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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an older role. Hey,

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Speaker 1: everybody welcomed Episode one thirty two. I am Ben O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: I am coming to you from re quarantine. I'm back

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Speaker 1: in quarantine, Phil. How do you feel about that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot the office is a lot more quiet,

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Speaker 1: and it's been pleasant. Um, it also smells a lot better.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just a coincidence or I

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Speaker 1: was thinking that you might make that joke that's inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: I'm here all alone and for for clarity. I have

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Speaker 1: than it was to possibly in fact all my good

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Speaker 1: friends over there. So, um, you're welcome, Phil, You're welcome. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I'm watching now for you, buddy. Um.

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Speaker 1: We also have Sam Longer and say what's up? Sam?

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Speaker 1: How would he? Or what's up? What up? Well? We

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Speaker 1: have the Great Land Tawny all the way from Sula,

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit too far, but good to be here.

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Speaker 1: How about the tech savvy, Land Tawny, he's done better

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Speaker 1: than most. Didn't take long. Didn't take long for that

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Speaker 1: our best we can over Squadcast, not a sponsor. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: it lasts for us, but we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: very important things to get to today. We're gonna save

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Speaker 1: all your great emails and you're not so sharp moments

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Speaker 1: for next week because we've got a very important thing.

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Speaker 1: And I will admit before we get started that we

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Speaker 1: American Outdoors Act. And that was that is not it

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Speaker 1: was not on purpose. That was not something that we

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Speaker 1: that we've got going for all of you. But before that, Land, UM,

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Speaker 1: give us an update. What was the weekend? How you feeling?

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Speaker 1: Where's where's your head at? Uh Man? I got out

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Speaker 1: And now you know, we're back at it, and momentum

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Speaker 1: Actual I'm spoke about that. How many co sponsors do

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Speaker 1: I believe. Wow, that's great to hear. That's good. That

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Speaker 1: is good news, great news. Yeah, we're gonna talk in

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Speaker 1: I will tell you in preview that Senator Heinrich said

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Speaker 1: So the Great American Outdoors Acting buying two amazing things.

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Speaker 1: It's been around since nineteen sixty four, been used in

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Speaker 1: two two two four three one two one, You give

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Speaker 1: them your zip code and then they connect you to

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Speaker 1: that office and it's very simply. You can ask them

432
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Speaker 1: to become a co sponsor of the Great American Outdoors

433
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Speaker 1: Act and make sure it gets past with no amendments.

434
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Speaker 1: And that's they're really gonna talk to a stafford that's

435
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Speaker 1: keeping score. And you know, we've been talking a lot

436
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Speaker 1: to congressional members and you know they are keeping scorer.

437
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: They call it a hot list, and they get that

438
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: list at the end of the day every day and

439
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: they're getting their phones blown up right now and that

440
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Speaker 1: needs to continue. So again that number is two O

441
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Speaker 1: two two to four three one two one, and telephone

442
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: or telephone calls definitely I think rate higher than emails.

443
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: But another way to get this done is through email.

444
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: And so through email you can. We have a take

445
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Speaker 1: action center at back on Trailers and anglers. Just go

446
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Speaker 1: to our website which is Backcountry Hunters dot org. There's

447
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: a take action center there. We make it very easy

448
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: for you. Um, you can tailor make it if you want,

449
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: but there's a kind of a ready cookie cutter piece

450
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: in there that you can send. Um, do that, and

451
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Speaker 1: then I know that you've got this new contest that

452
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Speaker 1: you talked about, and I mean I think I think

453
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Speaker 1: that awareness around land a load of conservation fund is

454
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: just vitally important right now as well. Yeah, I mean

455
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: this is just you know, this is this is uh,

456
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: this is basically a telephone That's what we're putting on

457
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: right now. Absolutely on the damn phones and call your people.

458
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a little something for all of

459
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Speaker 1: you that are listening. And because Phil will know that

460
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: when when I asked people to do something for a prize,

461
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Speaker 1: they get on it. Hundreds of you. They thousands of

462
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: you drew pictures of Phil based on his voice, and

463
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: they're there. There better be more phone calls to senators

464
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Speaker 1: and representatives right now than there were drawings of me.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of drawings of you, and they

466
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Speaker 1: were really good. Yeah. One of the things that I

467
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: was so happy about when I got back to the

468
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Speaker 1: office was that I could once again see the pictures

469
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Speaker 1: of Phil because they are still still and they are

470
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: still now pacing over your death right still there. I

471
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: was just marveling at them a moment ago. That's great work.

472
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Speaker 1: And so now we have built We've build up this

473
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Speaker 1: confidence in our audience. We you got you over a

474
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Speaker 1: quarantine before my re quarantine. The current you guys have

475
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: have drawn hand turkeys on my desk is an actuable

476
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: hand turkey that one of our great listeners made, alc Aycock,

477
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: made a hand turkey out of fly fishing material and

478
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: put it in like a custom would frame. And so

479
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I am definitely going to create a thc Hall of

480
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Speaker 1: Fame at the office and annoy all my coworkers with

481
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Speaker 1: adding to it, making it as gaudy as possible and

482
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: so um so to in turn, we want to announce

483
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Speaker 1: the Great American LWCF Challenge. And this is because I

484
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: know you all are creative sons of bitches and you

485
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Speaker 1: will absolutely do whatever we ask to win prizes. That's

486
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Speaker 1: part of it. But the other part of it is

487
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Speaker 1: I know you're conservationist and you care about this message,

488
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: and if you haven't acted yet and for some reason

489
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Speaker 1: you don't have a phone, you can do this and

490
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Speaker 1: maybe win something. So I'm phil, are you tracking me

491
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: so far? I need to explain what exactly we're gonna do. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: I mean, I may. I think I see where you're going.

493
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Speaker 1: But continue, Are you inspired yet? Have I said? Have

494
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: we said enough? Is Land said off? As Sam said,

495
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: get you to call absolutely. I mean as if hanging

496
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: and around Ryan Callahan didn't do it, this definitely did. Yeah. Well,

497
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: if um, can you start growing your mustache back and

498
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe only shave it off when this passes the bill pass?

499
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Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about that after the show, but I'm

500
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: more than happy to call my rep. Alright, alright, Well

501
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: that's enough for me. All right, Well, if you guys,

502
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: if anybody on the phone. If you ever been to

503
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Speaker 1: LWCF coalition website. I was surfing around there the other

504
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: day and they have a map of everywhere that the

505
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: LWCF had funds have gone, um at least all that

506
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Speaker 1: they have tracked. Is there any place else land that

507
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: you know that people can find all of the sites

508
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Speaker 1: that have received LWC in recent years. I think that

509
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Speaker 1: is that's the most comprehensive and and so I would

510
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Speaker 1: send people there. Some states have done a good job

511
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Speaker 1: on their own, like state agency websites doing this, but

512
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: I would go to that that LWCF dot org um

513
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: and that their coalition page is just absolutely awesome and

514
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: it's pretty user friendly. Yeah, so if you if you

515
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: go to their website, they have a map of l

516
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Speaker 1: w CF there, So you can just search LBC Coalition

517
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: map of l a w CF. It will pull up

518
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: an interactive map. You can go to your state. You

519
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: can find the sites where um LBC of dollars have gone. Now,

520
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: this is important because it's the big key part of

521
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: the contest. You gotta do some investigative work out there

522
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: where it's not going to give you stuff for nothing.

523
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: You gotta find places in your state, your region, your

524
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Speaker 1: local area where lbacy F has made an impact. And

525
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: then what you're gonna do. The first thing you're gonna

526
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: do is is traveled by bus, by car, by hot

527
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: air balloon. I don't really care how you get there.

528
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: You go to that one of these sites. It could

529
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Speaker 1: be a pool, a park, a wildlife refuge, a piece

530
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Speaker 1: of BLM ground. It doesn't matter where you go. Just

531
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Speaker 1: go there. And then when you get there, you're gonna

532
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: The first thing you're gonna do is have a good time.

533
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna recreate. You're gonna swim, You're gonna fish, You're

534
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: gonna hike, whatever you do, have a good time. And

535
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: then at some point during your good time, you're gonna

536
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: make some art. You're gonna make a music video, a

537
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: creative image. You're gonna do some sort of dance. You're

538
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna write a poem and recite it to us. You're

539
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: gonna create some sort of media that makes me and

540
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: Phil and Sam and land I think you're one of

541
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: the most awesome conservationists ever. Obto Leopold has nothing on you.

542
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna vote on the best piece of art created

543
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: on an LVCF funded site. Does that all make sense,

544
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Phil and track anybody. I got you. I think it's

545
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: a great idea. That's all I need to hear. Land,

546
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: what do you feel about this idea? Well, I think

547
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: it's awesome and I'm thinking of my own head like

548
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm ineligible, Like I I think I want to go

549
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: do this with my kids. Yes, I want you to

550
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: do it, uh, Senator Martin Heinrich. I think promised that

551
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: he would do it. If he didn't, I'm promising for

552
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: him right now. I know he's you know, he's a

553
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: busy man. But that's all you really need to do.

554
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: Have fun with it. The most creative entry will win

555
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: be a vote on this podcast. This is not a

556
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: social media contest, but I'm sure if you create some

557
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: awesome art you'll want to put it on social media.

558
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: If you do, tag me, tag Lanton, tag b h J.

559
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: Let make sure we see this um. But the only

560
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: way to win is to send your submission to t

561
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: A C at the Mediator dot com. As always, this

562
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: is a podcast contest. Because you listen, you have a

563
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: chance to win the th HC at the Mediator dot com.

564
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: You have two weeks to do this. You have two

565
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: weeks to do this so on episode one thirty four,

566
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: we will announce the winner and hopefully all of you

567
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: can join in on something that's fun. Um. Actually, I

568
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: just made a mistake, Phil, it made a mistake. There's

569
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: multiple winners, Man, we have three different whoa I know,

570
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: it's amazing. We have three different eyes to give out here.

571
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: For the for the most creative entry, we got a

572
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: first like kit pair of pants based on their out

573
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Speaker 1: of war piece. Well, i'll work with you select it.

574
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: I have my suggestions, but we'll work with you. We

575
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: have a Nemo one person, Spike Pant the second prize,

576
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: second most creative, and for the third most creative, Vortex

577
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Speaker 1: Diamondback h D fifteen my fifties six binos. So we

578
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: got some work to do. Lands on him? Did I love?

579
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: I love that package set up, and I was gonna

580
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: do it anyways. But now I'm gonna get after it

581
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: with my kids. Yeah, you get after it. I'm gonna

582
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: get after it. I'm gonna make Phil go with me somewhere,

583
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna make the most awkward social distance music video.

584
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe a dancer team. What do you feel like?

585
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: What do you feel about it? Can't wait? Man? Looking forward?

586
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: To it, Sam, you got any idea for what me

587
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: and Phil could do? Oh? I mean I'm loving music

588
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: video hip hop dance number that would really do it.

589
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: And and you know, just a note to the to

590
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the audience. I just I'm just personally very aware of

591
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: how much your your your drawings of Phil warmed Ben's

592
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: heart previously. So I don't want to interfere with anybody's

593
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: artistic process here, But if you were thinking about doing

594
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: a visual art piece including um, your uh personal you know,

595
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: mental image of Phil, and how much you would be

596
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: enjoying being in that public place with you, I mean,

597
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: that's just you know, one step closer to Ben's heart

598
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: than than anything else I can think of. Um, but

599
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: that that's just my two cents music video for you guys.

600
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: To be certain, Ben, how about we haven't we? Uh?

601
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: How about we recreate the dirty dancing dance on like

602
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: a lake side somewhere. Are you holding? Are you holding

603
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: me up? Yeah? Oh yeah, for sure? He has the

604
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: swazzy look, Ben, come on, just get a haircut nice.

605
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: And the first thing to flash through my head is

606
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: like Ben couldn't hold up Phil, but can Phil hold up? Then?

607
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: Of course probably I'm looking at those guns right now.

608
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty nice. All right. Well, I I'm certain I

609
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: don't have COVID, but I'm gonna get tested. So Phil,

610
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: as soon as i'm clear, I'm coming, I'm coming for you,

611
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do something extremely creative. Okay, good luck, Yes,

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Thanks. Bill just sent me r

613
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I P about my COVID test. Alright, but anyway, you

614
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: have to again, if you just rewind, if you want

615
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: to hear this all again. This is important to me. Again,

616
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: it's important to all of us that we raise awareness

617
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: for this really cool um piece of legislation. Not really cool,

618
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: it's monumental, it's landmark. It's something that we might not

619
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Speaker 1: see again in this generation or maybe even the next.

620
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: So um, we're gonna have fun with this. We're gonna

621
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: be as silly and it's as crazy as we need

622
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: to be. But it stands to reason that the more

623
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: we talk about this, the more that we pushed this

624
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: wherever we can, the better chances we have of being

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: able to look back a year from now and saying, hey,

626
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: we helped make this happen. Um. And I can tell

627
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: you from what you're about to hear from our congressman,

628
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: this is making a difference, which is warms my heart.

629
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Speaker 1: Anything else Lantani, I guess I just fall up what

630
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: you just said. I mean, like, you know, a lot

631
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: of people don't think their voice counts in this country anymore,

632
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: and it absolutely doesn't if you don't use it. And

633
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: this is an example of your voice actually accounting, like

634
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: thinking about all the things that are going on this

635
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: country right now, and the Senate passes this and now

636
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: we're moving on to the House like this is vitally

637
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: important because you all have made a difference and like

638
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: to me, Um, you know where we got the finish

639
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: line in sight and stid of put the pedal down

640
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Speaker 1: and so we can celebrate again like it's I love it.

641
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Speaker 1: Well to help us at on here, I wanted to

642
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Speaker 1: make sure that we had a bipartisan show of support

643
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Speaker 1: for this legislation, and we wanted to highlight some individuals

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Speaker 1: that are absolutely helping us, UM on the floor get

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Speaker 1: this done. We've already mentioned the Senator Martin Heinrich, the

646
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Speaker 1: Great State of New Mexico, a friend of b h A,

647
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Speaker 1: a friend of meat eaters and all around legitimate outdoorsman

648
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Speaker 1: hunter angler. Everything I chatted with him and then Republicans

649
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Speaker 1: Steve Stivers from the fifteenth District in Ohio. UM, And

650
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: again we wanted to make sure we talked to both

651
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Speaker 1: sides of the aisle about why this was important. And

652
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Speaker 1: as you listen to these two interviews, UM, remember that

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Speaker 1: these two and the time has Land said that's divided

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Speaker 1: at the time, it's very partisan. Here are two individuals

655
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Speaker 1: that are united around around this legislation, around what it means.

656
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Speaker 1: So I think it's a it's really good to listen

657
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Speaker 1: closely to what they have to say and how they

658
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: how kind of mirrors each other. And so rather than

659
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Speaker 1: just called the congressional switchboard, we called actual congressman. And

660
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Speaker 1: so now listen to those folks. First center Heinrich and

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Speaker 1: the AFTERHAMI year Congressman Steve Stivers. Enjoy cenator Heinrich, How

662
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Speaker 1: are you, sir? I'm doing well. Light at the end

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Speaker 1: of the tunnel here. How are things in New Mexico?

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Speaker 1: Thanks in New Mexico are great. Unfortunately I am sitting

665
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Speaker 1: at my desk in Washington at the moment, but I'm

666
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Speaker 1: looking forward to getting back for a couple of weeks.

667
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Speaker 1: Over at the fourth July and U hoping to see

668
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Speaker 1: the house move with Great American Outdoors in that work session,

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Speaker 1: So I plan on heading over to the house floor

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Speaker 1: exercising my old house privileges. Well, I'd love to talk

671
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Speaker 1: to you about hunting and fishing. Um, we get a

672
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Speaker 1: lot of trade, a lot of stories, and I know

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Speaker 1: Steve Ronella was just down in New Mexico and we

674
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: were talking at ORCS, but we do need to to

675
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Speaker 1: get serious and talk about the Great American Outdoors Act.

676
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Speaker 1: And I think the the easiest question, and I think

677
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Speaker 1: I know what your answer is going to be, but

678
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Speaker 1: I want everybody to hear it, is why do you

679
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Speaker 1: believe in this legislation and and what do you think

680
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Speaker 1: it's going to do for Americans that love to recreate outside? Honestly,

681
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Speaker 1: I think I think this is the biggest UH conservation accomplishment.

682
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Speaker 1: And it's obviously not thinks not dry until it's done,

683
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Speaker 1: it's not done. But of anything I've worked on in

684
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Speaker 1: my entire career, much of it's been incremental, or it's

685
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Speaker 1: been very specific to a certain area in a certain

686
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Speaker 1: state or a certain national forest. And this is a

687
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Speaker 1: systemic effort to improve not only our ability to protect

688
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Speaker 1: landscapes UM, but also to do the kind of access

689
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: programs that you can really only fund through land and

690
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Speaker 1: water conservation funds. So this is the biggest systemic conservation

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Speaker 1: um effort that I've been a part of, and it's frankly,

692
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Speaker 1: I think it's of the scale of that we haven't

693
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Speaker 1: seen for many, many decades. Did you feel you know,

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Speaker 1: the Land Word Conservation Fund is kind of this at

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Speaker 1: the center of this legislation in many ways, as with

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Speaker 1: the maintenance backlog addressing that. Can you just talk about LWCF.

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Speaker 1: I know people that listen to this show and that

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Speaker 1: that are members of backcount owners and anglers will have

699
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Speaker 1: a good idea of it, but I'd love to just

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Speaker 1: kind of hear your explanation of of LWCF. Yes, So

701
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Speaker 1: LWCF Land and Water Conservation Fund was set up in

702
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Speaker 1: the early sixties, around when offshore oil and gas development

703
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Speaker 1: was first really getting started, and the idea was very simple.

704
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Speaker 1: It was to say, this is a non renewable resource

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Speaker 1: and we're taking something, so we should dedicate part of

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Speaker 1: that to giving back to the outdoors and to spend

707
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Speaker 1: those dollars in ways that create public lands and public

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Speaker 1: waters and access to the places in the outdoors that

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Speaker 1: we that we love. And um, it was an incredible idea.

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Speaker 1: It's been an incredibly successful program. Um. It ranges from

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Speaker 1: buying properties that become national parks or uh new wildlife

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Speaker 1: refuges to buying soccer fields in small towns. Yeah, specifically

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Speaker 1: in your state, New Mexico. What what have you seen

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Speaker 1: the lp c F two and what do you hope

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Speaker 1: that it might you know, might do in the future

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Speaker 1: when it gets fully funded. Boy, I'll give you a

717
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Speaker 1: couple of incredible examples in New Mexico. And uh, the

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Speaker 1: one I always think back to is the Bias Caldera

719
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Speaker 1: because Bias Caldera is a big volcanic caldera in the

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Speaker 1: northern part of the state. It is um A lot

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Speaker 1: of people call it New Mexico's Yellowstone because it's the

722
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Speaker 1: same kind of collapsed super volcano. And then you have

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Speaker 1: these high elevation rolling meadows surrounded by by volcanic peaks,

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Speaker 1: and it's home to one of the biggest elkirds in

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Speaker 1: the state. It's home to hot springs as well as

726
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Speaker 1: cold water fisheries. It's just a really special place. And

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Speaker 1: as early as the nineteen teens. There were New Mexico

728
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Speaker 1: senators who wanted to make it a national park um.

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Speaker 1: I was part of a group that actually passed legislation

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Speaker 1: to make it a National Park Service preserve to preserve

731
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Speaker 1: the hunting and fishing as well as to have the

732
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Speaker 1: um you know, the marquee of having the Park Service

733
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Speaker 1: manage it never would have been possible without the Land

734
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Speaker 1: and Water Conservation Fund. And then we have examples like

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Speaker 1: this Abinosa Wilderness that were literally landlocked. Uh. You know,

736
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Speaker 1: a similar situation of what you might think of with

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Speaker 1: the crazy mountains in Montana, no real public access, not

738
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Speaker 1: even a walk in eastment from thirty years ago. And

739
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: we were able to get the public back into that

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Speaker 1: landscape using using Land and Water Conservation Fund dollars. So

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Speaker 1: it really is an amazingly important program for your average

742
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Speaker 1: kid who just wants to be able to go play

743
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Speaker 1: stickball someplace, to somebody who relies on these public lands

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Speaker 1: to fill their freezer and and feed their family. Yeah,

745
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: it's so it's so vast the impact of this bill.

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Speaker 1: We're asking our listeners in this episode to go find

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Speaker 1: a place near them, you know, Well, we're gonna provide

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Speaker 1: a map that the Land and Water Conservation Fund Coalition

749
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Speaker 1: that has on their website and ask people to go

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Speaker 1: out find a place that's been funded or impacted by

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Speaker 1: LBCF and go recreate there, take a photo, do something

752
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: really cool, and you know, and and to get this

753
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: idea that this is so ubiquitous it is everywhere. In fact,

754
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Speaker 1: my son there's a dinosaur parking Bowsman that my son

755
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: loves to play at and there's a big sign right

756
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: in front that says this is funded by LWCF. So

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00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: it's a good point that you make that that there's

758
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: so many things from swimming pools to parks, you know,

759
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: outside of the things you and I love to do

760
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: outside in hunting and fishing. Yeah, now it's a continuum.

761
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: And when you give kids the opportunity to fall in

762
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: love with the outdoors, then they grew up. And you know,

763
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Speaker 1: I I myself, I was an adult onset hunter. I

764
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: didn't start really getting serious and relying on hunting and

765
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: fishing to fill the freezer until I was late twenties,

766
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Speaker 1: early thirties probably, And but I had that love from

767
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: places that were close to me when I was a kid.

768
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Speaker 1: And I really think that every kid across this country

769
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Speaker 1: needs to have that opportunity if we're going to have

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Speaker 1: a generation that wants to steward these places when we're

771
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: all gone. Yeah, incredibly important, and it it has become

772
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Speaker 1: you know, in the vote in the Senate there was

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Speaker 1: seventy three a's and twenty five days, so there was

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Speaker 1: it's it's I think probably in this political climate, you

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00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: would agree that this issue has become bipartisan. Uh do

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00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: you guys talk about that within Congress? But how this

777
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: issue is seems to be a unifying issue. It seems

778
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Speaker 1: to be bipartisan. I you know, by the votes and

779
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: the actions, it is bipartisan. And it wasn't always so

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Speaker 1: much that way. If you went back to public lands

781
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: were more partisan, and I mean I viscerally had a

782
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: negative reaction to that when I got to Congress and

783
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: saw how, um, public lands were really a battle for

784
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: various think tanks on the left and right in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d c. And to me, it was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: care what part of the political spectrum you're on in

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Speaker 1: New Mexico, you use these places that they're the places

788
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: that your family goes to on the weekends, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was really I think a concerted effort

790
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: and sportsmen were a critical part of it over the

791
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: last ten years to regain that American center because there's

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Speaker 1: nothing more democratic, in my view, been public lands. It

793
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how thicker thin your wallet is. You get

794
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: to go out and use these places. Um. You know,

795
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: whether you're a bird watcher or whether you want to

796
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: put an elk in your freezer, it doesn't matter. They're yours,

797
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: They're your birthright. And uh we as a result, I

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00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: think we've really regained a strong bipartisan coalition that that

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00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: represents where America is today. From hunting and fishing groups

800
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: to many other user groups all came together to make

801
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: this possible and to give people like me the political

802
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 1: momentum to work with my colleagues on the other side

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00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: of the aisle to get this over the finish line. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we've We've always appreciated you coming to the rendezvous and

805
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: been being a part of content like this and helping

806
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: us really understand what we can do. Um And so

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00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, other than calling congressional switchboard and talking about this,

808
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, you know, we do we. I was

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00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: just talking to Lantani. He's been on with us and

810
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: we were just saying, we want to get this over

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Speaker 1: the finish line. We know everyone's very confident. I'm assuming

812
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: you're confident as well, but you know, kind of give

813
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: us a you know, take a temperature of where you

814
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: are right now with us as we go to the

815
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Speaker 1: House vote and then signature by President Trump. You know,

816
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: I feel really good about the prospects for the House vote,

817
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: but I'm also very paranoid because I've been in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Long enough to know that things can go

819
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: sideways for completely unexpected reasons having nothing to do with

820
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: the issue at hand or that you're trying to get past.

821
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Speaker 1: And so I think just keeping everyone focused on the

822
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: importance of this uh continuing to reinforce for all of

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Speaker 1: those members, you know, whether you're in southwestern Idaho or

824
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: northeastern New Mexico or anywhere in between. Like just keeping

825
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: the calls coming in and really giving people the motivation

826
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Speaker 1: to know that this is a part of history that

827
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Speaker 1: they can be part of and be proud of long

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Speaker 1: after they've on their service in in Washington. Yeah, it's

829
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: been good to see, even within the hunting industry, for

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Speaker 1: all the conservation organizations to be behind this from the

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Speaker 1: Sheep Foundation to b h A all the way to the

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Speaker 1: the Boone and Crockett Club. Everybody's expressed their support. So

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00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: it's good too, good to see that coalition in a

834
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: sense come together and be able to really affect and

835
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Speaker 1: make your job easier. So no question, I wish, I

836
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: wish we could trade what we're doing this well, actually

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll take some time for that. What are you

838
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: doing this fall? What big hunts? Anything you're excited to

839
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: tell people about. Um? Well, I I did not do

840
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: too well in in my draw in UH in New Mexico.

841
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Speaker 1: Uh So for the first time, I am planning a

842
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: trip uh to Alaska for for Cariboo, a bit of

843
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: a father's son trip and so um yeah, I'm really

844
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: excited about it. That's great. Yeah, well I didn't do

845
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: so well, but it's nice to know that even senators

846
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: have problems in the tag drawl, so just like the

847
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: rest of us. Um but I'm glad you got here

848
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: going north with your son and and that you're they're

849
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: supporting what we love here at this show. And everybody

850
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater always wants me to say thank you

851
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: to you for all that you do for us and

852
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: for supporting our lifestyle and and and all the conservations

853
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: out there that are fighting to get this through. So Senators,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you guys, because you really

855
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: have changed the dynamic. It's so much easier to to

856
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: do these things in a bipartisan way. And I think

857
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: because you represent people from such a diversity of states,

858
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: it really has changed the dynamic on the ground in Congress.

859
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm grateful to all the folks who follow

860
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: you because they're part of that. Yeah, it's it's been

861
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: huge for us to see to see from the east

862
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: to the South, to the north, to you know, to

863
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: your home state in New Mexico, that we've been able

864
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: to you know, just tell people that this this stuff

865
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: matters and you can make a difference in a time

866
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: where most people don't feel that in other aspects of

867
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: our culture and society. So exactly right, this is a

868
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: good a good moment, a good moment for this bill.

869
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy that we're pushing it and we're going to

870
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: continue to kind of get the word out and talking

871
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 1: to everybody we can. Great. Thanks for having me, Ben,

872
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, Senator Representative Stuyvers. How are you today, sir,

873
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: Hey I'm great. How are you guys doing. We're not

874
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: doing too bad here in Montana. I'm here with Sam

875
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: Longer in my colleague. We are doing a podcast and

876
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: covering the Great American Outdoors Act. We're excited that it's

877
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: gotten its way to the House, but we are still

878
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: pushing hard to make sure he gets all the way

879
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: to the president's death. So I wanted to catch up

880
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: with you and talk a little bit about the legislation. UM,

881
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: I guess we'll give you it. We'll start with an

882
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: easy one. Why why did you um co sponsor the bill?

883
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: Or why did you sponsor the bill and put it

884
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: into the House. Well, one of the reasons I'm one

885
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: of the original co sponsors is the Land and Water

886
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Conservation Fund. It works. It's a great public private partnership

887
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: it that allows for conservation, allows people to use our

888
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: public lands and get access to the great outdoors. And

889
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm lucky in my district have some really cool places

890
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: like the Wayne National Forest and the Hockey Hills that

891
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: are amazing. I was a boy scout growing up, so

892
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: the outdoors have always had a really important place in

893
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: my heart and in my life, and so I wanted

894
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody has access to the great outdoors.

895
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: And you know, we have in our natural parks that

896
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: twenty billion dollar maintenance backlog right now. Uh, there's all

897
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: kinds of things that need to get done, and so

898
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I thought it was really important that we have permanent

899
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund because it works.

900
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: And um so I'm excited to be one of the

901
00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: original co sponsors. Just yesterday, the Republican leader Ken and

902
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy announced his endorsement of the bill, which is a

903
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: big deal. And earlier in Luis Skinny Hoyer announced that

904
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: he would bring the bill up for a vote near

905
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: the end of July. Originally we were hoping that we

906
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: might actually get the bill on a suspension vote. It'll

907
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: it sounds like from what the Majority leader Stinny Hoyer

908
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: announce he's gonna bring it up under a rule vote.

909
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: That's okay. You know, it still passes. In fact, under

910
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: a rule it's easier to pass. Only needs two eighteen

911
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: votes versus two hundred ninety votes, and I feel confident

912
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: that we'll have over three votes on this bill. So

913
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: we're working hard every day. I'm texting and calling my

914
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: colleagues to get more co sponsors every day, and I

915
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 1: feel really good about our chances to get this done.

916
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, right now, given COVID nineteen and

917
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: everything that's going on, people are yearning for the great

918
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: outdoors and it's uh, it's an incredible economic boon for

919
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: our economy too. If you just look at my district, UM,

920
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: people spent one point three seven billion dollars last year

921
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: on outdoor recreation. Uh, that's a big deal. And you

922
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: know last year a million Ohioans purchased either hunting licenses

923
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: or fishing licenses, So we've got a lot of hunters

924
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: and anglers in Ohio. Yeah, well that's that's really We

925
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: just want to partly say thank you for pushing so

926
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: hard at this, you know, all the way from Montana.

927
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: This means it's something to every American that likes to

928
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: go outside. As you mentioned, why do you think this

929
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: is such a bipartisan effort this can be in such

930
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: a polar polarized time. We're now looking at, um a

931
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: great piece of legislation that's by Cameron and bipartisans. Have

932
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: you talked about that with your colleagues, have you guys

933
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: discussed that or why do you think, Um, you're so confident. Yeah,

934
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I have, And I think it's Yeah, I think it's

935
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: the fact that, uh, like I said, so many people

936
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: already understand and appreciate great outdoors and they're so many

937
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: people that are yearning to be outdoors given what we're

938
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: all trying to cope with on the coronavirus and everything else,

939
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: that it's something like this that that can bring people

940
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: together in the House and the Senate Republicans and Democrats,

941
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that's great for every American.

942
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: So it's pretty easy. Yeah, thank thank you, Steve. We

943
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: really appreciate you carrying the water there for us. We've

944
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: been publishing a lot about this this bill, and we're

945
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: just really excited about it. You know, we've been fans

946
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: of LWCF for a long time and it's great to

947
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: see money actually going towards restoring some of these these

948
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: parks and places. Um. And you know, you kind of

949
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 1: already answered my question a little bit here about why now,

950
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: But I'd also love to hear you talk about kind

951
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: of the job's aspect of this, because I've I've heard

952
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of optimism expressed that in a time of

953
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: what is it now national unemployment, Like what what do

954
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: you think this legislation could do to address that issue?

955
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: I think it can um encourage and and help people

956
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: understand that they can go enjoy the great outdoors. People

957
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: are this summer with you know a lot of public

958
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: pools closed. Things are not back to normal yet. Um.

959
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, the camps that my daughter and son we're

960
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna go to got canceled this summer. So I think

961
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna be going to the Wayne National Force and

962
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: the Hockey Hills this summer. The Hockey Hill State Parks

963
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: just open back up, and so we're gonna be enjoying

964
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: the great outdoors ourselves. And I think a lot of

965
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: people can do that. And when they do that, like

966
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: I said, last year, people spent one point three seven

967
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: billion dollars in my district alone. I expect that number

968
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: will actually be hired this year. Uh. And you know,

969
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: we've got great UM folks that support that in my district.

970
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: Hilaris makes a lot of side by side UM motorsport

971
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: vehicles and that people can joy UM in the Wayne

972
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: National Forest. We've got Rocky Boots, which is a boot

973
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: manufacturer in Nelsonville, Ohio, and my district. So not only

974
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: does it support jobs of the people at these venues,

975
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: but it supports jobs because people you know, might go

976
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: get a new set of boots to go when they

977
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: go out hiking or something like that. So it supports

978
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of jobs. And the RV and and motorsports

979
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: uh uh sectors to which I think are really important.

980
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people that enjoy the back country enjoy

981
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: it in uh in the in in motorized vehicles. Yeah. Absolutely,

982
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: um that and that's that's great to hear. We'd all

983
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: love to see more people getting back to work. I

984
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: know it's true some hard times going on across the country. Uh.

985
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I'd love to discuss with you

986
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: is that there's uh, you know, a vocal minority emerging

987
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: in uh in the House that is in uh, pretty

988
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: serious opposition to this bill. I know it's it's not

989
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot of representatives. And you

990
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: said that you thought you'd probably have three votes. That's

991
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: amazing to hear. But you know, I imagine you've had

992
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: conversations with some of those congressmen, and I just love

993
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: to love to hear about what what how those conversations

994
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: have gone and uh, you know what what we can

995
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: we can all do as a community to address some

996
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: of those concerns. Yeah. So there are some folks in

997
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: the areas Louisiana, the off shore areas that wants some

998
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: of the UM offshore drilling revenue share change with their states.

999
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: Uh those are you know. So it's it's states from

1000
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: the Gulf Coast mostly that I've heard some concerns about.

1001
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: And we can work through some of those issues. Uh,

1002
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, we have some Um I think there may

1003
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: be a way to get to an answer that makes

1004
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: those folks happy, uh, and still get the done because

1005
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: it's really important. Yeah, there are there ways that you

1006
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: envisioned that it doesn't get done. I know we're all

1007
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: we're confident here, but we've been talking with Lantani from

1008
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: back count of hunters and anglers and some other folks,

1009
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to make sure people understand that

1010
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: we're not across the finish line yet. UM. Some ways

1011
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: to go. UM. I know your confidence level is high,

1012
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: but what's the concern if any well, the other concerns.

1013
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: The other other concern out there is, you know, we've

1014
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: got some folks who I think are worried that, um,

1015
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: this will lead to kind of a land graph, but

1016
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: the LWCS has always been a willing buy or willing

1017
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: seller markets. I think we can address those concerns too.

1018
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not concerned. Uh, you know, people start out with

1019
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: some issues, but I feel confident will get well over

1020
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: three uh supporters of this build before it makes it

1021
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: through the House. You know, there was a solid vote

1022
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: in the Senate that was great to see and uh,

1023
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, we can certainly figure that out here in

1024
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: the House. And I feel confident we'll get this thing done. It.

1025
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, like any bill, it takes work. But luckily

1026
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of us who are working on this aren't

1027
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: scared of work. The President supports this bill and it

1028
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: is looking forward to signing it, so I know that

1029
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: that that will be helpful to some folks here. And

1030
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: and you know, it's always good to know that you

1031
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: don't face any kind of veto threat. You've got a

1032
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: president that actually wants to help out and sign a bill.

1033
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: That's great. And there's other you know, other things that

1034
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: we Before we let you go, I want to talk

1035
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: about in the veterans world. UM at b h A

1036
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: where I'm sitting on the board in Sam's a former

1037
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: employee b h A. We care about that organization a lot,

1038
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: and they have an armed Forces initiative that they're working

1039
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: on right now to get veterans in the outdoors. And

1040
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: I know you yourself have been hard on the one

1041
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: of the champions of veterans issues. You are, yourself spent

1042
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: thirty years in the Ohio Army National Guard. So I

1043
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: just wanted to give you a chance to talk about,

1044
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, your passion for veterans and a little bit

1045
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: of what you feel like the outdoors can do for

1046
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: for those folks. Well, I've gotten a chance to serve

1047
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: with a lot of amazing people both in my time

1048
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: in the National Guard when I deployed the Operation Racky

1049
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: Freedom as an Italian commander, and you know, unfortunately, I've

1050
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: had soldiers that served under me that have faced things

1051
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: like post traumatic stress and mental illness as a result

1052
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: of their service. And you know, I've seen the great

1053
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: outdoors serve as an amazing therapy for our veterans that

1054
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: have post traumatic stress. You know, gaining access to that

1055
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: kind of recreation really is therapeutic. And um, I've seen

1056
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: a ton of programs, uh that that helped make sure

1057
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: that those soldiers, sailors, airmond Marines have sort of mission

1058
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: oriented tasks that allow them to uh get back to

1059
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: who they were and uh and just being in the outdoors,

1060
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: as I said, is very therapeutic to them. So I've

1061
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: really um seen that as one of the positive things.

1062
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited that so many folks are working

1063
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: to help our veterans that need it get access to

1064
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: the great outdoors because it does make a huge, huge difference,

1065
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: um in their symptoms of depression and post traumatic stress.

1066
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: You know, we lose twenty two veterans a day to suicide,

1067
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Speaker 1: and if we can even stop some of that, uh,

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: it'll be a big, big deal. That's huge. And we

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00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: really appreciate all the way from out here Montana. We

1070
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: appreciate your support on Great American Outdoors Act and everything

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00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: that you do represented stiverers. Thank you so much, and

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00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: UM appreciate you have a good day out there in Ohio.

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00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: Thank you too. Take care guys, All right, thank you

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00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: so much. Thanks. That's it. That's all another episode in

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00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: the books. How you feeling, Philly? Feeling good? Good? Yeah, Yeah,

1076
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: it's it's really uh, it's kind of crazy. That this

1077
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: thing is actually happening, which part the fact that I'm

1078
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: getting tested for COVID or the fact that that h no,

1079
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: that was only a matter of time. I'm talking about

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00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: the great American outdoors act man. Yeah, I will say

1081
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, you know, we try a kid about

1082
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: as much as we can. I am fine, hopefully. Um,

1083
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm just worried about everybody around me. So I don't wanna.

1084
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to be patient zero. I don't want

1085
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: to get anyone sick, including my family or anyone around me.

1086
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: So I am. I missed Jari Faarat his wedding over

1087
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: the weekend. I'm missing a week or so in the office,

1088
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: but it is u important to to understand what's going

1089
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: on around us and make sure we're making the best

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: decisges possible. So I'm trying to do the best I

1091
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: can for that, and hopefully next week or the week

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00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: after I'll be back in the office. We'll be back

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00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: to normal, as normal as we can be during times

1094
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: of COVID um. And so don't miss me too bad, Phil,

1095
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: am I supposed to respond to that, You know, what's

1096
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: just funt of that at all? Phil, hold On, I

1097
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: feel I feel are we going downhill our relationship are

1098
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're just more disconnected than ever?

1099
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: What I do know, everything's everything's great. I don't know

1100
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I think it's just the whole

1101
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, working from home and then coming back, but

1102
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: then you know, we still have guests that are remote.

1103
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: It's just it's just different, different times, different times. It

1104
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: is different times, um for sure, but thanks for thanks

1105
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,479
Speaker 1: to you, Thanks to you for sticking with me feel

1106
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: throughout this. I really you've been by my side, you know,

1107
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: and without fail, and so that means a lot. It's

1108
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: been my pleasure. Don't get emotional. I can see that.

1109
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: I can see you might be getting emotional. Do not

1110
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: do it, Okay, I'm I'm I'm laughing, So the tears

1111
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: don't come out. That's it, that's what you're all right. Well,

1112
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: thank you to Senator Heinrich, thank you to Representative Steve

1113
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: Stivers from Ohio. Thank you to Lantani, thank you to

1114
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Sam Longer, and thanks to everybody's been a part of

1115
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: talking about and analyzing and pushing forward this legislation. We

1116
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: don't often talk about important legislation here, but this is

1117
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: one that I think and we all think, um that

1118
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: that really needs to be highlighted for the reasons we've

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: already said, so we won't labor that. So again, if

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Speaker 1: if you have questions about this, there's many many resources

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: where you can go. The LWCF Coalition is one. Back

1122
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: your back country hunters and English is one. The Mediator

1123
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: dot com is he had another. UM get educated wherever

1124
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: you can listen to whatever credible source that you can find.

1125
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: But again, getting educated and thinking about this is important.

1126
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: So again the Great American LWCF Challenge, I want to

1127
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: go over one more time so everybody has a chance

1128
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: to hear it again. It's really a five step process.

1129
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: The first step is you're gonna travel to an LWCF

1130
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: funded site. You can find that on the LWCF Coalition website.

1131
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: You can find their map of LWCF sites there. It's

1132
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: easy to find. Trust me UM. Travel to a site

1133
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: could be a pool park, a wildlife refuge, piece bl

1134
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: on ground, doesn't matter, you go there. The second thing

1135
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: you do, you have a good time, recreate, enjoy that

1136
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: piece of property, enjoy that land um for what it's

1137
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: meant to be enjoyed for. Then you're gonna during the visit,

1138
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: you're going to create something a music video, an image,

1139
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: a drawing, a dance, a poem, any other ideas Phil

1140
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: for what people could do. Let's see, how about a

1141
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: short film? Is that too long? Uh No, a short

1142
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: film is not too long by definition for three to

1143
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: five minutes. I want. I want character arcs. I want twists,

1144
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: surprising twists, the I want I want professional level cinematography.

1145
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: UM should be easy, yes, perfect. Phil has very few

1146
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: Phil often doesn't make your quest of you out there

1147
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: and listener land, so when I when he speaks, you

1148
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: should listen. You know what we like, man, We like

1149
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: poems with like music, We like drawing anything, anything that's

1150
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: creative that expresses your your love for Phil and White

1151
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: Claw and your hate for peas. Natural line could be

1152
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: in there. Whatever, it doesn't matter. You could bring a

1153
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: natural line with you to the place. UM. Anything that

1154
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: makes us laugh, that makes us think about conservation, public

1155
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: fans works for us. UM. Again, you have a couple

1156
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: of weeks to do this. Hopefully you're listening to this.

1157
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: On June twenty nine, two weeks from today, we will

1158
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: get together, have a couple of white claws. Hopefully I'll

1159
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: be cleared of any illness, and we'll get together with

1160
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: our crew and do some laughing and some voting on

1161
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: what you guys turned in and to close it all out,

1162
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: if you want to be considered, you're sending it to

1163
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: me a th HC at the Mediator dot com th

1164
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 1: HC at the media dot com. Thanks to first like

1165
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: Nemo and Vortex for being involved and giving away awesome

1166
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: prizes for everybody out there. This is a big deal

1167
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: to me, big deals with a lot of people, and

1168
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that you all can can jump on board

1169
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: with us and and um have a little fun. So

1170
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,919
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all I have to say, and we'll

1171
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: be back next week. With my friends Ryan and Hillary Lampers,

1172
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: we were up in three Forks where they live, talking

1173
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: about their Hunt Harvest Health platform, what they do, who

1174
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: they are, how they handle their marriage a hunter and

1175
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: a non hunter together, um, how we can maybe do

1176
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: that better with our spouses and then film maybe once

1177
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: you become a hunter, this might help you learn how

1178
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Yeah, I mean I so, I

1179
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: just got done editing that episode, and I really enjoyed

1180
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: that conversation because it's not really something I have ever

1181
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: had to think about. But it also made me think

1182
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: that I will never be able to be a hunter

1183
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: because I feel I feel guilty leaving my family to

1184
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. So Brian Lampers leaves for

1185
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: twenty days at a time, comes and maybe comes back

1186
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: with an animal, maybe not. Um, so it's a sacrifice. Fill.

1187
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: Everybody's at this point that the community pressure is on

1188
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: youth Phil because everybody wants you to go hunting. I

1189
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: get a message a day frankly for people encouraging me

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: to get you out there. Yeah, well you better get

1191
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: on that. This is all this is your responsibility. I'm

1192
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm just waiting for things to happen

1193
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not being very, very very proactive. Um,

1194
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: that's true. Is your number changed? What was your number

1195
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: before earlier this? Well, I think my number has changed.

1196
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: I think it was too and then maybe I brought

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01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: it up to a four or four and a half

1198
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: of well calling air calling. Know you're listening. If you

1199
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: need to send Phil, I know you send him a

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01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: book about how to poop in the woods. If you

1201
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: need to thank you, a letter of encouragement or anything

1202
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: like that, please do Why right, everybody, I am doing

1203
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: my best to stick with you through some weirdness, but

1204
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: we will see you next week. Please. I will be

1205
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: refreshing my h C at the media dot Com email

1206
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: all week and over the weekend hoping to see what

1207
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: are some awesome entries for our great American ELMCF contest.

1208
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fun ride. I'm excited. I know

1209
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: you are, to Phil correct. I love a good contest.

1210
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: You know. At first, I was kind of I was

1211
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: getting kind of sick of the contest ben to be honest,

1212
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, it was just so much content. It

1213
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: was hard to to sit around and judge people because

1214
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: I hated saying anything negative. I wanted to support everybody.

1215
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: So I was glad the contests were over. But now

1216
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I I want more. I'm I'm ready for

1217
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: a new wave of of user content. Well, I mean,

1218
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: I am. I want to be And I've said this

1219
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if I've ever said it on

1220
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: the show, but I'm trying to be the Oprah of

1221
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: Hunting book clubs lots of contests. That's what I want.

1222
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: I just want that to be our brand. And um,

1223
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: I'll do anything to make it happen. Yeah, well, they

1224
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: already pay you as much as Oprah got paid, so

1225
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true, all right, But I can we

1226
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: give away a car next time you think we're really

1227
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: all right, that's fine, all right, everybody, We will see

1228
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: you next week. Enjoy the contest. Say bye, philm goodbye.

1229
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, because I can't go a week without doing

1230
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:28,959
Speaker 1: rung without rung up drank