Speaker 1: Shannon the Door was driving under the influence, hit someone's property,
Speaker 1: hit and run, then pretended she was I guess walking
Speaker 1: her dog. And people are making fun of it on
Speaker 1: social media, and I swear to you, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm getting softer in my old age. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I ever would have made fun of that.
Speaker 1: I felt compassion first. I don't even know if it
Speaker 1: was just for her, but just like I felt like, oh, amazing,
Speaker 1: this is somebody to drag. Now. It is not admirable
Speaker 1: to drive under the influence. She is not the first
Speaker 1: person to ever have done it. It is certainly less
Speaker 1: admirable to crash into someone's property and then it's a
Speaker 1: hit and run. It certainly makes you think of what
Speaker 1: if it was a person and driving under the influence
Speaker 1: is so disgusting and so selfish and what if you
Speaker 1: hurt someone? But people are happy about it. That's what
Speaker 1: freaks me out. Like it's not like people are like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's really unsafe and unfortunate and irresponsible. People are like laughing,
Speaker 1: like ooh, I guess this other one on the show
Speaker 1: is gonna be excited. Like that's what's getting disgusting about
Speaker 1: reality TV. That people are just thinking of it as
Speaker 1: content and like that. I guess she made fun of
Speaker 1: somebody else's duy, a girl, Gina on the show, and
Speaker 1: so now that girl gets to make fun of her,
Speaker 1: and then this is going to be the talk of
Speaker 1: the reunion. And it's really fucked up. Like it's really
Speaker 1: fucked up. And it's not the first thing my body
Speaker 1: thought of. I just I swear on my life, my
Speaker 1: body thought of, oh my god, I'm so glad everyone's okay,
Speaker 1: because a dui is fucked and it's just it's a
Speaker 1: turn off. It's bad. But then that you could really
Speaker 1: kill somebody and hurt somebody, and there could have been
Speaker 1: a kid on the lawn of that house, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's very scary. It's just very unfortunate. And I
Speaker 1: think of I've been thinking of Tamra lately because Tamra.
Speaker 1: I think she sort of came out against my either
Speaker 1: Raquel interview or something else. Tamra's the type of person
Speaker 1: that if you like, you know, if you say one
Speaker 1: thing towards her, she like has to snap back and
Speaker 1: is very you know, she's spiteful. She has to like
Speaker 1: go for it. Because I've said really positive things about
Speaker 1: her before and being a goat and an amazing housewife.
Speaker 1: And I talked about an episode that she was on
Speaker 1: on The Housewives of OC, the Naked Wasted one, on
Speaker 1: how it was an example of this genre of television
Speaker 1: where it's a genre where it's okay for women to
Speaker 1: get somebody wasted and then someone's son to go force
Speaker 1: themselves on another person and the cameras don't stop. I
Speaker 1: don't blame Tamra for that anymore than I blame anybody
Speaker 1: else or myself or the things that I've done on
Speaker 1: reality television and said that don't reflect who I am
Speaker 1: in a normal, non stressful environment. I never blame the talent.
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't blame the talent. I don't blame when
Speaker 1: you're on the field, and when you're in the Hunger Games,
Speaker 1: it is kill or be killed. It is a zero
Speaker 1: sum game. You are there to drive ratings, and it's
Speaker 1: taken me years and years to rinse it off. And
Speaker 1: in the way that it takes like over a year
Speaker 1: or two for your body to bounce back after having
Speaker 1: a baby, it takes years for your psyche, your mind,
Speaker 1: and your emotional well being to bounce back after being
Speaker 1: on the Housewives and being really good at it. Many
Speaker 1: people try it, are bad at it, leave and that's
Speaker 1: probably because they're too ethical, too good. It's just not
Speaker 1: worth it. But I was very good at it, and
Speaker 1: I was all in with it, and it took me
Speaker 1: a really long time to realize all the things that
Speaker 1: are not correct about it as a genre. And I'm
Speaker 1: not a hypocrite. I'm just a person who's older and
Speaker 1: wiser and doesn't have to do that for money anymore.
Speaker 1: So I do not blame tamorra anymore than I blame
Speaker 1: anyone else, anymore than I blame Raquel or Tom or
Speaker 1: anyone else. It does not reflect real life. I am sorry.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this episode of New York
Speaker 1: when Barbara was caught saying something about Tom Luan's fiance.
Speaker 1: She had a hot mic, and they aired it because
Speaker 1: there is no line with reality television and the producers
Speaker 1: that people think of their friends. Their number one goal
Speaker 1: is ratings, so Barbara. So it's legal in New York
Speaker 1: to record a phone call. So I could get on
Speaker 1: the phone with Paul and say some things to him,
Speaker 1: and he could say some things to me that are
Speaker 1: private and I could record it and I could air
Speaker 1: it here on this podcast, and it is legal. Does
Speaker 1: that make it right? And he's signed up for this relationship,
Speaker 1: but he's with a crazy person and a public person.
Speaker 1: Does that make that right? And why I say that
Speaker 1: is that that incident ruined Barbara and Lewan's relationship because
Speaker 1: Barbara was saying negative things about Tom on a hot mic.
Speaker 1: She did not ever or intend anyone to hear. She
Speaker 1: signed a release because she was gonna be at a party,
Speaker 1: but she didn't sign on that every thought that she
Speaker 1: has in her mind, by the thought police is going
Speaker 1: to be aired for profit content. She's not a housewife
Speaker 1: like even there are so many things that we say
Speaker 1: that we regret on camera when we know we're being recorded.
Speaker 1: That that's dangerous enough, that's a risk enough. Now talk
Speaker 1: about if you're on a hot mic. That's so frightening.
Speaker 1: And I say this because I was watching It's the
Speaker 1: one where Lenny has a hot mic and he's in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and he's talking about how he's been sleeping
Speaker 1: with someone else and he's leaving Lisa. Now, I've met
Speaker 1: Lisa a couple times. I think she's very nice. I
Speaker 1: like her. There are many housewives I've met from other
Speaker 1: cities that I really like, just like many housewives from
Speaker 1: other cities have met me that they really like. And
Speaker 1: then there are people from New York Housewives that could
Speaker 1: hate me because they get a different experience than my nice,
Speaker 1: pleasant relationship with Phaedra or Lisa Hoxney because we're not
Speaker 1: at war together, we're not on the back I feel together.
Speaker 1: So Lisa would feel very differently about Larsa if they
Speaker 1: didn't work together on that toxic battlefield. So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I like Lisa. I think she's very nice.
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about her, but I don't
Speaker 1: know about her marriage. I met her on a trip.
Speaker 1: We all went on a trip together, Lenny, her and
Speaker 1: like fifty people, and they seem fun and she's the
Speaker 1: life of the party. But that doesn't mean I know her.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to judge her or Lenny, except
Speaker 1: that I'm team Lisa because I've met her, I like her,
Speaker 1: and I'm going with the girl. But that's still even
Speaker 1: Let's pretend he's a full scumbag he got engaged with
Speaker 1: someone else. These two aren't legally divorced. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I might have done that too. I think I might
Speaker 1: have done that too. I think Kim Kardashian did that.
Speaker 1: I think people have done that. Okay, I'm not sitting
Speaker 1: here in judgment. I'm saying on a television show, Lenny
Speaker 1: wasn't on camera, he's not the housewife, he's not being paid.
Speaker 1: He's signed a release because he's part of this, but like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like he's really loving being on the
Speaker 1: show overall or in this instant. He's on a hot
Speaker 1: mic talking about cheating on his wife, talking about maybe
Speaker 1: leaving her. Does that mean it's right that they air
Speaker 1: that He didn't consent to that content going public, He
Speaker 1: didn't want it going public just because he signed a release.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that, like it should be a loophole
Speaker 1: and their relationship secrets should be aired. What if she
Speaker 1: thought that the fucking trainer at her gym was hot
Speaker 1: and told one of her friends he's got a fucking
Speaker 1: hot ass and I'd hit that. Does that mean that
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be aired because it's like because she
Speaker 1: thought it? Like, And I'm not defending Lenny by any
Speaker 1: stretch of anyone's imagination. He's I've already publicly, you know,
Speaker 1: said watching him get engaged was like picking out of
Speaker 1: a garbage bin, you know, a discount bin, you know,
Speaker 1: for the five dollars bin. I've already said that. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about a construct of being on a hot
Speaker 1: mic and not knowing that what you're saying is going
Speaker 1: to be used on television. Like, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a line with that. It wasn't something he wanted out there,
Speaker 1: and he's not the main character. And people are in
Speaker 1: relationships that cheat and then they still stay together. People
Speaker 1: are in relationships where one person doesn't really want to know.
Speaker 1: Many people Luan didn't want to know. Many women don't
Speaker 1: want to know. More women don't want to know than
Speaker 1: do because what if they can't afford to get a divorce.
Speaker 1: Ignorance is bliss? What if they have an open relationship.
Speaker 1: So it's just something that hit me when I watched it,
Speaker 1: because I thought they'll stop at nothing. It's just it's
Speaker 1: for profit, and he did sign up for it. I
Speaker 1: get that, but there has to be a line. He
Speaker 1: signed up, But it should be like if you know
Speaker 1: you're being filmed, that's what should air. It should not
Speaker 1: be like you not everything you have. You think every
Speaker 1: thing I've thought about my relationship with Paul should not
Speaker 1: be public. I wouldn't want everyone to know. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: love everything I've said to my friends about my relationship.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't love everything he said to his therapist about me.
Speaker 1: That's not what real life is. Barbara and Luan would
Speaker 1: still probably be friends to this day if it wasn't
Speaker 1: a hot mic on a show that she wasn't being
Speaker 1: paid to be on because she had signed a release
Speaker 1: to enter a building that's fucked up. It it affected
Speaker 1: their relationship forever. So I don't care if it's wrong
Speaker 1: to talk about this medium because I was paid and
Speaker 1: made a lot of money and signed up for it.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I just I'm seeing things differently. And
Speaker 1: when I did tell Luanne about the Tom affair, I
Speaker 1: told it on camera it was for profit content. I
Speaker 1: own that. I recognize that. I get that that was
Speaker 1: kill or be killed, that was the Hunger Games, that
Speaker 1: was the Unsullied, And I wasn't friends of Luanna, and
Speaker 1: I didn't really care. And you're either being killed or
Speaker 1: killing so you want, you need, you need the on
Speaker 1: someone else as they needed on you. At all times,
Speaker 1: because you never know when you're gonna have to use it.
Speaker 1: It's war, and no honest housewife will tell you any different.
Speaker 1: They all know it's fucking war. If you have it,
Speaker 1: the producers want it coming into the show, and if
Speaker 1: you have it, you'll save it for a rainy day
Speaker 1: because you will need it. Ooh, okay, a couple of
Speaker 1: things housewives. Two housewives have reached out to me whose
Speaker 1: stories you would want to hear. I've only ever had
Speaker 1: Jill Zarin, and that was more about a reunion than
Speaker 1: about housewives. But we didn't even really. Yeah, we did talk.
Speaker 1: We rewatched Housewives, but I did not have her on
Speaker 1: because she was a housewife. I had her on because
Speaker 1: we were close friends and we reunited. Housewives have wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about things that you would find very entertaining
Speaker 1: and would be very clickbaity and very provocative. Bravo block them.
Speaker 1: Bravo for bade Housewives not in writing from doing this show.
Speaker 1: That's some tea, okay. In other news, I said to
Speaker 1: Paul about Maurice doing Dancing with the Stars. Maurice is
Speaker 1: the only person who has four names, Mo, Mauricio, Maudicio
Speaker 1: or Maurice. I've met Maurice as Maurice, and I think
Speaker 1: his friends called him mo Maudi cio is I think
Speaker 1: what his family would probably call him. Mauricio is also
Speaker 1: his name. He's got four names. He's who else has
Speaker 1: four names? I gotta give him that he could be
Speaker 1: a different name each week of Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's brilliant of him to
Speaker 1: do it. I think it's brilliant of them to ask him.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that he's doing it before Kyle.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine why Kyle hasn't done it. She loves dancing.
Speaker 1: Fun fact, I've been asked to do it since the
Speaker 1: very beginning. I was asked to be a celebrity apprentice
Speaker 1: since the very beginning too, But same with Dancing with
Speaker 1: the Stars, and I've always turned it down, not because
Speaker 1: I'm better than it or anything. Brinn was young, going
Speaker 1: out to La to do it was never a possibility,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I haven't wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: Is that is that just a good enough answer? But
Speaker 1: I was the first housewife to be asked to do it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to do it, and I love
Speaker 1: it and I love them and I love ABC and
Speaker 1: it's great, but I can't give a good reason. And
Speaker 1: the casting person always emails she's love and amazing and
Speaker 1: it's a great show. So I think it's brilliant of
Speaker 1: Maurice to do it, brilliant of ABC to ask him,
Speaker 1: brilliant of Dina Katz to think of him. I do
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that Kyle hasn't done it. Kyle's now
Speaker 1: leaned into I guess Maurice being famous some tea. He's
Speaker 1: always wanted it really badly, and he did help push
Speaker 1: that whole business and that whole fame model in their
Speaker 1: home forward. I mean, Beverly Hills is very much a
Speaker 1: show of husbands and wives, and Maurice, you know, the
Speaker 1: hot house husband, and he's been part of that equation.
Speaker 1: I know that. You know it's a double edged sword.
Speaker 1: I know Durinda experienced it understandably when you bring in
Speaker 1: your partner and like, now they're becoming famous and doing
Speaker 1: carpets too, and it's not really about the fame, but
Speaker 1: it sometimes turns you off when they now are all
Speaker 1: into Instagram and social media when they weren't like that,
Speaker 1: when they're loving the light and it's double standard because
Speaker 1: you're doing it and you love the light, or you
Speaker 1: may not love the light, but you're in the light
Speaker 1: and you're the peacock, and then when they become the
Speaker 1: peacock too, it can be challenging if people didn't enter
Speaker 1: that together. It's always best when one person doesn't really
Speaker 1: want it and kind of just is there to indulge you,
Speaker 1: but when the other person really wants it, which Maurice
Speaker 1: definitely does. And I know that because Kyle didn't want
Speaker 1: Maurice to kind of be doing his own TV stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was. We had it. We share
Speaker 1: an agent years ago, and the agent was getting on
Speaker 1: the phone with Maurice about this other show, not Housewives,
Speaker 1: and said, do you want me to get Kyle on?
Speaker 1: Because it was kind of going to be their thing,
Speaker 1: but I don't, you know, it was really his thing.
Speaker 1: It was their thing, but it was his thing the
Speaker 1: way The Housewives was her thing and she wasn't that
Speaker 1: into that, which I get. You know, they did the Housewives.
Speaker 1: It was a means to an end. Let's build our businesses,
Speaker 1: let's make money, but we don't need to like have
Speaker 1: you over there doing your own show. That's also going
Speaker 1: on with Heather Dubreu and Terry where he's a big star.
Speaker 1: Now that's got to be fairly annoying, I'm sure. So
Speaker 1: it was happening where Maurice was trying to get his
Speaker 1: own show, which and he said to the agent when
Speaker 1: the agent said let's get kylong because she was like
Speaker 1: the primary client, Oh, don't worry, we don't need to
Speaker 1: get her on, because he really wanted it. So Maurice
Speaker 1: has wanted the light and the fame, and that's his prerogative.
Speaker 1: You know, he has a business, he's liked the attention,
Speaker 1: he's become wealthy. He used to be in the garment industry.
Speaker 1: He's very forward facing. People have thought he's very hot.
Speaker 1: He's wanted the light, and maybe that's part of what
Speaker 1: happened in their relationship. You know, they came in together
Speaker 1: and she was the peacock. And now he's on Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars and he might be wearing a peacock costume.
Speaker 1: Who knows, he might be on the mask singer soon
Speaker 1: wearing a peacock costume. It's just always challenging when there
Speaker 1: are two peacocks in a relationship. It's interesting that Maurice
Speaker 1: is going to be on Dancing with the Stars. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she'll cheer him on. I'm sure the kids will
Speaker 1: be there too. He's got his own shows buying Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, you can't fight the ocean. So
Speaker 1: once Maurice started being beloved by the audience and started
Speaker 1: being funny and they became a famous duo and they
Speaker 1: do commercials and stuff together, Kyle probably just leaned in
Speaker 1: and said, Maurice is famous. Now. All boats rise with
Speaker 1: the tide and it's all going into the family pot anyway.
Speaker 1: So I hope to see Kyle watching Maurice. I hope
Speaker 1: to see him dancing the night away and congratulations and
Speaker 1: I'm excited, and the audience is going to love it.
Speaker 1: But headline, it's brilliant across the board.