1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Sean made my dream come true when he named me 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Executive vice President of Football Operations. That's a guy I 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: want to be in the bunker with. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, his passion for the Jaguars, his support that 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: he shows right off the bat. You know, it's contagious. 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Tony taking over. His EVP impacts not only the coach, 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: but also impacts the front office. So look, he's in 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: a very important and prominent role. There's some real, real 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: wisdom to support and you know, security when you're with him. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, that's all I care about. 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: James Glabs though and Lamb Toue have success. Tony was 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: born for this. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: All right, Welcome into this month's EV podcast. I'm here 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: with Jaguars Executive vice President Football Operations, Tony Bcelli. John, 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: that's quite a title, but while serious and has said, 16 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: I wanted to deraise it because you've been in the 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: position two months. What have you learned about the title, 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: about the position in two months that maybe he didn't 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: know that maybe stands out for you. 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: I guess the title is always is like I don't 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: want to say secondary, but I don't think about it 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: in the overall role. Sure, and I think what I've 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: loved about the job, and you don't know until you 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: actually do it, is working with James and Liam and 25 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: the structure that Shad has set up where the three 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of us all reported him working together in collaboration. You 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: don't really know how that's going to go until you 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: do it, and that has been probably my favorite part 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: about the job. You know, obviously the things I figured 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: i'd love, I do love coming to this place every 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: day working in football, talking about the thing and focusing 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: on the thing I love, the game of football, and 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: trying to make this organization the best with everyone else 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: in this building, and then the entire organization, whether it's 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: on the football side or the business side, working together. 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: That's something I was looking forward to, and I would 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: say it's my expectations, if not exceeded, how much I 38 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: enjoy doing it. 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: You mentioned Sead how much you talk to him on 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: a continuous basis. 41 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean we're in communication. I think 42 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: the way I would kind of describe it as needed. 43 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: Sure. 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: Obviously big decisions we make, strategic decisions that we're thinking about, 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: we definitely consult with him, talk with them before big 46 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: meetings like the NFL league meetings, spend a lot of 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: time with him when he's in town, walking him through 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: what we're thinking about the draft. We did the same 49 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: thing with free agency, and so it's not daily And 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: again it's not one of those things I think and 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: think about. It's like, you know, we have, you know, 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: a cadence of check ins that we have to hit. 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: It's more of let's make sure we're communicating the big 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: decisions that are going to impact this club from a 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: strategic standpoint, and other that, I think his expectations for 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: us to go do a good job. That's what he's 57 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: put us in place for and and has asked us 58 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: to lead this organization from the football side and and 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: put a winning product on the field. 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: And pretty much whenever he wants to talk. 61 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Oh he's the boss. I mean the boss. Hey, listen, 62 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: it's his it's his club, it's his team, and he's 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: the boss. And if he wants to talk every minute 64 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: of every day, fine, that's just fine too. But he 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: I figured this again, this is one of the things 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: things you don't really know until you get into the 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: into the role, into the job. Because you're My relationship 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: with Shad for the last with thirteen years, sure or 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: so has been one thing as working in radio, helping 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: on the business side, seeing him at games, and you know, 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: obviously I'm a part of the organization, and then now 72 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: you go into a different role, which creates a different 73 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: relationship because now I'm reporting directly to him. He's you know, 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: he I guess he was always my boss, even when 75 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: I was doing radio, but now the you know, directly 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: reporting to him, working with him, making sure we're operating 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: in a way that represents this organization and the con 78 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: family and our fans in the city all very important 79 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: to myself, Liam and James. I think it's important to 80 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: everyone in this building, and if it's not, it should be. 81 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: And so he's It's been great. I've really enjoyed the 82 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: new relationship with Seod and not new in the sense 83 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: obviously I've known, as we just talked about for a while, 84 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: but you know, it's different because now I'm working directly 85 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: for him, and he gave me this opportunity, which I'm 86 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: very thankful for and I'm enjoying every second of it. 87 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: People ask me all the time. I'm sure people ask 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: everybody in this room all the time, what's it like 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: now with the change. Are somebody who asked you that 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: what do you like about what's going on? What makes 91 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: you feel good about this going forward? Because we all 92 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: feel it, but fans don't see it till it's on 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: the field, right, So what do you like? 94 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: Well, I would flip the question to you, John, okay, 95 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: because it's one thing to say what I like? I mean, 96 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: I think Liam, James and I have a very clear 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: vision of what we want to do and how we 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: want this place to operate and what we want it 99 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: to feel. 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: Like, which might be the answer right that that's I 101 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: mean actually. 102 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: And what and what it's going to look like when 103 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: we're on the grass and and how we operate in 104 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: a day to day manner. I'd ask you what's it 105 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: feel like? Because I think it's for me, it's I've 106 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: changed from doing the radio and working on the business 107 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: side now to full full time and helping lead the 108 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: football side. You're in the same seat. I mean, you've 109 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: been here a long time and I think it's interesting 110 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: and I try to talk to people that have been 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: here for a while and also new people. What's your experience? 112 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: You know, what does it feel like? You know? Because 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I think one of the things you got to be 114 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: careful of is not getting drunk on your own you know, 115 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: your own message, your own thing, because I think it's 116 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: healthy to get good community, to have good feedback, criticism, 117 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: constructive criticism of understanding what the things that we're doing, 118 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: how is it impacting the whole building, How does it 119 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: impact the whole organization. I think sometimes you try, I mean, 120 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: as myself as a leader, trying to make sure I'm 121 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: aware of that. But i'd ask you, what's it like? 122 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say probably the thing that defines it 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: that I tell people when they ask me, probably, you know, 124 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 2: for some reason, I'm locked on to James's communication. Well, 125 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: he's pretty good well, and I think that sort of 126 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: defines I think you are as well. Right, that's a strength. 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to Lim as much, but I think 128 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: that element of everybody being clear in their goals, in 129 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: the way they're going. 130 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: To do it. 131 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: There's so much more to it, but that's sort of 132 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 2: the defining part, which I think is something that you 133 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: guys well. 134 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean I think, yeah, I mean, I think if 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: you were you know, core values is something that's thrown 136 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: around a lot of times, but if you were to 137 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: think about, you know, what we want to make sure 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: is in this building, and that's clear, concise communication, right, 139 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: because that's how you build relationships. That's how you build 140 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: relationships built on trust is through you know, strong communication, direct, 141 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: honest communication. I think you nailed it with James. He's 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: world class at it. He's certainly set the bar for 143 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: me for something to go chase. As a communicator, he's 144 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: really good. Liam is a great communicator. I think a 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: lot of people in our in this organization saw that 146 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: the other day when he presented the whole culture and 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: how we're going to operate. I mean, you can see 148 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: a leader in our head coach that is has strong 149 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: convictions and has the ability to communicate that clearly, both 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: at an individual level but in a group setting to 151 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: understand like, hey, this is how we're going to operate, 152 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: this is our commitments, this is how you know the 153 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: style of play we're going to have. And so I 154 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: think one of the things that we want to make 155 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: sure throughout the building, throughout organization, throughout our locker room, 156 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: how we operate from coach to coach, coach to staff, 157 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: players to coach, players to players, players staff, all the 158 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: things vice versa is that there's open, clear lines of communication, 159 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: because I think one thing that we all believe is 160 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: that's how you start building really good relationships, which done 161 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: the right way, it's gonna help us win football games. 162 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: You mentioned Liam talking to the staff, he talked to 163 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: the players as well. I guess it was the Tuesday 164 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: the players got in. Aside from the message about communication, 165 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: the message that Liam gave them, what did players get 166 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: when they walked in this building this time? What did 167 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: they see that was different? I know it's a question 168 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: for the players as well. Sure, but what do you 169 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: think they saw what's gonna be different for them? 170 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: Well, probably just you know early in that in this 171 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: phase phase one, and a lot of new faces, some 172 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: familiar faces and new roles. Me but I hope what 173 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: they felt is a bunch of energy, positive energy, enthusiasm, 174 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: you know, you know, walking in saying hey, this feels different, 175 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: you know whatever that means. And again though it's early 176 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and well, and I think you got to get the 177 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: first steps right, because if the first steps are off, 178 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: you're going in the wrong direction really quickly. But you 179 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: got to continue down that path. You got to continue 180 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to build and don't get comfortable, you know, let's not 181 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: break our break our arms, patting ourselves in the back 182 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: because how we feel things are going so far, and 183 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: they are going well. I'm like, I'm really excited what 184 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: we've accomplished, whether it's start from you know, obviously starting 185 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: with hiring Liam and then getting James, and then we 186 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: went through free agency. You know, we're building up towards 187 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: the draft here coming up really soon. Players are back, 188 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: we can put a staff together, you know, So we're 189 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: really excited at what we've accomplished so far. But it's early, 190 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: and each day's a test. Each opportunity is a test 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: to see and it kind of test what you're building, 192 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: but also how you respond to the challenge. And we're 193 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of opportunities to see if we 194 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: can meet the standard that we're setting, both as staff members, coaches, players, 195 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: all of us. We're all in this together. So early, 196 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm happy what we've accomplished. It's exciting to have players 197 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: back in the building, you know, because you know, each 198 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: of these are steps in the progression of building a 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: championship level organization, and we got to just continue to 200 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: put the hard work in and make good decisions and 201 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: learn from our mistakes. 202 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: You liked James from the start. What do you like 203 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: about him? Now? Maybe you didn't know a month ago. 204 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,359 Speaker 2: He didn't jump out. 205 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: He's just a good dude. Yeah, I mean he's a 206 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: good dude. He's obviously he's talented or what he does. 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: He's a great communicator, smart as heck, good evaluator. I 208 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: mean all those things. You know, it was pretty clear 209 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: just from the interview process and him working here early days. 210 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: That's a cool thing to see that you can also 211 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: work with the guy. 212 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: But I enjoy the like again, you don't know this 213 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: until you go through it. So far. Now, have we 214 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: hit huge moments of adversity, have we you know, lost 215 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: a tough game that we felt like we should have won, 216 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: you know whatever, the challenges that are coming, which they 217 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: are coming, but early I enjoy coming to work every day. 218 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: And part of that's because, yes, I love the organization, 219 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: but I really like it, and I'm grown to love 220 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the guys that I'm working with. I mean, they are enjoyable. 221 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: Like James is just a if someone said, well, you know, 222 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: describe them and you can go through all the characteristics 223 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: and everything else. I think to sum it up, he's 224 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: just a good dude. 225 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: Same question for Liam, and that would be a very. 226 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: Similar, very similar answer. They're very different and I think 227 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: we're all different and James said it early. It's something 228 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: that we've all kind of and I've always believed this. 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if I would articulated exactly how I 230 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: do now, but being the best version of yourself, not 231 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: trying to be someone else. And I know we've talked 232 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: about what makes head coaches great, you know, or leaders 233 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: great in the past, and one of the things that 234 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: I've always said is great leaders are themselves. They're not 235 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: trying to be somebody else. They're not trying to put 236 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: on a facade, they're not trying. 237 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: To players since fraud pretty much. 238 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh man. I mean I've said it since the beginning 239 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: of the time. Players know in about fifteen seconds whether 240 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: you're authentic or not when you're in the of the room. 241 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I enjoy again is 242 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: I can be myself, which I think people who know 243 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: me have pretty much done that for most of the 244 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: time I've been around here. But you got two individuals 245 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: that with me and James and Liam, like, hey, we're 246 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: gonna show up every day. We're gonna try to be 247 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: the best version of ourselves. And uh and that's enjoyable. 248 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I enjoy coming to work. I enjoy working with that 249 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: type of those type of people. 250 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 2: It's been a minute, But what do you like about 251 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: free Agency? 252 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: Probably the same thing I liked last time we talked, 253 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: because we haven't seen anything yet. 254 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: I mean, well we haven't talked. I think we talked 255 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: since free agency. 256 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: Oh we have not. Okay, you and I talk a lot, 257 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: so I gotta always remember what we talked about on 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: the podcast and what you and I just talk. Listen. 259 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: I think we got better and that that's the goal. 260 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: I really like we've invested, you know, four offensive linement 261 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: and McCarry at the guard. You know, saw him when 262 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: he got he's back in the building coming back. He 263 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: looks great. Hainsey at center Cuba who's played center guard. 264 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean I said to Excoose me tackling guard. And 265 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: then big Fred Johnson was the last guy from the Eagles, 266 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: who's just a massive human being. So I really like 267 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: what we did up front. I'm biased. 268 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: It's a nastier bunch up there, right. 269 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: That's what we're hoping yeah, And what we want to 270 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: do is in all these rooms is bring competition because 271 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: great competitors love to compete, and so let's bring it 272 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: into the room. So we start competing right now. But 273 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: then you look at the rest of free agency. I 274 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: think Jordan lewis really excited about getting him in here, 275 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: just his play style, what he was able to do 276 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: both as a nickel and outside corner in Dallas. I 277 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: think him and Eric Worry make us better in the 278 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: back half. And then Diami Brown is another guy who 279 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: can take just take the top off. I mean, you 280 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: got two guys now in BT and Diami that can 281 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: really stretch defenses. They can run all three uh, they 282 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: can run routes at all three level. And so and 283 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: then we got a couple of tight ends, you know, 284 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: round out that room. So I think, and again I'm 285 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: gonna steal this from James, because you know, as the 286 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: gm is, as we were talking about free agencies, we're 287 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: gonna raise the floor, right like Withiams. 288 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: Guys who sort of gets some people around here, right like, 289 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: there's some connections absolutely matter as. 290 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Well they do. And and so we're just going to 291 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: continue to improve the roster. We did it through free agency. 292 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: The draft now is right, you know, right there getting 293 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: ready to We have ten picks, and uh we want 294 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: to continue to just uh make sure we're getting we're 295 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: becoming a better and better team every day, whether it's 296 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: the off season program and the weight room, on the 297 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: grass and the classroom, but also as we add uh 298 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: individuals to the organization. 299 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: It's so hard to pre discuss the draft because it's 300 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: all speculation and one pick changes everything. But what do 301 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: you think you'd like to see the week after the draft? 302 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Really good really good players. 303 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: Speed, in size, anything like that or is it just 304 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: that listen attributeta Yeah, I mean the attributes are always important, 305 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: there's no doubt about it. 306 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, you know, high weight, speed, length, all those 307 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: type of things. But I think what I'm looking for, 308 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: and I think what we are looking for is guys 309 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: who love the game of football are good football players. 310 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, James talks about intangibly rich individuals. I translate 311 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: that into my offensive line brain is just guys who 312 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: love ball and are just tough and want can't wait 313 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: to compete on the football field. They love the game 314 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: and they're good football players. And so that's what we're 315 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: looking for, and that's what we're gonna go find. So 316 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, SO want guys 317 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: who can help us on the grass, go compete and 318 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: be our best and win as many games as we can. 319 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: I keep thinking of Keenan whenever he says intangibly rich, Well, 320 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, great bunch of guys. 321 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, if you could have fifty three Keenan McCardell's 322 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: across the every position group, I think you'd be probably 323 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: a dang good football team. And but a lot I'm not, 324 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not sure. And Keenan was gonna beat 325 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: anyone in the forty wasn't the biggest human being, so attributes, 326 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: you know, probably was dinged in. Probably one of the 327 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: reason he's probably got drafted really really late. Wouldn't even 328 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: been drafted in the seventh round draft that we have 329 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: round pick twelve round pick. He'd been a college free agent, 330 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: one of the best Jaguars ever to play the game. 331 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: And because it's a guy who loved football, love to compete. 332 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: Was He's just a good football port, right, So that's 333 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: what that's what we're looking for. 334 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: Gotcha. One thing I want to touch base on before 335 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: we closed in the first two months. I think one 336 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 2: of the things we talked about the top for fans 337 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 2: has been how transparent the organization has been. And it's 338 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: easy to say that, it's a little harder to put 339 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,239 Speaker 2: it into action. But the hunt obviously was fantastic and 340 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: different things like that. Why so important? I assume you've 341 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: been around it, you've been a fan a little bit 342 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: of a team for a while, You've had a lot 343 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: of different roles, and you know how important it is. 344 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: But I guess put that into your words, why does 345 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: that matter to you? 346 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think it's important to communicate with 347 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: your with your fans and give the I mean, people 348 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: are curious, they love us, they love the they love 349 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: they love the organization, love the NFL, love the game 350 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: of football. So let's give them as much of a 351 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: behind the scene, behind the scene look as possible. Obviously, 352 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,479 Speaker 1: we can't be fully transparent. We're not gonna get up 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: here and tell people what we're doing in the draft, 354 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: sure and uh or free agency when that comes. For 355 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: everything that happens in the building, there's certain things just 356 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: from a competitive advantage you're not gonna or you don't 357 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: want to have it. You don't want to have a 358 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: competitive disadvantage, so you're not going to share certain things. 359 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: But if we can, if we can connect with our 360 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: fans and give them a little bit of a taste 361 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: of what's going on and give them some insights so 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: they feel like they're more connected to us, that's really 363 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: important to me, and I think it's important to the 364 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: whole organization. And what's exciting as we have a head 365 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: coach and Liam and a general manager and James who 366 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: get it. They understand it. They said, hey, listen, let's 367 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: connect with our fans. Let's give them a little bit 368 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: of a look of what we're doing. And it makes 369 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: it easier for us to do that because we have 370 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: great people in the organization. We have a great the 371 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars have a great team that put the hunt together 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: and all this information this podcast, and so when you 373 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: build that trust, and I think it helps that I've 374 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: worked with a lot of you guys for a long 375 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: long time, and so there's that trust that as an organization, 376 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: everyone in it is marching in the same direction. They're 377 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: trying to accomplish the same thing. And so because of 378 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: that collaboration, because of that trust, we're able to do 379 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: some pretty cool things and give our fans an opportunity 380 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: to see some of the day to day life of 381 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: their of their coaches, of our coaches, our players, and 382 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: some of the people in the building. 383 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if people haven't seen the Hunt, it's they 384 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: did a great job, top level stuff in terms of 385 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: access and production. 386 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: Like we should get that like on like Netflix or 387 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: something like a documentary. Sure, why not? 388 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: And I get some pay raises in this room. 389 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, let's slow down there a little bit. 390 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: Let's not get big huts. 391 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: Now they come out of a different budget. 392 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm all for it. 393 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: Then we're gonna go into the bow zone. 394 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Of stuff here. I don't want to get into the 395 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: specifics of some of it, but it's good. 396 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: Daniel from Saint John's Florida Rights. Do the Jaguars think 397 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: they solved the offensive line problem short term or do 398 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: they think that they just put duct tape on it? 399 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think either of those are the right answer. Correct. 400 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: You never solve like you're always you're always working to 401 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: get better. Big believer in the saying that you're either 402 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: getting better or getting worse. Nobody's staying the same, right, 403 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: So we're not going to be satisfied. We're gonna look 404 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: for more and more good players at every position, not 405 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: just the offensive line, but every position group. We're always 406 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: looking to improve. We're always looking for guys to come 407 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: in here and challenge and compete, because as we do that, 408 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: you know, the whole the whole team gets better. But 409 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: duct tape, No, we would. We're not going to bring 410 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: people in here that we don't have a vision for 411 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: and we don't think can help us win football game. 412 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, for background, I talked to you today that you 413 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: got these offensive linemen in here, and the excitement you 414 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: have is real. 415 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was excited about a whole free agent class. Obviously, 416 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm always going to lean towards the little uh internal 417 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: biases for the offensive line, so I'm gonna get probably 418 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: the most excited about the big guys. But I love 419 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: what we did. And no, this is not duct taping. 420 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: This isn't temporary. We're not trying to just to plug 421 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: a hole. We're trying to get better, right, and we 422 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: will always. We're not going to be satisfied, so the 423 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: building process never stops. 424 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: Now, JP from the vortex, and I don't think this 425 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: is your JP. I think this is a different JA 426 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: sure about that because he lives in the vortex. 427 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: But where's the vortex? You know? 428 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: The Ozone people are at the Ozoner different people. 429 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Good enough. 430 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: I saw we can now wear our throwbacks four times 431 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 2: this year. I guess we are getting at least four 432 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: wins this season. I'm not sure about the guarantee, but 433 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: I know you like the throwbacks. Any thoughts on that direction, 434 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: because you are in charge of uniforms. 435 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: I'll just say this, I love the throwbacks. I think 436 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: the uniforms, the jerseys whatever you want to call it, 437 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: that I wore and the teams that were here in 438 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: the nineties, those are the best jerseys. Probably I'm biased 439 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: to go by it, but it sounds like our fans 440 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: feel I have similar thoughts. So I'll just say based 441 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: on that, you can imagine that if it's up to me, 442 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: we'll try to wear those things as much as possible. 443 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: You will lean in that direction. So the last one 444 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: is interesting to me. Michael from Orange Park, Florida writes, Zone, 445 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: You've known seventy one a long time. You're seventy one, by. 446 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: The way, I think you do. 447 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: You think he knows what an need ghost system is 448 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: and is he intangibly rich? 449 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like, what's this guy's name? 450 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 2: This is Michael from Michael. 451 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Sounds like Michael's questioning my intelligence with if I understand 452 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: what an ecosystem? 453 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: Right? 454 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: I did? I graduated high school and I went to USC. 455 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, some call it the Harvard of Los Angeles 456 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: in this seat, right, some of us, I do know 457 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: what an ecosystem is? And what was the second part? 458 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: Are you intangibly rich? And I would argue that you, 459 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: even though you were a great Hall of Fame talent, 460 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: I would say you did fit James Gladstone's build intangibly 461 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: rich with the way you play. 462 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: And I'll set then I appreciate that. I'll say this 463 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: about the intangibly rich. Don't think that means somebody doesn't 464 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: have great attributes, right, I would say this like, these 465 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: are the guys guys are looking for that have there 466 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: are big, fast, long jump and are intangibly. 467 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: Like really talented intent. 468 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 3: By the way, guys, the guys most of the guys 469 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame are guys are intensely rich, 470 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: have attributes. We're just saying we value guys who love ball, 471 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: who are competitive, that are have high football IQ high 472 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: football instincts that you know that are have leadership, to 473 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 3: have toughness, that are have grit to them, Like we 474 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: value that. 475 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: We're not saying we value that over great athletes. We're 476 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: looking for both. We're hunting up for both. Like you know, 477 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: because I think I have a hard time I always 478 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: have with you turn on the tape and you watch 479 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: a guy play and you get all the background and 480 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: you're just kind of like, h not sure. And then 481 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: somehow because they go put on a pair of shorts 482 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: and a T shirt and go to the combine and 483 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: run fast, jump high, you know, you know, do all 484 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: these things right that yes have some correlation. All of 485 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: a sudden they're like, you know, they're a first rounder. 486 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't understand that you have three 487 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: four years of tape on these individuals, and after watching that, 488 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: there was nothing that got you really juiced up. And 489 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: now because they went for a weekend to Indianapolis and 490 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: ran fast or jumped high, now you think they're gonna 491 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: be a great football player when you have no evidence 492 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: of that. That's where I've always struggled from when I 493 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: was on the on the outside. So I think Ideally, 494 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for guys who are in tangibly rich and 495 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: great athletes like those are the guys that would be 496 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: fun to Let's get as many of those guys as 497 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: we can on the football team. But sometimes, guys we 498 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: talked about Keenan, My guess is Keenan wasn't. I don't 499 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: even if you got invited to combine, but if you did, 500 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: probably not you know, winning the combine because whatever Keenan ran, 501 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: it was not under four or five is my guess. 502 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: Wasn't a big human being. But you know what Keenan did. 503 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: He played football. He could just he could just flat 504 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: play and uh and was a leader and it was tough, 505 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: had grit, so like we've. 506 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: We looked to him in big moments, show up. 507 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: So we're what we're looking for is guys who have that. 508 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: We value that. We're not saying we devalue someone who 509 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: are great athletes. But let's look at the whole picture, 510 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: because we're we're not running forties, we're not we're not 511 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: doing broad jumps. We're playing football. I want and we 512 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: want good football players, guys who love it, who want 513 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: to compete every day to be the best they can be. 514 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: The best version of themselves. So like, don't mistake when 515 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: you hear in Tanziby Rich it's like, we're just looking, 516 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, for guys. 517 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: We don't care you're now looking for forty five or weeks. 518 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: This is all existence. We already got about two plays, 519 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: all right, this is probably probably not where we're looking for. 520 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: Guta Tony. As always, thank you for doing the e 521 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: V podcast and uh we'll see you next month. 522 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: Looking forward to John