a dishwash dishbot but it worked

1052
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: like and it seemed to actually work these like robotics

1053
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: is here, but like many things, I guess it's not

1054
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: that exciting.

1055
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, this comes back to something that we were talking

1056
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: about yesterday, like if the actual applications for a lot

1057
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 4: of these robots are like, like you said, it's like

1058
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: either elder care or accessibility and stuff like that. That

1059
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: seems like it's the case for a lot of this stuff.

1060
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: A lot of the sort of like augmented reality is

1061
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: if that's the term for it, I don't know if

1062
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: it's a R or whatever.

1063
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: Not the thing like the brain implant, what do you

1064
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: call it?

1065
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: You're a link Novai, Yeah, yeah, but like one that

1066
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: was made up, so like just your control of.

1067
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 4: It's like all of that seems to be about helping

1068
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: people who have these and yet like it's feel like

1069
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: with this robot, like you make it cute because and

1070
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 4: you show when you're like demoing it for people, you

1071
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 4: don't want people to think about being sick.

1072
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I guess that's not good for advertising.

1073
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you show them instead this thing that like

1074
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that people really want to be like

1075
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: followed around their house, Like I'll turn my own stove on, honestly,

1076
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 4: Like I don't want anyone else to be Yeah yeah,

1077
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 4: yeah right. But it's so there's something funny about the

1078
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: idea of like inventing this thing that actually is useful.

1079
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 4: Actually it could add value to people's lives, but you.

1080
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: Can't sell it.

1081
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a way, here's the thing actually reflects its utility.

1082
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: I Again, another thing I've ranted about for a couple

1083
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: of years now is how much we're failing people in

1084
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: terms of elder care, long term care for people in

1085
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: late late stages of life. And the reason we do

1086
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: that as a society is because I think companies and

1087
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: corporations don't see value in providing this sort of care

1088
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: or more products in this space, right, And so that's

1089
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: why they don't want to tell you that this is

1090
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: better suited for like older care caregiver situations. Even though

1091
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: there are companies that will come out and say that,

1092
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: bigger companies won't want to do it because like a

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Speaker 1: PR I'm thinking this is a PR conversation, I don't

1094
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: know that they want to say that we're investing in

1095
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: this thing that serves a very niche audience that might

1096
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Speaker 1: die in a few years.

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Speaker 2: And there is a reason then that absolutely is it

1098
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: because you don't get a growth.

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00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: Market exactly, the growth growth mindset that sucks exactly.

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00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: And you also don't get growth out of things with

1101
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: elderly people other than being a private, privatey equity firm

1102
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: that buys old people.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean this is This is one thing I

1104
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 3: think of with the care economy, which is like the

1105
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: growth of it has been decided largely by the consequences

1106
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: of private equity firms laying waste.

1107
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: To infrastructure seeing they can build into it, and then the.

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00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 3: The evaporation of resources for facilities leading to these firms,

1109
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 3: these on demand firms, coming in and applying the uber

1110
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: model to them and saying, look like we will create

1111
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: a marketplace where the nurses will bid each other to

1112
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: the lowest possible price. So it's come in without training.

1113
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 3: I mean training in the sense not like because they're

1114
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: not employees, they're not hold where things are, who to

1115
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: take care of, how to how to operate like that.

1116
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 4: Like itinerant nurse like traveling nurse economy and suck and that.

1117
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: And this makes me think of what we see sometimes

1118
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: with some of this technology that's being offered, and that

1119
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 3: you know, some of the things that we've seen would

1120
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: be very good and very useful and should be durable,

1121
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: sustainable businesses just offering care to help people are not

1122
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: able body to help people who are incognitive decline, who

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00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: to help people who need care? And yet when we

1124
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: would talk with some of them, you could see like

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00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: that's actually that's not always the first way they think

1126
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: or talk about it. They're also talking about like, oh,

1127
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: like this firm would love this application that we have,

1128
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: and it's like okay, but like that's not real. The

1129
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: thing that is real is this care. This this way

1130
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 3: you would have to be able to help people who

1131
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: need care. But you're you're kind of using it. Some

1132
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: of these firms feel like they're using it to bootstrap

1133
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 3: into the growth.

1134
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, like you have to like bang.

1135
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 4: It's such a bizarre thing for me too, especially when

1136
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: you consider like what amazing I mean for the ones

1137
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 4: that actually exist, Like not everything that we saw, you know,

1138
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: exists in any sort of real stage yet, but like

1139
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 4: the idea that you have to like bang on the

1140
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 4: sort of fantastical growth possibilities instead of the actual service. Yeah,

1141
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: that you have created a thing that can you know,

1142
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 4: provide this very service with this remarkable bit of technology

1143
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 4: you did.

1144
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: There's no further ways to monetize the old person. I'm

1145
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 2: not I like that it's funny whatever, Well not for

1146
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: me because I'm like the joker, because I love for

1147
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: the sad things. But it's this sense of well, there's

1148
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: not why am I investing in these people? Like, why

1149
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: would I invest in the old person? They're going to

1150
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: die soon anyway, and we need.

1151
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 3: To get a sciety.

1152
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in a society.

1153
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: That's the part that's kind of weird about it, because

1154
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 4: it's not wrong to say that this is like a

1155
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 4: niche marketplace, correct, and yet it's like it's also not.

1156
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 4: It is also like one of the least niche experiences

1157
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 4: possible is getting old and die, Like that's a pretty

1158
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: universal human I mean, for those of us that are

1159
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: lucky to make it that far.

1160
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's weird. I mean, I guess this is

1161
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: like sort of a going to.

1162
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 4: Be a recurring theme anywhere that you go to, like

1163
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: a trade show where people are trying to make a

1164
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 4: billion dollars hut end.

1165
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: I was very encouraged to see this year. There has

1166
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: been quite a lot more attention in this space. Right

1167
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: we saw the ARP had a I mean, I so

1168
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: I stopped by the h Tech pavilion on the show.

1169
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: But we really haven't heard about this.

1170
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I went there and the h Tech Pavilion,

1171
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: presented by ARP, I guess is just a space in

1172
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: the show floor. They have so many of these like

1173
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: dedicated spaces carved out. They had a speech that where

1174
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: they presented four special products I believe, well, the one

1175
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: I saw and I tried on were this pair of

1176
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: pants by Arcterix and a company called Skip that they've

1177
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: worked with. This prep pants is like like a robotic

1178
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: powered pants situation where you put them on and they

1179
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: have sort of almost like an exoskeleton to help you

1180
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: move and climb better. And we're at the point with

1181
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: products that are designed for improving life for people with

1182
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: mobility issues where it's not you don't have to be

1183
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: like it's not binary right, you don't have to be

1184
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: a full on paraplegic, and it's not crutches and wheelchairs.

1185
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: This is for people who have some pain, struggle with

1186
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: pain pain.

1187
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: And often these people are maybe thinking of someone in

1188
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: my family refused to get any fucking help because they like.

1189
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm not nothing's wrong with me.

1190
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking constant pain and have mobility.

1191
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Yes, but these things sound kind of magical for me.

1192
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: These are these are going to be great, But these

1193
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 1: are for because they're Arctiator an outdoor like a Parel

1194
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: brand and that sort of thing. They're designed for like hiking.

1195
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: And that's so it's more like if you're at a

1196
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: stage in life where you're so burdened by some like

1197
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: like pain or body pain, that like going outside seems

1198
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: like such a pipe dream anymore, like climbing a mountain,

1199
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: level a hill, right, Like you can walk around, you

1200
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: can't really be active exactly, like challenges like scaling, like

1201
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: elevation and whatnot. This this is what this pair of

1202
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: pants is designed to.

1203
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 4: Were they powered by anything or were they just there's.

1204
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: A battery pack in the back of the pants.

1205
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: And in the waste they do Did they support the

1206
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 4: knees or the legs?

1207
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? So the one I tried by Arcterics had three

1208
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: like braces, one around the ankle, one around the knee,

1209
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: and one around like the thigh, and then the robot

1210
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: arm which just kind of propel you in those moved

1211
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: around right, and it's design my demo, we had to

1212
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: go to like stairs because that's where you would demonstrate

1213
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: the effectiveness more. Yeah, it's supposed to push you up.

1214
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I tried to do speed squads right in those. I

1215
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: don't I'm not the target market clearly, but I was like, yeah,

1216
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: I was like trying to see speed squads, and I

1217
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: think when I tried them they weren't on. But they're

1218
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: supposed to help you get from like the bent knee

1219
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: position to the up position more easily, which is where

1220
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people struggle with pain.

1221
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Well, I in the last few in like the last year,

1222
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: I've really got into yoga, and I would say a

1223
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: year ago, i'd have trouble getting on and off the floor, right,

1224
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: And I'm decent, Like I'm decently able, but like I

1225
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: don't have something wrong other than the fact that I

1226
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: was deeply inflexible. Being able to do that now is magic.

1227
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: But that took a shit ton of effort to get

1228
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 2: But also I didn't have any mobility issues that would

1229
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: have precluded me from doing yoga. Yeah, so this, do

1230
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: you know how expensive this is?

1231
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: Yea?

1232
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 2: How expensive we talk?

1233
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the Octor Express.

1234
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: I was going to say that they have it doesn't

1235
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: have robot arms in it, It's still like expensive.

1236
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: How much we're talking?

1237
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't think so they have no actual info ya,

1238
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: but the ballpark figure that I'm hearing is like five thousand,

1239
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you going to talk to

1240
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: insurance providers? To get the subsidized. They were, like, they

1241
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: want to consider it. I don't think this is a product.

1242
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: The insurance providers have to decide whether to cover it.

1243
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: They barely cover medicine exactly.

1244
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: There you go, my I don't want to get into it.

1245
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 4: But and also I can't imagine you're like anybody's pants,

1246
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 4: Like you're not selling a lot of stuff at MSRP

1247
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: when it's five thousand dollars exactly.

1248
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 2: To be honest, though, secretly, this is the stuff I'm

1249
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 2: most excited about because like the idea of just putting

1250
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: on a suit that makes you able bodied for anyone

1251
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: is kind of magical. Yeah, Like I don't know, Like

1252
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: I was a very heavy kid, grown like three hundred

1253
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: and twenty five pounds, and that alone like didn't mean

1254
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: I was strong, which is very embarrassing when you're lodge high,

1255
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: will add. But nevertheless, like even when I got thin,

1256
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: I still felt quite weak and I still had like

1257
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: some joint issues even And it's like the idea that

1258
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: we can kind of level the playing field other than

1259
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: the fact it's five thousand dollars is kind of cool.

1260
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: You want to hear something. Absolutely after I saw those

1261
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: I walked downstairs to the Kickstarter booth, and the Kickstarter

1262
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: booth had a company from somewhere in Asia, I think

1263
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: Taiwan or China, I can't remember, called Hypershell, and they

1264
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: make like a non pants version of There's exoskeleton. It

1265
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: is between eight hundred to fifteen hundred dollars depending on

1266
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: the material car.

1267
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: When you say non pants, how does that?

1268
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 1: Yes? So it's this sort of brace that you strap

1269
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: on around your waist to start, and then you strap

1270
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: like two things to your knees and they're basically an exoskeleton.

1271
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: The reason is not on Engadget Communist. I haven't written

1272
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: it out yet. I'm still technically working, I guess, but

1273
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: chilling and yeah, and so they do the same thing

1274
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: the Arcto ex pants do, except for in an exoskeleton

1275
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: that you strap around your clothes. So cool.

1276
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: I love.

1277
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1278
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Actually, i'll show you a video right now.

1279
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 4: I don't know if if you can, when will you

1280
00:56:59,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 4: write up your store?

1281
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: Just send me then I will send you the link.

1282
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1283
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to do it tomorrow and have it up

1284
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: over the weekend on our website.

1285
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 2: And I just I think that this is what I

1286
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: wish CS or was, because if you think about what

1287
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: makes technology actually magical, it's stuff that makes you stronger

1288
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: connect with people. Quicker allows you to explore who you

1289
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: are and who other people are in an honest way.

1290
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: And when it gets worse, it's when people interfere.

1291
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: With that process or slap AI and everything or slap.

1292
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: AI and everything. So as we go, as we sadly

1293
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 2: come to the end, we've got four minutes left. Was

1294
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: there anything you were like, your favorite favorite thing? Was

1295
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: there something you miss Is there anything you really missed

1296
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: that you truly liked or despised?

1297
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: I can't something that made me laugh, but I kind

1298
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: of liked it sold What was that? So we start

1299
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: noticing a trend and yes, twenty twenty five, Chris I

1300
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: might have talked about it, but Dan Cooper on our

1301
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: team was the first one to crystallize this idea with

1302
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: this term. I mean I crystallied the idea without this

1303
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: fancy name that he came up with it. Please sit

1304
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: the classic Dan great term the hoc Tour show. I

1305
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: want to know, there was so much like saliva sensing,

1306
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Speaker 1: saliva detecting tech boy on that sick on that thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, when we walked into CEUs Unveiled, which

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00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: is the first show on Sunday night. I already knew

1309
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: there were two saliva based like devices there. I was

1310
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: not expecting the most popular booth at CS Unveiled, where

1311
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: like crowds of people were around them the whole time.

1312
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't even get into a demo this thing called

1313
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: salt spoon. Everyone was licking it. It was like everybody's

1314
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: putting things in their mouths and this I don't know.

1315
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 4: I got to so I it's a cool idea. They

1316
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 4: were not letting people put it in their mouth.

1317
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: At that point. There was like a video they probably

1318
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: ran out. They was giving away disposable ones that failed.

1319
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were like a couple of them sitting on

1320
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 4: the counter and I like picked it up and I

1321
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know, feels good, Like I don't

1322
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: like a spoon more, yes, but stranger. But then there

1323
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 4: was like a video of a guy eating the robin

1324
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 4: with it.

1325
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you had to get like, do

1326
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: you like, Yeah, it's the one with the electromagnetic things

1327
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: to make you taste the saltiness form.

1328
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, So think about it if you're trying to

1329
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: consume like less sodium in your life, but you still

1330
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: want to have salty foods. This food supposed that if

1331
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you use to spoon, it'll turn everything you put in

1332
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 1: your mouth by tricking your taste buds into something that's

1333
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: like thinking that something salty or saltier than it al.

1334
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 4: I learned about this from Jesse Ferrara, where I get

1335
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 4: all my scientific information. But this is apparently the same

1336
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 4: technology that people use for saltwater pools. That it's basically

1337
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 4: a way of like making something salty without like dumping

1338
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 4: a bunch of sodium into.

1339
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: So the idea is you will shy away from things

1340
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: that have a certain level of salt because they'll taste

1341
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: even more sot.

1342
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: I can answer this be because I've had a lot

1343
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: of emails I want to apologize to the people. We

1344
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: kind of turn on those up at this. It turns

1345
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: out there are people who have like real physical problems

1346
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: with salt. They have to It's not like I should

1347
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: have less, so it's if I have too much, I

1348
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: will be in physical and this is magical for them.

1349
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: It's like I want to like as the show goes on,

1350
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: as we approach the end, anything I really mess up,

1351
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: I will try and fix. But apparently like this is

1352
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: a big deal for those people you can like have salt.

1353
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just like a diet thing too, Right,

1354
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: It's like some people have irritation, inflammation or I don't

1355
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: know if there's a salt allergy in the world, but right, hypertension.

1356
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: So you want hypertensions a diet based thing that I'm

1357
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: considering as an issue. Right, Like for healthy reasons, you

1358
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: still want to be able to taste salty foods. It's

1359
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: not about making something taste so salty that you will avoid.

1360
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: It is more drinking bland things that will then taste salty.

1361
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 3: Because of the use of this makes sense.

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01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 4: It was like you also get that you can kind

1363
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 4: of like dial in the experience like what you want.

1364
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: I think there's isn't that right that It's like you

1365
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: can go from like one to four and how salty.

1366
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: I walked the periphery of the booth the whole time

1367
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: because I couldn't get inside. What was the other saliva

1368
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: based Yeah, let's find things you could spit on. Yeah,

1369
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: there were two.

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01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 2: We call it the thing.

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I uh here we are giggling about it.

1372
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 2: But it is weird.

1373
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: It is this is there are two devices. One is

1374
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: called the cordesans and the other is called hormometer. We're

1375
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: not fans of the Yeah, her hormometer like hormone meter.

1376
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: That's just a really funny it's a great portmanteau. I

1377
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: think hormometer is slightly further along in my opinion of

1378
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: the process. Basically, these are at home tests that you

1379
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: can use your saliva, that you can use on your

1380
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: saliva and they'll tell you how, much like cortisols in

1381
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: your kay.

1382
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: So I think the problem is the labeling, because everything

1383
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: you've described is wonderful exactly. Also, if not be described

1384
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: as saliva base.

1385
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: Well that was to me the way it came off, and.

1386
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: Saliva based like some.

1387
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: Faint their nose tasting notes.

1388
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 4: Interesting.

1389
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: Interesting. I like it because, like I'm really into like, uh,

1390
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: getting data about yourself, right, But I don't want blood

1391
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: testing all the time. I don't believe in the photos

1392
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: scanning of your face to tell your face age. I

1393
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: want you to actually use I guess bodily fluids to

1394
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: know what is up with me. And this seems smart, right,

1395
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: Like it's non invasive, it's an easy way, and there

1396
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: are so many ways that we can avoid going to

1397
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: the doctor. I guess it's not like going to a

1398
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: doctor is a bad thing. It is that like people

1399
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: want to know more about themselves. People have been strapping

1400
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: glucose monitors on themselves just to understand their blood sugar

1401
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: levels when they don't have diabetes. Right, So there's so

1402
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: many reasons people could benefit from analyzing their saliva in

1403
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: my opinion. For hormometer, they do both cortisol and progesterone levels.

1404
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: So what would those be just just for the cortisol.

1405
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, cortisol is distress hormones, so the levels of cortisol

1406
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: are high or in higher stress. And then progesterone is

1407
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: something that people can use to track I guess fertility

1408
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: related things or cycle related or there's So I'm not

1409
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: velvers enough in the science here to tell you what

1410
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: else progester wants about.

1411
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: That makes all of us and sadly we have to

1412
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: come to the end of this part of the show,

1413
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 2: ed where can people find you?

1414
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: The tech bubble, dot substat, dot com, this machine Kills

1415
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: and Big black Jack of beIN on Twitter and blue

1416
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: Sky Shehlon where.

1417
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: Can people find you?

1418
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: I think I'll still be on the meta apps for

1419
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: a bit so Sherlyn Instagram, c h e r O

1420
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: r n n s t h e r A.

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 4: M uh defector dot com, The Distraction Podcast It's Christmas

1422
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 4: Town Podcast, and David Jroth dot b s k y

1423
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 4: dot Social.

1424
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: Though I realized many of you PLoP my end, and

1425
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 2: indeed when you hear I'm hurt, you cheer and laugh

1426
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: and squeal and a wink. Nevertheless, if you don't want

1427
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: to cause me misery, you'll follow the following ads with

1428
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: your complete undivided attention. And we're back, and we're just

1429
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that we each of us has

1430
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: two or three drinks at this point. We're not all right,

1431
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: it's not to destruction. It's just a little bit is

1432
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. Okay, Well, we've already had complaints about

1433
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 2: the language, so let's just move on from that one.

1434
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: So well, once again joined by mister Phil Broughton, the

1435
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: health physicist. Just let's reintegrate you that and reintroduce you

1436
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: to the show.

1437
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 5: Allow me to introduce myself. Okay, So I'm Phil Broddon.

1438
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 5: I'm a health physicist, which is a radiation safety professional.

1439
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 5: I'm also a laser safety officer. So I take care

1440
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 5: of the full electro magnetic spectrum of radiation. I also

1441
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 5: am the weird shit guy and Phil Andrew Bartender.

1442
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 4: Phil is here at CEES showing the laser mask that

1443
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 4: he made that people can He's not FDA approving.

1444
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 5: I don't know that product. So you have seen that? No,

1445
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 5: have you seen the laser bra as well?

1446
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: No?

1447
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: That's that?

1448
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 4: Really? Is that real?

1449
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 5: That is real?

1450
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: What does it do?

1451
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You haven't been on the floor.

1452
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 5: No, this wasn't on the floor. This is just why

1453
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 5: the internet exists for sons.

1454
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: So Phil is someone I torture. Yes, we've been friends

1455
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: for fifteen years. Sorry, I also missed something out. Mister

1456
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: ed on Giso Junior is to.

1457
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 3: My right, wonderful Hello, and I'm now he's said, yeah,

1458
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: so she calling me?

1459
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: You haven't a laugh?

1460
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 4: You have? You're taking a pitch mate, mister.

1461
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: Cockles and searching my head? Can I do any accidents?

1462
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: Try it out?

1463
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 5: Bean?

1464
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 3: Oh one time I did have an English breakfast and

1465
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: I felt like I was gonna die.

1466
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just how it feels to be British.

1467
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: Okay, back to all of your British levels maxed out.

1468
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the British Saliveeian what.

1469
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: Let them don't let them win?

1470
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: Oh god, oh boy, there's so many directions. But back

1471
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: to philm So, why does this show frustrate you? So

1472
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: we've gone over the fire Marshal aspect, but just the

1473
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: general milieu of CES does appear to torture you.

1474
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 5: So so a lot of what vendors are coming to

1475
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 5: CES with are not despite the fact that it says

1476
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 5: consumer Electronics show, many of the things are not aimed

1477
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 5: for consumers, never meant for consumers, or these are not

1478
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 5: products that are actually on the market, not going to

1479
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 5: get to the market. And it's terrifying how many people

1480
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 5: who have come on the show have been talking to

1481
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 5: me separately at the bar have said that they've met

1482
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 5: people at the stalls who asked them, so, what do

1483
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 5: you think our products should do?

1484
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: No, that's not what you do.

1485
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 5: If you have a product you're going to sell to someone,

1486
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 5: you really better know what it does so it can

1487
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 5: be sold legally safely, well so.

1488
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: That it could do it.

1489
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 5: Oh well there's that too.

1490
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: Is that part the again asking an ignorant question? Okay,

1491
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 4: you what days in? You need to stop leading in

1492
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 4: with the item' not so I don't know a lot

1493
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 4: about c I mean I know something about like what

1494
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: this one you know, like and how it feels. Maybe

1495
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 4: that seems that does strike me as strange, the idea

1496
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 4: of showing up with something that's like halfway done, like

1497
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 4: they give me just like publishing a draft with a

1498
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: bunch of t ks in it and being like, I'm

1499
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 4: really interested in anybody's feedback on how you think this

1500
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 4: story should conclude.

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: Well, after this, we're going to drive out west to

1502
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 3: a little place I like to call Palo Alto, a

1503
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: whole world that is built on stuff.

1504
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the prototype, Well, yeah, it's like pizza.

1505
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 2: Alonso just madeen off for a three year deal to

1506
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 2: the Mets, which is news I'm giving to David allowed

1507
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: to do that. Yeah, Like it's much like that, like

1508
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: what will you do pizza? And that is actually a

1509
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: good question for the Mets at this point. But nevertheless,

1510
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: to feel that one if you want, please please have

1511
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: them some stuff. Handle the Mets real quick.

1512
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: Couldn't hurt.

1513
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 5: No.

1514
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 4: The Alonzo thing, I as sentimentally as a Mets fan,

1515
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: I hope he returns. I think he's declining. The Mets

1516
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: seem to think he's declining. He if he's making offers

1517
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 4: to them, maybe he thinks he's declining, but whatever, he

1518
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 4: seems very happy to be on the Mets. And I

1519
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 4: think that that is rare enough that I hope he stays.

1520
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 4: That's a completely straight faced.

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Speaker 3: For listeners who don't know what are the Mets.

1522
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: The Mets are so they're one of the that's a

1523
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: great question.

1524
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 4: That's such a me thing to say. Thank you. Obviously

1525
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: you haven't been down to the Eureka level. They are

1526
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 4: as a it's an AI enabled.

1527
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: The mens, a private equity firm owned by a billionaire

1528
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: that ostensibly sells baseball related services. They only recently updated

1529
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,839
Speaker 2: in terms of services to allow for baseball related success

1530
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: with the acquisition of a company called Kwan Soto up there.

1531
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 4: They're on a subscription model, like a lot of these guys,

1532
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: you got to keep paying if you want them to move.

1533
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about the Nation League East.

1534
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just realized we have gone fully into the Mets,

1535
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: so we need to That was beautiful, man. I am

1536
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: so sorry, but Phil putting the fire marshal stuff aside,

1537
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 2: what is it with lasers and these people like, what

1538
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 2: is it? Why do They love to bring up lasers

1539
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: so much like, what do you think it is?

1540
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 5: Okay? So this would be several decades of career experience

1541
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 5: and just watching people and what they do. There's something

1542
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 5: in the human psyche that gets very excited about whatever

1543
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 5: thing there is in the world. What if I put

1544
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 5: a laser on it, right that will make it better?

1545
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 5: Or alternatively, this thing that already does the thing it

1546
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 5: normally does, would a laser make it do it better?

1547
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: So do they know what a laser is?

1548
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 5: Also often not great keep It is a laser light

1549
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 5: amplification by a simulated emission of radiation.

1550
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know it's an acronym.

1551
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: It is I just like scuba and I didn't realize

1552
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 2: it was an acronym until you asked that question. Yea,

1553
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: I have an IQ of seven.

1554
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 5: But the the more exciting thing and the reason why

1555
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 5: I get excited about it and products that happen, is

1556
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 5: how we regulate lasers in the United States of America.

1557
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 5: This is your important asterisk that goes in the post

1558
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 5: of These rules and regulations only apply in the United

1559
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 5: States of America. In your jurisdiction, they may be different.

1560
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 5: When lasers became a thing that weren't just stuff nerds

1561
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 5: played with in the National Laboratory. The very first market

1562
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 5: they hit, the first consumer consumers, very relative product was

1563
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 5: for ophthalmological treatments where you're doing the laser cautery z

1564
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 5: apping to fix in the eye in the eye, to

1565
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 5: cauterize off new veins growing in the retina, to say,

1566
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 5: people who are losing their vision from glaucoma or other

1567
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 5: diabotic diabetic retinopathy. Because the first application of lasers that

1568
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 5: really hit the consumer market was a medical application. Is

1569
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 5: the reason why lasers are regulated by the Food and

1570
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 5: Drug Administration's Center for Device and Radiologic Health, which means

1571
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 5: any consumer product that incorporates a laser is supposed to

1572
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 5: have been vetted and compliant with the Federal Laser Product

1573
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 5: Performance Standard that the FDA promulgates. And they only get

1574
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 5: one chance to catch you is when you release your

1575
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 5: product into commerce, and that has a very specific regulatory meeting,

1576
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 5: which is, oh, God, you actually want to.

1577
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 4: Know, yes, well, I'm assuming for our purposes here the

1578
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 4: stuff that's downstairs. A lot of the places have, as

1579
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 4: you've pointed out, like they'll be like a little tagliner

1580
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 4: like this has not been shown to the FDA yet.

1581
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 5: Or not approved by the FDA, or is being used

1582
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 5: under basically the Fundsis code of the regulation, when.

1583
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 4: Even if you have a prototype on it, it has

1584
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: not been released into commerce.

1585
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: Is that correct?

1586
01:11:59,320 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 3: Correct?

1587
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 5: Okay, So commerce's specific meaning is you have a excuse me,

1588
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 5: laser product that you have made more than one of,

1589
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 5: and or is being used somewhere other than the place

1590
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 5: where it was initially built, and or by someone who

1591
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 5: was not the person who originally built it, which means,

1592
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 5: if you listen to those three statements, at no point

1593
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,480
Speaker 5: does money have to exchange hands.

1594
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: So they only have to build two.

1595
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 5: The moment you hit two, you have made a laser product.

1596
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,520
Speaker 2: Versus people reading this as commerce meaning it's on Amazon.

1597
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 5: Which is what most people think it means.

1598
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: Sweet.

1599
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 5: That's how the regulation covers it to try to cover

1600
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 5: tricks like people being oh, well, just you're a friend,

1601
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 5: I'll make you a second one of these setups, and

1602
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 5: I'll ship everything that I just did over to you

1603
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 5: at your other laboratory. You have no idea how the

1604
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 5: very specific quirk of I have duct tape sitting right

1605
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 5: here on the setup to protect that beam from going

1606
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 5: out that will blind me. Also, it takes so very

1607
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 5: little laser power to actually be blind.

1608
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: But also that feels like a valuable point to this,

1609
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: which is just because they've made too doesn't mean they've

1610
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 2: made two safe ones. Like if there are little workarounds,

1611
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: like when you release something under these regulations you're discussing,

1612
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: I imagine you probably want to think of a more

1613
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: rigorous housing than tape.

1614
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 5: Correct. That's when I mentioned the Federal Laser Project Performance

1615
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 5: Standard aka the FLIPS. It specifies the components that your

1616
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 5: laser should have to be a legal laser product that

1617
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 5: could be sold into commerce. Right, They're not just you

1618
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 5: have to be I safe levels of power, which has

1619
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 5: defined as less than one milliwatt per squares centimeter on

1620
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,440
Speaker 5: the retina. It also has things like you have interlocks

1621
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 5: so that if you pop open the housing, it turns

1622
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 5: off or it drops a shutter.

1623
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 2: And these are things that people don't classically put in

1624
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 2: the first version not.

1625
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: Classically no good.

1626
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 5: Also other things like there's indicator lights, there's switches, there's

1627
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 5: key interlocks, all the things that sound like function buttons. Yeah,

1628
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 5: things that vanish from the design of products the moment

1629
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 5: you catch Apple disease and decide that every single product

1630
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 5: should be a smooth tablet of silicon that you wave

1631
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 5: your hands at and they do magic rather than what

1632
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 5: is my product doing.

1633
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 3: My god slash Steve jobs intended.

1634
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: So how does this manifest into problems at cees.

1635
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 5: Well, first you have handed products, often to sales people

1636
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 5: on the floor to go set up and talk about

1637
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 5: and try to make.

1638
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 4: A say well, most certainly not the engineers who built it.

1639
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: All laser safety offices correct.

1640
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 5: The other thing is bringing a laser onto the floor,

1641
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 5: and this take us back to the fire marshal chat.

1642
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 5: That constitutes one of the hazards you actually have to

1643
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 5: let the CTA know about so they can tell the

1644
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 5: fire marshals because that changes the occupancy of the room. Also,

1645
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 5: they have a safety personnel they call to come evaluate setups.

1646
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 5: So if you say you're bringing a laser to the floor,

1647
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 5: a laser safety officer will come. Oh, you should put

1648
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 5: an enclosure around that product you bought brought because you

1649
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 5: don't actually have one. Now this defeats the purpose of

1650
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 5: your trying to show your product. Now they can't see

1651
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 5: it through the enclosure that protects people from it. That

1652
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 5: should indicate that maybe your product.

1653
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 3: Is not great.

1654
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to see the product.

1655
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 5: You won't see at all.

1656
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 4: That's disturbing. And that's where that's the hand of a

1657
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 4: big brother in a lot of ways, trying to keep

1658
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 4: you from being blinded by a laser.

1659
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: Big vision.

1660
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: You're a hotel.

1661
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 3: Does it move fast, blind quick?

1662
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 4: Yes, that's so.

1663
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: But I just want to actually, here's a really good

1664
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 2: thing for the listeners. What are the consequences of not

1665
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: following these things. What do these products do to you

1666
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: as a person in the event these regulations and they'll followed.

1667
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,919
Speaker 5: Blinding fires?

1668
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: And is that bad?

1669
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1670
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 5: A fair question.

1671
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 4: It is a good question. I'm glad that we have

1672
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 4: a balanced group hair.

1673
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 5: So just a quick rundown. If you go look at

1674
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 5: your product that has a laser in it, odds on

1675
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 5: favor you have one, it's probably a printer in your home.

1676
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 5: If you go look on it, there will be a

1677
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 5: little yellow sticker on the box. That's box that says

1678
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 5: Class one laser device.

1679
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1680
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 5: That means it is safe for use under any viewing conditions.

1681
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 5: You have no access to a hazardous laser.

1682
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 2: You don't need eye protection or anything like that.

1683
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 5: You do not because the housing that's in there will

1684
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 5: protect you. Mind you, most laser printers are actually Class

1685
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 5: four lasers, which are absolutely blinding and capable of setting

1686
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 5: fires if you took all of the housing that makes

1687
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 5: the printer off of it. Okay, so there is a

1688
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 5: much more powerful laser that is dangerous to you hiding

1689
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 5: inside it it. One of the other things that happens

1690
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 5: at CES and other shows like Photonics West, where I

1691
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 5: will be in a couple of weeks is people try

1692
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 5: to get around some of the consumer protection standards by

1693
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 5: rather than selling you a finished product, they sell you

1694
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 5: parts as original equipment manufacturers. If you go buy OEM parts,

1695
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 5: which you are free to do because America, everyone salute.

1696
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: Is saluting. I'm saluting right. Thank you, Thank you everyone,

1697
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: Thank you everyone.

1698
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 5: If you go buy a laser OEM laser product and

1699
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 5: integrate it into your system because you thought this this

1700
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 5: stuff is great. All it needs is a laser.

1701
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1702
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 5: The moment you add a laser to it, you just

1703
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 5: turned the thing you made into a laser product. A

1704
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 5: finished one is subject to all of those rules like enclosures,

1705
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 5: light housings, interlocks. You just became a laser manufacturer and

1706
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 5: you didn't want to be and at that point supporting

1707
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 5: entrepreneurs with that.

1708
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 4: But also I agree with Edward's question, it doesn't feel weird.

1709
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 4: This is like the it's like a three D printery

1710
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 4: type scenario where there's like it seems like the three

1711
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 4: D printers, but like the distance between reach and grasp

1712
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 4: here is like actually a matter of life and death.

1713
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 4: Like the idea that like I could, by doing a

1714
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 4: few different things that more or less involve following instructions,

1715
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 4: become a laser manufacturer, Like I don't even brush my

1716
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 4: teeth before eleven in the morning a lot of the days,

1717
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 4: like I shouldn't be.

1718
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: Trusted with being able to do stuff like that now.

1719
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: And that's that's actually was a very good point, which

1720
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 2: is what feel is describing is how easy it is

1721
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: to do this insane shit.

1722
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 5: Very and to bring it back to the FDA, their

1723
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 5: control point is releasing a product into commerce, after which

1724
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 5: the FDA doesn't really have control of it anymore because

1725
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 5: it's now in the only other thing that a laser

1726
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 5: manufacturer is required to do, as far as the FDA

1727
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 5: is concerned, is maintain a log of injuries associated with

1728
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 5: their product.

1729
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:14,839
Speaker 2: And recall to do that with the podcast.

1730
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, several listeners are to my heart were recalling bits

1731
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 5: recalling bit's our entire systems.

1732
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: WE and we after close examination, we've realized that bit

1733
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: number seventy six seeding about the woo problematic.

1734
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 1: Could cause emotion injury to listeners.

1735
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 2: So film on the floor over the years. What are

1736
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 2: the manifestations specifically of this thing? What are the things

1737
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: that you have seen and heard of that you can

1738
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: terrorize my good friends mister Roth and mister Anguso with.

1739
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 5: So let's go back to the laser bra Okay please,

1740
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 5: this was actually a club item where the idea was

1741
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 5: you could be your own laser light show. Not just

1742
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 5: you put out the laser emitting product to go with

1743
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 5: the music, but it will actually react to your dancing

1744
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 5: and will change the out the brightness changed the color

1745
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 5: they dances. Though, if it's an E because lasers make

1746
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 5: everything better. Also, LED also can stand for laser.

1747
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: They don't sense things, they do things.

1748
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 5: They can also emit right, But.

1749
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 2: Are you saying that they use lasers to emit light?

1750
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 5: Yes, on the fucking brock, dozens of them.

1751
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 4: We have lights.

1752
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 5: No, but they could be lasers to shine in very

1753
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 5: visible beams across the entire world.

1754
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not the lazy set lazy Jesus.

1755
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 5: Does slip of the tongue happens constantly.

1756
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: Laser safety expert here, But I think the idea of

1757
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: shooting a bunch of lasers out of one's breasts where

1758
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 2: people might be looking it's fun, it may be, but

1759
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: it also might fun and flirty, a great look for

1760
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: the season thirty flirty and thriving. That feels dangerous.

1761
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,799
Speaker 5: You have a lot of very pain looks on your faces.

1762
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: At the very end, I feel no pain like the

1763
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 2: sohon it seems whether it would be worth it.

1764
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 4: You.

1765
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: Literally risking at all risk risking.

1766
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 2: To look at.

1767
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 4: Party?

1768
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: Could I go to?

1769
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 3: It'd be like that was fine?

1770
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I go bind it. I pretty much got what

1771
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: it's like desperate to Actually.

1772
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 5: There's also totally been the laser butt plug that showed

1773
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 5: up at but same thing dropping traun much.

1774
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,879
Speaker 3: Like thefacturers actually.

1775
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 5: Effectively, but the one that was most relevant that actually

1776
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 5: did show up at ce S, and it has shown

1777
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 5: up dozens of times on hacker News and other interesting

1778
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 5: maker websites. Someone who had made a laser based bong.

1779
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 5: Now this is a problem because again you've taken a

1780
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 5: concept of a totally workable product that already exists. Bongs.

1781
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 5: We have known how these work for very long.

1782
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 2: And we have made them so that people who may

1783
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 2: be under the influence can offer.

1784
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 5: Even offer to maybe not safely with the torch, but

1785
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 5: you know so that certain kind of mind looks at

1786
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 5: and goes, man, I can make that so much better

1787
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 5: with a laser. And okay, the problem is lasers are

1788
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 5: not necessarily hot burning enough to actually properly combust your

1789
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 5: weed to then inhale. Incomplete combustion is a problem because okay, now,

1790
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,640
Speaker 5: what did I break down on my plant material too? Oh,

1791
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 5: it's every organic molecule you possibly could break it down to,

1792
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 5: some of which are carcinogens. You would, yeah, everything, No, so.

1793
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 3: Your reefer becomes something even more dangerous. But you don't

1794
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 3: even really get the enjoyment.

1795
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 2: That I am genuinely asking, what is the consequences of

1796
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: the castinogens? No dumb question. You just said the word carsonogen,

1797
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: But explain please.

1798
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 5: Cancer causing agents thanks, some of which them are just

1799
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 5: straight up toxic, not just carcinogen.

1800
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 3: Do you not get high at least you might.

1801
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:11,680
Speaker 2: So.

1802
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 4: Just to be clear, though, when you break away all

1803
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 4: this stuff, but.

1804
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 5: You're also part of the show, you are you're also

1805
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 5: effectively wasting weed.

1806
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: You're not completely Okay, now I'm taking this very seriously,

1807
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: not that I ever have it. But the specific thing

1808
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying here though, is so the laser is not

1809
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: even efficient as a heating It's not.

1810
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 5: A good answer for it. It's just cool I use

1811
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 5: the laser.

1812
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 2: Do you not regularly burn castinogens? When you do? Like

1813
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 2: weed that you smoke and bongb for example, you.

1814
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 5: Get often get full combustion. The goal is to get.

1815
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 2: Full, just to get the th Does that get the

1816
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: costagens out?

1817
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 5: Don't make them in the first place.

1818
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So the idea of using a laser in this

1819
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 2: case creates new problems that makes weed less healthy.

1820
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 5: Again, It's time for another brand new acronym for you,

1821
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 5: jacks Laser generated airborne contaminants, which is something we regulate under.

1822
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 2: Why do lasers create those?

1823
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 5: So anytime you have a laser interacting with material, they

1824
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 5: start burning things off of it. Sorry, if it has

1825
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 5: enough power to start burning things off it, it will

1826
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 5: make fumes, It will do micromachining of surfaces, and you

1827
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 5: start getting nanoscale particulates, which are very exciting, very they

1828
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 5: sounds cool, but no, so normally you put on a

1829
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 5: respirator to protect yourself from particulars when you're doing woodwork

1830
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 5: and savage, which you already mentioned the laser cutters and

1831
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 5: then burners. When you use those on your wood, rather

1832
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 5: than just making simple smoke or sawdust, you were making

1833
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 5: nanoscale particulars that go right through your respirator. And rather

1834
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 5: than getting stuck in your sinuses with all your mucus there,

1835
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 5: some may to your lungs, some make get stopp there.

1836
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 5: Suddenly the target organ for smoke is your liver rather

1837
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 5: than your lungs.

1838
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 2: Christ and see this is the thing, this is I'm

1839
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 2: so happy you put this down. It has been like

1840
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 2: eight years of doing this, we've never actually got you

1841
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: to run down where your actual expertise lies here. And

1842
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 2: it's wonderful to do. No, I fucking love it. It's wonderful.

1843
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 2: The show. It's been amazing. But the thing is, it's

1844
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: like a classic CS style problem where it's like, ah,

1845
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: have we got the solution to something, but you have

1846
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: so many more problems yeah, we we may have created

1847
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 2: some more problems, but did we create a solution? I

1848
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 2: don't know. Do you think we did?

1849
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: Did you come up?

1850
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Did we? Can you tell us? If we what do

1851
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 2: you think? Can you buy this and then give us

1852
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 2: an idea?

1853
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 6: Right?

1854
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 4: That's the bit that I kept, ye because a lot

1855
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 4: of it is like the especially with you know, like

1856
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 4: the idea of a laser bomb, like this is it's

1857
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: a worse way to address a problem that has been

1858
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,480
Speaker 4: pretty comprehensively.

1859
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 2: Solved, but it's so.

1860
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely buy it. Yeah, that's somebody's like, well, this is

1861
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 4: like maybe this is cool enough that we could sell it,

1862
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 4: even if it's delivering like just of not even twenty

1863
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 4: five percent of the experience, Like you're getting all the

1864
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 4: carcinogens and the eggs.

1865
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what it feels like when I was

1866
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: in high school and we were out of weed and

1867
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 3: our plug was out of town, and so we'd scrape

1868
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:22,480
Speaker 3: our bulls to get to smoke out of some PVC pipe.

1869
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: You know, like, Okay, I was maxing out the dirt bag.

1870
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 5: I was going to say, you were in good shape

1871
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 5: there right up until you said PVC.

1872
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm trying I'm trying to maximize the unhealthy, horrible,

1873
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: uh damaging carcinogenic And.

1874
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,879
Speaker 4: There you go, you know, British culture.

1875
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 5: Just so to correct you though, David, it's not you

1876
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 5: get all of the caryscinogens that were there, it's you

1877
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 5: made some that weren't there in the first place.

1878
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 2: Yes, my bad problem for your solution.

1879
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 4: This is like the thing we're like, I don't I

1880
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 4: guess this is like not a novel observation, but they

1881
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 4: like the waves, which like a commercial consideration, just the

1882
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 4: most basic commercial consideration, like can I sell this? Can

1883
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 4: I make this thing and bring it to market? That

1884
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,560
Speaker 4: is the highest hurdle for any of these podcasts. The

1885
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 4: technological stuff, the magic, the shit that you need like

1886
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 4: advanced degrees to be able to do doesn't often seem

1887
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 4: to be a problem. The bigger problem is trying to

1888
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 4: find some way to either invest in it or to

1889
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 4: find a way to sell it. And that's how you

1890
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 4: That's like when these things get bad and.

1891
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: Then the film destroying ones, the way they fail both yes,

1892
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: where they just like, well, do we have a product

1893
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,679
Speaker 2: that people want? No? Do we have a product that works?

1894
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:36,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1895
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 2: However, we do have a name we have science, and

1896
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 2: we technically do have science. That's one thing you'll wokeness

1897
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 2: can take away film. They do have science, get them.

1898
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: And now the problem is do they understand the science?

1899
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: And that's the big one. And this is the thing

1900
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: I think.

1901
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 5: Rather they understand their specific incredibly narrow niche and have

1902
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 5: never picked their head up. Who look and acknowledge there

1903
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 5: are other humans around them?

1904
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Why would they do that unless they can do Some

1905
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: of them are customers, Okay, consumer, Oh sorry, you were

1906
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: not there to be happy, you're there to consume. And

1907
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: this is CS baby, It's just a series of people

1908
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: from the top of the people who actually release things,

1909
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 2: all the way down to the people releasing the laser bump.

1910
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 5: The other thing for CS is sorry they move in fads. Well,

1911
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 5: I said, there's something in the human spirit that says

1912
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 5: you just got to attach lasers to things. Not according

1913
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 5: to the people have gone to the floor. Not this year.

1914
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 5: People were not excited to stable lasers onto stuff, but

1915
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 5: in past years absolutely it's what they took. And that's

1916
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 5: that first time we visited see it well together to

1917
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 5: see us and twenty fifteen I actually did go to

1918
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 5: the floor.

1919
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 7: Twenty eleven first time we went together year was that

1920
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 7: first time we went to the No, I wasn't with

1921
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 7: you nicely where we met in the Californian right, But I.

1922
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 5: Didn't get to make dj wukid you No, you left me.

1923
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 2: It's one of my cool friends.

1924
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 4: I wid.

1925
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 2: I mean a guyiled like a year ago.

1926
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 5: But the the first time we were here together and

1927
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 5: I went to the floor. In twenty fifteen, there was

1928
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 5: a whole bunch of post disaster Fukushima tech where people

1929
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 5: were developing so many new apps for your phone for

1930
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 5: integration into the radiation monitoring networks. There was no radiation

1931
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 5: monitoring network right into the Well we're gonna have some

1932
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 5: some detectors that you can log into. Really, would you

1933
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 5: like to buy some detectors, by the way.

1934
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: To add to the inevitable future for the full network

1935
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 2: that you want, of course will exist, or a detector you.

1936
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 5: Can plug into your phone. No, your phone doesn't generate

1937
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 5: enough voltage to actually run that detector to do it.

1938
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 5: There was a whole lot of radiation related I am

1939
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 5: terrified of a Fukushima in my backyard. Across the entire Pacific.

1940
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 5: Tech that got rolled out which vanished the following year,

1941
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 5: and there's cycles.

1942
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 4: We were talking about this this morning too, and I

1943
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 4: think the thing that was kind of interesting about what

1944
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 4: you said about that too was that and this again.

1945
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: You know, I kept sort of having this feeling down

1946
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: there you were describing as basically, you know, people wanted

1947
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 4: this spectrometer or whatever the term is, got it?

1948
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: Is it good?

1949
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 4: I saw Craig Magine's Chernobyl mini series and I took

1950
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 4: copious notes during it, so I know a lot.

1951
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 3: I love that.

1952
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 4: I thought it was good actually, but if people expected

1953
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 4: me to hate it, I had like a T shirt

1954
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 4: on that seemed to the way.

1955
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Chernobyl day baby right here.

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Speaker 2: Really April twenty fifth, nine eighty six. I think the

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Speaker 2: time zones work out with Russia.

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Speaker 4: Two disasters the same, We're alive for the last Mets

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Speaker 4: World Series one.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

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Speaker 5: I want to three disasters.

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Speaker 4: Collapse of multipleties anyway, But what you were saying about

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Speaker 4: this is that like all of these things were you know,

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Speaker 4: not just flawed in the ways that that you described,

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Speaker 4: but they were like successful products in so far as

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Speaker 4: they would generate a number with a decimal point in

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Speaker 4: it that you could then look at and be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that seems high or that seems low and fine as

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Speaker 4: we but as in the mini series.

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Speaker 1: But I think just in general, like this was the

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Speaker 1: point that you made.

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Speaker 4: Is generating a number for somebody you know, by way

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Speaker 4: of an app or by way of you know, some

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Speaker 4: sort of device that you know it's chargeable via USBC

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Speaker 4: or something, is not the same thing as informing them

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Speaker 4: of anything. It's just producing a number. It like it's

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Speaker 4: an outcome.

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Speaker 2: But that's that it was.

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Speaker 5: I hope every time someone comes to I have this

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01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 5: new detector, is this good fill? Or is this worth

1981
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Speaker 5: the money? I? Okay, you have to know how. You

1982
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 5: have to ask the questions. What are you trying to detect?

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Speaker 5: Does the detector actually detect that? Do you know how

1984
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Speaker 5: to use it? And a lot of the consumer products

1985
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,839
Speaker 5: in spaces like this related to environmental health and safety

1986
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 5: emergency response no heal. Most people buying stuff I Amazon

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Speaker 5: have no idea how to fucking use it, much less

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Speaker 5: what it actually or how it works. And that's why

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Speaker 5: I get angry constantly.

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Speaker 2: As we wrap up more things to upset, you'll go

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Speaker 2: more tomorrow, I think. So you can just buy illegal

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Speaker 2: shit on Amazon just to wrap us.

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Speaker 5: Up as I as I regularly send you, it is

1994
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Speaker 5: the largest gray or black market in America. There was

1995
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 5: there was a really sad time. The other show I

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01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:26,480
Speaker 5: come to Las Vegas.

1997
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Speaker 2: To go to is Defcon and COVID Central.

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Speaker 5: I describe coming to CEES as a chance to see

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Speaker 5: the things I'm going to have to contend with when

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01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 5: cheap professors buy stuff and bring it to me. Going

2001
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 5: to def Con I describe as a vacation to other

2002
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 5: people's problems, because INFOSEC problems are analogous to radiation and

2003
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,599
Speaker 5: laser safety ones, but not actually mine to need to fix,

2004
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 5: but the stuff I can learn. One time I was there,

2005
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 5: I caught three senior Amazon on engineers at a bar

2006
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 5: and I was aimed at them by a friend who said,

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01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 5: those are the Amazon people. Talk to them, And I

2008
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 5: went over and at angry cocktail point, laid down, you

2009
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 5: are the largest black market, an illegal importer of dangerous

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01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 5: laser products and other things in the world, specifically America.

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Speaker 1: Really like yes you on our card or something.

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Speaker 5: To which to their credit, thank you. To their credit,

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01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,560
Speaker 5: they looked ashamed at their shoes and said to me,

2014
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Speaker 5: I could fix this with a code push at midnight

2015
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 5: if anyone with the very heavily implied a certain bald

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01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 5: owner cared professor very nasty, but worse, having shared the

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Speaker 5: story with contacts at the FDA. The FDA they haven't

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01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:05,719
Speaker 5: quite surrendered to Amazon, but they do not have the staff,

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01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 5: they don't have the bandwidth, they don't have the funding

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01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 5: to try to deal with a problem like Amazon, and

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01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 5: instead are doing their best to work with Amazon, which

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01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 5: is something you've written about and talked about. It's just

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01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 5: regulatory capture.

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Speaker 3: Would happen if we gave gun.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna I I was gonna say.

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Speaker 3: Anything that it is about to say.

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Speaker 2: Is not reflective.

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Speaker 4: It's it's the It's ed not the other d yet yet,

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Speaker 4: Edward Gaso, Genie.

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Speaker 3: Some of you who cannot tell the difference between our

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Speaker 3: voices because we sound.

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Speaker 4: So fucking.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing double.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: In a way, we are the same, you know, Britain, Kenya,

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Speaker 3: what's you know?

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Speaker 2: We are connected, but it is also wonderful and I'm

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Speaker 2: so happy. Anyway, please stop saying the thing that is

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Speaker 2: legally actionable, if you.

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Speaker 3: Can legally actionable, because I'm asking, I'm actually asking a

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01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 3: really good What I'm asking is what would things look

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Speaker 3: like if regulatory agencies actually had the ability to enforce

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01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 3: and not just to like litigate, you know, like what

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01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, I think one example just being, you know,

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Speaker 3: if they were able to enforce in the way that

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01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 3: ANYDA for a DA might when it comes to illegal

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01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: harmful goods and services proliferating in an open air black

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Speaker 3: market like this.

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Speaker 5: So that was a funny question you asked me the

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 5: other other day of do I think any government agencies

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01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 5: are working well? And I had to take a long,

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01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 5: sad pause and go the problem is, I know how

2053
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 5: they're supposed to work. I also know how they are working.

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01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 5: The DA and atf don't work nearly as well.

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Speaker 4: We would like them too, but I feel like they're

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01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 4: much more robustly funded. There's nothing else than like the

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01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 4: Federal Trade Commission is like six guys in an office

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01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 4: with a week in the ceiling.

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01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Like if we gave I'm sure if we gave like

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01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,839
Speaker 3: Lena Khan and her advisors, you know, like a ruger,

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01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 3: like they like, yeah, we could get something. Actually, the.

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Speaker 5: People that we would be most excited to have work

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01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 5: to do this in association with the FDA, because the FDA,

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01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 5: they do not. They don't get guns. They review things

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01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 5: to see if it's safe for people to use and consume.

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01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 5: The intradiction point is the United States Postal Inspection Service,

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01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 5: which are the mail cops. Shout out, Shout out to

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Speaker 5: the mail cops and the comp staff.

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01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 3: They are actual, Like, please do not fuck with them.

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01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 3: What's their convictions?

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01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that's just the rest in packages.

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01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at padded envelope.

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01:36:57,320 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 5: But again there's not many people have meant many of

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01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 5: them to do intradiction and investigation. Similarly, for Customs, which

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01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 5: had got stapled together to Customs and Border Patrol under

2076
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,799
Speaker 5: the Department of Hollowed Security when it was an independent agency,

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01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 5: they inspected everything. They were looking for illegally transported crew.

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01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 5: They were looking for illegal cloth because specific weaves and

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01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 5: contents are trademarked, they're looking for that. They were looking

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01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 5: for fake tech, so an iPhone that actually just has

2081
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 5: a piece of cardboard in the middle of rather than chips.

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01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 5: Customs used to look at all of this. We got

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01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 5: no support time for anything other than drugs.

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Speaker 2: So on that note, I'm afraid we have to come

2085
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: to the end of this ninety plus minutes show jrothwackon

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Speaker 2: people find you.

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Speaker 4: Uh defector dot com. It's the website I do a

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01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:51,919
Speaker 4: podcast there. That's the distraction.

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01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm on Blue Sky. David j Roth is the handle there,

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01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: and that is all I have to say for that,

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01:37:58,520 --> 01:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Miss Broughton.

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Speaker 5: So you can find me on Blue Sky at at

2093
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Speaker 5: fun Ranium. You can find me on my blog Funderanium

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Speaker 5: Labs dot com. If you would like to learn more

2095
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 5: about me being angry about laser products, go to the

2096
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Speaker 5: adventure and Radiation part and of the blog or reference.

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Speaker 1: Ran you'll tell them about your coffee product.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go on.

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01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 5: The other thing I do is I make a concentrated

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01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 5: coffee called Black Blood of the Earth. That is what

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01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 5: I had to make in order to drink coffee again

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Speaker 5: without adding sugar and cream to it.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna talk more about this tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Rocks. It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: It's actual hearted endorsement how Phil and I met.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, tomorrow's episode which I'm about to

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01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 2: talk cop and we'll talk about more later, he's going

2108
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: to involve Phil a lot in talking about that. Mister

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Speaker 2: Anguso Junior.

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Speaker 3: Those debating whether the doing Nelson Mandela accents.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it a week better don't find

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Speaker 2: out you must go to the tech Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 2: I was afraid of.

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Speaker 3: Dot com. Uh uh, that's my newsletter, my podcast that

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Speaker 3: this machine kills. And I'm on Twitter and Blue Sky

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Speaker 3: at Big Black Jacobin and.

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Speaker 2: You can catch me outside. How about that. That's why

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Speaker 2: I wrote down in my notes there. I'm at Zetron.

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Speaker 2: You have been so generous with your time. Thank you

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01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 2: for listening. I am so grateful and love all of you,

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01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 2: and will say that a few more times as we go.

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01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,200
Speaker 2: We're approaching the first episode. At the end of the

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01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 2: first episode of the last day of CS proper, you

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01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 2: will have another one after this. I have been joined

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Speaker 2: by so many wonderful people. I want to thank everyone

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01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,160
Speaker 2: he has been on so far. This has been an

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01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 2: incredible trip. Please listen to the totally canned message. After that,

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Speaker 2: I'll get one of you little pigs emailing me and

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Speaker 2: being like.

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Speaker 4: Afy, you need to update it. I've done like ten

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Speaker 4: and a half flipping hours of audio on this.

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Speaker 2: What more could you want from me? I'm online. You

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01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: can email me. I always email you back. Jesus Christ,

2134
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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: I adore you, sir, Let's get you home.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I am Venetian Hotel room. This is where I live.

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