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Speaker 1: our friends at Zone Pouches. And I've been moving offices

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Speaker 1: so we got a lot of moving parts here. We

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Speaker 1: have a big announcement actually, I think on Friday after

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Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk to it today. Who was benched.

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Speaker 1: whenever a guy who makes a ton of money is benched,

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Speaker 1: usually there are big picture ramifications. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: get a guy injured, much more difficult to then wave

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Speaker 1: him injured. Obviously, his trade value goes down dramatically. Usually

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Speaker 1: there's a kicker at the beginning of the new league year,

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Speaker 1: like there was for Tua this year, which guaranteed him

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Speaker 1: I think fifty four million dollars next season, so well financially.

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Speaker 1: But I think there are two schools of thought. Whether

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Speaker 1: but this is like, hey, maybe we catch lightning in

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Speaker 1: The owner gives him the power to make you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't. This isn't a polarizing move, but just I

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Speaker 1: mean a headliner, a decision to essentially when you bench

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Speaker 1: to Ataga bai Loa. His career for the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 1: it out. Well, John, it would only get more expensive,

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Speaker 1: And in that game against Pittsford, he didn't have a

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Speaker 1: Obviously Josh throws it better than Cam, more consistent thrower,

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Speaker 1: you know, Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: short list of human beings. So if you can find

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Speaker 1: a guy six foot five that can run with a

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Speaker 1: huge arm, as accurate and high character, then yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the number one goal always is to pick the

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Speaker 1: best players. And I think when you force quarterbacks, right,

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Speaker 1: if you can get Fernando Mendoz, if you're a Browns fan,

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Speaker 1: you do it. But if there's not any other guys

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Speaker 1: and you can't get him, like, just take another Mason Graham,

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Speaker 1: take another you know, Joe Thomas. Build the team and

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Speaker 1: then when you are situated ideally, like in a perfect world,

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers wanted Josh all That's why they

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Speaker 1: drafted Trey Lane. It just blew up in their face,

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Speaker 1: and then the football gods threw them a bone with

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Speaker 1: brock Purty. But like the forty nine Ers were doing

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Speaker 1: exactly what the Bills did and what the Browns tried

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Speaker 1: to do with Deshaun Watson. They took a huge swing.

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Speaker 1: They tried to get a star. It's hard, you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with human beings. The positions really hard. Obviously the forty

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Speaker 1: nine Ers process on that whole thing was flawed. But

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Speaker 1: that's a conversation for a different day. A question for

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Speaker 1: the bag. I'm pretty much assuming Solig it's a head

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Speaker 1: coaching job after this offseason. I have some names to

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Speaker 1: replace him, Raheem Morris. Shanahan has mentioned many times about

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Speaker 1: how much respect he has for him and how he's

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Speaker 1: tried hiring in the past. Schwartz. Stefanski is most likely

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Speaker 1: going to get fired, so Schwartz could become available. He's

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Speaker 1: had success against Kyle And here's the wild card, Spags.

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Speaker 1: What if the Chiefs shake things up? Spin reported Niners

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Speaker 1: tried hiring Spags after they file fired Wilkes. I think

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Speaker 1: Raheem Morris is the most natural transition. He knows him well,

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Speaker 1: he's comfortable running a defense that Kyle is comfortable playing

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Speaker 1: and running. That would be the number one choice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kyle's proven now going back to Sala, he wants someone

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Speaker 1: he's comfortable with running his defense. The Spags thing a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago was more at a desperation they

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Speaker 1: were losing guys. I think that was after Demiko. They

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Speaker 1: didn't really have any options, and I think at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, Spags used them a little bit

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Speaker 1: to get more money, which he should. The Jim Schwartz thing,

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Speaker 1: Jim has a ton of success historically against Kyle as

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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator and as the head coach. I think

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Speaker 1: he's beat him, like I think Kyle's like two and

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Speaker 1: eight or two and nine, maybe it was two and ten,

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Speaker 1: I mean, whatever the record is. And there was video

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Speaker 1: of him at the game when they played the Browns

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Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, them talking. I mean clearly he

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Speaker 1: respects him a lot. That would definitely be a name

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Now. Jim Swartz got a

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Speaker 1: big ego, you know, so I think part of it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, when he's got Salah and he's got Raheem

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Speaker 1: that they have a very very close personal relationship, you know,

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Speaker 1: hiring Schwartz, It's not like you can tell Schwartz what

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Speaker 1: to do, and you don't know him that well personally,

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Speaker 1: I would assume. Besides, just like competing against them, I'd

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Speaker 1: say Raheem Morris is way more likely than Jim Schwartz.

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Speaker 1: Coming into the season, most people thought the Raiders would

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Speaker 1: be much better and an improved football team with the

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Speaker 1: additions of Pete, Spytech and Gino and Jenti. However, they

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Speaker 1: look worse. My question is, do you think if they

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Speaker 1: just kept Pierce for another season they would be better? Also,

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Speaker 1: was ap the issue? Uh, Pete's been a disaster like that,

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Speaker 1: There's no arguing Pete's. Pete feels like a guy that

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Speaker 1: should just quit. Now. I understand you don't quit because

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Speaker 1: you want to get paid whatever they owe you, But

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Speaker 1: like this Pete thing's over. It's pretty clear Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: could not come back. And I think what they tried

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Speaker 1: to do is spy Tech, who came on this podcast too.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in and he reminds me a

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Speaker 1: lot of Adam Peters. He's gonna be fine. But like

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Speaker 1: John Spi, Tech wasn't the guy hiring Pete Carroll, but

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Speaker 1: that's Tom, and then Tom's forcing Chip Kelly on him.

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Speaker 1: I think there has to be some balance of when

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Speaker 1: you hired Pete Carroll, you know what the move was

503
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Speaker 1: last offseason? They should have traded Max Crosby. They should

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Speaker 1: have detonated and blown it up. But Pete Carroll's ninety

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Speaker 1: five years old. What did he want to do? Trade

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Speaker 1: for Gino? Keep Max? It's like it was just it

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Speaker 1: was a it was a situation where you should have

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Speaker 1: thought big picture. Pete's not guaranteed to be alive in

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Speaker 1: five years. I mean, Pete's living in the moment, and

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Speaker 1: rightfully so so I I think they just made a

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Speaker 1: disaster higher, and when you make a disaster, you're higher

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. It impacts the way you build a team,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously the product you see on the field

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Speaker 1: speaks for itself. There seems to be a broad acceptance

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Speaker 1: that Kittle will eventually be a Hall of Famer. Why

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Speaker 1: is there not similar discussion around ertz ertzs more career touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: more career receiving yards, and played a huge role in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl that he actually won. I think this

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Speaker 1: discussion is a little nuanced one. I say it pretty

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Speaker 1: liberally that he's going to be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's guaranteed. Now, I would say one

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Speaker 1: difference is ER's a three time Pro bowler. Kittle, after

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Speaker 1: this season will be a seven time Pro bowler. I

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Speaker 1: think one major difference is Kittle's been a first or

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Speaker 1: second team All Pro so far five times, and this

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Speaker 1: year could be six. And zach Ertz is on a receiver.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a lot like he's kind of like

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Speaker 1: the poor man's version. And I mean this as a

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Speaker 1: compliment of Kelsey slot receiver. No one can cover, but

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Speaker 1: he can't block. Now, if you are as great as

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Speaker 1: Kelsey is, then no one even cares. But like, his

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Speaker 1: numbers compared to Kelsey's are not even the same ballpark. Meanwhile, George,

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Speaker 1: I think the run game element to his game. Now. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ertz had one twenty eighteen eight, one hundred and sixteen catches.

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Speaker 1: It was a career year. But you know, seventy four,

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Speaker 1: seventy eight he's had some fifty six. I don't view ers,

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how to say it. Beside it,

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Speaker 1: I don't view Ertz as a Hall of famer. I

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Speaker 1: view Kittle as one. If you told me I could

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Speaker 1: get either guy at twenty four years old for the

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Speaker 1: next ten years, I would take George Kittle over zach Ertz.

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Speaker 1: And that's not diminishing anything. Zach has accomplished touchdown in

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, huge catches over the course of his career,

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Speaker 1: super high level guy. Zach Ertz is a winning player.

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Speaker 1: I just think Kittle is a much more complete player.

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Speaker 1: A big fan of the podcast Colin, I have to

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Speaker 1: stay up to see postgame reactions. As someone who went

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Speaker 1: to cal Pauly. What's the social scene like for postgrads

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Speaker 1: in San Luis Obispo. I'm twenty two in tech sales,

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Speaker 1: thinking of moving to SoCal and that's the top of

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Speaker 1: the list, or with something like Santa Barbara be better.

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Speaker 1: My question is if the Bucks move off of Todd Bowles,

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Speaker 1: who's at the top of the hiring list, do they

554
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Speaker 1: only go Kubiak and Lafleur, maybe Kingsbury or Marcus Freeman.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they hire another defensive coordinator. I've only

556
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Speaker 1: spent like twenty four or forty eight hours at a

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Speaker 1: time in Santa Barbara. Little too uppity for me. A

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Speaker 1: beautiful area. But I would say San Louis is much

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Speaker 1: more of your true college town, cool downtown, a lot

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Speaker 1: of food. It's got the beach not far away now,

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Speaker 1: depending you're in tech sales, if you know, It's not

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Speaker 1: a cheap place to live. Neither Santa Barbara, but it's

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Speaker 1: I would choose San Luis Obispo in your situation as

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Speaker 1: a younger person over Santa Barbara. But again that's just me.

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Speaker 1: I really haven't. I've only been to San Louis one

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Speaker 1: time in the last like decade, so you're probably asking

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Speaker 1: someone that might be a little out of touch with

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Speaker 1: the current setup of the area. When I was there,

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Speaker 1: it was awesome. But I would say I don't know

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Speaker 1: who you'd hire, honestly. You know, his last two hires

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Speaker 1: have been Bruce and then they just transitioned to Todd

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Speaker 1: because he was on the staff. I think if you

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Speaker 1: could have a due over, clearly you would have taken

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen. My guess is they would try to do

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Speaker 1: something offensively and you know, have a coordinator who's gonna

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Speaker 1: be with Baker would be their kind of go to

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Speaker 1: move if they could. I agree with your assessment on

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Speaker 1: quarterback play, Why is nobody shouting this from the roof

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Speaker 1: or are gms just not listening? Look at the AFC

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Speaker 1: Allan Lamar, Herbert Burrow, Mahomes, Rogers, Nicks. These guys all

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Speaker 1: played a lot of college football. It's easy to say

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Speaker 1: that Richardson has a ton of physical gifts, but if

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Speaker 1: you had to win one game, are you taking him

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Speaker 1: or Tyler Shuck? Repetitions and time spent in a system

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Speaker 1: learning matter. There is no you can't circumvent experience. You

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Speaker 1: can't circumvent improving, and to improve as something that is

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Speaker 1: really competitive. I don't care what industry you're in. You

588
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: got to do it over and over. Reps matter. What

589
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: was Gladwell's think ten thousand hours Tiger Woods talking about?

590
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Speaker 1: Like when I'm in a rut, I just go and

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Speaker 1: dig it out from the mud. I just practice practice, practice,

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Speaker 1: do do like. I like doers. You know, people to

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Speaker 1: talk in theories and on the board. It's like, let's

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Speaker 1: get our hands earty here. Whatever we're doing, that's how

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Speaker 1: we will make progress. So I understand they took a

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Speaker 1: huge swing on anthy Richardson. It blew up in their face.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck is a much better player. Than Anthony Richardson today.

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Speaker 1: The Saints wouldn't trade Tyler Shuck for Anthony Richardson in

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Speaker 1: a million years, and the Colts would drive him to

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Speaker 1: New Orleans. So yeah, I mean, I now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Chuck's a unique story. He's twenty five years old, He's

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Speaker 1: played in a million places. But I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: There aren't that many Anthony Richdons though, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: his situation only playing thirteen college games, the elite physical gifts,

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Speaker 1: I do get it. Like you're just like, hey, let's

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Speaker 1: take a swing on this now. I think people would

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Speaker 1: be less and less likely to ever do that again.

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Speaker 1: And like most of these guys coming out now because

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Speaker 1: of Nil, they stay have a lot of college experience.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tyler Mendoza started two years of col and

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Speaker 1: now one year in Indiana. He's played a lot of games,

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Speaker 1: played a lot of football that matters. Love the show

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Speaker 1: keeps me going during baseball offseason. We got ourselves, Nolan Ryan.

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Speaker 1: If the Dolphins end up cutting Tua, should the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: sign him to a one year deal, he would want

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Speaker 1: this to show he can play in cold weather. And

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Speaker 1: who better to learn from than Andy the Chiefs can

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Speaker 1: probably get Tua for cheap or given that he just

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Speaker 1: lost ninety nine million dollars from the bio, or he

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Speaker 1: just got ninety nine million. He doesn't get ninety nine million.

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Speaker 1: The ninety nine million is the dead cap that the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins incur. He gets I think fifty plus million, but

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Speaker 1: the guaranteed money in which they've paid him that factors

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Speaker 1: into the cap hit, so he doesn't actually get ninety

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Speaker 1: nine but he gets fifty five and whatever he made

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Speaker 1: this year. I would have a hard time seeing the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs doe that. I I don't envision that, Like, they're

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Speaker 1: not going to sign a guy that can't play in

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Speaker 1: the cold now if he was completely free. Would they

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Speaker 1: rather have Tua for one million or Gardner Minshew for

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Speaker 1: ten It's a good question. I think they will see

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Speaker 1: with Gardner over the next couple of weeks. But I

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Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing that mess with Tua. I

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Speaker 1: really do. Why on Earth A Shanahan not the favorite

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Speaker 1: for Coach of the Year. He's fifth and k Odds

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Speaker 1: plus seven to fifty. In twenty two he went thirteen

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Speaker 1: and four with three different quarterbacks and they gave it

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Speaker 1: to day Ball. And I think The reason was because

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00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: he did the most with the least amount of talent.

640
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Now this year, Shanna has gotten the Niners of ten

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00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: and four with an insane amount of injuries, including the

642
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback, two best defensive players, the first round defensive picks,

643
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame tight end, and his best wide receiver

644
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: has even played. Whoever gave Brandon Ayuk advice did a

645
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: terrible job. It's like, Bro, you don't give away twenty

646
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: five million dollars. This is too hard to make money

647
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: in this world large amounts of money too. It's like,

648
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: what are you doing? In twenty nineteen, took Garoppolo to

649
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: thirteen to three and a Super Bowl, and they gave

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00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: it to John Arbough who had a unanimous MVP, and

651
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I think it all gets back to people

652
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: thought the forty nine ers are gonna be good. They

653
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: were the betting favorites to win the division with the

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00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: Rams in Seattle. I mean, they were heavy betting favorites

655
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: over Seattle, so people assumed they were gonna be good.

656
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: And now he is good, so people thought that even

657
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: though the route he took to get good is way different,

658
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, you lose Fred Warner and

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00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa basically for the season. Kittle missed the first

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00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: month of the year. Perty missed how many games Mac

661
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: Jones had to win, like four or five? So yeah,

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00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I just don't get that cut up on Coach of

663
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: the Year. Kyle's not gonna win it this year, should he?

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Speaker 1: If he gave it to him, you wouldn't hear me

665
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: bitching and moaning. But I just don't really care. I

666
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: do think the year day Ball won it, that was impressive.

667
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: Now you're right, they went nine to eight. Looking back

668
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: the hardball one, it's like, I don't know about that one.

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Speaker 1: Why do quarterbacks get interceptions when the balls hit off

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: a hands or chest of a wide receiver? Can we

671
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: start giving wide receivers i iNTS instead of quarterbacks? I

672
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: feel this adds more nuanced for quarterback evaluation overall, better

673
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: and more accurate statistics across the board. At a minimum,

674
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: have a stat for either half i in ts or

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00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: a separate category for wide receivers. It's been like that forever,

676
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: So I it is stupid because you see a lot

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00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: of interceptions throughout the course of the year that are

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: not the quarterback's fault. But it doesn't feel like there's

679
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: ever been any urgency to change that. Like, you never

680
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: hear anyone in the NFL go what are we doing?

681
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: No one ever says that, so I hear you. I

682
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: think they should. But I think part of the problem

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00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: would be it's like, how do you compare than some

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00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: guys that throw a bunch of interceptions in twenty ten?

685
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: To like, if I threw twelve interceptions in twenty ten,

686
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: my number would have been seven. What about the ones

687
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: that the DB's drop that I hit them in the hands.

688
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: It's not gonna get changed. This is a loaded question,

689
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. I started my own residential commercial cleaning company,

690
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: but I don't think this is a passion or dream

691
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: of mine. I'm super interested in making a podcast about

692
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: football specifically and going back into the sports media school.

693
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I was at school for two years at High Point

694
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,479
Speaker 1: University and really struggled. I was just being a dumb

695
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: college student and messing around all the time. Also, I

696
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: had some bad advice and people close to me said

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00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: I would do good. I wouldn't do good in sports,

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00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: but sports is my everything other than my son and

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00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: my wife, of course. But now that I'm twenty three

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00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: years old, and have a five month old baby. I

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00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: don't want to waste an opportunity to chase my dreams

702
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: before I have more kids and I don't have time

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00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: or get too old. I'm definitely gonna start my podcast,

704
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: But is it worth it to go to sports media school?

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00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Even though radio and some other things are a dying industry.

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00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: My first recommendation would be, it seems like, you know

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Speaker 1: you got a growing family at any young age, congratch

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00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: to you do not do the sports media school. I

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00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: don't even know what technically that is, but go to

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00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: school for sports media. I would recommend not doing that.

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00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like like part of your life

712
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: now you have someone that you have to depend on.

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00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: The good thing is like you can get the equipment

714
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: and just do it on the side and see if

715
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: it grows, see if you can get good at it.

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00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: But you're twenty three. Do you know how much life

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00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: ahead of you that you have. I'm almost twenty years

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00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: older than you, and I feel fucking young. You have

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Speaker 1: a lot of life, so I don't know what your

720
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: current You said, you have the company that you started,

721
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: you could screw around on the side pretty easily and

722
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: figure out if it's actually something you like and when

723
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: no one's watching or no one's paying attention, like is

724
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: it worth it to you? Cause at first I don't

725
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: care if you're me or who you are. When I

726
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: first started doing podcasts and not have a lot of

727
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: listeners took some time. I had more than most because

728
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I had have built in radio base, but I would

729
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: not have been able the podcast if I hadn't done

730
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: screwed around and done radio and realized that I like

731
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: doing it. And when I did that, it was like

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00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: a part time just on the side. So my point

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Speaker 1: is sometimes we think we like to do something and

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00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: it's our everything and it means everything, and then we

735
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: start doing it and it's like, ah, it's not quite

736
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: as fun as we thought, or vice versa. We tell

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00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: ourselves this is all I want to do, so right now,

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00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: it's just a thought in your head and it's a

739
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: passion that you want to pursue. But you're able to

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Speaker 1: pursue that passion while you're still paying the bills and

741
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: taking care of your young family and then figure out

742
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: like is this really worth it or not? After that

743
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: that would be my recommendation. Then going to sports media school,

744
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: which again I'm not trying to throw shade at whatever

745
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: the school is, but I'm not even sure what that

746
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: is a question for the bag. I'm currently in my

747
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: final year of medical school. We've got some sharp listeners,

748
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: and I'll be pursuing a career in vascular surgery. I

749
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: was curious if you could talk about the medical slight

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00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: injury side of the NFL. For example, when mahomes towards ACL,

751
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: they did an MRI that night and he got surgery

752
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: just a day or two later. Do these high profile

753
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: athletes go to the local er when they get injured

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00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: or do team facilities have CT scanners and MRIs right

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00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: there in house. Furthermore, do pro teams have contracts with

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00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: specific surgeons who do or do team docs look across

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00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: the country to find the best surgeon available. I think

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00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: it depends team to team. Sometimes you have to go

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: to the hospital to get the MRI and sometimes the machine.

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00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask, like Rick Brookholder, who's the trainer

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00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: for the chiefs. I would guess he went to the

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: hospital to get an MRI, but maybe they have one

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00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: either at Arrowhead their facilities right around the corner. I mean,

764
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: it's right in the same kind of area. But I

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00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I would say most times guys usually go

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00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: to the hospital to get the MRI. It's why typically

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00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: after a game, let's say Patrick Mahomes got hurt on

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00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: the road, what would Andy have said. He would have said,

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00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: we're getting an MRI first thing in the morning, because

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00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: what do they do. They take him to the you know,

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00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: local Kansas City hospital and he gets the MRI and

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Speaker 1: they find out what happened. And then what happened with

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00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Patrick is he got a second opinion, just a double

774
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: check with maybe his agent set him up or people

775
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: he knows have gone through the guy in Dallas and

776
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: they confirmed that he also tours, was his LCL, and

777
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: he's got surgery right there. I think the teams often

778
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: work with the players to get surgery if they want

779
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: to say locally, or they go to a guy, you

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00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: know it's nationally renowned. Was the Tommy John guy's name?

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00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: There was a famous ACL and Tommy John guy that

782
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: most people went to, and people just funneled their players

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00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: to those guys. And I think most teams maybe there's

784
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: one or two. I think most of the time you

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00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: have to go to the hospital to get the MRI,

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00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: so you have people on especially with game day. I

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00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: would imagine they have a deal where people are there

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00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: just in case, h for situations like THEMRI right for

789
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: your own team, but sometimes even players have to wait

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00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: till the next day. So I mean it is Sunday

791
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: afternoon or Sunday night. Now, if it's something catastrophic, they

792
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: will take guys of the yar. Right. We have seen

793
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: guys hambling trying to think of like devastating injuries. Tomor

794
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: is probably the best example, but that was like really extreme.

795
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: But we've seen guys like catastrophic knee injuries just go

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00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: right the ambulance, go to the hospital, right. So it's

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00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, like when I was

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00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: with the Eagles doctor de Luca, who's now their doctor again,

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00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: Like if you just I would just go to them

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00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: for checkups, right. Most teams have a local guy, right.

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00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: If you're the Chiefs, you have a guy from Kansas City.

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00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: If you're the Niners, you got a guy from Stanford.

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00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: And those guys handle a lot of your stuff, and

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00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: they're around on game day. They travel with the team,

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00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: and you know players like you can't force a guy

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00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: to get a surgery with a guy they don't want

807
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: to have surgery with. So that's what's that's what's unique. Right,

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00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: Like if I have like if my son's ten years old,

809
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: right and he's playing I was gonna say soccer, but

810
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna play soccer. Let's say he's playing baseball

811
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: and breaks his leg sliding into second base. If we

812
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: need to get surgery on his leg, Like, I dictate

813
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: where he's getting surgery, right, get carry him to the car.

814
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's too big. I can't even care because he's,

815
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, burgeoning athlete. But wherever he's gonna get surgery

816
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: is gonna be. I'm gonna determine it, right. Whereas a player,

817
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the team be like, hey, go talk to these guys.

818
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: But I can talk to my own people, and I

819
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: can do whatever I want. Now, I can't do something

820
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: that like, hey, I'm gonna take a different route in

821
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: a different type medicine than your idea, right. I the

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00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: equivalent of like people that have babies in a bathtub.

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00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: You know, team's gonna be like that's part the contract.

824
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: You can't do that. I don't mean obviously a players,

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00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: I gotta have a baby in a bathtub, but you

826
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I'm gonna do this special

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00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: ACL surgery that's never been done before. I think the

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00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: team would push back on that, and you try to

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00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: work together like ultimately your business partners. But I do

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00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: think these situations historically, they've been complicated from time to time.

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00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: Not Mahomes necessarily, But I don't know why. I give

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00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: that baby example, I don't even know what the equivalent

833
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: would be, like ayahuasca. But again, teams don't even care.

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00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: I think with someone like Patrick Mahomes, they trust his agent,

835
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: they work with his agent really closely, that he has

836
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: trust in Andy and Veitch, and they just kind of

837
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: work together on it. I think sometimes you can not

838
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: be on the same page. And in fairness, this is

839
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: where players think that I'm getting screwed. Like you're telling

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00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: me I don't need surgery. You're like, I can't even

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00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: feel my calf right, myobo feels like it's gonna fall off.

842
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: You're like, you're good, just a couple of weeks of rehab,

843
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: and then you go to your own doctor or your

844
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: agent set you up with a doctor, or teammate set

845
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: you up with the doctor, and he's like, you need

846
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: to get this you need to get this taken care of,

847
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: so you can just get a lot of different opinions,

848
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: and in fairness to the players, I mean their bodies,

849
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: their livelihood, so it is pretty intense situations of like, well,

850
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what I think is best for my

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Speaker 1: body because this is the only way that like, this

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Speaker 1: is how I make money. Where if I start slipping,

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Speaker 1: you guys will cut me in a New York minute

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Speaker 1: and you won't even think twice. So it's it's pretty complicated,

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Speaker 1: but the MRI machine pretty sure most guys have to

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Speaker 1: go to the hospital. Audios the volume