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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take that orenthal, James Simpson.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: O J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson finally gets one of the many many slaps in

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Speaker 1: the face he deserves. Some would argue he deserves the

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Speaker 1: death penalty for a double murder that did not happen,

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Speaker 1: but at least now revenge best served cold. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us in the last hours we learn the Bills,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills refuse to honor O. J. Simpson at

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Speaker 1: Highmark Stadium in Western New York as part of the

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Speaker 1: team's Family Circle area just outside the incredible venue. They're

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Speaker 1: moving into this brand new stadium, and they're leaving part

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Speaker 1: of their past behind them. They say, quote, we have

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Speaker 1: made an organization decision that he is not fit to

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Speaker 1: display inside our new stadium in family circle. That according

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Speaker 1: to the Bill's president of Business Operations, Pete Goule, well,

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Speaker 1: what's about time somebody said double murder and domestic abuse

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Speaker 1: Trump's being an All star athlete. Now the family Circle

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Speaker 1: will include American Bison statutes and plaques that honor the

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Speaker 1: past great football players who wore the Bill's jersey. The

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Speaker 1: Red and the Blue. Simpson spent nine of his eleven

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Speaker 1: years in the NFL with the Bills. He led the

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Speaker 1: league in rushing four times, including the seventy three season

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Speaker 1: that was when he eclipsed the two thousand yard plateau.

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Speaker 1: But none of it, none of it, all the football glory,

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Speaker 1: all the gridiron greatness cannot erase the bloodstain on the

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Speaker 1: memory of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. This is what

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Speaker 1: happened after all this time, Simpson confesses and it is

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Speaker 1: caught on tape. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Joining me, of course,

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Speaker 1: is Alan Duke. Alan, you're there in La weighing in

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Speaker 1: on this, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: The story of how this apparent confession video was lost

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Speaker 3: for a dozen years is crazy. I was invited to

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Speaker 3: Fox Studios in Los Angeles to view the raw video

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Speaker 3: even as they were still working to turn it into

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Speaker 3: the documentary that just aired. Work on the original documentary

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Speaker 3: was abandoned in two thousand and six for what reason,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I was told it was forgotten about,

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Speaker 3: lost found only in recent weeks when they were clearing

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Speaker 3: out an office at Fox Television. When they put the

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Speaker 3: tape in an old machine to see what it was.

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Speaker 3: They were stunned, but quickly realized how valuable and significant

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Speaker 3: it was, and it took them little time to hire

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Speaker 3: Solidad O'Brien to help turn it into the show that

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Speaker 3: was aired this month by Fox Television.

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Speaker 1: Let's just kick it off. Take a listen to O. J.

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Speaker 1: Simpson in his own word, six uninterrupted minutes. OJ puts

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Speaker 1: himself hypothetically at the scene of the crime.

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Speaker 4: The chapter, chapter six is called the Night in Question.

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Speaker 4: And you're writ in the book. Now picture this and

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Speaker 4: keep in mind that this is pure hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical.

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Speaker 4: Why don't you tell me what might have happened on

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Speaker 4: the night of June twelfth, nineteen ninety four, And let's

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Speaker 4: just walk through the mine.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of on, this is very difficult for me

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Speaker 2: to do this. It was very difficult for me because

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Speaker 2: it's hypothetical. I know, and I accept the fact that

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Speaker 2: people are going to feel whatever, what are they.

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Speaker 5: Going to feel?

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Speaker 2: You know, they gonna you know, some whatever whatever they

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Speaker 2: want to feel. In the book, the hypothetical is Arlie, Charlie.

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Speaker 2: This guy Charlie shows up, the guy who had we

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Speaker 2: used to become friends with and Uh.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why you had been buying.

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Speaker 2: The closet house, but it told me you wouldn't believe

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Speaker 5: And and I.

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Speaker 2: Remember thinking, well, whatever's going over there has got to stop, right,

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Speaker 2: So we kind of hooked up together. And you know,

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Speaker 4: Let's let's just go back and do the details. Where

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Speaker 2: You pathetic in the alley, park.

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Speaker 4: In the alley, and you've put on well cap and gloves.

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Speaker 2: Uh, and nypathetical. I put on cap and gloves.

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Speaker 2: And I remember Charlie is saying you ain't bringing it,

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Speaker 5: And while I was there, a guy shows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a guy I really didn't recognize.

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Speaker 2: I may have seen him around, but I really didn't

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Speaker 5: And in the mood I was in, I started having

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Speaker 4: She says to you, I just came by to return

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Speaker 4: And uh, you get into a fight, Nicole comes out.

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Speaker 2: having words about who is this guy?

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Speaker 4: And she says, this is my house, that the f

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Speaker 2: Yes, and uh, which I didn't like because once again,

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Speaker 2: this is the same person. And if you read the book.

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Speaker 2: You'll see some things that happened in the two weeks

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Speaker 2: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one

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Speaker 2: of got into a karate thing and I said, well,

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Speaker 2: I grabbed a knife. I do remember that portion taking

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Speaker 4: What kind of stuff but and stuff around, you know, we.

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Speaker 5: You know, I hate to say this.

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Speaker 2: I know we got to back up again, Okay, had

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Speaker 4: You wrote in the book I had never seen so

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Speaker 4: much blood in my life. Mm hmmm, yes, covered, you're

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to describe it. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: I don't think any two people could be murdered the

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Speaker 2: of course I think we've all seen the grizzly pictures after,

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Speaker 4: And what goes through your mind at a time.

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Speaker 5: Like that, I don't know. It's like what happened, right.

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Speaker 4: You write about removing a glove before taking the knife

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Speaker 2: You know, I had no conscious memory of doing that,

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Speaker 4: And blacking out. Have you ever blacked out before?

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Speaker 5: Not to my knowledge, No, of course.

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Speaker 2: Of course, if something like this would take place in

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Speaker 2: it's something that you would probably automatically have trouble wrapping.

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Speaker 5: Your mind around it. It was horrible. It was absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Horrible, staggering first hand details about the crime scene, which

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Speaker 4: You wrote in the book, I have never seen so

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's hard for me to describe it.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I don't think any two people could

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Speaker 4: Then you see bloody footprints and you decide to take off.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually I believe Charlie kept saying we got to

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Speaker 4: And in the book you describe taking off your shoes,

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Speaker 5: I was like, you're going to do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, somebody's got to get rid of as you

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Speaker 5: So somebody had to get rid of the bloody clothes.

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Speaker 4: And you had left your keys and wallet in your

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Speaker 5: It, you know, to be honest, I think I know

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And Charlie is the Sarahles screaming Jesus Christ

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Speaker 2: He's in a panic. He was in a panic, and

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Speaker 4: So you get back in the car. You're taking your clothes,

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Speaker 2: Parked the block away because I knew the limbo would

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Speaker 4: Know, came through the house, so you went through the neighbors.

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Speaker 2: I ran upstairs take a shower. I actually ran upstairs.

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Speaker 2: He took some of my bags and came back downstairs

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Forensic expert in his field, Professor

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Speaker 1: of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, also

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Speaker 1: with me, a sitting judge, renowned victim's advocate Ashley Wilcott.

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Speaker 1: Also with me, Emmy Award winning reporter, investigative journalist Art Harris.

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Speaker 1: Art Harris, you know, Simpson, you have covered the story forever.

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Speaker 1: You were there during the entire drama. You know some

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Speaker 1: things never changed, do they aren't?

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Speaker 6: Matthew what shocks me. People would come up to me

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Speaker 6: like they probably did you and asked, do you think

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Speaker 6: he's guilty? Well, after covering him for twenty four years

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Speaker 6: and hearing this confession, which I would call it, they

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Speaker 6: a lot of the things that we believed and reported

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Speaker 6: from other sources. He is telling us how he did

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Speaker 6: the crime hypothetically, but it doesn't come off that way

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Speaker 6: because he shifts into the first person and it is

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Speaker 6: really really disgusting to listen to a convicted killer who

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Speaker 6: once upon a time was making money off or would

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Speaker 6: have off this book and off the interview.

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Speaker 1: Out to Joseph Scott, Morgan, Joe Scott. When you hear

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Speaker 1: it laid out that way, it addresses every question that

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Speaker 1: was raised at trial way in from your point of view.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what we have, Nancy, is that this this hypothetical

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Speaker 8: The sitting judge and if this hypothetical scenario flash confession

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Speaker 4: Seeing her and leaning over and kissing her. Can you

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I said anything.

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I've told that some person

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Speaker 5: Say I'm sorry. I just recall Judy Brown pulling me over,

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Speaker 1: No crime stories with Nancy Grace Well, the Bills got

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Speaker 1: even though he writes a book If I Did It

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Speaker 9: That's right, Nancy. He looks in the window when he

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Speaker 9: Suddenly oj Simpson has just shown the defense to be

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Speaker 1: You know, I look back on all that time, Ashley

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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, Ashley, it is a kick

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Speaker 8: Well, and even if it's something you don't know, once

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Speaker 8: How could he not be convicted? The evidence was there?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, my question is about oj simpson hypothetical confession. I'm

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Speaker 10: you know, actually say he did it. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the question, Ashley. Sadly, even with an outright confession,

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Speaker 8: That's right, he cannot in some countries, you can be

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Speaker 4: This is true, hypothetical, hypothetical.

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Speaker 11: I just wonder why he had to resort to such

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Speaker 8: I still don't believe he did it. I believe Nicole

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to oh J. Simpson essentially confessing, occasionally

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Speaker 8: it's everybody else's fault, and everybody else was at fault

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00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 8: and I didn't do anything wrong. I still don't think

441
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 8: he thinks he did anything wrong, even in killing these

442
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 8: two individuals.

443
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, Joe, I want you to hear this.

444
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: Next sound listen to Simpson essentially confessing turned a double

445
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: murder and yes he has walked free.

446
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 5: Listen.

447
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: So I had run into her, which they tried to

448
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: say was stalking, because her and some friends were at

449
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: the opening of a restaurant. I was there with like

450
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: sixteen people. So I'm if I'm stalking you, I'm stalking

451
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: you with with my crew. You know, we're all there too,

452
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: you know, And I saw her and I went over

453
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: and spoke to her in her group. Uh. Then I

454
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: went out to my group to a party. But on

455
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: the way home, I'd say, I'll see if she's home,

456
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: because if she's still up, I don't know how late

457
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: she stayed out. No, you maybe you know, I can

458
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: get something.

459
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 5: In any event.

460
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: As I approached her front door, she has a window

461
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: right along the wall there, I can hear something and

462
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: I can see movement, and when I look, I can

463
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: obviously see she was involved in something. I don't know

464
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: who's with or what. And I hit the door and left.

465
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: When you knocked on the door, No, I just.

466
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Hit the door when I wanted them to be aware

467
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: that somebody's around and maybe they'd move or something. That's

468
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: why I didn't even look. I just hit the door

469
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: twice and left.

470
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: Alan, what happened to Charlie? Because now he has dropped

471
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: all pretense of a hypothetical. I guess he forgot about Charlie.

472
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: And you know I'm using ear quotes.

473
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 5: Alan.

474
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 12: Charlie is a fictional name and allegedly hypothetical situation. There's

475
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 12: a lot of speculation on who Charlie is Charlie could

476
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 12: still be tried, right, I mean, if we could figure

477
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 12: out who Charlie is.

478
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: Allen, Alan, what are you saying there is no Charlie?

479
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: What do you even I.

480
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 12: Said, he's a fictional person in a hypothetical scenario, but

481
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 12: it's probably real what Ojay is saying. It sounds so real.

482
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 12: I believe there's a Charlie. I really belie. And who

483
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 12: is it? I think that there could be another person

484
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 12: who went by Nichole's house the night of the murders,

485
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 12: saw something going on, went and told Ojay and then

486
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 12: went with him. I think he's actually telling the.

487
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Truth, Okay, Ashley Wilcott, there is no evidence at all

488
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: of a Charlie. I don't know if Alan Due is

489
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: listening to the same interview I am, But at this

490
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: point in the interview he's not even discussing Charlie anymore.

491
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: He forgot about him because he doesn't exist, Ashley.

492
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 8: He did forget about him. And not only that, even

493
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 8: if you want to think, well, maybe there's a Charlie.

494
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 8: He is not credible. He is not reliable. Listen to

495
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 8: his testimony. The fact that Nicole is dead and he's

496
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 8: talking about Oh, I want to go get some Nothing

497
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 8: he has said sounds at all remotely credible, including a

498
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 8: Charlie he's now forgotten about.

499
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Well, another thing to you, Joe Scott Morgan. You have

500
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: studied the autops the over and over and over. Actually

501
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: autopsy's there's no evidence that there was a second perpetrator.

502
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 7: No, no, there's there's not, Nancy. I think a lot

503
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 7: of people and if I could just interject this, I

504
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 7: actually sat across the table at a luncheon many years ago,

505
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 7: across the across the table from doctor Irwin Golden Golden,

506
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 7: and doctor Golden is the person that actually did the

507
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 7: autopsies on on Nicole and Ron, and I remember looking

508
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 7: at him and thinking about the things that he had

509
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 7: seen in the autopsy room, much like stuff that I

510
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 7: had seen over my years and whatnot, and thinking, this

511
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 7: man of science is sitting there and he knows, he

512
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 7: knows what he bore witness to in that autopsy room,

513
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 7: and just thinking that he's in an upside down universe

514
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 7: because no one was buying for whatever reason, maybe it

515
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 7: was because of late Johnny Cochrane, this hard evidence that

516
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 7: that we had, and at the end of the day,

517
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 7: that's what this all comes down to is the hard evidence.

518
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 7: Many people out there, they it's been put forth that

519
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 7: that he was that that both of these people were stabbed. Nancy. Uh,

520
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 7: they were not staffed. Uh. These these injuries, when you

521
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 7: look at these autopsy reports, these are incized injuries. And

522
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 7: and what that means is that the leading edge of

523
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 7: a blade was was drug across the surface of the skin.

524
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 7: It's not like they were poked or something like this.

525
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 7: Nichole's throat was cut so deeply that it went down

526
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 7: to her cervical spine. Nancy. And it's not just once

527
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 7: or twice, it's several times.

528
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 1: Can I just put it in language that everybody will understand. Uh,

529
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: she had her head chopped off, her cervical spine. Is

530
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: your neck? She was decapitated. There was a of skin

531
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: holding her head on. The cut went so deep through

532
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: her and with such ferocity it went all the way

533
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: through her neck and left her head hanging by the

534
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: skin in the back of her neck. Is that right, Joe.

535
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 7: Scott, Yeah, yeah, it is, Nancy. And these entries can

536
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 7: only be achieved in one of two ways. Either someone

537
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 7: was on top of her slicing her, or they were

538
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 7: behind her her head held back, probably at the forehead,

539
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 7: with a knife being drug across the front of her

540
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: throat all the way down. This isn't a one off circumstance.

541
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 7: He you know, he's sitting there arrogantly saying, you know,

542
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 7: and this is what really reached out and grabbed me

543
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 7: about the whole interview.

544
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: Ha ha.

545
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 7: You know, well, anybody that would have been there, we'd

546
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 7: all be covered with blood. Yeah, you know, you were

547
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 7: covered with blood. Was covered with the blood of both

548
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 7: of these people. As a matter of fact, he was

549
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 7: super saturated. He was saturated so much. We've never been

550
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 7: able to find those clothes now, have we. And he

551
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 7: divested himself with these clothing because it was so he

552
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 7: was so saturated. He knows what happened, Nancy, He knows

553
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 7: what happened.

554
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Orienthal James Simpson in his own.

555
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: Words doing that nine one one tape that everybody hears

556
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: me yelling, I'm staying I don't want these girls around

557
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: my kids. And that's the only thing that argument on

558
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: that nine one one tape was about. I went to

559
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: her house and read her about riot act. I did

560
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: what any father and would do. And yet you know,

561
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: people listen to that tape and made me this horrible

562
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: person whenever they had that nine one tape. Can you

563
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: believe he's yelling at her about this? Well, when the

564
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: cops came, it became a parent. She said, I was

565
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: yelling at her about this and only this. That's the

566
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: only reason I was there reading her to riot act

567
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: is I don't want these people around my kids.

568
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the obvious thing, Ashley is if he

569
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: want had wanted to say in his children's life, he

570
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't have beaten Nicole black and Blue, threatened to kill

571
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: her on so many occasions. They finally broke up and

572
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: she was living with the children. There's a reason she

573
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: had custody Ashley, and it's not because everybody thought he

574
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: was a bad person. It's because he's.

575
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 8: Violent, right, And for him to say, oh, I did

576
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 8: what every father he said, I did what any father

577
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 8: would do is insulting to fathers because he absolutely did

578
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 8: not do what most fathers would do. To go over

579
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 8: there and attack her verbally and again make sure she's

580
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 8: the victim of domestic violence in front of those kids,

581
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 8: is not right.

582
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: Here we go, Oh, Jay Simpson, I.

583
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: Want to talk about the first time you met Nicole Brown? Yes,

584
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: where was it?

585
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: It was right o Ordeal a place called a Daisy.

586
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: It's a little breakfast place, and I ran into a

587
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: friend of mine. He said, let's have breakfast. And when

588
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: we walked in, this vision turned to me and said

589
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: where do you want to sit? And I really think,

590
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: what a gorgeous girl. But I can't deal with this.

591
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: So it's three days later when I came back. I

592
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: went back into the day's end, was having lunch with

593
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: the owner, and she came back in and I said, man,

594
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: I would really like to take this girl out. And

595
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: he called her over and introduces and you know, said

596
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: this is.

597
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: One of the good guys, and you were together from

598
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: then on.

599
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well that I had to take her before

600
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: we went to the pointy. I had to explained to

601
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: her that I was married, but I wasn't married. You know,

602
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: it sounded like a line, But after we talked, I

603
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: think she believed me, and we're together ever since.

604
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: You know what's weird about that, Aunt Harris? He talks

605
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: like I would ask you, where where did you meet Carol?

606
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: Your wife? Well, it seems like he's kind of glossing

607
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: over the fact that he murdered her.

608
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is a justification. Well, you know, she

609
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 9: was this beautiful waitress's woman who I met, and you know,

610
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 9: I finally got the hook up with her and we

611
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 9: lived happily ever after. I mean, this is someone who,

612
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 9: in the middle of confessing later that that he sliced

613
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 9: her to pieces, is talking kind of and laughing about

614
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 9: the first time he met her, as you know, as

615
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 9: he's this little infatuated young guy, but in fact it's

616
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 9: she's his possession, and it explains why he was so

617
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 9: enraged that she would dare be with another man after,

618
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 9: of course he'd beaten her senseless for years. This is

619
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 9: someone who feels justified in protecting all his possessions, and

620
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 9: she was one of his possessions that he's furious left him.

621
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 5: Oh. J.

622
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Sepson now describes the Bronco chase.

623
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 4: I'm want to go back to the Bronco and if

624
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 4: you can just give me some of the details of

625
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: what you said to each other and some of the well, there.

626
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't a lot of conversation, but basically it was just

627
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: you had a gun. Yeah, but it was in the

628
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: bag in the back at that point with the pictures

629
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: and stuff. The police like to say it was with

630
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: a pass what always had my passport up there? They

631
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: said I had ten thousand dollars. I think I had

632
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: like three dollars or something.

633
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: That changed. As a matter of fact, when I.

634
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: Was let out of jail after my trial and they

635
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: were giving me all my things back, all the stuff

636
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: that was in the bronco that was mine back, I said,

637
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: where's it ten thousand dollars? Where's my ten thousand dollars

638
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: that you guys claim that I had.

639
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: What are you thinking?

640
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: You're in the car, I'm in the back of It's

641
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: still in the back of the truck. And I can't

642
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: believe what I'm saying because every time we go by intersections,

643
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: it was like, where did these people get the time

644
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: to make these signs go oj and stuff?

645
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 5: And what was strange.

646
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: Is is I have been I was being depicted as

647
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: a fugitive on the radio, but from the side of

648
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: the roads it was more people cheering.

649
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I could use a shrink right now,

650
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: because instead of focusing on the fact that he is

651
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: on a slow speed chase from police after his wife,

652
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: his ex wife has been murdered and his children no

653
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: longer have a mother, and he suspect number one. He's

654
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: talking about people holding up posters. That's what his mind remembers.

655
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: Art Harris, I remember that, But what I remember is

656
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: him getting away from police, holding himself hostage with a

657
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: gun the whole time. And he did not travel with

658
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: his passport all the time. He took it because he

659
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out where he was going to go,

660
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: but he never made it. He's rewriting history.

661
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 9: Again, Nancy, that's right in fact, but he forgets to

662
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 9: tell us he also had that disguise you know, that

663
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 9: he might be wearing if he were to make it

664
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 9: to the California Mexico border where he was headed. And

665
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 9: he doesn't talk about the long phone conversation he had

666
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 9: with the LAPD homicide detective Tom Lang, who was trying

667
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 9: to talk him out of quote killing himself. Well, you know,

668
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 9: we thought he felt so guilty about what he had done.

669
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 9: That's that's what was going on. But here he is

670
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 9: making light of that whole thing. We see. What is

671
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 9: really going through his head is his fans. If he

672
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 9: thinks people still love him, Hey, that's what he wants

673
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 9: to hear. And so this is real. Disconnect Nancy with

674
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 9: with what was.

675
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: Going on at the time, crime stories with Nancy Gray.

676
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: Of course, Simpson was acquitted in the murder charges there

677
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: in la many people claim it was jury nullification. He

678
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: was then ordered to pay thirty three point five million

679
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: dollars to both the Brown and Goldman family, which he

680
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: never paid. He then goes on to serve nine years

681
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: behind bars over a robbery in kidnapping, where he busted

682
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: into a Vegas hotel to confront dealers memorabilia that he

683
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: wronged the belonged to him. He got out of that

684
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: jam November twenty seventeenth, then spent the rest of his

685
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: life chasing Nicole Brown look alike, say, living the high life,

686
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: signing autographs in bars and restaurants, getting free tea times

687
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: and meals. But now he's having supper with Satan enjoy.

688
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: Why do I say that because of the facts. It's

689
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: all about the facts, you know, Ashley Willcott. It's just

690
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: the same scenario. It doesn't really change. The person goes

691
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: on the run, they have a big water cash, they

692
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: have a disguise. I'm glad you reminded me of that

693
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: art because I'd forgotten that detail. Got a gun, money,

694
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: passport disguise. When a cop comes up behind me, I

695
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: pull over because I don't want to make it worse.

696
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: I also don't want to get shot. I don't want

697
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: to get beat up. You do what the cop tells

698
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: you to do. He running from the cops. Bam, that's

699
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: what was happening.

700
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

701
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 8: And he almost sounded like he got off on it

702
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 8: because he was like, oh, I saw all these people cheering.

703
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 8: It was great. And so keep in mind, though we

704
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 8: can't attribute rational thought to this man who has murdered

705
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 8: two people. So he was running from the cops.

706
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I take a listen to this.

707
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: I loved her to no end, you know, and always

708
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: loved her, you know. I think what happened it became

709
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: reverse of what she said to me when she wanted

710
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: a divorce.

711
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: I loved her, but I didn't like her. I was

712
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 5: in love with her.

713
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: That's what she had said to me to get a divorce,

714
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: and I kind of figured that's where we were at

715
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: at the time of her death. I loved her, but

716
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't in love with her, you know, And to

717
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: some degree I didn't really like her, but I didn't

718
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: like I thought she was losing herself. Did she feel

719
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: in many ways, you know, it's almost like you were

720
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: Ron and Nicole. We were physically dead, and it's almost

721
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: like they killed me. Who I was was was attacked

722
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: and murdered also in that short period of time.

723
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 5: And once again, I to this.

724
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: Day it bugs me that it seems that people wanted

725
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: me to be guilty and not really really bothered me.

726
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: And even sometimes it's day, it's just I'm a little

727
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: calcified to it all the day, I can, you know,

728
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: my friends and family and I because there's so many

729
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: stories in the tabloids that are not true, we just

730
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: live with it. You know.

731
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: I loved her to no end, you know, and always

732
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 5: loved her.

733
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 8: And yes, oh J Simpson's guilty. I knew that, And

734
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 8: when it happened back in the nineties, what a joke.

735
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 11: There must have been other ways that he could have

736
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 11: addressed his problem and not press I said to murder.

737
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 4: Did you tell me?

738
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: In many ways now, you know, it's almost like you

739
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: were Ron and Nicole were physically dead, and it's almost

740
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: like they killed me.

741
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: Who I was was was attacked and murdered. Also.

742
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: Did I just hear that Art Harrison, they killed him.

743
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: He feels like they.

744
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 9: Killed him, right if this is unbelievable, but it explains

745
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 9: why for so long he's able to distance himself in

746
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 9: his mind from what the horror that he did to

747
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 9: these two people. He's he's a sociopath who can rationalize

748
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 9: anything he does by compartmentalizing his the murders. And you know,

749
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 9: as I write in my on my website Ardharis dot com,

750
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 9: that now he can no longer run Nancy. Every time

751
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 9: he looks in the mirror after we hear this con

752
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 9: we hear this confession, he's going to look in the

753
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 9: mirror and see the killer staring back at him.

754
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: But you know, Jo, just Gott Morgan, you and I

755
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: have handled so many murder cases. I swear I don't

756
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: think he understands. I don't think he looks in the

757
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: mirror and sees a double killer. I think he looks

758
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: in the mirror and sees the superstar.

759
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, I think that you know, playing pop

760
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 7: psychologists here. I think he's you know, a narcissistic h

761
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 7: you know, uh person that that views himself is above

762
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 7: all of this. You know, all of these tawdry details,

763
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 7: they're not tawdry details. These are two people that he's slaughtered.

764
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 7: And you know what you were just discussing with Art,

765
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 7: this this idea that you know that they killed him

766
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 7: at what level of arrogance does that take? But you know,

767
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 7: you see this repeated over and over again. And that's

768
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 7: what brings us back home, Nancy, is that O. J.

769
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 7: Simpson is no different than anybody else we've ever investigated.

770
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 7: It's just that he's got a higher profile and he's

771
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 7: gotten away with it. You know, a lot of people

772
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 7: don't have the advantages that he had. You know, they

773
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 7: can't get a million dollar dream teams and the best

774
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 7: forensic scientists in the world to come in and talk

775
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 7: on their behalf. At the end of the day, he's

776
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 7: a thug. That's what it comes down to.

777
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Simpson in his confession.

778
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: When she asked for the separation in nineteen ninety two,

779
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: you write in the book, I felt like I'd been kicked.

780
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: In The shock absolutely shocked. Her and her mother had

781
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: been to New York a few weeks before that. She

782
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: had talked about how happy she was, she had gotten

783
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: her body completely back, She was looking great, she was

784
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: finally wearing all her fancy stuff. Well, I realized no,

785
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: because he had I didn't know.

786
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: But of course it hurts.

787
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: I didn't think it would happen, And for two or

788
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: three months I pursued her to no end until I

789
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: saw her with another guy.

790
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 5: And at that point, what are you going to do?

791
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 5: A girl's with another guy?

792
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, idiot, you know he's still talking about her

793
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: being with other people. I mean Art Harris, Ashley Willcott,

794
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: jose Kott, Morgan. Let me throw this to Ashley. How

795
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: many beatings does it take until Nicole finally decided to divorce.

796
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: She didn't divorce him to date other people. She divorced

797
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: him because he wouldn't stop beating her.

798
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 8: And what's so sad in this case is that's a

799
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 8: typical victim right. Once you become a victim of domestic violence,

800
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 8: it is very hard to walk away, to know how

801
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 8: to escape because of the cycle of domestic violence when

802
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 8: you are a victim. So here, she did things to

803
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 8: protect herself, which can be very hard to do. She

804
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 8: got a divorce, she walked away, She tried to get

805
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 8: away from his abusive, abusive fists, and yet he comes

806
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 8: after her and kills her. So it's really a tragic story.

807
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 8: And Nancy, please don't make me listen to his laugh anymore.

808
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 8: Is so badistic And throughout this entire interview, does that

809
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 8: laugh just not get right under your skin? You just

810
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 8: want to reach out and strangle him.

811
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that when he starts laughing and we're

812
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: talking about a double murder, and I guess it's over

813
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: the years been airbrushed and edited and produced. But a

814
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: murder saying, much less a double murder saying of this nature.

815
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to just having been to

816
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: so many murder says. First of all, this is not

817
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: a asphyxiation. This is a blood letting in the front yard.

818
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: There was so much blood cops were sopping through it.

819
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: There were bloody footprints, which of course matched up to

820
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: his shoes everywhere. The victims' bodies had been lying out

821
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: there for a period of time. She had essentially been decapitated.

822
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: It was awful. It was a terrible, sticky, smelly, filthy

823
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: murder scene with two young people dead. You know, I

824
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: always believed Art Harris, and you know a lot more

825
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: about this aspect than I do, that he was drugged

826
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: out of his gourd that night Nancy.

827
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 9: He had been doing probably cocaine, and had been drinking

828
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 9: as he often did, and he felt he was in rage.

829
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 9: This was such a rage killing. He could not have

830
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 9: Nicole anymore, and so he probably snapped and did not

831
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 9: want anyone else to have her either. She was his possession,

832
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 9: as so many abusers feel about the women they beat

833
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 9: and ultimately often kill. This is a man who does

834
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 9: it and then justifies what he's done and goes home

835
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 9: and takes a shower, as he says in part of

836
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 9: this interview, and his friend somebody gets rid of those

837
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 9: bloody clothes we never see again. So this is someone

838
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 9: who killed his wonderful wife and got away with it

839
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 9: because he had and could afford the best lawyer's money

840
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 9: can buy. I mean, the thing that got me Nancy

841
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 9: is the blood. There was so much of it. So

842
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 9: how did DNA not work well? As I write and

843
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 9: my and my my blog ardhiris dot com, that's because

844
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 9: they bored the jury to death with the probability of DNA,

845
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 9: and they picked a jury that didn't have any math,

846
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 9: high school math or science. They knocked out anyone who

847
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 9: you know, who had any knowledge and could apply it.

848
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 9: To this bloody crime scene and that's how he got off.

849
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: Listen to OJ Simpson talking about the night Nicole and

850
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: Ron are murdered.

851
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: In the book, the hypothetical is Ulie Charlie. This guy

852
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: Charlie shows up, the guy who had we used to

853
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: become friends with.

854
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 5: And Uh, I don't know why you had been buying.

855
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: The closed house, but it told me you wouldn't believe

856
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: what's going on over that. And and I remember thinking, well,

857
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: whatever's going over there has got to stop, right, So

858
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 2: we kind of hooked up together, and you know, I'm

859
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: kind of broad stroking this. We go over, get into

860
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 2: Minco and go over.

861
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: Let's just go back and do the details. Where did

862
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 4: you park?

863
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: The detail?

864
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 4: You in the alley, the park in the alley, and

865
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 4: you've put on a well cap and gloves.

866
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: Uh, and ipathetic I put on cap and gloves, and

867
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: you reached under the seat.

868
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: For a knife.

869
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: I always kept a knife in that car for the

870
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: crazies and stuff, because you can't travel with a gun.

871
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: And I remember Charlie is saying, you ain't bringing that,

872
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: and I didn't, right, but I believe he took it.

873
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 4: Charlie took the knife in the book.

874
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 5: Ye.

875
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: Yes, So the back gate, you go through the back gate, yes,

876
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 4: and it was open or broken or.

877
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 5: I don't recall.

878
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: I go to the front and I'm looking to see

879
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: what's going on, and I could see that it appears

880
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: like Nicole had fly I had candles all the time.

881
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: She really did to keep her overhead out and I

882
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: think and music was on. And while I was there,

883
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: a guy shows up.

884
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: So Ron Goldman comes in the back edge.

885
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, a guy I really didn't recognize.

886
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: I may have seen him around, but I really didn't

887
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: recognize him to be anyone. And uh, and in the

888
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,959
Speaker 2: mood I was in, I started having words with him.

889
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: She says to you, I just came by to return

890
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 4: a pair of glasses. Judy left them at the restaurant.

891
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, words to that effect.

892
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Yes, And and uh he was if I beleeve it,

893
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: I didn't believe it. It was pretty much immaterial because

894
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: you know, I was more concerned about everything that that

895
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 2: everything that was going on, you know, and was fed

896
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: up with it, I guess.

897
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 4: And uh, you get into a fight. Nicole comes out verbal,

898
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: a verbal A verbal fight got a little loud, and

899
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: by the time.

900
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: The cole had come out and we started having words

901
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: about who is this guy?

902
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: Wise? He here, what's going on?

903
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: And she says, this is my house, that the f

904
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: on here.

905
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and which I didn't like because once again this

906
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: is the same person. And if you read the book,

907
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: you'll see some things that happened in the two weeks

908
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: leading up to.

909
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 5: This that were very very irritating, you know.

910
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 2: And I think Charlie had followed this guy in one

911
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: make sure there was no problem, and he brought the

912
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: knife as things got heated. I just remember the cold

913
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: fell and hurt herself and this guy kind of got

914
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: into a karate thing and I said, well, you think

915
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: you can kick my ass? And I remember I grabbed

916
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: a knife. I do remember that portion taking a knife

917
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: from Charlie, And to be honest, after that, I don't

918
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: remember except I'm standing there and it's all out stuff

919
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 2: around and.

920
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 4: What kind of stuff but and stuff around.

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00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: It's been reported by ESPN the Bills are considering honoring

922
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: Simpson at the new stadium this spring. Don't do It.

923
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: Don't do It. Their first game at Heimark Stadium set

924
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: for September seventeen against the Lions, and we will be watching.

925
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing

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00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,