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Speaker 1: a victory Monday once again for your Dallas Cowboys after
Speaker 1: a fourth straight win, this time over the New York
Speaker 1: Football Giants. This is mixed shots. We are inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC podcast studio here at Ford Center, dropping at the
Speaker 1: Star and frisky. You are sounding like Lou Garrett given
Speaker 1: us the final speech at Yankee Stadium. There we go,
Speaker 1: Chris Beam making us fight through it. But here we are,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys fought through a slow start on Sunday
Speaker 1: against the Giants and then they picked up speed very quickly.
Speaker 1: And I think it's great that Chris Beam has picked
Speaker 1: out the old Cowboy theme song to get us started
Speaker 1: not only this week, but last week. And we'll continue
Speaker 1: a trend throughout the season because I'm going to pay
Speaker 1: tribute to Don Bishop. Thank you, thank you, not Everson Wall,
Speaker 1: not Everson Walls. It's the great, Don Bishop. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that a little bit later because we have come
Speaker 1: across so amazing stats from Don. You're reading the wrong bill,
Speaker 1: I think I maybe too, but I'm going to a
Speaker 1: different gardless anyway. And by the way, when we play
Speaker 1: that song, we need to see if Douglas still has
Speaker 1: his cowboy Joe hat in his office. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: that song because it brings back those old feelings. You know,
Speaker 1: back when that was being played, cowboys were winning all
Speaker 1: the time, so we were just accustomed to his bags.
Speaker 1: You want to hear, because you know, I wasn't you
Speaker 1: were a loser over there, No, I was. I was winning.
Speaker 1: I was. You're a Packers fan, I'm with you. We
Speaker 1: were mad at your guys. Now when Don Bishop was
Speaker 1: playing for the Cowboys, that cowboys were not. But he
Speaker 1: was winning though. Yeah, yeah, all over all over the play.
Speaker 1: So that's why I feel now I wake up, me
Speaker 1: and my son, we're talking about it. I wake up now.
Speaker 1: It's a good feeling to watch a game and you
Speaker 1: know it's not stress, but you just have the confidence
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, we can we can
Speaker 1: complain and complain and complain knowing that we're still gonna win.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought the key thing yesterday was obviously
Speaker 1: they got off to a slow start, right they turned
Speaker 1: the ball over, and they were good enough to overcome
Speaker 1: their shortcomings. They outscored themselves. And you know what I
Speaker 1: said at the time, even though they were struggling in
Speaker 1: the first quarter, I just had a feeling, I said
Speaker 1: to a friend, I said, they're going to hang half
Speaker 1: a hundred on these guys. Yeah, I mean, you just
Speaker 1: had that feeling, even with the turnovers, and it was
Speaker 1: three nothing after Once they were moving the football, they
Speaker 1: were fine. They were they were just fine. It was
Speaker 1: only a matter of time. They were in wild what
Speaker 1: they score you said, moving, they were moving the football.
Speaker 1: We still were frustrated with the mistakes, but we still
Speaker 1: had the poise to overcome them. Yeah, usually that stopped.
Speaker 1: That's three steps right there. Usually we stopped at two.
Speaker 1: Last year and years before we stopped it too. Now
Speaker 1: we're able to because of our poise, and let's face it,
Speaker 1: because of our defense. We're able to hold him off,
Speaker 1: the opposition off until our offense gets on. And it's
Speaker 1: because of the balance on offense, because of the ability
Speaker 1: to run the football and throw the football, But it's
Speaker 1: like twenty and sixteen all over again. I just that
Speaker 1: offensive line man that that's the comfort zone that we have.
Speaker 1: When you have an offensive line like that, it's like
Speaker 1: being around a big brother. You got these big old
Speaker 1: dudes hanging around and they're always going to have your back.
Speaker 1: They're always gonna pave the way for you. That's the
Speaker 1: way we're doing this every week, even though we start
Speaker 1: offs slow, and it's better than two thou sixteen because
Speaker 1: you got a double punch at running back now. I mean,
Speaker 1: Zeke is playing at the same level. I think that
Speaker 1: he was his rookie year in twenty and sixteen, but
Speaker 1: now you've got the he hasn't broke a home run
Speaker 1: run yet, but you feel like he's gonna. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy, is that, you know, fifteen or twenty
Speaker 1: yards for that matter, Dak is getting I'm sorry, Zeke
Speaker 1: is getting real close to breaking along. That's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but hadn't done, hadn't done. His little lightning thing is
Speaker 1: as much as we liked for him too, but still
Speaker 1: he's representing extremely well. See. I think the evidence of
Speaker 1: what we're talking about after it was ten ten that
Speaker 1: they take the possession two minute drill at the end
Speaker 1: of the first half and drove right down the field,
Speaker 1: scored and what up seven? You know what I call that?
Speaker 1: That was that mojo moment. Yeah, that was that moment.
Speaker 1: I wrote it down before they even started. It's like,
Speaker 1: you score here, let's let's put this thing back into
Speaker 1: our control. This is getting a little bit. It's not
Speaker 1: funny anymore that these guys are hanging around like some
Speaker 1: cute little bugs and some pests. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: they were. They were just some pests until we decided
Speaker 1: to just put the hammer down. Play started with that
Speaker 1: that two minute drink eight play seventy five yards yeah,
Speaker 1: two fifteen uh. It took and the touchdown pass was
Speaker 1: rather incredible on two points uh one, the route that
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper ran on, that guy spun him around with.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just unbelievable. And then Dak threads a
Speaker 1: needle because there's two guys there, right, and I was
Speaker 1: when I saw it, I go old, that's gonna get picked.
Speaker 1: Dak's only looking at the safety. He's not even looked
Speaker 1: at the cornerback because he's corner was already he was
Speaker 1: going to be there, so he's only concentrated the safety.
Speaker 1: Make sure I can't get that in there. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just confidence man, just on all levels and command of
Speaker 1: the offense. He knows. Yeah, well, yeah, they talked about
Speaker 1: that because you know they what forty eight tried to
Speaker 1: sneak up and get the blitz. Of course, Dak saw
Speaker 1: it based on the alignment here and beyond is working
Speaker 1: well together, pointing out the alignement and how okay when
Speaker 1: when before he changed it, then they had all beyond,
Speaker 1: just had it all counted out. Then forty eight came around.
Speaker 1: Dak's like, hold up, he's coming now, we have to
Speaker 1: change everything, and they slid it over here. Zeke picked
Speaker 1: up of the inside guy here and he was big
Speaker 1: and it speaks pass Yes, it speaks also, I mean
Speaker 1: to the preparation that Dak has on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: weekly basis, year round basis. It's it's on an elite level.
Speaker 1: And the and the aptitude not only of him, but
Speaker 1: everybody in that room. Where I mean when think of
Speaker 1: the think of the minds, the quarterback minds they have
Speaker 1: in that room. Uh, not just Dak, but Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: and Doug nuss Meyer and Mike McCarthy and being it
Speaker 1: simplifies the whole thing for him as they prepare each way.
Speaker 1: And let's face it, the white receivers and running backs
Speaker 1: all on the same page. Yeah, it's effortless for them mentally.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the touchdown past to Zeke,
Speaker 1: the play design was perfect for what the Giants were doing.
Speaker 1: Twenty three. It was Logan Ryan. He came up in
Speaker 1: the slot, he was gonna blitz right, and he thought
Speaker 1: he had the perfect run blitz because Dak faked the
Speaker 1: pitch out to Zeke and he came firing up and
Speaker 1: then Zeke just goes around him and all Dak had
Speaker 1: to do was throw a lollipop over his head for
Speaker 1: the kind of high step touchdown right. But it was
Speaker 1: a perfect call. And I don't know if they adjusted,
Speaker 1: if there was a read there. He saw the safety
Speaker 1: coming up, it's like, okay, I'm not giving you the bone.
Speaker 1: You just go run a wheel round. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about the receivers, it's those sight
Speaker 1: adjustments that they've got to make on the fly. That
Speaker 1: you have to have smart receivers, whether their wide receivers,
Speaker 1: TI in running backs or whatever. Who are on the
Speaker 1: same page that you are. And that's where experience in
Speaker 1: an offense and having worked together, they're just ready. Bryan
Speaker 1: Wilson's coming in just seamless, you know, including him and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the experience that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: Receiving Corps has across the board multiple years in this
Speaker 1: same offense. It's amazing. And that's one of the reasons.
Speaker 1: You know, give Mike mccrothy credit for that. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to disrupt whatever continuity the team had going between
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, Colin plays and Dak Prescott running the same offense,
Speaker 1: instead of coming in and going, Okay, I'm sorry, this
Speaker 1: is my offense. We're gonna do it this way. And
Speaker 1: he didn't do that, and he should be applauded for that.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, ficking Kellen Moore, man, he is in
Speaker 1: his bag. As my son says, matter of fact, he
Speaker 1: and Quinn, they both seem to be working so well
Speaker 1: off of each other. We made the mistakes early on,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, defensively we were able to hold
Speaker 1: them off. You know, the last couple of years. If
Speaker 1: we make those mistakes, man, we're down fourteen nothing and
Speaker 1: it's snowballs. Yeah, we're down fourteen nothing, We're not They're
Speaker 1: gonna be We're gonna be totally clueless offensively, They're gonna
Speaker 1: just probably some big play. Within three downs, they're going
Speaker 1: to score. We go do it again. They'll probably do
Speaker 1: the same thing, and we'll be over there not knowing
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on. Then offense has to
Speaker 1: come back with them just blind. Feury're trying to catch
Speaker 1: up and while the defense continues to give it up.
Speaker 1: That's totally different this year. You know, think about I
Speaker 1: was just sitting there thinking about the skill position players
Speaker 1: on this team, and there's only one that's playing who
Speaker 1: has less than three years experience in this offense, and
Speaker 1: that's CD Lamb Right, Yeah, I mean you think Zeke
Speaker 1: and Pollard, the two tight ends, and the receivers went
Speaker 1: and when Gallup's healthy as well, it's only CD is
Speaker 1: the only one who has less than three years experience
Speaker 1: in this offense. So we're talking about juniors and put
Speaker 1: it in college terms. These are all juniors and seniors.
Speaker 1: In many cases, they're going up against freshman and sophomores.
Speaker 1: And it's graduate students, guys with master's degree and CDs.
Speaker 1: He's a breakout run waiting to which brings us to
Speaker 1: this week's opponent. In the twenty years of dominance that
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots had with Tom Brady, I mean,
Speaker 1: how much did they benefit just from the experience factor
Speaker 1: of all of not only Brady but all of his
Speaker 1: receivers and everything through the years. It gives you such
Speaker 1: a huge advantage, as much turnover as there is in
Speaker 1: this list. And it'd be interesting, you know how many
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators they had during that time. But the stabilizing
Speaker 1: influence was Belichick, right, So if he brought in a
Speaker 1: different coordinator or he elevated one, it's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're not coming in with your offense. This is our offense.
Speaker 1: You learn it here. Here's the book. Book read read that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know it's so crazy about the anniversary or
Speaker 1: whatever three hundred and sixty four days or sixty five,
Speaker 1: which wasn't I thought I thought we finished that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember what the answer was. Sixty five five, three
Speaker 1: sixty five days that year? Its three sixty six to day, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. Well, anyway, it seemed like Karma has really
Speaker 1: kind of started backing the Cowboys because not only did
Speaker 1: da Go make it through the game, have this great game,
Speaker 1: and of course this entire year has been magical. Everyone
Speaker 1: else is getting hurt on the Giant squad. I mean
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, man. They had six ft six guys go down.
Speaker 1: Well count them. Say Quin was first, right, and that
Speaker 1: was after the play he stepped on Jordan Lewis foot
Speaker 1: right and he and he they showed the picture that
Speaker 1: that didn't look swollen. Yeah, if that was swollen, I
Speaker 1: don't know that. That was way too big for the
Speaker 1: next week really, yeah, okay, and then they lost Day
Speaker 1: on the interception that was late. No, I was on
Speaker 1: the near interception. Yeah, when when Diggs broke across and
Speaker 1: when Diggs when he fell on Digg's ankle, right, he
Speaker 1: also messed up his knee because he grabbed it as
Speaker 1: he rolled over. That's just how much how that was
Speaker 1: the force that that Dicks came to intercept that ball.
Speaker 1: He didn't come underneath, he went over the top. He
Speaker 1: passed him over the top and still almost stole it,
Speaker 1: which allowed Golladay to to have a misstep, right, And
Speaker 1: that's how we ended up her. So then they lose
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones yea. Then they lose Golladay eventually m and
Speaker 1: they were already down Sterling Shepherd, Tony came out, they
Speaker 1: came back and they were down before the game. They
Speaker 1: lost the left tackle, and then Thomas before the game
Speaker 1: play they had him inactive right and then Um and
Speaker 1: then the only way they were going to stop Cadarius
Speaker 1: Tony as he threw a punch, it got ejected ten
Speaker 1: catches for one hundred kie record for the Giant rookie record,
Speaker 1: most since nineteen fifty. Just he is amazing, but stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you saw it. The entire time
Speaker 1: he was calculating how he was going to hit Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: You know, he was sitting there and he fixed his glove,
Speaker 1: did he? I didn't know this, guys. It was slow.
Speaker 1: He fixed his glove. The only thing he did was missed,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he did all of that. He's
Speaker 1: closer than Bill and I are, and he missed. I
Speaker 1: mean he was. He tried to sneak him like a
Speaker 1: real like an Oli punch or something. That didn't work,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't and he still got taken down after
Speaker 1: he missed the punch, So he got kicked he got
Speaker 1: kicked out of the game, ain't He wasn't watching Fury
Speaker 1: the night before. Huh, No, he missed that because Fury
Speaker 1: was landing. He did not. Um, it's a shame for
Speaker 1: him because he's probably gonna score another touchdown. He hadn't.
Speaker 1: Remember we were talking last week about big plays, right,
Speaker 1: he had thirty eight, thirty five, twenty eight, twenty six four.
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop him. No, that just and that was
Speaker 1: the only way that stopped him. And I know we
Speaker 1: got going to man. But here's the thing. All of
Speaker 1: those plays last year that would have resulted in touchdowns, right,
Speaker 1: every one of them to the end, we folded to
Speaker 1: the end. We stopped him on the one yard line.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, we're getting interceptions, we're getting stops,
Speaker 1: getting penalty's pushing them back, and you're getting missfield goals.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's not that's not karma. That's just
Speaker 1: guys playing hard. That's all that is, making plays plays
Speaker 1: like like Jabril Cox. You know, unfortunately Daniel Jones gets hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but think he's playing probably in that game because it's
Speaker 1: goal line, right, they need an extra linebacker. He might
Speaker 1: have been playing for Jalen Smith. I don't know. Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith wouldn't have run, No, he wouldn't not, but he
Speaker 1: ran them down U and made the tackles a saving. Now,
Speaker 1: having said that Smith has done that in his career,
Speaker 1: yes he has, but not doubt about it. There's no
Speaker 1: doubt about what he has done. But you know how
Speaker 1: this league is, whatever you do, that's just the way man.
Speaker 1: As a business we are all a victim of that
Speaker 1: guy as a businessman. He was getting paid by two
Speaker 1: teams on Sunday and didn't have to play not one down.
Speaker 1: So good luck to you, Jaylen. All right, well we're
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Speaker 1: me to do Don Bishop now? Or we want to
Speaker 1: wait on Don Bishops. Let's do Don Bishop and then
Speaker 1: we'll do Everson Walls, okay, okay, and Trayvon did first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're looking at Don Bishops. Okay, bring us up to
Speaker 1: speed now where Trayvon is all time in the record
Speaker 1: setting season that he's having in. By the way, Richard
Speaker 1: Sherman tweeting out that he's the right now, he's the
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year in this already, yes, in
Speaker 1: which I would agree with. So he has a least
Speaker 1: one interception in each of the first five games, totaling six.
Speaker 1: And by the way, he had an interception last year
Speaker 1: in game fifteen, So that means seven in the last
Speaker 1: seven games because he didn't have one in game sixteen
Speaker 1: last year. Okay, So he's got seven total in seven games,
Speaker 1: but five in the first five games of the year
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. In in team history, Don Bishop was
Speaker 1: the last guy to do that in the first five
Speaker 1: games of a year, having an interception in each game,
Speaker 1: which occurred in nineteen sixty one, so sixty years ago.
Speaker 1: And as you know, dig says six in the five games,
Speaker 1: he's got one at least one in every game so far.
Speaker 1: And Everson. We've gone through the less several weeks about
Speaker 1: what Everson did in rookie year at eleven picks and
Speaker 1: two in the postseasons or count thirteen. I've never heard,
Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, all these guys are going down.
Speaker 1: Bishop went down, he's weak. Yeah these week guys, I
Speaker 1: didn't go down. I'm all right. So so anyway, I
Speaker 1: decided to look up Don Bishop. Okay, and you said
Speaker 1: it was the Cowboy record again was five one in
Speaker 1: each of the first five first five games of the
Speaker 1: season of the nineteen sixty one season. Correct, Okay, So
Speaker 1: I went and looked up on Pro Football Reference Don Bishop,
Speaker 1: and so I'm looking at the nineteen sixty one season,
Speaker 1: and yeah, sure enough, he's got picks in the first
Speaker 1: five games of the year. Well, then he missed the
Speaker 1: next three weeks, and in weeks nine and ten in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one he also had interceptions. So the only
Speaker 1: games he played in in nineteen sixty one there were
Speaker 1: seven games, and he had picks in every single game.
Speaker 1: So there there, in nineteen sixty one, he played in
Speaker 1: seven games, had picks in every game. So I went
Speaker 1: back to nineteen sixty with the Cowboys. He played in
Speaker 1: three games in nineteen sixty weeks one, seven, and nine.
Speaker 1: He had picks in every game. So now we're up
Speaker 1: to how many ten straight for him for him in
Speaker 1: games he's played. That's ten straight games in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: ninety sixty one. Okay, let's fast forward in nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. He had a first game he played in,
Speaker 1: which was Week three. He had a pick against the Rams.
Speaker 1: Week four, he had a pick against Cleveland. Week six,
Speaker 1: he missed another week. In Week six, he had two picks,
Speaker 1: Week seven a pick. In Week fourteen he had another pick.
Speaker 1: So every game he played in in nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: he had an interception. So now we're up to fifty.
Speaker 1: Not sure about this bill. It's just too good to
Speaker 1: be true. I'm wondering, Yeah, I miss reading this or what.
Speaker 1: And so there's fifteen straight games that he played in
Speaker 1: from sixteen to sixty two. Oh what about nineteen sixty three? Okay,
Speaker 1: he played in Week one, there's an interception against Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: Week four, he had an interception at Philadelphia. Next week
Speaker 1: he played Week eight. It gets washed. He say he
Speaker 1: missed the game in between Week four, miss Week eight's
Speaker 1: he played in week one, got a pick, he missed
Speaker 1: weeks two and see about that. Well, miss two not
Speaker 1: listed on his game blog, and then week four he
Speaker 1: had an interception, and then missed weeks five, six, and seven.
Speaker 1: In week he had an interception, and then also in
Speaker 1: weeks eleven and thirteen, and and so five games in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, which brings us to a total of
Speaker 1: twenty straight games in which he played. And this isn't
Speaker 1: just his interception log, because you go back to nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty eight when he was with Pittsburgh, he has he
Speaker 1: has two games. No, it was the NFL Pittsburgh, and
Speaker 1: he had two games in nineteen fifty eight where he
Speaker 1: did not had an interception on this same game log. Okay,
Speaker 1: So in his career Pittsburgh and then Dallas, he played
Speaker 1: in twenty two games and had interceptions in twenty of
Speaker 1: those games. All twenty of the games he played with
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, he had picks. That's that's difficult, Bill,
Speaker 1: It's not difficult that he did it. Yeah, that we
Speaker 1: haven't been been made a web of this, that makes easy.
Speaker 1: It can if anyone out there in the Bishop family.
Speaker 1: First of all, no one listened to this show, so
Speaker 1: I'm talking. But if anyone family, anyone knows anyone outside
Speaker 1: the circle of the bishop family, please call us. We
Speaker 1: have got to find out more about this amazing young man.
Speaker 1: So when you had eleven in eighty one, did you
Speaker 1: have any consecutive streaks going that you remember? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I just felt like they all punched together. We would
Speaker 1: have to we can call that up. The only thing
Speaker 1: I beg about it is they always they was on
Speaker 1: prime time. I had only Prime touch was the original
Speaker 1: Prime time. Most of my interceptions, my two interception games
Speaker 1: came on Monday Night football in eighty one. In eighty one,
Speaker 1: you had new Rams bills at New England and New England.
Speaker 1: First New England you had two picks, which was one
Speaker 1: of the last times, the second to last time the
Speaker 1: Cowboys beat New England in New England eighty six was
Speaker 1: the up seven eighty seven? Yes, Thornton Chandler always reminds
Speaker 1: me that he threw the boat through the block right
Speaker 1: and overtime it was like the second place it was.
Speaker 1: I was there and it was freezing. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: I remember walking out of the press box after that
Speaker 1: game after we finished working, and I swear it was
Speaker 1: like twenty degrees and the wind was blown Danniel White
Speaker 1: through the best pass I've ever seen to Mike Renfeld.
Speaker 1: For some reason, the cornerback Lapette bites on a out
Speaker 1: and up when it's third in twenty he bites on
Speaker 1: the out and up and Mike Renfeld just, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the best overachieving teammate I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: So when we look at the records, we talked about
Speaker 1: ever since eleven in eighty one, which is still a
Speaker 1: Cowboys record and most in the NFL. The last forty
Speaker 1: years before he got here, mel renfro Sent set this
Speaker 1: single season record of interceptions with ten in nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: I broke his record Philadelphia game. I think it was
Speaker 1: the last game of the season that year, in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, second to last game of the season, second
Speaker 1: to the last, And prior to that, the record was
Speaker 1: eight by in nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty one, yes,
Speaker 1: eight twenty straight games he had interceptions. So just understand
Speaker 1: what Diggs is doing, right, And we talked about ever
Speaker 1: since eleven, but the next highest total was nine in
Speaker 1: eighty five by Everson Walls. So uh and and as
Speaker 1: I looked through this now, when I got eleven. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: when I got eleven? Uh huh. Dennis Sturman had nine
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, Okay, because I was gonna say
Speaker 1: when I yet nobody in eighty five. Yeah, but in
Speaker 1: eighty one is when he got nine. Oh. Okay, since
Speaker 1: since Everson had nine in eighty five, no Cowboy player
Speaker 1: has had more than six in one season. Oh, there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of guys. So Michael Downs the next
Speaker 1: year had six h Kevin Smith had six in ninety three.
Speaker 1: In ninety three, Larry Brown and Brock Marion both had
Speaker 1: six in H and Anthony Henry had six in two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven. So he's the most recent guy with
Speaker 1: six picks. That's the one from Ohio State. Anthony Henry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you got me on that. You know. I think
Speaker 1: he was the one that he came over from the Browns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Well. I got started feeling himself real good.
Speaker 1: He had a few interceptions and he's like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: the record eleven? He goes out, Shoot, it was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Uh, And I'm looking up Anthony
Speaker 1: Henry right now. And he went to South Florida, Florida floor.
Speaker 1: So you understand what Digs is doing. It's kind of
Speaker 1: what I wrote in my column today. Let history explain
Speaker 1: what's going on right now. I love what Zeke said
Speaker 1: after the game about it's got to be some kind
Speaker 1: of record talking about Trayvon and his interceptions. Did you
Speaker 1: see it? He was saying, uh, now, what's the single
Speaker 1: season record? It's fourteen for the NFL in a night train.
Speaker 1: So anyway, and this press conference yesterday and his press
Speaker 1: conference after the game yesterday, Zeke said, man, that's got
Speaker 1: to be some kind of record, and that Trayvon's already
Speaker 1: got say where he's closing in on some kind of record.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's a record nine or ten? And someone
Speaker 1: said fourteen. Zeke's a reaction priceless. Oh, he's always always
Speaker 1: oh never mind, Well you know why, So I was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to look up. So since Everson had eleven,
Speaker 1: I said, well the records fourteen? Who had more after
Speaker 1: Everson or before the year before? And eighty Lester Hayes thirteen,
Speaker 1: And that that year Lester Hayes had thirteen. He had
Speaker 1: five in the postseason, if I'm not mistaken, and he
Speaker 1: dropped two right in his hands. He didn't have a
Speaker 1: stick him on. He did have a stick him on.
Speaker 1: That's why they outlawed it in eighty one and he
Speaker 1: never got more than two. You you are the first
Speaker 1: in I didn't even want gloves in eighty one, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that was That's just it was a difference and they
Speaker 1: outlawed everything. Blinnikov did it, of course, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: when Lester Hayes started doing everybody started complaining because he's
Speaker 1: putting his hands on everyone. So that's the if it's
Speaker 1: blitic clouse not putting his hands and they was putting
Speaker 1: on the ball, let's say it glue on is it
Speaker 1: was on everybody. That's like in baseball, they lowered the
Speaker 1: pictures mount and everything. There's different records or whatever. So
Speaker 1: they started checking the pictures this year and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, spin rate went down, Right. I look at
Speaker 1: that those thirteen interceptions, and people want to put an
Speaker 1: asteric on it all the time he go after that,
Speaker 1: I'm think he got more than three his entire career,
Speaker 1: and he never got anymore before that. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to legitimize it. But it's hard to de
Speaker 1: legitimize it when you look at how great a player
Speaker 1: Lester Hayes, would you wear gloves? Nope? One bare handed
Speaker 1: in eighty one, No gloves. And there's a man's interceptions
Speaker 1: right and at his hands. Lester Hayes had thirteen in
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty and then after that the next six
Speaker 1: years in his career, the most he ever had was
Speaker 1: four in nineteen eighty five. So so and you know what,
Speaker 1: speaking of Stickham, Digs almost had two more. Yes he did.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give that the one out of the bounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he caught it. Looked good, he caught it, looked
Speaker 1: cute you that vertical Yes, and you could just see
Speaker 1: his his uh wide receiver skills as well. So tell him,
Speaker 1: tell him, tell him what you thought of Diggs's interception, Well,
Speaker 1: only on that interception, since I've gotten so many like
Speaker 1: that one. You know, he texts me, He goes, uh, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the interception? I say, it
Speaker 1: looks just like man, because again I've gotten several of
Speaker 1: those against the rounds. But I mean I've gotten those
Speaker 1: all the time. So that particular one where you won
Speaker 1: the post, I mean, you know, just like with me, uh,
Speaker 1: it was kind of under throne. So it makes you
Speaker 1: look good a little bit, A little bit because it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And stop right there. Because when he let
Speaker 1: go the ball and I saw where board was, I
Speaker 1: said that, I said to rob the balls in the air.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, he's got this. Yeah, I not Diggs.
Speaker 1: I meant it was gonna be a completion, right, and
Speaker 1: then he caught up, so go ahead. Yeah, And you
Speaker 1: could see that it's just hard for a quarterback to
Speaker 1: come off of the darrest that he had to plan
Speaker 1: and throw a great pass. It was good enough to
Speaker 1: be completed. But when you're a defensive back like Digs,
Speaker 1: he's hawking the ball as well. His name was looking
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver. He's only looking at the ball,
Speaker 1: and it was never in doubt in his mind, only
Speaker 1: in yours obviously. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: and here's the other thing that's amazing to me, and
Speaker 1: maybe you can explain it to us. It's hard to
Speaker 1: run as fast as you can with a ball traveling
Speaker 1: fifty two yards in the air and still track it
Speaker 1: and go up and catch it. I missed it against
Speaker 1: the Rams eighty one I had. I got an interception
Speaker 1: just like that one. I also missed two just like
Speaker 1: that one because the difficulty. I mean, you're running as
Speaker 1: fast as you can trying to judge the ball, and
Speaker 1: as you know, you've got the force, you got work
Speaker 1: with the ball going this way, you're trying to go
Speaker 1: this way. And man, a couple of them just I
Speaker 1: could afford that. And and and like he knows the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the ones that you miss that you
Speaker 1: always remember. And it's it's hard to run without jostling
Speaker 1: your eyes right, your heads bobbing or whatever. That's how
Speaker 1: my dad taught me how to cats. That's how I
Speaker 1: ended up being and in the SPS. An interesting story.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, I was in football, I mean in baseball.
Speaker 1: I was about to ask you did you play center
Speaker 1: field in baseball? That? What do they put black kids
Speaker 1: on a baseball team? They don't put them in, they
Speaker 1: don't put them at first before we put our one,
Speaker 1: you kids, Eddie took my leadoff spot away from me.
Speaker 1: So I'm out there and he was Eddie guy down
Speaker 1: he was, he was the mid I could walk. He
Speaker 1: was the guy that Luke Gary end up taking this place.
Speaker 1: So no, as I was running, I remember they put
Speaker 1: me out there and I was running. I couldn't adjust
Speaker 1: that ball. It's like you said, it's bouncing all over
Speaker 1: the place. You know. I'm like nine years old and
Speaker 1: I was going home and my dad my best coach ever,
Speaker 1: I said, to this day, he's my best coach ever.
Speaker 1: He said, son, you just got run on your toes
Speaker 1: and that was it. Once I ran on my toes,
Speaker 1: it was like magic. All of a sudden, the ball.
Speaker 1: I can see the ball, and from then on I
Speaker 1: was the best centifielder we had. I started loving baseball.
Speaker 1: At first, I hated it, and of course it helped
Speaker 1: me be a wide receiver. And once I became a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, then it's just like Dig Story or any
Speaker 1: other dB story that can catch. Mel Wrench for himself
Speaker 1: was a great athlete, one of the best ever all around.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're like, uh, this ball is
Speaker 1: in the air. You're still an offensive player in here.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say, when the ball's in the air,
Speaker 1: there is no offense defense, right, and who gets it.
Speaker 1: You saw McCarthy's comment after the game. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: when the ball's in the air and Digs is there,
Speaker 1: you know, it's usually fifty fifty. He goes I don't
Speaker 1: think it's fifty fifty. But you know what, you're right,
Speaker 1: Your toes are like cushion, right, if your heels are hitting,
Speaker 1: then that that's bad. Yeah, all the way around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: physically and everything. And I just thought he was just
Speaker 1: the smartest man I ever knew he could. My dad
Speaker 1: could look at you and tell you what your weaknesses
Speaker 1: are just by watching you run, by watching you walk.
Speaker 1: And that's why he didn't have much hope for me
Speaker 1: because I walk. Funny, you know, I was nothing. I
Speaker 1: wasn't built like him because he was such a great athlete,
Speaker 1: but he still saw how I could be a better athlete.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the kind of stuff you have to
Speaker 1: You're glad you go up on there is a toolis
Speaker 1: like that they can show you a little bit of confidence.
Speaker 1: So you know, as as parents, that's what you do.
Speaker 1: You try to show them what they can do, not
Speaker 1: what they cannot do, but what they can do with
Speaker 1: what they got. And you can see, you know, there's
Speaker 1: much debate about multi sport, whether whether your kids should
Speaker 1: play multi sports in high school, No doubt that they should,
Speaker 1: and exactly and like a baseball you learn in baseball
Speaker 1: that at the pitch. You are on the balls of
Speaker 1: your feet, ready to go. Every sports owes you something.
Speaker 1: That's that's right. I was just looking always. I was
Speaker 1: just looking up with Treyvon. If there's no mention of
Speaker 1: any baseball in his background, but it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: look at why receiver. That's that's what it takes. And
Speaker 1: to close out this segment on Trayvon, you know what,
Speaker 1: I just can't wait for what's that down about four
Speaker 1: months from now, I guess maybe less than four when
Speaker 1: Super Bowl just February. I just can't wait for Digs
Speaker 1: versus Diggs, the Cowboys in the Bills. It's so fut
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Yeah, that's right. All right, we're back
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Speaker 1: back off my Don Visiom story earlier. I think I'm
Speaker 1: just you're finally realizing what the game logs aren't complete.
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna say there, I mean Pro
Speaker 1: Football Reference to the game blocks they got an asteris
Speaker 1: by it. That's crazy because he's got on their game logs. Okay,
Speaker 1: so stop right there and just go up, go up
Speaker 1: the PR and they've got it. Stop right there, they've
Speaker 1: got it listed. Yes, thank you bags. Let's just be
Speaker 1: done with Just know this. You can't trust you can't
Speaker 1: trust the Pro Football Reference game blocks. So those those
Speaker 1: games that were missing might be there because you're missing something. No,
Speaker 1: it's never missing. You missed no way that this game
Speaker 1: log is not based on. That disappoints me. And he
Speaker 1: had so well, and it should disappoint all of you
Speaker 1: that we spent a whole segment on his incredible streak.
Speaker 1: So what makes you sent? Made you find the ways
Speaker 1: of your error in your error? Because I looked up
Speaker 1: I looked up then on NFL dot com and it
Speaker 1: said he played in or started sixty games in his career.
Speaker 1: Well this the game log only shows twenty two games.
Speaker 1: They but no, here's what happened back then, they didn't
Speaker 1: have track tackles, so they just tracked games. He had interception,
Speaker 1: no because and I thought that at first, But the
Speaker 1: games in Pittsburgh do not have intersect Here's here's what
Speaker 1: it is. The game log only only chronicles games. You
Speaker 1: had stat sein right, right, and those Pittsburgh games. That's
Speaker 1: what threw me. He didn't have interceptions, but he had
Speaker 1: receptions in both those games, right, And he was on
Speaker 1: the stat sheet and also didn't track. They didn't track, tackle,
Speaker 1: didn't track, and he played both ways. Apparently with Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, yeah, in nineteen fifty eight. The more
Speaker 1: you can do, right, the more you could by just
Speaker 1: like me, I love that. The more you can do,
Speaker 1: the more you can do, all right, speak, the more
Speaker 1: you can do. We probably should, uh at least give
Speaker 1: Dak his due in this game got off to a
Speaker 1: slow start. Can we can we preface that by going
Speaker 1: over our picks to click in that game? Yes? Can?
Speaker 1: You had CD? CD? You had I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter I had Dak, So go ahead, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh well, he wouldn't have been as good if CD
Speaker 1: wasn't catching all. I'm with you. I like your picks.
Speaker 1: You know, he he got off, he got off to
Speaker 1: a slow start. Um, you know, okay, it's weird. He
Speaker 1: trying to throw a little dump past the zeke and
Speaker 1: the guy bats it up in the air and it
Speaker 1: comes right back right two of them. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: the other the other fumble he had, he took his
Speaker 1: eyes off the snap. Everybody's wanting to blame the center.
Speaker 1: The snap was fine. He was looking to where he
Speaker 1: was gonna go once he cut the ball. And then
Speaker 1: he mentioned afterwards that, you know, while he basically all
Speaker 1: week long denied that this game didn't mean that much,
Speaker 1: that he is a past all that, and then admitted
Speaker 1: afterwards that he said, yeah, he goes. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of energy to start. He said, I felt
Speaker 1: like it was a little funk. And then he mentioned,
Speaker 1: he goes in. You know, I realized where I was
Speaker 1: what happened a year ago, And he said, and it
Speaker 1: even got a little worse when he saw the cart
Speaker 1: come out. And the cart came out for sque I believe,
Speaker 1: and for Daniel. And that's why I said, the whole game,
Speaker 1: it was just a game of injuries and seeming like
Speaker 1: karma was on Dallas side and he and he kind
Speaker 1: of admitted that, you know, hey, I'm human. He didn't
Speaker 1: say it that way, but you know, the thoughts went
Speaker 1: through his mind. And then I think, I think the
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to Amari settled him down. Got into halftime
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, we're playing football. I don't need
Speaker 1: a Lamb pass though. My goodness. Yeah, I just thought
Speaker 1: that was amazing, the Ceedee Lamb touchdown. Yeah. Or the
Speaker 1: pass to Cedric Wilson, Yeah, dropped that in the bucket
Speaker 1: on the sideline line. I'm like, the one that didn't
Speaker 1: count to Zeke. Zeke goes up and snags one. It
Speaker 1: didn't count, but he goes up to snag and then
Speaker 1: it comes down and immediately dies for the first down. Now,
Speaker 1: this is these the kind of things that it's not
Speaker 1: like we were just sleep walking in all the other
Speaker 1: games prior to this year, but you just see a
Speaker 1: little extra something and just everyone seems to be lighter
Speaker 1: on their feet this year than previous years. And I
Speaker 1: have to say, guys, you know, when I dog somebody,
Speaker 1: then I wanted to be heard. But when I when
Speaker 1: I eat, I wanted to be heard too. Freaking Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown's my dude. Man, Oh, I'm glad you brought right
Speaker 1: this guy here. Boy he is. You can just see
Speaker 1: him playing differently. And I tweeted out when he did
Speaker 1: the pick six, and I always said the interceptions are contagious.
Speaker 1: They just are. You get inspired to make plays by
Speaker 1: someone that showed you the way. It doesn't take much.
Speaker 1: You already got it. The inspiration doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: that big. All you gotta do is have your eyes
Speaker 1: open and see the inspiration and then do what your self.
Speaker 1: And if you saw the sideline reaction to it was
Speaker 1: like they were more happy for him, even that d
Speaker 1: came running off the sideline jumped up and they hip
Speaker 1: bumped or wherever you want the look up the body
Speaker 1: language that you can see on Brown himself. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: when he scored, you could just see it his confidence
Speaker 1: almost a little cocky. I like that, almost as a
Speaker 1: little cocky, like I can do this, I can do this,
Speaker 1: all right. So that's what two interceptions in three games
Speaker 1: now for him, that's correct. Somebody tweeted me, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if if he was playing in nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: he'd have a consecutive game streak going inappropriate Unfortunately, unfortunately
Speaker 1: they count his tackles and he's been right. Somebody tweeted
Speaker 1: me and they said it was twenty hours ago when
Speaker 1: the tweet showed up, but it was the Cowboys need
Speaker 1: another safety or another corner on the other side. So
Speaker 1: I couldn't resist. I was like, so, you mean, like Brown,
Speaker 1: this guy Anthony that has two interceptions in three games
Speaker 1: and one back for a touchdown, that's the one you
Speaker 1: want to replace. Yeah, and let's face it, we know
Speaker 1: that that. You know, the circumstances kind of push you
Speaker 1: into that back up core the bag, you know, got it,
Speaker 1: the conceiver three years late, through all of that, and
Speaker 1: it's late and late don't matter, it don't matter. Try
Speaker 1: and make your play. That's right. And you know, the
Speaker 1: Giants they were that old school philosophy, We're going to
Speaker 1: play this game out, even though they had no chance
Speaker 1: of coming back. And and I think to their credit,
Speaker 1: actually Mike Glennon needed as many snaps because he may
Speaker 1: be their starting quarterback next week. And so yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't sit from the Cowboys perspective. I love it the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys played it all the way exactly.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know, And they got there was a
Speaker 1: there's a great amount of value in Anthony Brown picking
Speaker 1: that off, running it back from his confidence standpoint, and
Speaker 1: just the whole team stuff and seeing Dak come to
Speaker 1: great you know, that was great to see build so
Speaker 1: much content. And I've seen a lot of people try
Speaker 1: to minimize the win because well, they had giants, had
Speaker 1: all these injuries, and I'm going, hey, no one minimized
Speaker 1: the losses last year. No one minimize the Bass out
Speaker 1: because of the bass. And here's the deal. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had injuries, they were missing guys. So the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did what they should have done. That's right, right, beat
Speaker 1: them bad. That's last week when you play a bad
Speaker 1: team and it's like, oh that team's no good. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we beat them, beat them bad, and that's what
Speaker 1: should happen. And so they're four. That's the that's the show.
Speaker 1: That's the sign of a good professional playoff team. Four
Speaker 1: and one, first place in the NFC East, two game lead,
Speaker 1: and I think I looked up where's my thing? And
Speaker 1: I'll throw this in while you're looking that up. In
Speaker 1: the three game homestand in which they went three and
Speaker 1: oh they average, right, and if Indianapolis and Baltimore don't
Speaker 1: have an offensive explosion tonight. The Cowboys have scored more
Speaker 1: points in the NFL than any other team, with one seventy.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay's next at one sixty seven and Arizona's next
Speaker 1: at one fifty seven. What's Buffalo? Buffalo is at one
Speaker 1: thirty the first game miss, but they've only given up
Speaker 1: forty four points forty four in five games. They haven't
Speaker 1: seen us yet, that's right. Not not until February. Yea,
Speaker 1: oh February. Let's not get ahead. It's only four months away.
Speaker 1: We can get ahead. Long's okay, Bill's got that cart
Speaker 1: way ahead, right. I'm in Bill's card too. I'm in
Speaker 1: the backseat, all right. And we continue with more mix
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