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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: It is Coast to Coast AM that you are listening to.

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Speaker 1: Connie Willis with you here. Yes, absolutely. If if you've

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Speaker 1: been a part of my show's Blue Rocker, if you

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Speaker 1: are a blue rocker in Blue Rock Talk, we've been.

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Speaker 1: What we've done is we study all the different genres

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Speaker 1: across the board Bigfoot, dog man, aliens, UFOs, hauntings and

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Speaker 1: all the other different things, and we go into them

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Speaker 1: deeply and we compare notes along the way. We've noticed

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Speaker 1: they all have lights, they all have telepathy, maybe name

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Speaker 1: something differently. It's kind of like with the aliens, it's telepathy,

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Speaker 1: with the Bigfoot, it's mind speak. And then when you

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Speaker 1: get into the haunting world of ghost world, the psychic world,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, Aunt Betsy or my guide or something. Right,

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Speaker 1: So those things the board, and then you keep going

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Speaker 1: deeper and deeper into each one, and there's always some

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Speaker 1: sort of lights and orbs and things like that where

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Speaker 1: people don't even realize, oh that is true. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: Oh I did see that when I was even ghost honey,

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Speaker 1: and I did see that one. So um hey, Blue

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Speaker 1: Rock talk Connie Willis dot com check it out and

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Speaker 1: be a part of that too, and we'll get doctor

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Speaker 1: Lynn over there too. I always say, doctor Lynn, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but it's doctor Lynn. I think it's dooming. And then

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Speaker 1: Keytai right. I want to make sure I get it

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Speaker 1: all the way right. That's why I became doctor Lynn.

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Speaker 1: I was doing health reporting for DC. It's just doctor

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Speaker 1: tell her, doctor Lynne. She's good like a can of tie.

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Speaker 1: And I really appreciate Connie that you're sharing our study

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Speaker 1: which is really specific for the Phoenix lights and the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix lights, and we can talk about that more characteristics

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Speaker 1: of the orbs and the craft and there were multiple craft.

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Speaker 1: We can get into that. Most people don't know that,

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Speaker 1: but I specifically which because it's twenty six years, it's

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Speaker 1: been so long and it's so hard to find. Many

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Speaker 1: of the people have either moved or deceased that actually

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Speaker 1: were there on March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven. So if

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Speaker 1: there's anyone out there that either saw the Phoenix flights

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Speaker 1: at that time around the late nineties in the Southwest

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Speaker 1: area Southwest States, or know somebody, please please direct them

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Speaker 1: to the survey. We really, really appreciate that, and of

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Speaker 1: course everyone is welcome who had similar sightings and they're

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Speaker 1: happening worldwide. That's what's so exciting. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: that's really exciting, Connie and poignant is that we learned

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Speaker 1: from the survey that people are so eager and appreciate

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Speaker 1: taking it. I don't know if you've found that with

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Speaker 1: your survey, but people really appreciate that they can participate

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Speaker 1: and share their experience with someone who's open to hearing it,

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Speaker 1: and that in itself makes the study an important step

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Speaker 1: in getting this topic out in the open and addressing

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Speaker 1: it and accepting it and finding out after studying it,

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Speaker 1: what's really going on, and also hopefully who's driving these

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Speaker 1: things so we can move forward on our own. That's

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Speaker 1: that's right. And just to be clear, we didn't do

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Speaker 1: scientific survey. We just go out on our own. We

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Speaker 1: are there in the field, boots on the ground, and

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Speaker 1: we are talking about it, seeing it, experience in it,

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Speaker 1: and the different people doing it in the different areas.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're just putting it all together and you know,

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Speaker 1: doing it that way, it's not the scientific survey, so

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Speaker 1: I want to make that clear. But no, we're just

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Speaker 1: out there doing it and being a part of it,

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Speaker 1: and as it happens live, we're just like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: So it's really exciting that way, it's important. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is to let people share. I mean, that's one

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Speaker 1: of the main reasons I came forward, not only as

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Speaker 1: an experiencer. I know how that feels to let people

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Speaker 1: know they're not alone in this and they're not crazy.

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Speaker 1: Even know most anomalies can be explained, only a small

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Speaker 1: percentage cannot. But just because don't have the technology yet

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Speaker 1: to defendively be define what these things are, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're not real. I always that's right, looking when

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Speaker 1: the AM dial for an FM frequency, So yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good way to put it on the AM dial

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Speaker 1: looking for the FM frequency or vice versa. That's exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to say it. And you're right,

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Speaker 1: the technology isn't there for us to measure. Where we

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Speaker 1: can't measure what it is that these things are. It's different.

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Speaker 1: They're just different. They're not us. They go against all

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Speaker 1: you see things you're like, that does not compute. And

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Speaker 1: how I felt and what happened. And I love when

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Speaker 1: people deal with the evidence like you and get all

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Speaker 1: the facts, because then I don't have to. That's what

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Speaker 1: you all do. That's good for you. Lot of work,

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Speaker 1: but so one a lot of facts that people don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's right, And that's what I want to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. What are the things that people don't

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Speaker 1: know and what is it that they've got wrong? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, which which really it'll be interesting how

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Speaker 1: history's greatest mysteries, you know, take their take on the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Lights case, because there is so much miss and

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Speaker 1: disinformation out there the media, because there were thousands of

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Speaker 1: people for anybody that doesn't know out there on March thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. While the help out come, it was

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Speaker 1: very clear in the northwest sky. There were thousands of

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Speaker 1: when they also caught a glimpse of mile and according

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Speaker 1: to Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center, from

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Speaker 1: all the data that he's accumulated for the last twenty

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Speaker 1: six years, one of these objects was eight miles wide. Oh,

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Speaker 1: now we're talking about either these orbs that people would

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Speaker 1: describe and saying that the air traffic controllers described to

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Speaker 1: me as six points of light totally equidistant from each other,

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Speaker 1: what these orbs were attached to or had a force

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Speaker 1: field holding them in rock solid formation. And actually two

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Speaker 1: a unique collection of thirty five millimeter no one else

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Speaker 1: optical experts. No one can explain what they are. But

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned, Kurt Russell was coming into the airport

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Speaker 1: while I was shooting it, and on videotape he was

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Speaker 1: actually reporting it. And what came to be was technology

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Speaker 1: Not only one to eight miles wide, these orbs that

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Speaker 1: at the pictures that I took on thirty five millimeter

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Speaker 1: from ninety five nineteen ninety five, the same exact phenomena

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Speaker 1: is in the same exact location. Is I photographed two

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Speaker 1: months before the mass sighting and during the mass sighting

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Speaker 1: when we were focused on the close orbs in a

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Speaker 1: pyramid formation right outside our bedroom window. That's the whole

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Speaker 1: story in itself. But they were there two years before,

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Speaker 1: the same exact thing, in the same exact location, So

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Speaker 1: they've been around a long time in native cultures in

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Speaker 1: Arizona and worldwide. Indigenous cultures here believe that these orbs

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Speaker 1: are either spirit world or ancestors coming to give them

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Speaker 1: guidance and knowledge and inspiration. And I have to admit first,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I would have never chosen to do this.

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Speaker 1: and that's how the Astray has got its name. The

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Speaker 1: native culture is right there are the HeLa shared with

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Speaker 1: me that the Spaniards of the day that saw these

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Speaker 1: the austraya mountain range, and believe that there's a portal

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Speaker 1: you'll see these phenoma keep popping up in that area,

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Speaker 1: which is quite riveting. In and of itself. But talking

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Speaker 1: amazing is after a twelve years study of hundreds of reports,

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Speaker 1: two or more people had to see the same craft.

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Speaker 1: People were seeing actual craft at rooftop level thirty miles

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Speaker 1: illustrations by Larry Lowe and also animation. One of the

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Speaker 1: other things, yeah, okay, I see it, okay, Governor by

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. In fact, as in his remote viewing,

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Speaker 1: their calls to Air Force base or the news or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But in actuality, the main the sighting began at three

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