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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone, Welcome to Breaking Points. We've got Ryan

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Speaker 1: Grim in for soccer this morning because Sager just got

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Speaker 1: married this weekend. Congratulations to Sager and Jillian.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations Sager. I'm sure he's bothered to be missing this week.

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Speaker 3: Got to miss it, what better reason.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling wedding and if Jillian wouldn't instantly

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Speaker 1: He is, Sager and Jillian. They did a part Indian

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Speaker 1: a few things to get to this morning, a little

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Speaker 1: So Democrats are very predictably now they're out with Joe

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Speaker 1: played out with that very close end team.

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Speaker 4: It has been pretty well reported by the people on

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Speaker 4: the Biden b who had very tough three years because

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Speaker 4: the White House gave them nothing. They got to know

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Speaker 4: who Biden took Seriously, this was stever shetty. This is

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Speaker 4: Mike donaldan Valerie Biden, his sister Jill, his wife to

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Speaker 4: an extent Hunter, which was not good for the Biden

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Speaker 4: campaign once that word got out that.

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Speaker 3: Hunters Biden was involved in this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were mostly in pen trouble because they thought

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Speaker 4: that and this is pretty well reported over the last

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Speaker 4: couple days. People had been wrong about Biden enough times

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Speaker 4: that they were not confident that they were right this time.

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Speaker 4: There was sure there was bad polling, but the same

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Speaker 4: people that some of the literally same members of Congress

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Speaker 4: and pondits had said Biden can win, and he could,

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Speaker 4: and that fell apart as more information penetrated the cell

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Speaker 4: wall and got to these guys. To what you were

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Speaker 4: saying before, though, there was no perfect way for Biden

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Speaker 4: to leave once he decided to speak the nomination again.

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Speaker 4: What he's getting now.

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Speaker 3: Is I think an echo of what he would have.

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Speaker 4: Gotten in twenty point three if he said I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to run again and everyone I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think people had talking points.

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Speaker 4: They dust it off. They're writing newly today. But that

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Speaker 4: was always going to be how they moved on from Biden.

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Speaker 4: If he decided not to run again. He complicated it

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Speaker 4: by running by winning the nomination night. I noticed that

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Speaker 4: the chairman of Minnesota DFL, when he was endorsing the

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Speaker 4: Harris tickets, that fifty million Democratic primary voters already endorsed

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Speaker 4: the Biden Harris ticket. That's kind of how they're advancing

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Speaker 4: this and saying that, well, this is not anti democratic,

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Speaker 4: because everyone assumed who voted for Biden that Harris was

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Speaker 4: on deck, and let's not talk too loudly about this,

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Speaker 4: that Harris might have servi as president because the president

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Speaker 4: was in his eighties. That's how they're they're pitching it.

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Speaker 4: But yes, that would have been easier had Biden been

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Speaker 4: talked down in twenty twenty three. But at that point,

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Speaker 4: it's easy to blame this inner circle. Now, at that point,

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Speaker 4: lots of Democrats, even off the record, was saying, yes,

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Speaker 4: the Biden they saw most of the time was on

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Speaker 4: the ball enough that he could win another election. He'd

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Speaker 4: beaten Trump before he could do it again. What you're

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Speaker 4: going to keep seeing is a discussion of when he declined,

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Speaker 4: and Republicans would say it started five years ago. He

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Speaker 4: certainly was worse than twenty twenty. He wasn't sixteen. But

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Speaker 4: really talking to Democrats outside the Biden circle trying to

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Speaker 4: get in a year or they were much more confident

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Speaker 4: that Biden could pull things together the State of the Union.

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Speaker 4: You remember the hot mic on on Jerry Nadler. This

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Speaker 4: is telling Biden I been talking about to mention now

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Speaker 4: they were just they wanted him to be better. So

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Speaker 4: Biden went from having a close circle that believed this,

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Speaker 4: and Democrats outside of it who wanted to believe it,

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Speaker 4: to a close circle who believed it, and no one

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Speaker 4: else believing it. All those Democrats were hoping for the

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Speaker 4: best abandon them, and just enough of them frushed in

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Speaker 4: at the last. In the last two weeks for the

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Speaker 4: new me, evinced, we have no party anymore. They're not

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Speaker 4: going to support us. Dave, what's what's your VP of

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Speaker 4: handicapping you? What are you hearing?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I've still it's still been the governors we heard about

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Speaker 4: in the last last few days. That's that's Roy Cooper,

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Speaker 4: that's Josh Shapiro, that's Andy Bashier. This year, I funny

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Speaker 4: enough has the least the fewest weaknesses. It's the fewest

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Speaker 4: risks because if he becomes he has a Republican super

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Speaker 4: majority legislator in Kentucky. If he became vice president, the

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Speaker 4: Democratic lieutenant governor becomes governor, no real change there. If

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Speaker 4: it's if it's Shapiro, the Republican lieutenant governor becomes sorry,

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Speaker 4: Republican president senate becomes lieutenant governor, is a Democratic governor.

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Speaker 4: If it's Cooper, when he's out of that, he's retiring.

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Speaker 4: But when he's out of the state. Mark Robinson becomes governor,

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Speaker 4: and some Democrats don't think that's a bad idea because

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Speaker 4: there's a Republican super majority anyway, if people got a

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Speaker 4: flash forward or what would we be like to have

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Speaker 4: Governor Robinson? But they're already kind of thinking how would

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Speaker 4: that work? Who what would be the downside for picking

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Speaker 4: those guys? It really has I've not really heard serious

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Speaker 4: talk about Whitmer. I've heard pun To talk about putted too,

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Speaker 4: I guess, but pun To talk about we were being

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Speaker 4: added to double down on the history making nature of

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Speaker 4: the ticket. I've heard more there are voters who need

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Speaker 4: to be reassured this is that this is not a

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Speaker 4: change everything ticket, that this is a stability ticket, because

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Speaker 4: Democrats have lost the impreparatur of stability in the last

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Speaker 4: six months. You don't need to praise Trump to say this,

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Speaker 4: but the Trump but Man's ticket is now the one

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Speaker 4: that says, we've run this country before, we have no drama,

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Speaker 4: We've had the same nominee all year. Democrats haven't more

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Speaker 4: chaotic kick and I've heard the governors, the generation X

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Speaker 4: governors of purple and red states mentioned as people who know.

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Speaker 3: How to run.

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Speaker 4: They have won tough races. They'd be easy to introduce

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Speaker 4: to people. I've not heard discussion of the fact that Shapiro,

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Speaker 4: if he has chosen, would be the first Jewish vice president.

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Speaker 4: His wife is Jewish. Doug m Hoff, the currently second gentleman,

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Speaker 4: is also Jewish. I haven't heard about that. I think

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Speaker 4: people are sort of ignoring the more race baiting and

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Speaker 4: othering angles of Republicans because they think you can sell

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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris to the country as as a possible commander

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Speaker 4: in chief. And the only people who will say and

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Speaker 4: I'm ruling her out because she's childlesser, because she is

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Speaker 4: not a white man, We're never going to vote for her.

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Speaker 4: And you can actually highlight the craziest things said about

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Speaker 4: her to say that don't you want to be on

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Speaker 4: this team? Do you really want to be on the

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Speaker 4: elimination this team? Or do you want to be with us?

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Speaker 1: Right one report I saw mentioned they're potentially looking at

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Speaker 1: business leaders for the VP slot as well, is that

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Speaker 1: like we thinking like Mark Cuban, Have you heard any

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Speaker 1: any chatter about that?

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Speaker 4: Not yet. The The argument there would be in part

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Speaker 4: that Trump is now raising enough raising money where Biden

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Speaker 4: to be competitive now. But the Biden Harris campaign. I

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Speaker 4: keep saying Biden campaign, it's not a Harris campaign that

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Speaker 4: that they you know, they raised fifty million dollars yesterday.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of Democrats. The moment really does matter.

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Speaker 4: They they were worried about Biden. They should say Democrats

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: are worried about Biden's abilities at every level, and they're

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00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: worried about donor striking, and they are not worried about

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Speaker 4: Harris being able to to get the back those Biden donners.

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Speaker 4: There are not people in the Biden orbit who refuse

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Speaker 4: to give to Harris. They're just dard. They're people who

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Speaker 4: are on the fence who might be interested. And it

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Speaker 4: reminds me of what was happening ten days ago where

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Speaker 4: Republicans were saying it looks like the election is ours.

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: Biden's collapsing the shooting, and I should say a week ago,

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Speaker 4: the shooting in Butler has changed the race, and we

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Speaker 4: don't need to pick somebody who's going to win swing states.

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Speaker 4: We need somebody who's a governing partner for Trump.

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Speaker 3: That's jd. Vance.

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Speaker 4: I think at this moment, in this very short window,

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Speaker 4: Democrats are not worried about about the money about like

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Speaker 4: a Mark Cuban pick and again I have heard more

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Speaker 4: they want just to be Look, the narrative of the

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Speaker 4: Biden campaign is not We're going to change everything. It

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Speaker 4: is we actually change some things and they're working. You've

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00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: been so distracted by how old he is, you have

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Speaker 4: not noticed that things are getting better.

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Speaker 3: And how do you sell that?

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Speaker 4: Well, you can sell that with a governor who says,

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Speaker 4: look at my state unemployments down to four percent what

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Speaker 4: we built, Look at the bridges that are repaired, Look

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00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: at identified being repaired. If you're dressing hero, you know,

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Speaker 4: that's the argument they want to make, and a Cuban

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Speaker 4: doesn't fit into that the same way from the Democrats

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Speaker 4: I talked to.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, Dave, how are Democrats feeling about now their

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Speaker 1: odds of potentially winning?

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Speaker 4: Oh much better? They really were checking out just days ago.

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00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: Democrats who never were going to concede the election, We're

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00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 4: really worried they can't win this year. Biden does not

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Speaker 4: have what it takes. They now think there is a shot,

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Speaker 4: and they do need Republicans to screw up. Because there

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Speaker 4: are arguments you can make about Harris beyond just is

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00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: she ready to be present? Polling has sent voters are skeptical.

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Speaker 4: But you get to roll her out again, You get

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Speaker 4: to do speeches again, you get to do interviews again,

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Speaker 4: and then reintroduce somebody who when she emerged on the

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Speaker 4: American scene was not incredibly popular but not disliked. Why

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Speaker 4: has she been disliked recently? They really think that she

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Speaker 4: can be reintroduced to people in a popular way, and

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Speaker 4: that they know what Republican tacks are coming. They know

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Speaker 4: that Republicans are attack not just the cackle that Trump does,

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Speaker 4: which I don't think is effective, but some positions she

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Speaker 4: took in the twenty nineteen primary that she doesn't hold anymore.

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Speaker 4: They just want to reboot her as the carrier of

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Speaker 4: a successful Obama legacy. And again that's they're running up

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Speaker 4: into that right if you pull people to say, is

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Speaker 4: the economy getting better? Are we intercession? People just mostly Republicans,

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Speaker 4: but a lot of people just think things are still

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Speaker 4: getting worse, even though in important ways they aren't. So

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Speaker 4: selling her with her communication skills or skills as a

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Speaker 4: as a as a courtroom prosecutor, they think they can

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Speaker 4: do it. So I just have not found any Democrat

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Speaker 4: who's more worried today than they were before, even the

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Speaker 4: ones you would expect to say, oh, well, how does

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Speaker 4: a how does a woman? How does a black woman

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Speaker 4: defeat Donald Trump? Is the country ready for that? I've

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Speaker 4: not heard that from elected Democrats. They really just think

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Speaker 4: maybe they're overanalyzing this. The problem was Joe Biden could

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Speaker 4: not explain why he needed another term. He could not

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Speaker 4: go on stage and reliably say their message. And she

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Speaker 4: can do that, and they might be overestimating like this.

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Speaker 4: She's taken on more of the social issue, more the

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Speaker 4: abortion portfolio in the last few months. She's very good

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Speaker 4: at that. How is she at saying hey, everybody, interest

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00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: rates are coming down, Hey, we've explored for more guests, lead, Hey,

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Speaker 4: unemployments at record lows. She can do it, but they

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Speaker 4: that's like every hour. The story is kind of evolving.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's her next step. How does she how

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Speaker 4: does she actually perform? Hey, she has a great rally

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Speaker 4: or great speech. I think you'll see all of the

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Speaker 4: coconut pill democrats free decision.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that all makes sense. Dave, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It's so great to have your insights. We're grateful for

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 4: Oh, very grateful to be here. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned before, Democrats response to Biden withdrawing

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Speaker 1: from the race is to paint him as the greatest

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Speaker 1: leader of all time, the most self man that's.

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Speaker 5: Ever existed, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: I had the misfortune of watching some of the North

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Speaker 1: Korean level propaganda that was being spouted over on MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: Here's the taste of Rachel Maddow doing her best.

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Speaker 5: This is history.

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Speaker 4: Writ large.

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Speaker 6: You know, we'll all remember where we were and what

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Speaker 6: we were doing at this moment. And just thinking about

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Speaker 6: the president right now. You know, what a what a man,

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Speaker 6: what a patriot, what an act of selfless devotion to

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Speaker 6: your country. And he has been a phenomenal president.

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Speaker 4: He brought us back from COVID.

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Speaker 6: He you know, gave us the best recovery from COVID

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Speaker 6: of any major nation on Earth. At a time when

656
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Speaker 6: the world has economically been struggling in the wake of COVID,

657
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 6: the Biden economy is literally the envy of the world.

658
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 6: He ended the presidency of Donald Trump at one disastrous term,

659
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: and he did it while being decent and civil and

660
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 6: honorable and normal and occasionally boring at a time when

661
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 6: boring was absolutely what we needed. And I just you know,

662
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 6: his career of decades in public service, as a senator

663
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Speaker 6: and as a very successful vice president, and as a

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Speaker 6: phenomenally successful president, there is no single thing that he

665
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 6: has done in that entire career that is a greater

666
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Speaker 6: or more consequential act of service and sacrifice to this country.

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00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, get this was went on for hours, Ryan,

668
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: I watched John Meacham came on and he did the

669
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: whole leg I'm not a great man, but let me

670
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: tell you who is. Joe Biden is a great man.

671
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm going to say all the obvious things.

672
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: This is a man who's overseeing a genocide. This is

673
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: a man who's stubborn as ego, narcissism, etc. Led to

674
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: this place where after he pledged in twenty twenty two

675
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: be a bridge the future generation, then he got in

676
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 1: his head the Trumpian eye alone can fix it. No

677
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: one else can take the keys to the car from me,

678
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: and his insular circle that was really holding power as

679
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: well didn't want him to go either, and so leaves

680
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: it to this place where there isn't going to be

681
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: a democratic process where voters don't really get to say

682
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: have a say about who they want to be the

683
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: next Democratic nominee. It was a fundamentally selfish decision, and

684
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: let's make no mistake about it. He has put Kamala

685
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Harris's likely successor in a very difficult position in an

686
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: uphild battle in order to block Donald Trump from the

687
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: White House once again. So this Hale, He's a great man,

688
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: his legacy, et cetera, et cetera. If it was before

689
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: the Gemcide, I would have been sympathetic to it, because

690
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: I do think on domestic policy, especially with labor and

691
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: anti trust, he is better than Obama. He does represent

692
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: a shift away, somewhat of an incremental shift away from

693
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: the hard court neoliberalism of the past. But you can't

694
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: just hand wave away the tens of thousands, possibly hundreds

695
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: of thousands of Palestinians who have been killed by his policy.

696
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, he suggested that he would be

697
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: a one term president. He finally buckled to an incomprehensible

698
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: amount of pressure that he was under. Like none of

699
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: us can remotely understand how much power people like Barack Obama,

700
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer combined with all the entire donor

701
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: class plus sixty five seventy percent of actual Democratic voters,

702
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 3: are able to exert on a human being.

703
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: Right.

704
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: He withstood that for weeks and then finally buckled. That

705
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: does not make you a hero. It's good that he

706
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: buckled under that pressure, but doesn't make you a hero.

707
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: The heroic decision is like you know, say Washington, when

708
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: you know, after he wins the revolutionary war, he actually

709
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 3: goes back to farming, like the Cincinnatus at the time,

710
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: like the king. George famously said, if he does that,

711
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: he's the greatest man alive. And look, yeah, like I mean,

712
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 3: now he's got his own genocide and his slave owner.

713
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: So we're not going to say he's the greatest man alive.

714
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: But he was under pressure to take power and refused it. Yes,

715
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: Biden was under pressure not to take power and buckled

716
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: to that pressure. That's right, completely different situations.

717
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: Adamche's actually had a good tweet about this. He said,

718
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: so monarchical is American's conception of presidency that Biden is

719
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: feted as a ruler who quote gave up power in

720
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: favor of anointed successor, rather than a vain politician who

721
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: misjudged his cell by date and has been belatedly persuaded

722
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: to spare him self humiliation and give Dems a chance.

723
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Van Jones did his own rendition of the Rachel Maddow

724
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: Dear Leader mode over on CNN.

725
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 5: Let's take a listen to that too.

726
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 7: Even people who are pushing for this to happen, it's

727
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 7: kind of like like when your grandpa, you got to

728
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 7: take the keys, and everybody, you gotta take his keys.

729
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: You gotta take his keys. You got to and and

730
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 3: he's fighting, and he's fighting.

731
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 7: Everybody's so frustrated, and then you finally get the keys

732
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 7: back and then you just cry because this is somebody

733
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 7: that you love. This is somebody that you care about.

734
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 7: This is somebody who was there for He is somebody

735
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 7: you wouldn't be here without him, and you had to

736
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 7: take something from him.

737
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: Now, this is not look, this is politics.

738
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 7: It's politics, But this is a human moment for one

739
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 7: of the great humans in America. This is a huge

740
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 7: moment for him, for his family, for all of us

741
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 7: who love him, for all of us who wanted him

742
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 7: to get across the finish line. But if you're a

743
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 7: young person watching this. This is leadership, This is patriotism.

744
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 7: This is what it means to put the country first,

745
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 7: and put the party first, and put the cost first.

746
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 7: When your arm gets tired, to let somebody else finish

747
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 7: pitching the game. That's what Joe Biden has done, and

748
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 7: he's done that for all of us. And so I

749
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 7: just want to say, I don't know who's going to

750
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 7: be the VP, the non VP. I don't know anything

751
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 7: about politics. I just know that I love this man.

752
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 7: I care about this man. It was painful every day

753
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 7: to sit up here and talk about him like he's

754
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 7: just a some problem for the party.

755
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 3: Wait till we get to the convention. You're going to see.

756
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 7: People cry, standing, screaming, cheering. He may not get a

757
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 7: chance to talk for ten minutes. We finally get a

758
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 7: chance to put our arm around this guy. He did

759
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 7: the right thing for this country, You did the right

760
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 7: thing for this party. All this are going to be

761
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 7: in this situation someday, and I hope that we take

762
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 7: a moment to honor this man and to love this man.

763
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 7: I love Joe Biden. I appreciate what he's done. And

764
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 7: a lot of people are heartbroken today, even if it's

765
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 7: the right thing.

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00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: It's still just horrible.

767
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: So Van Jones there openly weeping at this great, brave

768
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: decision that Joe Biden was absolutely dragged to kicking and

769
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: screaming the other thing.

770
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 5: Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Over this whole process, it has been deeply disturbing and

772
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: unsettling to see the supposed like neutral analysts and journalists

773
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: have to go out and be, Oh my god, I

774
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: love Joe. He's my favorite person. He's the best person

775
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: that's ever. I adore him.

776
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 5: He's the greatest of all time.

777
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: I do anything for Like you're supposed to have some

778
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: sort of arms length neutrality, not go out of your

779
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: way to you know, to pledge your undying love and

780
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: fealty to the dear leader.

781
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: It is very disturbing.

782
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: Jamie Raskin wrote Biden a letter shortly after July fourth,

783
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: and it leaked to the New York Times just recently.

784
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: It's a four page letter or basically urging him to

785
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: step aside. The first three pages are just a slobbign

786
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: homage to his greatness, and that's just unhealthy, like the

787
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 3: kind of person that where you tell yourself, you know what,

788
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: this guy needs three pages of praise before.

789
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 5: I feel I build up to the point.

790
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: Honesty that doesn't actually say anything good about the person

791
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: on the receiving end.

792
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: True, it also doesn't make your case that well because

793
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: if he's so amazing and the best leader that ever lived, like, well,

794
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe we can deal with a little bit of senility,

795
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: right Like, if he's so wonderful and he's like FDR

796
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: and Lincoln and George Washington all rolled into one, then

797
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: maybe we should just deal with the declines.

798
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: So bizarre to watch all of this.

799
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and given his domestic record, it is painful because

800
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: you know that none of none of the replacement and

801
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: substitute candidates Kamala Harris seems to be the one that's

802
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: going to be are going to have his administration's commitment

803
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: I don't think to labor antitrust and in general this

804
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: kind of pushback against neoliberalism. We'll see. But you know,

805
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: you are kind of throwing that out with the baby.

806
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: What do you make of So like Matt Stoller's been

807
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: probably most aggressively making this one, I've seen others saying

808
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: as well that there may have been more ideological valance

809
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: to the move against Biden among the donor set than

810
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: we want to acknowledge because certainly the Wall Street Journal

811
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: editorial board, the billionaires they did hate like they hate

812
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: Lenikon with a burning passion. You know, they hate the

813
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: anti trust stuff in particular. But they also don't love

814
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: the renewed vigor of the labor movement, which has been

815
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: partly enabled by Biden's National Labor Relations Board. You know,

816
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: what do you say to people who are concerned about

817
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: that and that you may you know this this may

818
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of quash those burgeoning positive pieces of Biden's domestic agenda.

819
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: Well see, it's a it's a live fight. Yeah, but

820
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: anytime that the donor class is happy and gets what

821
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: it wants is bad news.

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Speaker 5: We should be uncomfortable.

823
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so definitely, uh, you know, they definitely think

824
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris is going to be more client Now.

825
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: It's hilarious because Joe Biden, his nickname for his entire

826
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: career was Joe Biden d MBNA, which, for those who

827
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: don't know, NBNA used to be a credit card company, right,

828
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: the biggest one in the world. Basically, he was the

829
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: he was the the politician who basically created the student

830
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: debt crisis, you know, through legislation he backed to credit cards,

831
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: back to Wall Street, back.

832
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: With Elizabeth Warren.

833
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: Over all of this, Elizabeth Warren like he was like

834
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: Delaware is the heart of corporate America. He represented that

835
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: beating heart for his entire career in the Senate. That

836
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: he happened to be the one that broke hopefully reflects

837
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: that that's where that's where the party is pushing, right.

838
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: He was just a vessel for that because obviously that's

839
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: not where his heart is.

840
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 5: Right. It seems to me that there's a combination of both.

841
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: You know, I am not a subscriber to like the

842
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: Great Man view of the world where it's just like

843
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: one person in their ideology and they decide to do

844
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: the right thing or they decide to do the wrong thing.

845
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: That it is more about looking at these eras, and

846
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I do think we are in an era of transitioning

847
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: away from neoliberalism that Biden happens to be part of.

848
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: I also think that his deep bitterness towards Barack Obama, resentment, envy,

849
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, also was part of

850
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: what led him to wanting to go so big on

851
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: the COVID stimulus package.

852
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 5: Because you know, this is the.

853
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: Thinking is that ron Klain is an initial chief of staff,

854
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: basically sold it to him as like, listen, I Alma

855
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: screwed up with the stimulus. You have a chance to

856
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: show you can do this bigger and better, and you can.

857
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: Let's hang the FDR portrait in the Oval office, and

858
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: you can embrace this. And so he played to his

859
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: ego and his sense of grievance, and that's partly how

860
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: you end up with some of the better domestic positions.

861
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: And then I also think from what we can tell,

862
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Biden is pretty checked out on domestic politics, Like they

863
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: couldn't talk about NATO. All he wants to talk about

864
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: is NATO or like, you know, some sort of esoteric

865
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Asian Pacific Pact that no one has ever heard of.

866
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 5: That's where his heart really is.

867
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: So I think also that those domestic policy pieces they

868
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: were sort of running on autopilot or with ron Klan

869
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: or whoever else was in charge over there, and he

870
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: didn't care about it.

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00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 5: He didn't have much to do with it.

872
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: He was very reluctant to follow through on even approximating

873
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: his student debt loan pledges, for example. He never wants

874
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I think he was quite checked

875
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: down on the domestic policy agenda.

876
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the other hope full element of it is

877
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: that Ron not only was Ron Klain making that argument

878
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: that Obama screwed up, he didn't go big enough, so

879
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: was Chuck Schumer and Chuck Schumer. So you have Joe

880
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: Biden d MBNA and you have Chuck Schumer, who's his

881
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: nickname was Wall Street Chuck right, and both of them

882
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: just decided, like, the wind is blowing in this direction.

883
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: We are politicians, Let's go with the wind. So the

884
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: question then becomes does the wind keep blowing? And that's

885
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 3: a matter for basically the public, Yeah, to keep making

886
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: sure that there's momentum in that direction, which is driving

887
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: the Republican Party to embrace people like JD Vance and

888
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: is driving the Democratic Party to say we need to

889
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: go bigger and we need to actually deliver for people.

890
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: So and the counter the counter wind, of course, is

891
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: coming from the donor class, which is like, no, we

892
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 3: don't need this at.

893
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: All, right, No, we're good, just talk about abortion. Get

894
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: Lena Khan out of here, and let's go back to

895
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the good old days of just neoliberalism with no con

896
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: learn about moving in a different direction. Speaking of Obama,

897
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: we've got a little bit. Obama put on a long

898
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: statement as you know, no one should be surprised about us,

899
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: put b three up on the screen and got a

900
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: little bit of a charicle.

901
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the same vibes. Bline's amazing.

902
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: He's been one of America's most consequential presidents as well

903
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: as a dear friend and partner to me.

904
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 5: Today we've also.

905
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Been reminded again that he's a patriot of the highest order.

906
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: Since taking office, President Biden has displayed that character again

907
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: and again. I mean, the Obama Biden relationship is has

908
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: been I wouldn't say Biden has been one of America's

909
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: most consequential presidents, but I would say the Biden Obama

910
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: relationship has been extremely one of the most consequential, complicated

911
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: relationships in history. I mean, first of all, you have

912
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: this as I was referring to before, the sense of

913
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: grievance and this tension between the two when Biden is

914
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: Obama's VP and Obama's the smarty pants ivy league and

915
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: the super intellectual, you know, sort of high high minded

916
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: hands off doesn't like to sully himself with the dirtiness

917
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: of you know, the backslap in politics. Joe Biden's on

918
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: the exact opposite end of the spectrum. So you have

919
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: that dynamic. Then you have in the twenty twenty primary,

920
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Obama does not endorse Biden until the very end. It's

921
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: pretty clear he favors any number of a range of

922
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: other candidates. Some of his staffords are actually working for

923
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Beto at the beginning. So and oh and let's not

924
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: forget about yeah, and let's not forget about twenty sixteen

925
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: when Obama made it clear I want Hillary Clinton not Biden.

926
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Apparently Biden really holds onto a lot of bitterness about that,

927
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: and listen to be fair, understandably so. But then on

928
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: the other hand, in twenty twenty, it really is Obama.

929
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: It has to come to his rescue. After he has

930
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: a piss poor performance in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada

931
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: and Bernie Sanders looks like he's going to romp to

932
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: the nomination, the whole establishment of the party totally freaks out.

933
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: Obama helps to orchestrate everyone dropping out, consolidating around Joe,

934
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: and so he owes his you know, assent to Obviously,

935
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: the vice presidency has continued relevance in American politics to

936
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Barack Obama. He owes this presidency and the fact that

937
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: he won the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, and then

938
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Obama ends up being one of the key figures that

939
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: sticks the knife in here at the end and takes

940
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: it from him.

941
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I couldn't write it any better. And then the

942
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: key thing is Obama did not endorse Kamala Harris In

943
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: that statement as well, he says, I have extraordinary confidence

944
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 3: that the leaders of our party will be able to

945
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: create a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges. And

946
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: you know, Kamala Harris and her team have been trying

947
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: to kind of work Obama for years, like she and

948
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: they really believe that she can carry the mantle forward

949
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: of that Obama coalition. And clearly the Obama folks just

950
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: don't actually believe that. Now she may end up it

951
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: looks like she's going to win the nomination anyway. But

952
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: it's interesting that if she's going to do it without

953
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: Obama at this point rallying behind her, Hakeem Jeffries, we

954
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: can put up this next element said the same thing

955
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: of the similar portrait of the greatness of Joe Biden,

956
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: but also excluding any mention of Kamala Harrison not endorsing

957
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: going forward. This tapped the brakes a little bit on

958
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: the momentum of the Kamala car that was racing to

959
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: Chicago with the nomination, because it gave people's space say,

960
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: wait a minute, Obama isn't like rallying behind her yet.

961
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: Maybe there is space here. But it took a little while.

962
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: And then the endorsements continue to accelerate from Progressive COXS

963
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: chair Promila Jayapaul and like the cbcw like the endorsements

964
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: are rolling in for Yeah, and she needs an opponent

965
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 3: if she's going to lose, and so far she doesn't

966
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: have one.

967
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right.

968
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Ryan, what do you think so we have

969
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: all the way democrats are framing the bi legacy, the

970
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: way I'm somec and Van Jones framing the Biden legacy.

971
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: When we look back on this presidency ten twenty years

972
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: from now, what do you think will be the lasting impression.

973
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: On the It depends on what the fallout is of

974
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: what is going on currently, Like.

975
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 5: If Kamon winsor loses, well, no, I.

976
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: Think like so you could see the wheels just completely

977
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: coming off. You could see a massive escalation that leads

978
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: to a regional conflict that would be on Biden's shoulders,

979
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: his refusal to end that, his refusal to get tough.

980
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: You know, when Sullivan and b Lincoln told net Yahoo,

981
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 3: you have till January with this, it's July, right, and

982
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: they're still going right. There is such a thing as

983
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: American power. They chose not to use it. So if

984
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: it spins even further beyond now, I think the world

985
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: sadly will metabolize a Gaza genocide if it is constrained

986
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: to that, but if it spins into this massive regional conflict.

987
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: But yes, I think you're politically If Kamala Harris gets

988
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: kind of wrecked by Trump in November, yeah, then people

989
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: will remember that that Biden clung on until July, and

990
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 3: you know, will fault her to some degree. But we'll

991
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: also acknowledge that Biden put her in a very difficult situation.

992
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: What do you think?

993
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't I hope that a genocide in Gaza is

994
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: a stain on him. I hope it will be, and

995
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: I fear that you're right that it won't be, that

996
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: there will be this you know, attempt to forget that

997
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Palestinians exist.

998
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 3: Forget it will be a thing that people know about. Yeah,

999
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: and it will be books written about it. But right,

1000
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: will people get arrested? Will there be actual consequences? I

1001
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: hope so, yeah, I doubt it.

1002
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, though, because we are coming to

1003
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: this consensus, we want to talk more about this in

1004
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: the Israel block about this isn't apartheid stay.

1005
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: I mean, we just had the ICJ rulings saying.

1006
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: Voted against two state solutions. So if you have that,

1007
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: you have one state. All these people live in it, right,

1008
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 3: some people have rights, others don't, others don't.

1009
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: It's a pretty clear definition.

1010
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear and undeniable definition at this point. And

1011
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: I do think you have because Netaniahu has made himself

1012
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: such a partisan figure. I do think you have a

1013
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: democratic party that is going to move away from the

1014
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: type of unconditional support that Joe Biden has given to Israel.

1015
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: So I think it's possible that.

1016
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1017
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare them to LBJ because I

1018
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: think that's sort of unfair to LBJ, but there are

1019
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: some echoes there in that LBJ had an extraordinary domestic

1020
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: political agenda that was ultimately his legacy though, was defined

1021
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: by Vietnam and leaving his party in a very.

1022
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 5: Difficult position as well.

1023
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: So I do think that there are some echoes there,

1024
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll see how it all plays out ultimately.

1025
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: I do think whether or not Kamala Harris wins is

1026
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: going to be a important part of how Joe Biden's

1027
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: legacy is seen. Over on the Republican side, they're having

1028
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: a really normal one about this. There is a lot

1029
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: of free it. I mean, you can imagin their perspective.

1030
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: They were looking at a cakewalk. They're thinking about, Hey,

1031
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: maybe we're gonna moin New Jersey. New York seems to

1032
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: be in play. We're definitely went in Virginia. We can

1033
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: pick JD. Who cares if he's got these like wild

1034
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: out there things he's said super online.

1035
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 5: We like the guide.

1036
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna win anyway, so we're just gonna put him.

1037
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: On the ticket.

1038
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: They go through the whole R and C, and then

1039
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: the rug gets pulled out from under them. Not that

1040
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is the most formidable candidate in the world.

1041
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Right Obviously, we're going to talk more about this, and

1042
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: Ryan's pulled some great clips of why she has struggled

1043
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: in the past, and those recents are very real. But

1044
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you don't get that same sense of terror and dread

1045
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: when she begins a sentence that she's not going to

1046
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: be able to remember what she was talking about by

1047
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: the time she gets to the end of the sentence.

1048
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 5: Right.

1049
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 3: But it's a different kind of dread.

1050
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: It's a different it's more of like a weird like

1051
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: are you on something, kind of kind of a vibe.

1052
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Don't mix the barbituous and the wine or whatever, more

1053
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: like that, which is you know, which is kind of fun.

1054
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: It's a different it's a different sense of concern for

1055
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: where the sentence is going. In any case, here we

1056
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: have Stephen Miller over on Fox News just absolutely losing

1057
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: it about what is unfolding.

1058
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 5: The stigalism.

1059
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: They held a primary.

1060
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 8: People, they had ballots, they filled out circles, they went

1061
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 8: to the voting boosts, they spent money on advertisements, and

1062
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 8: as President Trump said, the Republican Party suspend tens of

1063
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 8: millions of dollars running against Joe Biden. Now they just

1064
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 8: woke up one morning and said, never mind, We're canceling

1065
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 8: the entire primary. We're getting rid of our candidate, and

1066
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 8: we're pretending the election has never even happened, and we're

1067
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 8: going to let donors hand pick a new nominee. They're

1068
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 8: publicly admitting that they are an oligarchy. They are not

1069
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 8: running a democracy, they are not running a representative republic.

1070
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 8: This is an oligarchy controlled by business interests, and the

1071
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 8: Democratic Convention is the private corporation that represents those business interests.

1072
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 8: This is as full frontal and attack on American democracy

1073
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 8: as we've ever seen in the history of America's major

1074
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 8: political parties.

1075
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: I think his concerns about oligarchy might land a little

1076
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: better if his side hadn't just gotten the backing of

1077
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Elon Musk to the twoe of forty five million dollars

1078
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: a month and lots of other you know, billionaires as

1079
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: well as vice presidential pick is the hand like hand

1080
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: picked candidate of billionaire Peter til So. I'm not sure

1081
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: they got a lot of credibility here to talk about

1082
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: oligarchy and American politics.

1083
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: And also Democrats overdo the January sixth stuff. But if

1084
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 3: you did January six to say that this Joe Biden

1085
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: stepping down is the biggest full frontal assault on American

1086
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 3: democracy when there was an actual assault.

1087
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: It's a bit rich. Just come on, it's a bit rich. Yeah,

1088
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. We have some more Republican reaction

1089
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: we can give you from the Trump campaign and the

1090
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: way that they are framing this. Their you know, immediate

1091
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: pivot to try to tie Amala Harris to Biden because

1092
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: Biden is so unpopular. They say they own each other's records.

1093
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of Biden and Harris, and there is no distance

1094
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: between the two. Harris must defend the failed Biden administration

1095
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: and her liberal week on prime record in California. Joe

1096
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Biden cannot take himself out of a campaign for president

1097
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: because he's too mentally incompetent and still remain in the

1098
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: White House. That's been a key part of their messaging

1099
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: is like, all right, well he needs to resign, which,

1100
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm not sure. I don't

1101
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: totally get the strategy of pushing for that, because let's

1102
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: say that Joe Biden, by the way, I actually kind

1103
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: of agree with that line of reasoning, Like if you're

1104
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: too mentally feeble to be able to campaign, are you

1105
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: really in command of your faculties enough right now to

1106
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: be president of the United States.

1107
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 5: Actually think that's a fair view.

1108
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: But from a political perspective, doesn't it just make Kamala

1109
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Harris stronger if she's actually the incumbent president running on

1110
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: the ticket and people get to see her, because that's

1111
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: part of this whole thing, is like imagining you as

1112
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: commander in chief. People get to actually see her as

1113
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: commander in chief.

1114
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 5: She could drop some bombs, yeah, what Americans love.

1115
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: So I don't really I'm not sure I really get

1116
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: the strategy here outside of just we're going to tie

1117
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: the two of them together. We're going to make it

1118
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: clear that she was part of this Biden health cover

1119
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: up and besmirch her that way as well, which again

1120
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: I think there are some fair points there. But the

1121
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: other thing that I saw, Ryan is that on Fox

1122
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: News they were going into this, and New York Times

1123
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: was also floating that one of the things that they're

1124
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: going to run against her is that she was for

1125
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Medicare for all, So God forbid, you know that she

1126
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: may have some attachment to health care for everyone, which

1127
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: no one should really take her seriously about at this point.

1128
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, that was one of the funniest moments in our politics.

1129
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: When there was a debate and she was it was

1130
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: like one of those hands up questions, and the question

1131
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: was should we ban private insurance? And Kamala Harris, yeah,

1132
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: ban private insurance. That no greater signal of how kind

1133
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: of left the parties, at least presidential candidates had shifted

1134
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: at that point.

1135
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: Right.

1136
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in Congress at that very time, they couldn't even

1137
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: get the Medicare negotiation package through that allowing Medicare to

1138
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: negotiate prescription drug prices, like they couldn't even get that

1139
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: through a Democratic controlled house. Meanwhile, their presidential candidates were

1140
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: all saying we're going to ban private insurance. The next day,

1141
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 3: even more hilariously, she said she misheard the question.

1142
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right.

1143
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: I remember there was like a stream there of a

1144
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: few misheard questions from Kamala.

1145
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 5: Harris where she banned.

1146
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: No, no, no.

1147
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what she thought that they said, but yeah,

1148
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: there were a couple of instances like that. I wish

1149
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: I could remember the specifics off the top of my

1150
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: head where she gave the wrong answer and then pretended

1151
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: like she didn't hear what they had said. So again,

1152
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: these are some of the reasons why she did not

1153
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: succeed particularly effectively in the Democratic primary back in twenty twenty.

1154
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: We can put Trump's reaction here up on the screen.

1155
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 5: C two.

1156
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: He is also melting down over what he's describing as fraud.

1157
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: He says, so we are forced to spend time and

1158
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: money on fighting crook and Joe Biden. He pulls badly

1159
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: after having a terrible debate and quits the race. Now

1160
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: we have to start all over again. Shouldn't the Republican

1161
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: Party be reimbursed for fraud in that everybody around Joe,

1162
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: including his doctors and the fake news media, knew he

1163
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: was not capable of running for or being president.

1164
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: Just asking love that?

1165
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: So, I mean it is I like the end hashtag

1166
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: just asking. So, I mean, listen again, I have some

1167
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: understanding for their position. They just see the whole R

1168
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: and C running against Joe Biden, and now it's like

1169
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: all just out the window. It's like the RNC just

1170
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: basically didn't happen. Also, I'm sure Trump is really irritated that,

1171
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, he had an attempt on his life that

1172
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: came within an inch of succeeding. How long now, just

1173
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: over a week ago, and already the conversation is completely

1174
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: moved past that, which seems really wild and crazy, and

1175
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: now they don't know who the VP pick is going

1176
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: to be, and they've got to go back to the

1177
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: drawing board about what this campaign is going to look like.

1178
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: But this truth social that he posted is also it's

1179
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: a bit of an admission of weakness that they're concerned

1180
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: about having to go up against Kamala Harris, who again

1181
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: isn't anywhere close to the most formidable Democratic candidate that

1182
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: they could potentially face. I think the fear is and

1183
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: I've seen some people saying this online that you know, basically,

1184
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: anyone but Joe Biden could be Donald Trump. That the

1185
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: real thing, the primary thing that was holding Joe Biden

1186
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: back from being in a position to.

1187
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 5: Win was just his age.

1188
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: And so even if you just swap in his vice

1189
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: presidential you know, the vice president of the United States,

1190
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: who has her own political liabilities, but just the fact

1191
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: that she is not old and not in obvious mental

1192
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: decline could be enough.

1193
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1194
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think I think that's exactly right.

1195
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: And now they're you know, because they've gone from like

1196
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: I think, feeling like they had a guaranteed victory to

1197
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: now feeling like they're very likely to win.

1198
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they're gonna have to fight for it.

1199
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: It's much more fun to have a guaranteed coasting to

1200
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: victory than to actually fight for.

1201
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: Do you think jd Vance would have been the pick

1202
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: if they knew Biden was going.

1203
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 3: To drop it? Probably not. Yeah, And you could imagine

1204
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: that everything lined up for jd Vance in the sense

1205
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: that if the assassination doesn't happen, Even on Saturday night,

1206
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: there was so much momentum to push Biden off the

1207
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 3: ticket that by Monday. By that Monday there was supposed

1208
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: to be a ton of Senators and House members coming

1209
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: out like that Monday, there was that call that went

1210
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 3: horribly where he attacked Jason Crowe for having like a

1211
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: bronze star, and everyone on the call is like, oh,

1212
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: this guy's got to go, and they're like writing the

1213
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: statement and then the shots ring out in Butler, Pennsylvania,

1214
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: and they're like, hold on, I can't do this now,

1215
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 3: so they put it the whole thing on pause. They say, well,

1216
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: let's hold this until at least next week, and then

1217
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: in the days after that, Trump's like, got this and

1218
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: then Monday, they're like, we're doing jd Vance and then

1219
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 3: by Wednesday they're like, actually, we're still getting rid of Biden.

1220
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 3: So there was like a three day period over the

1221
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: course of like the entire year where jd Vance could

1222
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 3: have been named the vice president, and that happened, and

1223
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: the Monday of the convention happened to fall within that

1224
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: three day window, and he got through, and maybe he

1225
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: becomes vice president and president as a result of it.

1226
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: I think it's very possible, very possible, if not likely,

1227
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: because I think, I mean, you definitely have to view

1228
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: Harris still as an underdog. We're going to show you

1229
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: in the next block when we dig in more on

1230
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: her what the polling looks like today, which I think

1231
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of caveats because people aren't good at hypotheticals,

1232
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: like how would you feel if it was Kamala Harris

1233
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: is different than it is Kamala Harris? How do you

1234
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: feel now? So we'll see what the polls look like

1235
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: once that question. Now that that question is much more

1236
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: real to people, can you explain for people, Ryan, why

1237
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: does your view that jd Vance is a poor pick electorally?

1238
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: Why there were other picks you know, what is it

1239
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: about him, his views, his you know, identity, whatever that

1240
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: you think makes it so that there was just this

1241
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: window of time where they weren't really concerned about the

1242
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: electoral concerns that allows him to sneak onto the ticket.

1243
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: The best argument for him is that maybe he gives

1244
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: like rust belt votes. Yeah, but they're going to win

1245
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: Ohio anyway, so it doesn't add anything demographically, and.

1246
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: He actually underperformed in Ohio and his race against Tim Ryan,

1247
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: who is not like any sort of spectacular being either.

1248
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: I think the main answer is abortion is that, you know,

1249
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: the thing that has propelled Democrats to the polls is

1250
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 3: abortion rights. Ever since Dobbs and Jade Vance is on

1251
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 3: record with some pretty strong opinions on abortion rights. And

1252
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: so Trump, despite being the guy that put the three

1253
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: justices on the court and celebrates the fact the overturn row,

1254
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: very much wants to be the modern it on the

1255
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: question of abortion rights. That's how he's playing it, you know,

1256
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: telling all the abortion opponents to go pound sand like

1257
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: this is how we're going to do it, and then

1258
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 3: to attach Jdie Vance just makes that much more difficult

1259
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: road too. And if that's your main issue, and you've

1260
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: made your main issue. If that's your main problem, you

1261
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: made your main problem worse, then Yeah, you've just hurt

1262
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 3: yourself a tiny bit.

1263
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put C three. You could just put these

1264
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: like sequentially up on the screen. We got a bunch

1265
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: of like right wing influencer types who are all saying

1266
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: that this was a coup. Announcement comes after the Democratic

1267
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: Party stage of successful coup on Biden. We could put

1268
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: the next one up on the screen. Cat turn weigh in.

1269
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: You just saw real coup today. Let's sa the next

1270
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: one up on the screen. This is like Certnovich, a

1271
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: coup before our very eyes. He's quote tweeting the Biden letter.

1272
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: I think we have one war in this. In this lineup,

1273
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: we are witnessing a Third World style coup engineered by

1274
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: oligarchs as we speak, and it isn't going to be

1275
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: pretty Stay calm, folks, It's about to get crazy.

1276
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 5: Limbs of TikTok.

1277
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: Also on the coup messaging, do you think this will

1278
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: have any residents?

1279
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:10,959
Speaker 5: Ryan?

1280
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: Because it is undemocratic, Democrats the country are not going

1281
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: to get to weigh in on who the nominee is.

1282
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Likely it's going to be Kamla Harris. But you know,

1283
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: obviously these same individuals were not so concerned about Democratic

1284
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: Party disenfranchisement when the Democratic Party just decided to shut

1285
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: down a primary a while ago.

1286
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 3: Right, and also not running for reelection is not the

1287
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: same thing as losing power. The irony is that pretty

1288
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 3: much every single one of those people that we had

1289
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 3: up on the screen there wants Biden to resign under pressure, right,

1290
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 3: which is which would be more of a coup than

1291
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: just not.

1292
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: Running for reelection for reelection, which is a normal decision

1293
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: to make.

1294
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 3: If a massive, overwhelming super majority of Democrats didn't want

1295
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: Biden to step down, I think they would have an

1296
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 3: excellent point. But they do, right, And he's not leaving power,

1297
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: he's not running for office, and you know, we don't

1298
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: have a you know. And also they're going to vote

1299
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: at the convention, like they can vote for Biden if

1300
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: they want. What what what what happened to him is

1301
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 3: that he was pressured out of power?

1302
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 4: Right?

1303
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 3: That's there are there coups are on a spectrum, Like

1304
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: when Ava Morales stepped down in twenty nineteen under massive

1305
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 3: pressure that was there. That was a coup because it

1306
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: was undemocratic, it was orchestrated behind the scenes. There was

1307
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 3: fraud and how the voting was manipulated, et cetera. That

1308
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: that you don't have here, that here you have everything

1309
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 3: being done transparently. Yeah, like you sucked at this debate.

1310
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 3: You look demented. We want you out, and there were

1311
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: and that was not subterfuge for some other some other things. Now,

1312
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: everybody has different motivations, but that was the leading motivation

1313
01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: for everybody, which.

1314
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: We know because they had fully closed ranks around Biden

1315
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: before this moment. So if it was really you know,

1316
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,959
Speaker 1: an ideological like the oligarchs are no longer happy with

1317
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden because of his you know, because of

1318
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: Lena Khan, anti trust or whatever, the real time to

1319
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: have pushed him out would have been when you had

1320
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: the possibility of a primary process. Instead, they did the opposite.

1321
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: And in fact, if you had a to me, the

1322
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: real breakdown in democracy happens much earlier on because you

1323
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: have had an overwhelming majority of the country and a

1324
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: clear majority of Democrats saying we want other choices, we

1325
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: want to have a competitive primary process this entire time.

1326
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: So if you had a more reflective democracy, a healthier democracy,

1327
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: you would have had the ability to evaluate your choices.

1328
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 5: You would have had the.

1329
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: Ability to evaluate Biden's fitness much earlier on then. You know,

1330
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: at this one debate that he's sort of you know,

1331
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: on a I think he I'm not even sure he

1332
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: expected Trump to take him up on his whole like

1333
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: I'll debate you anytime, any place, kind of a deal.

1334
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: And because of that, we're able to get this tiny

1335
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: little glimpse, this tiny little working of democracy were the

1336
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: actual of the people who want to move past Biden.

1337
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,479
Speaker 1: By the way, I also want to move past Donald

1338
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: Trump is able to be effectuated.

1339
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 3: An interesting point on that, people have said, the most

1340
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 3: consequential thing here was Joe Biden offering this debate in June.

1341
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right. The most consequential thing and

1342
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 3: mistake was Trump accepting it. If Trump had said, look,

1343
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: I don't like these conditions, it's fake tapper, no audience,

1344
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: you know this, it's rigged. You're going to cut my mic.

1345
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this. Well, we're not going to debate

1346
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: until September, then the Democratic elites would have spent June

1347
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 3: through September lying about his condition. His condition is capacity

1348
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: again and then in September he would have gone into

1349
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 3: the debate worse probably than June, because it's degenerative and

1350
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: it's getting worse, and he just completely falls apart and

1351
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: at that point there is no taking him off the ticket.

1352
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 3: And then and then Trump from their coast to an

1353
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 3: absolute landslide victory. Yeah, so the mistake was not Biden

1354
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: offering the debate. The mistake was Trump accepting it. But hey,

1355
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: American hero, he did it for us because now we

1356
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: don't have the risk of Joe Biden serving another four

1357
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: terms when he clearly is not capable.

1358
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 5: He's clearly not capable doing it. Yeah, that's exactly right.

1359
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go ahead and turn to Kamala Harris,

1360
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: who seems to be pretty quickly here locking up the nomination.

1361
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is quickly consolidating party support for the nomination.

1362
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the argument that we're likely

1363
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 3: to see her making against Donald Trump. This is an

1364
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: ad from when she ran for president. It's already making

1365
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: the rounds again.

1366
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 9: Sick of this, we'll think about this. He's a world

1367
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 9: leader in temper tantrump. She never loses her cool. She

1368
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,480
Speaker 9: prosecuted sex predators.

1369
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: He is one.

1370
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 9: Grab him by the She shut down for profit colleges.

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 9: That's wyndeled Americans. He was the for profit college.

1372
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 4: At Trump University rechieve success.

1373
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 9: Literally, he's owned by the big banks. She's the attorney

1374
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 9: general who beat the biggest banks in America and forced

1375
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 9: them to pay homeowners eighteen billion dollars. He's tearing us apart.

1376
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 9: She'll bring us together. This is Trump and in every

1377
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 9: possible way, this is the anti Trump. So if that's

1378
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 9: what you're looking for in your next president, there's really

1379
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 9: only one.

1380
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 3: Kamala Kamala Harris for the people. Crystal, what do you

1381
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 3: think is that going to resonate?

1382
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I do think there's something too.

1383
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: They're already they're already saying they're going to frame this

1384
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: as like the prosecutor versus the felon. And I do

1385
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: think from just like a you know, normy perspective, it's

1386
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: a good contrast. And I think that's a good ad.

1387
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this is back from when she ran in

1388
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, but setting up that dichotomy between herself and

1389
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: and Trump, I think it works pretty well.

1390
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: And one after another, her potential opponents Basically, the set

1391
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 3: of governors are either endorsing her or announcing that they're

1392
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 3: not going to run. Some reporting from Robert Costa.

1393
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 10: Here sources close to several of the people who might

1394
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 10: be considered possible challengers to Vice President Harris for the nomination,

1395
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 10: People close to California Governor Gavin Newsom, people close to

1396
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 10: Gretchen Whitmer, the governor Michigan, all saying they're preparing to

1397
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 10: stand down.

1398
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 4: They do not believe that.

1399
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 10: Democrats will challenge Vice President Kamala Harris at the convention

1400
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 10: in Chicago. Already, in this immediate aftermath the President Biden's

1401
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 10: momentous decision, you see behind the scenes democratic consolidation, the

1402
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 10: real race will be for vice presidential nomination on the

1403
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 10: Democratic side.

1404
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 4: But it is.

1405
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 10: Intriguing to me as a reporter, but there's no one

1406
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 10: at this moment preparing behind the scenes to challenge Vice

1407
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 10: President Harris.

1408
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 5: That's right.

1409
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 11: Governor Gretchen Whitmer just saying, with Biden out, my job

1410
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 11: in this election will remain the same, doing everything I

1411
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 11: can to help elect Democrats and stop Donald Trump. She

1412
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 11: wrote that on social media, so she will not get

1413
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 11: in the way of Kamala Harris seeking this Democratic Party nomination.

1414
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 3: In the Congressional Black Caucus endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris

1415
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 3: for the nomination. The chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus,

1416
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 3: Promila Jaya Paul did as well. You can put up

1417
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 3: this tweet from Ocida, who basically kind of puts a

1418
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: fine point on it, says CPC new dem CBC. The

1419
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 3: matter is closed. It's not completely closed, but in order

1420
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 3: for it to be open, there has to be a

1421
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 3: candidate for people to rally behind, and nobody seems to

1422
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: want to jump out and challenge her. All of these

1423
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 3: governors want to be president. That is not in question.

1424
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 3: So they are facing a possibility where if they beat

1425
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Donald Trump over the course of the

1426
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 3: next two months, basically they will become president of the

1427
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 3: United States, which is their abiding ambition, the thing that

1428
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: gets them out of bed in the morning. Kamala Harris

1429
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump are among the two most beatable major

1430
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 3: party candidates you could imagine, right, So yet they are

1431
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: all taking a pass. Why do you think that is?

1432
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: Well, I think you've laid it out pretty pretty clearly.

1433
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: Which is I mean, first of all, they worry not

1434
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: just about can they beat her, but they also worry

1435
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: about their future within the Democratic Party. They worry that

1436
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: if they go up against her and they lose, and

1437
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: then she loses, then they're blamed for it. They're worried,

1438
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: you know that. Also, they're starting from behind. So even

1439
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: though Donald Trump is a weak candidate, even if by

1440
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: some miracle they were able to overcome the Kamala Harris

1441
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: train which appears to have left the station, that they

1442
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: would be in a vulnerable pcisition this time around. So

1443
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: they are hoping that she loses, so they think they

1444
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: have a better shot in twenty twenty eight. Now, whether

1445
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: or not that's the case, who knows. But these are

1446
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: not really the most courageous of being So the fact

1447
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: that you had the reason those groups, the CBC, the CPC,

1448
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: the New Dems, why it's important to put them together,

1449
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: is because that's the entire breadth of the democratic like

1450
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: ideological coalition in the House at all. But except for

1451
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: Sheeta Tally, which is interesting because she's been the most

1452
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: outspoken obviously on Gaza and Kamala Harris, it's been we'll

1453
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this in Israel Block too,

1454
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: but with regards to foreign policy, she's been a little

1455
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: more outspoken on side of like humanitarianism towards Palestinians in

1456
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: Gaza during this does that amount to anything, We really

1457
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: have no idea, But it has been interesting watching all

1458
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: of the Israeli news outlets kind of freaking out and

1459
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: like trying to parse what she said and what it

1460
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: might mean for the future relationship with Israel and our

1461
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: policy visav their atrocities in Gaza in the West Bank.

1462
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: So you know, you have all of those pieces, but

1463
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: ultimately it really looks like it's going to be difficult

1464
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 1: to stop her unless you did have another Pelosi Obama plot,

1465
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: not just to create the conditions of an open convention,

1466
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: because as you point out, that is happening. Even Kamala

1467
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: Harris says in her statement, like I want to win

1468
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: the nomination through this process. There is going to be

1469
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 1: a process. It's just you have to not only have

1470
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,799
Speaker 1: a process, you have to have a candidate who has

1471
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: some powerful support behind them.

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 5: The other thing she has going for is she's from California.

1473
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: It's the largest delegation, I believe, so you automatically have

1474
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot of delegates who are likely to be in

1475
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: your corner. So far, i've seen Obama has left the

1476
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: door open to an open convention, Pelosi has left the

1477
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: door open to an open convention.

1478
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 5: But they're not putting their.

1479
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: Thumb on the scales for any particular candidate. And meanwhile,

1480
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: you've got Jos Shapiro, Roy Cooper, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer

1481
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: all back in Kamala Harris. And those are some of

1482
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: the top names at the top of the list of

1483
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: who could potentially credibly challenge her in an open convention.

1484
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: But we should also be clear, you know, with the

1485
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: group of delegates you're talking about, even if you had

1486
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: a Gretchen Whitmer, let's say, jump into the race against her,

1487
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris comes in with a formidable advantage just from

1488
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: being the sitting vice president and having that sort of

1489
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: apparatus behind her.

1490
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely lot. So they're thinking, well, I'll bide my time,

1491
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: I'll wait until next time. For most candidates, though, that

1492
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 3: clever thinking doesn't work and the window closes on them.

1493
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 3: The political graveyards are filled with people, you know who

1494
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 3: missed their moment exactly, and one of the people who

1495
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: knows that better than anybody else say what you want

1496
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: about Barack Obama. He recognized, he knew his moment. Moment

1497
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 3: he went for it, we could put up this next element.

1498
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 3: So this was Obama's statement announcing like how much he

1499
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: loves Barack Obama. But the key there is that he

1500
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: trusts the party. He says to create it quote create

1501
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 3: a process from which an outstanding nominee emerges, deciding not

1502
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 3: to put his support behind Kamala Harris. But you know,

1503
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: with all the other point here is that all of

1504
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: these governors also want to be vice president, want to

1505
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 3: be on the on the ticket, and so they feel

1506
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: like even if they did there for a couple of

1507
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:08,520
Speaker 3: days and think about.

1508
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 5: It, right, they might be out.

1509
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I haven't heard from JB yet. Where's JB?

1510
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 3: He hasn't endorsed us.

1511
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 5: Oh, they'll notice.

1512
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 3: Then maybe you go to the bottom of that short list. Yeah,

1513
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 3: or the calculations like there isn't an alternative calculation that

1514
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: she's going to lose and if I'm on that ticket.

1515
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: There's two ways of thinking about if I'm on that ticket,

1516
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 3: then am I toxic in twenty twenty eight for this implosion?

1517
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 3: Or is it not my fault because you know, I

1518
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 3: was just thrown into the very last minute and it

1519
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: was actually Kamala Harris that lost, and me being vice

1520
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 3: president means it's my turn then to run in twenty

1521
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: twenty eight as at the top of the ticket. But

1522
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 3: people don't actually know, you know how this is gonna

1523
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 3: unfold and you know I'm losing. I think you should.

1524
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 3: You think you should lose a lot of respect for

1525
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 3: people who have a shot at power, have wanted it

1526
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 3: their whole lives, and then don't take it.

1527
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:58,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1528
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: True, who don't know to recognize or sees the moment.

1529
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: One thing you can say about Nancy Pelosi, she knows

1530
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: how to use power. She is one of the only

1531
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: Democrats that seems to still exist.

1532
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 5: Who in Obama too.

1533
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: He chooses his spots, but when he intervenes, it has

1534
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: been quite powerful. I mean, here's the thing too, about

1535
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: the rush of Democrats to endorse and line up behind

1536
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. This is a party that is terrified of

1537
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: any sort of like even a glimpse of democratic choice.

1538
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 5: They just are I mean, they are a fear.

1539
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: They were terrified of having a real competitive process this

1540
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: time around in twenty twenty four, and the argument that

1541
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: I hear they again, they can all read the polls,

1542
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: and some of them genuinely do are committed to beating

1543
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

1544
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,440
Speaker 5: They know that Kamala Harris.

1545
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 1: Is probably the second weakest candidate you could put up

1546
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: outside of Joe Biden, and yet they're resigned to falling

1547
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: in line behind her because they're so fearful of this

1548
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: quote unquote chaos at you at a convention where you

1549
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 1: really do have multiple candidates making the case and having

1550
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: to gather support and demonstrate some sort of strength and

1551
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: legitimacy to the American people.

1552
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 5: They're very fearful of a process that they don't have total,

1553
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 5: like total, tightly gripped control over.

1554
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: And so I think that animates some of the sentiment

1555
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: here as well, and the desire to just all right,

1556
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: we're just going to coal us behind Kamala, We're going

1557
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 1: to put this behind us. The Republicans were so unified. That's,

1558
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats greatest dream, that's like their greatest accolade,

1559
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: is when they can say that they were unified about something,

1560
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 1: even if that thing that they're unified behind totally sucks.

1561
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: And it's based on a lot of public statements from

1562
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 3: people that were endorsing Kamlaires. And I also talked to

1563
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 3: a couple members of Congress who went out early and

1564
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 3: made these endorsements. Asked why, and we can actually put

1565
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: this element up while talk about this, Harris performs like

1566
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 3: just one point better than Biden so far. Biden generally

1567
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 3: in this New York Times analysis of all these polls,

1568
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 3: was trailing by three. Rus kind of basically trailing by two.

1569
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 3: But like you said, it's impossible to really know because

1570
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 3: people are not good at predicting, you know, how they're

1571
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 3: going to feel about something until it happens. You know.

1572
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 3: Enormous numbers of Republicans said they would never vote for

1573
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: a convicted felon, and then he was convicted, and they're like, ah,

1574
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 3: that's fine, Yeah, I'll vote for.

1575
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 5: Convicted fellas for this convicted fellain.

1576
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 3: But yes, what what what people were telling me is

1577
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 3: that the question of unity, it was central. They hate

1578
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: the cable news Democrats in disarray type of narrative that's

1579
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 3: out there, so they want to they want to squash that.

1580
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 3: They want to be unified.

1581
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1582
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: First, people like you and me, we would like the

1583
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 1: Democrats to be in more disarray more often.

1584
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 3: Freedom's untidy, and Rumsfeldt said, uh. And so one of

1585
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 3: them said that the that Union leaders had been speaking

1586
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: positively of Kamala Harris and that their their swing state

1587
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 3: members they they felt could actually get behind Kamala Harris

1588
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 3: has been tight with organized labor, so that seems to

1589
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: have come to her rescue at this critical moment. And

1590
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: there's five weeks to the convention, and so there's just

1591
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 3: this feeling that it's both too short and too long,

1592
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 3: like it's too long to be undecided about who your

1593
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 3: nominee is. Yeah, and it's too short to kind of

1594
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 3: run a full campaign. So screw it, just do Kamala

1595
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 3: and get on with it and call it a day.

1596
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: I feel like the lefties who have gotten behind her,

1597
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: who are fully coconut pilled rather than just like maybe

1598
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: a little coconut curious.

1599
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 5: Or ironic about it or ironic about her whatever.

1600
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: But I think the sense is basically, like, listen, it's

1601
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: not like Grutchen Whitmer is going to be some They're

1602
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: basically all the same, right, They're basically all just standard

1603
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: issue Democrats who are going to go along with whatever

1604
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: the current political wins are. That makes sense within the

1605
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: Democratic Party context, she has at least said some things

1606
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: that seem to be a little bit better on Gaza.

1607
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: So we're going to cross our fingers and hope she's

1608
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: a little bit better there, and you know, just let

1609
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: this process play out and see who she picks for VP,

1610
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: and just you know, it's almost like a resignation from

1611
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: the beginning that there wasn't going to be a real

1612
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 1: open process.

1613
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,480
Speaker 5: So since it's going to be Kamala.

1614
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: Let's just like buck up and get as excited about

1615
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: it as we possibly can assist since I get from

1616
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: lefties who are truly coconut pilled.

1617
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can put up D seven to pair

1618
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 3: with the last New York Times when this is a

1619
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 3: CNN their poll of polls, they average like six poles

1620
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 3: and they find Harris behind just by one point, so

1621
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 3: basically statistically tied neck and neck with Trump, and so

1622
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: prosecutor going against a felon who's polling better than Biden. Unity. Like,

1623
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 3: that's basically the argument for the Kamala Harris campaign.

1624
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: I think it is my own vibe check for what

1625
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 1: it's worth. I think it is likely that she actually

1626
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: sees a bump in these polls because, for one, thing

1627
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: you have. The narrative about her has been very negative,

1628
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways deservedly so, because when

1629
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: she has had these big moments on national stage, she

1630
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: hasn't performed partially well. However, Joe Biden has set the

1631
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: bar so low for a Canada and Donald Trump has

1632
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 1: as well in his own way that I think perhaps

1633
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: just having someone who is not Donald Trump or Joe

1634
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: Biden is going to be a relief for a significant

1635
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: number of Americans seeing someone who is going to be finished.

1636
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: You know, she is elected president and this next term

1637
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: is not going to be eighty years old or well

1638
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: into her eighties by the time it's finished. I think

1639
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: that also just Trump, Yeah, she does. And I saw

1640
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: lots of Democrats immediately jumping on that. Kenny Serve out

1641
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: the next term, he's going to be the oldest in history,

1642
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And you know, I actually think

1643
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: that there is something to that, because when we did

1644
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: the word clouds with Trump, it's not like his his

1645
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: word cloud associations were great.

1646
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 5: Criminal was the number one.

1647
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: I believe old was in there for him too, Like

1648
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: there are concerns about him and his advanced age as well.

1649
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: So you get this roll out for her, you get

1650
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: media excitement around her.

1651
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 5: She feels like even.

1652
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: Though she's been in politics and she's been the VP,

1653
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: they kind of kept her buried for a long time,

1654
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,440
Speaker 1: so she feels.

1655
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 5: Like a fresh face.

1656
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Also, the fact that she was completely disconnected from any

1657
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: of the power centers and the Biden administration now begins

1658
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: to look like an asset for her because she has

1659
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of seeming distance from any of the

1660
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: negative decisions that were made there. So I suspect she's

1661
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: probably going to pick up in the polls a little

1662
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: bit at least in the short term, and then we'll

1663
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: see if she's able to carry that on her own.

1664
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: But certainly going into the DNC, there's going to be

1665
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: so much of a better feeling about it. There are still,

1666
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: as Weigel was saying earlier on still plans for protests

1667
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 1: against the Biden Harris policy in the Gaza genocide, So

1668
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: you'll still have some discontent, but I think the young

1669
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 1: voters who were not going to vote for Biden were

1670
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: disgusted with him over his policy, will be more open

1671
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: to the possibility of getting on board with a Kamala Harris.

1672
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 3: So that's the case for Kamala. Let's do the case

1673
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 3: against Kamala and what makes democrats so nervous, And we'll

1674
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 3: start by rolling this clip, famous clip from the debate

1675
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 3: in the summer of twenty nineteen when Kamala Harris was

1676
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: running for president. The substance of what you're about to

1677
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 3: watch is important, but in some ways almost less important

1678
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,839
Speaker 3: than what it says about. You know who Kamala Harris

1679
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,919
Speaker 3: is as a politician, as aid and as a candidate.

1680
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 3: So let's roll this and then talk about the problems

1681
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 3: that a lot of Democrats are identifying around this that

1682
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: have not they don't believe been reformed yet. Congress Woman Gabert,

1683
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 3: you took issue with Senator Harris confronting Vice President Biden

1684
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 3: at the last debate. You called it a quote false

1685
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,719
Speaker 3: accusation that Joe Biden is a racist.

1686
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 4: What's your response?

1687
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 12: I want to bring the conversation back to the broken

1688
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 12: criminal justice system that is disproportionately negatively impacting black and

1689
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 12: brown people all across this country. Today, Senator Harris says

1690
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 12: she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that

1691
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 12: she'll be a prosecutor president. But I'm deeply concerned about

1692
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 12: this record. There are too many examples to cite, but

1693
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 12: she put over fifteen hundred people in jail for marijuana

1694
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 12: violations and then laughed about it when she was asked

1695
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 12: if she ever smoked marijuana. She blocked evidence. She blocked

1696
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 12: evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death

1697
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 12: row until the courts forced her to do so. She

1698
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 12: kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them

1699
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 12: as cheap labor for the state of California. And she

1700
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 12: fought to keep cash fail system in place that impacts

1701
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 12: poor people in the worst kind of way.

1702
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 4: Thank you, Congresswoman Senator Harris your response.

1703
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 13: As the elected Attorney General of California, I did the

1704
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 13: work of significantly reforming the criminal justice system of a

1705
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 13: state of forty million people, which became a national model

1706
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 13: for the work that needs to be done. And I

1707
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 13: am proud of that work. And I am proud of

1708
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 13: making a decision to not just give fancy speeches or

1709
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 13: be in a legislative body and give speeches on floor,

1710
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 13: but actually doing the work of being in the position

1711
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 13: to use the power that I had to reform a

1712
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 13: system that is badly in need of reform, that is

1713
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 13: why we created initiatives that were about re entering former

1714
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 13: offenders and getting them counseling. It is why, and because

1715
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 13: I know that criminal justice system is so broken that

1716
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 13: I am an advocate for.

1717
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 4: What we need to do to not only dicriminalize, but.

1718
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 13: Legalize marijuana in the United States.

1719
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 4: I want to bring a Congressman Gabbard back in your.

1720
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 12: Responsible The bottom line is, Senator Harris, when you were

1721
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 12: in a position to make a difference and an impact

1722
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 12: in these people's lives, you did not. And worse yet,

1723
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 12: in the case of those who were on death row,

1724
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 12: innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that

1725
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 12: would have freed them until you were forced to do so.

1726
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 12: There is no excuse for that. And the people who

1727
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 12: suffered under your reign as prosecutor, oh, you owe them

1728
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 12: an apology.

1729
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 3: And so what's important to understand about that exchange? We

1730
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: can put up D ten here. So in January of

1731
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, Lara Bazelon wrote a column in The New

1732
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 3: York Times which was widely read across democratic circles that

1733
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: basically formed the research that Tulsa Gabbard used in her

1734
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 3: annihilation of Kamala Harris. There and Basilon is part of

1735
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 3: the Basilon family that is kind of legal royalty and

1736
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 3: democratic circles. And so this was a pitch that Kamala

1737
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:27,839
Speaker 3: Harris saw coming for six months seven months. The debate

1738
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 3: was in July, this was published in January. This was

1739
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 3: the knock on her throughout the campaign. So you can

1740
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 3: talk about the substance of the critique that Tulsi makes,

1741
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 3: and it's strong and it resonates with people on the

1742
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 3: left far more than it will resonate with people on

1743
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: the right. But what it also says is how did

1744
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 3: you not have an answer for that? By that point?

1745
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 3: Think about what she said there. So first she said,

1746
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: I did the work. I didn't just give speeches, you know,

1747
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 3: I reformed the system and I want to legalize marijuana.

1748
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 3: Nowhere in there is a single response to what anything

1749
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 3: now Tulsi said. And then it enabled Tulsi to come

1750
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 3: back and just like finish her off with Okay, well

1751
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 3: you just you didn't respond, right, So how did you

1752
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 3: have nothing there?

1753
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1754
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing is Kamala Harris. My impression of her

1755
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: during twenty twenty is when she was prepared, like when

1756
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: she had her scripted lines ready, to go. She was

1757
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: good at delivering them, and you know, it actually makes

1758
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: sense with a prosecutor background, like she's good in that

1759
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: role when she's the one leading the charge, when she's

1760
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: the one pushing the conversation. She's not as good when

1761
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: she's having to respond, when she's having to think on

1762
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:41,919
Speaker 1: her feet.

1763
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 5: And now the.

1764
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: Other piece here goes to also preparation. This was something

1765
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: else that her staff was leaking about her after her

1766
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: campaign imploded, which is that she didn't quote unquote do

1767
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: the work when it came to preparing for these instances.

1768
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 1: And then when she was caught flat footed and doesn't

1769
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: have a response to what is an obvious, you know,

1770
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: coming line of a tack, then she would blow up

1771
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: at her staffers and blame them when they would say, listen,

1772
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: you you had the briefing, like you could have done

1773
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the work and been prepared for this moment, but we

1774
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: can only do so much. You have to be the

1775
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: one that actually does that and ultimately performs the irony

1776
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: of course of this. First of all, Number one, you

1777
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: would never hear tolsy gah, we're talking like this today

1778
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: with her hardwrit sir.

1779
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 5: That's number one. Yeah, I was like, oh, I remember

1780
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 5: why I used to like this lady.

1781
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: Right, that's number one. Number two, I've seen a bunch

1782
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: of lefties. I'm sure you've seen this too, Like all right, leftists,

1783
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: stop talking about her good voting record in the Senate,

1784
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: now go back to calling her a cop so that

1785
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: the general public wants to vote for her an election.

1786
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: So the Trump campaign is going to take the exact

1787
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: opposite tack with her and have already telegraphed and already

1788
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: started to put these pitches out that she was quote

1789
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: unquote soft on crime when she was in California as

1790
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 1: part of you know, what they portray is like a healthscape,

1791
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: dystopian healthscape in the state of Californian is too liberal,

1792
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: coastal liberal leap, et cetera, et cetera. Like that's going

1793
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: to be the brush they paint her with. But you're

1794
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct. It's not the substance here that

1795
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: she has to worry about, because, in a way, the

1796
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: attacks that Tulcy is making on her here, like you

1797
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: will never hear those same attacks on her from a

1798
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: Republican that's and it could be an issue, but the

1799
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: fact that she was so unable to handle it in

1800
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: the moment, even though it was so predictable. It's consistent

1801
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: with a number of Kamala Harris moments that we've seen

1802
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: that have not gone particularly well for her. And so

1803
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: perhaps it looks like Donald Trump now is getting a

1804
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: little squeamish about having to debate her.

1805
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 5: He put on a truth that.

1806
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: Was like, well, I only want to do it if

1807
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: it's on Fox News. I think she would have a

1808
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: hard time debating him because his whole thing is throwing

1809
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: people off balance, and I think that's a difficult place

1810
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: for her to be. In a sense, I relate to

1811
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: it because I'm much better prepared and thought through than

1812
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: I am just off the cuff on my feet as well.

1813
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: But it is not her strength to be in a

1814
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: sort of chaotic, free for all type of environment where

1815
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: she can't have digested all her talking points and be

1816
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: just ready to go with them.

1817
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 3: And on the substance, though, I'm not actually certain that

1818
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 3: Trump won't hit her with his stuff. Trump loves to

1819
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 3: talk about how he did the First Step Act, which

1820
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 3: was that you know that moved towards criminal justice reform,

1821
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 3: that he did with Jared Kushner and Van Jones and

1822
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 3: I think you are going to see kind of targeted

1823
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 3: attacks at kind of progressive voters of black community generally.

1824
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 5: That's true, that's a good point.

1825
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 3: That maybe don't have the campaign's fingerprints, but yeah, we

1826
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 3: see a lot of and you'll you'll hear probably about

1827
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 3: the people who are appear to be innocent that are

1828
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 3: still in prison to.

1829
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: This as on black radio stations, mailers going on to

1830
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: certain communities.

1831
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 3: Refused to allow the elevenant allow the evidence to be seen.

1832
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Another example that we have that you will probably all

1833
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 3: remember of a pitch that you could see coming from

1834
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: miles and miles away and her just badly whiffing on.

1835
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 3: And your point about her staff complaining that she refuses

1836
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 3: to prepare for these is very important because that's that

1837
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 3: goes to her ability to campaign and to govern like

1838
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 3: this other one was if you remember, she was assigned

1839
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: dealing with the border crisis, and the media for and

1840
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 3: particularly Fox, but the media in general for weeks had

1841
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 3: this meme going of when is Kamala Harris going to

1842
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 3: go visit the border? Why won't you visit the border?

1843
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 3: Because the argument is it's a complete catastrophe down at

1844
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 3: the border once you see it with your own eyes.

1845
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 3: You can't deny it any longer, and you have to

1846
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: and then you have to actually commit to solving the problem.

1847
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 3: So the question when are you going to go to

1848
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 3: the border was already being publicly asked of Kamala Harris

1849
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 3: constantly when she sat down for this interview, got that question,

1850
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: and good lord, watch the answer. Can you have any

1851
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 3: plans to visit the border?

1852
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 13: I'm here in Guatemala today. At some point, you know,

1853
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 13: we are going to the border.

1854
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 5: We've been to the border.

1855
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 13: So this whole, this whole, this whole.

1856
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 5: Thing about the border. We've been to the border. We've

1857
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 5: been to the border.

1858
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 3: You haven't been to the border.

1859
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 5: And I haven't been to Europe.

1860
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 3: We've been to the border. We've been to the border.

1861
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 3: You haven't been to the border. Well, that's true, we

1862
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 3: haven't been to Europe. And well she also has like

1863
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 3: two moves if you if you've noticed that. One is

1864
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 3: she'll do the laugh to like disarm people, and yeah, god,

1865
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 3: the laugh, and Trump has already called, you know, called

1866
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: laughing calm La. I'm not sure that works, not his

1867
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 3: best nickname. Her other move is indignation, which she did

1868
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 3: kind of fake in indignation. She did it in response

1869
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 3: to Tulca, how dare you? I'm doing the work, And

1870
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 3: she did it to lesser Holt there like little indignant like,

1871
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 3: we've been to the border.

1872
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: Right, It's what this whole idea, We have been to

1873
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: the boarder, but you haven't been to the border.

1874
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 3: And so first she starts with just throws her hand up. Yeah,

1875
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 3: and you if you guys want just to scroll it

1876
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 3: back watch it again just to see how just epically

1877
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 3: bad it was. First she throws her hands up, says

1878
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 3: we're in Guatemala. And remember she knew this question was coming.

1879
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 3: And I think the dumb gotcha question, who cares if

1880
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: she goes to the border or not? What your border

1881
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 3: policy is is what actually matters? That doesn't That's not

1882
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 3: the point. The point is she knew the question was coming.

1883
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 3: When are you going to the border? Why haven't you

1884
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 3: gone yet? First she throws her hands up and says, well,

1885
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 3: we're in Guatemala. Then she says we're going to go

1886
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 3: to the border. Then she just freezes it all out

1887
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 3: of nowhere. It just says we've been to the border, right,

1888
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:37,520
Speaker 3: Like that is not an a level politician answer, No

1889
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 3: notice Selena Meyer level answer.

1890
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 5: Not even close. But the question is whether you need

1891
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 5: an A level politician to.

1892
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 3: Be Trump at the same That is the Democrats hope

1893
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 3: at this point. Yeah, and it's also possible Trump is

1894
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 3: historically unpopular. Yeah, and it's now the other question is

1895
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 3: what happens to Democrats if she's president for four years

1896
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 3: and governance like that. Now, maybe she can grow in

1897
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 3: the office learn But if she refuses to prepare going

1898
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 3: forward as president, you know, I, you know, beating Trump

1899
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 3: for Democrats is the number one priority and they'll figure

1900
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 3: everything else out later. Yeah, but historically unpopular president wouldn't

1901
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 3: be good either.

1902
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: Right, No, that's absolutely the case. And you know, in

1903
01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: terms of like it's almost a fool's erin to try

1904
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: to divine what her actual policy views are because and

1905
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: this was the thing about her twenty twenty campaign. As

1906
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: a stafford in the post mortem was saying, like we

1907
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: were changing slogans with the seasons. You know, it was

1908
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: from the beginning to the middle to the you know,

1909
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: almost end to the complete end, they kept shifting and

1910
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: kept trying to pivot.

1911
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 5: You brought up earlier how when it looked like.

1912
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: The thing to do was like to get to the

1913
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: left in the party and to sign on to Medicare

1914
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: for all. She did that, she tries to embrace it

1915
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 1: the debate, she gets backlash from donors, then she tries

1916
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:59,839
Speaker 1: to run away from that. So there wasn't any real

1917
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: ideological core in evidence, and so you can kind of

1918
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: look at her record through whatever prism you want. When

1919
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: she was AG of California, you know when she was

1920
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: When she was in California, she was i would say

1921
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: war conservatives. She was very friendly with Silicon Valley, very

1922
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: friendly with like, you know, the business community there. This

1923
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: was at a time and there was a time when

1924
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: it was really consequential when she was AG, when you

1925
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: had the rise of these giant tech monopolies. She also

1926
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,600
Speaker 1: was David dan has done great work about, you know,

1927
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: her coziness with banks and some of the bad decisions

1928
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 1: she made with regard to that, her record in the Senate.

1929
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: That's when she decides the lateness to be progressive right

1930
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: and to sort of hug the Warren Bernie side of

1931
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: the aisle. She thought that would be your pathway forward.

1932
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: And so if you look at her voting record and

1933
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: things she championed there, then you come away with a

1934
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: very different, a very different impression. I think the general

1935
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 1: public impression of her is just sort of like, you know,

1936
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 1: California liberal. Probably the issue she has the most ideological

1937
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: commitment to our social issues, like, I think she probably

1938
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 1: genuinely cares about abortion, has been a fairly effective messenger

1939
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: on abortion, and that does that happens to be a

1940
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: good issue for her to be an effective messenger on

1941
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: right at the moment, given how much how important that

1942
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: has been to democratic fortunes of late.

1943
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was this really revealing moment to your point

1944
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 3: where she was on Colbert and he pressed her on

1945
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 3: you called Biden racist at this debate and really brutalized him,

1946
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 3: and now you're his vice president. She laughed and said

1947
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 3: it was a debate, right, which and he was like

1948
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 3: he didn't quite get the joke. But what she was

1949
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 3: trying to say was I didn't mean.

1950
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Speaker 5: It, right, I was just saying that for the camera politics.

1951
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 3: I just say I just say things because I think

1952
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 3: they're going to work for me in that moment, And

1953
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 3: it's funny that you think anything different. It's like, oh, okay,

1954
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 3: all right, yeah, I thought we were taking this seriously. Yeah,

1955
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 3: so I thinks I'm the sucker.

1956
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 5: How do you handicap it?

1957
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: At this point in terms of of her likelihood of

1958
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,360
Speaker 1: succeeding in the fall.

1959
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 3: I think fifty to fifty. I think because Trump is

1960
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 3: just you know, they're both going to be well, they're

1961
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 3: both they're both unpopular, right, but somebody's got a win.

1962
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 5: Right, right, Yeah, I think I probably still give Trump.

1963
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: The edge just given you know, such a known quantity,

1964
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: given listen, I don't want to deny that, like their

1965
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 1: racism and sexism exists, that there will be some group

1966
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: of voters who are who can't envision her in commander

1967
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: as the commander in chief role, because we've never seen

1968
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: it before. I do think that those those are real

1969
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: challenges that she'll have to overcome. I think she is

1970
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: definitely not an A plus political player. She came up

1971
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: in California politics because of basically the Californian Democratic Party machine.

1972
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,599
Speaker 1: So it's not like she really, you know, wowed people

1973
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: there and won them over. She completely flops in twenty twenty,

1974
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: So it's not like there's an electoral track record of

1975
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: success that you can really pin on Kamala Harris. So

1976
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I think it's some better odds than not that even

1977
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: with Kamala as the nominee, Trump still wins the White

1978
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: House back.

1979
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 5: But she got a better shot than Biden.

1980
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 3: A friend suggested she run on the slogan, I know

1981
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 3: you don't like me, but I will fight for you

1982
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 3: the best we can do. Let's move on to her

1983
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 3: vice presidential selections. You can put this first element up

1984
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 3: from Yashar. The endorsements are pouring in from her potential opponents,

1985
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,799
Speaker 3: Mark Kelly the Astronaut, which would be such a nineties

1986
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 3: kind of way to eighties and nineties kind of way

1987
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,919
Speaker 3: to go about running up presidential Canada, get the astronaut

1988
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 3: hero Andy Basheer, want to hear more from Crystal Fellow

1989
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 3: Appalachian Roy Cooper nor popular North Carolina governor and Joshapiro

1990
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 3: extremely popular and talented kind of Pennsylvania Governor. Gretchen Whitmer

1991
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 3: has since joined this chorus, saying that they're going to

1992
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 3: support Kamala Harris Uh let me oh, let me hear

1993
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 3: your take on Basher like, yeah, he's he's speaking right now,

1994
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 3: Like as we record this on Morning Shoe on Morning Show,

1995
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 3: What are the Morning Joe people going to think? You think?

1996
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I think they're gonna like him. So here's here's

1997
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 1: the thing. So of that list, which seems to be

1998
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 1: the most core for that are being floated as potential

1999
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Kamala VP. Do here of those individuals. Mark Kelly I

2000
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 1: think has an issue because he's a senator and Arizona's

2001
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: a tough state, so you immediately have an issue of like,

2002
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: all right, well then we have to have an election,

2003
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: and sentence already very gravely in doubt. So I think

2004
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 1: he's an issue. So I think you're probably most likely

2005
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: looking at one of these three governors. Andy by Cheer

2006
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 1: is the one I happen to have the most knowledge of.

2007
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: He's the governor of Kentucky. He has won, he won reelection.

2008
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: He is the last time I checked, the most popular

2009
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: democratic governor in the entire country among his constituency acts.

2010
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,599
Speaker 1: Also happens to be young. He's forty six years old.

2011
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: He's got a young family as well. Comes from basically

2012
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 1: political royalty in Kentucky. His dad was also Steve Basheer,

2013
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: was also governor. Kentucky's the state where those things still

2014
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: really matter, so that helped to give him an edge

2015
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: in terms of winning the primary and then being able

2016
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 1: to beat originally Matt Bevin, who was the Republican governor

2017
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 1: of the state of Kentucky.

2018
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 5: And you know, it's hard to say.

2019
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 1: Where he is ideologically because he has a Republican legislature,

2020
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's been able to really push

2021
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: and champion his own agenda. But I will tell you,

2022
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: having lived in Kentucky, it is a state that is

2023
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's a rural populist state. He wins wins

2024
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 1: election initially on the back of the teacher strike wave

2025
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: and Matt Bevin was messing with teachers pensions. This created

2026
01:41:55,080 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 1: a statewide cross ideological revolt that created the conditions for

2027
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Anniebasheer initially to win election. Then you ask, then he's

2028
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 1: faced with COVID and all of the fraut political issues

2029
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: over that, and whatever you think of these decisions. He

2030
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't do what you might expect a democratic governor in

2031
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,480
Speaker 1: an increasingly read state to do. He was quite aggressive

2032
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: in terms of COVID protocols, and he held regular press

2033
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:28,640
Speaker 1: conferences to really explain his decisions. He also has not

2034
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:31,920
Speaker 1: backed away from social issues in the way that you

2035
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 1: might expect a democratic governor in an increasingly read state

2036
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,519
Speaker 1: to do as well. There are lots of anecdotes about him,

2037
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, embracing trans people and being confronted with you know,

2038
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: a photograph of him with an arm around someone and saying, listen,

2039
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: you're a bigot for making a big deal of this.

2040
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 5: Of course I support people's equality.

2041
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:52,679
Speaker 1: Then after Roe versus Weight is overturned, he's up for reelection.

2042
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: They do off year's elections in Kentucky's I believe it

2043
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty one. He's up for reelection against Mitch

2044
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: McConnell's hand picked candidate who was seen as having a

2045
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,599
Speaker 1: lot of political prowess the ag in the state, Daniel Cameron,

2046
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: and he runs aggressively on choice. There was a stunning

2047
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: ad that he aired of a young girl who had

2048
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: been raped and she's talking about Daniel Cameron would force

2049
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: me to have my rapist baby. And not only does

2050
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 1: he win re election, but he increases his margin from

2051
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 1: the first time he got in there. And I'm talking

2052
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot about social issues here, just to show you

2053
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 1: hasn't sort of backed down from some of the tougher

2054
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,719
Speaker 1: and more challenging issues for Democrats in these type of states.

2055
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: But really his core message that he originally got elected

2056
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: on was very labor centric, and part of his popularity.

2057
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 1: Why he's so popular in the state is because he's

2058
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 1: brought a lot of jobs. He's been very focused on

2059
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: economic development. Some of the new battery manufacturing plants have

2060
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 1: been brought are coming into Kentucky, creating a lot of

2061
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: new jobs, most of those new union jobs. It's still

2062
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: a state that has a pretty high union density, which

2063
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 1: is part of unfavorable towards him. I also, I know,

2064
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've met him, we're now like friends, but

2065
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,879
Speaker 1: I've been around him in lots of these Democratic Party circles.

2066
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 5: His vibe is not political genius.

2067
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 1: His vibe is very like dad in a minivan, just

2068
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 1: very normal, very normal seeming guy.

2069
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 5: And the most core commitment I.

2070
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: Could really tell you is that he's been very tied

2071
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: in with labor or labor's been very supportive of him.

2072
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 1: He's been very supportive of labor, and so you know,

2073
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: I would expect him to continue to bring that commitment

2074
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 1: to the table were he to be vice president. So

2075
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, the downsides for him is it's not a

2076
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,639
Speaker 1: Kentucky's not a swing state. I don't know how well

2077
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison knows him. So I don't know if there's

2078
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: a comfort factor there, but certainly on demonstrated ability to

2079
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: appeal to, you know, the to a population that is

2080
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: skeptical of Democrats at this point in time, He more

2081
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: than anyone else, has that demonstrated.

2082
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 5: Track record for sure.

2083
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 3: Forty six year old dad in the minivan sounds like

2084
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 3: my kind of guy.

2085
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2086
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 3: Also relatedly like a black hole of charisma. So how

2087
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 3: does that play like, because oftentimes when these state level

2088
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 3: politicians move up to the national level, Yeah, they just

2089
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 3: sometimes they catch on. Other times they just bomb immediately. Yeah,

2090
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 3: and we're like, what, Kentucky, what are you doing?

2091
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2092
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the question mark. He's certainly not

2093
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: going to outshine anyone on a ticket. I mean just

2094
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: in terms of like his personal charisma. He definitely get

2095
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 1: the sense from him that if his dad, if his

2096
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 1: family business.

2097
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 5: Wasn't politics, he wouldn't be in politics.

2098
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: In some ways, that's a downside, and the other way

2099
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 1: it kind of has a charm to it, because he

2100
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 1: does come off as a little ill suited to the role,

2101
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: and so maybe the non charismatic dad vibes work for him.

2102
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 1: Maybe it's hard for people to imagine him in the role.

2103
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 1: There's another piece that's interesting to him, which is, first

2104
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: of all, obviously, Kentucky is you know, an Appalachian state.

2105
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: Eastern Kentucky is Cole Country. He he has outperformed in

2106
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:05,919
Speaker 1: cold Country. And these are like historic Democrats, Like historically

2107
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 1: they vote Democratic in this part of Kentucky's still at

2108
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: the state level they will vote for Democrats. And you

2109
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: saw that with Bashir and that's because he positioned himself

2110
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 1: in this like pro education, pro labor, pro job way.

2111
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: He was able to outperform in a part of the

2112
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: state that has become very very deep red difficult for Democrats,

2113
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: has been very pop you know, that's where Trump has

2114
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,560
Speaker 1: also seen some of his highest levels of support. It

2115
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 1: would make him an interesting matchup with Jadie Vance, who

2116
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,640
Speaker 1: also claims this, you know, Appalachian credibility, and that's like

2117
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: his whole thing. So it would be fun as a

2118
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: political nerd and someone who's very interested in, you know,

2119
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: this part of the country and has my own on

2120
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 1: my dad's side, Appalachian roots. It'd be very fun to

2121
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: watch that matchup between them. The last thing I'll say

2122
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: about him before I shut up, because I know nobody

2123
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: cares about this as much as I do. When he

2124
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: initially the guy he beat, Matt Bevan, this Republican that

2125
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: he beat, Bevin was elected, he was the canary in

2126
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 1: the coal mine for Trump because he wins in twenty fifteen,

2127
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: and he's this sort of brash businessman who comes out

2128
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 1: of nowhere, and you may think of Kentucky has read

2129
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 1: at that point, Kentucky was only electing Democratic governors and

2130
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: still the state House was Democratic. Comes out of nowhere.

2131
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: He's behind ten points I think in the polls and

2132
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: is able to beat the establishment Democratic pick, the equivalent

2133
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 1: of the Hillary Clinton pick on the Democratic side. And

2134
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: so Matt Bevan is seen as this like canary in

2135
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 1: the coal mine for Trump, and then Andy Scheer is

2136
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: able to defeat him. So in any case, there's a

2137
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: lot about him that I find interesting, just because I

2138
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: happen to know more about his story than I know

2139
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: about the stories of these other potential picks.

2140
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 3: And he's right, and to your point, he is kind

2141
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 3: of He has governed as a kind of progressive, not

2142
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 3: a not totally across the board, but he did not

2143
01:47:57,080 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 3: do a I'm going to be a center right Republican light.

2144
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 3: He was like, he's just unabashedly and so interesting. Interesting guy. Yeah.

2145
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 1: So we also have some of the others, you know,

2146
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:08,800
Speaker 1: in top contenders who can put up on the screen.

2147
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 1: I think Gretchen Whitmer is the next one that we have.

2148
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,240
Speaker 1: You guys probably heard more about her. Governor of Michigan,

2149
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 1: fifty two years old. She's got a sixty one percent

2150
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 1: approval in the state of Michigan. I think it's listen,

2151
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely they put a woman on another

2152
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,560
Speaker 1: woman on the ticket. I think they're looking for the

2153
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: whitest white man that they can possibly find to be

2154
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:27,559
Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison's VP.

2155
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 3: It would be it would be something to lean into it.

2156
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 5: And just go look full girl boss.

2157
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 3: Yes and actually yeah, lean in and Mamalin big and

2158
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: just position yourself as yeah, big, big wretch and Kamala

2159
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 3: against Vance and Trump. It would it would really be

2160
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,320
Speaker 3: a clarifying, kind of true argument on that. But I

2161
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 3: think I think you're probably right that it's unlikely before

2162
01:48:56,240 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 3: speaking of a big, big jbu fairly popular forty eight percent.

2163
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:05,679
Speaker 5: Approved rating great in a democratic state, though not great.

2164
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 3: But everybody hates everybody, so like anything or forty in

2165
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 3: this world. And the thing about him is that he's

2166
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 3: this what they call a billionaire every man, right, This

2167
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:20,679
Speaker 3: he comes from the like Hyatt was it the highest

2168
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 3: fortune whatever whatever? The hotel chain is that all the

2169
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 3: Pritzkers kind of derive their wealth from. Yet somehow he

2170
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 3: has managed to express this persona of a guy that

2171
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,400
Speaker 3: people just really like and just seems genuine.

2172
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's done some good like I couldn't. It

2173
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: would be hard pressed to a whole like prosive stuff,

2174
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, some wage stuff.

2175
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 5: Some labor stuff, all of that. Yeah.

2176
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:52,439
Speaker 1: Ideologically, this guy is probably the closest of the ones

2177
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: who are being discussed. He's probably the closest to our politics.

2178
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 3: That's that's the irony is that the billionaire is the

2179
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 3: most left of the governors. The left really had.

2180
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: A moment with him too, where they were like really

2181
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 1: meming him hard and they were, you know, socialists for

2182
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: pritz Girl.

2183
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 3: Choppo was all about big JB.

2184
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:09,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2185
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 1: So, but I I am not hearing that much about him.

2186
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the swing state poll, you know, and

2187
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if there are other reasons why I'm

2188
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 1: not hearing him as much, But he's one that's on

2189
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:23,799
Speaker 1: the longer short.

2190
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 3: He has not yet endorsed Kamala Harris true, neither has

2191
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,560
Speaker 3: Durban or Duckworth, the senators from Illinois.

2192
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 5: Which interesting.

2193
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 3: It is interesting that the three of them have not

2194
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 3: endorsed HM.

2195
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, he would certainly have lots of money if he

2196
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 1: decided to jump into the conventioned situation.

2197
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 3: So you're like, hey, we've got all this money, there's

2198
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 3: a money problems. He's like, yeah, that's not that's not

2199
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 3: a problem I have.

2200
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2201
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: Next up, we have Joshapiro, who is the governor of Pennsylvania,

2202
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 1: fifty one years old, fifty nine percent approval. He won

2203
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: this gubernatorial election in a romp like it was not

2204
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 1: even close. He Fetterman won quite easily in the same year,

2205
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 1: and Shapiro outperformed even Fetterman. So obviously the Pennsylvania ties

2206
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 1: swing state brings that into play.

2207
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 5: You know, in terms of.

2208
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: His ideology, I will tell you he compared GAZA protesters

2209
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 1: to the KKK. He said, we have to query whether

2210
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: or not we would tolerate this of college student protesters

2211
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: if this were people dressed up in KKK outfits or

2212
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:30,799
Speaker 1: KKK regalia making comments about people who are African American

2213
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: in our communities. So that was his He I think

2214
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 1: is the most ideologic. He happens personally to be Jewish,

2215
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: but outside of that, he appears to be the most

2216
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 1: ideologically committed Zionist as well. Now, his domestic policies have

2217
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: he has taken on some powerful interest in a way

2218
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: that has been interesting. You know, perhaps he's more in

2219
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: line with like the Biden domestic policy agenda. In fact,

2220
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,679
Speaker 1: I guess if you put that together with Biden's also

2221
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: strident Zionism, he maybe has the politics that are most

2222
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:01,759
Speaker 1: similar to Joe.

2223
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 3: Biden, although he's also an adept politician. And you could

2224
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 3: imagine a world in which if there was going to

2225
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 3: be a break with the net Yahou version of Zionism,

2226
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 3: that somebody like Shapiro could lead it, which would be

2227
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 3: a fascinating kind of development, as the Democratic Party just

2228
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 3: kind of structurally sees its its tie with the APAC wing.

2229
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah we can.

2230
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you're saying, because of his personal attennety, commitment

2231
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 1: to the state, he could be the one that would

2232
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: have the credibility to make the break Nixon.

2233
01:52:37,160 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 3: Nixon goes to China, Shapiro goes to Ramaala Ramala, that

2234
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 3: could be. That could be something that could be because

2235
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 3: like where a politician is today does not necessarily determine

2236
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 3: where they're going to be tomorrow.

2237
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:51,679
Speaker 5: So there's that's true.

2238
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 3: So there's that.

2239
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 5: We'll leave that door open, all right. Next, we got

2240
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 5: Roy Cooper.

2241
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: This is another one that I feel like is he's

2242
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 1: a top, top contender. It seems like Kamala been in

2243
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 1: the state with him a couple of times, fairly recently,

2244
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 1: so they have some sort of a cordial relationship. Governor

2245
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: of North Carolina sixty seven years old, fifty two percent

2246
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,799
Speaker 1: approval rating. You know, maybe you can put North Carolina

2247
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: in play if he is on the ticket.

2248
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:16,600
Speaker 5: Potentially, I looked it up.

2249
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 1: I'd only want lost by less than two points in

2250
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,599
Speaker 1: the state of North Carolina last time around. Of course,

2251
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: Obama was able to win North Carolina. Now, this guy,

2252
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,879
Speaker 1: from what I could tell, is kind of the safe

2253
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:32,920
Speaker 1: milk toast Democratic candidate you would expect to be governor

2254
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 1: of a somewhat red state like North Carolina.

2255
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:36,920
Speaker 3: List I meant that Bashir was not.

2256
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't doesn't try to rock the boat, tries

2257
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 1: to say as little as possible, really picks his spots.

2258
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 1: He also has a Republican legislature, so it's not like

2259
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 1: he's been able to really do anything as governor.

2260
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 5: So that's that's my sense of him.

2261
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: Is this very like safe, cautious, studiously, mid middle of

2262
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 1: the road type of politician.

2263
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it would be a very unimaginative choice. And

2264
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 3: I don't see what it adds to the ticket, but

2265
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,520
Speaker 3: I think it's a high possibility.

2266
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2267
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: I know he's the one that I'm like, which makes

2268
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 1: me feel like that's probably who she'll be. And last up,

2269
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 1: we have the aforementioned Mark Kelly Centaer of Arizona, sixty

2270
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 1: years old, fifty percent approval. He's very popular in Arizona.

2271
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, fifty percent doesn't seem that high except when

2272
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 1: you look at every other you know, senate, his senator

2273
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: across the Gunjuri's managed to hold up his approval rating

2274
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: quite well in the state of Arizona. And he's you know,

2275
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: it's not like he's he's not like a Cures in cinema.

2276
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 1: He hasn't gone out of his way to be super

2277
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 1: antagonistic to Democrats. He's just kind of a standard issue

2278
01:54:42,680 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: Democratic politician who happens to have this aspirational personal bio

2279
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: of being the hero astro and also the husband of

2280
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: Gabby Giffords. So that's been his that's kind of his lane. Yeah,

2281
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 1: and I think with him, as I mentioned before, the

2282
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: problem is, I don't think they're going to want to

2283
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,320
Speaker 1: pull him out of the Senate because of that.

2284
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, yeah, that's that's the reason not to do this,

2285
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 3: because you're already you're already staring down the possibility of

2286
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 3: not having the Senate for like twelve years. Yeah, you

2287
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 3: don't want to hasten that at all.

2288
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you open, I mean it would Arizona's

2289
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 1: still really tough, and there aren't candidates just hanging out

2290
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Democratic candidates hanging out there that would have as clear

2291
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: a path to power as he does. So I think

2292
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: that is difficult for him.

2293
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 3: And the next president's going to probably appoint a lot

2294
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 3: of Supreme Court justices very true. Republicans have shown that

2295
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,400
Speaker 3: they're willing to just say no, thank you if they

2296
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 3: control the Senate.

2297
01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, that's exactly right.

2298
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: And the landscape for Democrats is very dire in the

2299
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Senate already because Joe Manchin, they are effectively, you know,

2300
01:55:42,240 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: with him gone. They're losing West Virginia all but certainly

2301
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: and they so they have to pick up a seat

2302
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 1: and Texas, I believe is their best shot. So it's

2303
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 1: already really difficult landscape. But it matters whether you have

2304
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, whether you're down by one seat or four

2305
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: seed or ten seats in the Senate. So I have

2306
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:01,920
Speaker 1: a feeling they're not going to want to go in

2307
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: that direction.

2308
01:56:02,520 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. So we now have footage

2309
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,960
Speaker 3: of this strike that the Huthis were able to carry

2310
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 3: out in Tel Aviv. If we can roll this here,

2311
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:16,080
Speaker 3: A drone was able to penetrate Israeli air space, which

2312
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 3: the Israelis have said was the result of human error,

2313
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:24,640
Speaker 3: not a system error, and strike an apartment building near

2314
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:30,000
Speaker 3: US consulate because the embassy is the US something because

2315
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:35,000
Speaker 3: the embassy is now in Jerusalem, killing an Israeli civilian,

2316
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 3: an attack on civilian infrastructure, which we should all condemn here.

2317
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 3: At the same time, what everyone at CNN or elsewhere

2318
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 3: would say in a situation was like this is that

2319
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 3: Israel is known to embed elements of its military infrastructure

2320
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 3: inside Tel Aviv, which, according to Shields Human Shields now

2321
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 3: that does not justify the killing of civilians for some reason,

2322
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 3: that is always held up by the Western media as

2323
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,880
Speaker 3: justification for the killing of civilians in Gaza, because they

2324
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 3: will accurately say that Hamas does embed its military infrastructure

2325
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 3: inside its civilian infrastructure, Israel does the same thing. Absolutely

2326
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 3: does not justify attacking civilian infrastructure.

2327
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a very good point.

2328
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:24,640
Speaker 1: We could put a tear sheet up on the screen,

2329
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: which from Haretz, which spells out what this could mean.

2330
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 1: You already have this conflict has spread to Iran. You've

2331
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 1: had this conflict spread to Lebanon. Certainly ongoing back and

2332
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 1: forth between Husbulah and Israel, and the Houthis have been

2333
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 1: out there doing their thing. This is a major escalation

2334
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: though from the Huthis. The headline here is Huthi drone

2335
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 1: strike on Tel Aviv marks a new phase in the

2336
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: October seventh war. The Huthi say tel Aviv will now

2337
01:57:52,440 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 1: be a main target. An excellent deal for Iran, they say,

2338
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 1: as Israel's multi front war just got tougher, though the

2339
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:03,320
Speaker 1: worst drone threat remain Hezbolah in the North. Another analysis

2340
01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 1: that I read Ryan Says describes the Houthis as a determined,

2341
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: radical enemy that is hard to deter and they invest

2342
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: a lot of effort in psychological warfare and are armed

2343
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: with increasingly sophisticated long range weapons. They also talk about

2344
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: the failure to in allowing this drone strike through because

2345
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:24,440
Speaker 1: of course Israel has extensive air defense systems. The failure

2346
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:26,600
Speaker 1: to operate that air defense system, as the Air Force

2347
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 1: has admitted, looms behind Friday morning's attack. A preliminary investigation

2348
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 1: shows the drone was detected heading toward Israel, but for

2349
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 1: some reason was not considered a threat and the military

2350
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: did not try to intercept it. So for Israeli's this

2351
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:46,720
Speaker 1: sense of insecurity was a real goal of this hoothy strike,

2352
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: of that we can hit you in Tel Aviv. Is

2353
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: they expect some danger in the north of Israel has

2354
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 1: been evacuated, certainly in what they call the Gaza envelope

2355
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:03,200
Speaker 1: near there. There's obviously acknowledgment of the dangers that lurk there,

2356
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: But that combatants can strike you even in the heart

2357
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 1: of Tel Aviv is another level of sort of psychological warfare.

2358
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the apartment apparently was home to displaced people

2359
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 3: from inside Israel because they're north in the South have

2360
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 3: seen significant displacements as a result of this war. So

2361
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 3: Israel struck back hard, hitting the port of Data. Now

2362
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,280
Speaker 3: Hodada is the main entry point for humanitarian aid. The

2363
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 3: seizing of Hodata by the Saudis and Amradis years ago

2364
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 3: is what really precipitated the humanitarian crisis, the famine that

2365
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 3: we saw over years. These Israelis, according to the reporting,

2366
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 3: have had a real difficulty in finding where the Houthis

2367
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:55,919
Speaker 3: are dashing, basically their military infrastructure, their drones or missiles,

2368
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 3: and so they went right for the civilian infrastructure. They

2369
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 3: hit hit Data power plan, hit this, hit this fuel depot,

2370
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:08,720
Speaker 3: and are they argued that, and this is the reporting

2371
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 3: in the Israeli press, that it's okay that their attack

2372
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:16,040
Speaker 3: on the port is going to disrupt humanitarian supplies getting

2373
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,879
Speaker 3: through the port because the Huthis actually steal the supplies

2374
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:22,520
Speaker 3: for themselves and don't distribute them to the Yamany citizenry,

2375
02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:26,720
Speaker 3: which of course Israel has profound respect for. Precise the

2376
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 3: same argument that they have used in in why you

2377
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:34,760
Speaker 3: know they're they're inhibiting so much of the flow of

2378
02:00:35,080 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 3: aid into Gaza, that is facility that Hamas is just

2379
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 3: stealing all of the aids. So it's the exact same

2380
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:46,560
Speaker 3: argument that they're that they're making there. We don't have

2381
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 3: this element yet because I just got this from a

2382
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 3: couple of sources who do humanitarian work. But they're saying

2383
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 3: that the number of trucks that have come through from

2384
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 3: July first to July fifteenth average of eighty six a day,

2385
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 3: which is up from it was a seventy six.

2386
02:01:04,840 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 5: In June into Gaza, into Gaza.

2387
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Speaker 3: This they have been saying, we need at least a

2388
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 3: thousand a day, Like that's what humanitarian eight works is

2389
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 3: you need a thousand a day for the people there.

2390
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 5: Eighty six is effectively nothing.

2391
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighty six is very very close to zero. And

2392
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 3: getting reports now that the Israelis have now come up

2393
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:30,879
Speaker 3: with a new method they're asking they're asking the ships

2394
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:34,400
Speaker 3: and the trucks for their quote donation number. It's like

2395
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 3: a new bureaucratic hurdle. What's your donation number? And all

2396
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 3: the humanitarians, what are you talking about donation number? And

2397
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:43,960
Speaker 3: so then they're all being turned back around. You don't

2398
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:46,360
Speaker 3: want a donation number? Back of the line, Wow, don't

2399
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,520
Speaker 3: want with donation number? Where do we get a donation number,

2400
02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 3: Well you don't have one.

2401
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:52,280
Speaker 1: And the US isn't even pretending to help anymore. The

2402
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 1: vaunted Peer announced a great fanfare, and Joe Biden's State

2403
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,160
Speaker 1: of the Union has been completely dismantled after utterly failing.

2404
02:01:59,240 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 1: And it's mentioned, and I mean, the amount of aid

2405
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:04,800
Speaker 1: that got through through the Peer was pathetically tiny, and

2406
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 1: in fact, I think there's a real argument to make

2407
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 1: that it gave the Israelis an excuse because they effectively

2408
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:11,560
Speaker 1: then oh, well, the US is dealing with this, but

2409
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,280
Speaker 1: we don't really have to do this anymore. And since

2410
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 1: the Peer was put into place, like I said, now

2411
02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:21,000
Speaker 1: it's been completely dismantled. But the post peer aid provisioning

2412
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:25,280
Speaker 1: was much worse than the pre Peer aid provisioning, and

2413
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: so we continue to head down this path of utter

2414
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 1: humanitarian catastrophe and crisis. We covered here the letter in

2415
02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 1: the Lancet that says, you know, the true number of

2416
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,640
Speaker 1: deaths is probably more like one hundred and eighty six

2417
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: thousand when you count not just the bullets and the bombs,

2418
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: but when you also count starvation, communicable disease, et cetera.

2419
02:02:43,240 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: And Babe nat Yahoo's heading into town this week to

2420
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:49,760
Speaker 1: speak to Congress with basically no one in sight. I

2421
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:53,120
Speaker 1: think his calculation is basically like Trump's probably going to win,

2422
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna wait it out and do whatever

2423
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 1: the hell I want to do.

2424
02:02:56,120 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's people. I think it should be

2425
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 3: easy for people to understand why that that toll would

2426
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 3: be at that level. If you imagine the washingt DC

2427
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 3: area and which is about seven seven to eight hundred

2428
02:03:06,680 --> 02:03:09,320
Speaker 3: thousand populations, So you expand it out to include a

2429
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 3: lot of the suburbs, you put a wall around it,

2430
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,160
Speaker 3: and you stop anything for the most part, stop anything

2431
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 3: from getting in, stop anything from getting out. You make

2432
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 3: the water filthy. There's there's poliovirus now circulating in Gaza,

2433
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:27,840
Speaker 3: and think and then think about your own family and

2434
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 3: social circle and how many people just would just wouldn't

2435
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 3: be able to survive them and be able to make

2436
02:03:33,480 --> 02:03:37,320
Speaker 3: it because of appointments that they can't get to, medication

2437
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:41,240
Speaker 3: that they that they need to survive, or or just

2438
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 3: the medical crises that arise from drinking the contaminated water

2439
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:49,920
Speaker 3: and then not having the ability to treat that. You

2440
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:54,240
Speaker 3: can imagine that of that population, you know a significant

2441
02:03:54,280 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 3: percentage just simply wouldn't be able to survive it.

2442
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's right.

2443
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean my daughter had to be rushed for airlifted

2444
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:03,080
Speaker 1: for emergency surgery this week, which you know, and.

2445
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:06,120
Speaker 3: Any chance she survives that without no, I.

2446
02:04:06,040 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 1: Mean, very unlike and even just normal things that you

2447
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,320
Speaker 1: would think about, like they originally thought it was her

2448
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 1: appendix rupture if that goes untreated, just that, which is

2449
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: a very normal thing. You have sepsis and you're done.

2450
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,120
Speaker 1: So Yeah, it's it's not hard to imagine why those

2451
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 1: numbers would be so high. At the same time, you know,

2452
02:04:24,360 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 1: we have significant news out of the highest international court,

2453
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:32,040
Speaker 1: the International Court of Justice, ruling that the Israeli West

2454
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:35,400
Speaker 1: Bank settlements are illegal, that Israel must immediately cease building

2455
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:38,600
Speaker 1: new settlements, that they must actually evacuate settlers out of

2456
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: the existing settlements. Let's take a listen to the announcement

2457
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 1: of that decision.

2458
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 14: By fourteen votes to one, is all the opinion that

2459
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 14: the State Officer is under an obligation to cease immediately

2460
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:55,160
Speaker 14: all new settlement activities and to evacuate all settlers from

2461
02:04:55,240 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 14: the occupied Personian territory. In favor Salem Judges Thumpco Abraham

2462
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:13,120
Speaker 14: Yuso Shui Bilt charge wars Brand comments to Cleveland, US

2463
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:17,200
Speaker 14: against by President civiltin d.

2464
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:19,200
Speaker 5: So quite an overwhelming decision there.

2465
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 3: Even the American judge voted for it and put up

2466
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 3: F six. So this is it's known as an advisory

2467
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:30,640
Speaker 3: UH opinion UH. But even if it was a non

2468
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:33,320
Speaker 3: advisory opinion, it still has to be enforced by the

2469
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 3: Security Council. But the the the savage nature of it

2470
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 3: and the broad support suggests where the global politics are

2471
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:50,160
Speaker 3: headed at this point. Meanwhile, wild story that we published

2472
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,760
Speaker 3: over at at drop Side News by a Tel Aviv

2473
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 3: reporter named Jannive Coogan and put up this next element,

2474
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,920
Speaker 3: This is f F seven. He got a hold of

2475
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,839
Speaker 3: a plan that was reviewed by the Israeli security councils

2476
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:11,040
Speaker 3: being being considered at the highest levels to basically turn

2477
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:14,400
Speaker 3: turn Gaza over to a puppet regime that that would

2478
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:19,640
Speaker 3: be UH under the control of the Israelis, but would

2479
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 3: be modeled after some type of you know, Saudi or

2480
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 3: Amorati type type situation. That is that that where the

2481
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:31,400
Speaker 3: number one kind of priority is is just getting along

2482
02:06:31,480 --> 02:06:34,600
Speaker 3: with with Israel and they think that you and you

2483
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:37,560
Speaker 3: can read the entire entire report in here over drop

2484
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:41,520
Speaker 3: site News. But they think that if you fix the textbooks,

2485
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:47,040
Speaker 3: you know, just redo the textbooks, redo the curriculum, that

2486
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 3: that's somehow you know, that's going to end the end

2487
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:55,240
Speaker 3: the resentment. Uh. I think every single school in Gaza

2488
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:58,480
Speaker 3: has been destroyed, So where the kids would even go

2489
02:06:58,520 --> 02:07:01,800
Speaker 3: to read these reforms text books remains an open question.

2490
02:07:01,800 --> 02:07:05,839
Speaker 3: I remember interviewing somebody early on from Gaza about the textbooks,

2491
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 3: because this is a big thing that you hear from

2492
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:11,000
Speaker 3: israelis the whole reason they hate us is these terrible textbooks.

2493
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 3: And there's some things in the textbooks. You're like, well,

2494
02:07:13,000 --> 02:07:16,520
Speaker 3: that's that's bad, right, that's actually anti Semitic, and that

2495
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:19,840
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be teaching kids that. And so I asked

2496
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:24,600
Speaker 3: him about this. He's like, look, the entire your entire

2497
02:07:24,760 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 3: upbringing of hearing drones flying over your head, of being

2498
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,879
Speaker 3: treated if you're in the West Bank, being treated horribly

2499
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:38,040
Speaker 3: at checkpoints, or having your parents treated horribly at checkpoints,

2500
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:41,760
Speaker 3: or being unable to travel, or but if you're in Gaza,

2501
02:07:42,120 --> 02:07:45,280
Speaker 3: just being aware that you're not allowed to leave almost

2502
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 3: for any circumstance, including health related ones. And the reason

2503
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:51,720
Speaker 3: is the israelis like the idea that you need to

2504
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:55,960
Speaker 3: be taught resentment in school is so detached from the

2505
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:00,520
Speaker 3: reality of their quote unquote lived experience that you just

2506
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:01,480
Speaker 3: cannot change it.

2507
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,080
Speaker 1: Think about the situation right now, kids aren't in school,

2508
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:09,040
Speaker 1: children are not going to school. So in this view, hey,

2509
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 1: prom solved right not being exposed to these They got

2510
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:16,680
Speaker 1: bad textbooks even as they're being bombed to oblivion and

2511
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:21,160
Speaker 1: starved and dehydrated to death. So yeah, I don't think

2512
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 1: that the reform textbooks are going to really solve the

2513
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:24,640
Speaker 1: problem here for Israel.

2514
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 5: I mean, do you even what does this even look like?

2515
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 1: Is it thought basically will install something like a you know,

2516
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:34,920
Speaker 1: a pa mah mudabas, like just a collaborator regime, and

2517
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:36,640
Speaker 1: that this is going to have any kind of legitives.

2518
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it just seems like a way for Israel

2519
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: to have total occupation control but have some sort of

2520
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:46,880
Speaker 1: a feint at No. No, it's the Palestinians that are

2521
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:49,440
Speaker 1: really running the show, just as they do effectively in

2522
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:50,000
Speaker 1: the West Bank.

2523
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. And it's also I think one reason

2524
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 3: it's getting kicked around seriously is because there's so much

2525
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 3: pressure to plan for the end of the war, that

2526
02:08:59,720 --> 02:09:02,040
Speaker 3: they have to kind of say that they're planning for it,

2527
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 3: when in fact, there doesn't seem to be any actual

2528
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,800
Speaker 3: indication that they that this is going to be wound

2529
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 3: up at any time soon, that the status quo of

2530
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:17,200
Speaker 3: just complete catastrophe, ongoing daily catastrophe with sporadic raids and

2531
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:21,920
Speaker 3: bombings and massacres is actually tenable for now.

2532
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing to wrap up here. I did pull

2533
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: the you know, a story that was published in the

2534
02:09:29,320 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 1: Israeli press about Kamala Harris. You could put this up

2535
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 1: on the screen as we're all trying to read the

2536
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 1: tee leies of what her Gaza Israel policy might be.

2537
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:39,240
Speaker 1: This is the Jerusalem Post, which is a right wing

2538
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:42,879
Speaker 1: after Biden's endorsement, what has Kamala Harris said about Israel?

2539
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,920
Speaker 1: And I believe it's in this piece. I read a

2540
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,880
Speaker 1: couple of these to get a flavor what they were saying.

2541
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 1: That described her as being sort of like the bad

2542
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,600
Speaker 1: cop to Biden's good cop.

2543
02:09:51,680 --> 02:09:52,040
Speaker 5: Biden.

2544
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:55,640
Speaker 1: Now that would be reversed in our view, but her

2545
02:09:55,680 --> 02:10:00,360
Speaker 1: basically being tougher on Israel and saying some more humanitarian things.

2546
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:04,240
Speaker 1: We have some reporting that she has been more concerned

2547
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:06,280
Speaker 1: about policinians raising those concerns.

2548
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 5: Internally, we also have some reports that her.

2549
02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:11,720
Speaker 1: Foreign policy advisor, her top foreign policy advisor, tends to

2550
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:16,840
Speaker 1: come more from the progressive wing of the foreign policy establishment. So,

2551
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, do you have any sense of what we

2552
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:23,200
Speaker 1: can legitimately say about what Kamala Harris's policy might look

2553
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:24,280
Speaker 1: like on this issue.

2554
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 3: No, it's very hard to say. Now. I've seen some

2555
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 3: serious concern that some of her some serious concern from

2556
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 3: kind of the hawkish wing of Washington's foreign policy establishment,

2557
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 3: that she has some advisors who are significantly less hawkish,

2558
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:43,680
Speaker 3: and so there's going to be a major jockeying I

2559
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:49,560
Speaker 3: think for who surrounds her staff. Wise, right now, the

2560
02:10:49,840 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 3: kind of the Ben Rhodes wing of like the Obama

2561
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,560
Speaker 3: like the best you're going to do within this Democratic

2562
02:10:57,600 --> 02:11:02,800
Speaker 3: Party is basically Obama's like foreign foreign policy where he

2563
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 3: was willing to buck a pack and do the Iran deal,

2564
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 3: where he was not interested in just cozying up to

2565
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:13,560
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia and the amaraateis and uh and and that

2566
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:16,360
Speaker 3: he was willing to push back on on Israel, like

2567
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 3: none of this is the thing that that it's the

2568
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 3: greatest form policy that that the left would ever want

2569
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:25,120
Speaker 3: to see. Uh. But it was a break with Washington,

2570
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:27,680
Speaker 3: and Washington hated it like the Blob hated it. They

2571
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 3: In fact, it was Ben Rhodes who created the term

2572
02:11:30,440 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 3: the blob.

2573
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:33,160
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that Ben Rose was his.

2574
02:11:33,200 --> 02:11:37,400
Speaker 3: National security advisor, uh, and he and the Pod Save

2575
02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 3: Bros basically were at war with the Blob. So it's

2576
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:46,320
Speaker 3: it's an intramural fight. But out of those there are

2577
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:49,280
Speaker 3: some advisors in that world anti blob world that are

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Speaker 3: now kamal as advisors, and so if if they can

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Speaker 3: grow their their membership there, then you could you could

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Speaker 3: see a better foreign policy Biden.

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Speaker 1: I also just feel like, I genuinely think if you

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Speaker 1: took just random run of the mill Democrat on this

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Speaker 1: issue at this point, they would be better than Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Because Joe Biden has such an ideological commitment to Zionism

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Speaker 1: and the state of Israel as he thinks of it

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Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy two or whatever, that he is effectively

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Speaker 1: unmovable on the issue, even when it's become clear that

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Speaker 1: it is directly contrary to his own political interests. If

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Speaker 1: you just had a normal Democrat in there who was

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Speaker 1: responsive to the political concerns and just weighing this in

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Speaker 1: terms of a like cost benefit analysis, in terms of

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Speaker 1: their own personal political ambitions, I think you would have

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Speaker 1: ended up in a different place than Joe Biden, especially

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Speaker 1: as you clearly saw the numbers with young people, certainly

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Speaker 1: you know, key Arab American populations in the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 1: with Black Americans who were very dissonant by and large

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Speaker 1: from the Biden Israel no made matter what policy. And

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Speaker 1: then you add to that the fact that Nannahu is

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Speaker 1: such a partisan figure at this point and such a

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Speaker 1: like trumpy right wing aligned figure that I feel like,

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Speaker 1: again I'm not trying to raise hopes too.

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Speaker 5: High here, but I feel like it would least be.

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Speaker 1: A little better than what you're getting out of Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden with his bear hug approach, which has been an

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Speaker 1: utter and complete disaster for Palestinians first and foremost, but

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Speaker 1: also for the US and ultimately I think for Israel.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting window into the world for young people

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Speaker 3: on the left here. If you came into politics at

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Speaker 3: around twenty fifteen, that's when you started following it. You

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Speaker 3: came into a world in which your hopes and dreams

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Speaker 3: had something to attach themselves to, in the manner of

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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders running for president, followed by the kind of

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Speaker 3: upsurge insurgency inside the house. And so you developed this

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Speaker 3: idea that you're your political views could be represented inside

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Speaker 3: our political system. And that's just a complete aberration. As

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Speaker 3: Crystal and I have experienced most of our lives, You're

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Speaker 3: what you're actually more likely to get from the American

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Speaker 3: political system is bad and slightly.

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Speaker 5: Less bad, gradations of bad.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I worry that we are moving back into

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Speaker 3: what we're more familiar with, which is gradations of bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that we're all forced to settle for whether we

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Speaker 1: want to or not.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that seems to be where we are.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty accurate summation, A good place

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Speaker 1: to rap up this very lengthy show.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, Thank you? Is it you were? Emily that's in tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I'm in tomorrow too. Emily's just started unheard.

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