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Speaker 1: great morning to you both. The Jets are one to zero.
Speaker 1: It's been an emotional forty eight hour swing here at
Speaker 1: one Jets drive. Great win over the Buffalo Bills. Outstanding
Speaker 1: team victory. With that being said, Aaron Rodgers goes down
Speaker 1: after four snaps three offensive plays. He's placed on into
Speaker 1: reserve with the Achilles on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Baldy, look, I mean for all of us when we
Speaker 2: watched it, it was with disbelief, like nobody could believe
Speaker 2: this could have happened. Everybody's reaction was pretty much the same.
Speaker 2: What come out of your mouth was a little bit different,
Speaker 2: but we all felt like a gut punch. So it's tough,
Speaker 2: but I think within that sometimes you find out just
Speaker 2: how good you are, Like, is it just Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2: I mean that if you watch Hard Knocks, you figured
Speaker 2: it was just Aaron Rodgers and a bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: You know, I know that's TV, But like sometimes you
Speaker 2: got to find out how good your team is, and
Speaker 2: that that team rally down thirteen to three late in
Speaker 2: the game and they found a way and Bart like
Speaker 2: it's so cliche, but players got to make plays. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they just guys just kept doing it, whether it
Speaker 2: was Breeze or whether it was Whitehead, or whether it
Speaker 2: was Xavier Gibson in overtime. Guys found a way to
Speaker 2: make plays. And sometimes you don't know that you could
Speaker 2: do it until you're asked to do it, and you
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: Do it exactly. I mean, we say it all the time.
Speaker 3: Adversity doesn't defined. Character reveals it, and this shows you
Speaker 3: that this was a confident bunch with or without you know,
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers. Just this is basically the same team last
Speaker 3: year that was, you know, fighting for a playoff.
Speaker 4: Spot started even four at that point.
Speaker 3: Right with with with more experience. All these young guys
Speaker 3: now are seasoned veterans, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: you think about Sauce taking the next step, Garrett Wilson's
Speaker 3: taking the next step, but they have a greater supporting cast,
Speaker 3: you know, I think the offensive line, the more they
Speaker 3: play with each other, it's going to take about five
Speaker 3: games and listen, they're going to be have their feet
Speaker 3: held to the fire because their first five opponents are
Speaker 3: guys that have tremendous defenses that can get after. So
Speaker 3: it's going to accelerate the communication because you're going to
Speaker 3: have to because you're going to have to have a
Speaker 3: lot of correctable tape because it won't be perfect. Guys
Speaker 3: got to get in in football shape. I think that
Speaker 3: was one of my takeaways throughout the league, because there's
Speaker 3: no preseason. Guys are playing at one hundred percent, one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty percent, pushing through fatigue and pain because
Speaker 3: you can't tap in.
Speaker 4: You know, say hey, come save me, and you're like, hold,
Speaker 4: I'm a backup.
Speaker 3: You the starter, You get started money, you go out
Speaker 3: there and you do what you gotta do. But you know,
Speaker 3: Theets can take a lot from what they did, and
Speaker 3: I think the former has to be much like it
Speaker 3: was our two thousand and nine and twenty ten year,
Speaker 3: where you know, Zach Wilson's taking shot or pretty much
Speaker 3: like Mark Sanchez took shots and handing the ball off
Speaker 3: and leading the league in rushing. They have two capable backs.
Speaker 3: Bree is only going to get stronger. I thought Dalvin cooked.
Speaker 3: Maybe his timing was off a little bit, you know,
Speaker 3: because he has to learn. One thing Brees knows is
Speaker 3: he's played with these guys before, so he knows their tendencies,
Speaker 3: their body language and none verbal communication.
Speaker 4: Dalvin has to learn that, like how he's going to block.
Speaker 3: Certain fronts if you're going to get a true but
Speaker 3: if you're going to get a turn, you're gonna get
Speaker 3: a hook and get that trust in timing. As far
Speaker 3: as I say, all great backs have to have patients
Speaker 3: to the whole, acceleration through the whole, and Dalvin has
Speaker 3: to be able to learn that patience then comes with
Speaker 3: more reps.
Speaker 2: It's a dance part. It's a dance that every back
Speaker 2: has to have with their offensive line. There's some days
Speaker 2: you come off the field and you're like, I can't
Speaker 2: get the mic block, Like look like it's not the
Speaker 2: way it was on Wednesday or Thursday, and you can't,
Speaker 2: Like you gotta figure it out a way. We gotta
Speaker 2: get the mic block. He's gonna make every tackle. And
Speaker 2: so sometimes it's just that simple, Okay, come to the sideline.
Speaker 2: Here's what we're gonna fold it. We're gonna scoop it.
Speaker 2: We're you know, what do we have to do in
Speaker 2: order to get to this guy? And so Dalvin has
Speaker 2: to learn that, you know, if he's going outside zone
Speaker 2: behind Dwayne Brown and Lake and Tomlinson. It's different than
Speaker 2: what he did in Minnesota for six years. And so
Speaker 2: to Bart's point, he spot on like, there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of time where you need to learn the dance
Speaker 2: and then once you get it, then you'll get your rhythm.
Speaker 2: Then you know your spots when to hit it, where
Speaker 2: the daylight is. And I think you know that will.
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Speaker 1: Bart ten year anniversary nine to eleven. You played against
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. You guys were down by double digits
Speaker 1: in the second half as well. Then Sanchez hit Plexico
Speaker 1: bursts the late Joe McKnight, god rest his soul blocks
Speaker 1: a punt, Isaiah Truefont takes it into the end zone.
Speaker 1: So a lot of similarities. Twenty second anniversary of nine
Speaker 1: to eleven at Charge Environment, the fans were incredible Monday night,
Speaker 1: and the Jets got a great defensive effort and then
Speaker 1: they hung around, kept on battling offensively. How about the
Speaker 1: touchdown catch from Garrett Wilson in the fourth quarter. That
Speaker 1: tisy game. I don't know how he came down there
Speaker 1: with that against stray Avis White, and then they ended
Speaker 1: in overtime with an undrafted free agent Exavier Gibson taking
Speaker 1: it to the house.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's just illustration of just the
Speaker 3: work that Joe Douglas has done in understanding what this
Speaker 3: team needs. Last year, that was a source spot with
Speaker 3: Bracks and Barrios. You know what wasn't flipping the field.
Speaker 3: You have a great defense, your special teams becomes a
Speaker 3: weapon because they become your offense. If your defense can
Speaker 3: get guys off the field three and out, it's a
Speaker 3: formula kick the ball.
Speaker 4: The ball was short.
Speaker 3: You know, even if you get ten yards you average
Speaker 3: ten yards, you're flipping the field because if you in
Speaker 3: return punt and you outpunt the punter. I thought the
Speaker 3: special teams was excellent, you know, you know Z and
Speaker 3: more more so did their thing right and flip the field.
Speaker 3: And that's something that was a point of emphasis for
Speaker 3: the And you can see the hit we call it
Speaker 3: the hitting yards.
Speaker 4: We can see the hitting yards.
Speaker 3: And then the hitting yards took place when you get
Speaker 3: off three and three in out and you have a
Speaker 3: walk off. But even if it wasn't a walk off,
Speaker 3: the field was already set to be able to just
Speaker 3: have to get twenty thirty yards and you have field
Speaker 3: goal ranks to try and win the football game.
Speaker 2: I always say part that during the course of a year,
Speaker 2: you want your special teams to win two games for you, Well,
Speaker 2: just one one. There's still another game out there to win.
Speaker 2: What you don't want to do is have your special
Speaker 2: teams lose a game for you, or lose two games.
Speaker 2: And that can happen too. Just happened to the Giants.
Speaker 2: You get a field goal attempt block for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: There's this moment out of yourself.
Speaker 2: Everybody on the sideline, this is what happens to you. You
Speaker 2: got the mental stuff in your head. Go here, we
Speaker 2: go here, it goes again like it. It is such
Speaker 2: a defeating play. You got points on the board three
Speaker 2: and it goes the other way for ten and then
Speaker 2: you get a tipball interception pick six. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys had eight snaps and we're up sixteen nothing.
Speaker 2: But like you, that's a deep hole to try to
Speaker 2: dig yourself out.
Speaker 3: And when you think about it, you know you're gonna
Speaker 3: have an advantage AD and you can have a big advantage,
Speaker 3: especially if you have great core teamers. It's in the
Speaker 3: special teams because the communication. A lot of these guys
Speaker 3: on special teams are are guys that's working with each
Speaker 3: other for the first time. So if you have a
Speaker 3: good special team unit, a veteran one one that's played
Speaker 3: with each other and guys to understand their role and
Speaker 3: accept their role, you can really take advantage early in
Speaker 3: the season because communications X dunt cross stunts, guys techniques bad. Right,
Speaker 3: we had to jump through when you talk about the giants,
Speaker 3: jump through God and stabs inside hand. Now I guarantee
Speaker 3: for every game in the rest of the year, somebody
Speaker 3: who's ever there on that wing is gonna stab that
Speaker 3: inside hand and then step out. But now the Dallas
Speaker 3: Cowboys able to gain advantage because they took advantage of
Speaker 3: guys not being ready to play.
Speaker 1: I see pall to getting excited over here. It says,
Speaker 1: then there's football one on one, there's football three oh one,
Speaker 1: five o one. This is like seven oh one. This
Speaker 1: is doctor level stuff right now.
Speaker 2: But you know the victories and wins all line the
Speaker 2: details like Bart's talking about, just a simple detail that
Speaker 2: you actually practice every day. You know, every single team
Speaker 2: every day does a field goal, extra point, try drill
Speaker 2: every It happens every day, and it's just something that
Speaker 2: you just almost take for granted doesn't happen. That's disappointing.
Speaker 2: That play to Brian Dable, as bad as it was,
Speaker 2: might have been the one that bothered him the most.
Speaker 1: All right, let's come back to the Jets here. We're
Speaker 1: gonna dive into that matchup this weekend with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, he comes here a couple days before the draft.
Speaker 1: He totally bought in. He loved his new surroundings, his
Speaker 1: new environment, his new start after eighteen years in Green Bay,
Speaker 1: fifteen as a starter, four time NFL MVP, A guy
Speaker 1: looking at the Lombardi Trophy and telling Jets fans, dad
Speaker 1: trophy looks lonely. I want to lead this team to
Speaker 1: another one four plays. What do you think he's going
Speaker 1: through right now? And also what kind of challenge does
Speaker 1: Robert Sala have ahead of them?
Speaker 2: Well, I would just imagine that inside Aaron Rodgers' brain
Speaker 2: right now, it's a torture chamber because all, like I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that he thought, like Tom Brady thought when
Speaker 2: he left New England went to Tampa, I can do this,
Speaker 2: Matt Stafford leaves Detroit, I can go to LA and
Speaker 2: do this, like Aaron wanted to be the next.
Speaker 4: Guy to do it.
Speaker 2: Like you know, that's what the great players do at
Speaker 2: that position. They elevate everybody. And nobody thought Tampa was
Speaker 2: a super Bowl team. Nobody thought the Rams were a
Speaker 2: super Bowl team until those guys elevated everybody around him
Speaker 2: and the coach quarterback relationships always got to be special.
Speaker 2: And I thought Aaron had a chance to do that,
Speaker 2: and that dream died quickly. So it's a gut punch
Speaker 2: to Aaron, like he doesn't want a Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: career to end like that. It does, like nobody can
Speaker 2: nobody can write that script part about how to walk
Speaker 2: into the sunset. We all want to do it. We
Speaker 2: all want to go win the Super Bowl and walk
Speaker 2: off into retirement and all our dreams are fulfilled.
Speaker 3: Soul can never be settled that way, like it's an
Speaker 3: unselling death, Like the soul can't rest right, you know
Speaker 3: when I talk about that every football player experience is
Speaker 3: to death, their natural death and their football death. They
Speaker 3: can't do what they love to do, and they have
Speaker 3: to walk away and make that decision.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: For myself, it was a toe and it was tough,
Speaker 3: and I had a tremendous opportunity being able to get
Speaker 3: an opportunity for CBS, and I still feel like I
Speaker 3: had some years and I feel like I had something
Speaker 3: to prove. And to this day, my soul is unsettled
Speaker 3: because I wish that I would have said, you know what, CBS,
Speaker 3: thank you, but no thank you, and found my way
Speaker 3: on there so I can walk off the field with
Speaker 3: my head high and healthy. And sometimes you don't have
Speaker 3: the Jerome Bennis type of story right off until the sunset,
Speaker 3: like Shane, you know. But I just can't see a
Speaker 3: guy like Aaron Rodgers wanting that to be his lasting
Speaker 3: image and still feeling like he owes the Jets and
Speaker 3: the Jets fans something. But he's already you see his
Speaker 3: impact throughout this entire organization. You can see the life
Speaker 3: that he's brought breathed into Zach Wilson. You can see
Speaker 3: how he's you know, sharpened up the skills and the
Speaker 3: confidence of Makai Beckton. You can see his effect on
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson, who he believes, Hey, you're like seventeen, and
Speaker 3: being able to breathe that confidence and to him to say, hey,
Speaker 3: I've seen some of the best receivers in this game,
Speaker 3: and I believe you can be one.
Speaker 4: Bart.
Speaker 2: I really think that there is a like he's already
Speaker 2: embedded himself in this organization. Like you said, like he's
Speaker 2: got to have the surgery. I hope he still stays here.
Speaker 2: He's here every day. I hope he's on the sideline.
Speaker 2: I hope he's on the plane rides like he's a
Speaker 2: part of this team. And just seeing him, I feel
Speaker 2: like it gives a lot of people confidence. No, not
Speaker 2: gonna take a snap, not gonna help win a game.
Speaker 2: I feel like his presence is really important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have to see what happens there. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: that hurt you at the same time, like you want
Speaker 1: to help the team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it happens.
Speaker 3: We've all felt hopeless, right, you don't feel a part
Speaker 3: of it, right, right, But he can be a huge
Speaker 3: part of it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: He had two jobs come here, win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: but also develop help develop a young quarterback. The first mission,
Speaker 3: he can't. He can't do that until next year. If
Speaker 3: he decides to come back the part two of that mission,
Speaker 3: he can still obtain. He still can be a big
Speaker 3: part of the winning here by helping develop and accelerate
Speaker 3: the growth of Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's second act now a lot sooner than we
Speaker 1: all anticipated. With that being said, one of the advantages
Speaker 1: of Rogers coming here that Brady didn't have, that Stafford
Speaker 1: didn't have, that Peyton Manny didn't have, is that this
Speaker 1: was his system. He was matching himself up with Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Hackett as a player coach. Now, what do you anticipate
Speaker 1: that relationship is going to look like with Hackett and
Speaker 1: Wilson and they'll fire. They'll have a week to prepare
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. I imagine he wasn't getting too many
Speaker 1: first team reps, if at all, last week.
Speaker 2: Getting the reps knowing that the spotlight on them, that
Speaker 2: will all help. You know, you want to see what
Speaker 2: you don't What I think we saw a little bit
Speaker 2: on Monday night was he made the error, he didn't
Speaker 2: see the linebacker. He made the throws interceptor. But you know,
Speaker 2: Matt Malone was a very good player. But so I
Speaker 2: saw it throughout the league. Bryce Young through two to
Speaker 2: the other team the other day. It happens. But what
Speaker 2: had happened in the past is that one mistake with
Speaker 2: snowball into two and three mistakes, and we didn't see
Speaker 2: that the other night. And so the ability to erase
Speaker 2: a mistake, flush it, clean it and go on. I
Speaker 2: felt like the team helped them. I think they all
Speaker 2: came over and let them know everything's going to be
Speaker 2: all right, even when they were losing. And and then
Speaker 2: you know, the touchdown to Garrett's got to feel good.
Speaker 2: It's a phenomenal play. But you need your players around
Speaker 2: you to make highlight circus catches like that. You need
Speaker 2: your guys to make catches that they haven't made before
Speaker 2: across the board. So everybody has to pick up their
Speaker 2: game a little bit. And I feel like that's the
Speaker 2: message that Robert We'll send to the team. We all
Speaker 2: have to do a little bit more now. We all
Speaker 2: got to be a little bit better. It's not all
Speaker 2: on number two. It can't be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you heard Dalvin Cook say say say as much
Speaker 3: right when he said we all got to help too.
Speaker 3: And you know, everybody list and these are guys that
Speaker 3: are veterans in this league that have played at a
Speaker 3: high level. We need you to play at a high
Speaker 3: level all. We don't need you to be special or
Speaker 3: something that you haven't been. Just play the play to
Speaker 3: the back of your your football card. Play to the
Speaker 3: back of your football card. And I know if Dalvin
Speaker 3: Cook plays to the back of the football card, is
Speaker 3: one of the most elite backs in the game. I
Speaker 3: know if Makai Beckon plays into his capability, then that's
Speaker 3: one of the best, most dominant, you know, tackles in
Speaker 3: the game.
Speaker 4: I know, if.
Speaker 3: Vera Tucker plays, that's arguably one of the best guards
Speaker 3: in all of football. Lanklyn Thompson, former Pro bowler, play
Speaker 3: to the back of your your your your your football card.
Speaker 3: Dwayne Brown, play to the back of your football card. Right,
Speaker 3: You're a five time Pro bowler. Play to the back
Speaker 3: of your football card. And if everybody plays to the
Speaker 3: back of their football card, then I think they'll be fine.
Speaker 3: One of the things I think they're going to have
Speaker 3: to do, he's going to have to customize this system
Speaker 3: for the strengths.
Speaker 1: As I just gonna ask you, like, what are Zach's
Speaker 1: strengths because he came out this highly athletic talent out
Speaker 1: of BYU. Obviously this is a new system.
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta scheme up shots for him. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean. You keep it simple.
Speaker 3: You know, easy throws we're on his guys, and catches,
Speaker 3: slant slants rarely get picked off, right phase rarely get
Speaker 3: picked off. And shots you know you talk about you
Speaker 3: know over route speedos, you know what we call spiedos, these.
Speaker 4: Deep crossing routes with easy check down.
Speaker 3: You need to make a simple for him one, two, three,
Speaker 3: all into the one vision until he opens things up.
Speaker 4: But you know, you think about as well.
Speaker 3: I think McCole harmon has to start playing right because
Speaker 3: he's a guy that can be your gadget guy. He's
Speaker 3: a guy in the slot that you can give jet
Speaker 3: sweeps to and he can get a supposed to plays.
Speaker 3: He's a guy you can get a screen pass to,
Speaker 3: you get a supposed to play. He's a guy that
Speaker 3: you I will put him in there at least once
Speaker 3: or twice a quarter until him just go go straight,
Speaker 3: Mark's cassette, go go straight.
Speaker 1: You gottaccount for him.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I just b John Robinson, catch us
Speaker 2: a hitch and go to the house for opening touchdown.
Speaker 2: The Falcons like, just come back, okay, get a like,
Speaker 2: just get a bunch of big guys out front and
Speaker 2: let him use his talent.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, you saw Aaron Jones.
Speaker 3: You saw Aaron Jones, right, It was a screen right,
Speaker 3: a nice little angle route. Listen, last year the Jets
Speaker 3: had a tremendous package and they didn't have to Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3: It was the pony package that they had when they
Speaker 3: had Michael Carter and they had Breese Hall there, and
Speaker 3: that front guy can go block for each other. But
Speaker 3: that front guy also can run a wheel rod. And
Speaker 3: we watch against that. I believe it was Denver. We
Speaker 3: watched Breese Hall with like a sixth den there sixty
Speaker 3: yard reception off of straight like wheel route, you know,
Speaker 3: coming off the Pony package.
Speaker 2: So we saw we saw package the other night with
Speaker 2: both Breecee and Dalvin together and then they through the
Speaker 2: screen to Dalvin to Brees and they put Dalvin out
Speaker 2: in motion. So I think you can see put your
Speaker 2: best players on the field, like you your star players
Speaker 2: are gonna win the game for you like, Zach doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be the star. You're not gonna hide him.
Speaker 2: To Bart's point, like you're gonna take your shots. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of help around him.
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Speaker 1: If you can be even in the turnover battle each week.
Speaker 1: I think twenty points is gonna win you a lot
Speaker 1: of football games with this defense.
Speaker 2: No, here's the thing, Like the defense was good last
Speaker 2: year that gave up I think the fewest touchdowns in
Speaker 2: the league.
Speaker 4: But they didn't take the ball away exactly at sixteen
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 2: So in seventeen games the quarter of the way there, Well,
Speaker 2: you need to double that this year. You got to
Speaker 2: be thirty and above because if you give extra at
Speaker 2: bats to this offense, they're going to score if you
Speaker 2: just keep doing it. So what was encouraging even on
Speaker 2: the fumble caused by Michael Clemens, Like there was you know,
Speaker 2: there was Quinnon falling on it. Like last year, they
Speaker 2: forced a lot of fumble they missed. They pick up
Speaker 2: like loose balls is loose change? Like get the loose balls?
Speaker 2: Like it's just got to be a mentality every single
Speaker 2: time there's a ball in the ground, it's got to
Speaker 2: be yours.
Speaker 1: I think Field the Eights from ESPN tweeted after Jordan
Speaker 1: White had his third interception that he had just earned
Speaker 1: himself a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars roster bonus
Speaker 1: in Week one.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of cheese on the taco I wonder
Speaker 3: if he's saying, you know what, listen, Jets, we don't
Speaker 3: need to wait till the end of season.
Speaker 4: I got it now, you can just go ahead and
Speaker 4: pay me. So I started getting some interest in that
Speaker 4: thing already.
Speaker 3: You talk about hitting for the cycle and listen, they
Speaker 3: weren't like those are play recognition, tape studying type of interceptions.
Speaker 4: Those weren't. Oh, I'm just happened to be Bart. It's
Speaker 4: a great catch. Yeah, I'm not just trying to knock
Speaker 4: it out of his hands. That's a great catch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like I'm Johnny on the spot. And
Speaker 3: the last one understanding that they had they had some
Speaker 3: type of combo limbo type of coverage. I understand he
Speaker 3: sliced the seven route, came underneath and was able to
Speaker 3: get the interception. That that is play study and anticipation
Speaker 3: and being able to believe your eyes.
Speaker 1: He looked like a good cornerback in that situation when
Speaker 1: he undercut the route.
Speaker 4: And he's dry. He listened.
Speaker 3: He dropped four last week. I mean last year they
Speaker 3: said he dropped four. Sometimes you just you.
Speaker 2: For Bart and you spend the off season on the
Speaker 2: drug machine. Yeah, like, I gotta get my hands better.
Speaker 1: How about the Williams brothers. We tend to expect this,
Speaker 1: I think from quinnin but Quincy is really.
Speaker 4: And he flashes.
Speaker 3: He plays at a different speed, right, he's a guy
Speaker 3: that you know, he brings and delivers, delivers, you know,
Speaker 3: tremendous hits. You know, he's not the biggest guy, reminds
Speaker 3: me of it. He reminds me a lot of myself.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to pump. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: lift myself up. But I was a hitter and I
Speaker 3: had a tremendous range, especially early in my career. And
Speaker 3: he's a guy that plays with a reckless abandon because
Speaker 3: he's a guy that was giving up on He's a
Speaker 3: guy that said, hey, he wasn't good enough, and he's
Speaker 3: come here and he found he's found a home and
Speaker 3: not only just being able to come down and be
Speaker 3: that wild man. He's like the loose cannon, right. They
Speaker 3: allow him just to run and hit. There's like Seaball
Speaker 3: get balled. Mi'ster ray Lewis right, he's the guy like
Speaker 3: and Quintin is allowed to just be a reckless craze doll.
Speaker 3: And I love it and I love him to see him.
Speaker 3: And also he's athletic and he's had that. He has
Speaker 3: that speed. He saw that on the wheel route. He
Speaker 3: was right there, stride for stride and yes, and we know,
Speaker 3: James Cook is a guy that can run too, So
Speaker 3: you know, I'm happy for him, and that's what you need.
Speaker 3: You need your young guys also to take the next step.
Speaker 3: And these guys are taking the next step. Whether you
Speaker 3: talk about Garrett rather you talk about Sauce, you know,
Speaker 3: you talk about Whitehead more comfortable in the system.
Speaker 4: I think he's more comfortable. Last year.
Speaker 3: I think coming over from a new team, you know,
Speaker 3: high price, free agent, a lot of expectations. Maybe he
Speaker 3: was pressing a little bit. Now he's just letting the
Speaker 3: game come to him. We're seeing the player that we
Speaker 3: saw on Tampa.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that matchup Jet's Cowboys. But just
Speaker 1: flipping back to the quarterback real quick. If you're Joe Douglas,
Speaker 1: you already know you we're taping here Wednesday morning, elevated boil.
Speaker 1: So right now he's your backup? Are you adding another quarterback?
Speaker 4: Hits? Okay, you know why?
Speaker 1: And could you throw out some names hypothetically, you know,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 2: Look, you owe the team. I mean, Joe's been doing
Speaker 2: this for the last two years straight. The team is good.
Speaker 2: They proved it on Monday night. We know it's good.
Speaker 2: You owe the team, the best player you can get,
Speaker 2: you can find. You make every phone you call Tom Brady,
Speaker 2: you know, you call Philip Rivers. You just make those calls.
Speaker 2: You call, like he drafted Carson Winston Philly, Like you know,
Speaker 2: Carson has been giving up on Maybe and nobody's called.
Speaker 4: The phone's not ringing. Maybe this is a chance. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer is, but I know
Speaker 2: Joe has been busy calling every agent, every available guy
Speaker 2: out there, making trades. Who might you who might you
Speaker 2: be able to shake loose that could come in here
Speaker 2: and win games right now if they have to, because
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's going to come off the street
Speaker 2: anybody and just step in and play right away.
Speaker 1: It's Robert Salad was clear about it that Zach has
Speaker 1: team right now.
Speaker 4: I think Zach has two weeks to prove it. Right.
Speaker 3: We understand how daunting the task is. You know, the
Speaker 3: first six games, how hard they would be. We knew
Speaker 3: that before the season with Aaron Rodgers, without Anon Rodgers.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna give Zach two weeks before I really
Speaker 3: go big fish hunting. And I'm trying to go big
Speaker 3: fish hunting now. But you have to ask yourself, right,
Speaker 3: if you go big fish hunting, what are you say
Speaker 3: saying Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has come in, He's given
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars back. He's been a guy that's been
Speaker 3: all in. If you go out and you tell you know,
Speaker 3: the Rams, I got a first round draft pick, you
Speaker 3: give me Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4: You can go out and.
Speaker 3: Get Kayler Williams because you're going to have two first
Speaker 3: round draft picks and have an opportunity to get your
Speaker 3: future quarterback. Who knows he might say that Kaylor Williams
Speaker 3: has said he'll go back to school if I believe
Speaker 3: if a team like Arizona tries to draft him because
Speaker 3: Aaron flux. You know, but you can see a USC
Speaker 3: kid wanting to play for a team that won the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl a couple of years ago and be with
Speaker 3: a guy like Sean McVay. But then also you got
Speaker 3: to understand what is that saying to Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: if he believes come back, he can't make that decision
Speaker 3: right now, so you can't make a long term decision.
Speaker 3: So it has to be somebody that understands that this
Speaker 3: is still Aaron Rodgers team until it's not so. I
Speaker 3: think about a guy like Jacoby Brissett. I think about
Speaker 3: a guy like Teddy two Gloves who's been here before,
Speaker 3: and you say, well, why would these teams give up,
Speaker 3: you know, a guy like Teddy two Gloves. Why would
Speaker 3: they give up a guy like Jacoby Brissett Because they
Speaker 3: are one of the best bats in the game that
Speaker 3: you can trust that can come in.
Speaker 4: You can win games with even Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 3: But why would the Giants ever make a deal with
Speaker 3: the Jets right, you know, and help them and then
Speaker 3: if something happens to Daniel Jones, But the Jets still
Speaker 3: have a surplus. I said in pass rushers and pass
Speaker 3: rushers are a premium and if you have to use
Speaker 3: some of your personnel, that's your best chance I believe
Speaker 3: to get a player.
Speaker 4: Draft picks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the draft picks going to match the type of
Speaker 3: conversation you get. If you want to get a high
Speaker 3: end quality back up and somebody that can potentially come in,
Speaker 3: whether it's even an Andy Dalton, it's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: it may cost you a player or a high draft pip.
Speaker 3: But a guy like Jakob ber said, I think you're
Speaker 3: going to have to get creative, maybe send a player
Speaker 3: and get a four back and return.
Speaker 4: And then get the backup. They have said they're all in, Bart,
Speaker 4: You're all in. You're all in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, it was unfortunate circumstances. Nobody could have
Speaker 2: foreseen what happened. But I think you still have to
Speaker 2: be all in.
Speaker 1: And we saw improvement from Zach Wilson throughout the summer.
Speaker 1: And like we talked about at the top, they started
Speaker 1: five and two last year, we're seven and four.
Speaker 2: You're looking at right now. Is an insurance policy, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he gets hurt.
Speaker 4: He gets hurt too.
Speaker 2: He's been so you have to protect yourself and that's
Speaker 2: that's what it is. But we all look, we all
Speaker 2: want to see Zach succeed. The league needs Zach. This
Speaker 2: is a big market. The league needs the Jets to
Speaker 2: be prime time. They need Zact to be good. We
Speaker 2: all need This league is built on quarterback play. We
Speaker 2: need great quarterback play. We need Zact to develop and
Speaker 2: be good.
Speaker 1: Do you see the similarities with the Sanchez situation? Different rosters,
Speaker 1: but just talking about the top level elite defense, the personnel,
Speaker 1: really good running back.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if you can consistently win that
Speaker 3: way anymore, because the game has opened up a lot
Speaker 3: more since you know, I left the league a long
Speaker 3: time ago, right, So I think you can.
Speaker 4: You can. It can be a variation of that.
Speaker 3: You can kind of try and win kind of how
Speaker 3: like Tennessee used to win with great defense and running
Speaker 3: the ball at a high level, you know, And maybe
Speaker 3: you call up easy and now you have four backs
Speaker 3: up so you can keep that stable going to keep
Speaker 3: everybody fresh, because I still think you don't want to
Speaker 3: get Brice hall numbers.
Speaker 4: Up too much. Right now.
Speaker 3: We got to see how that knee handles when he
Speaker 3: gets fatigued, when the fatigue of the season starts to
Speaker 3: bear down on you. So I much rather try and
Speaker 3: keep him fresh. So I think you may bring up
Speaker 3: four running backs and then consider that being like pony packages,
Speaker 3: because you're saying, okay, well maybe we put a tight
Speaker 3: end down because now we got your four backs up,
Speaker 3: but we use that personnel. And I love to see
Speaker 3: Breece Hall run a will route. I love to see
Speaker 3: Izzy at what a four to two or four to
Speaker 3: three and forced to see off linebacks and keep up one.
Speaker 4: Right on the old goal route.
Speaker 3: Right because and also what I need to see is
Speaker 3: the adjustment that I believe the Buffalo Bills made. They
Speaker 3: understand that Dix has tough matchups on the outside to
Speaker 3: read and salt. What do they do They move them
Speaker 3: in the slot and match him up against Michael Carter.
Speaker 3: But also that allowed him to get free releases. You
Speaker 3: want easy throws for for Garrett Wilson as well. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, so I would see putting him in the
Speaker 3: slought a lot more so that he can get free
Speaker 3: releases and get space. And we know how quick he
Speaker 3: is in space and keeping guys to keep up with
Speaker 3: his quickness, his vertical acceleration, also his lateral quickness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Jets went big number of those packages. I
Speaker 1: like what I saw out of Jeremy Rutgers in a
Speaker 1: blocking game, and they do.
Speaker 2: They played a lot of thirteen personnel. Yeah, played a
Speaker 2: lot of three tight end sets. Look, it just stretches
Speaker 2: all the gaps and double double. The eighty three yard
Speaker 2: run by Breeche was off three tight ends and Rutgers
Speaker 2: did a good job of ceiling with Uzama right there
Speaker 2: and Conkling, and he had one guy to beat and
Speaker 2: that was Stredavious White and beat him and he was
Speaker 2: off to the races.
Speaker 3: You didn't breaking and bring him down with a hand
Speaker 3: with an arm tackle. But the thing is as well,
Speaker 3: when you talk about that package, you know Breecee did
Speaker 3: a great job in understanding that the space was going
Speaker 3: to reduce. It's not where the defender how much space
Speaker 3: you have when you're you know, start to run. He
Speaker 3: knew that it was going to reduce, and he trusted
Speaker 3: that the tight ends on the double team was gonna
Speaker 3: continue to get movement. And you know, uh to Davis
Speaker 3: the patient, Yeah, but that's what you have to be
Speaker 3: because Davis understands he can't get he can't let anybody
Speaker 3: circle the defense. So he wasn't taking the error away
Speaker 3: and that's the edge reduced. That created just enough space
Speaker 3: for Breefe to thread him outside to just get vertical
Speaker 3: and corners aren't put in those situations. As a linebacker,
Speaker 3: I know I have to continue to take the space
Speaker 3: and stay on the upfilled shoulder not to allow him
Speaker 3: to get outside. But if the double team continues, even
Speaker 3: you see it a lot of times with tackles and
Speaker 3: guards when they have the tight end, they creating that space.
Speaker 3: To widen that bubble, you have to continue to take
Speaker 3: that space away by coming downhill. And corners don't want
Speaker 3: that smoke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, no, you're mare for cornerbacks on that.
Speaker 3: But that's what you do. You say, Okay, you got
Speaker 3: a great corner that can that can cover. We're gonna
Speaker 3: see if he can tackle today, and the most corners,
Speaker 3: like Deona said, show me, show me a quarter that
Speaker 3: could cover.
Speaker 4: I tell you what it came to.
Speaker 1: We could talk about Dion for a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: what he's doing right.
Speaker 2: I mean, Rex's famous line was like, I don't care
Speaker 2: if my corners can tackle. I got nine other guys
Speaker 2: that can tackle, exactly. I don't want corners save touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Because they had fifty seven out there making all those plays.
Speaker 1: All right, So do you like the cord that Robert
Speaker 1: Salaz struck early this week when he was talking to
Speaker 1: the media and said, I don't know about you guys
Speaker 1: right now, obituary on this team just yet.
Speaker 4: There's a good line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a good line, and I think he believes it.
Speaker 2: And but you have to sell that. You have to
Speaker 2: sell that it's about the team. It's not about one guy.
Speaker 2: As good as that one guy is. It's not about
Speaker 2: one guy. It's about the team and the team and
Speaker 2: he that was proven on Monday night against Look, the
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills just won the division three years in a row.
Speaker 3: Like there's a team to be no wash the Bills
Speaker 3: and how they play later and they'd be like, oh,
Speaker 3: Josh Allen can't play.
Speaker 4: No, it's a Jets problem. Defense is that good? It's
Speaker 4: like one of those things you got to give credit
Speaker 4: to the opponent, and I think.
Speaker 1: We overreact for everything. Josh Allen stakes, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jets that openly touchdown is Van Diggs was like,
Speaker 2: not many players can make that.
Speaker 3: The Jets make them stink because they keep him under
Speaker 3: constant durest. And in this game, when you have a
Speaker 3: defense that can play at a high level, right, all
Speaker 3: it takes is three miscalculations or four or five.
Speaker 4: Josh Allen probably probably had.
Speaker 3: You know, if he go looked at the film, he
Speaker 3: may have had like seventy eighty percent great plays, but
Speaker 3: that twenty percent is forced by you know, the the defense,
Speaker 3: you know, putting him under the rest him getting hit
Speaker 3: the Raiders this week, so.
Speaker 2: That nine quarterback hits five sacks, right, so he he
Speaker 2: takes his eyes off the ball a simple snap, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because he take his eyes off the snap.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's coming. Yeah. So, like that's what makes
Speaker 4: you flinch. Like not everything can make you do that.
Speaker 2: That comes from two organizations and two coaches that basically said,
Speaker 2: if you hit quarterbacks early, they're gonna give it to
Speaker 2: you late. And like I Rex used to say that,
Speaker 2: like that's that's how they thought in Baltimore. Like that's
Speaker 2: what you got it. Like you you make it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what the name of the back of the jersey is.
Speaker 2: You hit these guys early. Like, believe me, they they
Speaker 2: eternal clock. That eternal clock speeds up.
Speaker 1: Get the head of snick. That's the bottom line. And
Speaker 1: the Jets got the numbers to do that each and
Speaker 1: every week. Okay, Dallas, what do you think about Not
Speaker 1: so much looking back and saying the Giants what they
Speaker 1: did to the Giants, but more so styles make fights.
Speaker 1: So how did the Jets match up with the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: Well, you can't, like look, Dallas scored two special teams
Speaker 2: in defensive touchdown. I mean that opened the game wide open.
Speaker 2: Giants couldn't recover from them. So you can't you can't
Speaker 2: make those kind of mistakes.
Speaker 4: But if you do.
Speaker 2: They were down in fourth quarter thirteen to three, they
Speaker 2: came back. I would say that make Dak Prescott beat
Speaker 2: you like play like they got one big play to
Speaker 2: CD the other day off a pick play against man
Speaker 2: coverage sixty four.
Speaker 4: I have something like that, like one sixty. He didn't
Speaker 4: have to have a great.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to have a So you know, Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy took the ball out of his hands. Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard is a quality back. I don't know that they
Speaker 2: have a second back, so like beat him, you know.
Speaker 4: Look, yeah, no, no, we can go ahead and say.
Speaker 2: Sometimes in there's a world bart like you say things
Speaker 2: that we used to say. Yeah, gets you in trouble.
Speaker 2: But see how much you want to play, you know,
Speaker 2: make him feel your punch. Let me put it that way,
Speaker 2: to feel your punch.
Speaker 1: But you like this matchup in the secondary because you
Speaker 1: think the Jets are going to be challenged by a
Speaker 1: good set of receivers too.
Speaker 3: I do, And I think sometimes you just mix the
Speaker 3: coverage up, you mix up variations of zone and man
Speaker 3: two man. I think you're dropping whole whole guys down there.
Speaker 3: You drop some rat some rat players, right, you think,
Speaker 3: right now, White hens playing at a high level. He's
Speaker 3: seeing the field very well, right. I think you make
Speaker 3: Dak fitted into tight spots. And we know tip balls
Speaker 3: change games, right, So when you got tight man coverage,
Speaker 3: you challenge these guys as the line of scrimmage because
Speaker 3: I think you know it may have been a little
Speaker 3: bit more difficult. Tyron Smith is when healthy, is one
Speaker 3: of the best. But then I think Jermaine Johnson played well.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Carl Lawson is going to be
Speaker 3: up this week, but that's what you pay those guys
Speaker 3: for your first round draft pick for a reason. And
Speaker 3: you're a high price free agent for us for a
Speaker 3: reason for these type of games.
Speaker 4: Give him hell, right.
Speaker 3: And on the other side, listen, Quinny, this is what
Speaker 3: people want to see you the best versus the best.
Speaker 3: So let's let's measure yourself against a nine times all pro.
Speaker 4: Let's see if you want that smoke.
Speaker 3: I remember like we would come in on Wednesdays and
Speaker 3: be like, hey Linbrack's got tough lifting today, right, we
Speaker 3: got LT. We're gonna dominate LT, right, and we were
Speaker 3: always real. I was with the Jets or I was
Speaker 3: with the Ravens. We were all waves up for a challenge, right.
Speaker 3: We didn't give up many hundred yard rushers, and we
Speaker 3: took pride in that right. And you gotta understand set
Speaker 3: the standard, like all right, when everybody watched this damn film.
Speaker 3: This film ain't for for this week. It's for this week,
Speaker 3: next week and the week before, like whoa, whoa, and
Speaker 3: hold them like we say, hold him up early in
Speaker 3: the game, hold him up, don't take him down. We
Speaker 3: all gonna get we all gonna get a piece of this.
Speaker 3: We all don't take him down. If you got him,
Speaker 3: wrap him around the waist and let everybody take these
Speaker 3: Sammy saucer shots at him right quick, and let's see
Speaker 3: what happens when these body blows in the second half.
Speaker 1: I'm here all day, get through this skun all day.
Speaker 2: You can't go hunting for interceptions. You have to anticipate it,
Speaker 2: tip balls, all those things happen. But Dak Prescott did
Speaker 2: lead this league in interceptions last year, and he threw
Speaker 2: two more in the postseason against San Francisco. He gets
Speaker 2: in trouble late in his progressions and like a lot
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks like, Okay, CD's not open right there, Ferguson's closed,
Speaker 2: I'm coming back over the middle here, and you get
Speaker 2: him late in the progression with that rush coming at
Speaker 2: him like he he Now he can say that's half again,
Speaker 2: you can say it. But if I'm Sauce, if I'm DJ,
Speaker 2: if I'm Carter, if I'm Whitehead, I'm thinking there's gonna
Speaker 2: be two or three that he's gonna throw. It's either
Speaker 2: they're gonna make the play or we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Make the play.
Speaker 2: Like you can get them, there's no doubt you can
Speaker 2: get them. And you got to think like that. But
Speaker 2: you can't go hunting for it and take chances in gamble.
Speaker 2: You got to play your defense. But you got to
Speaker 2: keep your eyes open because there're gonna be some opportunities.
Speaker 1: And the Jets. Jets are staying on the national stage
Speaker 1: because after Monday Night Football, where I think they just
Speaker 1: set a ratings record against them, they're going to Dallas.
Speaker 1: They're going to Big.
Speaker 4: D afternoon game.
Speaker 1: Yea doubleheader slot.
Speaker 4: Everybody's watching.
Speaker 1: Everybody's watching, So.
Speaker 4: This is what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great opportunity for a long time.
Speaker 2: This organization played at one o'clock. They were home and
Speaker 2: they're lazy boy at five watching the Lake game, Like
Speaker 2: this is what you want to show your in prime
Speaker 2: time right now?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And the biggest ratings grab and this whole league is
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and it's their home opener, right But I
Speaker 2: played in Dallas part and if you get I don't
Speaker 2: care what year it is. I don't care who the
Speaker 2: coach is. When the Cowboys are getting beat in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, fans they're not sticking around like they did
Speaker 2: the other day.
Speaker 4: They'll leave him.
Speaker 2: They're getting too the parking lot, they're beating the traffic,
Speaker 2: like there's no better feeling that if you come into
Speaker 2: Dallas at and T Stadium and you see fans leaving,
Speaker 2: there's no better feeling.
Speaker 3: I want to see a guy, see I take a
Speaker 3: person like whenever you go against guys, like when you're
Speaker 3: trying to sin and become a superstar, you take it personal.
Speaker 3: So if I'm goy like Vera Tucker, I said, y'all
Speaker 3: think he the guy, let me show.
Speaker 4: You what I got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to see them pulling the next generation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want I want to see them pulling Vera Tucker.
Speaker 3: I want them to highlight Vera Tucker in this run game.
Speaker 3: He's one of the in my opinion. If he would
Speaker 3: have got hurt and he would have just played guard
Speaker 3: last year, he'd have been a Pro Bowler and this
Speaker 3: year he'd have been on schedule for All progre He's
Speaker 3: one of the best, most versatile, but he's selfless, right,
Speaker 3: so he moved the tackle if you need him to
Speaker 3: and play at a high level, and I give up
Speaker 3: any sacks. Before the injury, he was playing some of
Speaker 3: the best football that I've seen from offensive line.
Speaker 2: I remember Zeke talking about Jack Martin. Youre talking about
Speaker 2: Jack Martin, the right guard, Yes, in his tenth year
Speaker 2: right now, and he just got paid like he held out,
Speaker 2: didn't go to training camp, and they paid him. And
Speaker 2: I remember Zeke saying a couple of years ago, our
Speaker 2: best player is number seventy. He goes I don't care
Speaker 2: if the play is supposed to go left, it ends
Speaker 2: up behind seventy. And when you watch the Cowboys play,
Speaker 2: it ends up behind the right guard. He's just that good,
Speaker 2: and so Quinny goes up against him. You want to
Speaker 2: get matched up. You want to show everybody like while
Speaker 2: you're worth the check that the Jets wrote, Like beat
Speaker 2: Zack Martin, beat Zack Martin the way you beat that
Speaker 2: center the other day, Like you do that that catches
Speaker 2: everybody's eye.
Speaker 1: All right, Prime time performances from both of you guys today.
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