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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, we have

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Speaker 1: a guest today to talk about potential new ownership in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But let's before we get to our guest, a couple

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Speaker 1: bits of news from camp today. We're recording this on

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Speaker 1: what days today? Thursday? This is Thursday training brain. Nico

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Speaker 1: Horner will not be traveling with the team to Japan.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense for him. They they've been

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Speaker 1: targeting the US portion of opening the opener in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: He's still on schedule. This is not a setback. This

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Speaker 1: is not like a huge bit of bad news. I

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Speaker 1: think the plan is why get him jet lagged. He

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Speaker 1: needs to play, He needs to have a normal build

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Speaker 1: up to the season. They've been they've been hopeful that

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Speaker 1: he'd be ready for the US portion. That's the expectation.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like he needs an eel stint. That's like,

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Speaker 1: there's these rules are weird with with Japan, so we

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Speaker 1: won't need to go on the il. Other little bit

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Speaker 1: of news that I think is important and we'll get

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Speaker 1: into all this in greater detail next week. Matt Shaw

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Speaker 1: is supposed is on target to play in a game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and everything is still on the table for him,

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Speaker 1: so he has a chance to make the roster for Japan.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's a significant bit of news. And

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Speaker 1: I would say this that we have I think we

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Speaker 1: may have touched on this earlier in the week. But

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about second base, age Workman is not

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Speaker 1: in the mix for second base. If there's only a

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Speaker 1: hole second base, it would be Birdie, Vidal Bruhan, and

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Speaker 1: possibly Nick Nicki Lopez. Those are the three names I

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Speaker 1: would keep in an eye on for second base. If

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Speaker 1: there's a whole at third base, Gauge Workman is is

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Speaker 1: in the mix as well, So we can touch on

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Speaker 1: that more later. Bat For now, let's get to our

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Speaker 1: guest second time on the show, right, guys, guy John Greenberg,

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Speaker 1: what's a little, uh.

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Speaker 3: Little.

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Speaker 1: News. We always bring you on for the sock stuff

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Speaker 1: wespond Yeah, yeah, uh, it's.

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Speaker 4: Just for Nico Horner. We know he's not playing this year.

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Speaker 1: He's fine, he's good. He gave the news to Jesse

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm upset about. Why not come up to

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Speaker 1: me and tell me that's that's the upsetting bit, right,

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Speaker 1: You're being honest, all right, John, You've been all over this.

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Speaker 1: You you broke this news, right, you had justin.

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Speaker 5: It's like the biggest four story in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got Arizona brain.

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Speaker 4: Dude.

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Speaker 1: You know I can't keep up on everything White Sox.

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Speaker 1: I stay out of White Sox business. Uh uh, why

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Speaker 1: don't you just tell us how this came about? I

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Speaker 1: mean it's pretty significant because the way I talked to

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Speaker 1: Dan Hayes for the past over the past month, and

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Speaker 1: it sounded like that was happening in Minnesota. So how

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Speaker 1: did this happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I shocked Dan Hayes's world, and I texted like

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Speaker 4: a week. It was actually like it was like last Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I found out about it and I texted him.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's the first person I texted about it,

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Speaker 4: or second person. But yeah, he couldn't believe it. So

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Speaker 4: from what it sounds like from our reporting is that

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Speaker 4: during the process of justin Ishbia looking to buy the

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Speaker 4: that behind the scenes stuff that the reinestorfs came to

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Speaker 4: him about increasing his share with the team, and I

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Speaker 4: suppose it had happened in the last month, you know,

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Speaker 4: reported in January that both the Ishbia brothers were like

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Speaker 4: those silent limited partners of the White Sox and that

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Speaker 4: that had been going on for like four years and

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Speaker 4: no one knew about it had never been reported, and

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Speaker 4: that was from when Michael hinstor If, Jerry Sun and

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Speaker 4: his brother Jonathan started buying out the limited partners. They

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Speaker 4: And I had found out in the fall that how

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Speaker 4: was actually increasing his stake. Now, the conflicting stuff is

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Speaker 4: every bit of information that Dan and I got was

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Speaker 4: that this was with a controlling interest in mind. You know,

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Speaker 4: we didn't know we were. What I was trying to

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Speaker 4: get was whether it's a guarantee, whether it was first

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Speaker 4: Someone in baseball floated the David Blitzer scenario with the

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Speaker 4: like he could buy the team within like six years

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Speaker 4: and they actually made that public. The Guardians, right, White

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Speaker 4: Sucks are much different. You know, they wouldn't even I

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Speaker 4: don't think if I would have, if I wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: me their statement denying that there's any kind of plan,

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Speaker 4: that they don't make their Minority Limited partners identities public,

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Speaker 4: and you can't find a list of them anywhere, like

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Speaker 4: I know some that's what kind of you know, how

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Speaker 4: said he claimed there's thirty three of them. I asked

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Speaker 4: one of the Minority partners and he said, there's way more,

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Speaker 4: but maybe those people would all sold, you know, to

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Speaker 4: so there's a lot of you know, you can't get

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Speaker 4: have till tomorrow and that would be Friday. Speaking on Thursday,

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Speaker 4: they have till Friday to the Limited Partners to decide

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Speaker 4: if they're selling or not. And the valuation that I

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Speaker 4: believe is around one point eight billion. I know people

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Speaker 4: I can't imagine anyone's waiting till tomorrow's deadline. I think

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Speaker 4: there could be a new owner of the White Sox

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Speaker 2: I have lots of questions, but I think the main

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Speaker 5: Because the funny part is like it.

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Speaker 2: Has this name you just here and then you know

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Speaker 2: each other pick up. Like all those Cubs executives in

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Speaker 2: Ishbia live kind of in the same general area where

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Speaker 2: you know, Isshubia is building this like mega compound like

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's what Cubs fans hope, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's what Cubs executives' hopes are. Like everyone

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Speaker 4: should be, like, should be thinking about this because you know,

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Speaker 4: we haven't really had a billionaire billionaire like this owning

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Speaker 4: real estate, but that's hockey. That's like you know, it's like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, they're spending ten million dollars on this guy.

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Speaker 4: This is like a ruin the franchise. It's a different

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Speaker 4: kind of money we're talking about it. They've never had this.

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Speaker 4: Jerry had this kind of money, you know, Ricketts does it.

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Speaker 4: Rickets dad has this kind of money. Joe Ricketts has

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Speaker 4: this money bomb just not the word Cubs do not,

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Speaker 4: you know in the mccaskey's of course, you know, they're

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Speaker 4: have their independent money to build a stadium, to do

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Speaker 4: things like that. This guy's got the money to build

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Speaker 4: I think you should put a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 4: the Cubs. And yeah, the compound. You know, if the

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Speaker 4: compound last price I saw was like estimated at eighty million,

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Speaker 4: that would be more than any contract the White Sox

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Speaker 4: White Sox contract. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I have questions about money as well. Let's let's take

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Speaker 1: All right, John, I guess it's a lot more money

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Speaker 1: than we're used to seeing with the owners in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But is this Are we talking about Steve Cohen type

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Speaker 1: stuff like that where he's going to behave in that manner,

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Speaker 1: or even even if it's not to that level, which

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Speaker 1: Phillies and John Middleton, what are we talking about it?

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Speaker 4: I think Middleton. I think it's more of a middle

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Speaker 4: Steve coins in his own like universe, right, and obviously

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Speaker 4: the Dodgers have their money, But yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 4: I think Middleton would be for him a good maybe

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Speaker 4: good comp you know. I would think the Phillies obviously

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Speaker 4: much bigger cable deal. They have the market to themselves.

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Speaker 4: The White Sox are still, you know, the second team

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Speaker 4: in Chicago. So I don't think we'll be seeing spending

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Speaker 4: He'll be aggressive. I mean, you look at his brother

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Speaker 4: in Phoenix, and you know, yeah, they haven't done great

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Speaker 4: and this has been a really pretty bad season, but

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Speaker 4: he spent money, you know, and attracted big players. What

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Speaker 1: He was alive still in his ninety eight Wow, so

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Speaker 1: there's no real timeline here. Then this isn't like something

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Speaker 4: There was and then they told me there wasn't. And

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Speaker 4: Why would a billy this guy's got the money. This

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Speaker 4: reporter on Dave Stewart's interest, but he did his group

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Speaker 2: You know, Well a huge piece of this, too, John,

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Speaker 2: do you think Ishbia gives them not just the capital,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, right, because i'd heard, you know, from people

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like I've been on that land. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point.

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Speaker 5: That was a massive failure by the White Sox.

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Speaker 4: I'm just just massive And I know people involved, like

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Speaker 4: you know, by having that their fake Sox festival were

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Speaker 1: This definitely eliminates any idea, Like I don't know if

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Speaker 4: You just have natural connections. You went to Vandy Law school, Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's been talked about enough. He cost them a lot

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Speaker 4: probably rather have the White Sox here because then, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, he's probably already marketing maybe there. Maybe Jed's

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Speaker 2: First, I do I do think this would be just

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Speaker 5: You know, very much an exception, but like you know,

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Speaker 2: And then there are people in baseball who actually I

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely, competition always. You know, that's the whole point

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Speaker 4: are scrambling for tickets, they can always kind of operate

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Speaker 4: with knowing that they have it better than them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's gonna be fascinating if they

434
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Speaker 1: start to push, if it SHOULDA takes control of the

435
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Speaker 1: next year or two.

436
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Speaker 4: Uh, and they don't think I don't, I mean, unless

437
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Speaker 4: you know, God willing. Jerry's okay, But I mean when

438
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Speaker 4: someone floated the Blitzer thing, that made me sop think

439
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Speaker 4: it was like four or five.

440
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Speaker 1: Years okay, But so it would be post new CBA too,

441
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Speaker 1: So who the hell knows what what type of money

442
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Speaker 1: we're talking about right, Like it may just be a

443
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Speaker 1: much more even playing field.

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Speaker 4: If I'm Misbah, I would actually request not to take

445
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Speaker 4: over until the new CBA for a couple of reasons. One,

446
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Speaker 4: he doesn't have to look like a bad I mean

447
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Speaker 4: he wouldn't be counted on anyway because he wouldn't be

448
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 4: a part of any kind of big fights because he's

449
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Speaker 4: a new owner. But you know, you want to come in,

450
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Speaker 4: like like Patrick said, he's my a hero regardless taking

451
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Speaker 4: over for Jerry. Come in after the new CBA signed.

452
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Speaker 4: You don't have to be a hawk. You don't have

453
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Speaker 4: to defend your fans, and the fact you'll have like more,

454
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Speaker 4: you know, an idea of fiscal certainty, and even the

455
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Speaker 4: richest people want that. They want to have some certainty

456
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Speaker 4: to know what they're spending. We know the Cubs. I mean, look,

457
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Speaker 4: Rickets is going to be a hawk in this CBA negotiation.

458
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Speaker 4: I mean that's absolutely And if Jerry's still in control

459
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Speaker 4: and still has any kind of say in anything, he

460
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Speaker 4: will be as well. Because they're fighting for I mean

461
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Speaker 4: it's like everything's being done, every decision, especially at Wrigley,

462
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Speaker 4: is being made with the new CBA in mind. Right.

463
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're saying good with the Cubs. Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah,

464
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Speaker 1: that's a big part of what why we're seeing a

465
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Speaker 1: lot of the things that we're seeing. Ian's you know,

466
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Speaker 1: couldn't go yeah there, they got to be careful with

467
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: years especially money in years. So they're yeah, that's that

468
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Speaker 1: is a big part of all the decisions that we're seeing.

469
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Speaker 1: And and I mean, look at look at all the

470
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Speaker 1: contracts they have. They have one one if you want

471
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Speaker 1: to count show to two. But they like, they have

472
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Speaker 1: so much money coming off their books now. It could

473
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Speaker 1: turn out to be great, right if there are real

474
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Speaker 1: restrictions made and and suddenly money is curtailed, spending is curtailed,

475
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Speaker 1: the cubs will be set up really well right post

476
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Speaker 1: cb A. But if it's the same thing. But if

477
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Speaker 1: if the rules barely change, it won't matter. Like then

478
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Speaker 1: they just did. They basically didn't leverage these two years

479
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Speaker 1: when all these young kids are coming up and they

480
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Speaker 1: have money in theory, money to spend, but aren't aren't

481
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Speaker 1: leveraging their financial mind. But you know, that's that's the

482
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Speaker 1: reality they're faced with. That's you know, they're the the

483
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Speaker 1: mid market cubs.

484
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, then we got to see what's going on

485
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Speaker 4: with our TV network. You know what's going on with

486
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Speaker 4: the Comcast deal. They've been month to month for like

487
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Speaker 4: a year, you know, CHSN. I assume they're both gonna

488
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Speaker 4: end up just on the upper tier of Comcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know, you probably know more about

490
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Speaker 1: that than either of us. What what is going on there?

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Speaker 4: I mean from what I've heard. I mean so that

492
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Speaker 4: you know, you've seen it in a couple other markets

493
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Speaker 4: where the remaining rsns that you know are known by

494
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Speaker 4: baseball on sports are going on like the pre a

495
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Speaker 4: more premium tier of Comcast, And I'd have to look

496
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Speaker 4: at the Comcast tiers, but like I know it in

497
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Speaker 4: the Bay Area is one of them, and I believe

498
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Speaker 4: there's another one too. I think, yes, maybe just did it.

499
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Speaker 4: You know they're going in the upper tiers not as

500
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Speaker 4: many people subscribe, right, you know, it's not going everyone

501
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: wants them on the basic one where the most subscriptions

502
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Speaker 4: that gets you the most people the most money per month.

503
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Speaker 4: That you know, that's what the help teams stay rich

504
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 4: for years. So if it's on the upper premium one

505
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Speaker 4: yet that includes like different sports channels like that I

506
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: don't even subscribe to. So that's what I think is

507
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: going to happen to all sports ones that want to

508
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Speaker 4: stay on Comcast or these these big you know, cable companies.

509
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: So I think both I think both networks are going

510
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: to wind up there. But I don't know, it doesn't

511
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: sound like Comcast is you know, they haven't blinked too

512
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Speaker 4: often with the Cubs and the White Sox.

513
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Speaker 5: It's a new dynamic.

514
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Speaker 2: It would theoretically be a new dynamic too of how

515
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Speaker 2: tight the Rhinesdorf, and Wort's families were that essentially like yeah,

516
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Speaker 2: you know, my understand the worst is just kind of

517
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Speaker 2: let Jerry take care of all of that. And obviously

518
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Speaker 2: the the joint ownership between the Bulls and White Sox,

519
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Speaker 2: Like if you're putting together a network or if you're

520
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: trying to like evolve these things, it would be those

521
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Speaker 2: three teams who are almost impossible to extricate. And uh,

522
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Speaker 2: you know, the Cubs certainly would have liked the Blackhawks

523
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Speaker 2: to be like the Winter Program or key that was

524
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Speaker 2: a non starter, and like, who knows it's gonna happen

525
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Speaker 2: with any of these channels or the business in general,

526
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Speaker 2: but it seems like there'd be more potential with you know,

527
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Speaker 2: kind of an ish be a White Sox team off

528
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: on their own rather than kind of those three teams

529
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Speaker 2: you know, sort of joined it, right.

530
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Speaker 4: Or do the White Sox become one of those Major

531
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Speaker 4: League bas you know, do they just acquiesce to Major

532
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 4: League Baseball's idea. Yeah, you know of major League Baseball

533
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 4: running their stuffy interesting you got to see how that.

534
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Speaker 4: I have no clue how any of this is going

535
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Speaker 4: to work in terms of money. But you know, the

536
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 4: thing we know. The thing we know though, is like

537
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: everyone talks about it like it's you know, it's doomsday.

538
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: But baseball is such a great product for TV because

539
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Speaker 4: it's not every day. You'd have to think it's somewhat valuable.

540
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 4: I mean, how else do people know? You know about Prevagen?

541
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Speaker 4: I mean if I forget that, the wildest thing about

542
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 4: Marque is that Prevagen is still like their biggest sponsor. Like,

543
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: who the hell is buying these like fake memory these

544
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: sugar pills? Yeah, what what is it for?

545
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: Like I tune out, I'm so good at tuning.

546
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: It's memory loss.

547
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: That may not work if I need it. I've forgotten

548
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: what very odd.

549
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: The commercials are very odd. Everyone just seems kind of

550
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: a little off. I would like it would be kind

551
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: of funnier if, though, if they got like like actual

552
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: like famous people to do it, you know what I mean,

553
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: like get abstur or something to do it, like a prejudice.

554
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 5: Biddy's get some good famous people on their commercial.

555
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what if Madden did a privage commercial and

556
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Speaker 4: it was about him remembering all it like, like the

557
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: story is that you can't remember all of his stories

558
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 4: that would be commercial. And he starts telling a story

559
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Speaker 4: about one of his guys, like who were his guys,

560
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Speaker 4: you know, his angels guys, and he forgets like Genautry's

561
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Speaker 4: name or something, and he takes a prevage in and

562
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Speaker 4: then he starts telling them. He's like, oh, I got

563
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Speaker 4: you know my guy babb a Loo.

564
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Speaker 5: Babably was the name I was thinking of. He'd be

565
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Speaker 5: good at any commercial. He's so good on camera, he's

566
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Speaker 5: so convincing.

567
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Speaker 4: And CBS in Prevagen if you're listening, credit me if

568
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Speaker 4: you do this this commercial one day or so. How

569
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Speaker 4: about a prevagen one where Sosa takes and they remembers

570
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Speaker 4: he did PDS.

571
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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh.

572
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Speaker 1: Maybe very exciting.

573
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Speaker 2: ISHBIA could bring back former White Sox player Sammy. Sosa

574
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Speaker 2: is like the hitting coach. All I'm hearing in Mesa

575
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Speaker 2: is how you know. Basically Sammy shows up and everyone's

576
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Speaker 2: listening and he's making any changes and.

577
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Speaker 4: He's not leaving. He shot out of Henna say he didn't.

578
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Speaker 1: He didn't seem like he wanted to. Like someone asked him,

579
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Speaker 1: it's like, are you going to Japan too? And he

580
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: like kind of looked around. He's like, you know, maybe maybe,

581
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: like I think he was like wanting an invite in

582
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Speaker 1: the middle of that, in the middle of that press conference,

583
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Speaker 1: he was kind of looking around, like so where the tickets?

584
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Speaker 4: You know, how excited is Sammy to be Sammy again?

585
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: Like you saw it at Cubs convention when he did

586
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: like his second lap around the stage, like this was

587
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: this is what he missed.

588
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: He's thrilled.

589
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: You're right, people like players love him. You know, he's

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: everyone wants his autograph. He's it's it's this is perfect

591
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: for his ego in his fifties.

592
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Speaker 1: You talk about blow No, he said, he doesn't have

593
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Speaker 1: an ego. That's why people listen to him. John that

594
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: you talk about bloated coaching staffs, He's like their sixteenth

595
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Speaker 1: hitting coach like he.

596
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Speaker 7: He was.

597
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: He is out there giving everyone advice and you saw

598
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: the direct result. Vidal Bruhan hit a home run and

599
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I told Craig Council, like, you know, if everybody hits

600
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: twenty plus home runs this season. We know what Sammy Sosa.

601
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Speaker 1: He gave them advice during spring training, a direct correlation,

602
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: so you know, all credit for the impressive offense that

603
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Speaker 1: we're likely to see from the Cubs this season. I

604
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: know where it goes.

605
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: It's just gonna all of a sudden in the majors. Well,

606
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: see Sammy like walking the dugout, like you know, like

607
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: eating food after games, like just gonna be one of

608
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: those guys that's just everywhere. I hope. I think it's

609
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 4: great without the masking. You're just gonna come out there

610
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: and throw out a pitch.

611
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Speaker 1: It's no, we already have four first pitches. We're one

612
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Speaker 1: of them.

613
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Speaker 4: We're gonna look up and Sammy's gonna be doing the

614
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: scoreboard with Ricky.

615
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Speaker 2: Well, his team needs some charisma, right, I mean, just

616
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Speaker 2: a little star power, a little like vibrancy. Like it's

617
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Speaker 2: kind of a lot of cookie cutter in a lot

618
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Speaker 2: of ways. Otherwise, the organization that he rejoined, yeah.

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Speaker 4: What's also nice to have. Like he's like the only, uh,

620
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Speaker 4: non white guy with a beard.

621
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so last episode I can't grow a beard,

622
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Speaker 1: but he does not. Last episode, I I went a

623
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Speaker 1: little hard on on what Kevin contract can be, right, Patrick,

624
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: it's a little little you know, his his upside, right,

625
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: But he's the one that told us that his upside

626
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: is superstar in Hall of Famer. So if you're looking

627
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: for a little confidence and someone with that swagger, Kevin

628
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Alcontra when he whenever he arrives at the big leagues

629
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: for you know, for good, Like that's a guy that

630
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: has the swagger. Add him with PCA. I think we're

631
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: we're seeing a different vibe around this team. So like that,

632
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: that's that's where it comes from. But you're right, it's

633
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: not like Kyle Tucker is going to be out there,

634
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, bat flipping and giving you, you know, crazy quotes.

635
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: He's a great ballplayer.

636
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 4: He's not He's not a good quote. He's good.

637
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: That's all.

638
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: You know. You should do. Bring up the Paul George

639
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: Stufty and happen see, you know, because Paul George said

640
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: he's giving up his podcast to focus on the season.

641
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: Even though the Sixers are twenty and thirty seven and

642
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: this season's almost over, he's now giving up his podcast.

643
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Apparently, let's find out. Well, I mean, the season hasn't

644
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: started yet, they're they're NL central favorites. Uh, fan grafts

645
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: even like some fan grafts BP. You know this is

646
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: ever everyone's projecting great things for the Cubs. I know

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Speaker 1: you're super into projections, John So uh and and just

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Speaker 1: so everyone knows, no conspiracy theory. With Nico Horner. I

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Speaker 1: just watched him take BP. Uh. He's he's good, He's

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Speaker 1: good to go. We almost Fergie Jenkins head his back

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Speaker 1: to the to the in field and standing in center field,

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Speaker 1: and he almost smoked Fergie Fergy's okay though I missed

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Speaker 1: him by a couple of feet.

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Speaker 4: No. Yeah, I talked to Horner at Cubs convention and

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Speaker 4: he was telling, you know, he felt pretty good about

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Speaker 4: where he was at, like physically that and so and

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Speaker 4: you guys have seen it all camp. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 4: I that makes a lot of sense. And I'll be

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Speaker 4: there too for that. Me and me and Nico will

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Speaker 4: both be at that that Arizona opener because I'm always

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Speaker 4: bring training that last week and the cop I think

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Speaker 4: we're staying. We're leaving that Friday, so I'm going to

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Speaker 4: go that Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, coming back there.

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Speaker 4: It will still be doing saki bombs in Japan.

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Speaker 1: I'll be back by then, but I'll probably need some

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Speaker 1: sake bombs to stay awake. All right, John, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on the show. This is Northside Territory.

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Speaker 1: Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, Subscribe to the YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: which I know John does multiple on multiple accounts. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: to The Athletic where Patrick and I are on top

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Speaker 1: of all things cubs and John is on top of

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Speaker 1: all things justin Nishbia. Thanks for listening everyone. Thanks John,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 4: Where's my Madden's gift card that's.

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Speaker 6: In the mail.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're sending that Staale mail. Thanks everyone. Take care.

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