1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It was this clip a few days ago of a 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: gen zer realizing what a full time job with a 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: commute entails. She lives in New Jersey but commutes to Manhattan. 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: It's her first job out of college, is nine to five, 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: and she doesn't have time for anything. She gets home 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: too late to see friends. She wonders how she's supposed 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: to meet a guy. All very understandable, let's roll it. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: I know I'm probably just being so dramatic and annoying, 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: but this is my first job, like my first nine 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: to five job after college, and I'm in person and 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm commuting in the city and it takes me fucking. 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: Forever to get there. 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: There's no way I'm going to be able to afford 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: living in the city right now, So that's all the. 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 3: Table, Like fucking dah. If I was able to walk 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: to work, and. 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: It'd be fine, but I'm not, so it literally takes 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: me Like I leave here, like I get on the 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: train at seven thirty and I don't get home till 22 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: like six fifteen earliest, and then like I don't have 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: time to do anything. 24 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: I want to shower, eat my dinner, and go to sleep. 25 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: I don't have time or energy to cook by dinner either, 26 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: Like I don't have energy to work out, Like that's 27 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: out the window. 28 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: Like I'm so upset. Oh my god, nothing to do 29 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: with my job at all. 30 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: But just like the nine to five schedule in general 31 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: is crazy being in the office nine to five. Like 32 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: if it was remote, you get off at five and 33 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: your home and everything's fine, but. 34 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: Like I'm not home. It takes me long to get. 35 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: Home, and like like people that drive to the office, 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: like it doesn't you don't get off at five. And 37 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: I know it could be worse. I know I could 38 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: be working longer, but like I literally get off. It's 39 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: pitch black, Like I don't have energy. How do you 40 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: have friends? Like how do you have time to like 41 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: meet like a guy? I don't know, Like how do 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: you have time for like dating? Like I don't have 43 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: time for anything, And I'm like so stressed out. And 44 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: I'm also getting my period, so that's why I'm all emotional. 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: But like am I so dramatic? It's fine? 46 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she's a little dramatic. It is fine, 47 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: but yes, you are a little dramatic. It's funny because 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: my own early working life is very similar to her. 49 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: My first job out of college was in midtown Manhattan 50 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: forty second and lex I was living back at home 51 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: deep in Brooklyn, not the Brooklyn you see on TV. 52 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking. My commute was a full hour each way, 53 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: probably longer actually, I'm just thinking it was at least 54 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: an hour. 55 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: I mean. 56 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: The only real difference I see between her and me 57 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: is that I've never even heard of a nine to 58 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: five job. My very first job was nine to six, 59 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: and longer hours just progressed from there. But I was 60 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: twenty one, twenty two working in the big city, and yes, 61 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: I would definitely go out after work. I mean I'd 62 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: find the energy and I would go out. If you're 63 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: tired and drained at twenty two after work, I have 64 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 1: some bad news about the future. My husband actually would 65 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: work even later. We were like best friends for a 66 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: long time before we started dating, and he would work 67 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: till like nine, ten eleven, and then meet our friend 68 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: group out somewhere and then we do it again the 69 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: next day. And this was a pretty regular life for 70 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: the post college set. So I wonder how much of 71 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: this is a post COVID everybody's still kind of a 72 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: home body condition. But okay, you don't want to be 73 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: a wild and crazy twenty two year old going out 74 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: until midnight on a Tuesday. Fine, okay, but then, what 75 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: did you think life was going to be like? Again? 76 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: Nine to five is best case scenario in most jobs. 77 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: If you want to live near Manhattan, that's going to 78 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: be expensive. If you want to live in Manhattan. Even 79 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: more so, I didn't know anybody who walked to work. 80 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: For all the years I lived in Manhattan, I lived 81 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. I didn't know anybody who walked to work. 82 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: It was just not an option. I think that that's 83 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: so kind of far fetched. Look, I'm not picking on 84 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: this girl. I think she brings up some good points, 85 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: especially in a second clip that I'll play for you 86 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: in a minute. I'm just talking through how we can 87 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: give our kids the right expectations. Social media has really 88 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: warped these expectations. Everyone thinks that everyone else is working 89 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: three hours a day and spending the rest of the 90 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: time on a yacht. But more than anything else, I 91 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: think colleges lie to these kids. Let's play her second clip. 92 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: Hey, business Insider, here's my comment to your article about me. 93 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about my job in general. My job. 94 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,279 Speaker 3: I'm one of the lucky. 95 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: Postgrads that got a job in my field, which is 96 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: marketing after college. I know so many postgrads that have 97 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: been searching for upwards of a year and they still 98 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: can't find a job in their field, and they have 99 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt. Okay, let's 100 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 2: get that out of the way. It took me five 101 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: months to get my job. It took me five months 102 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: of sending out hundreds of applications every single day. Probably 103 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: I probably have ten thousand applications out there, and I 104 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: heard back from one employer, and that's the employer I 105 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: work for now. I had to move for that job. 106 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: I had to move to New Jersey because I can't 107 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: afford to live in New York. The job was set 108 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 2: in New York, and I immediately had to move or else. 109 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: I knew that I wasn't going to get my foot 110 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: in the door if I waited any longer. 111 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: My commute is two hours there and two hours back. 112 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: I said six. 113 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: Fifteen the earliest and I sometimes get back at seven thirty. 114 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 2: It really just depends on the trains that day. So me, 115 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: I'm just one worker. I shouldn't represent everybody because I 116 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: don't even have half the struggles that most people do. 117 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: Most people have kids and animals. Imagine me leaving a 118 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: dog or a kid at home from seven thirty in 119 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: the morning to seven thirty at night. 120 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: That's animal and child abuse. 121 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: But I have to work, so there's nothing I could 122 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: do about it my job in general. 123 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: I'm so extremely thankful that my employer actually. 124 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: Decided to reach back out to me, because a lot 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 2: of them don't because they don't want to train a 126 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: college graduate. 127 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: And that's the problem. 128 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: Postgrads are having so much fucking difficulty finding a nine 129 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: to five, and then when we do get thrown into 130 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: a nine to five, we don't. 131 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 3: Know how to handle it. 132 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: Because one college doesn't set set us up for that 133 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: type of schedule. It's not a normal schedule that a 134 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: human should be on anyway, So your body isn't used 135 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: to that. 136 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: We were all in during COVID. 137 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: We all had to go remote, so my high school 138 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: was remote and part of my college was remote. Obviously, 139 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: I'm not used to working a nine to five schedule 140 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: because I'm not used to being anywhere from nine to 141 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: five during the day. 142 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: I can't even imagine the working. 143 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: Parents out there, and like, I give so much grace 144 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: to them because it's incredibly hard in America to be 145 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: emotionally and mentally stable when your days are structured like that. 146 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 2: So pretty much what I'm saying is that, yes, America 147 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: needs to reform the nine to five schedule, because it's 148 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: not fair that the only people that are benefiting are 149 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: the people that either run the corporations and can make 150 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: their own schedules, so they just pile on the work 151 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: to people that are less fortunate, or people that are 152 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: just extremely rich, or influencers that don't have. 153 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: To work a regular schedule. So that's my comment. 154 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: If you would have given me a little bit more time, 155 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 2: I would have thought about my answer and then I 156 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 2: would have responded, so to appreciate. 157 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: If you put this in your article and stuff, trying 158 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 3: to find where I work. 159 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: She's right, it's messed up. The business insiders trying to 160 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: find where she works. Why are you bothering this woman? 161 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: It's crazy, But I mean, she's got a lot of 162 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: things in there. She's planning to, you know, rework the 163 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: entire nine to five system, which she seems to believe 164 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: is only in America, no exists throughout the world. I 165 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: have friends in various other countries. Yes, they commute to 166 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 1: their jobs. Again, it's very privileged to live near your job. 167 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: That's great if that is what you can have. But 168 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: usually the higher paying jobs are in major cities, and 169 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: people live outside of those cities and commute in. And 170 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: again I hear her saying that her college didn't give 171 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: her the full picture. And I believe her, because my 172 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: college didn't give me the full picture either. My parents 173 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: really wanted me to be a doctor, despite me having 174 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: no aptitude in the sciences. They were immigrants and they 175 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: didn't know about a lot of different professions. 176 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: You know. 177 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: The joke in the Russian world, and again I shorthand Russian, 178 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: but I mean Jews from the ex Soviet republics who 179 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: now live in America, is that when I was growing up, 180 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: you could be a doctor, a lawyer, or a computer programmist, 181 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, computer programmer. I ended up studying politics, and 182 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: I was drawn to it. I kept taking classes in it, 183 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: and suddenly I was majoring in it. I remember maybe 184 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: April of my senior year, realizing, wait, what happens next? 185 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: What goes on with this degree? I went to the 186 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: career advisor center and a very nice lady told me 187 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I could do anything with a politics degree, and I 188 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: wanted her to be more specific, so I kept saying 189 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: like what, and she would be like, like anything, and 190 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I would say like what, and she'd say, well, really anything, 191 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: like anything you want to do you could do with 192 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: a politics degree, and I'd say like what, And then 193 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: she asked me what would I do if I could 194 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: do anything? And I was twenty one, and I said 195 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: I'd moved to Scotland because I had lived there during college. 196 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: I really liked it, and. 197 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: She lit up. She was like, you should do that, 198 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: But I didn't have. 199 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Any money and my parents weren't going to pay for 200 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: me to go hang out in Scotland where I wouldn't 201 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: even be allowed to work. And I realized then that 202 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: my college was not in the business of figuring out 203 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do with the education. 204 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: I just got. 205 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: And the really funny thing is I went to a school, 206 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: Northeastern University in Boston, which is actually great for job 207 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: prospects because you work part of the time and I 208 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: graduated with a full resume. My biggest takeaway from this 209 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: is that kids need to be prepared for actual life 210 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: by their parents primarily, although again I didn't really have that, 211 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: and then by their school. I blamed the college that 212 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: this girl was lied to about what life was going 213 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: to be like. She made choices based on that lie. 214 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: And as I raise my own children, I will strive 215 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: to be honest about the trade offs they'll be making. 216 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: Life is not perfect, and living near an expensive city 217 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: might get you higher pay or more opportunities, but it 218 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: will cost more to live and you'll have a longer commute. 219 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, them's the breaks. If that's a deal breaker 220 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: for you, find a different path. Parents need to be 221 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the voice of reason for their kids, to step in 222 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: and show them how life is supposed to go so 223 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: that their expectations aren't so out of whack with reality. 224 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: If we start looking at raising kids as preparing them 225 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: for adulthood, that would really go a long way. Coming 226 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: up next and interview with Rob Smith. Join us after 227 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: the break. Hello, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show. 228 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: My guest today is Rob Smith. Host of the Can't 229 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: Cancel Rob Smith Podcast. Hi, Rob, So nice to have you. 230 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 4: I care. Oh how you doing? Always a pleasure, really 231 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: really good to see you. 232 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: So you're the kind of friend that I run into 233 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: at parties or events and we're always like hello, so 234 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: nice to see you, and I always walk away being 235 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: like I want more Rob time. So I'm really glad 236 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: to have you with me today so I could ask 237 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: all the questions I mean to ask you over drinks, 238 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: me drinks. I know that you don't. Can you tell 239 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: my listeners a little bit about yourself? Did you always 240 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: want to be a commentator? What was your journey to 241 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: get here? 242 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 4: Oh? Lord, the journey. It's like, where do we start? 243 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: We'll tell us about the journey. 244 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: The journey. Well, as of right now, I am. I 245 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 4: am embracing my indie era. I'm calling myself an independent 246 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 4: political commentator, devoting a lot of my energy into the 247 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: Can't Cancel Rob Smith Podcast. If you guys like what 248 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 4: you hear, please find it on Apple Podcasts I Heeart podcast, 249 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: where we get your podcasts and download. So the journey here, 250 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 4: let's give you the cliffs notes. So the le let's 251 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 4: go over what happened for the past five years. The 252 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: reason that you know who I am, the reason that 253 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: a lot of people that are listening to you may 254 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 4: be somewhat familiar with me, is because five years ago 255 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: I decided to quote unquote come out on social media 256 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 4: as a conservative, Republican, right leaning, whatever you want to 257 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: call it. I am also somebody that is a dual 258 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: minority in the fact that I am black and gay, 259 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 4: and this created what I'm looking back at now was 260 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: kind of a sensation in the media realm, particularly in 261 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: conservative media, because somebody like me had never existed before 262 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 4: in this space. 263 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's been a very easy road from there, right, 264 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 265 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: So easy? You know, it's actually not, and I definitely 266 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 4: want to want to get into that. But yeah, so 267 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: I came out as a sort of like as a black, 268 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: gay conservative, and five months later, excuse me, five years later, 269 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: really thinking back to what happened, I got absorbed into 270 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 4: Fox News world and absorbed into Trump World, and I 271 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: was an employee at turning point for a certain amount 272 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: of time, and everything just got very very big in 273 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: a way that I had never really imagined that it 274 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 4: would be. I knew that I wanted to be more 275 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: authentic about what I felt about politics and how I 276 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: see the world. And I also knew that social media 277 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: was the vehicle to do that, and then it kind 278 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: of just exploded into all of these crazy directions. But 279 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: to answer your first question, I always have wanted to 280 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: be in journalism in the media field. I in my 281 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: in high school, which we were not going to talk 282 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 4: about how long ago that we. 283 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: Can we totally can, Oh, no, I will not, I will, 284 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: I will embrace. 285 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 4: I'll keep it a little ambiguous here, But even in 286 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 4: high school, I was the anchor for the morning news, 287 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 4: you know, on our little you know morning see that, Yeah, 288 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: on our little morning high school TV networks. So I 289 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: had always wanted to get into television. And even before 290 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: I came into this commentary space, I had I'd gone 291 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 4: to Columbia for journalism for Jay School, I had did 292 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 4: I was working for NBC, and I'd worked for I 293 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: had done some opinion stuff for CNN, and I worked 294 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: as a producer for Yahoo News, and so I had 295 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 4: already had this sort of traditional producer background, which as 296 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: a one man show. Right now, when it comes to 297 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 4: my content and my podcasts and all that other stuff. 298 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: It gave me the skills that I need to really 299 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: sort of elevate myself. So to answer the question, I 300 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 4: did always want to be in this world. I did 301 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 4: not back when I was on the left, because again, 302 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: I came out as a conservative. I used to be 303 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 4: sort of like your card carrying New York City gay liberal. 304 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: And it's very interesting how life will give you what 305 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 4: you're working for, but it will come in a package 306 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: that you are not expected. 307 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: So what was the hardest part? Which which coming out 308 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: was the hardest? 309 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: It was it was harder to come out conservative then 310 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 4: it was to come out as gay. Really, so when 311 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: I came out as gay, this was very I was 312 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: very young, I was like nineteen twenty. Not the easiest 313 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: thing in the world. I was serving in the military 314 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: at the time. I'm a veteran as well, so at 315 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: the time that I was serving, the don't ask, don't 316 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: tell law that made it illegal for gays and lesbians 317 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: to serve openly was an effect. So basically, when I 318 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 4: came out to myself into some friends in the military, 319 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 4: if the wrong person knew decided to report me, et cetera, 320 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: et cetera, I would have been fired, right I would 321 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 4: have been exmmunicated, you know, kicked out of the military. 322 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: So that was hard. But be coming out as conservative 323 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: five years ago, like I said, it's like being shot 324 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 4: out of a cannon. And I'm just now kind of 325 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: like coming back down to the reality of what happened 326 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: is that it was very disruptive to my life. I 327 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: lost friends, I lost people that had been in my 328 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: life for years and years and years. People who knew 329 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 4: who I was on the inside decided that because my 330 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 4: politics of the time and of now were not quote 331 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 4: unquote popular, that I was disposable and expendable. 332 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: So do you feel like you're you mentioned you're in 333 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: an indie era right now? 334 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, apply to. 335 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Your politics as well. Do you feel like you're more 336 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: of an independent voice and less of a conservative one. 337 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: I still associate you fully as a conservative. Yeah, it's 338 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: interesting that you, you know, you see yourself in this 339 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: indie era. 340 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 4: I do. And so when I and when I say 341 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: indie era, it definitely means it's more so my career 342 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: right now. I'm I'm the sort of I've separated myself 343 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: from you know, financial ties to a lot of different organizations, 344 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 4: even though sometimes like I'll go and I'll support the 345 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 4: events or I'll go do whatever. But I have no 346 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: financial ties to any organizations right now. I have no 347 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: financial ties to any political campaigns or anything like that. 348 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: And I made that concentrated decision because I think that 349 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: my first the people that I'm first concerned about are 350 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 4: not politicians. They're not cable news execs, they're not media executives. 351 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: That is my audience. Because I believe that your audience 352 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: is all you have, and so I wanted to make 353 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: sure that I have an authentic voice in my audience. 354 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 4: So I am a little bit more independently right now. 355 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 4: But I always tell people that I will personally never 356 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: vote left again because that doesn't align with my values. 357 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 4: That's just not who I am. But I feel that 358 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 4: sometimes in this world, if you were saying, Okay, I'm 359 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: conservative or I'm Liberal, or I'm Democrat or I'm Republican, 360 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 4: then what that means is that you can never criticize 361 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: your own side, or you can get you can I 362 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 4: can never criticize Republican politicians or no, yeah, you know 363 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: so that. 364 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: They're so fun to criticize Republicans. 365 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: No, they're so fun to criticize it it may give 366 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 4: you so many options. 367 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: So many options. Thank you for all of the opportunities. 368 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely the politics are more independent because I'm like, look, 369 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: going into this election cycle, i want my audience to 370 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 4: know that I'm not owned by anybody. I Am not 371 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 4: trying to be in the inner circle of any of 372 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 4: these politicians. I had to give it to you straight right, So. 373 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: On can't cancel, Rob Smith. What kind of topics will 374 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: you be covering? What will be like your beat or 375 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: your niche? Like, where are you going with? 376 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 3: You know? 377 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 4: The fun thing about podcasting is that you can kind 378 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: of figure it out as you go along. So my 379 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: podcast has existed in some form for the past two 380 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: and a half years, So there's one hundred there's almost 381 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: two hundred episodes out there right now. So if anybody's 382 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 4: listening to me for the first time and discovering me, 383 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: you can go out there. You can have a wealth 384 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 4: of things to choose from. I believe that at this 385 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: point right now, this is what I believe Carol, that 386 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 4: no matter what happens in Washington, d C. In twenty 387 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: twenty four, our culture as a whole is shifting Moreservative. 388 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 4: Our culture is shifting more to the right. So the 389 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 4: thing that interests me the most right now is not 390 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: necessarily the Republican primaries or what's going to happen, whether 391 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 4: it's Trump or Biden, Santos or Biden or Nikki Haley 392 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: and Gavin News and whatever. There's an element of that 393 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 4: that I will be covering to a certain extent. But 394 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: I'm more interested in culture. And I'm having this sort 395 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 4: of new moment right now that's happening, that's very new, 396 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: because I've decided to sort of tip my hat into 397 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: the ring of culture. And I've got some videos right now. 398 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 4: They're just going crazy all over TikTok right now about 399 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: being a gay conservative and all that stuff. And what 400 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 4: I feel like is there's a cultural conversation that I 401 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: think sometimes people like you and I who are in 402 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 4: sort of media commentator political world, that we can sometimes 403 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: get a little divorced from. 404 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: I fully agree to meet. Culture and social issues is everything, 405 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: you know. Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, 406 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: and I think that a lot of people on the 407 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 1: right have just ignored culture for far too long. And 408 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: what happened, of course, is this you know, leftist march 409 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: through the institutions that we all saw coming but didn't 410 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: do enough to stop. And so I think that that's 411 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: really the space that we need to be fighting our 412 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: biggest battles right now. Yeah, I wanted to say that 413 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: in the last few years, I've noticed that you've gotten 414 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: very into fitness and you've been really you've been super inspiring. 415 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: I mean I have been. I haven't actually gone to 416 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: the gym or anything, but I think about it a 417 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: lot more when I see you. So that you know, 418 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: a first step. So what's that all been about? 419 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: Okay? So to okay, I mean you look. 420 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing all of your pictures, like really. 421 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: Good, thank you. Okay. So my personal fitness journey is 422 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: something that has always existed since I've since I've been 423 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 4: a public figure, because for me, I've lost the better 424 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 4: part of fifty pounds over the past decade. And what 425 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 4: it really was was educating myself and learning more about eating, 426 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: about healthy food, about working out, about cardio, about eating windows, 427 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 4: about all these different things. And I was doing this 428 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 4: kind of as a hobby, right And I got to 429 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 4: a point last year twenty twenty two was one of 430 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 4: the toughest years of my life because I had a 431 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 4: very hard time both personally and professionally, and I was 432 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 4: not even sure if I was going to continue in 433 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 4: the political realm. So I kind of like stepped back 434 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: from everything and slipped into a depression. And there's a 435 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 4: lot of stuff going on that I've been kind of 436 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: open about, you know when you follow me on the socials, 437 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: you know, on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, all that stuff, but 438 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 4: it's all Rob Smith online. So I was in a 439 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: place where I was like, Okay, well, number one, if 440 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 4: I'm not doing politics for money anymore, whatever, what is 441 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 4: my career, Like what opportunities do I have to monetize 442 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: to basically monetize my following to say, hey guys, like 443 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 4: basically what do I have to offer? And that's when 444 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: I started really educating myself about fitness. That's when I 445 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: really started getting you know, certified to be a coach 446 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 4: and all that other stuff. And so now I've developed 447 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: this online coaching platform and I'm working with clients right 448 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 4: now to control their eating, to think about hell, to 449 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: think about wellness, to think about things that they're putting 450 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: in their mouth, et cetera. Because Carol, I think that 451 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 4: fitness is the most important thing ever, because how you look, 452 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: as how you feel, and the things that we put 453 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 4: into our body so affect the version of ourselves that 454 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 4: we bring to the world. So to answer your question, 455 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 4: to wrap up and abou it's partially yes, this is 456 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 4: definitely one hundred percent what I believe. But I am 457 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: also a capitalist, an entrepreneur, and a businessman. So if 458 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: I'm throwing these traps out there on Instagram, what am 459 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: I selling here? Because I'm not selling only fans. 460 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 461 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What's it like being 462 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: a public person? Do you get recognized a lot? And 463 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: is it positive? 464 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: Okay? So it can go both ways. And I think 465 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 4: that with me in the minority groups that I belong to, 466 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: I think that I trigger the gay community and I 467 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: trigger the black community in ways that I think that 468 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 4: the average will say, sort of heterosexual, white conservative may 469 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: not do so because that's sort of like normal and 470 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 4: accept the way to be. But I'm very much an anomaly, 471 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: right And the reason I brought this up is that 472 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 4: I've been physically attacked for my belief as somebody that 473 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: is gay and right lean and gay conservative, whatever you 474 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: want to call it. So like, there's been physical attacks 475 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 4: literally called a racial slur, hitting the jaw, got into 476 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 4: a fistfight, So that's not fun, right, But that is 477 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: only one of I would say hundreds of interactions that 478 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: I've had, because most of the interactions tend to be positive. 479 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 4: And I think that sometimes as public figures, we focus 480 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: so much on the hate that we don't focus on 481 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: the love, right because most times, I would say one 482 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 4: hundred percent of the time, ninety nine percent of the time, 483 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 4: you know, when I'm not getting socked in the face 484 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 4: for being conservative. Most time, when people recognize me on 485 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: the streets, it's overwhelmingly positive. And these are and these 486 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: are I've got everybody from white sixty year olds that 487 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 4: have seen me on Gutfeld, that recognize me on the 488 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 4: ski list in Colorado, to young black conservatives that are like, 489 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 4: I really follow you and I really like what you 490 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 4: have to say, and young gay liberals zoomers that are like, 491 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily on your side of the aisle, but 492 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 4: I kind of understand what you're saying, and you're making 493 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 4: me think of things in a different way. 494 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: I love that. I'm I'm so sorry that that happened 495 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: to you. You know, I ask this question of guests, 496 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: and I have to say, this is the first time 497 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: that somebody has had, you know, a real negative experience. 498 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I had like notes left on my house 499 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and stuff like that, but I've never had, 500 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, a physical altercation. And I'm really sorry that 501 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: that happened to you. I think that, like it just 502 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: that overstep in society that people can't control themselves when 503 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: they are faced with somebody that has a different opinion 504 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: of them. That kind of thing really scares me. Yeah, 505 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: it's something that like I think that where we've had 506 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: it in this terrible direction over the last few years. 507 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: But it's really scary. And again, I'm very sorry. I 508 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: guess in my to go on to my next question, 509 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: but it's related. What would you say is our biggest 510 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: cultural or societal issue in America and do you think 511 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: it's solvable. 512 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: I think that the biggest issue that we're dealing with 513 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 4: today as Americans in America is that there is a 514 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 4: complete lack of patriotism. I call it patriotism. Rod. We 515 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 4: have an entire generation of younger people that have been 516 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: taught that America is this awful place that it is 517 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 4: to be hated, that it is destructive, that if you're 518 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: not X, Y Z or ABC, then it's so hard 519 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 4: and the odds are stacked against you and all that stuff. 520 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 4: And I feel like that belief allows itself to take 521 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 4: root in people very very negative ways. Because if you're 522 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 4: living in America and you have such a pessimistic view 523 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 4: of where you live and you feel like you cannot 524 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 4: make it, you feel like you cannot elevate, then how 525 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 4: is that going to affect the way you see your 526 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 4: friends and neighbors. How is that going to affect the 527 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: way that you're interacting with the service industry people just 528 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 4: in general? I think it's a it's a huge, huge issue. 529 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 4: And I know that we've got you know, DC is 530 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: just spending all their money, and we've got a white 531 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: open order, and we've got all these other things. But 532 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: if we don't start creating a society and a culture 533 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,239 Speaker 4: that takes pride in this country and the fact that 534 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 4: people die to be here, people die to come to 535 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 4: this country, and if we don't have people that appreciate 536 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 4: and celebrate and respect that, then we're just really circling 537 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 4: the drain. 538 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: As a country, right Do you think it's solvable. 539 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 4: I think it's solvable. I think the problems that we're 540 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: facing as a country right now will take decades and 541 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 4: decades to repair. I really do. And I think that 542 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 4: we are we are babies in the sense of all 543 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 4: of this social media era and all of this polarization 544 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 4: and all of these new voices. All of this stuff 545 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 4: is very, very, very new, and I don't think that 546 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: people understand how new this is, and that we are 547 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 4: going through growing pains as a society, and how we 548 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: deal with this era, and how we deal with being 549 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: exposed to ideas that we were not exposed to before. 550 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 4: Because if there were only the three networks in three papers, 551 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 4: then we would be getting one view of the world. Instead, 552 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: we are getting a myriad, multiple hundreds, thousands of views 553 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 4: of the world. And I think that it confuses people 554 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 4: and it shocks them, and it makes them scared and 555 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 4: angry and defensive and all of these different things. 556 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: Obviously there's pluses and minus is, but I think that 557 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: we're in such the infancy stage with this. I you know, 558 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: I kind of want to see how it turns out, 559 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: but I do see us heading in a not great 560 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: direction because of social media, just because people feel like 561 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: they have to have a brand and they feel like 562 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: they have to you know, again, I'm not even saying 563 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: like public people. I think people who are not trying 564 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: to monetize anything still think that they need to have 565 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: like a picture, you know, a way of being on 566 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: social media. Yeah, it's confusing to me that private people 567 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: are putting themselves outlet there like that, not even as 568 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: a career, not as anything, just as a as a 569 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: personal brand. It's odd. 570 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: It's very odd. And honestly, Carol, like I say all 571 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 4: the time, and I completely agree with, you have a 572 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 4: client right now. She's an older woman. This is a 573 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 4: fitness client. She's an older woman that has been trying 574 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: to lose weight. She's she's really doing a good job. 575 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: We're kind of like over the hump with getting her 576 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 4: you know, her taste buds and everything like that back 577 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: to the level. But anyway, so we're doing our catch 578 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 4: up and she says, well, Rob, like there's so much 579 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 4: going on in the world, like I just couldn't focus 580 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: last week, and I just said insert name here, client, 581 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: the only thing that we can really change is ourselves. 582 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: The only thing that we can really focus on is 583 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: ourselves and all of the noise and all of the stuff. 584 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: And another thing that I tell people is if this 585 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 4: is not your career, if there is not a financial 586 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 4: and business element to you being concerned about these things, 587 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: there's really no reason for you to be concerned about 588 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 4: be concerned about your life, be concerned about your family, 589 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: be concerned about your money, your career, and all of 590 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 4: that thing and all of that. We're in a place 591 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 4: right now in society where this is all everybody talks about. 592 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you do this, Carol, but 593 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: I do this in my personal life with my personal, real, 594 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 4: actual friends. I may talk with some friends about business 595 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: oriented things, but I do not talk politics. 596 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah friends, Right, I almost never talk politics for 597 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: my friends either. Maybe like in our like political you 598 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: know friend groups still might we still might talk politics, 599 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: but no, not with my regular friends at all. 600 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, because what it is, And I have this, so 601 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: you know, I'm a public we're both public figures. Obviously 602 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: I have this this I don't want to call it 603 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: a niche, but I'm very known among the younger crowd, 604 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 4: particularly like on TikTok and Instagram. Right, And so if 605 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: I'm if I walk into a party, or if I 606 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 4: go to a function, if this is like a primarily 607 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: black black crowd or a primarily gay crowd or whatever, 608 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: then when I come in, I'm known, like people know 609 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 4: this is who I am. And so the impetus is 610 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 4: always to come up and pretend that we're on some 611 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 4: cable news set and that they're going to battle me 612 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: about politics. Right, politics, Yeah, email my assistant and they'll 613 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: get you a calendar for a consultation and we'll get 614 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: an hourly rate in because I'm not doing this with. 615 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: You, right. 616 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: I love that. Do you feel like you've made it? 617 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 4: No? And you know why I don't, because it's so funny. 618 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 4: At the bottom of every see, at the top of 619 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: every mountain is the bottom of another. And I have 620 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 4: very very very high hopes and high goals for myself. 621 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 4: Am I better than I was yesterday? Yes? Am I 622 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 4: better than I was five years ago? Absolutely? But Carol, 623 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 4: I am very I don't know if competitive is the word, 624 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 4: but the way I look at everything is this, if 625 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: you were going to do something, you may as well 626 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 4: try to be top tier, the best one. And I 627 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 4: am very much like I said, I'm in my indie era. 628 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 4: I'm doing all this myself right now because I've I 629 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 4: have had to take a step back to build myself 630 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: up into something else that is coming up. But I 631 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 4: have not made it yet because I have not hit 632 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 4: the goals that I want to hit yet. So I'm 633 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 4: still working. 634 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm rooting for you. I you know it looks 635 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Let me just tell you, it looks to the world 636 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: like you've made it. So I asked that question. You 637 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: know of a lot of my guests, and I get 638 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: a range of answers, So I'm super rooting for you 639 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: to get where you want to go. But just know 640 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: that from the outside, you look like you've got it 641 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: going on. 642 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you. 643 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Think so for my last question and with your best 644 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: tip to my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 645 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 4: My best tip on how you can improve your life 646 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: is when you really embrace the realization, and I mean 647 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 4: believe this to the core. Really embrace the fact that 648 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: nobody is coming to save you. Your boss is not coming 649 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 4: to save you. Donald Trump or Ronda Santis or Nikki 650 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: Haley or Joe Biden or Gavin Newsom are not coming 651 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: to save you. The government certainly is not come to 652 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 4: save you. Nobody is coming to save you, so you 653 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: have to save yourself. That is the biggest tip that 654 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 4: I can give to anybody. 655 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: I love that so much. Thank you so much, Rob 656 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: for coming on his podcast is Can't Cancel Rob Smith. 657 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: You should definitely check it out. And thank you so 658 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: much for listening to the Carol Marcowitz Show. Thanks Carol, 659 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us on The Carol Marcowitz Show. 660 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.