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Speaker 3: Big news tonight, we're what three minutes away from tip

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Speaker 3: off Jason Tatum making his triumphant return to the floor

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Speaker 3: in Boston, about ten and a half months removed from

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Speaker 3: tearing his achilles in the playoffs. According to ESPN's George Saddano,

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Speaker 3: Tatum not only is he gonna play tonight, he is

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Speaker 3: gonna start and there is reportedly no minutes restriction. JT

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Speaker 3: is full go for the Boston Celtics.

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Speaker 4: You got a problem with this, huh uh?

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Speaker 5: Listen, I'm just saying the way that the conversation around

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Speaker 5: this has been presented, I think is missing, like such

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Speaker 5: a major part of it. And it goes back to

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Speaker 5: the way that you get introduced to people, like when

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Speaker 5: you get hired in as like the janitor. Very rarely

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Speaker 5: are you coming in as the CEO, and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 5: basketball reasons, all types of reasons, Jason Tatum has been

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Speaker 5: since the moment he walked into Boston has been deemed

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Speaker 5: as the guy. Really, you know what it was when

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Speaker 5: he dunked on Lebron in that Game six in the

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Speaker 5: Eastern Conference playoffs and his rookie year and ever since then,

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Speaker 5: it's been Jason Tatum is the guy. So I'm not mad,

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Speaker 5: and I think what he's done in terms of rehabbing,

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Speaker 5: in terms of coming back. Look, two hundred and ninety

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Speaker 5: eight days ago, it says that Tatum tore his achilles

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Speaker 5: and he was able to come back, and like that

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Speaker 5: is a testament to his body's Forurth thought that he

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Speaker 5: would be a year testament to his work ethic. All

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Speaker 5: of that is incredible. However, this is the thing that

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Speaker 5: I find to be fascinating is the Boston Celtics right now.

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Speaker 5: Had Jason Tatum played this entire season, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: said that they could be much better than they are

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Speaker 5: right now in terms of win losses, in terms of

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Speaker 5: the East have been one of the best teams in

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Speaker 5: the Eastern Conference. All year. Right, maybe they're the one

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Speaker 5: seasons out of the two seed, but Jalen Brown has

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Speaker 5: second highest uses rate. He was the finals MVP last year.

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Speaker 5: He is an MVP candidate this year. Has played a

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Speaker 5: ton of games. Like I get that the MVP candidacy

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Speaker 5: what that also means that Jalen Brown's been available and

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Speaker 5: he's been the guy. And now hearing the report from Saddano,

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Speaker 5: like Rob g just said that Jason Tatum is walking

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Speaker 5: seem that the conversation around it teams off to me

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Speaker 5: because the common refrain Rob has been, well, if you

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Speaker 5: gonna be that much better. If you can get Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 5: he's just gonna stand in the corner and shoot threes.

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Speaker 5: If you're gonna get the Jason Tatum that's gonna be

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Speaker 5: What I have felt about Tatum and I think if

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Speaker 5: no interest in being a role player. He has very's

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Speaker 5: Finals MVP or not winning the Finals MVP. I know

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Speaker 5: He relived them with the trophy. You're not telling me

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Speaker 6: I totally disagree, and I'm gonna say this, whenever you

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Speaker 6: And this is not coming back to the same team

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Speaker 6: because they got rid of a lot of veterans al Horford,

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Speaker 6: And you're right, Jalen Brown should be considered for the

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Speaker 6: a major factor. You always add talent. They have to

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Speaker 6: If they believe he's put in the work and he's

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Speaker 6: don't know how you don't welcome back a player of

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Speaker 4: And now the reinforcements can come.

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Speaker 6: Now the Cavalry has come, and now they can acquiesce

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 6: The game plan was him and Jalen Brown and the

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Speaker 4: Those two players. To me a healthy.

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Speaker 6: Jason Tatum, I'm swinging away from the Knicks. I'm swinging

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Speaker 6: In the postseason, they missed seventy five out of one

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Speaker 5: So that's my point. It's that is the common refrain,

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that this is a bad thing or

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Speaker 5: anything for the Boston Celtics. I'm saying just in terms of,

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Speaker 5: And part of the reason why, all right, it's because

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Speaker 5: Jayson Tatum's right on my same team. I'm just saying

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Speaker 6: I don't know, just Tatum when you think about became

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Speaker 6: just a sixth player in NBA history to lead a

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Speaker 4: Let's go to the Lions and another loss for them,

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Speaker 3: Earlier this week we talked about it, David Montgomery was

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Speaker 4: This was two.

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Speaker 3: Seasons ago, so not last season. The one before they

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Speaker 4: That other time against the forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 5: So I look at it more like the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 6: There's a seventh seed. I mean, it's a part of it.

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Speaker 4: I still think the Packers are better.

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Speaker 6: No, I do Michael Parsons, A healthy Michael Parsons for

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Speaker 6: And we'll see what the Vikings do if they able

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Speaker 6: The Vikings are so bad. They won nine games, one

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Speaker 4: That was the Lions season. You agree on that one.

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Speaker 6: That game, that's when they lost the season like that,

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Speaker 5: Guess what, They're still going to have bad quarterback and

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Speaker 5: again you say healthy Michael Parsons. Michael Parsons isn't going

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Speaker 6: I just don't have the same confidence should go from

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Speaker 4: They go, we're right back, right back to the postseason.

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Speaker 4: But the difference is I just the difference is they don't.

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Speaker 4: What are you talking about? I was the one who

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Speaker 6: I thought they were making ninety nine percent of the

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Speaker 4: That run, to me, is probably over.

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Speaker 6: And if they don't make the playoffs, again this year,

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean that I that I can't see.

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Speaker 5: Packers just aren't. The Packers are the both most mythical

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Speaker 6: Mentioned the Super Bowl, if you mentioned them going into

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Speaker 5: So how many teams do you think? So you say

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 6: But that's not what we're talking about now. I don't

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Speaker 6: We don't have free agency. I don't have any of that.

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Speaker 6: I give you the pencil. The Packers in the Tope

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Speaker 5: Well do what people? Anybody who's doing it I think

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple

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Speaker 4: We got some breaking new What's what, mister, Steve de Seger.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news from Fox Sports.

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Speaker 7: The Raiders are trading edge rusher Max Crosby to the

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Speaker 7: Baltimore Ravens for two first rounders. The one for this

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Speaker 7: year is number fourteen overall. It's not official till next week,

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Speaker 7: but certainly in place deal Raiders. Crosby to the Ravens.

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Speaker 6: Back to you, all right, Steve, Thank you Martin your

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Speaker 4: If I'm a Ravens fan, Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 5: My first take? I haven't completely digested the Ravens part

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Speaker 5: John Spytech took over and have made sense, like in

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Speaker 5: a vacuum trading Max Crosby today. I understand the logic.

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Speaker 5: You can build up for next season.

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Speaker 6: So on, and you're going to get two first round

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Speaker 5: We watch teams every year ago from worse to first.

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Speaker 5: assume at this moment in time. If you're doing that,

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Speaker 5: you better tomorrow to trade Max Rosby, Like I don't

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Speaker 5: unless the guy you get in twenty six for that

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Speaker 4: But unless there's another part of it. He didn't want

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Speaker 6: And you know, like Pat Roley once said when he

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Speaker 4: Either you're in or you're out.

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Speaker 6: And once somebody's out Martin, you got to move on

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Speaker 4: Do you know?

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Speaker 5: That's why I was asking. But that's why I say

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Speaker 4: Has the Raiders logo tattoo for life. I got it.

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Speaker 6: But he once he asked out, and he was really

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Speaker 4: You're serious about it, like this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: Team was way too good Martin to have not been

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Speaker 5: Things, and I just say a three time All pros

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Speaker 4: There's always something going wrong here.

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Speaker 6: But but Crosby is a right that ain't a wrong,

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Speaker 5: You know, like a had a guy like Max Crosby.

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Speaker 5: equivalent to a great closer in baseball. But the tricky

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Speaker 5: thing about a closer if you never are leading going

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Speaker 5: into the ninth inning. You Gonta the best one in

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Speaker 5: the world. It doesn't matter, right, And so that's why

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Speaker 5: I think that on its face, of course, you tell

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Speaker 5: him you're adding a top five pass rusher to a

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Speaker 5: That's a good idea, rob G.

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Speaker 6: From the Raiders perspective. Rob G, of course is our

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Speaker 6: was coming, you knew what was going to be painful.

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Speaker 6: But now are you mad at it? Are you happy

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Speaker 6: because you got the first round picks? And do you

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying you kind of call me the

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Speaker 3: bo Benson the Fox Sports radio. Oh don't you put

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Speaker 3: that out there. No, Martin is so righty cancer and

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Speaker 3: left right now. The Tom Brady era of Raiders football

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Speaker 3: has been bas It has been trash. He has been horrible.

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Speaker 3: He has no idea what he's doing as the lead

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Speaker 3: decision maker. You guys touched on it, Tom Brady. This

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Speaker 3: not opinion, This is factual. Look it up. Had a

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Speaker 3: personal decision. It was his decision. They ran it by him.

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Speaker 3: He hand picked. Pete Carroll fired after year one, and

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Speaker 3: we knew that was a bad high from jump Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 3: not only bringing him up from college, making him the

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Speaker 3: highest paid coordinator in football, didn't even make it through

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Speaker 3: the season. Gino Smith dumped after one season. They paid

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Speaker 3: him fifty eight million dollars the equivalent in one year

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Speaker 3: for Gino Smith.

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Speaker 5: And that's after part of it too. They vetoed Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, and now you trade away you're only good player,

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Speaker 3: a guy who, to Martin's point, wanted to be a

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Speaker 3: so much so that when they tried to shut him

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Speaker 3: I don't do that. I played football. I'm here to

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Speaker 3: win games. Put me out there, and they said no.

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Speaker 3: And now you're going to have on the heels of

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Speaker 3: last season drafting a running back in the top ten

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Speaker 3: when we have no offensive line to speak of. They're

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Speaker 3: all in now on a quarterback in Fernando Mendoza, who

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Speaker 3: most people who cover the league and are scouts and

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Speaker 3: gms if he's decatives all agree that if this was

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Speaker 3: two or three years ago, he's like the fifth quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Take it right.

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Speaker 3: But Tom Brady sees this guy who's six' five kind

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Speaker 3: of like, me kind of an underdog just like, me

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Speaker 3: really an athletic just like. Me but he's really, smart

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Speaker 3: just like. Me he's gonna be just like. Me, no

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work like, that. Bro you Have Bill belichick

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Speaker 3: year go to The Super. Bowl you Have Bill belichick

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Speaker 3: still in the signs from all these teams so you

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Speaker 3: can get to The Super bowl year after. Year and

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Speaker 3: Now Tom brady's gonna fly in in between calling games

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Speaker 3: For fox and playing flag football with The Paul, brothers

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Speaker 3: and he's expecting us to have a winning.

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Speaker 4: ORGANIZATION i don't get, it, man this is.

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Speaker 5: Embarrassing this would be a shorter flight that's not In

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Speaker 6: ALEX i Thought alex had A Fox Sports radio, tattoo

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