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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk some basketball. So, just like every other,

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Speaker 1: then cut back towards the basketball along the baseline, got

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Speaker 1: just enough separation, and then we're talking about arguably the

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Speaker 1: best fade away jump shooter of this era, depending on

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Speaker 1: who you ask. He's definitely like, this is this guy

434
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Speaker 1: who's made his entire living in the NBA off of

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Speaker 1: right shoulder and left shoulder fades in that mid range area,

436
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Speaker 1: hits that right shoulder fade over the hits the right

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Speaker 1: shoulder fade along the baseline, sends the game to ot

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Speaker 1: when we go into overtime. Really became about Demart Rosen

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Speaker 1: picking on Myles Turner and switches, setting ball screens, getting

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Speaker 1: Turner on switches, and he was just hitting those classic

441
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Speaker 1: crossover moves to just get a little bit of separation

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Speaker 1: to elevate knockdown mid range jump shots. Then as a

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Speaker 1: result of that, the Pacers had to start doubling, which

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Speaker 1: is something we'll come back to in a second. On

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Speaker 1: the other end of the floor, Pacers hit a couple

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Speaker 1: of pick and pop threes for Miles Turner. It was

447
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Speaker 1: the one action that they just could not figure out.

448
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: Saliburn's coming off. Uzovich is having to show and many

449
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Speaker 1: times switch and then the only way they could avoid

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Speaker 1: that kickback past the Turner was to switch, which would

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Speaker 1: then end up in a double team anyway. So they

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Speaker 1: were in a real predicament on that specific front, just

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Speaker 1: guarding and dealing with Tyris Alburt and pick and roll.

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Speaker 1: But the couple of Turner threes keep the Pacers in front,

455
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Speaker 1: and then to Marta Rosen just hits a nasty hesitation

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Speaker 1: pull up three over Pascal Siakam to put the bulls up.

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Speaker 1: Then the Pacers start f garding to Rosen because he's

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Speaker 1: got forty five points at this point, so they need

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Speaker 1: someone else to get a bucket. Musevich just takes Turner

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Speaker 1: to task in ISO, hits a right shoulder fade. Then

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Speaker 1: I would assume move drove right by Tyre. Saliburton in

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Speaker 1: an ISO just dusted him off the dribble and got

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Speaker 1: a layup, And then again on the other end of

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Speaker 1: the floor whenever they went back to switching that pick

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Speaker 1: and roll to stop Turner from getting those picking pop threes,

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Speaker 1: and when they did that once again, it just kept

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Speaker 1: ending up at Andrew Nemmar's hands too far away from

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Speaker 1: the basket. So the Pacers need to do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of work on how to deal with just late

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Speaker 1: double teams on ISOs when Helliburton's picking on the big man,

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Speaker 1: just like maybe having nem hard instead of sitting out

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Speaker 1: that far from the three point line, having somebody flash

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Speaker 1: cut to an opening that's closer to the ball so

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Speaker 1: that maybe they can get something that's a little bit

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Speaker 1: more going towards the rim. Siakam did hit a move

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Speaker 1: on Craig on a baseline out of bounds to get

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Speaker 1: it to two with forty two seconds left. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that kind of sucked in this game is

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Speaker 1: on that crazy Siakam block at the end of regulation.

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Speaker 1: He landed on top of Kobe White. Looked like he

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Speaker 1: tweaked his knee. I couldn't find any information on what

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Speaker 1: the injury update was with Kobe White, so hopefully he's okay.

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Speaker 1: But Toy Craig came back into the game with h

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Speaker 1: with Uh in overtime and Uh Siakim hit a bucket

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Speaker 1: on him to put it back to two. DeMar DeRozan

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Speaker 1: dribbling at the kind of out by half court, they

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Speaker 1: throw a late double team, Adam Cruso slips the ball

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Speaker 1: screen throws in his cruise. So it's a textbook four

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Speaker 1: on three situation. I had assume we just kind of

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Speaker 1: sneaks along the baseline and finds a little opening on

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Speaker 1: the left side of the basket, gets a layup, and

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Speaker 1: the game is over. A couple of things. Hopefully Kobe

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Speaker 1: White is okay. Like we talked about earlier, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to focus before we get a move on from this game.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about just something that Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 1: talked about after the game, the idea of like minor mistakes,

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Speaker 1: and you know he mentioned after the game we were

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Speaker 1: one rebound away from winning and he's right. If they

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Speaker 1: if Obi topping instead of tapping out that free throw rebound,

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Speaker 1: if he just grabs it and gets fouled, the Pacers

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Speaker 1: win this game. Now is how well they played. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, when we look at games like this,

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Speaker 1: in particular, game that are just super back and forth

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Speaker 1: and both teams have multiple leads late, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: harder to focus on big picture things because, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: either team could have won this game. Again, like Pacers

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Speaker 1: do a basic thing like grabbing a free throw rebound,

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Speaker 1: they just win and then it's an entirely different vibe

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Speaker 1: coming out of this game. And so what I like

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Speaker 1: to focus on when we look at games like this

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Speaker 1: is why attention to detail is so important on the

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Speaker 1: little things, because, yes, you're right, in these kinds of games,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of like maybe Demarta Rosen makes the

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Speaker 1: crazy right shoulder fade, maybe Miles Turner is making the

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Speaker 1: pick and pop three. There's a lot of like make

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Speaker 1: and miss type of stuff going on that's a little

517
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Speaker 1: bit outside of your control. Obviously, it's inside of your

518
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Speaker 1: control to work for the best possible shots. It's inside

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Speaker 1: of your control defensively to make as many things as

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Speaker 1: difficult as possible, but there are also some things in

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Speaker 1: that element that are out of your control in terms

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Speaker 1: of makes and misses as far as the details go, though,

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Speaker 1: that's where if you are sharp on the little things,

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Speaker 1: you buy yourselves the margin for air, for maybe for

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Speaker 1: someone to make a big shot for the other team,

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Speaker 1: or maybe for you to miss a big shot for

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Speaker 1: your team. For example, the free throw rebound, that's a

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Speaker 1: we don't need to get any further into it, just

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Speaker 1: sticking to your fundamentals. Having someone box out the shooter,

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Speaker 1: pinching on the best, pinching on the the best, bigger

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of forward that they have on the block,

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Speaker 1: bringing the guy in, crashing from behind the free throw shoot,

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Speaker 1: or whatever you gotta do. You got to secure your

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Speaker 1: rebound there, right, Also a missed rotation on the double team.

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Speaker 1: When they double team tomart Rosen out tops a two

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Speaker 1: point game, they get to stop there, they have a

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Speaker 1: chance to go down. They all eyes are on the ball,

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Speaker 1: though no one's tracking the other off ball defenders, and

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Speaker 1: dessu Mo sneaks along the baseline, and like the one

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Speaker 1: thing you can't give up in a four on three

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Speaker 1: is a layup. You got to make someone make a

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Speaker 1: jump shot in that situation. Even on the bulls front,

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Speaker 1: like that lineup decision, Tory Craig I actually thought was

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Speaker 1: doing a solid job on Pascal Siakam and at the

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Speaker 1: very least you could leave him in single coverage. He

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Speaker 1: had actually stonewall Desiakam a couple of times there down

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Speaker 1: the stretch, and regulation they take out of the game

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Speaker 1: and going with dis Soon Mu put them at the four.

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Speaker 1: And one of the biggest possessions of the game was

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Speaker 1: when it was one twelve, one oh nine in Siakam

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Speaker 1: just because de Soon was at the four has to

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Speaker 1: has a huge mismatch in size on dis Soon. MoU

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Speaker 1: just takes him down to the block and draws a

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Speaker 1: double team and the ball gets worked around a Miles

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Speaker 1: Turner for three on the left wing. So even on

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Speaker 1: the coaching side of things, like a little decision here,

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Speaker 1: a little decision there, goes a long way in these

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Speaker 1: kinds of games. And that's why when you see me

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Speaker 1: harp on on on teams like Denver and their execution,

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Speaker 1: that's why because like a lot of playoff games look

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Speaker 1: like that, a lot of playoffs series look like that.

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Speaker 1: They are determined by the slightest of margins, and so

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Speaker 1: you know, the execution piece, the the like, attention to

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Speaker 1: detail piece, those sorts of things tend to be difference makers.

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Speaker 1: And when you get to the latest levels of the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I focus on those things so well,

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Speaker 1: they're really fun game like just like classic NBA regular

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Speaker 1: season gem there from the Pacers and the Bulls. Really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching that game this morning. All right, let's move

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Speaker 1: on or a mail bag and then we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: out here for the day. Hey, Jason, love your show.

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed that almost all of the best teams

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Speaker 1: in both conferences have most or all of their core

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Speaker 1: players in their prime twenty five to thirty two Denver, Boston, Cleveland, Minnesota, Phoenix, Dallas,

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Speaker 1: New York, et cetera. Okay, See and the Clippers are

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Speaker 1: the exceptions, but Shay's clearly in his prime as well

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Speaker 1: as the Clippers' role players. Looking at Golden State and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, it's no coincidence that they have struggled so much,

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Speaker 1: since the Dubs only have Wiggins in his prime and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers just d Loan reefs Ad is clearly on

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Speaker 1: the decline since twenty twenty. It seems that constructing a

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Speaker 1: roster with all the court players on the same timeline

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Speaker 1: is the biggest factor twinning, which means Oklahoma City, Orlando,

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Speaker 1: and Indiana could dominate in the late twenty twenties. Curious

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Speaker 1: about your thoughts on this. Yeah, so a couple things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, and this is a big thing that

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Speaker 1: kind of shoot out to me just watching Pacers Bulls

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Speaker 1: as the way the game has changed, the sheer amount

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Speaker 1: of perimeter talent and speed has made it so that

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Speaker 1: older teams, I think struggle just to keep up defensively

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Speaker 1: now in a way that they didn't used to. Like,

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Speaker 1: you really got to get up for these games defensively

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Speaker 1: against some of these quicker teams on the perimeter. So

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Speaker 1: many teams around the league now are running five out offense.

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Speaker 1: I won't get into it right now, because we did

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Speaker 1: a little bit we did like two summers ago, I

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Speaker 1: think we did a breakdown on five out offense. But

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Speaker 1: like the gist of it is the in a five

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Speaker 1: out offense, you're leaving the paint unoccupied and you're getting

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Speaker 1: into the paint on rolls and drives. What that means

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00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: is is like your big man, whoever your vertical spacer is,

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Speaker 1: he's operating out on the perimeter, running dribble handoffs and

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Speaker 1: ball screens and then rolling into the paint rather than

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Speaker 1: waiting in the paint and then coming up to set

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Speaker 1: a ball screen or waiting in the paint, you know,

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Speaker 1: to sit in the dunker spot. And then there's tons

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Speaker 1: of different actions and entries like you can get into

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Speaker 1: five out from pistol, you can get into five out

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00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: from horns, you can do that kind of thing. But

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Speaker 1: the gist of it is all five players are on

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Speaker 1: the perimeter and the paint is left open so that

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Speaker 1: guys can roll into it and guys can drive into it,

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Speaker 1: and then from there it's everyone's involved. They're interchangeable spots.

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Speaker 1: You know, all of your perimeter players are able to

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Speaker 1: run a dribble handoff or to run a ball screen.

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Speaker 1: Whereas like a four out offense is much more like

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Speaker 1: think about like what like what Dallas runs. It's much

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Speaker 1: more of like a brute force. Like our primary ball

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Speaker 1: handler and our secondary ball handler, two guys in the corner.

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Speaker 1: They do nothing but shoot, and we're gonna come set up.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come and set a ball screen, and we're

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Speaker 1: from the guy starting under the basket to come set

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Speaker 1: the screen. It's just brute force basketball. And usually there's

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Speaker 1: only four perimeter spots occupied. It's not equal opportunity. The

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Speaker 1: guys in the corners are just in the corners the

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Speaker 1: guys at top or the guys running the action, and

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Speaker 1: so that's kind of the difference. And as most of

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Speaker 1: the league has gone into five out style of play,

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Speaker 1: or at least it's trending in that direction, you had

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Speaker 1: five out basketball with a ton of quick guards and

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Speaker 1: a ton of speed and skill. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the dudes that are in their thirties that their legs

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00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: don't get as warm as they used to on a

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Speaker 1: nightly basis. They struggle to guard. Now that is something

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind as well, then when we get

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Speaker 1: to the postseason, because when we get into the postseason,

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00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: the effort gap shrinks, and then those veteran teams do

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00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: have advantages vperience and skill. So I think it's I

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00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: don't think it's smart to write off all those veteran teams,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it's something to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about regular season basketball. Older, slower teams

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00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: are going to really start to struggle in the NBA

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Speaker 1: regular season. I truly believe that. Next question, Hi, Jason,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to know how you assess off ball three

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Speaker 1: and D cutting players. For example, archetypes like ball dominant

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Speaker 1: shot creators or rim runners shot blockers. Is easier to

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Speaker 1: see how they affect the game, and there's always the

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Speaker 1: usual metrics that are used to measure their efficiency and usage.

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Speaker 1: For the off ball archetype, those usual metrics and eye

650
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Speaker 1: tests don't always work. Just because you come off of

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Speaker 1: these curl screens and back doors doesn't mean you always

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Speaker 1: receive the pass or the passes and screens aren't great. Plus,

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Speaker 1: your team context matters. If your team is a heavy

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Speaker 1: ISO or post upcentric team, your effectiveness likely won't be

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Speaker 1: as good or as a similarly graded off ball player

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Speaker 1: whose team is, say, driving kick centric. Every championship team

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Speaker 1: has prioritized off ball threats, so quality players that fit

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Speaker 1: this molder super valuable. I just feel that often the

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Speaker 1: archetype is undervalued in the draft, and perhaps a reason

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Speaker 1: why it's not clear how to measure this this style

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Speaker 1: compared to other archetypes. Thanks again for all the content,

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Speaker 1: so I think like when it comes to the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it. We talked about five out offense

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Speaker 1: a second ago. So let's take two offenses. For example,

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Speaker 1: Let's say Golden State five out offense and let's take

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Speaker 1: Dallas more of a brute force four out one in offense.

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Speaker 1: Right in, the role players you need in both systems

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Speaker 1: are very different. Okay, so five out basketball is primarily

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Speaker 1: read and react. Well that means is there's a ton

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Speaker 1: of like improvisational basketball going on. I'm gonna backdoor cut

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Speaker 1: here when he's overplaying me, right, Like this is the

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Speaker 1: two man action coming off of a screen. If I

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Speaker 1: see this, I slip. If I don't see this, I

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Speaker 1: go over the top. Like if I see this, maybe

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Speaker 1: I turn a pin down for the other guy to

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Speaker 1: run off and then I slip or whatever. It is,

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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of read and react basketball taking place.

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Speaker 1: Same thing goes for the the big guy on the ball, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if he sees and if he sees his defender sagging

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Speaker 1: back and he has an opportunity to set a good screen,

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Speaker 1: you want to throw the dribble pit if you see

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Speaker 1: your defender showing high and the guy's chasing you want

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Speaker 1: to fake the dribble hand off and then turn and

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Speaker 1: go to the basket. That's a read that Draymond Green's

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Speaker 1: really good at, for instance. Right, So everything in the

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Speaker 1: five out is read and react, and the four out

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Speaker 1: one in it's way less about read and react and

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Speaker 1: way more about play finishing. What that means is like,

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Speaker 1: the only guy really making reads is the Luca or

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie in that situation. Right, he's got the ball,

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Speaker 1: he's dribbling up at the left wing. He's calling Derek

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Speaker 1: Lively to come up and set the screen. All of

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Speaker 1: the other guys have the exact same job. Left corner.

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Speaker 1: If it's Josh Green, he's spotting up, right corner. If

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Speaker 1: it's PJ. Washington, he's spotting up Kyrie Irving second side creator.

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Speaker 1: He's in the right wing, he's spotting up Derek Gliley's

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Speaker 1: going to come set a ball screen. As soon as

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Speaker 1: he sets the screen, he's rolling hard to the basket. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if the action gets shut down, maybe Luca will swing

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Speaker 1: to Kyrie. Luca will run back out to the left wing.

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Speaker 1: Two guys will stay in the corner. Derek Gliveley will

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Speaker 1: up and set the next screen. It's the exact same

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Speaker 1: damn thing, right Like, that's it's very brute force, right,

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Speaker 1: So the only thing Derek Lively has to do is

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Speaker 1: screen and roll hard and have the vertical spacing element.

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Speaker 1: The only thing Josh Green needs to do is hit

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Speaker 1: a corner three or attack of close out. The only

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Speaker 1: thing PJ. Washington needs to do is hit a three

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Speaker 1: or attack to close out Kyrie Irving hit a three

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Speaker 1: attack to close out, or if the ball gets swung

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Speaker 1: to you run the next ball screen. So it's super simplified.

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Speaker 1: So what matters so much more in that four out

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Speaker 1: one end system is those guys that are spacing hand

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Speaker 1: they knock down threes in attack closeouts, much more simplified.

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Speaker 1: For the screen and roll guy, does he have the

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Speaker 1: ability to set good screens and roll hard to the

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Speaker 1: rim and provide vertical spacing with good hands and verticality? Right? Like?

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Speaker 1: Does he have those abilities? So like, when I'm evaluating

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Speaker 1: a role player for that system, I'm really going to

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Speaker 1: be looking at things like, you know, spot up points

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Speaker 1: per possession, just like a simple thing that just evaluates

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Speaker 1: how good this guy is at converting spot up opportunities.

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Speaker 1: A guy who's a great spot up player is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a great read and react player. Those are two

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Speaker 1: potentially different things. I'm going to be leaning on metrics

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00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: a lot more there for reading reacted so much more

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Speaker 1: about the eye test. In my opinion, it's so much

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Speaker 1: more about watching a player play in his system, seeing

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Speaker 1: whether or not he's good at interpreting what's happening on

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Speaker 1: the floor quickly. And then if you're looking at him

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Speaker 1: in free agency and you're a five out offense, maybe

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy that you want to target.

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Speaker 1: But again, read and react, everybody's got to be able

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Speaker 1: to do so many different things versus brute force. I've

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Speaker 1: got play starters and play finishers, and that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's an explanation that kind of hits at what

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Speaker 1: you were getting at in that question. Have you noticed

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Speaker 1: a change in NBA players shot making in the last

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Speaker 1: two years. Seems like there's been a breakthrough in sports

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Speaker 1: psychology and these players can enter and stay in a

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Speaker 1: flow state, allowing the offense and shooting efficiency to explode.

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Speaker 1: Hope you can ask an NBA player if you ever

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Speaker 1: get the chance. I will if we ever get an

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Speaker 1: NBA player on the show, as hard as shot making goes.

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Speaker 1: I talked about this a little bit yesterday. You know,

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Speaker 1: every single bit of shot making is actually just fundamental

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Speaker 1: basketball attached in chains. What that means is like, let's say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, I hit a James Harden style, you know,

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Speaker 1: like in and out out crossover, aggressive step forward, step

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Speaker 1: back to my left, pull up jump shot right Like,

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Speaker 1: that's an advanced piece of shot making put together by

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Speaker 1: James Harden. Right, But if you really break it down,

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Speaker 1: it's a hard in and out dribble that's a fundamental thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a crossover dribble that's a fundamental thing. It's an

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Speaker 1: advanced dribble with a hard right foot step to step back.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from James Harden. He's a lefty.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it for me as a righty. But

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Speaker 1: that hard right step forward in that step back, and

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Speaker 1: then there's a footwork element to getting my base sets

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Speaker 1: so that I can go straight up and down on

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Speaker 1: the move. And if I make the move properly, I

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Speaker 1: will go straight up and down. And if I took

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Speaker 1: a video of just the end of that shot, it's

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00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: going to look just like a catch and shoot jumper

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Speaker 1: at least that's the way it is for me. So

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Speaker 1: like that is a bunch of fundamentals attached together. There

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Speaker 1: are certain things in basketball that have existed forever, and

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Speaker 1: what's happening is NBA players are finding new ways to

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00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of daisy chain those things together and make new

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Speaker 1: ways to score the basketball. It's like even like just

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Speaker 1: the idea of like hitting three point shots in ball screens,

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Speaker 1: which is a thing that used to just basically not

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Speaker 1: be a thing in the NBA fifteen years ago, and

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00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: now it's like a must for any sort of primary

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Speaker 1: ball handler to be able to punish teams that die

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Speaker 1: on screens or go under screens. Right. Really, it's the

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00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: same exact thing your high hesitation, which is a fundamental thing.

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Speaker 1: And then oh the defender got caught, or oh I

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00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: have maybe a little bit of space. If the defender

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Speaker 1: got caught, I could just elevate from there. If I

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00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: need to advance to get a little further up so

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Speaker 1: that he can't back pressure, it's a wonderable pull up.

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Speaker 1: It's just a wonderable pull up. These are all fundamental

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00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: things that people have attached together. But over time, everyone's

785
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: got the existing manual from the last group of players,

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00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: so like you know, the like the new generation learned

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Speaker 1: from Lebron's generation. Lebron's generation learn from Kobe's generation. Kobe's

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00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: the generation learn from MJ's generation. MJ generation learn from

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Speaker 1: Bird and Magic and so on and so forth, and

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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: so they're all just building on each other and it's stacking,

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00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: and it's stacking, and that's how basketball players are getting better.

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Speaker 1: Two more and then we're out of here. Hey, Jason,

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Speaker 1: can you explain how Delo's dribbling is legal? To me,

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Speaker 1: as a relatively unexperienced fan, it seems like every few

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Speaker 1: dribbles he holds the ball, Remember he's not supposed to

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Speaker 1: do that, and then he lets it go and it

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00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: drops back to the floor. I hope you can picture

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Speaker 1: what I mean in my head. I see it clearly.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for these mailbag sessions. I know you can't get

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Speaker 1: to everything, but I wish you. But I wish you could.

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: Since I have a ton more questions, keep asking them.

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00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: Like again, I'm not gonna get to every single question,

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00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: but we're gonna keep doing them throughout the season, and

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Speaker 1: so I will try to eventually get to as many

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: as I can. Over time, every NBA player carries like

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00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: it's if you really slow down the ball handling for literally,

807
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: and like some guys are worse than others, like Katie's

808
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: another guy who like really kind of holds it under

809
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: his hand when he does his high hesitation. But the

810
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: thing is is like it it's legal by interpretation, meaning

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Speaker 1: like the refs just allow it around the league, and

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00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: so like again, like I don't get upset about anybody

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00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: around the league doing it because it's literally something that

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00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: every single team has two or three guys that do,

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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Last question, after their twenty two championship,

816
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: you praise the Warriors for roster praise the Warriors roster

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00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: building in patience, and you said that you appreciated that

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Speaker 1: good process from owner's front office and coaching staff and

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Speaker 1: even players that led to success. Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: the Warriors are still abiding by that process or do

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Speaker 1: you feel like they've been winging it since things have

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Speaker 1: gone south after the punch, especially after Bob Meyers, who

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Speaker 1: you praised in that June twenty two video left, If

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Speaker 1: you do trust that they're still abiding by that process.

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Speaker 1: JK has been bolling, Moody's been good drafting Brandon Pitzamski

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Speaker 1: and Trace Jackson Davis. How much of a chance compared

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Speaker 1: to back in twenty twenty two do you give them

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Speaker 1: to reach their ultimate goal again this year or next

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Speaker 1: year or however long Steph, Drey and Clay may still

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Speaker 1: play a couple of things. So, first of all, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was critical of the Warriors after the during the

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Speaker 1: twenty two run, just because I'm a big pusher chips

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the table guy. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: believer that like, winning an NBA championship is super hard,

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Speaker 1: and the last thing you want to do is lose

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Speaker 1: in a series where you didn't have enough firepower and

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Speaker 1: you had trade assets available that you held on too.

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, like the winner gets to tell

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Speaker 1: the story. There's a version of that where they lose

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00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: to Boston and you're like, we didn't play Jonathan Kamingo,

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00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: didn't play James Wiseman, we didn't play Moses Moody. This

842
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: was this was a waste. We didn't get anything out

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00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: of this, right, Like, there's a version of that where

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00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: that's what happened. That's not what happened. Though Steph Curry

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Speaker 1: was amazing in Game four. They they won the series,

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Speaker 1: and so now you get the trophy and you get

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Speaker 1: all of the assets that come from it. From there,

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00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: it's been tricky because they have not had enough firepower

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00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four season. Now,

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Speaker 1: for the first year and a half of that stretch,

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Speaker 1: I was a big advocate of making a trade because

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Speaker 1: I thought Steph, you know, think Steph is still at

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Speaker 1: the top of that you know, kind of seven or

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00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: eight players in the NBA, and you got to give

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Speaker 1: that dude a chance to win a championship because he's

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Speaker 1: one of the rare players who's capable of doing it.

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Speaker 1: But what happened was is in the middle of this season,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kaminga took a leap. And once Jonathan Kaminga took

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Speaker 1: a leap, a real leap, a leap that makes you

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Speaker 1: believe legitimately he can be probably the second best player

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Speaker 1: on a championship team one day at some point in

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Speaker 1: his career. Once you see that, that changes the calculus,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, it's like, ugh, like

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Speaker 1: whatever minuscule improvement we get through making some sort of trade,

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Speaker 1: it actually makes more sense to kind of hang on

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Speaker 1: to these guys and see what they how it develops.

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Speaker 1: And so again, like there might have been a point

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Speaker 1: before Jonathan Aminga's you know, seven straight twenty plus point

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Speaker 1: games or whatever, there might have been a point during

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Speaker 1: that phase where it made sense to move him to

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Speaker 1: try to bring in more firepower. But you know, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, new information came into the equation,

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Speaker 1: and now the Warriors are kind of in a situation

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Speaker 1: where like, here's the deal focusing on this season, Do

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Speaker 1: I think they have much of a chance? No, there

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Speaker 1: they don't have a legitimate secondary, like a reliable secondary

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Speaker 1: option at this point in terms of a guy that

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Speaker 1: you can count on for four playoff rounds to give

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Speaker 1: you reliable scoring, which that was kind of Andrew Wiggins

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Speaker 1: and Jordan Poole combined in the twenty twenty two playoff run.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Poole's not here anymore, and Klay Thompson is not

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Speaker 1: the same player that he used to be. Andrew Wiggins

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Speaker 1: is not the same player that he used to be,

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Speaker 1: and so they just don't have the same amount of

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Speaker 1: firepower that they had then. Even like little things like

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Speaker 1: a guy like out of Porter Junior, who was super

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Speaker 1: valuable in that particular season, right, Like they just aren't

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Speaker 1: as as deep with like reliable playoff guys. That said,

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Speaker 1: I still think it's a really encouraging time to be

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Speaker 1: a Warriors fan. Because Jonathan Minga is so good, Because

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry still has years left, right, because Tray Jackson

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Speaker 1: Davis has been a revelation, because Moses Moody is a

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Speaker 1: guy that can defend on the perimeter and has them

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Speaker 1: off the dribble popp and can knock down spot of three.

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Speaker 1: It's like they've got a lot of encouraging stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: more of a big picture move at this point where

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Speaker 1: you're kind of hoping that you can overlap some of

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Speaker 1: these young guys getting into their prime with the tail

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Speaker 1: end of Steph's prime and maybe find a year in

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Speaker 1: there where you can sneak to the top. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: that is all I have for today has always been

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Speaker 1: sincerely appreciate you for supporting the show when we're we

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Speaker 1: have two more shows this week. We're going tomorrow morning

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Speaker 1: breaking down Celtic Suns and then on Saturday night Lakers

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Speaker 1: Warriors Live on YouTube. After the final buzzer, I will

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Speaker 1: see you guys tomorrow morning. The volume,