WEBVTT - Motherly Love w/ Sarah Wynter 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:04.400 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.200 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:08.080 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:10.680 These episodes are based on These are our stories. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:27.560 Done done. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.560 Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast. I'm Leeza Trigger and. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.040 I as always am Cara Clank and this podcast is 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:38.400 SVU Recaps. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.479 It is true crime, deep dives. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.839 It is interviews with celebs and other interesting people. But 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.080 we have a great guest today, but before that, we 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.000 catch up on what's going on in the world, in 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.480 our world, in whatever we want to talk about. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.920 I'm floating on air, not only because I did a 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.080 heated rivalry comedy show last night that you recommended me for. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:01.480 Thank you. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.680 I guess I was the first person booked five months ago. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.680 You know, I literally believe it hadn't happened yet. She 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.279 approached me like, oh no, she told me the idea, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.320 and I go, you have to get Lisa like she's 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.880 She's like, you have to do yeah, and she was like, 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:17.080 can you put me in touch or whatever? So I 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.399 was yes, no, So thank you for that. But also 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.319 just this time of year, you don't get it as much. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.200 You get it from your past maybe, but like it's 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.960 just so much better and easier to get dressed when 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:29.600 it's warm out. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.440 Yeah, it's just like you. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.400 Don't actually have to think about it because we've also 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.880 had this like fucked up like it's fifty, then it's seventy, 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.000 then it's not, and now it's warm. I don't want 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.840 to speak too soon, but it's just like I don't 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:43.600 need a jacket. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.280 I can wear a spaghetti strap. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:51.280 Let's go. It's just I feel pumped. I feel yeah, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.800 I love that. I love I mean, there's nothing like it. 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.920 Like right after I moved to LA, I went back 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.960 to New York to write on. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.600 A pilot for a month in June. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.840 But like my husband came to visit me for like 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.640 a week and it was mid mid it was earlier 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.600 mid June. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.280 And I was like, did we make a mistake. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.760 It's so magical here right now, Like I just love 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.200 New York in like the spring, early summer before it 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.120 gets and I don't even mind the heat, so I'm 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:17.880 not even I don't either. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:19.640 It's going to be eighty today, but I'm wearing kind 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.480 of a backless spaghetti strap dress. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.079 Got to float on down. No Shires are worried. It's 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.320 such a pack animal in New York. You have to 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.560 carry everything with you all day if you're going to 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.120 be out for the day, and you just don't have 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:33.960 that as much when you're like I'm wearing a summer 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.560 dress and I'm out, you know, like and I could 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.320 be out from eight in the morning until three in 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.360 the morning, you know, with just a little toe. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:42.480 Oh my god. Yeah. 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:42.720 Oh. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.200 Also, so I did get a Connor story magazine. It's 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.760 called Behind the Blinds. I follow the news stands now 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:51.840 in New York. It has to help posts and I 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.239 went run in. I want to know who's buying these 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.880 magazines normally, Like so I go to this place. I 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.160 haven't heard of any of these magazines, and it's like, well, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.200 I am not in the niche interests. So like, I 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.280 understand if there's like people that are into these fashion things, photographers, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.959 like there's a whole ecosystem. But is it just kids 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.760 of rich parents putting on magazines for each other? Like 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.079 what is this? Now that I'm buying these magazines, I've 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:15.600 never heard of. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:16.520 What is this? 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.320 And there one from the Netherlands is coming, So I'm 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.399 on a wait list for that, like I'm in it now, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.680 but like I get the architects. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:29.120 Are buying some what who are or even when. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.079 We watch Real Housewives and women are on the cover 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.440 of these random magazines, Yes. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.480 What are? People are Italian Show or something like that. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.800 It was called like Italian Show and the hampton Not 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.840 the cover of Italian Show, I mean the Hampton's magazine. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.520 There's always local magazines, right, Like Hampton's magazine is a magazine. 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.840 People reading the Hampton's. Like when I was growing up, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:53.360 there was one that was like Darienn Nucanan and Rowaytan 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.400 or something like that was like for three towns, you 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.960 know what I mean? Like there are these little tiny magazines, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.680 but to be in a newsstand in New York City 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.560 people must be this isn't but this isn't just a jet. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.320 This is like a SOHO internationally. These are my three 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.840 of us specific right, this is a magazine store, but 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.360 this is how crazy it is. So then my friend, 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.600 who lives an upstate like just I would say not 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.160 even a week later, messaged me going, hey, I kind 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.320 of want the behind the blinds. I feel left out, 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:22.960 and I go I'll go get it. I'm like, nothing 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.880 gets me out of bed more. I love getting steps in, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.640 so I just start rushing. And when I showed up 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.880 all the displays where these magazines came back, only two 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.000 vogues left of like I would say one hundred. All 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.080 the Hudson Wonderlands were gone and they were taking down 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:36.679 Behind the Blinds. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:37.880 There was maybe twenty left. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:43.520 So within a week they sold out multiple display windows 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.919 of this store. Like, so the magazine is something we 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.800 haven't seen in forever. But but you know, when I 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.599 went to get that other magazine, it's like yeah, like 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.120 so they're doing a commotion, but like, yeah, I'm so 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.240 curious if anyone's listening that works in this kind of 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:01.320 rom com universe. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.040 Oh but it was so funny behind the Blinds magazine. 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:05.560 So tell me about it. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:09.080 It's it's got one hundred fifty seven thousand followers. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:14.200 Online, so do a lot online. And then the I mean. 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.960 Wow, wow photo being the cover, it's really and you know, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:21.640 I'm not even attracted to him, but that's like a 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.560 really good cover. There's two covers. I got the exclusive. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:25.960 The guy could have lied to my face. He goes, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:27.599 this cover is only in New York. I go, We'll 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:27.920 take it. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.520 I mean they're. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:39.560 There, they have France and worldwide distribution as so it 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.240 feels like but the dot com what's that called? 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.280 The extension on the website is dot b E? 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.080 What is that? What is dot b E? 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.840 I don't know, but you belt like the way you're 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.279 researching right now, it looks like a close up of 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:55.279 a movie of like the Net by Sandra Bullock, like 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.560 you were in trying to get behind it, getting the secrets, 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.000 getting behind it. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.040 I'm trying to go behind the blinds on behind the blinds. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.120 But I don't know. So Belgium there in Belgium a 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:04.440 little bit. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.440 I mean that's where their website is, That's where their 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:06.960 website is. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.520 And yeah, maybe I'm being too America focused and this 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.160 is like this is a huge magazine in France and 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:12.839 I just don't. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.080 I don't know. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.400 When you go to the website, it's everything's in English. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.560 But maybe that's because of where I am. I don't know, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.719 but like it's very this is very stylized. This is 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:21.440 very you know. 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.159 No, it's gorgeous and the Wonderland I bought, like the 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.040 photos are gorgeous, and what I loved about the. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.680 Wonderland magazine with Hudson. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.200 Usually you have to like dig for the cover piece 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.760 because they want you to look at everything. And they 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.320 just had him first. Yeah, it was like just we 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.760 know what you're here for. And so I really appreciated 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.760 that in the magazine. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.919 Yeah, usually they make you page because they've got ads 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.040 to sell, right, I know, Well, I'm spending thirty dollars 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.640 a magazine for that one, and I spent twenty eight. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:48.200 Dollars on shipping. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.760 It was like twenty five for the magazine, twenty for 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.240 shipping for that Wonderland that I got. So that's why 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.160 with these news stands, you know, it's like it's better. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.360 And now that I'm in with them, I'm gonna well, okay, I. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.279 Mean I'm glad you're getting it. I'm glad you're keeping 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.599 these newsstands alive. I'm sure they're happy. I mean, it 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.320 feels like Beatlemania or something with this. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.640 It is because I was standing outside because obviously I 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.360 was debating getting the second cover or not so so 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:12.960 standing outside the store for another ten to fifteen minutes 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.360 and girls are going in and out, in and out. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.200 The girls are going in and out. I could have 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.440 had a little bouncer clicker. I could have been I 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:23.360 could have been doing the. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.560 Doors counting to make sure the capacity is up to code. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.160 And then you know, I hit up a bookstore. Okay, 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.880 so I did finish a book. I would like to say. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.680 You said people were interested in my romance life. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.200 Which books? You have to name the titles? Yeah, so 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.080 I finished. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:43.320 Kat Sebastian, who's doing the historical gay called after Hours 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:47.280 at Dooryard Books. I wish the name was different. I'm 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.080 sure there's a reason for that name of the bookstore. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.320 Because I can't. I have to look at it still 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.240 like I cannot run the title. I loved it. I 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.600 think she actually had to self publish this one, honestly, 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.320 because it's just she owns it, like in the book 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:06.440 when I looked, but it was beautiful. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.000 I love it. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.920 It's a nineteen sixty eight New York I used bookstore. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.240 Vietnam War is happening, you know, like FBI folk music. 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.600 It's just like a lot, and it's so good and 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:23.040 I love these characters so much, and yeah, I was 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:23.960 like obsessed. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.520 So now I have like eight book I have like 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.560 so many books in my apartment. We'll see which one 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.840 I'll pick up. You got a list. I just finished 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:34.760 a book this morning. Yeah, yesteryear. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.080 But you guys have to join the Patreon if you 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:37.640 want to hear me. 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.640 Talk about it. We're going to wow a real tease, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.280 a real tea. This was the biggest sweet teased. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:42.840 Yeah. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.080 Sorry, that's the that's holding it over, holding it hostage, 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:49.120 holding my book opinions hostage, but for free. I will 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.600 tell you what I thought about The Sheep Detectives, which 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:58.559 is a movie I saw a Memorial Day. It's really cute. 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.200 I did get teary a couple of times. The kids 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.800 were absolutely confused the whole fucking time. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.280 I took four kids to this movie by myself. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.400 We met up with three other kids, and so there 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:15.040 were a ton of kids. They were like, because you know, 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.640 it's about a murder. Hugh Jackman gets murdered at the beginning, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.839 not like in a bloody way, but he is dead, 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.400 and kids, it's really big on the poster. Yeah, but 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:26.920 it's in the preview, so I don't feel like I'm 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:27.520 giving anything over. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.400 No, I know, but like, I can't believe they make 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.560 him so big and then he's dead right away. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.800 He is, But I mean, he comes back through flashbacks 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:38.240 and through he also comes back through like you know, 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.320 they have like dreams where they're talking to him and stuff. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.640 But the sheep are voiced by all these great it's 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.240 it's the sheep detectives. Of course, I'm gonna let oh 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.640 my god, it just yeah clicked Julia, Luis Dreyfus and 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.760 Brian like two of the main sheep, and like, but 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.880 the kids were it's basically knives out for kids. It's 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.080 like there's a thing and you and you go through 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.839 this like cute little town and everybody's like like kind 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.120 of a suspect and all these people had issues with 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.760 the guy who died. And and then you know who 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.360 is the main character in it. I'm not a succession person, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.720 but cousin Greg is like the star of the movie. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:16.520 Okay, good friend. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.440 He's like but he has got a British accent. He's 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.720 doing a British accent. Cool, so he's talking like he's 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.400 the like bumbling police officer trying to fit it all together. 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.559 And then another main character is Molly Gordon of theater 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:35.360 Camp and Bear Fame. Wait, do you know about Drew Ski. Yes, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:36.760 I'm sure you've heard of him obviously. 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:41.160 Did you watch his short that he put out online 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:46.800 about black British actors doing like slave and like trauma 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.800 black American parts. No, the he's a genius. He's like 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.240 truly a genius of our time. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.840 The only Drewski stuff I have taken in is his 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.960 Erica Kirk videos, which I love. 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.240 He's like a genius, Like he's truly. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:05.920 Like I got the production value and what he did 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.840 in this video because I was like familiar with the 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.680 hits and popular and then I saw this and I 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.360 was like, oh, this is like going to go down 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:13.920 in history. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:14.720 That's how I felt. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.720 So if you guys haven't seen the like him playing 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.040 the British actor and like just the production that the 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.360 production alone for like something to put online. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.199 I just was so impressed. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.640 Well, he's been around, he's, like, I think, a big 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:28.240 YouTube guy. 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.240 So he's got the money for the production, right. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.040 Well, yeah, he's very successful and famous. I'm just an 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.200 older woman. Yeah, I'm just needing him. 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:39.160 I had heard of him only vaguely through like you know, 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.719 I wrote for the Streamy Awards, Like I heard of 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.400 him vaguely until the Erica Kirk and then I was 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:46.560 like I like this guy. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.079 I'm down with Drew Ski. I'm sure he's done something. 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.920 Bad, but no, I think he's like I think, I 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.280 think he's like cool and se she got so upset 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.760 about it and was like, this man doing white face. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.720 Oh whatever, go fuck yourselves. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.640 I'm so annoyed. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.600 I love I love when somebody gets under their skin. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:14.160 It's the best. Okay, So the Heated Rivalry show, it 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.160 was so fun. Yeah, it was really fun. My friend 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.520 Gail came and she's like as obsessed as I am. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.360 What was a topic? Okay? Yeah, So because like everybody that. 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.000 Does the show kind of like does like a bit 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.240 or like a presentation right on, like yes, yes, yes, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.720 So my cover looked like this, and it's Heated Rivalry, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:44.080 a tale of an obsession and a self imposed intervention. Okay, okay, 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.040 so you see what it says photo saft What is 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:47.760 it a picture of? 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.280 Oh? It's like a butt against a butt? 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:49.960 Yeah. Okay. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.480 So my friend took a screenshot of that video and 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.959 sent it to me and then I saved it, and 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.520 then I just thought it was funny the photosh photos. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:00.840 Can you can you sund that to me so I 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.080 can put it on the stories with you on Tuesday. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.679 Yeah, I actually will set you no pressure to look 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.720 at it, but I will send you and Casey the 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.760 whole PowerPoint and you, I think we deserve it at 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.160 this time we've been don't even care enough. I'd like 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.640 to see it, and I think you guys are smart 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.040 enough to put it together without context. But yeah, that 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.079 was the cover and I had fun. It was people 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.240 that really got me, and I got like some really 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.720 big reactions and laughs and excitement, and then sometimes it 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.280 was dead silent in a way. That was the point 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.280 of the presentation was public shame, you know. But I 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.040 think everyone really liked that. I have bought heated Rivalry 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.160 Shane and Ilia collection of scented candles, and I am 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.240 allergic to fragrance and cannot light them. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.880 So people really like that. But you can't even like 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:50.400 candles that are fragranced. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.960 Some upen some are lighter, so they can't like I 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.160 have some that are lighter, like I know by the 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.480 smells what I can handle, and then some I power 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.480 through anyways, but my eyeshuts, like my right eye shuts, 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.200 and I just don't feel it and I get stuffed, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.920 like it's just like an eye thing because one time 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:10.960 I was at my house after my cleaning lady was 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.960 here and I wasn't feeling but I couldn't put it together, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.720 and I was like, the bitch, let my tailor swift 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.240 candle and so like I had to put the lid 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.240 on it. But I like this other one that's more 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.320 clean scenting, like it's fragrance mixed three. So it's like 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.040 you don't ever really know, and I'm not going to 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.560 deep dive ingredients, but by the smells, I can tell 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:31.960 what will be. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.720 Okay, there's a banana candle I can handle, but yeah, okay, 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:36.200 got it? 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.400 Got it? The eyes? That makes sense. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:39.040 The eyes. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.720 Yeah, it just feels like when I walk into Sephora, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.160 like it's just like so overwhelming with scent that I 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.760 just my eyes begin to kind of shut. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:48.440 I don't know. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.080 But it was cool to be in a room where 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.600 everyone was obsessed and excited and people gave bracelets. And 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.640 then I brought an extra V Man magazine because I 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.640 bought I think four when I got them, and. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.640 Someone donated to the food bank to get it. That 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.520 was my kind of fun idea. I think I saw that. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:10.320 That's yeah, I was really excited about that. I always 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.680 love to do a tie in. Well, but I'm dying 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.320 to hear about the theater experience you had recently too. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:17.640 I move off of heated rivalry. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.520 But no, so everyone knows I was invested in this 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:25.480 junior high production of Shrek junior at in my neighborhood. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:27.600 She's an investor in the place. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.440 She's going to see if they can take it to Broadway. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:31.760 You know. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.400 No, but Vinny, the guy who is the other regular 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.880 at my coffee shop, who how I got and like 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.080 knew about any of this, and a. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.560 Bunch of the coffee shop people came. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.800 It's just really cute, Like I've really cultivated a cutie 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.600 like community. But and I didn't cultivate it. I joined 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:54.720 it after showing up every day for two years. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:59.320 But and now I just have the I've never been 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.360 off the road this much, you know, Like it is 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.240 just like, oh my god, cool. I've just never had 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.040 such stability in my life ever, even staying at an 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.400 apartment like that, Like it just feels very peaceful. So 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.640 my friend Julia came to meet me, and so Vinnie 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:22.320 did the set and the set was gorgeous. We did 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.560 sit next to three really bad kids. Julia said, they 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.680 weren't that bad, but I just feel like they were talking. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.320 They were so annoying to me. Everyone was shushing them. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.760 One person said, shut the fuck out, like everyone shushed. Oh, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.720 the principal was so hot at the school, Like the 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.680 principle is the most fuckable principle I've ever seen in 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:38.080 my life. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.000 I don't it was. It was cool. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.640 The kids were incredible, so cutey cutie. It was like 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.520 such a cute show. I would say. The standouts for 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:55.920 me were Pinocchio, Donkey, and Fiona, the girl with the 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:56.800 that was the drag. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.040 A lot of them played different parts, gorgeous voices. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.560 Some of them are stars, and he's actually gonna do 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.880 free headshots for them because you know, you realize most 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.560 child actors are rich kids, you know, so so he's 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.199 gonna give them all free headshots. And then he had 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:12.959 friends come in and tape it all. So then they 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.800 have like these reels and they were really awesome, and 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.960 then some it's like, well, you know, kids are shy 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.239 or they are looking around, you know there. It's just 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.760 it was a really wholesome, amazing. 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.080 Oh I love it. 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.040 My friend's kid just was in it in like Connecticut, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.879 but I just like, I've never seen Shrek the musical. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.399 And then suddenly all middle schools across the. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:43.800 Nation are, well, it's Shrek Junior, so it is condensed 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:44.440 in the song. 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:46.240 Oh my god. Four Quad was so funny. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.600 I mean they were great for you, like Shrek was awesome, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.040 Like it was awesome, but you know with schools they 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.040 have to add random parts, so it's like the priest 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:57.080 has a line here, you know, everyone's everyone's around and 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.440 double dip it. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:17:59.160 It was awesome. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:04.080 But then we went to a place to get dinner 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.119 after and have some drinks. Then other friends were in 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.320 the neighborhood. Then I'm at a bar. Then my spot's 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.280 not till twelve forty five. Next thing you know, it's 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.600 five am. I have to be up by eleven for 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.040 my Russian. Then you know, I was interviewing a batgam 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.440 in person for something and then I puked and then 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.680 it was truly the worst hangover of my life that 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.440 I've never I would say top five from the Shrek 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:33.639 after party. 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.240 Wow yeah. 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:37.960 And I just like sat at the bar with a 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.560 manager and a bartender from the cellar, Like it wasn't 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.720 like I went dancing all night, like truly. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:47.160 The manager was like, okay, bye, guys, I've locked it up. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.639 Like it was psychotic, like just the three of us 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.719 sat at an empty bar. I don't even know if 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:56.240 music was playing till five in the morning. And then 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.560 I had so many tasks and I go, I didn't 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.040 even play this, and my Russian teacher goes, yeah, you 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:06.360 seem to say that a lot, and I was like, okay. 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:06.480 That's true. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.360 I go, I don't have cause there are nights where 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.000 you're like, oh, I'm getting lit tonight, or like we're 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.200 going out, and I don't. I never feel like I 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.560 get as drunk those nights as the ones where I'm like, 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.080 oh my god, it's like Jake Claire, oh my god, Yeah, 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.840 let's totally go here. Let's have a few drinks, and 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.760 then they all go home, and then I still have 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:27.600 a show at one in the morning, and then you know, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:30.160 I did get in a fight with someone about mom Donnie. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.359 We'll see, it doesn't even matter. I don't care. I 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.000 don't care. I love our mayor. 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:41.000 But my legs were shaking, Kara, like my legs were shaking. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.880 I was on FaceTime with friends as I was puking. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.160 I had them on mute, like I puked for hours. 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:50.560 I can't believe I held it together for the backgammon 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.000 guy because he's one of the only one hundred and 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:55.919 fifty grand masters in the world. Like, honestly, I am 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.320 impressed with myself. It's like when you find out a 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.439 picture was blacked out and did a no hit, like 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:03.080 the way I talked to this backgammon guy. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:03.720 Wow. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.399 And then immediately they they they had the producers had 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:08.879 to talk to him and I go, you guys, I 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:10.240 really got to run to another meeting. 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:10.600 I didn't. 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.840 I had another twenty minutes, but I had to puke. 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.080 I had to puke, I would say. Even then after 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:23.080 the FaceTime, I showered, I had Chipotle, I slept. Then 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:24.919 our friend Liby came over and she brought me like 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.520 ginger Ale and snat like she was a sweet angel. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.480 Then I read a little bit before I had shows. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.960 I had three shows then I but I had to 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:33.800 I got another. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.320 I got hung over again, like at like ten pm, 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.040 I got more headache and more nauseous, like it happened again. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:48.960 And then I performed and I did I have Yeah, yeah, wow, Wow, 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:49.199 that was. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:49.919 A long story. 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.360 But yeah, but like and it all started just from 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.200 Shrek Junior because we had a beer before. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.359 So it's like we grabbed a beer. Oh yeah, you 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.040 can't go intostrect Junior totally sober. Come on, you gotta 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.159 lo you gotta lu bappa a little bit for Shrek Junior. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.440 Yeah, like, I couldn't brush my teeth or I would 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.440 have got like I like, I didn't brush my teeth 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:06.480 till the evening. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:08.120 I couldn't have handled it. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.720 I mean, damn, I'm like. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.199 The closest I have is I was drinking publicly at 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.840 a park when my kids played on Friday afternoon. 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:16.600 And then I was at soul Cycle Saturday. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:18.320 Yeah. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:20.159 You that's the thing. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.160 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.120 I do it, and I don't know. I don't either. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.399 I don't feel good, if you want to know, I 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.600 don't feel great. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.920 It's not yet I'm an overall great result. 0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:36.480 No, I've had a chronic cough. I've been I have 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.000 like a fucking inhaler. Now I have to do nasal sprays. 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.199 Ask the medicine for a full month. She's like, you 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.760 have to stop smoking weed. I'm gonna light something right now, 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.159 Like I I don't feel physically great, but I push it. 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.359 I'm gonna walk the bridge to my friend's house after 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:51.200 we record today. 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.720 She just yeah, breathe in some small that's a great. 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:54.480 Yeah, do it? 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.439 You brought up a smog? How dareio? 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:57.919 You know? 0:21:58.160 --> 0:21:59.760 We are the city of smog. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.240 Of course there's smog, but the view of New York 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.760 City as you walk the bridge magic. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.959 It's magic. Yeah, it's great. We've been getting some what 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:10.359 are people? 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:12.879 No, We've been getting some messages from people who are 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.159 going to see the play that Marishka's in the every Brilliance. Okay, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.080 I saw a clip it looked cringe. I'm scared. I 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.520 don't know. Can people please tell us how it is? 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:23.520 People are saying it's good. 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.720 Just watching her. I don't know. It was mute. I 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:27.639 watched it on mute. 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.920 It's just there's certain things that make me uncomfortable, like 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.480 Connor's story doing clowning, Like I can't, I have to 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.520 avert my eyes. There's just like certain things, you know, 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.360 like when Marishka goes you know, like I'm so funny, 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.960 I'm like I can't like just or like when Taylor. 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.280 There's just there's things that make me uncomfortable. But maybe 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.560 I should do clowning and stop judging people and be 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.080 more comfortable in my own skin. 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.200 So wait, Marishka is gonna be in it until July. 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:58.480 I have time, and then Tracy Ellis Ross is gonna 0:22:58.520 --> 0:22:58.760 do it. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:02.080 I will see it. I will. 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.960 I have to see it. I'm lucky I'm in New York. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:04.560 I get to see. 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.359 Unless I went on like closing night or something. Maybe 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.040 I'll see if I can get to care because I'm 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:13.880 not going to be there. Casey, I'm going to send 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:17.439 it to your Gmail. See you guys. So it's easier 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.680 because I did it on Google slides perfect. 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:22.520 Okay, I'm sending it to you because maybe you can 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.119 have a report back on at our post war notes 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:29.320 at the mortam. Oh but the brace yeah, the bracelets 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.880 I was given fucking fuck San Francisco. 0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.200 Love that m you don't even get it. 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:41.199 And then I'm just a bellboy, which you seem like 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:44.240 you have a blank face on that as well. They're 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.439 both heat to rivalry references that are like pretty I 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:51.359 saw it one time, I saw it one Casey's answer said, 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:53.760 do you think I'm more annoying than Marvel people. 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:56.760 Do you think I've crossed over? Am I a Marvel person? 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:57.119 Like? 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:58.000 What's happened? 0:23:58.760 --> 0:23:58.920 Oh? 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.800 No, I wouldn't say, you're I think. I think there's 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.360 culture with Here to Revelry. I think it has value. 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.920 I think it's art, and I don't think. I don't 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.280 find it as I mean, I find it annoying in 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.480 that it gets brought up every episode, but it's not 0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:15.440 I don't find it like. 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:17.280 There have been episodes where I don't bring it up 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:18.440 except to say I haven't. 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:18.639 Brought it up. 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.400 That's true, but no, I I try to push the limits. 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.480 I understand being obsessed with Here to Drivelry more than 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:27.400 Marvel is what I would say. 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.879 Okay, thank you, that's all I needed to hear. And 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.439 you want to add to the intro. I mean, this 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.000 has been a real I know that's the thing up here. 0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:37.720 I've went. 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.840 I saw sheep detectives and I drank in a park 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:42.880 in front of my children that I don't have any 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.080 I don't have any uh crazy puking and then talking 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:49.560 to a grand master of backgammon story this week. I mean, no, 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.359 I ran in some weeks, but I have them some 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:52.080 weeks I don't. 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.479 I ran into Tommy Brennan, who you know, is off scenal, 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:00.880 which is always like you see, I mean, everyone loves 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.120 being on sl whatever, but like you see them being 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:04.960 so happy to be back at the cellar and doing 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:05.600 comedy again. 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:06.520 That schedule is so. 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:11.280 Grueling, you know, like the POSTESSNL summer vibe. When you 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:14.919 see them, they are just they're so happy. There's just 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:16.840 he did a little bit more freedom. 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.320 You know. He did my show a couple of weeks ago, 0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:22.600 and I don't know anything about him. I was like, 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.919 he's this new guy on SNL. I've never seen him before. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.400 He was so funny. His stand up was so funny. 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.240 He like absolutely crushed at the show. And then he 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:34.359 made a little video for my friend's kid, who is 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:36.080 obsessed with SNL and it was his birthday. 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.639 He's such a nice guy. Well, he has six sisters. 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.560 He is a theater kid. He's like a theater boy. Yeah, 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.600 and he just I think is a great guy, works hard, 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.560 is a good stand up and I hope much keep 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:54.320 continued success yeah on SNL as well. 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.600 But so I ran into him. So we're talking and 0:25:56.600 --> 0:25:58.080 I'm like, oh, I have to do. This is before 0:25:58.200 --> 0:25:59.880 this is in the midst of the drinking. I think 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:00.920 maybe the day after whatever. 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.760 So I'm like explaining all the it's like post hangover maybe, 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.760 but he goes, Honestly, you're He's like, I've never met 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.679 someone that's constantly working so hard for a podcast. 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.439 He's like, every time I run. 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.800 Into you, you're panicking about a murder. You have to 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.800 read like I've He's like, every time I see you, 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.399 you're doing the most research I've ever seen anybody do 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.479 for a podcast. Like, yeah, it's true because for this 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.600 other one, I've set up Etsy shops there, I've talked 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.760 to vending machine people, I'm doing online surveys, I'm doing 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:31.840 all these side gigs. 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.639 I'm interviewing pet influencers. I don't even know. 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.000 Yeah, I really need to. 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.720 Say it's just for our listeners. This she's talking about 0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:43.919 for a to be a team. I'm a future project 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.440 that is coming out soon, and thank God for the 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.879 production and writing team. Like for our podcast, we do 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:50.679 I mean casey product, but like we do all of 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:51.439 our own stuff. 0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:56.440 Like for at least this other we. 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.199 Have a lot of support, but I don't have to 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.000 do any like I'm not like the words are done 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:01.280 for me. 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:03.439 I get the one sheets on the people. 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:04.200 You know what I mean? 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:09.960 So I am but yeah, yeah, wow, But at least 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.200 the Grandmaster is a skill. I'm talking to mostly grifters, 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.720 if I'm being honest, I'm talking to people that teach 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.840 courses online on how to have better at sea shops. 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:25.560 Oh like, I'm creating all these businesses for this podcast, 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.439 and then I'm talking to the professionals in it to 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.119 improve it and see if we can create money on 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:33.959 these side hustles. 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.000 Kind of like a course we just read about in 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.840 a book that we just read. Yes, I know what 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:43.520 you're talking about. Okay, let's get started. 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Okay. 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:17.119 Today's episode Motherly Love from season eighteen, episode ten. 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:19.400 Twenty seventeen. 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.360 We're taking it back to February of twenty seventeen. 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:25.680 We open on a kid in an Uber calling his 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.680 mom NonStop and it's going straight to voicemail and he 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.480 will not let his mom live. He's leaving her a 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.760 message being like he's a little too whiny for how 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.399 old he is. You feel like he looks like fifteen 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.000 or sixteen. And he's like he's like bombed out. He 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.800 got in a fight with his dad. He's like, where 0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.240 are you when you're answering the phone, I'm almost home. 0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.600 And then he gets out of the Uber and thanks 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.520 the driver and it's like a GBC Yukon like this kid. 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.280 It ordered like Uber black and Uber XL. Like if 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.120 you order Uber Black, can you also say I want 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:52.560 a big one? 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:52.840 Yeah? 0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.840 Of course black? O okay Black Excel. Yeah, so it's 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:59.640 Black Excel. Because I was like, what lab black I 0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.480 think of like small Mercedes Sedan. 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.720 What I love about LA is like the Uber Blacks 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.120 are only three four dollars more. Yeah, like you're like 0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:10.280 a lot of and if it's really far, it's doubler 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.800 it's the airport or whatever. But like the little like 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.160 ten to twenty minute car rides. We're only like three 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.880 four dollars and it's yeah, I'm getting in a Yukon. 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:17.880 Are you out of your mind? 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.360 Also, like the culture in la is to like have 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.200 a nicer car that you can afford for a lot 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.920 of people. So like I think that every like there's 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.080 just a lot more like people are like, oh I. 0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:28.640 Have a Lexus. 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.920 I guess I can be uber black, you know. But 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.600 so okay, he gets out, thanks, the driver goes inside. 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.960 He starts to walk upstairs, and we hear, like, you know, 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:44.320 we've been here before in like the Chloe seven ye episode. 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:49.080 Right, what's that one called Valentine's Day? Valentine's Day? Right? 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:49.640 Got it? 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:51.480 Yeah, Because I was like. 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:52.640 Because I want to do it, because I want to 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:53.880 I want to talk to Chloe. 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.200 Seven yet, I know, but I was thinking of my 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.040 funny Valentine, which is a different one. 0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.840 Which is a different one, which is the Rihanna one, 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.160 which I'd never want to watch. 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.680 So we don't want to ever do. Yeah. 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:06.480 So it's always that happens to be constant where I go, 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.280 oh yay Chloe Sevinier and then I go get this 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:10.160 out of my life. 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.840 Yeah. Yeah, And the Valentine has us all fucked up. 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:20.000 So he we hear like moaning that could be like, 0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.200 it could be pleasurable consensual moaning, but it could also 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:24.640 be painful assault moaning. 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:29.000 We don't know. And the ball like obviously, as a fifteen. 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:31.960 Year old boy, hearing your mom making those noises, you're like, oh, no, 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:32.800 something is wrong. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:34.360 So he calls nine one one. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.480 Then he gets a rifle out of the closet that 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.120 was extremely easy to access. I'll just say that we're 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:42.280 hearing these noises. We can't tell, like I said, if 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.640 it's consensual or assault. When he gets to the kitchen, 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.920 his mom is bent over the table over the kitchen 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.000 island excuse me, and is being you know, penetrated from behind. 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.440 We can't really see the face of who's doing it. 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:57.280 And when we see her son. When she sees her son, 0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.160 she screams, help, he's raping me. And then the screen 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.640 goes black and we just hear the sound of a gunshot. 0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:09.120 So now it's Benson Finn Carreese rawlins. Everybody's on the scene, okay, 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.560 and they meet Detective Parry from Homicide and the attacker 0:31:13.640 --> 0:31:17.760 is dead. His name is Trey Franklin, age fifteen, already 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:22.000 like what rifle shot to the head close range? 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:24.760 Luke Keller is the shooter. 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.440 Fifteen, he saw Franklin assaulting his mother, doctor Nicole Keller, 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:32.200 age forty five. So the guys, the guys take the sun, 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:33.240 the galas take the mom. 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:33.560 Okay. 0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.360 So Finn and Careese go to talk to Luke and 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.760 he's still like I'm sorry, he's been through a trauma, 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.560 but he's kind of like a whiny little bitch and 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:40.680 like he's like. 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.560 I had to do it. He was raping my mom. 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:44.320 And then he was like, I was supposed to say 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.560 my dad's we got in a fight. He came, I 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.920 came home around nine. I wanted to talk to my mom. 0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.800 I tried calling and she wasn't answering, And then he 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:54.720 says she was supposed to be home doing paperwork. 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:55.760 She's a psychiatrist. 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.040 So he describes what happened and how he went to 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.920 grab his rifle, and both Karesi and Finn look at 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:04.880 each other like why does this whiny fifteen year old 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:05.320 have a gun? 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:07.040 And then he goes, oh, it was a gift for 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:07.600 my dad. 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.640 He likes to go hunting, and then he saw this 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.520 guy attacking the mom. 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:13.800 She yelled for help. 0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:15.680 He shot, but he didn't think he was actually gonna 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.160 hit him, like he's not like I'm. 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.240 Not crazy, Like I was thinking about that. 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:20.880 I'm like this kid, and we learned he's like not 0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.080 a you know, it's not like a hunting aficionado. 0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:26.720 So it's like how did he do it? Point blank 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:27.040 like that? 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.320 But then it's like our rifle is more surface cereat 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:32.600 Like if I shot a gun without having experience, I 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.000 think i'd fly back, Like I don't get how it 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.840 was such an accurate shot, wouldn't have shot his mother, 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:38.960 Like I don't know. 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.560 Well, that's the thing like with with like shotguns. 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:43.560 This is a rifle. 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.800 Like with like shotguns, the balls of the shotgun like 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.520 spray everywhere. So like if he had shot like a shotgun, 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:51.280 it would have hit a lot of people, Like I 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:52.720 think there's more of a chance. I think that's why 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.640 people in older times like used to use shotguns to 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:57.680 get animals, because you'll wound the animal. 0:32:58.520 --> 0:32:59.960 Casey, I don't know, you don't think about guns. 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.719 I feel like that's what I've read is that shotgun 0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.120 stuff like sprays. But then like rifles are more like 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.120 it is wild that this guy hits the kid like 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:14.320 a kill shot with one shot and is barely a 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.800 gun enthusiast. And I would say a weak looking boy, yes, 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.840 like to even have the wherewithal Yeah, he seems like 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:23.280 a really sensitive young boy. 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.440 This this episode's tough, not real. Yeah, there's been tougher. 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:28.920 It's fine, No, it's tough. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.240 It's stuff. It's sad. The boy's dead. 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:31.400 Yes. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.560 And so now we're at Benson and Rollins there with 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.240 Nicole the victim, and she's like, I need to see Luke. 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:38.760 He can't handle the stress. He has a lot of 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.440 generalized anxiety. And I was like, who doesn't, ma'am, Like 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.720 everyone has that, and then they But now I'm like, Okay, 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:45.400 now I feel. 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.240 Bad for saying he was winy. 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.680 He has generalized anxiety, but he is I don't know, 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.800 the actor is driving making me a little annoyed. 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.000 And he is like a child actor. This guy. I 0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:54.720 looked him up, but I don't really know him for much. 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.280 The actress playing Nicole is Sarah Winter, who I think 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.120 everybody knows from twenty four and other projects as well, 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:03.920 But twenty four is like, I think her big thing, 0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.239 so They asked her what happened, and she goes, I 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.479 was in the kitchen getting some wine. I turned around, 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.719 he was right there. I tried to get away. He 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.280 overpowered me. It's like, I know there are like large 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.799 fifteen year olds, but I don't know fifteen. I feel 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.400 like eighteen is when they're like more big. But whatever, 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:26.400 you know, Yeah, Ed Kemper killed. You know, I think 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.680 his grandparents at fifteen. That's true, that's but great. Yeah 0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.239 grandparents is they're old they yeah, whatever, I hear. I hear, 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.239 well he killed his parents then too. I think I 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.200 think he killed everyone. Killed his mother. Yes, I remember 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:42.319 specifically him taking his mother's vocal cords out. Yes, I 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:48.320 do recall specific so fucked so so I was shocking. 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.759 In some comics, I go, yeah, I'm trying to do 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:53.040 this Green River Killer a bit. We'll see when you know, 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.480 I can figure it out. People are upset, you know, 0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:57.839 and someone goes, oh, is there a new serial killer? 0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:58.879 I go, no, not at. 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:03.200 All, just no these old school I'd say, I'm like, 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.480 I've just learned about him though. So me, you know, 0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:06.880 it's like we don't. 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.080 Have that many new serial killers because there's like too 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.759 much technology. Now, you know the fact that Dexter is 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:13.840 getting away with it in the modern age is wild 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:20.439 or young Dexter. Don't implicate him. He's done nothing, He's 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:21.640 done barely anything wrong. 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.040 Yeah, he did murder, he did murder. 0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:29.400 He murdered one rapist, yes, yeah, and then felt guilty. Yeah, 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.000 but it's crazy that he got away with it, like 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:32.360 in a hotel with so many cameras. 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.200 I'm just saying, like, you know, he was trained by 0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.480 the best. Yeah, totally. 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.520 I'm not saying I wish it didn't happen. I've thought 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.640 it was very satisfying when it happened. I don't think 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.320 that serial killers are so prolific now because there's DNA, 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.160 there's more CCTV, there's like so many more ways. Like 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:54.440 even this fucking guy Coburger that was like a criminal 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:58.520 justice major and worked on it for probably years, fucked 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.040 up and made a bunch of mistakes and they found him. 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.240 Yeah, you know, but he killed college. 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.120 I think there are still the vulnerable communities that we 0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:10.759 always talk about that are being murdered constantly and they 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.879 are cereals. I think there are, yes, but not as 0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:18.759 many unfortunately, because those marginalized communities not as many like 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.520 Son of Sam Ted Bundy's where it's taking the press 0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:24.920 by storm, where we hear about it, you know, like 0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:26.759 the last one they caught that I remember reading about 0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.600 in the paper was BTK when they caught him in 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.160 like the twenty two thousands or twenty tens I forgot, 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:39.839 but you know anyway, So they're like, well, how did 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.000 this guy get in? And she's like, oh, I let 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.759 him in. The music gets tense, so you knew him? 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.640 She goes, yes, he was my son's best friend. Credits Uh, oh, 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:54.320 what is happening? So now Benson is downloading Detective Perry 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.320 on the whole son's BFF Infochrisy asks a good question 0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.480 like why did she let him in if her wasn't 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.360 even home and they're like, oh, well, he asked to 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.440 come in and do his homework. He's been having a 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.200 tough time at home, so he was just chilling while 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.319 the mom was working. And Caristie's wondering like if this 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.839 was premeditated on the part of the Sun and they're like, well, 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.160 he did call nine one one, and they're like, and 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.400 the rifle was locked up. I'm like, if that rifle 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.880 was locked up. It was locked up in a safe 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:24.960 that had a one digit combo. Like that kid went 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:27.480 in and grabbed the rifle. It took one second. So 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:30.959 but it's registered to the dad, and so. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.399 Fucking dad in New York City has a fucking right. 0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.440 It's just it's so crazy. 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.480 And then we find out later the dad's a psychiatrist too, 0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:39.759 him like, do you think it's like just to give 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:44.560 your dad, your fifteen year old generalized anxiety son a rifle? 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.960 Like that's a good idea, Like he has anxiety. I 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.600 don't know, you think hunt, You think like snuffing out 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.080 the life of a deer is going to like calm 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:52.600 him down. 0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:54.680 That's going to be like what gets him zen? And like, 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:56.880 you know, I just don't get it. 0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.080 But the rifle was registered to the dad, and he 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.239 goes the shooting sounds justifiable to me, But I'm a cop, 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.200 not a prosecutor. So then Trey Franklin's parents are on 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:07.840 their way to the Emmy's office. So now we're at 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.239 the hospital talking to Nicole. She says she knew not 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.600 to let Trey into the house that night. Something was off. 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.840 The way he looked at her made her uneasy. She 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.440 didn't want to shut him out. She felt bad for 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.920 him because of his home life. She said Trey came 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.440 by at nine pm. Then he and Luke had studied, 0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:24.920 saying he and Luke had study plans. But she was like, well, 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.840 that must be a mix up. Like he's at his 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.560 dad's house in Westport, shout out to the divorced dads 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:33.680 of Fairfield County, and he answered the door. She answered 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.359 the door, sorry, in her nightgown. Then she said he 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:41.920 worked downstairs. She went upstairs to her bedroom for an hour. 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:44.440 Then she came back downstairs and told Trey it was 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.960 time to go home. And she's like, well, why didn't 0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.200 you pick up when your son was calling? And then 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:51.840 she goes, well, when I work, I just put my 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.279 phone down. I don't really look at my phone. And 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:56.880 Luke was with his dad. Do you start lying, yeah, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.680 Benson is sniffing this out kind of like immediately, and 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.480 she goes, well, but you weren't working. You said you'd 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.160 already put your work down, and so she's like yeah, 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.480 and I went downstairs for a glass of wine hair relax, 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.920 and that's yeah, And that's when I felt his presence 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.239 behind me. She turned around. He put his hands on her. 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.080 She tried to stop him, and she even told him, 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.520 she said, I understand sexual impulses and urges. I'm a psychiatrist, 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:24.600 and she's dealt with this before, like probably transference or whatever, 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.360 like clients falling in love with her, having sexual feelings 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.919 towards her. But then he put her on the kitchen 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:31.920 counter or lifted up her nightgown and forced himself inside 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:32.120 of her. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:32.920 She tried to scream. 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.239 He put his hand over her mouth, so then she 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.799 closed her eyes and tried to survive. She tried to 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.680 just stay alive her son, and you know that, Like 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.239 that's like she's using Olivia Benson language here, like you 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.359 did what you had to do, you survived, like so 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:47.760 she knows all the right things to say, this woman. 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.719 And she looked up and he was standing there, Luke, 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:53.960 and she yelled help. And then she heard the gun shot, 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.759 so she knew about the gun. She said it was 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.759 locked in a safe. I said, which a fifteen year 0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:02.040 old go open in one second, so very very safe. 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.560 And then she said, but Luke is not a hunter. 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:06.480 He's sensitive. He hated the idea of a gun in 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.759 the house. He once saw a deer one hunting, but 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.520 like he couldn't shoot. So again it's like, keep the 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.600 gun at your dad's house in Westport, like Westport's much 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.680 closer to areas where you would hunt, not Manhattan, like 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.440 you know, so it just really doesn't make sense, but 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.440 we have to have a gun there somehow. So back 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.960 to Luke, who is peering through the blinds in wood 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.360 room blinds. He's really giving blinds the time to shine, 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.440 and he's worried about his mom, and Carisey's like, just 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.440 take me through it step by step again, man, and 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:40.399 then he's like, well, I didn't say stop or get 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.120 off of her. I just reacted and I didn't realize 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.520 it was Trey until afterwards, like we're best friends. I 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.879 killed my best friend. He's crying. Luke's dad comes in, 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:51.759 he's stressed. He's like, does Luke need a lawyer? And 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.680 then Carisey's like, it looks like a good shooting, and 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.480 the dad is like, I appreciate your honesty. 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:57.480 We're done talking. 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:01.160 So now we cut to Trey's pair pans identifying a 0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.160 bracelet on their son's like wrists and a scar on 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.359 his arm. But because they're just showing him a photo right, 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.680 the other parents. They're showing them a photo and then 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.279 the mom's like, I want to see his body, and 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:12.600 they're like that's a bad idea. 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:13.319 You don't need to do that. 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.680 I assumed it was because like maybe the wound was 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.880 like really really bad and like you shouldn't see it 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.000 your son like that, but I guess they're just like, no, don't. 0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:26.600 So then they tell them your son's killer is his friend, Luke, 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.239 and then they're like incredulous, like they can't believe it, 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.239 and they're like, he also said that your son was 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:35.200 sexually assaulting his mom. And the parents are like, it's 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.080 a wild amount of information for them to be taking 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:40.080 in right as they stand ready to identify their son's body, like, oh, 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.120 by the way, his best friend killed him and said 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.799 he was assaulting his mother. And they're like, Trey would 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.680 never assault anyone. And the dad's like, is Luke under arrest? 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.160 And when they say no, he's like, oh, okay, I 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.680 get it. So a white kid shoots a black kid 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:55.480 and it's the black kid's fault, and even the rape accusation, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:42:00.920 you know, it's like yes, racial stuff, Yes, totally, he's 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.040 not wrong, which is probably why they sent Perry and 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.400 Finn to speak to these parents who are both black, 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.719 and they're kind of being like no, no, no, we're 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:11.680 looking into all the angles and like assuring them, and 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:14.560 the dad cries saying his kid was a great kid. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.960 It's really sad. These parents are good actors. And the 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.640 mom demands to see her son. So they both go 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:21.759 into the viewing room and the sheet pulls back and 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.799 it is Trey just lying there with a bullet hole 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.359 in his forehead, like he got him like right in 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.120 this the head. 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:34.000 I mean, like it's a really wild shot. Yeah. 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.160 I just said he landed a kill shot for being 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.880 a sensitive kid who hates hunting. So but now Benson 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:44.279 is downloading Barba and Trey was an only child, a 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:48.080 good kid, good grades, no priors. The rape kit found 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:53.879 no seamen, minor abrasions. Nicole didn't mind her son being 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.160 friends with Trey, but she had a bad feeling about 0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.880 him from the beginning. And then Luke panicked thought he 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:02.800 could scare the Purple Way didn't realize it was his friend, 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.080 Like whatever, they're giving him all the information. If they 0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.480 can figure out the study plan mix up, that could 0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.760 establish that Trey knew the mom would be home alone, 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.640 and Rollins is like, that's the thing. There's no texts 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.279 or emails between Luke and Trey, and you know, Benson's like. 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.560 Check the socials, the lockers, the computers. 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.319 So now they're at Trey's home, which is lovely, and 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:24.000 they want his computer and electronic devices, and the dat 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.640 is pissed. He's like, have you taken all of Luke's 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.480 shit too? And you're acting like my son is the killer, 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:30.000 and I'm like, I want to get to the bottom 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.160 of the Trey has a hard time at home. Like 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.560 the parents are married, they look like they love each other. 0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:37.080 It's like totally race shit, that's it. 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.319 Yeah, it's completely like she used that as like a 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:40.880 thing that the Cubs will probably buy this. He's a 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.919 black kid, you know, like he's a good student, he's 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:48.200 got friends, like his parents are married. One's a professor, 0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.520 one's an oncology nurse. And I'm not saying like, of 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.640 course things can look perfect as we know from SBU 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:55.880 and not be perfect at home. But I'm just not 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.040 getting the vibe of like we've been going through marriage 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.400 troubles and it's really affecting him, Like no one is 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.640 saying anything that makes it seem like this kid's having 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.120 any fucking trouble at home at all, and they send 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:07.480 him to a nice private school. 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.640 So I don't know. Again, it's not like money. 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.640 Stops all problems, but I'm not getting the vibes. So 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:17.000 now they're in Trey's bedroom. They're like searching it where 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.319 there is an American flag framed and hanging on the 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:24.440 wall because classically teens love the USA, and Rollins and 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.120 Finn are chatting, and Rollin's is like, I don't know, man, 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:29.920 you don't just like wake up one day and decide 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.760 to rape your best friend's mom. And all they're finding 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:34.879 in the search is like dirty socks. She's like, there's 0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:36.880 no drugs, there's no booze. I'm not finding anything. But 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.480 Finn gets under the mattress where he finds a book 0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.120 and when he pages through it, there's photos tucked inside 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.480 of it, and there are photos of Trey posing with 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:49.600 doctor Keller, who's undercovers in bed. He's smiling at the camera, 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:52.560 her eyes are closed, and Finn goes, there's a lot 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.040 more in here than dirty socks. 0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:55.560 Done. Done. 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.120 So that's the end of Act one. Top of two. 0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:01.360 Rollins and Benson are confronting col with the photos, and 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.040 Benson is kind of sarcastic, like, imagine our surprise, and 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.840 Nicole is like, me too, I mean I had a 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.200 sense he was stalking me, but now I know, And 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.920 Benson's like, babe, you said you had a bad feeling 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.320 about him. That's taking it Like that's a few steps 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:19.160 below stalking. And then she like confirms, like it's me 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.440 in the picture. Yes, but I'm asleep. I'm totally unaware 0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.480 that this adult teenager was taking pictures. 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.920 There are no adult teenagers. There are teenagers. That's it. 0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:30.960 You're not an adult teenager. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:35.520 So well again, I guess a race thing again, Yes, yes, 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:39.560 boys are treated as adults faster. Well, and he's clearly 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:43.560 a predator, lying bitch too, right, Like we know that 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:46.040 this isn't going to go nowhere. This is SVU the 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.200 show is. The episode's called Motherly Love, like we know, 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.399 but like it's also kind of feels like if you look, 0:45:51.680 --> 0:45:54.279 if you flash forward to what happens, it's a bit 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.239 of a way of her absolving herself like an adult teenager, 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.640 like like a teenager that's big and mature and like 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:03.439 a man you know, so it's okay to have sex 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:08.080 with them or assault them, essentially. So Bedson asks, can 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.440 we take a look around? And then she's like so 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.600 and she lives in this beautiful multi floor apartment right 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.759 And she's like, so, you're saying this kid walked up 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.959 these stairs and then got on your bed and took 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:20.640 these photos. 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.000 And she's like, it's the only explanation. 0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:27.440 Of access, and Rollins goes, Nah, there are other explanations 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:31.080 that make sense, like and then she goes, sometimes I 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.440 sleep in the nude, sometimes I'm in a nightgown, sometimes 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:34.839 in a Rolling Stones T shirt. 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:37.120 Are you suggesting that I had sex with this boy? 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.040 And then she goes, I'm just asking why you and 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.520 that boy were in bed together naked, And she goes, 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.040 because he was obsessed with me and snuck into my bed. 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.000 She goes, you must be a sound sleeper. She got 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.200 an answer for everything, this bitch. She goes, I've been 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.359 on sleep medication in the last few months. So if 0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.600 you thought he was stalking you, why did you give 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:57.360 him so much access to you? Like, why did you 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.719 invite him into your home alone? At nine? It's like 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:02.840 the classic thing of like if you tell the truth. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.920 You don't have to keep track of stuff, you know, 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.439 like this woman can't. She can't keep anything straight. Yeah, 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:12.080 She's like oh yeah, yeah, but she I don't know 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:15.160 she didn't think this through before. Maybe she thought the 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:16.799 cops weren't going to come back, like yeah, I think 0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.680 she's like arrogant, right, the arrogance of like, I'm not 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.880 going to get caught for this, right. So she's like, well, 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:24.840 I was trying to help him, you know, the bad home, 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.840 and then Rollins is like, yeah, she's on my side. 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.160 She goes, where's the She said, there's no evidence of 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.440 this troubled home life that you talk about, like we've 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.680 checked out his life, like we're not seeing that. And 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.920 Nicole's like, well, you know what I see patients who 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:41.799 are rape I have patients who are rape victims, and 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.040 I tell them don't blame yourself. I guess that's easier 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.239 said than done. Like so now she's turning it back 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.120 on Rollins and Benson like, why are you guys treating 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.200 me like the purp So then on the night of 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.200 the shooting, you were up here on the upstairs floor 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:58.480 where like the master primary bedroom is and he was 0:47:58.520 --> 0:48:01.480 like and he was down here, so he never came 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:06.759 up there, and she's like, like, why didn't he just 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:08.640 go up there, Like if he was going to attack you, 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:09.640 why did he wait for you. 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:11.880 To come down to the kitchen. 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:11.799 You know? 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:15.799 And she says, Lieutenant, I think you and your colleague 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:20.080 here should leave. Uh okay, rawlins that's a read and 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.879 she goes, I'm sensing some underlying hostility and it's making 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.000 me uncomfortable. And Benson goes, yeah, well, naked selfies of 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.520 you and Trey are making me uncomfortable. And then she 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:32.000 gives her signature Benson Glare, and she leaves. So now 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:35.479 we are at what looks like the set for every 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.560 private school that they go to in the show, like 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.960 they're truly at like Columbia, or they're like at one 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:45.360 of these you know, stone stained glass window places, and 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.360 it's called Manor Hill Academy and it's in Riverdale in 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:52.560 the Bronx, and a dude is telling CARIESI this kid 0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.400 that Trey was cool, like he's only been here since September, 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.120 but he was cool, like he was a good guy, 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.719 a lot of friends, and what about Luke And he's like, 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.040 he's good guy too, but and he's like kind of 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.640 a nerd. Carse He's like, I got a nose for nerds. 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.200 So then Luke and Trey were close. He said, Trey 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.120 looked out for Luke. Luke idolized Trey thought he was 0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.560 a god. And he goes, it's crazy that Luke ended 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.200 up killing his god. And it's like, okay, all of 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:19.920 that language is strange too, So weird from. 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.680 Kid and looked up to this other kid, but it's 0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:24.320 just strange. 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:25.320 Yeah. 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:31.040 So now we're speaking to an SVU classic trope right now, 0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.000 the uptight white lady who is the dean of a 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:35.840 private school, and she's like, I've never heard rumors of 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:38.040 Trey and Luke's mom. Is that what you think happened? 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.040 And then they're like, we don't know, we're investigating, blah blah. 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:43.359 What do you think like and he goes. She goes, well, 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:46.759 Trey was a good kid for the most part, So 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:49.040 what's the for the most part. Now, the kid that 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.880 Carese was just talking to, Ethan is his name, is 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.279 being brought into wood room Blinds with his dad for 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:57.560 some follow up questions about his relationship with Trey, and 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:00.080 the dad's like he's already answered all your questions and 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:03.000 it's like, well, sir, they obviously have more and Cariese's like, 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:07.360 so no issues between you and Trey and he's like, no, none, 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.680 and he's like, because we just heard you both got 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:12.239 suspended for getting into a fight a week ago, which 0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:13.880 like your parents would have known about two. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.040 So your dad's like sitting there listening to you lie. 0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.839 So they definitely use scare tactics on this kid. 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.000 Tell him like, you know, lying to the cops could 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:25.200 really fuck up your sweet lacrosse scholarship. So immediately the 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.399 dad is like, you better talk son, and Ethan's like, okay, 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.200 but dad, you need to leave. He's like, I don't 0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:32.279 want to talk about this with you here, and the 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:36.960 dad's like, no, spill it, and like he goes like 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.479 I can't tell my dad, and the Dad's like, spit 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:41.320 it out, and so Ethan's lower lip. 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:41.920 Starts to shake. 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.759 So you know, I don't think that many fifteen year 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:46.680 old boys are a great actors. 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:48.160 So I feel like whatever he's about to say is 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:49.000 like truthful. 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.319 So he cuts into Coole's home where she's opening the 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.279 front door to find Benson and then needing to take 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.800 her down to the station to ask some questions and Ethan, 0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.960 they say, Ethan Miller says, you sexually assaulted him ten 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.479 maybe eleven times, then you moved on to Trey, and 0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:06.440 Ethan got upset and punched Tray and they got suspended. 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:11.800 And Nicole is like, what their kids. They fantasize about 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:16.440 older women women, It's a normal, healthy fantasy, and Benson's like, nope, 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:21.400 nothing about statutory rape is natural. Let's go so in 0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:24.040 cement room bars now Benson and Fann are questioning Nicole. 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:29.239 She's like, absolutely, not, unequivocally denying relationships with both boys. 0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.120 Seeing Ethan is lying, and they're like, when he told 0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.680 us about this, he started crying and he begged his 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.120 dad not to hate him, like I don't know. 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:39.200 We believe him, like we've got. 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:41.400 We've got a good this is a good confession on 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:44.760 our hands here. And they're like, Trey is dead because 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.680 you claimed he was raping you when you were the 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:48.799 one raping him. And she is shocked. She was like, 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.399 you are making this up? Like where do you get 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.839 this stuff? And Benson's like, the quicker you start telling 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.799 the truth, the better it is for you and for Luke, 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:59.319 and she leans in like, don't you dare presume to 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.040 tell me what's best for my son? And Benson's like, 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:06.399 just spitting straight facts here, baby, and she goes, well, 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.439 I know that if I'm not under arrest, I'm free 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:11.160 to go and I'll be calling my lawyer. And Benson's like, 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.200 we'll be in touch. I'm sure we'll have a lot 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.480 to talk about, and Finn calls this woman a stone 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:19.839 cold liar, like after she leaves, and Benson's like a 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.719 psychiatrist who's sexually abusing teen boys and emotionally damaging her 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.320 own son. That's worse than lying, Like that's pathological. 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:28.120 Like this is a. 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.680 Woman that is something is up with her, and Benson's like, 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.399 I want to track her phone. I want to vet 0:52:33.400 --> 0:52:36.880 Ethan's story. If she's smart, she'll cover her tracks. We 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.280 need hard evidence, and we need proof that Luke didn't 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.360 know about his mom and Trey. So now we're talking 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:45.040 to Luke and he's got his mom's back. He's like, 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.880 Ethan's a liar. That's not true. My mom said you 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.120 were going to say this, so she obviously called him immediately. 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.160 And then they said, yeah, and your mom and Trey 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:56.280 they were also a thing, and she goes and he goes, 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.640 she said, you were going to say that too. So 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:02.120 this kid is, you know, a bit of a mama's boy, 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:08.239 so which by design. I'm sure there's no way that like, 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:10.480 that's just not true. My mom would never do that, 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.560 he says. And then so then Robin steps out of 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.080 the room and Benson and Luke's dad have been watching 0:53:16.280 --> 0:53:18.719 through the glass like through the fish bowl, right, and 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:23.399 he says, Luke's a good kid, but like he's got 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.200 tea on his ex wife that he'd love to spill. 0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:25.680 The dad. 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:29.719 So he goes, she's complicated, and then they're like, can 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.200 you elaborate, and he goes, she's a malignant narcissist. She's 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.600 probably borderline. And they're like, okay, that's a little bit 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:38.480 more than complicated. And he's like, she's also a psychiat 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.759 he's also a psychiatrist. Sorry, So they're two psychiatrists married 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:42.960 to each other, or they were. 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:43.800 They're exes. 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:47.600 So now he said, this lying manipulation of use of behavior, 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.359 it's been going on for a while, and he goes, yeah, 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:53.120 since the day I met her, and she's the best 0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.479 woman and worst woman you've ever met. Wrapped into one, 0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.520 which sounds psycho. He's just like, she just tim will 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:03.239 you know what I mean? Yes, Like, and I think 0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:06.239 there is I think everything else was a con Well, yeah, 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.200 he goes She's charming, she's brilliant, like but gradually the 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.520 sickness reveals itself, and like she believes she's special, that 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:16.400 she deserves constant adoration and attention. She has no empathy, 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:19.840 but is also extremely fragile and really has no true 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.680 sense of self. And he's like, I couldn't take it anymore. 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:24.440 And they're like, but you let your son just live 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:26.439 in that house with her? And he's like, I fought 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.680 like hell for custody of Luke, but the judge sided 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.600 with her. She is charming and persuasive, like of course 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.239 she's gonna get to a judge. You know that these 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:37.239 things are hard to kind of like define, you know, 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:39.719 in a court of law, Like if you're like, no, 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.520 I have documentation of when she hit him, or I 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.800 have a video of her calling him an asshole or whatever, 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.920 like it's not the same as like she slowly and 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:52.839 quietly manipulates somebody, it's a little harder to prove. So 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:55.759 he's like, I just never thought she would destroy her 0:54:55.760 --> 0:54:58.200 own son. Please tell me you're not charging Luke with 0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:01.120 a crime, and they're like, no, so she's the criminal here. 0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:02.160 We need to talk to Barbara. 0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:05.120 So now they're in Barba's office, Benson, Rollins, and Greasy 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:06.920 are trying to make a case for Luke being totally 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.959 innocent and clueless, and they're like, Nicole is the one lying, 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:13.239 not Luke. Rollins gets lab results, then pinged on her 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:16.080 phone and she goes, here we go. We found fresh 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:21.200 seamen on a towel upstairs at Nichole's that she specifically denied. 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.560 That's Tray' semen. It's a match for Trey and she 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:28.880 specifically denied him being up there twice. And so Barbara's pissed. 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:31.920 He's like, arrest her, and Benson goes statutory rape and 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:33.840 Barbara goes, oh, I'm thinking a lot more than that. 0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:37.880 So Ben and Benson bust into Nicole's office with their 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.680 badges during one of her sessions. 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.680 Of course, the client is like, what the fuck is 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:42.319 going on here? 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:45.200 They arrest her on charges of third degree rape and 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.759 of a miner and murder. Might need to find a 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:51.839 new psychiatrist, sir. So now the top of AC four 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:56.520 outside there is a swarm of reporters and they're doing 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.359 like a drone overhead shot of these reporters. So it's 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.680 not like sometimes you can make ten reporters look like 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:05.000 a lot of reporters if you do like tighter shots. No, 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:07.960 there's like seventy five extras that are hired to be 0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:11.080 reporters for this scene. Like the featured extras budget was 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.279 popping on this episode. Okay, and Barba's giving a little 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:16.520 press conference and he kind of sounds like he's performing 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.080 like a musical number the way he says it, like 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:22.279 he's like, I don't know. He's like, our only goal 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:24.520 was to bring the person responsible for Trey Franklin's death 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:27.399 to justice, and that person is Nicole Keller. It sounds 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:29.319 like a Sondheim to me, and he just done a 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.080 lot of Sondheim. So to cry rape while she was 0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:34.359 sexually assaulting a teen while her son was standing ten 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:37.000 feet away with a rifle shows depraved indifference to Trey 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:40.040 Franklin's life. And then the defense attorney for Nicole is 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:44.480 drum Roll Buchanan, friend of the Pod, and he's doing 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:45.600 a counter programming. 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:48.120 You know, he's like defending his clients. She's a victim. 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:51.480 She is devastated by her son's friend's death and to 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:54.120 suggest she had anything to do with it is outrageous. Okay, 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.280 So now we're in court, Benson's on the stand, Barba 0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:01.320 is presenting the cum towel. Benson is stating how Nicole 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.759 has twice denied Trey being upstairs at her home. And 0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:09.920 then it's Buchanan's turn and he goes no questions for 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:12.480 this witness. He doesn't want to question Benson. So then 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:15.719 Barbara calls Luke Keller to the stand and he's whining. 0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.280 Even while he's testifying, he's whiny and he's like, I 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.880 didn't know the man assaulting my mother was Trey. And 0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.400 Barba's like, well, did your mom see the rifle? And 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.680 Buchanan objects that speculation and he rephrases it did your 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:29.400 mom look down? 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:30.560 And Luke goes yes. 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:34.360 So Luke is like, maybe now seeing the forest for 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:37.640 the like he's seeing the reality with his mom. So 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:41.200 he describes how he pulled the trigger after his mom 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.160 yelled rape, but he didn't mean to kill anyone. He 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.840 was only trying to help his mom, like he's been 0:57:45.880 --> 0:57:47.200 sticking to the story the whole time that he just 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:48.920 thought that the gunshot would scare him off. He just 0:57:48.920 --> 0:57:53.160 happened to obviously stick a kill shot. So now it's 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.760 Buchanan's turn and he's doing his slick shit trying to 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:59.080 trip this kid up on the stand. He's like and 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.200 he's like, I thought my mom was being attacked, but 0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:04.520 Lieutenant Benson told me what they found upstairs, and basically 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.960 I Buchanan is saying, well, you have no way of 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:09.280 knowing if your mom saw the gun or what she 0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:13.440 was experiencing or seeing. And one last thing, didn't Barba 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:16.479 the prosecutor give you a deal of no jail time 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.320 for testifying against your mom, even though you're the one 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:24.080 who killed Trey, right, And he says yes, And how 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:26.040 are they not prepared for this? Like they know Buchanan's 0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:28.040 going to ask some shit like this, right, They're always 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:30.320 going to ask if there's like a deal. And the 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:33.040 judge is, by the way, judge Elana Barth and we've 0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.120 seen her in a lot of episodes. So there they 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.160 let Sad Sad Luke step down, Benson whisks him away, 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.240 and his mom like looks on and she's like pissed 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.120 that Benson is like mothering her child a little bit, 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:46.800 you know, outside the courtroom, his dad's walking him out, 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:49.560 his mom comes, The mom comes out and they hug 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:53.000 and then she shoots a death stare at bensim and 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:55.440 Barba's like, the poor kid doesn't know whether to love 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:58.560 her or hate her, and Benson goes, it's hard to 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.120 give up on your mother, no matter how sick she 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:00.440 may be. 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:02.960 And Benson knows. No one knows that, like Benson. 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:03.160 Right. 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.880 So now this crazy bitch Nicole is on the stand 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.720 and Buchanan is questioning her and she's going over what 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:12.760 happened that night and she's like, I yelled rape and 0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.760 then I heard a horrible loud gunshot and then it 0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:17.320 was over. And now it's Barbi Stern. You better watch out. 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:19.520 And he's like, so you let this kid in at 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:23.360 nine pm and she's like turbulent home life, and Barba says, 0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:25.560 you keep saying that, but his parents are happily married 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.960 and he gets straight a's and she starts in on 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.400 how grades are not indicative of emotional problems and all 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.320 this stuff, and Barbara goes, Okay, we're not interested in 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:34.760 your psychobabble for the moment, thank you so much for sharing, 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:39.160 and it's amazing, it's so good. He is such a 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:42.160 little like no, no, no, thank you, We're good. And 0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:46.200 then Barbara brings up the towel. How did this boy's 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:50.000 jizz get on that towel, ma'am? And she has no clue. 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:54.360 Maybe he's snuck up there and masturbated one night. Maybe yeah, 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.320 like this boy's whole goal was to come up to 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:58.440 your room, take a selfie with you sleeping jerk off 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:00.120 in a towel, and then lee like, what are you 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:05.600 talking about? So maybe you had an initial encounter upstairs 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.160 and then brought him downstairs for more and bu cannon 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:12.480 objects and the judge allows it, honestly. And Barba's like, 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.320 you let him into your home late at night wearing 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:17.480 lingerie and she goes it was a nightgown. And Barbara 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.920 gets pissed and goes, we're not going to argue semantics. 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.040 You are wearing this little number and shows a picture 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:23.360 of this silky nightgown. 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.720 I mean it is technically a nightgown, but it's like 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:26.840 pretty sexy. 1:00:26.920 --> 1:00:27.520 I guess, I don't know. 1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:29.880 You can wear whatever you want to bed she says, yes, 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:32.480 but I was ready for bed or ready to sexually 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:34.880 assault a fifteen year old boy. Barba says, you let 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:36.960 him into your house wearing only a nightgown, then cried 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:38.800 rape when you saw a gun in your son's hand. 1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:41.040 And Nicole's like, he raped me, and Barbara counters, no, 1:00:41.160 --> 1:00:44.800 you raped him. There's an objection, and then what Barbara 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.920 withdraw withdraws that and he rests his case, and then 1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:51.240 Nicole turns to the judge and says, I want to 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.760 testify again. I need to change my defense if you can. 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:57.720 It is even baffled. He's like, and she goes, I've 1:00:57.760 --> 1:00:59.720 been lying and now I just want to tell the truth, 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:00.560 ill truth. 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:04.040 Judge Barth is like, Chambers, right now, okay, And. 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:07.240 I'm like, I'm like uncomfortable knowing what's happened going to 1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:07.880 happen next. 1:01:08.240 --> 1:01:09.640 Yeah, it's like so upset. 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:12.040 It's so upsetting. 1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:15.640 She wants to tell the truth, Buchanan says, and Barba's like, 1:01:15.680 --> 1:01:17.439 you don't just get to suddenly tell the truth because 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:21.720 the jury isn't buying your lies. And Buchanan says, I 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:23.920 have the right to redirect testimony of his wit of 1:01:24.280 --> 1:01:27.280 the witness or whatever, and my client will offer a 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.760 new defense. Her new testimony will contradict her prior testimony. 1:01:31.000 --> 1:01:33.680 She is willing to admit she perjured herself and Barth 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.640 is like, okay, but what's the new defense. Now we're 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:41.560 back in court, Buchanan is questioning Nicole yet again, saying 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:44.360 we'll tell them what happened. She says, Trey Franklin and 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:47.360 I were in the kitchen having sex. Luke walked in 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:50.720 on us and shot his friend in the head. Did 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:53.880 you make eye contact with him? She says no. It's 1:01:53.880 --> 1:01:55.680 always weird when they do this kind of shit too, 1:01:55.760 --> 1:01:58.520 because we saw it. We saw the beginning of the episode, 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:01.200 like it's there, like you know what happened, Like sometimes 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:04.920 there's just a body and we don't know what actually happened, 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:08.000 but we saw it like it's on camera. We saw 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:10.880 you make eye contact with him, and she says no, 1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:12.760 and Luke is like obviously crying. 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:15.400 Benson is horrified. Her mouth is like on the ground. 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.280 She's like, I cannot believe this bitch is doing her 1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:21.080 own son dirty like this, and Nicole says, I don't 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:22.520 want my son to go to prison, so I just 1:02:22.560 --> 1:02:25.400 made up the rape thing to protect him. Benson cannot 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.320 believe this shit. She's like comforting Luke. She's basically saying, 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:30.360 Luke knew that Trey and I were involved in a 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:34.120 sexual relationship. One time he caught us having sex and 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:38.800 he was just in the doorway watching and masturbating. Like what, 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:41.600 And they go, are you saying your son is romantically 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:44.360 attracted to you? And she says, yes, it's not as 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:49.040 unusual as you What a crazy, dumb, twisted, stupid bitch. 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:53.040 But she thinks, I'm a psychiatrist. I know this exists. 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:56.000 I know that genetic sexual attraction, even though we kind 1:02:56.000 --> 1:02:58.960 of know it's not real, Like, I know that this 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:03.080 has happened that like Macbeth, Oedipist, whatever, there have been 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.800 men attracted to their mothers before. So she's like, they'll 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:09.480 buy this. I'm such a pro, I'm so charming. I've 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:11.760 gotten everything I've wanted out of life. Why not now? 1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:14.640 So she's like, yes, it's not as usual as unusual 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.000 as you might think, and Benson is like, let's go, honey, 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:19.280 I'm getting you out of here, and like tries scooting 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:21.840 Luke out of there, and as they're leaving, Nicole is 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:24.439 yelling Luke, it's my fault. I should have taken better 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:27.000 care of you. I take responsibility for this. 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:31.320 And he's like horrified, sad Benson, So God has Benson. 1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:33.200 But she can't help do a little gaslight on his 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.920 way out, like no, like you know, or like a 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:39.520 little manipulation, like I know that you've been in love 1:03:39.520 --> 1:03:41.520 with me and I should have done something about it earlier. 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:44.760 I'm so sorry, like crazy, so you can't arrest. The 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:47.760 judge calls adjournment, but Barbara wants his shot now while 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:49.760 the jury is still hot. But the judge is done, 1:03:49.840 --> 1:03:53.960 which I'm annoyed with, I know, and she's like, no, Barbara, 1:03:54.240 --> 1:03:56.480 we'll see you tomorrow at nine am. So now in 1:03:56.600 --> 1:04:00.760 Barbara's office, CARESI and Benson and Barbara are strategizing when 1:04:00.840 --> 1:04:03.840 Luke's dad arrives and goes well, Luke wants to plead 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:06.360 guilty for murder and like to murder, and they're like 1:04:06.760 --> 1:04:10.080 the dad's like, but he has immunity, right, And now 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:13.320 Luke believes that he deliberately shot Trey, which is because 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.680 the mother has sort of like gaslit him into believing, like, oh, 1:04:16.720 --> 1:04:18.720 remember how you were so jealous of me and Trey's 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:21.400 relationship and you knew about it, like none of that happened. 1:04:21.840 --> 1:04:25.120 But that's now Luke's doubting his own mind and his 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:29.200 own thoughts. So Luke believes he deliberately shot Trey and 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.400 that deep down he knew his mom was fucking his friend. 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.480 In her deluded mind, Luke is responsible for this and 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.040 she needs to take him down, and Benson's like, I 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:40.240 gotta talk to Luke. So they meet outside. Benson's like, 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.720 let me take you for a drive. So they get 1:04:42.720 --> 1:04:46.160 into her suv that she drives around town and she 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.080 asks if you want to go get something, like you 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:49.560 want to go get somebody to eat. He's like, I'm 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:51.400 not really hungry and I don't want really whatt people 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:53.120 staring at me, Like can we just talk in the 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:56.920 car and she's like sure. She tells him, you can't 1:04:56.920 --> 1:05:00.200 plead guilty. You told me and Careesy a dozen times 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:03.040 about how she pleaded for help, and he's like, yeah, 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:05.240 but I knew she liked Trey. She was always real 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:08.200 talkative when he was around. And she's like, yeah, but 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:11.440 did you ever see them physically together? And he says no, 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:15.960 And he says, what my mother said about me watching 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:18.640 them was a lie, and Benson's like, babe, I know that, 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:21.560 but I did hear her say once he says that 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.720 Trey was really handsome, so I knew. I just didn't 1:05:24.760 --> 1:05:28.720 know that I knew. And Benson explains statutory rape to 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:31.240 this kid, and he's like, I was just trying to 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:33.960 save her, and Benson's like, yeah, and you're really really brave, 1:05:34.440 --> 1:05:39.080 and she said, like I heard the deer hunting story 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:41.080 from your mom. The mom had told a story earlier 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:43.440 about how like one time he saw a deer and 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:45.720 he couldn't even pull the trigger because he didn't want 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:48.320 to kill the deer. And she's like, I know, like 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:50.120 who you really are, Like you're not a person that 1:05:50.200 --> 1:05:53.080 hurts people, and it's not your job to sacrifice your 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:56.720 life for hers, and so yeah, it's like this kid 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:58.360 couldn't shoot a deer. You think he's going to shoot 1:05:58.360 --> 1:06:02.480 his own best friend? Like that's not happening. Back in court, 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:06.160 the judge asks if Barbara is ready for cross but 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:09.800 he recalls Luke and everyone is stunned, and he takes 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.200 the stand and he asked, Luke, did you intentionally shoot 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:15.360 Trey out of anger for him? Being in a sexual 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:19.320 relationship with your mother. And he says, no, that's not true. 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:21.800 I shot him because I thought he was raping her. 1:06:22.400 --> 1:06:25.720 And then he says Barba says, why did you think that? 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:28.760 And he goes because she looked me in the eye 1:06:28.920 --> 1:06:32.400 and yelled help. He's raping me. And Luke is very focused. 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:34.840 I think she was betting on her son going down 1:06:34.840 --> 1:06:38.959 for it. Like fully. So now the jury has a verdict, 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:42.760 manipulating him for years. Yes, the jury has a verdict. 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.920 They find the defendant guilty on second degree murder and 1:06:46.000 --> 1:06:49.080 third degree rape of a miner. She looks stunned, and 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:52.080 they should bring her back to court for ethan for 1:06:52.640 --> 1:06:54.560 like third degree rape of a miner at times ten 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.840 or however many times she did it. She looks stunned. 1:06:58.080 --> 1:07:00.240 She's like, I've never not gotten what I want in 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:03.360 my entire life. What's happening. She rushes towards Luke and 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:06.080 tells him she loves him, and she forgives him. I'm 1:07:06.120 --> 1:07:07.920 still your mother, and I'll always be your mother no 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:13.400 matter what you've done. Psycho, Congratulations, lieutenant, you've convinced my 1:07:13.480 --> 1:07:15.600 son I'm the devil. And she goes, no, Nicole, you 1:07:15.640 --> 1:07:19.240 did that all yourself. She gets taken away. Barba asks 1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:23.120 if Benson is okay and tells her, you know, Luke 1:07:23.240 --> 1:07:25.080 is a strong kid. He'll be fine. I'm like, is 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:26.880 he he's been pretty whiny. I think it's going to 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:28.320 take a while. I think he'll be okay, but it's 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:29.040 going to take a while. 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:31.520 Oh yeah, And it's like to go to a therapist. 1:07:31.640 --> 1:07:35.080 It's gonna like his mom was psychiatry, Like it's gonna 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:38.320 be hard to trust other mental health professional trouble exactly 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:40.040 because she was so bad. 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:44.440 But the dad seems good. Yeah, maybe then. 1:07:46.240 --> 1:07:48.280 We'll get rid of the guns until your son's older 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:50.400 and is feeling a little bit more confident in life, 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:52.960 and then you can see if he's interested in hunting anyway. 1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:57.720 She goes, I think, Barbara Benson goes, you really believe 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:00.360 that about him being fine? And then Barba asked, want 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:02.120 me to buy you a drink? And she turns him down. 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:04.320 She never turns Barbara down for a drink. I feel like, 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:07.280 she goes, I gotta go home, I gotta go see Noah, 1:08:07.400 --> 1:08:09.919 and she like, through tears, is like, I just want 1:08:09.920 --> 1:08:13.720 to be with my boy. She shook she's shaken, she's gagged. 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:18.599 She stares at the courtroom and that's dick wolf, I think, 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:21.400 and now like that she's she's been a mother since 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:24.280 like season sixteen, maybe this is season eighteen. I just 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:27.760 think she like can't believe that a mom would do 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:33.960 something so shitty to her, and this this wlain it 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:36.960 to this kid, you know, like, how do you explain that? 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:40.519 Like she was willing everyone to think that you like 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:43.719 jerked off and while your best friend and mom fucked 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:46.800 like you dumb bitch. And this episode, I feel like 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:49.400 combines a bunch of past episodes, Like it combines Mother 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:51.719 where the psychiatrist is having sex with patients. 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:54.680 Right, was that not John Margaro? Who's the guy? 1:08:54.960 --> 1:08:58.240 John Abraham's John Abraham and we talked to that's right, Mother. 1:08:58.360 --> 1:09:01.720 It combines Mother, It combines Valentine's Day, I mean a 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:03.840 little bit of pop with like the mom and the 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:04.760 son who did it? 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:05.960 We're both like, we're both. 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:09.519 And so I just covered a case with the fake rape, 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:12.559 like and then remember remember the com down the butthole? 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:13.880 Oh I do? 1:09:14.000 --> 1:09:15.800 How could I forgot? Yeah? 1:09:15.880 --> 1:09:18.040 What episode was that for? We just did it? 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:21.839 I don't remember, but it was a case where she yelled, 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:24.799 but because it's Texast, she's in jail and the shooter 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:30.360 is not. Oh yes, yeah, which one was that? Yeah, 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:32.400 because that was given for this case as well. 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:35.559 But you know, I just covered it, deleted it from 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:37.440 my mind memory spiritics. 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:42.920 I know the details and where. But yeah, well i'll 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:45.439 go into what this is. Did you have more to 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:47.840 say about this bad mother? How much time do you 1:09:47.880 --> 1:09:53.639 think she got for murder? And like she'll get she'll 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:57.840 probably get parole, and like we talked about, like we've 1:09:57.840 --> 1:10:00.760 talked about before, she'll probably appeal until she fucking gets out. 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:07.240 But I don't think she's appealing rich. Maybe a couple appeals, Yeah, 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:09.960 maybe that wouldn't really rich for all these appeals. 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:11.840 It was a big house that they were living in 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:16.280 for New York City. But maybe she comes from money, 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:18.880 because I don't know psychiatrists that could afford a town 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:19.439 home like that. 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:23.920 Well, psychiatrists make a lot for New York. Maybe she's rent. 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:27.000 I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, right, 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.640 And I think she's getting twenty years. I think she's 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:33.040 getting twenty years at least. Yeah, yeah, and she's forty five, 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:35.240 she'll be sixty five, maybe the letter out on bail 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.439 being like, well she's not gonna and some if any 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:41.040 teenagers at sixty five, I don't know. Yeah, well you'd 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:52.080 be surprised. Okay, So we'll get started. This is the 1:10:52.120 --> 1:10:56.200 case of two cases, two cases today. So the first 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:59.320 one is unfortunately, the murder of a Keem Davis. And 1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:04.639 this was mainighteen twenty sixteen in the Bronx. Yeah, seventeen 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:06.880 years old. He was shot and killed late in the 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:10.480 afternoon and he was found in the Pelham Parkway housing development. 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:14.240 Neighbors said to New York For NBC that they saw 1:11:14.400 --> 1:11:16.880 Davis sitting outside his building just before he died, joking 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:20.360 around with friends, like nice, well known kid. There were 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:24.880 videos posted online on Facebook Live before the shooting as well, 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:27.400 and the videos had the victim and other people in 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:30.880 the room. There was the and like the last video 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:33.000 was taken at least a half hour before the shooting, 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:35.599 and it was you know, smoking weed, listening to music, 1:11:35.760 --> 1:11:41.120 like just like friends stuff. Rachel Williams, a neighbor NBC 1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:41.640 New York For. 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:43.519 She said he was like a very good kid, not 1:11:43.600 --> 1:11:46.840 a troublemaker. He didn't deserve that, but troublemakers also don't 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:49.519 deserve to get shot. And he was just a month 1:11:49.520 --> 1:11:52.160 out from graduating high school. He would have been eighteen 1:11:52.280 --> 1:11:57.120 just one week later. More quotes from the neighborhood. Humble, contagious, 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.320 sense of humor, very polite, sweet, hold the door for you. 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.719 If he saw you with the package, he would assist 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:06.599 you with it. And according to police and CBS New York, 1:12:06.600 --> 1:12:08.599 he was found with a gunshot wound to the torso 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.960 he stumbled into the hallway, collapsed in front of his 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:15.800 brother's girlfriend, Star White, and she's quoted in the Daily News. 1:12:15.880 --> 1:12:19.160 All of his blood was just coming out of his mouth. Oh, 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:21.479 he just came out here and dropped and was pronounced 1:12:21.520 --> 1:12:22.719 that at Jacobi Hospital. 1:12:23.280 --> 1:12:24.200 Now May twentieth. 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.280 The next day, his friend is charged in the shooting 1:12:26.320 --> 1:12:30.320 death with manslaughter and criminal possession of a firearm. That's 1:12:30.320 --> 1:12:33.960 Stefan Lewis, nineteen years old and he's, you know, just 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:34.880 playing with a gun. 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:37.200 He thought it was empty. 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:41.080 And the grandma said that he was crying a lot 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:44.519 when he was announced dead and that he's like suffering 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:45.240 because of this. 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:46.679 And this is the NBC New York. 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:50.760 For and yeah, he and she'd Obviously the grandma doesn't 1:12:50.760 --> 1:12:52.280 want him being charged as an adult, but he did 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:55.519 get charges as in adults. And then the father of 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:58.240 the shooter like apologized to the Davis family but said 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:02.040 it was an accident. And that's and then the Davis 1:13:02.080 --> 1:13:04.400 family does not believe it was an accident. A Chem's 1:13:04.400 --> 1:13:07.400 teen sisters quoted an NBC New York for we don't 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:10.240 think it was playing or no accident because we've seen 1:13:10.320 --> 1:13:12.599 him for ourselves. So that's what I have to say 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:16.920 about that the gun had not been found though, like 1:13:17.160 --> 1:13:19.160 he was charged, they couldn't find the gun. The family 1:13:19.240 --> 1:13:21.040 rightfully says, if it was an accident, why is the 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:22.559 gun not found, Like the gun should just be there 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:24.360 as evidence, like if it was all about mistake, like 1:13:24.720 --> 1:13:27.600 show us the gun, so that like the family's like 1:13:27.640 --> 1:13:29.800 they must be hiding something. And then the detectives, to 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:33.240 Spectrum News one New York reported that the gun was 1:13:33.320 --> 1:13:36.800 not legally registered but did not belong to anyone in 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:40.160 the Davis household. Lewis, however, told the police in a 1:13:40.160 --> 1:13:42.599 criminal complaint that the gun belonged to a Keem's brother. 1:13:43.680 --> 1:13:47.360 We don't know because this is okay, whatever I have 1:13:47.360 --> 1:13:51.800 to keep going, so and there was shady language. So 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:55.960 it's like sources said and eyewitnessed told detectives and it's 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:59.080 like okay, like what yeah, but that he was hanging 1:13:59.120 --> 1:14:01.160 with a group of you know friends in his bedroom. 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:06.760 And also the Daily News like called the shooter a 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:13.719 beef eteen like, oh my god, strange. It's strange, but yeah, 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:16.160 like it says David and Lewis were playfully wrestling on 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:17.800 the bed when Louis picked up a gun on the 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:21.200 dresser around five pm and shot his friend once. I 1:14:21.240 --> 1:14:22.760 just don't even know how that's a joke, Like I 1:14:23.000 --> 1:14:25.760 just don't understand. Lewis said to The Daily News that 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:27.720 after the gun went off and shot a Keen in 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:29.240 the chest, he threw it on the bed and ran 1:14:29.280 --> 1:14:32.000 outside and called nine one one. So the victim's mom 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:35.640 told the Daily News, and she's a male carrier. I 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:37.800 could understand if he got shot out in the street, 1:14:37.880 --> 1:14:39.960 but they shot him right here in his bed, and 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:42.559 it is his friend. And this is fucked up because 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.479 like tragedy. She's a grieving mother. But Jocelyn Carr to 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:47.880 the Daily News said she did everything she could to 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.120 keep This is like unrelated to the case. But she 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.160 says like she did everything she could to keep her 1:14:52.160 --> 1:14:54.679 son protected from the violence of the streets, even making 1:14:54.720 --> 1:14:57.439 him pledge to join the army. And it's like the 1:14:57.560 --> 1:15:01.599 army's quite violent. I would say, yeah, but they pay 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:02.240 for college. 1:15:02.360 --> 1:15:02.880 But listen. 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:08.000 So I tried to find anything about a conviction, a trial, 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:09.320 a prison set. 1:15:09.520 --> 1:15:10.679 I could not days. 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:15.240 I searched, like I was in the bronx DA's office 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:21.280 website searching. I was just hold an accident. I don't 1:15:21.280 --> 1:15:24.160 think it went to court. I was looking up convictions. 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:26.360 I was like in weird papers, lock up. 1:15:26.360 --> 1:15:28.559 There would be a record, there would be a record, 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:31.439 and I could not find it. So if it exists 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:33.040 and you you work in the city and you can 1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:35.680 get your hands on more information, but like I could not. 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:39.880 So it either got dismissed or did he even get 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:41.840 Did he get arrested? He did, Yeah, he was charged, 1:15:41.880 --> 1:15:46.439 he got arrested. Yeah, he was charged with manslaughter and. 1:15:46.400 --> 1:15:49.000 Like, yeah, I bet it got thrown out and. 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:50.840 Not half and the gun like he had the gut 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:57.280 this gun and criminal possession of a firearm. So sad, okay, 1:15:57.400 --> 1:16:00.880 So that's that, And I don't know no civil case. 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:05.439 There's nothing. I couldn't find anything. Yeah, and it's not 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:07.599 like that unique of names, so it's tough. 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:12.080 So the next case is Pamela Rogers Turner found her. Okay, 1:16:12.160 --> 1:16:14.960 so this all happened in two thousand and five, and 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:16.719 the articles are crazy. 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:18.400 I mean, we still do it, but it's like thirteen 1:16:18.479 --> 1:16:21.760 year old boy sex and it's like teacher, it's not 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:22.920 accused of having sex. 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:26.439 It's like the language is so fucked. The New York 1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:30.320 Post in an article was like a torrid affair between 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:35.200 a stunning teacher and thirteen year old student. Like they 1:16:35.640 --> 1:16:38.639 articles called her a temptress, and it's like, no, she's 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:39.440 a pedophile. 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:42.799 And so she was its pe teacher. 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:44.679 She was twenty seven at the time of the crime, 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:47.479 and you know, a pedophile and this happened sixty five 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:51.960 miles southeast of Nashville. The sheriff again described her as 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:55.559 absolutely gorgeous, so you can imagine, you know, how the 1:16:55.600 --> 1:16:59.000 pedophile case went. You know, she's blonde, former college homecoming queen, 1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:01.760 and I didn't know call homecoming thing is a thing, 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:09.599 basketball player, bikini clad promoter for professional wrestling matches, according 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:13.880 to CBS News, and I did five. So now I 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.640 did find her through the sex defender registry. 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:18.759 Ye, I see her on there. 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:21.720 So the offence has happened. 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:24.760 So February seventh, two thousand and five, sexual battery of 1:17:24.800 --> 1:17:27.519 an authority by an authority figure, sexual battery by an 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:32.320 authority figure. Then July seventh, two thousand and six, solicitation 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:36.439 to commit sexual exploitation of a minor. She's still actively 1:17:36.479 --> 1:17:39.240 on the registry. And then there's a full criminal history 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:43.639 as well. So, like I said, so February seventh, oh five, 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:46.960 it's stat rape with a thirteen year old convicted, and 1:17:46.960 --> 1:17:49.960 then the same day with sexual battery by an authority convicted. 1:17:50.120 --> 1:17:53.040 But she had like thirteen and fifteen charges of each 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:56.880 she was facing one hundred years. I think every time 1:17:56.920 --> 1:17:59.800 you have you sexually assault one of these kids, you 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:02.519 get to charge. Yeah, right, yeah, so it's thirteen and 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:07.960 fifteen and so then April, so then I found this 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:10.599 information first. Maybe I should have organized it better or whatever. 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:14.280 So then her last registration report date was March sixth, 1:18:14.360 --> 1:18:17.000 twenty twenty six, and last date information upload it was 1:18:17.040 --> 1:18:19.559 May eighth, twenty twenty six, so like it is all 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:20.280 being old, that's like. 1:18:20.360 --> 1:18:22.960 Four days ago. Oh my god, it's like really cool. 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:26.240 So she had an ongoing sexual relationship with a thirteen 1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:31.519 year old male student, and she was employed by Warren County. 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:33.840 It lasted three months and one occurrence was in the 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:37.559 school gym, the CBS News from Southern Standard said, And 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.800 it started with online chats and again the New York 1:18:39.840 --> 1:18:41.800 Post called it innocent, and it's like, no, a teacher 1:18:41.840 --> 1:18:42.360 should not be. 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:43.760 There is no innocent in this. 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.080 His childhood friend, Justin Grissom, said he was with his 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:50.320 friend when the chat started, and Turner wrote, I think 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:52.960 you're cute, and this is according to the teen and 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:55.280 New York Post, Like, I don't know if you want. 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:55.840 To trust it or not. 1:18:56.640 --> 1:18:59.479 She took his virginity obviously he's like thirteen, but also 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:01.960 like there is probably more to this conversation, if it's 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:04.160 choice or not. But his best friend Justin was like, 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:08.639 she threw herself at at his pal and she pursued 1:19:08.720 --> 1:19:11.640 him and was way more into him than he was 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:14.559 into her. But Justin's a bad friend, Like why are 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:16.960 you saying everything? And then he told the Post his 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:19.800 friend loved every minute of it and called his friend 1:19:19.800 --> 1:19:20.559 a little pimp. 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:23.520 And then if this was gender reversed. 1:19:23.640 --> 1:19:25.800 If this was like a man, a twenty seven year 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:27.479 old man going after a thirteen year old girl, people 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:29.880 would be like with pitchforks outside of his house, Beauty 1:19:29.880 --> 1:19:31.080 and the Beast, Yes. 1:19:31.000 --> 1:19:33.360 And then what bothers me is like whenever there is 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:37.439 a rape discussion, like it's always like what about the opposite? 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:39.280 And it's like I am outraged. 1:19:39.360 --> 1:19:42.120 I'm like, you guys are the ones that are excited 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:44.160 by this, you know what I mean? And the sentences 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.280 and the way the sheriff is talking about her, it's like, 1:19:47.000 --> 1:19:49.360 you guys are perpetuating it, like okay. 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:51.200 So he also. 1:19:51.000 --> 1:19:53.320 Also the way that they'll be like she's dropped it gorgeous, 1:19:53.400 --> 1:19:55.960 like why did she have to? It's like I would 1:19:56.040 --> 1:19:58.760 understand an ugly woman hooking up with a thirteen year 1:19:58.760 --> 1:20:00.600 old What other choice does she we have but a 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:01.320 hot one? 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:03.120 Like come on with. 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:04.920 This diattal files. 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:09.400 So the friend, the quote unquote friend claims that he 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:11.800 dumped his girlfriend who was his age, to focus more 1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.720 on the teacher. She was calling him fifty five to 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:18.599 six times a night, and the posts again gorgeous blonde 1:20:18.600 --> 1:20:23.920 bombshell elicted trists, and then there was a lot of intercourse, 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.080 a lot of oral dozens of times. So that's why 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:27.920 I shared all these things. And then the actions, like 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:30.840 I said, took some at the school and then some 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:33.160 at Turner's home she rented with her husband, but also 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:34.240 at the teen's house. 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:36.080 Oh my god. 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:39.720 Also, all this coverage is from the two thousands. It's like, 1:20:39.760 --> 1:20:41.800 this is not from like the seventies, where you're like, 1:20:41.840 --> 1:20:43.920 it was a different time we had sex with our teachers. 1:20:43.960 --> 1:20:46.799 Like it's from like twenty years. 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:49.840 Ago, and like, and the da Dale porter said to 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.400 NBC News that like Turner living at that for a 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.280 brief period of time when she was moving from residence 1:20:55.320 --> 1:20:57.479 to residence, and the mother of the teen is quoted 1:20:57.520 --> 1:20:59.439 by the news too being like, oh, she was a 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:02.639 family friend, so they moved in this family friend teacher 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:04.120 who was raping their son. 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:08.160 But like this was just good old pals. Oh my god, 1:21:08.320 --> 1:21:10.360 you know, strange, strange, strange. 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:14.439 So she tried to plead no contest in August oh five, 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:18.240 but she entered a guilty plea to four counts and 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:22.360 received an eight year split confinement sentence, of which she 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:25.320 was to serve six months in the Warren County Jail 1:21:25.479 --> 1:21:28.439 and then the rest would be on probation, so like 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.479 she only had to serve six months and then seven 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:32.400 and a half years, just like on probation on this 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:33.479 like split confinement. 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.160 I don't really know what that means. Nuts, That is 1:21:36.200 --> 1:21:38.640 a wild sentence. 1:21:38.320 --> 1:21:40.080 And if she didn't take the plea deal, she was 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:43.559 facing charges punishable by one hundred years, which she probably 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:47.400 should have gotten. She obviously surrendered her teaching certificate. She 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:49.719 agreed to be on the registry as a child sex offender. 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:53.080 The sentence also promotes her from profiting off the case 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:56.880 and does not allow interviews. Also, everyone agreed that the 1:21:56.880 --> 1:21:59.679 penalty should be stiffer, but the d A. Dale Potter 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.559 said that the victim's family their interest was if we 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.439 could settle this without going to trial, that's what they preferred, 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:09.080 and we feel like this is an acceptable settlement. So 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:11.920 like maybe the sun just kept being like I loved it, 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:13.280 Like I don't know why. The parents would be like 1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:15.280 six months is fine, and then she could be on probation. 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:16.879 Strange. 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:18.439 They just didn't want to do a trial though, So 1:22:19.200 --> 1:22:21.439 she can't have contact with the boy or his family. 1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.240 So then and then her husband, Chris Turner, filed for 1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:26.000 divorce the same time she was indicted. 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:29.800 So that's pretty cool. No escape at Denmore there. 1:22:30.240 --> 1:22:33.400 So now February two thousand and six, after serving the 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:36.160 six months, she was really released, placed on this probation 1:22:36.360 --> 1:22:40.520 for the balance of the sentence. But she violated parole obviously, 1:22:40.760 --> 1:22:47.000 she obviously violated parole. Oh yeah, she sent tex videos 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.599 sexual explicit pictures to the victim who was still a minor. 1:22:49.960 --> 1:22:52.600 So she got two additional years to be served consecutive 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:56.320 to her og sentence and so and then as fast 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.000 as two thousand and eight, she was asking a parole 1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:00.880 agient like for parol again, and they're like, the next 1:23:00.880 --> 1:23:02.120 one will be twenty fourteen. 1:23:02.439 --> 1:23:04.040 They're like, you're gonna do ten years. 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:07.240 You prove in your pedophile you are blonde and hot, 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:09.400 so we let you off easy. But you're six so 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:11.920 now you're back in here. So but she didn't get away, 1:23:12.280 --> 1:23:14.600 so she got out after six months and then I 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:16.519 mean that's exactly what Mary Kayla de Renaud did. 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.200 They were like, you can't see him, and then she did, 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:19.280 and then she went back to jail. 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:22.080 Yeah, So then that was like April eleventh, two thousand 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:25.720 and six. It was violation of community corrections, convicted, and 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.160 then four twenty four, two thousand and six, violation of 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:32.160 community corrections. And then June third, twenty fifteen, she got 1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:36.559 in trouble. Take contraband into penal facility, penal, penal whatever, 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:39.600 penal code. Yeah, what that's like, sounds gross, you know 1:23:39.640 --> 1:23:43.360 what I mean? So take contrabandant to the penal facility. 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:47.479 Guilty if it makes you feel better. If it was 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:50.519 about a penis, it would be penile not penal. No, 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:53.080 I know, I don't know why I'm acting so immature, 1:23:53.320 --> 1:23:56.960 So guilty plea has charged her and then like, yeah, 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:57.839 she's on the registry. 1:23:58.000 --> 1:23:58.680 So that's that. 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:01.160 So she's out now because obviously this is from a 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:01.679 while ago. 1:24:01.760 --> 1:24:08.960 Yeah, she's on the edge. Wow, crazy, I mean, at 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:10.559 least she served the time. 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:15.960 The study on what makes women do this kind of thing? 1:24:16.160 --> 1:24:18.960 Is it like you just like the same pedophile stuff. 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:22.719 No, I think I don't know. When it's like these 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:25.599 teens though, it's like I think that they're seeing these 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:28.920 boys as like young men, you know or whatever, and 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.320 I think they just want someone they can like control, 1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:35.720 you know, yeah, like they you know, it's like they 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:37.960 could be having relationships with people their own age, but 1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:40.920 they're maybe they're like, I don't know, it's great, it's 1:24:40.920 --> 1:24:44.440 so anyway I mean I'm talking about is like specifically 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:47.679 also with like this woman or Mary Kayla Tourneau, where 1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:50.920 they never did it with another person. It's not like 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.320 they're a pedophile that's compulsive, do you know what I mean? 1:24:53.640 --> 1:24:56.720 They just this one kid they just really had it 1:24:56.760 --> 1:25:00.479 bad for. They're still pedophiles, but they're not like committing Yeah, 1:25:00.479 --> 1:25:03.000 you're right, I'm yeah, we taught there was this we 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.920 covered like a person saying that I remember where it's like, yeah, 1:25:07.120 --> 1:25:09.080 even when the women do it, it's usually like one 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:10.760 long lasting relationship. 1:25:10.800 --> 1:25:12.040 It's not like it's not. 1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:17.080 Like people collecting child sex abuse images and this is 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:23.519 like my whole like you know, sexual like interest. But damn, 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:29.559 thank you for telling us these stories. And we've got 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:40.400 an interview coming up, so don't go anywhere, everybody. Today's 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:43.120 guest is an actor who is best known for her 1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:46.640 roles on shows like twenty four, Flight of the Concords, Goliath, 1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:50.200 and being the very first face on the show Sex 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:54.160 of the City. But you know her best as devious 1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:59.160 pedophile and mother doctor Nicole Keller please everybody enjoy our 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:01.400 convo with the wonderful Sarah Winter. 1:26:02.360 --> 1:26:06.800 Oh my god, I'm so excited to do this. I 1:26:06.840 --> 1:26:13.000 don't remember anything perfects. We remember so much about this 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:17.519 that's amazing. Oh my god, you're gonna hear it. 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:18.960 Oh no, I can't wait. 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:23.080 Because I just was obviously like stalking you a little 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:25.439 bit on your social media and saw that you did 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:30.040 the Sex and the City the Charlotte podcast. Yeah, you know, 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:31.880 from Davis, And I was like, oh, she's a good 1:26:31.880 --> 1:26:34.439 podcast guest, like she know, she gets it, she knows 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:35.240 the podcasts. 1:26:35.400 --> 1:26:37.759 Okay, So I did that because I was her first 1:26:37.800 --> 1:26:42.320 guest on her poka, because I was the first person 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:44.559 in Sex and the City, like the very first person. 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:45.840 Oh my god, that's you. 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:50.280 Yes, and the r Gallery and it's raining, Oh my god. 1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:51.160 Yes. 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:54.320 And so a cousin of mine about I don't know 1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:57.400 ten years ago, said, Sarah, did you know I grew 1:26:57.479 --> 1:27:00.760 up in Australia? Clearly because now I'm doing She said, 1:27:00.800 --> 1:27:03.400 you were the first person to have sex on Sex 1:27:03.439 --> 1:27:08.559 in the City, and so that no matter what I do, 1:27:08.760 --> 1:27:11.400 I'm going to have that, Like if I never work again, 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:12.200 I'm going to have that. 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:14.439 And then I did this episode of Yeah, and we're 1:27:14.479 --> 1:27:19.679 both Cities fans, but Lisa is like a massive, massive sex. 1:27:19.800 --> 1:27:22.880 Oh my god, you should be on her podcast. I 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.400 mean I would die, I actually, and she should do yours. 1:27:25.520 --> 1:27:30.080 Let's well, she's my Miranda Paint. 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:32.720 Oh my god, that's Miranda. Oh my god, what a 1:27:32.800 --> 1:27:33.559 gorgeous did. 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:33.960 You do that? 1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:34.960 No? 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.840 I got just blacked out one night and won an 1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:41.160 online auction, and so that's. 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:42.679 The best auction. 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:46.160 I come into our lives in a myriad ways, you know, 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:48.639 like how did this part come about? 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:49.879 They sent you the scrap. 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:54.880 It was an offer, which was so kind of I mean, 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:59.640 I've done you know, plenty of like serious regular television 1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:02.680 and films, but I was i'd had my kids. I 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:04.960 really pulled back a lot. They were a lot younger 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:09.160 because this was twenty and seventeen. Think we shut it in. 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.400 I wrote this down, we filmed it in sixteen, it 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:18.080 came out in seventeen, and I yeah, it was an offer, 1:28:18.120 --> 1:28:23.360 which usually at this point means someone dropped out. They 1:28:23.400 --> 1:28:25.880 were just really looking for me and wanting me. And 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:29.479 I'd never done I'd never done a law in order, period, 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.800 and it's such a rite of passage for you know, 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:36.120 as you know a lot of Broadway actors and New 1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:41.759 York actors, and I felt weirdly left out, like tradition. 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:44.960 And so when it came up and it was an offer, 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:46.400 I was like, are you kidding me? 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:46.760 Yeah? 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:49.360 Done, done? I want to I want to do it 1:28:49.760 --> 1:28:51.760 just so I can say I've done it. And then 1:28:51.800 --> 1:28:58.640 I learned that it was the four hundredth episode of 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:03.800 the entire series. Marishka not only stars in it and produces, 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:08.240 she was going to direct. So it had all these 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:12.360 incredible elements. And then the character I mean, we'll talk 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:18.280 about the character that was that was yeah, I mean 1:29:18.280 --> 1:29:19.880 what was I going to say? No? No? It was 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:24.040 like a gift, right, And I was nervous because it's 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:27.280 such a you know, iconic show, and at that point 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:30.240 it had been on for I wrote this down eighteen 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:33.240 years already, and that was almost ten years ago. I 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:34.599 don't even know what episode they're. 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:36.960 Up there on season twenty seven and now, so. 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.800 I don't even know the seas ago or that was 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:43.760 ten nine seasons ago, nine seasons ago, like they're going 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:45.760 to start season twenty eight in the fall. 1:29:47.000 --> 1:29:50.599 It's just incredible, Ye to have that it's a thing 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:52.800 and that it's it's been such a big part of 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:55.920 so many lives for so long. And Mariushka, I mean, 1:29:56.800 --> 1:30:00.519 just wow, what a powerhouse. And I stayed friends with her. 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:02.920 We actually have a very good friend in common, and 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.280 I saw her last year at the lunch we had 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:10.000 for our friend. And you know, when you know someone 1:30:10.000 --> 1:30:12.240 a bit personally, but you've worked with them a long 1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:15.000 time ago, and you never expect, especially someone to remember 1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:17.680 you or you know, she's done just how many like 1:30:18.720 --> 1:30:21.880 a thousand now, I mean, what how many episodes? It's 1:30:21.920 --> 1:30:26.160 just and so many actors, so many actors have repeated characters, so. 1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:30.599 Uh, and you're like, this part is like really Like 1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:33.080 when I was rewatching it, I was like, you're in 1:30:33.200 --> 1:30:35.800 like almost every single scene. Like there's a lot of 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:38.559 big guest roles where they don't come on until they 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:41.439 become like the suspect halfway through, you know, and then 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:43.240 they get a good second half of the episode. But 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:46.720 you're like from the opening, the call open through the end, 1:30:46.840 --> 1:30:47.720 you're all over it. 1:30:47.840 --> 1:30:51.960 So yeah, it was intense and it was hard. You know. 1:30:52.560 --> 1:30:54.439 Sometimes I've been a guest on a lot of New 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:58.320 York shows and I've done. I've been a series regular shows, 1:30:58.400 --> 1:31:02.040 I've been in films. It's a very unique thing to 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:05.720 step onto someone else's set and as a guest, and 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:09.679 a lot of shows you expect it's a well oiled machine, 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:15.599 especially like procedural type dramas, And you know, I had 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:16.920 that sort of in the back of my head, like oh, 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:19.479 it's been on forever, and not that you would ever 1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:21.960 phone it in, but just that thing of like there's 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:24.240 a formula and it's been around forever, and there's going 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:29.840 to be a certain dance that they all know the 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:32.639 choreography too, and you step in and you just kind 1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:38.440 of do your job. What I didn't expect was Marishka's 1:31:38.960 --> 1:31:46.560 intense passion and heart and how seriously she took it, 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:53.240 Like really, I was quite blown away with that. Oh 1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:54.559 you know what I was going to say. I ran 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:57.840 into her at lunch. Oh yeah, last year and I 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:00.000 was like, do you remember that I did that episode? 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:01.840 Like and it was And she looked at me and 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:07.720 she was like, Sarah, you saved me. What do you 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:11.600 mean do I remember? And I couldn't. I was stunned, 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:14.400 And I don't know if it was the four hundredth episode. 1:32:14.520 --> 1:32:17.120 It was well, no, no, I don't know if that's 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:20.800 what she was remembering, you know that it was the 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:24.080 significant and also Dick Wolf came and Dick Wolf they 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:27.720 had like a cake one day, and he's revered. I 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:31.960 mean it's like there's Gandhi and there's Nelson Mandela and 1:32:32.000 --> 1:32:34.439 then there's Dick Wolf of the you know, and they 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:37.400 were all sort of like he was coming into town, 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.600 like getting off his I think he lives on some 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:42.439 island off a Malibu or something. That's how they were, 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:46.559 you know, like God was going to show up and 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:49.400 I don't. And it got a lot of For whatever reason, 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:52.080 I was thrilled and that she remembered me and she 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:53.439 remembered details about it. 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:56.640 And when she said, like you saved me, was she 1:32:56.880 --> 1:32:59.960 like because she had maybe just started directing episodes or 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:00.640 something to. 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:04.200 Remember I think I was just on cloud nine as 1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:08.040 a human and an actor that that she had such 1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:12.120 a recall, Uh, you know for this show that has 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:14.080 been going on for so long and that has that 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:16.680 thing where there's the beginning and there's the victim and 1:33:16.720 --> 1:33:20.120 then you find out what happens, and maybe you know, 1:33:20.600 --> 1:33:25.240 for a woman to be the to be the the perpetrator. 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:28.439 That the what's the word I'm looking for? The you know, 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:33.679 when you go after it became the predator starting out 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:39.320 as the victim. Uh that was maybe what she remembered, 1:33:39.360 --> 1:33:43.599 or maybe I was just fucking fantastic. I was fan 1:33:43.880 --> 1:33:46.559 fucking I was so fucking good. I think I lost 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:50.840 play dates. I lost playdates, Oh my god. Only not 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:56.680 only did it was I a predator of children. I 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:59.320 threw my own son under the bus. And you know, 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:02.960 when this, when this came out, I had mom friends, 1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:05.680 one in particular, who was like, how could you have 1:34:05.720 --> 1:34:10.560 played that? Stop? How could you have played that part? 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:14.040 And I was kind of like did one of those like, well, 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:18.400 what I should have said is like I was fucking acting. Yeah, job, 1:34:18.840 --> 1:34:21.639 it was. It was like I was playing. I also 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:23.719 played assassins and drug adds. 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:27.479 Right, and somebody who does something so bad to their 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:30.160 mother and to or to their own child and to 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:31.200 other children. 1:34:31.400 --> 1:34:34.840 Yeah, it's it's it hits very different from it. Look, 1:34:35.840 --> 1:34:39.680 we all, you know, are dealing with life and you 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:41.920 know where where where things go. 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:46.840 Yes, but actors play Nazis and dictators and yes, psychopaths 1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:49.360 every day, Like you have to do that also. 1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:54.040 Like leaders and yeah, princesses and believe it, I'm not. 1:34:54.360 --> 1:34:59.120 I'm not those things either. But it was interesting. And 1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:05.720 the other thing it was, wow, quite something was the 1:35:05.800 --> 1:35:09.679 last day of filming, we did the can we say rape? 1:35:10.200 --> 1:35:12.400 Yeah? 1:35:10.520 --> 1:35:15.360 Yeah, okay? And and when someone dies, are they undead 1:35:15.560 --> 1:35:17.400 or were they. 1:35:16.720 --> 1:35:19.280 This is just this isn't TikTok. You could just say whatever. 1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:21.599 You want, okay, because I don't want to be canceled 1:35:21.680 --> 1:35:27.120 last day. Uh So we filmed that on the last 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:31.160 day of my uh of the of the episode was 1:35:31.200 --> 1:35:36.280 the beginning the rap. We're in the Brownstone and I 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:39.639 showed up to work and this happened to be it's 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.760 very early where trailers are on the street because it 1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:44.400 was the location. We were out of the studio at 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:49.080 that point. And the night before the guy in the 1:35:49.080 --> 1:35:52.400 White House right now, oh god, it was the daft 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:57.240 of the election, and you can imagine showing up to 1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:03.559 that set a show that is about sexual assault, sexual 1:36:03.600 --> 1:36:08.160 assault victims survivors. Rishka had started her Joyful how Heart 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:14.400 Foundation years before then, twenty sixteen, and it was a 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:19.360 dark dark day for New York for I mean, you know, 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:24.880 I remember, and we were all in shock. You know, 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:29.679 it was just sort of like what I know, we're 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:32.400 going to wake up from this. It was a joke, like, no, 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:36.679 she's one. I remember going into the makeup trailer, Kelly 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:40.960 Giddish was crying with the hair and makeup department and 1:36:41.080 --> 1:36:46.240 Marishka as the star of the show, as the executive 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:52.080 producer and the director had to rally us to get 1:36:52.120 --> 1:36:55.679 through the day. And I don't know how she did 1:36:55.720 --> 1:37:00.840 it because it was heavy, heavy stuff, and she did 1:37:01.920 --> 1:37:04.879 and it took a lot out of her. I'm sure 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:10.400 you know the uh pussy grabber in chief that was 1:37:10.479 --> 1:37:14.960 now that Yeah, and it's again, uh and here we 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:19.920 are about to shoot someone being raped. She was ending 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:25.120 the rape Kid backlog going to Washington. Uh. 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:26.120 It was. 1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:29.640 It was a lot, uh and maybe that's why it 1:37:29.680 --> 1:37:32.200 was memorable for her. It certainly see it in my 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:36.160 brain as a as a watershed moment. I don't know 1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:41.599 if that's uh the word, but yeah, it was. It was. 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:42.960 Uh that was heavy. 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:45.880 Yeah, it's definitely like uh, I mean, I remember I 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:49.439 was in an acting class in LA when everybody was crying, 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:51.400 Like everyone was like, it's a. 1:37:51.320 --> 1:37:54.240 Where you can remember kind of where you were moment. 1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:58.000 But yeah, like, I don't know how you get everybody 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:01.120 back on track to like do their best work. 1:38:01.160 --> 1:38:02.559 And I'm sure if anyone can do it. 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:08.479 It's Marishka wondering when you're playing her, like does she 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:10.360 believe it what she's saying? 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:13.120 Well, that's she lying, Like. 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:17.519 What is That's a good question. So I it was hard. 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:22.760 And another moment I had on set was when we 1:38:22.800 --> 1:38:26.920 got to the courtroom stuff, when I'd been arrested and 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:29.320 the case was happening and my son was in the 1:38:30.680 --> 1:38:34.000 you know what are they called the you know, the chairs, 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:36.960 the pews where people sitting court, the galley, you know, 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:42.320 thank you, the galley. Uh is in the I want 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:44.320 to say audience, like it's a theater. And it was 1:38:44.360 --> 1:38:51.160 because I'm an actor and uh. Delaney Williams played Buchan. 1:38:52.200 --> 1:38:54.519 Yeah, we've had a pot. 1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:57.639 I became we became friends from this and we follow 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:01.639 each other on social He was like my work crush. 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:04.320 I just loved we were his first podcast. 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.840 Oh really, he's funny, he's awesome. I just adore him. 1:39:08.960 --> 1:39:14.360 And Jenniston was the judge and we sort of, you know, 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:17.040 hit it off, and we follow each other now and 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:21.120 I remember, yeah, I'm sitting there trying to get into 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:25.800 a character. And I was kind of mid midway through 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:28.920 the or a little earlier, and I knew I had 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:32.360 a lot to get through, right because it's I'm on 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:35.960 the stand, I get cross examined and side examined and 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:39.320 you know all the rest of it. And Marisha came 1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:41.080 over and she said, thanks for learning your lines. You know, 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.680 great keV. Good weekend. And I said, yeah, yeah, it 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.120 was great. I said, you know, it's just it's so weird, 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:51.560 you know, playing this character. She's just she's so awful, 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:55.479 and you know, she's just like, how could someone do that? 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:59.200 And she looked at me, dead in the eyes, and 1:39:59.240 --> 1:40:00.800 I don't know where my CA memories because I kind 1:40:00.800 --> 1:40:05.679 of isn't that green light? She said, Sarah, you cannot 1:40:05.880 --> 1:40:08.679 judge your character. If you judge your character, you're dead. 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:11.160 You're dead. And I'll never forget she did that. She's like, 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:15.640 you're dead, You're dead. And I was like, I was 1:40:15.680 --> 1:40:18.800 scared of her. I was actually really scared of the 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:24.599 way she said it. And I realized that if I 1:40:24.640 --> 1:40:28.120 do judge my character, she said, you think you think 1:40:28.280 --> 1:40:31.839 everything you're doing is right, You think you are helping 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:36.479 these people. You believe you are that diabolical and I 1:40:36.560 --> 1:40:39.360 realize I have to actually do a really good job 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:41.960 now and it's going to hurt. And it hurt, like 1:40:42.080 --> 1:40:43.800 when she said that, it like, and the rest of 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:45.680 the day hurt. And as an actor, you want to 1:40:45.720 --> 1:40:50.200 feel uncomfortable because that's where you know you do a 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:56.880 good job. And I was really really uncomfortable and it 1:40:56.960 --> 1:41:00.920 was really hard and I have a really hard time 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:05.600 on that day. But she required a performance that she 1:41:05.880 --> 1:41:11.680 had that she deserved as the actress, producer, director, and 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:17.880 she had earned that from all her actors, and it 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:23.040 was very for me as an actor to have that 1:41:23.600 --> 1:41:26.519 like like that. You just I just I never forgot it. 1:41:26.560 --> 1:41:29.200 And I've worked with great directors and but that was 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:34.120 something I'll never forget that If I judge my character dead, 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:34.840 you're dead. 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:35.439 Yeah. 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:38.240 You also had a really cool back and forth with Marishka, 1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:40.000 and you have this line read where you're like, don't 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:41.479 you presume what's good? 1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:42.719 Like you guys had such. 1:41:42.520 --> 1:41:45.080 A fun my son. 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.240 Yeah, it is some fun scenes. 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:55.400 The spot with her is an actor's dream and and 1:41:55.439 --> 1:42:01.280 it's scary, you know, it's I'm not done scary things uh, I, 1:42:01.360 --> 1:42:03.920 you know, worked with a lot of scary people, frankly 1:42:04.920 --> 1:42:09.080 on an off camera, and it's you really feel I 1:42:09.080 --> 1:42:12.400 remember being exhausted. I do remember that, and I was 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:14.240 ten years younger than I am now and I just 1:42:14.360 --> 1:42:19.479 at the end of those days just ough being absolutely spent. 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.160 So there's stuff that happened during the rape scene that 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:25.479 I want to recall. And there's also stuff that we 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:30.360 had a screening after the Muska hosted at the what's 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:32.280 the hotel that has the screening room. It's not the 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:35.800 Crosby Street Hotel. It's the whole house has a screening room, 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:39.160 not soho house. It's is that the Crosby Street Hotel? Anyway, 1:42:39.200 --> 1:42:42.599 That's where it was, and a whole lot of it 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:44.599 was small. It was intimates of the cast and crew, 1:42:44.680 --> 1:42:47.439 and they did a thing for four hundred anniversary. I 1:42:47.520 --> 1:42:53.000 got these pictures because I'm in the poster, and and 1:42:53.040 --> 1:42:55.080 that was really nice. And she got up and taught, 1:42:55.560 --> 1:43:00.600 you know, sort of did a welcome speech, and it 1:43:00.680 --> 1:43:04.200 was very passionate, and there were tears and it was like, 1:43:05.080 --> 1:43:09.360 you think she'd be so tired by now, really tired. 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:11.960 I mean, you know what, she doesn't need the money. 1:43:12.120 --> 1:43:18.480 She doesn't need the she we need her, and she 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:20.760 she kind of and again this was ten years ago, 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:24.960 but this was a four hundredth episode. She has so 1:43:25.120 --> 1:43:32.880 much passion for victims and storytelling and New York and. 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:33.560 An actors love actors. 1:43:33.960 --> 1:43:38.040 She loves actors. And so she's, you know, started to 1:43:38.080 --> 1:43:39.920 talk and there was a glitch in the in the 1:43:40.920 --> 1:43:44.720 getting the show started on the projector or whatever, and 1:43:44.800 --> 1:43:47.200 so she just started talking more and more and then 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:48.640 she's like, and here we are, and we just like 1:43:48.680 --> 1:43:50.400 we've been doing this long, but we just keep going 1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:52.400 and we just keep going and going, and we just 1:43:52.520 --> 1:43:54.720 we just keep going. And I remember saying, and then 1:43:54.720 --> 1:43:56.559 we just and now I'm going to just keep going 1:43:56.600 --> 1:43:59.360 and going. And then it started dud and then we 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:01.320 all sat down and watched it. But it was so 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:04.519 joyful and I felt like I was a part of 1:44:05.040 --> 1:44:08.679 an incredible moment in celebration for the show and the 1:44:08.680 --> 1:44:13.400 franchise and the and uh and for her, you know, joyful, 1:44:13.560 --> 1:44:16.439 joyful heart. I don't even know if she's still doing it. 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:19.360 She does, I mean, she actually has this project called 1:44:19.360 --> 1:44:23.280 and the Backlog that just got back. Rape Kit legislation 1:44:23.400 --> 1:44:27.599 passed in all fifty states recently she had remembered. So 1:44:27.640 --> 1:44:30.240 she's literally like, I don't know if there's like another 1:44:31.120 --> 1:44:34.360 actor that's like besides just throwing money at stuff, that's 1:44:34.360 --> 1:44:37.080 like doing stuff as actively as she is. 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:39.080 You know, she shows up. 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:44.479 Yeah, how was being on twenty four? Tell us about 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:46.040 the show you were on? 1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:48.240 It was? 1:44:48.760 --> 1:44:50.200 It was. It was a sensation. 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:54.320 It was a sensation. It changed the world. 1:44:55.760 --> 1:44:56.080 It was. 1:44:56.280 --> 1:45:00.400 It was so because everything's old as new again. I'm 1:45:00.439 --> 1:45:03.400 really appreciating like being on a show like that and 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:08.799 how groundbreaking I guess it was. And people started binging 1:45:08.840 --> 1:45:11.160 it like with their kids during COVID. It was one 1:45:11.200 --> 1:45:14.040 of those shows that you know, they were reliving, you know, 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:16.320 this show twenty four. And I had friends that we like, 1:45:16.360 --> 1:45:18.599 you were on twenty four? How come you never mentioned that? 1:45:20.160 --> 1:45:22.280 And we just had the last year. I want to say, oh, 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:26.200 we had the twentieth twenty fourths, No, I think it 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:29.360 was the twenty fourth. That's what made it significant anniversary. 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:33.200 And we did these like this podcast party for not 1:45:33.240 --> 1:45:35.439 a podcast party, you know, something like this where they 1:45:35.640 --> 1:45:39.519 there's a charity and there were all these different what 1:45:39.520 --> 1:45:43.680 do you call it? I'm so fifty five years old time. No, 1:45:43.840 --> 1:45:47.760 but it was all remote, so just like, yeah, and 1:45:47.880 --> 1:45:51.720 Keifer did it, and the creators and you know, they 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:54.559 had us all on and different, you know, we'd peel 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:58.000 off with different directors and different and it was amazing. 1:45:58.040 --> 1:46:00.000 And Annie was Washing was on it, and I remember 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:03.000 I did a talk with her and she passed away 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:04.840 a couple of years ago, and she was one of 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:09.160 Jack's you know, red hair big you know, love interests, 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:12.599 and and I just fangled so hard on her because 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:15.439 I just think she was such an incredible actress and 1:46:15.479 --> 1:46:19.080 such a great beauty. So uh so it was it 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:23.240 was interesting, and we raised money for a company that 1:46:23.280 --> 1:46:29.559 does cleft palette surgeries for children. Uh and and yeah, 1:46:29.600 --> 1:46:31.040 it was great. It was great being on a show 1:46:31.080 --> 1:46:34.040 like that. It's uh, it's now, it's kind of cool, 1:46:34.160 --> 1:46:36.720 you know. To at the time, it was just a 1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:39.679 lot of work. People didn't like me on that show, 1:46:39.800 --> 1:46:42.080 like the fans did not like me. And I don't 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:45.280 remember why. I think, oh, because the wife had died. 1:46:45.600 --> 1:46:48.880 Key first, Jack Bower's wife had died the year before 1:46:48.960 --> 1:46:51.280 the season before, like in the last episode, and I 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:54.639 came in the first episode of the new season, poised 1:46:54.680 --> 1:46:56.120 to be the new love interest. 1:46:55.960 --> 1:46:57.519 And it's too soon. 1:46:58.280 --> 1:47:01.320 Even though time has part, it's just the new day. 1:47:01.360 --> 1:47:03.400 And within twenty four hours they wanted me and kay 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:07.840 Ford to meet. He rescues me, I rescue him, I 1:47:07.840 --> 1:47:10.880 get kidnapped, We fall in love. I save his life, 1:47:11.040 --> 1:47:13.880 he saves mine, and like in a day, come on. 1:47:14.120 --> 1:47:18.840 Like it was a stretch, So I totally understood. And 1:47:18.880 --> 1:47:22.280 the Leslie who played his wife, who's become a fantastic, 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:26.840 brilliant director. People loved her so so it was my 1:47:26.920 --> 1:47:31.639 first experience hearing secondhand that, yeah, the fans don't like you. 1:47:32.800 --> 1:47:35.040 Well, I read your article in Vanity Fair that you 1:47:35.080 --> 1:47:39.519 wrote a couple of years ago about postpartum psychosis. I 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:42.800 thought it was really wonderful that you wrote something like that, 1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:45.400 and that is such a common thing that I think 1:47:45.479 --> 1:47:48.120 people don't talk about at all. Like I had a 1:47:48.160 --> 1:47:50.800 friend who had what we thought was postpartum anxiety. But 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:54.000 it describes exactly what you were talking about that and 1:47:54.040 --> 1:47:55.880 I was like, oh, nobody talks about that. They just 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:59.879 talk about postpartum depression. But that it looks very different 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:01.200 from this, you. 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:04.760 Know it there's like levels of And I had to 1:48:04.840 --> 1:48:07.559 learn this because I didn't you know, I didn't realize 1:48:07.760 --> 1:48:12.160 I had postpartum depression because I didn't The idea is 1:48:12.200 --> 1:48:14.519 that if you have postpartum you want to kill your babies, 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:16.160 and that's what I thought. It was like, if you 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:18.840 have postpartum depression you want to harm your child or 1:48:18.840 --> 1:48:21.160 you don't want to be near it. You're just like yeah, 1:48:21.800 --> 1:48:24.320 Like I couldn't get enough of them. I was so worried, 1:48:24.479 --> 1:48:26.000 you know, I pushed out these twins that were in 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:29.720 the NICU, and I learned way after the fact that 1:48:29.760 --> 1:48:35.760 there's baby blues, there's postpartum depression, and then there's postpartum 1:48:35.840 --> 1:48:39.679 with psychosis. And that's what I had, like the worst kind. 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:43.080 I was hospitalized and then I sort of years later, 1:48:43.120 --> 1:48:45.040 I wrote this letter like a love letter to my 1:48:45.040 --> 1:48:49.080 girlfriend's about their support of me, and one of them 1:48:49.320 --> 1:48:53.599 is a movie producer and she's like, this is a movie. 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:55.120 I'm like, oh, I don't want to make a movie 1:48:55.120 --> 1:49:01.080 about this. I've I lived it, and that sort of 1:49:01.080 --> 1:49:05.559 became I became an unofficial advocate for But. 1:49:05.479 --> 1:49:07.639 It's become a movie right with Amanda? 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:10.599 Well, yes, it's that's where it gets confusing. It's not 1:49:10.800 --> 1:49:13.320 I executive produced that movie with my friend. It's a 1:49:13.360 --> 1:49:17.479 story about a woman with postpartum it's not my story. 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:21.839 And what got confusing was my girlfriend, Selene Ratre's a 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:28.719 award nominated, winning she works with Chudy Styler and Maven Pictures, 1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:31.160 and she when she read my piece, she said this 1:49:31.200 --> 1:49:32.439 has to be a movie. And I said, I can't 1:49:32.439 --> 1:49:34.519 do a movie. And she said, well, I'm going to 1:49:34.600 --> 1:49:38.400 find a story about postpartum depression. And so she found 1:49:38.439 --> 1:49:45.360 this script by Amy Oh bloody hell, it'll come to me, 1:49:45.920 --> 1:49:49.120 and that became the movie starring Amanda Seyfried. But because 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:51.040 then I'd written this article and it came out in 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:53.120 Vanity Fair not after, not long after the movie had 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:56.800 come out, people thought, oh, that's my story. And Amanda dies, 1:49:57.000 --> 1:49:59.040 like her character dies, and it's definitely not my story. 1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:05.120 It like a really bad cautionary tale. Mine. I'm alive. 1:50:05.240 --> 1:50:06.439 I didn't die, thank God. 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:09.200 A mouthful of air is what this was. A mouthful 1:50:09.240 --> 1:50:09.519 of air. 1:50:09.680 --> 1:50:15.560 It's a beautiful, beautiful a writer director Amy Koppleman, who's fantastic, 1:50:15.600 --> 1:50:18.760 And we became close way after the movie because I 1:50:18.800 --> 1:50:19.240 when I was. 1:50:19.200 --> 1:50:22.160 Doing press for this, you know this article I'd written 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:23.719 and it got a lot of attention, and my ego 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:26.360 was huge because I'd never written anything before and it 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:29.600 got it got published by Vanity Fair magazine, and I like, 1:50:30.760 --> 1:50:32.639 it's a dream. I was on the cover of Vanity 1:50:32.640 --> 1:50:36.920 Fair magazine like twenty years before, in the Young Hollywood issue, 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:38.800 and that was the big moment in my life. I 1:50:38.800 --> 1:50:41.680 didn't think I'd be like written up in it that 1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:45.960 I'd written all those years later. It was like, like, 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:49.240 I'm looking up let's cover. I want to see it. 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:54.120 Oh my god, Well I'm in the gatefold apparently. 1:50:54.720 --> 1:50:58.920 The same everyone's opening it. Everyone's I don't want this one. 1:50:59.360 --> 1:51:02.479 It's It was in two thousand, two thousand, two thousand. 1:51:03.439 --> 1:51:07.960 It was so it was it was Mina Savari, it was, uh, 1:51:08.760 --> 1:51:13.280 who's the Spanish actress. She's a Penelope Cruise, Mina Safari. Uh, 1:51:13.840 --> 1:51:16.799 it was Annielibavit shot at We're on a Green Lawn. 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:19.080 It was like splendor and it was the year two thousand. 1:51:20.680 --> 1:51:22.120 Oh my god, you look so good. 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:27.000 Oh Paul Walker, Selma Blair walking exact crime. 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:30.160 Yeah, it was. It was so much fun. I mean, 1:51:30.200 --> 1:51:31.080 I couldn't believe it. 1:51:31.160 --> 1:51:34.040 And then for people or is everyone just flirty? Was 1:51:34.040 --> 1:51:37.440 it a flirty time, flirty fun the young hollywoods. 1:51:37.880 --> 1:51:41.120 I was kind of was I like twenties in two thousand? 1:51:41.240 --> 1:51:44.120 I was okay, so I was thirty. It wasn't like 1:51:44.280 --> 1:51:46.599 you know, and I was in a relationship. I wasn't flirting. 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:50.200 I was just very excited to you know, be there. 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:53.120 And even though we all lived in LA they wanted 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:55.200 to do this thing in Miami Beach. That was we 1:51:55.280 --> 1:51:56.800 ended up on a green lawn we could have done 1:51:56.800 --> 1:52:01.559 in like Studio Citio, so truly and everyone flew it. 1:52:01.640 --> 1:52:03.400 But it was kind of like a full circle, like 1:52:03.439 --> 1:52:10.240 being doing that and then the article coming out and wow, yeah, 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:12.479 and it opened up a big conversation for me with 1:52:12.560 --> 1:52:15.479 other people who were like me too, I had it, 1:52:15.560 --> 1:52:17.040 or you know, my neighbor had it, or my sister 1:52:17.080 --> 1:52:17.559 had It's. 1:52:17.720 --> 1:52:20.800 It's great because like a lot of people, I think, 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:22.960 you know, I've had kids pretty recently. 1:52:23.000 --> 1:52:24.519 I have a five, and a four and a seven 1:52:24.520 --> 1:52:25.280 almost five. 1:52:25.360 --> 1:52:28.160 And like they ask you these they give you these 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:30.519 at the pediatrician. They give you these forms that are like, 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:33.160 are you having any bad thoughts or whatever? And it's 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:37.040 very like generic. And I've had a lot of friends 1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:39.559 that are like, I had no idea. I was really 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:42.080 really like I had really bad postpartum. I was like, 1:52:42.360 --> 1:52:44.559 did do you happen to get take those surveys at 1:52:44.560 --> 1:52:46.599 the doctor? They're like they were so they were so 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:48.840 vague that I was like, this doesn't really hit on 1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:49.720 specifically what. 1:52:49.720 --> 1:52:52.360 I'm thinking, which is that I need. 1:52:52.240 --> 1:52:54.160 To watch my baby sleep all night or they won't 1:52:54.320 --> 1:52:56.960 they'll stop breathing. You know, like that doesn't necessarily they 1:52:56.960 --> 1:52:59.000 don't ask that question on the survey, and so you 1:52:59.040 --> 1:53:01.600 don't know. And so I think there's just like a 1:53:01.640 --> 1:53:03.559 lot of and you don't really go back to your 1:53:03.560 --> 1:53:06.280 OBG y n so there's not a lot of postpartum 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:09.240 unless you have complications or whatever. You you don't really 1:53:09.280 --> 1:53:11.920 go back until your next annual, right, So. 1:53:12.200 --> 1:53:16.559 What, No, it's it's so that's why it's so often missed. 1:53:16.840 --> 1:53:17.200 Yeah. 1:53:17.320 --> 1:53:21.439 I remember I went to my O BG y n 1:53:22.160 --> 1:53:24.920 H for an appointment like to it was maybe two 1:53:24.920 --> 1:53:27.640 weeks a week whatever it was, and I and I 1:53:27.640 --> 1:53:29.559 remember looking him in the eye and I said, he said, 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:32.679 how are you doing? I said, I'm not okay. I'm 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:37.160 not okay. I can't drive, I don't know how to 1:53:38.320 --> 1:53:40.880 I think I'm really not okay. And he handed me 1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:44.439 this pamphlet. He said, here's some reading material of like 1:53:44.479 --> 1:53:47.280 who to Call? And I looked at it and I 1:53:47.320 --> 1:53:49.519 couldn't It might as well have been written in Russian. 1:53:50.520 --> 1:53:52.960 I And then I walked out and I went to 1:53:53.000 --> 1:53:57.479 the receptionist and I said, I just saw the doctor 1:53:57.520 --> 1:54:00.920 and I just I'm I'm not okay. I think I'm 1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:04.759 really not okay. And she said, oh, he just talks 1:54:04.760 --> 1:54:07.280 to people like that. And so I kind of felt 1:54:07.280 --> 1:54:09.600 like I was failed twice. Yeah, in my opinion, you know, 1:54:09.920 --> 1:54:14.040 And granted this was twenty fifteen, but still like I 1:54:14.120 --> 1:54:18.160 as a new mom to a doctor. Yeah, and this 1:54:18.240 --> 1:54:21.280 is New York City. These are the finest doctors in 1:54:21.320 --> 1:54:26.840 the world, New York Presbyterian. It shocks me that they 1:54:26.920 --> 1:54:32.200 let me leave the office without calling somebody. And so 1:54:32.280 --> 1:54:34.200 it took some of my friends, you know, who saw 1:54:34.240 --> 1:54:37.040 me rapidly get worse and worse and worse, like to 1:54:37.800 --> 1:54:39.920 have an intervention and say, we think you need help, 1:54:39.920 --> 1:54:41.040 and I was like, no, I don't. I don't want 1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:45.480 to kill my babies, and you know, blah blah blaha, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA. 1:54:46.440 --> 1:54:49.720 I'm obviously I recovered, and it's a depression you can 1:54:49.800 --> 1:54:54.280 recover from that. It's yeah, if I can do anything 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:56.760 to bring more attention to it, I will, well, you know, 1:54:57.080 --> 1:54:59.560 oh god, okay, so what time is it? Two twenty four? 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:02.440 It's a sick so I better go. Yeah, thank you 1:55:02.520 --> 1:55:03.520 so much. 1:55:03.200 --> 1:55:04.160 Thank you, Sarah. 1:55:04.200 --> 1:55:06.760 I don't I don't just play a mom a bad moment. 1:55:06.920 --> 1:55:15.560 I have been in real life. Oh man, she was fun. 1:55:15.800 --> 1:55:18.600 She was great, and I can't believe I didn't clock 1:55:18.720 --> 1:55:20.080 the sex and the city of it all. 1:55:20.240 --> 1:55:22.200 And like the fact that we got to talk to her. 1:55:22.280 --> 1:55:24.840 To me, I'll hold dear in my heart for years 1:55:24.880 --> 1:55:27.560 to come. And she sent us all these behind the 1:55:27.600 --> 1:55:31.840 scenes photos from that she was read. We will post 1:55:31.880 --> 1:55:34.080 those on our insta. So, and I love that you 1:55:34.080 --> 1:55:34.440 were worried. 1:55:34.480 --> 1:55:34.880 At first. 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:37.160 I loved her being like and I remember nothing, and 1:55:37.160 --> 1:55:39.000 you were like, well, great, and then she went except 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:42.120 I remember every detail from this. I was like the greatest, 1:55:42.680 --> 1:55:45.840 the greatest gift, Like, yeah, I just love that she 1:55:46.040 --> 1:55:51.440 was to me secret Australian and that she has had 1:55:51.520 --> 1:55:54.120 such like a varied career and then she had this 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:58.280 like great experience and obviously really connected with Marishka and 1:55:58.320 --> 1:56:01.560 everybody at SVU, And I thought she played a very 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:06.720 good narcissist psycho and it's. 1:56:06.680 --> 1:56:08.760 Just like the depths of darkness. 1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:11.280 But obviously we knew she was dark because she was 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:16.040 willing to let her son shoot his best friend for 1:56:16.160 --> 1:56:19.080 the fair, not to get out and her crimes, So 1:56:19.280 --> 1:56:21.600 it's not as shocking that then she would tell everyone 1:56:21.640 --> 1:56:22.560 that her son. 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:25.640 Was jerking off to it and stuff. 1:56:26.160 --> 1:56:28.280 Yeah, but I mean, it is wild that there are 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:29.920 people like that around. 1:56:30.560 --> 1:56:32.760 I'm sure she didn't know so well. 1:56:32.880 --> 1:56:34.880 I'm sure she never thought in a million years that 1:56:35.000 --> 1:56:39.120 her gun averse, whiny son was going to actually get 1:56:39.360 --> 1:56:42.680 landa kill shot, like on one shot and kill this kid. 1:56:43.240 --> 1:56:48.680 But she certainly didn't have to make up that the 1:56:48.760 --> 1:56:52.280 son stood in the doorway and watch the mad sect 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:57.440 while we jerked off, Like she definitely added some details 1:56:57.440 --> 1:56:59.120 that to further traumatize her son. 1:57:00.120 --> 1:57:02.120 And this happens all the time, and it's something that 1:57:02.160 --> 1:57:03.680 like an episode we're going to cover again. But this 1:57:03.800 --> 1:57:05.920 idea of when then they're like, well they seduced me, 1:57:06.440 --> 1:57:07.040 and who said it? 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:09.000 Where it's like it's the adult's job to say no, 1:57:09.920 --> 1:57:11.640 was it? Sarah said like it's like. 1:57:11.640 --> 1:57:15.560 The kid can like try and try as much as 1:57:15.600 --> 1:57:17.440 they want, like you're the adult. 1:57:17.520 --> 1:57:19.960 Yeah, the same as they can want the games or 1:57:20.040 --> 1:57:21.360 candy or anything else. 1:57:21.480 --> 1:57:23.040 Like it's your job to say. 1:57:22.840 --> 1:57:25.720 No, like we all thought our swim coach was hot, right, 1:57:25.880 --> 1:57:27.520 or let's say this or that. But it's like it's 1:57:27.640 --> 1:57:32.839 their job to not get like be taken by the flirting. 1:57:33.680 --> 1:57:36.320 It's a bunch of hormonal kids, Like it doesn't matter 1:57:36.360 --> 1:57:36.840 what they do. 1:57:37.560 --> 1:57:40.840 Yeah, well, it's basically your job to not be like 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:42.360 sort of. 1:57:44.520 --> 1:57:44.760 And the. 1:57:46.840 --> 1:57:50.800 Yeah, and that the pair and her being like well, 1:57:50.840 --> 1:57:53.680 you know, they're bad upbringing, and it's like those rich 1:57:53.760 --> 1:57:56.360 loving black people, like what are you talking about? 1:57:57.440 --> 1:57:59.400 Like she's full super spar you know. 1:57:59.440 --> 1:58:02.600 It's just like that kind of assumption of like, well 1:58:02.640 --> 1:58:06.040 he must be the scholarship, that element of it all 1:58:06.120 --> 1:58:08.520 that she probably believed that people would believe he's an 1:58:08.520 --> 1:58:11.160 aggressor and used that because she is smart. 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:12.760 That's what the ex husband said. 1:58:13.720 --> 1:58:17.120 Yeah, and so like, yeah, I sort of wonder how 1:58:17.120 --> 1:58:20.720 these things would go, Like what happens if the kid 1:58:21.040 --> 1:58:23.000 never takes out the gun but he just sees his 1:58:23.040 --> 1:58:27.160 mom doing that, or he never he never like kills him, right, 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:29.680 But he sees his mom doing that and like, I 1:58:29.760 --> 1:58:33.280 wonder how she would have covered it up with her son, 1:58:34.240 --> 1:58:35.800 you know, she would have figured. 1:58:35.600 --> 1:58:38.240 Out to wait a minute time so they Yeah, I 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:42.160 wonder if she, like if he would cut his friend out. 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:44.160 Yeah, and like she's doing it to more than one 1:58:44.200 --> 1:58:46.760 kid at the school, like like bitch, she just thinks 1:58:46.800 --> 1:58:49.000 she can get away with it. Like it's like she's 1:58:49.040 --> 1:58:50.480 like all the men we talk about on the show 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:56.120 all the time, you know. But and then of course, yeah, 1:58:56.160 --> 1:59:00.800 the real life stories these teachers, I don't get it. 1:59:01.000 --> 1:59:03.120 And a therapist is so we've I mean, we had 1:59:03.160 --> 1:59:06.520 another episode about a therapist doing this and like it's 1:59:06.600 --> 1:59:09.760 so that's so sinister to me because it's like you 1:59:09.800 --> 1:59:14.640 are using like your skills that you've learned to manipulate somebody, 1:59:14.800 --> 1:59:15.000 you know. 1:59:16.520 --> 1:59:19.680 Yeah, but Caleb said this on a podcast, but he's 1:59:19.720 --> 1:59:22.880 like the most deeply deranged, like sick people you know, 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:24.600 are like I think I'm going to become a therapist. 1:59:24.720 --> 1:59:25.720 Yes, I've said that. 1:59:26.240 --> 1:59:30.440 Like literally every friend I've had that is like a 1:59:30.440 --> 1:59:33.200 little bit cuckoo is like I'm going to become a therapist. 1:59:33.240 --> 1:59:34.000 I'm going to go to therapy. 1:59:34.120 --> 1:59:37.520 I'm like, wow, And the people with the worst lives 1:59:37.520 --> 1:59:38.760 I've seen are life coaches. 1:59:39.520 --> 1:59:42.240 Oh interesting, I don't know any like that. Many life 1:59:42.240 --> 1:59:45.960 coaches personally like friends, siblings and stuff, but it always 1:59:45.960 --> 1:59:52.400 feels like it's something someone's doing sort of on the side. Yeah, 1:59:52.400 --> 1:59:54.760 I want a full time life coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:59:55.160 --> 1:59:57.080 I don't want that to be if you're good enough 1:59:57.120 --> 1:59:58.839 to be a life coach, it should be your life, 1:59:58.920 --> 2:00:00.400 like it should be your whole life. 2:00:01.960 --> 2:00:04.240 To be my life coach if you want to be 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:05.040 my life coach. 2:00:05.200 --> 2:00:07.960 Okay, But also it does suck because like when Casey 2:00:08.040 --> 2:00:12.320 sent us the photos from the crime, I was like, 2:00:12.400 --> 2:00:13.520 the teacher is hot. 2:00:14.040 --> 2:00:17.280 She's like really hot. The photo is hot, and it's 2:00:17.360 --> 2:00:22.760 like yeah, like it's you're the adult. Yeah, you're the adult. 2:00:22.800 --> 2:00:25.200 The boys can have crushes on you like that is 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:27.280 that is fine? 2:00:27.440 --> 2:00:28.960 There's so many more of these. 2:00:29.040 --> 2:00:32.160 There's in the SV universe too, Like there's we and 2:00:32.280 --> 2:00:35.600 we did the one for mother, right, wasn't that the one. 2:00:35.440 --> 2:00:41.120 With John Abraham's Yes, but that's that's that's psychologists. Because 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:44.040 I'm thinking hot teacher, that's Betty yes, beIN but but 2:00:44.120 --> 2:00:47.240 I'm thinking I'm putting teacher. I'm putting female teacher therapists 2:00:47.280 --> 2:00:49.720 in the same Betty Gilpin. And then there's Catfishing Teacher 2:00:49.840 --> 2:00:52.600 with the woman from but I think that ends up 2:00:52.600 --> 2:00:54.360 being that she. 2:00:54.440 --> 2:00:56.400 Was attacked in Catfishing Teacher. 2:00:57.800 --> 2:01:01.240 Heart yeah, oh no, no, no, Melissa Jonehart's in a 2:01:01.240 --> 2:01:03.920 different one. It's not called cat fishing teacher, which is 2:01:04.080 --> 2:01:06.600 no because she has like Catholic stuff too, and her 2:01:06.680 --> 2:01:09.200 husband's mad that she got raped and her husband in 2:01:09.240 --> 2:01:10.960 the episode used to date my friend for a long 2:01:11.000 --> 2:01:12.320 time and I hung out with him all the time. 2:01:12.760 --> 2:01:15.880 Melissa Joan Art SVU. 2:01:15.960 --> 2:01:19.640 Which one is that one called impulsives? It is? 2:01:19.640 --> 2:01:23.280 Is that it impulsive? You're right, Wow, I've never heard that. 2:01:23.400 --> 2:01:25.480 And then which one had a tumor. There's also a 2:01:25.480 --> 2:01:27.240 teacher who had a tumor in her head and that's 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:29.720 why she was doing it the tumor. 2:01:29.760 --> 2:01:32.640 We did that one so early on. It's just a 2:01:32.680 --> 2:01:35.840 lot s Fu's really like upset about this. 2:01:36.440 --> 2:01:39.240 Well, that's what's even crazy, Like I did this the 2:01:39.400 --> 2:01:42.040 heated rivalry PowerPoint on all my obsessions, and I touched 2:01:42.040 --> 2:01:43.240 on some of the other ones, and it's like I 2:01:43.240 --> 2:01:46.120 didn't even mention SVU. That's how sick it is. It 2:01:46.160 --> 2:01:49.160 was called sorry, well, that's like this really sexual title. 2:01:49.400 --> 2:01:49.800 I know. 2:01:50.320 --> 2:01:54.200 I remember being like, that's weird. They she just names 2:01:54.200 --> 2:01:56.080 something ballgag, Like what the fuck are they. 2:01:55.960 --> 2:02:01.720 Doing up to? Really doing so? True? 2:02:02.040 --> 2:02:04.880 Honestly, maybe I'll wait stage door for Murushka. Who gives 2:02:04.920 --> 2:02:08.240 a fuck? I'm going I have a fund no. But 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:09.920 I have so much stuff for her to sign. I 2:02:09.960 --> 2:02:12.920 would never mention the podcast. I would just be just 2:02:13.000 --> 2:02:15.800 a loose fan. But I have so many postcards with 2:02:15.840 --> 2:02:17.600 her on them. I have so much artwork. I have 2:02:17.680 --> 2:02:21.280 her People magazine. I could actually get something real signed. 2:02:22.480 --> 2:02:25.080 She might only be doing playbills. Only Michael Seahall did 2:02:25.080 --> 2:02:27.000 that for Hedwig, but you never know. 2:02:27.640 --> 2:02:28.720 Who knows. Uh. 2:02:28.800 --> 2:02:31.280 The listener who saw it had. 2:02:31.360 --> 2:02:32.040 Pictures with her. 2:02:32.920 --> 2:02:35.360 Oh my god, Okay, let me see one of them. 2:02:35.400 --> 2:02:38.800 A couple have seen it, but one sentence pictures. Okay, 2:02:39.120 --> 2:02:40.880 let's move on to our what would Sister Peg do? 2:02:41.080 --> 2:02:44.320 Everybody knows this is our weekly segment where we direct 2:02:44.400 --> 2:02:48.600 you to an organization, a book, an article, something to 2:02:48.600 --> 2:02:52.160 give you more information about what we talked about today. 2:02:52.200 --> 2:02:53.680 And this week we wanted to put you to an 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:58.040 article on healthline dot com titled twelve Signs of Narcissistic 2:02:58.120 --> 2:03:00.160 Abuse Syndrome and how to Get Help. 2:03:00.440 --> 2:03:01.440 It goes through a very. 2:03:01.280 --> 2:03:03.960 Helpful and descriptive list of behaviors that are indicative of 2:03:04.000 --> 2:03:06.560 a narcissist because I know people throw that around a lot, 2:03:06.640 --> 2:03:09.760 but it is like an actual diagnosis, and the article 2:03:09.760 --> 2:03:12.080 gets into narcissistic manipulation tactics. 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:16.920 So if you think you or a loved one. 2:03:16.880 --> 2:03:20.160 Is a victim of a narcissisistic person, check this article 2:03:20.160 --> 2:03:23.160 out healthline dot com linked in our show notes. 2:03:23.440 --> 2:03:26.800 It will be posted and linked in our stories the. 2:03:26.760 --> 2:03:29.680 Day this episode comes out, and our stories are all saved. 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:32.000 Our wr what was this repectors are all saved in 2:03:32.040 --> 2:03:35.000 our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page, which. 2:03:34.840 --> 2:03:36.360 Is That's Messed Up Pod. 2:03:37.160 --> 2:03:39.720 Thank you so much for that, And next week we'll 2:03:39.720 --> 2:03:41.640 be doing I would say one of the Hall of 2:03:41.640 --> 2:03:47.120 Famers Angels season four, episode six d a dark. 2:03:47.080 --> 2:03:49.840 Dark, dark, but like it's dark in. 2:03:51.400 --> 2:03:55.480 Subject matter, but because of the acting there is like 2:03:55.520 --> 2:03:59.320 a lightness in like they're at a squash court, you 2:03:59.360 --> 2:04:05.360 know what, Andy, Yeah, the next week is dark as 2:04:05.480 --> 2:04:08.040 fuck child rape to the Max, but it's fun. 2:04:08.680 --> 2:04:09.480 We're gonna have fun. 2:04:09.560 --> 2:04:13.280 Please don't clip that. 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