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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Red Radio Special Operations, military news

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Speaker 1: on straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? This is rad with soft Rep Radio

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Speaker 1: and I am super pumped today. First of all, I'm

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Speaker 1: check out Dunkirk. But my guest, let's talk about my guest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have Cameron Haines. He has wrote the book Endure,

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Speaker 1: Keep Hammering, Hammering Away. I want to welcome you, Cameron,

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Speaker 1: to soft Rop Radio and to our listeners out there. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Well, it's good to be here, good to

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Speaker 1: meet you. I'm I'm pumped to have a nice discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. You know, let's just jump into it. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about your grandma. Okay, So I'm reading your book.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for getting that over to me. And I'm a

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Speaker 1: mama's boy and a grandma's boy. So tell me how

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Speaker 1: much love you have for her and putting into that

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Speaker 1: first back country book of yours where you had to

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Speaker 1: read repaid her. Tell me, Yeah, no, I did. She

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know how grandma's are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to have a grandma. I had

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Speaker 1: two of them, actually, and they were both super supportive.

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Speaker 1: is my grandma Ruby. She's the one who loaned me

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Speaker 1: her back. But she was always I don't know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So my grandpa was very hard. She was always like that, supportive,

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Speaker 1: but she was very tough to She's part Indian, just

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Speaker 1: and so she was supportive, always loved me. I always

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Speaker 1: supported me, but um still tough in her own right.

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Speaker 1: I love that you you call her out in that

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Speaker 1: you loan me? It's like, yeah, where's that back? And

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Speaker 1: you did that. But I think that when you start

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Speaker 1: of different titles. To me, May I endure is what

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Speaker 1: you chose, and I love that, But I also think

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Speaker 1: passion would be a good novel or a name for

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Speaker 1: your book. Also, solitude will be a good name for

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Speaker 1: your book. But endure. You have to endure you know,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know you put it into writing at

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Speaker 1: you you brought it into these these books where you're

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, you know, if you're passionate

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Speaker 1: how to not waste right. He didn't want to shoot

422
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: something if we're going to waste it, and so he

423
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: made that very clear to us. And so I just

424
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: I really loved your book and it really has maybe

425
00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: keep hammering you talk about that in there, right, You're like,

426
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: it's just like camera away. You know, it's just like

427
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 1: dicy Cameron. I'm over here in London and all these

428
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 1: things that are chiseled, they're all hammered away at bro

429
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: but not just like no one just poofed those up

430
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: three thousand years ago. So much history over there. Yeah,

431
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: and no, it's it's hard work. Is definitely the key

432
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: to whatever success we have in life. It's gonna take

433
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: hard work. I didn't want to touch go back to

434
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: the food and the connection. And you know, one thing

435
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: that I've read is that Americans waste throw away forty

436
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: of what they buy food wise, including meat. So it's

437
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: just like we've had it so good here we have

438
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, this is if you go to another country,

439
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 1: I mean maybe not London, but like I've been hunting

440
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 1: in Africa multiple times, and they'll they'll say they're like, hey,

441
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: so life's good in America, and I'm like, I mean, yeah,

442
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: we just granted how good You're sure? Then Americans like

443
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: the Thomas Land and here we are, we have so

444
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: much work throwing away that So when I think of

445
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: an animal's dying, like if we're buying steaks and like

446
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,479
Speaker 1: I see people eat half the steak and it's like

447
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 1: throw away. The rest of it is once you have

448
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: that connection and you and like your dad was trying

449
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: to get to you, guys, is that there's perspective. Let's

450
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: have perspective on what's a steak here and our role

451
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: in it. And it's just like as hunters, I know, hunters,

452
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: they don't you know, you're taught you. I take the

453
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 1: skin off, I get the high tand I keep the

454
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: antlers so I can have antlers right up here in

455
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: this room and that you know, the memories of that

456
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: hunt and that animal is honored right there. I have.

457
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: The meat, of course is cherished. I love giving it out,

458
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: but it's not definitely not going into the garbage. So

459
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: if nothing else, hunters are taught to value that animals life,

460
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: not just the memories of it, but also what it's

461
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: yielding to us with with his flesh, which is meat.

462
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: And it's like, I like the hunting aspect and and

463
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: just what that's taught me, because maybe without hunting, maybe

464
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: I would be the guy scraping off meat and thrown

465
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: it away, you know, right. And you know, the other

466
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: thing is is like what makes you buy what's in

467
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: a store? You know, when you go to the grocery

468
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: store and you look at all the food that they've

469
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: been putting in your face for all these years, it's

470
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: like where the deal get made to buy that? Where

471
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: do that store? Go to Las Vegas and go to

472
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: a trade show and meet some guy at some club

473
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: and do a deal in the back room about your meat, okay,

474
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: And so all of a sudden, here it is right there,

475
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: and it is a big thing to know, you know,

476
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: farm to table, okay, whether you're vegetarian or you're gonna

477
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: eat straight up all the meat, you want to know

478
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: where it's coming from into your body, you know. And

479
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: in Alaska that they believe that the spirit of the

480
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: animal when it's hunted, And I kind of find I

481
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: follow this, okay, And so I you know, if I

482
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: had to eat a lot of mammal, I would in

483
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: this way, which is I would hunt it and then

484
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: once I got it, I would clean it, take it

485
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: and put it back to where I had killed it

486
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: so it can continue on with its journey. I do

487
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: like that mentality up there, with that culture of the

488
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Indigenous people of Alaska. I don't know you've been up there.

489
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: Is that something that you found up there? They're definitely connected,

490
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: more connected because it's more wild for sure. I mean

491
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: people Alaska are tough people. They're hardy people, just because

492
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: it's harder living, you know. I mean I I wouldn't

493
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: stayed in San Diego. I did when I did Jackos podcast.

494
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking, God, if I live down here, I'd

495
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: be so soft. It's so nice every day it's like

496
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: stunny and just so comfortable. So, you know, I think

497
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: we gain as humans by being in a challenging environment

498
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 1: because it does tougher. And so one thing I've noticed,

499
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: I've done seminars up in Alaska, and I'm looking out

500
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: there talking about boning, and I'm like, how am I

501
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: telling you guys? You guys survive up in these elements.

502
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: You're you should be telling me how to do it.

503
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: But one thing, I mean, I do like that connection

504
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: because I think what people who don't hunt, and I'm

505
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: not saying everybody has to hunt, And I think how

506
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: you've you've kind of connected the dots on you follow,

507
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: like the people of Alaska, how they honor the animal

508
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: and the journey of the animal right as as hunters,

509
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: whether you hunt or you don't hunt, whether you're vegan

510
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: or not, or vegetarian, whatever, But like for me, I

511
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: just wanted to be known that as a hunter in

512
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: which I hunt, I've hunted my whole life. I don't

513
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: actually enjoy the killing aspect of what I do. That

514
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that animal has sacrificed itself and I'm

515
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: gonna respect that. But I'm not. I don't shoot and

516
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't put an arrow through an animal, and I'm

517
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: not like smiling and laughing. It's I mean, there's a

518
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: life estate that animal offered us life. I took it grateful,

519
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm grateful for that, like I'm not. I

520
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: have so much respect And it's like a bittersweet, somber

521
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: moment for me too, because I love animals. It's like

522
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: it's I love nature. I love knowing that we're part

523
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: of it. But the killing part is just part of

524
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: what hunters do as part of the journey. In the journey,

525
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: it made me thank you this. It's like, you're killing

526
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: is a necessary part of being a hunter. But it's

527
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: not the only part. There's so much more to it.

528
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: But that's the part. It's not not the most enjoyable

529
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: part for me. But it has to happen because we

530
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: meet out to people. They're not gonna be a surgeon.

531
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: You're like hiring it up. You're like, Okay, this is

532
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: the quarter hind, this is the chuck, this is the

533
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: this is the round. Like you got to quickly too.

534
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: We gotta clean in the field. Right when you hit

535
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: an animal with an arrow, I have to go up

536
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: and read the blood and see what kind of blood

537
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: it is. To see my arrow where it hit. Did

538
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: it hit lung so that it hit liver, did it

539
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: hit stomach? Did it didn't just graze muscles. So you're

540
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: you're almost a biologist in some ways, and you're kind

541
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: of reading this and it just makes you so much

542
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: more in tune. And then just by proxy, you're gonna

543
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: have respect for how that animal lives and what it survived.

544
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: And then when you go and like I said, I

545
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: don't expect everybody to hunt. I'll do the killing for you,

546
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: but just respect what it took to make that happen

547
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: by the steak. But just know that there was a

548
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: sacrifice made for this to happen. And I think we

549
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: don't we don't always get that when you go to

550
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: the store, just buy a cell ping wrap steak, you

551
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that's exactly my point about

552
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: what you're putting into you is you know who told

553
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: you to put that like for you know who's the

554
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: guy that made the deal. I've been to trade shows

555
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: in my own industry and I know how deals are made,

556
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: and so it's only no different in the food industry.

557
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, Bill, you want to go on a cruise,

558
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: buy all the steak for me and put it in

559
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: your store and I'll get you on the cruise. I

560
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: get it. So it's like what you're doing harvesting, okay something,

561
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: So you know, and I'm not only being so sensitive

562
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I am a mammalarian. I really don't

563
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: eat mammals myself, but if I had to, I would,

564
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: so I guess I'm gonna try it. I'm a try

565
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: it terrian. I try to do whatever I need to live,

566
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: okay if I have to. But if I'm at a store,

567
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I necessarily don't have to buy what they're forcing me

568
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: to buy. I can eat what I want, you know.

569
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: And so by Mountain the Woods and I lived in Alaska,

570
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: I guess what i'd probably be doing. I'd probably going

571
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: after the things that made me eat. Okay. So that's

572
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: me kind of like in a nutshell. And I love

573
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: what you do because you're processing it. You know. I

574
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: don't see any type of like you know, organization being

575
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: upset at this. It's a it's a hunt, it's a harvest.

576
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: You're you're taking the animal, you're eating it. It's it's

577
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: not a bad thing, it's it's just not And and

578
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: living in Utah, I've just become acclimated to that too.

579
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think it's part of it too.

580
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we we're talking about Alaska a lot, but

581
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: it's like when you have to survive, Like I said,

582
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: I mentioned that the elements are more challenging up there,

583
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: but when you're when it's like you get down to it,

584
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what does it take for us to survive? Well,

585
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: when it's harder, you're gonna need denser food, You're gonna

586
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: need more protein nutrient food. So if you're, like I said,

587
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: living in San Diego going to the beach every day,

588
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: you could probably give Biden salads. I mean, that's all

589
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: that you could. You could have nuts salads. You're not

590
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: you know not, You're not. It's all made for you.

591
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: It's all made for you by being a winter in Alaska.

592
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: If you're Alaska, you you better have some good steak,

593
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: you better have some salmon you're gonna catch out there.

594
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: And so that I think that kind of influences you know,

595
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: what are we subjecting ourselves to in life? You know

596
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? And it's like, we're lucky where we

597
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: have choices where you can go to the store and

598
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: you can say, yeah, I don't need that, I want this,

599
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I want that. That's great, that's great. I love that

600
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: that we have those. Offic Some people, like in Alaska,

601
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do whatever it takes and exactly

602
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: and they're they're gonna, hey, they're gonna kill the caribou

603
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: and it's gonna fill the freezer and that's just the

604
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: way it goes. It's gonna fill the freezer and probably

605
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: their neighbors freezer. Those are sure, those are village kills.

606
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Those are like, we're happy that they're happy to have that,

607
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: because they will turn everything from that kill and what

608
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: they don't like into something usable, and what they don't

609
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I think they just put it back on the trail

610
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: kind of in the area that they took the kill,

611
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: so that can continue on to its journey, um, you know,

612
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: to be brought back into another life if they will

613
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: believe in that aspect, you know. And so when I've

614
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: been to like we killed this buffalo in Tanzania and

615
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: it's like you follow you look at the birds there,

616
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: and then I would say, I half so clean. The

617
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: animal got the meat off, then there's there's uh, some bones,

618
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: there's some maybe something the guts and things like that.

619
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: That was gone in a half hour. So you talk

620
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: about it's like circle life gavengers. There was nothing left

621
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: in a half hour. So it's like in the wild,

622
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: there's no waste. There's no waste going on at all exactly.

623
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like a cool, you know,

624
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: connecting way to gather your food right, I'm all about that,

625
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: and so I think that's really cool. And you do

626
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: talk about that in your book. Even though you say

627
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: you don't talk about that in your book, you talk

628
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: about that a little bit. I made touched on again

629
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: big part of what I do. And I'm passionate about it.

630
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and I and I understand. I put my

631
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: life out there, so I'm gonna get people who don't understand.

632
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: I mean people should have, Like you haven't grown up

633
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: in Utah. Maybe they've been in cities their whole life.

634
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: They're not gonna understand. You know. As and a hunter,

635
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: sometimes we take photos, so we we achieved this longer goal.

636
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: We've been maybe dreaming about this hunt forever. It's big challenge.

637
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: We accomplished it. So you take a picture of the animal.

638
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: For non hunters or people who don't have a grundfrund,

639
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna understand a picture with a hunter

640
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: smiling with the dead animal. They're like, what, this doesn't

641
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: make sense to hunters who have been doing this their

642
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: whole life. Oh, it makes perfect sense. It's like that

643
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: was very hard to accomplish that. That's he's happy because

644
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: he can take me back to his family and his friends,

645
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: and so this it's like somewhat of a mountain type thing.

646
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: But to people who don't get it. So I understand,

647
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: and I get because I put my life out there.

648
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: I get people who attack me online for you know,

649
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean killing animals basically and threats and via language.

650
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: And I understand. I mean I get it because it's

651
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: like when you just get a snapshot of what I do.

652
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: But I think if you look at right, sure, and

653
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe I can't expect everybody to read my book and

654
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe listen to this discussion. I think that me and you,

655
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: maybe it'll make more sense, maybe because they'll they'll understand that. Hey,

656
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, Rad's saying like it's the right of like gathering.

657
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: It's hunting and gathering. You have to do this. You're

658
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: not running a butcher facility like with a thousand cows

659
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: coming in and out of it. You're not just doing

660
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: that to these any other You're Yeah, if I would

661
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: love to have that conversation with anybody in any of

662
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: these organizations. You know, it's true. It's it's like, you know,

663
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: come at me, you know, we all hunter gathering. Explaining

664
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: that too, because his his audience is so diverse, and

665
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: so he's good with that, and we're making a little headway.

666
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: But still I do understand why it's hard for some

667
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: people that to get you know, themen around it, my

668
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: folks is a Shawn Spoon, Senator in chief of software

669
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: dot Com. Just here to say thank you for listening

670
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: to the Software Radio Podcast. We sure appreciate you giving

671
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: us your time. And here's a special offer for you

672
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Speaker 1: if you're a new member off your annual membership to

673
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Speaker 1: softwarep just click the link at the bottom of the

674
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: page that brought you to us today. And from all

675
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: of us here at soft Rep, thank you for listening. Well,

676
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: you and me we do get along. We grew up

677
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the same era. And you know I

678
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: eat one way, you eat another way. But I have

679
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: no ill will or ill anything about how you hunt

680
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: and gather, because you don't have any problem with how

681
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: I hunt and gather and what I do, which is

682
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: what you say, don't tell me what to do. I

683
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: don't tell you what to do, So don't tell me

684
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: what to do. So you want to come on my

685
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: page and tell me what to do when I'm not

686
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: going on your page. You know I got respect. I mean,

687
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: you're talking to me about your thought process with the

688
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: food you eat and how you how your body, how

689
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: you survived this life. And it's like, I got nothing

690
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: about respect for that. I don't expect you to go hunting.

691
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: And it's fine. It's like we're you know, I can

692
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: respect what you do, and it's great. I want you

693
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: to be happy. You want me to be happy, exactly.

694
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: I don't mind hunting something with a heartbeat. I just

695
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: prefer them to be you know, like six foot tall,

696
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: two legs and two arms, you know, running around in

697
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a war game scenario. So I don't mind hunting heartbeats.

698
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: You know. A little chess is always good for me,

699
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: and I do that very well here in Utah. So

700
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I get my hunting out in that

701
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: aspect because I do a lot of war games, so many,

702
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, and these guys are like you and Rogan

703
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: and Brandon Webb and all these guys get together with

704
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: combat gear and we fight each other. It's like, oh,

705
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: you think you're cool. That's my dojo, right, So go ahead.

706
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: What are you doing over there? You say you might

707
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: go to Normandy too. Yeah, I'm to come here till

708
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: the tenth of June, and so you know d Day

709
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: was June six, So I might catch the Eurostar that

710
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: goes under the English Channel and go over to Dunkirk.

711
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: If i can't make it to dunk Kirk because I'm

712
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: working with softwarep while I'm over here, you know, my

713
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: my posse, and as an ambassador, I might go to

714
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: the Cliffs of Dover and then report about you know

715
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: how Churchill scrambled all of the people civilians and basically

716
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: ordered them to get all of their boats, fisherman boats

717
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: and take eight to nine hundred boats across the English

718
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Channel to Dunkirk to rescue three hundred thousand of their

719
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: army personnel who have were trapped being pushed into the

720
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: ocean by Hitler and Mussolini. Right, Okay, so I mean, like,

721
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: what the hell, who are they hunting? And so You've

722
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: got all these three hundred thousand troops and then they

723
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: only had a four thousand cash saved, and once in

724
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: church was like, we only have four thousand military personnel

725
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: in the UK at all, because they had the whole

726
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: army over in France. Right, So, so you probably know

727
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: and it's dunk Kirk. And so there was a movie

728
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: about it with Harry Styles. I love that. Gotta love

729
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Harry and then especially in London and then again though,

730
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over there. I got my go pro

731
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: and get some clean steady camp footage and throw some

732
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: stuff up on soft reap and you know, let's others

733
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: see what the area is like, you know, just kind

734
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: of nothing. So that's what I'm doing. Yeah, I love

735
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: that history. I mean, we I've just been watching I

736
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: mean history. It's like I think, I don't know if

737
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't paying attention in high school, but it's just

738
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: like I've lost so much or I mean, I'm learning

739
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: so much lately, and I think maybe from experiences like well,

740
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna show I've been watching there's this series about

741
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: the Civil War just I don't know, three is I

742
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like we need to celebrate it

743
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: more and just and not not even maybe just not

744
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: celebrate it, but just give it the exposure it deserves,

745
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's it's these men and women

746
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: sacrifice so much and it's why we're here. Let's I mean,

747
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: we've got to shine the light. And seriously, seriously, you

748
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: know there's an author that's traveling I think Jack Carr's

749
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: traveling over right now with like a whole group you know,

750
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: of World War Two veterans. Bro Like, you know, I'm

751
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: over here with my wife, I know, he said. I

752
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: sent him a message the other day because his book

753
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, he's it's a fiction book, but it

754
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: was number one. It's on Wednesdays when the New York

755
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Times list comes out. So I texted him, I said, hey,

756
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: are you still number one? He said he was on

757
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: I think that on Wednesday, on a plane taking thirty

758
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: guys back over there. That's right with his daughter was

759
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: going and just an amazing I mean, well, big shout

760
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: out to those guys, you know, getting the experience, I know,

761
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: and probably for the last time really you know, how

762
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: to percent for so long? You know. I just talked

763
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: to this one hundred year old veteran the other day

764
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: on a podcast, Lucky and his name is Lucky and

765
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: he goes by Damn Lucky's his book and hundred year

766
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: old bomber pilot dude twenty five missions over France, Germany,

767
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: undred year old. I was like, they're like, Wrath, we

768
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: have him available. The soonest is this? I was like

769
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: ten a m. Yeah, ten a m. What's the first

770
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: day ten a m. I'll take it and so, and

771
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: also thanks to you for working around with all my

772
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: schedule and I know you're super slammed and busy getting

773
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: pulled into lots of serious podcast dude, and thanks for

774
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: taking time to be online. Really stoked about that. So

775
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: I felt bad because I always like the whole book

776
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: thing came out and then I was just doing all

777
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: these party games. But then I was back to my

778
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: nine to five and so they're saying, oh, can you

779
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: do this and that? And I'm like, well, I'm not

780
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: work all day. I'm Monday through Friday from seven to five.

781
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm you know, ten hours I don't work. Are you

782
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: still at the power company? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so I've

783
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: been back at work. So this day, well how about

784
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Saturday evening? So here we are Saturday evening. I'm not

785
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: sure when it is over there, but I don't even know. Yeah,

786
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: but we would be here together. Yeah. I'm just thank

787
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: you for being flexible with me, and it's just like

788
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: had to work around that at nine to five. But

789
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know, It's been a great discussion. I

790
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: thank you so much. You're very welcome you know, and

791
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: I'm as flexible as my snowboard. Okay, when I hit

792
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: that the snow so again, adversity, putting yourself out there,

793
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: staying in the elements, being in like, you know, sixty

794
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: mile an hour gale winds on top of the mountain,

795
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: blowing snow in my face, growing my beard so it

796
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: gets thicker up there. You know. It's those types of adversities.

797
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Hunting my friends with their heartbeats while they're hunting me.

798
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't win all the time. I get shot just

799
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: as much, you know. So it's like this, what can

800
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: I do better? How do I not get Why should Yeah? Cardio, Yeah,

801
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: it's Cardio. Isn't zombies, Cardio hunting other people? Cardio going

802
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: after that deer on that long hunt. So my dad

803
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: was always a big I don't want a fouler. He's

804
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: like no, he's like, that's not hunting. He's like, that's

805
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: not He's like So then he got out of rifle

806
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: hunting and he got into bow like I was telling

807
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: you just to revert that back, and he started taking

808
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: his compound out. But he had these tips. He had

809
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: these tips, and one time I touched it and I

810
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: was just bleeding bro it was so it was so sharp.

811
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: They have these tri tips he kept in a special case,

812
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: but I had to see him that with an arrow,

813
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: that's a big difference between an arrow and a bullet,

814
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: where an arrow will kill by hemorrhage. So that's what

815
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: happens oftentimes. Is like if I'm hunting a big bull elk,

816
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I'll make a perfect shot. The arrow will go through

817
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: the elk eight pound animal. They're used to get jabbed

818
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and by antlers and fighting all this. Sometimes they don't

819
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: know what happened. They're bleeding, their blood pressure drops and

820
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: essentially they pass out, but then they die from blood loss,

821
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: whereas a and they never even really knew what happened.

822
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Whereas a rifle it's a loud report. It's a bullet

823
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: will kill by shock and damage and so definitely know

824
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: they've been shot. That's where I think almost a perfect

825
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: shot with an arrow is almost a beautiful death because

826
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: the animal doesn't even know what happens, and there's no

827
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: no animals making it out alive. Right, everything's dying. Everything

828
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: it's either going to be starving or by predator or

829
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: by fighting animal. So like to me, taking an old

830
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: bull that's lived ten years in the mountains and it

831
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: served its purpose for the herd. And then uh, if

832
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: I offer a perfect shot like that and it's essentially

833
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: a painless death, that's as good as it gets where

834
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: that's the big difference with the rifle. With the rifle's

835
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: it kills from damage shock and you don't even ruin

836
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: the meat. You might even ruin the meat with the round.

837
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, definitely a room with the bullet. But for sure,

838
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: especially your bad shot. We were talking about cardio earlier,

839
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean, and all those challenges that you know, there's

840
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: that saying or fatigue makes cowards of us. All yeah,

841
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be the biggest badass ever, but

842
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: when people get fatigued, it's just like take me. I'm done.

843
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now. The one thing that I

844
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: told my wife. While we've been in London, we've probably

845
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: done about see the other ester day we did about

846
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: thirty two kolongs, and then today we did about I

847
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: don't know, that's about twenty two miles. Yesterday we walked

848
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: all over right, we didn't realize what we were doing.

849
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: And then let me start getting I got a blister

850
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: on my pinky toe and I got that back in

851
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: New York too. We walked a lot at the end

852
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: of the day. It's not gonna kill me. That's what

853
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: my wife blister. I told her that. She looked at

854
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: me and I was like, yeah, you're right. You don't

855
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: know where I got that from, right, Yeah. Yeah. She

856
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: thought it was a great kid, saying you came up right, yeah,

857
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. But it's true. It's like, it's

858
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: true we focus on and that's what I've noticed a

859
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: lot of times on these hunts. It's like, yeah, it's

860
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: not the blister, but it's like a lot of little

861
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: things stack up and then you're like, that's when you

862
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: want to throw in the towel. But yeah, focus on

863
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: what the one thing, like the blisters. Like, I'm pretty

864
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: sure people have overcome much greater things than this, right,

865
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's a lot of you guys are

866
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: taking a lot of steps and seeing some great country.

867
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure we are. And the thing is is that,

868
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: you know, I got the blisters yesterday and then again

869
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: we went out today and we just humped it again

870
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: and we were just like, you know, again, I just said,

871
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: no one's died of a blister. My wife's hardcore. She's like,

872
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm built for walking, and I was like, oh, ship,

873
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, yeah, she's doing good, she's doing good.

874
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: She felt a little bit on her knee at the

875
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: end of it, and I said, well, that's because we're

876
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: getting tired at the end of our trek and we

877
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: start to walk with a weird gait and we're starting

878
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: to like slug ourselves back to our hotel. And then

879
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: that's the injuries. And so today was a little bit

880
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: of an uber day and so yeah, yeah, it worked out. Yeah,

881
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: we gotta see uh, Princess Diana's fountain and the Kensington Palace.

882
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: I kissed her in the King's Palace. So it was

883
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: very yeah, right, a lot about but it's really cool.

884
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: She was, she is and and it's it's awesome. No,

885
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: all of her kids are here right now too, and

886
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of vibe going on. You know, everybody's

887
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: here and it's a big pageantry and the Queen's still alive.

888
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: So that's a cool thing, right, isn't she she's not

889
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: what she didn't get to go, she didn't go to

890
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: the festivities, but she's been watching and you know, they're

891
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: just cheering her for her seventy year of reigning and

892
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: trying to keep the crown, you know, respected, and where

893
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: there's also the other side here, let's bring that up

894
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: real quick, where they're like, you know, hey, you guys

895
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: are taking our taxpayers money and you're giving it away

896
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: to people that we don't approve of to cover up

897
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: these dealings. And so you know, there is that aspect.

898
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: But I think the aristocrat and most of the Brits

899
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: over here are proud to be British right now. And

900
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: I've so stoked to be over here. And it's very

901
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: almost America. Yeah, I mean just the history part of it.

902
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: It'd be just just to be part of it. I've

903
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: never been there before, so I'm jealous that you're able

904
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: to experience. Yeah, it's it's history, you know, it's it

905
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: is in the making, and you should come over. It's

906
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: not so bad as you would think. And uh, it's

907
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: just a quick nine hour straight flight, so you know

908
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: you might get a little business class out of it

909
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: from someone, so you might want to put that in.

910
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a questions. So I put questions

911
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: out on my social media and and it's kind of

912
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: wide down our conversation here and one of my guys Anton,

913
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: he asked me. He said, okay, well, I'm stoked you

914
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: doing the show with you And he says, do you

915
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: use any supplements to help you move out and keep

916
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: keep going with endurance? You know? Is there anything that

917
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: you use? You know? Mostly I wild game meat for

918
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: the most part. And it's just like what I say

919
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: in the book is like your your body gets it

920
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: gets used to what you ask of it. So I've

921
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: been doing this for so long. My body is pretty good.

922
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean, but I still I don't drink. I eat

923
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: wild game meat all the time. I watch my sugar

924
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: intake and do all that, and then I do supplement.

925
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: There's company and and uh utah they're Mountain Oops. They're

926
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: my son worked for them. They're a supplement company. So

927
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: I do supplement with protein okay, b C A S

928
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: to replenish after like a long run when I've went

929
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: through a lot of you know, sweated a lot and

930
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: things like that, to try to replenish that. But for

931
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: the most part, it's just living clean, living clean, and

932
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: then thirty years of doing it, my body is kind

933
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: of like how like shoe leather tough that's my body

934
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, you just change yourself to endure that.

935
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: It's so true. That's it, that's it. It's just time,

936
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: time in the saddle essentially. But yeah, I try to.

937
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: I try to live a pretty clean life though. Let

938
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: me see, okay, perfect, thank you. Anton James has a question.

939
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: Let me see what it says. Here it says, James says,

940
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: I see how much sleep does he get? That's the

941
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: question that's you, So yeah, tell it. Yeah, Yeah, I

942
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: don't get much because I do. I have a full

943
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: time job to train for endurance events. Takes hours, you know,

944
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: so I mean, and then I have a family, like

945
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: right now, we're watching the Last Dance, watching Michael Jordan's story. Again,

946
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: my daughter hadn't seen that. So I do want to

947
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: spend time I'm with them. So if I have to

948
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: give up anything, it's where. It's not where it's impacting

949
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: my family as a little as possible, impacting my work.

950
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: It's I'm going to give up sleep because that only

951
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: impact me. And so yeah, I don't I don't. You know,

952
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: you'll sleep when you're dead, right, yeah? Pretty, But again

953
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: my body is used to that too, I know, I understand.

954
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Not everybody's in that position. Or my immune system is good,

955
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: so I don't. I never get sick. But I think

956
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: part of it is because my diet too, because of

957
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: that that clean meat that I eat from my kills.

958
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: So I'm I've been pretty lucky. But yeah, I sacrifice

959
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: sleep and to get everything else done. Yeah, I would

960
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: imagine you have to, because you do have a pretty

961
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: book solid slate if you're running even a marathon that's

962
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: twenty three points something miles, and then if you're even

963
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: doing it, yeah point two. I don't run the marathons.

964
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I just guess it. Does it does? You gotta train

965
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know you're running a two a hundred

966
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: miles twenty four hour endurance run. They have that in

967
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: Utah across the top of the mountain Peak run the

968
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: whole mountain top of My high school teacher used to

969
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: do it every year. I remember, Yeah, the Rossats run. Yeah, yeah,

970
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: the whole top of the mountains. Yeah, they'd run all

971
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: the way across the whole mountains there. And I know

972
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: there's some tough people out there, dude, I mean, and

973
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: you know who's the toughest of in those endurance events?

974
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: And I talked about them. One of the best in

975
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: the world in my book. But women are so good

976
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: at endurance events. I I really think that their bodies

977
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: are made for child birthta they can deal with pain.

978
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: They're way tougher than men. I mean, it's oh yeah,

979
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: for sure, there's no doubt about it. Man probably faster

980
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: and maybe stronger, just that's on average, but skeletal firs

981
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: endurance wise, and and just like mental toughness, women are incredible. Yeah,

982
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: I'll kind of give you a story about my dad

983
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: speaking of women. When he was in the marathon, he

984
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: said that this one lady I remember, He's like, I

985
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: was behind her and all I could do is just

986
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: watch your ponytail. It was his like metronome of like

987
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And she was in front of him, and

988
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: he's a Green Beret, and she's in front of him,

989
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: and he's a Green Beret, and she's in front of him,

990
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And he's just like, she's

991
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: keeping pace. He blew himself up that that week because

992
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: he ran ten miles a day, thinking he needed to

993
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: amp it up for the marathon, but he just he

994
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: did too much in the week and then when the

995
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: marathon came. He ran it in four hours, and he

996
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: was thinking that he could run it probably a lot less,

997
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: but he realized he could tell that was freaking beace.

998
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect. I mean, yeah, he

999
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: just worries about his mindset. It's just yeah, there's more.

1000
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: He tried to treat me for the biathlon too, Brom.

1001
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: I've been all around cross country skin and hitting the dirt,

1002
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: trying to shoot a rifle at the target. It's like, hey,

1003
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, you had a tough job in the son

1004
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: of a Green Beret. That's not the It doesn't get

1005
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: much tougher, no, no. And the fact is that he

1006
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: worked right next door to my junior high so every

1007
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: day it was just like in his office, it's like, oh,

1008
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: dismantling RPGs and whatever that we're all like mock weaponry

1009
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: and all of the training profile. I would read everything

1010
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: that a sad look at the stories you got, I know, right,

1011
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: was sold insurance. What what stories would you have? Yeah? Really,

1012
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: you know he did work at kmart. There's a good

1013
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: time after Vietnam you got into Kmart. You got some

1014
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: great stories. Thanks Bro, Well, listen, I would love to

1015
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: have you back on the show. I've taken a lot

1016
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: of your time and I really appreciate you jumping on.

1017
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: And I want to shout out to Brandon Webb for saying, hey, Rad,

1018
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: go get Cameron Haynes on the show, and I want

1019
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: to shout out to your hat, says Rogan Haynes twenty four.

1020
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: All right, they just tell him to legalize weed and ill.

1021
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: But I'm in just across the board. Just make it

1022
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: all happen. Hey, if it's up to him, he would

1023
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: make it happen tomorrow. That's what I'm saying. Just make

1024
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: it happen. Why hasn't anybody made that happen? You all talk,

1025
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: All these guys are talking. This is to the Archery

1026
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Pro Shop here in town. They made these hashes like

1027
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: as a joke, and so they said, hey, do you

1028
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: care if we I said, yeah, I me and Joe

1029
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: don't want any money. Just do whatever you want. She

1030
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: sold so many of these hats because people are like

1031
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Rogan Hayes twenty four, and so she actually was so

1032
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: slam She's like, I'm done. I don't want any more money.

1033
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. It's too crazy. So many

1034
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: what does it say when we're shout out to hoof

1035
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: the bow Rack the bo Rack in Springfield? Are you hey?

1036
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: Are you working with any charities that you want to

1037
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: give a shout out to or anything that you want

1038
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: to give a shout out too? Real quick, I'll give

1039
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: you like a little bit of plugging time right now,

1040
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: bro website God charities, I don't know. I I usually

1041
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: just try to, Like people always ask what I do

1042
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: with my old bows, I usually just give them away,

1043
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: So I mean I I try not to. I don't

1044
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: know if I had to a charity, who would a

1045
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: charity be? Well, it could be someone maybe reaching out

1046
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: to you and just like you know, saying hi, you know,

1047
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's just that's charitable right there. Bro. You

1048
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Speaker 1: can give your own you know, what's the word where

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00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: they stand on in the park and they say what

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Speaker 1: they have to say. You can give that a yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Let me have it. Give them what they want.

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Speaker 1: If they ask you, can you help me? You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm depressed or anxiety. I'm sure you've been through depression

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Speaker 1: and anxiety. No. I I've had a lot of people

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Speaker 1: because they know that I've come from you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: A lot of everybody has challenges but they kind of

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00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: they reach out to me a lot, and I actually,

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Speaker 1: I want to be able to help people. And I

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00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: had so many people that guys who were actually contemplating

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Speaker 1: or just had thoughts, suicidal thoughts, and I'm like, I'm

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00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: a bow hunter. I don't. So I had to actually

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00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: talk to a doctor and I said, I said, what,

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Speaker 1: I want to help these people. I can't live with

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Speaker 1: myself if I don't. They send a message they say they're,

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Speaker 1: you know, struggling with this. I said, I want to

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Speaker 1: know what to tell them. So they said, okay, here's

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Speaker 1: what you do. Somebody who's who's depressed and thinking about

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Speaker 1: having thoughts like that, you say, if you can just

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Speaker 1: help them get through a few hours, because everybody goes down,

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00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: and they're not down forever. They're down, and if you

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00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: can help them, like hey, can I check in with

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Speaker 1: you in the morning, you're kind of checking with you

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Speaker 1: later tonight, that's gonna buy some time. They're gonna come

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Speaker 1: out of that because nobody stays at the bottom forever.

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Speaker 1: So it's not gonna be as bad as it's like

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Speaker 1: when they make that decision, when they think it can't

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Speaker 1: get any worse, and then that's when they make the

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00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: decision and it's you can't come out of it. But

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Speaker 1: if you can get them through that little trough right there,

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Speaker 1: it's life. You know. There done that, it's not as

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Speaker 1: bad as it was. So I mean that's what I've

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people reach out to me,

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00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: and I love it. I mean, I don't love it

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00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: because I want to be able to help more than

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00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: I am that I'm able, but I did get some

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Speaker 1: tools to help people because I've struggled not with suicide,

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: but I've struggled in life wondering how I fit in.

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Speaker 1: So I get it and uh so because of that

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00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: that common thread I think about maybe feeling, you know,

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00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: like wondering how you this, how you fit in this

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00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: whole world? People do reach out, and uh man, I

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00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: do all I can. I wish I was more skilled

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00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: at of but uh I I do. I appreciate all

1094
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: the people out there, not just it's not always sun sunshine, rainbows.

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Speaker 1: I understand more struggline at times. Hey, what's your Instagram handle?

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00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: Is it just Cameron Haynes with the blue check mark

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Speaker 1: Mr Verified? Is that what it is? Put in? Cameron

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Speaker 1: Haynes will come up, but it's like, I think it's

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Speaker 1: Cameron our Haynes. Is that my actually handle? But if

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Speaker 1: you're putting Cameron Hanes, it will come up. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I love hearing from people. I'm no different

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Speaker 1: than anybody else out there. I probably get more messages

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00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: now than than some people do. But uh, I love

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Speaker 1: what social media has. I mean, we wouldn't be talking

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Speaker 1: was here we are, Yeah, exactly. I'm so thankful for

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00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: being here for each other and just being able to

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: offer support to people and then also celebrate people like

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Speaker 1: like we're able to do here. Well, what a great

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Speaker 1: note to wrap up on. And I want to say

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on Software Radio and

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00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: you know, to our listener out there, do you have

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Speaker 1: any questions or crazy thoughts, reach out to me at

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Speaker 1: rad Rocking on Instagram and I've talked to people and

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Speaker 1: I'll say hi, and you know, and thanks for tuning

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Speaker 1: into Software Radio. And I'm going to give a sign

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Speaker 1: off saying from London at the seventie jubilee for the

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Speaker 1: Queen of Peace and thanks for listening. You've been listening

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Speaker 1: to self Red Radio