WEBVTT - BOMBSHELL TWIST: Little Harmony, 7, first reported missing AFTER 2 YEARS 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:15.960 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours a 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.400 stunning development in the search for seven year old Harmony Montgomery. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.159 I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.640 for being with us here at Fox Nations Serious x 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.040 one eleven. First of all, take to listen to our cut. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.040 B's not a Manchester, New Hampshire right now. A man 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.720 has been arrested in connection to the search for a 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.199 young girl who has been missing for two years. The 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.240 Attorney General says that Adam Montgomery was wanted for allegedly 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:46.159 assaulting Harmony Montgomery in twenty nineteen. He is facing several charges, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.440 but has not been charged in her disappearance. Police say 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.839 the now seven year old was lasting in twenty nineteen, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.800 although she was only reported missing last week. I appreciate that. 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.400 I'm glad an arrest has been made, essentially for the 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.679 black eye this little girl had in twenty nineteen. Police 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.080 were called and they went, can't do anything about that. 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.720 We'll wash my hands to the whole thing Department of 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:16.600 Family Children's Services. Even worse, they not only don't take 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.880 her out of the home then, but they proceed to 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:27.039 give full custody and give her two The father that 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.880 we think gave her the black eye, and that is 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.280 the tip of the iceberg. You were hearing our friends 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.240 at CBS Boston just sin. Did you notice what she 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.200 said and what she didn't say? Roll it again, Jackie. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.920 Police is not a Manchester, New Hampshire. Right now, a 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.600 man has been arrested in connection to the search for 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.160 a young girl who has been missing for two years. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.720 The Attorney General says that Adam Montgomery was wanted for 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.240 allegedly assaulting Harmony Montgomery in twenty nineteen. He is facing 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.640 several charges but has not been charged in her disappearance. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.120 Police say the now seven year old was lasting in 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.960 twenty nineteen, although she was only reported missing last week. 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.480 So he's arrested for the black eye that this little 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.440 five year old girl had. Who by the way, he's 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.880 blind in her right eye. But nobody has found Harmony 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:23.639 and nobody has been arrested in Harmony's disappearance. Again, This 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.600 is Fox Nation and Series X one eleven Crime Stories. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.120 Thank you for being with us, with me an all 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.000 star panel to make sense of what we are learning 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.280 fast and furious as we go to air right now. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:42.919 We believe that that father Adam Montgomery is being arraigned. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.840 Now that sounds that's a million dollar word for being 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.080 read his charges. Under our constitution, you can't sit in 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.160 jail for over seventy two hours without being told while 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.120 you're there what the charges are and being told your 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.840 constitutional rights, including a right to a lawyer. And if 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.800 you cannot afford a lawyer, the state will provide you 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.680 a lawyer free of charge. Not exactly free, because we're 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.280 all paying for it, the taxpayers with me. Nicole hutch 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.280 Glow joining us out of Texas. She's been on the 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.560 case from the very beginning. Former prosecutor now defense attorney 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.560 at Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Pronounced psychologists joining us. 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:28.040 Doctor Jerry Crossen, faculty Saint Leo University, consultant with the 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:32.959 Blue Wall Institute, author of Operation s S. Robert Crispin 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.680 with us right now. Former law enforcement now private investigator. 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:42.080 You can find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. First 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:45.800 Nicole Parton Crime Online dot com investigative reporter Nicole What happened? 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.840 So breaking news coming out of Manchester last night where 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.760 thirty one year old Adam Montgomery was arrested. He is 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:59.360 charged with one count of felony second degree assault, one 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.120 missed to me charge of interference with custody, and two 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:08.160 misdemeanor charges of endangering the welfare of a child. All 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.200 of this, as you said, coming from that summer two 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.680 thousand nineteen incident where we little Harmony has that black eye. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.680 Two years later, there's finally an arrest. You're absolutely correct, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.920 Nicole Parton. Take a listen to our friends at WCVB. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.640 We have some breaking news right now in the case 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.720 of that missing girl in New Hampshire. The state Attorney 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.480 General is saying an outstanding warrant on a twenty nineteen 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.440 assault charge involving seven year old Harmony Montgomery, Adam Montgomery, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.120 will be arraigned today. We are waiting to hear from 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.159 the AG about Montgomery's relationship to that child. The search 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.600 continues this morning for Harmony His relationship. Well, I can 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.400 tell you that right now. Adam Montgomery is Harmony's father. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.760 Her mother, who goes a couple of different names, but 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.680 we know her as Crystal. Sorry, has not had custody 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.120 of Harmony since twenty nineteen. I want to go straight 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.400 to you. Robert Crispin, private investigator. Crispin's special investigations. What 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.440 do you make of the arrest, Well, I make it 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.840 as they want to move this thing forward, and they 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:18.880 want to get him into a controlled environment, to get 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:21.400 an interview with this guy, to find out what's going on, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.000 and put these charges out there. Get him under their umbrella, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.440 get him under their control. Wow, you know in the 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.520 dictionary where they put euphemism, I'm gonna put your picture 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.000 beside that, because you're really putting the perfume on the 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.600 pig right there, Crispin. What they're doing is they're arresting 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.560 him on a previous charge of beating this little girl 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.120 in twenty nineteen, allegedly beating her, leaving this little girl 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.120 with a black eye. They've got him in their clutches 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.880 like the spider in the web, and now they're going 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.520 to try to squeeze him. Talk to him if he 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.320 will volunteer anything, play good cop, bad cop, Bring him 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.520 a cup of coffee, no, take it away, give it back, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:08.000 Threaten him within the confines of the constitution, of course, 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.880 put him on a guilt trip. Whatever they could do 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.200 to find this little girl. Of course, within the bounds 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:19.120 of the constitution, which you agree or disagree, Nicole hotch Clube. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.680 I totally agree, and I think unfortunately, because of his 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.839 experience with law enforcement, he is not likely to break 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.120 and provide information. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.080 expect that they'll be getting any helpful information out of 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.880 this individual. Nicole de Bord hotch Clube, you know you're 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.360 in trouble when I do that. When I call John 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.799 David all of his made up names John David otis 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:48.359 U Jane Lynch the first, Nicole Debord hotch Clube. You 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.839 know how in the dictionary they have meaning one, meaning two, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.600 meaning three. If I give Crispin meaning one for you, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.279 if I miss him, I guess I'll have to give 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:03.960 you meaning two. Could you repeat what you just said? 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.560 But you said based on his experience, you make him 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.720 sound like he's a private investigator or a psychologist. I 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.920 believe what you mean by that, Nicole Debord hodge Clube, 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.520 is that he's got a rap sheet as long as 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.760 I seventy five. Are you talking about that experience? You 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.080 got it? That's his resume. He's had many encounters with 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.240 law enforcement, and I'm thinking, because he's had so many 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.760 encounters with law enforcement, that he is very very unlikely 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:36.080 to respond to what, no doubt is something he's seen before. 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.520 In terms of interview techniques, I'm wondering, just throwing it 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.680 out there, if he could be on probation or parole 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.800 for anything, because if he is, this arrest would absolutely 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:55.800 constitute a violation of parole or probation, which means, what's 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.640 an easy way to say this? Here is a typical 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.760 sentence that I would recommend to a judge. Let's just 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:06.840 say Jackie over here, it's her second offense with crack cocaine? 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.360 What is wrong with you? Woman? Now? I've caught her 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.160 again with a five rock a little of what is that? 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.720 It's a little hit of crack. It's like a little 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.880 yellow rock, Okay, but it's crack and you melt it 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.160 down and you smoke it. Of course, in your a case, 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:26.640 I'm not sure what you're going to do with it, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.400 but I would recommend something like five to do three. 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.480 So what's the five? That means three years behind bars 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.040 because it's your second offense. I gave you first offender 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.560 treatment the first time. For Pete's sake. Five means five 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:46.040 years of probation. Three of that behind bars, which means 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:51.440 she's on the hook for two more years. So if 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:56.679 this guy was on parole or probation that can be revoked. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:02.040 He's out wandering free amongst us on parola, probation maybe, 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:07.080 and even an arrest on a substantive crime such as 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.960 assaulting his daughter in two nineteen, that would revoke that probation. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.320 In a New York minute, explain it, Nicole Hodge Globe 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:21.240 and don't wind up back in the dictionary. Well, here's 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.000 the problem, because there's been such an incredible delay with this. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.440 He would have had to be on probation at the 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.480 time of the allegation. So twenty nineteen, Oh, I'm sure 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.440 he must have done well and still on probation now 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.880 so that they could natronize that type of control over him. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.679 So you're rightly lengthy timeline. You're right, the probation or 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.280 parole would have to be in effect at the time 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.920 of the Black Eye if he in fact did it. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:50.960 Although we know from the uncle Kevin Montgomery, Kevin Montgomery 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.559 called police call nine one one when he saw the 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.160 little girl in the Black Eye, and according to him, 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.360 the father, Adam Montgomery, got so angry he has never 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.120 spoken to Kevin again. So it seems to me, you know, 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.959 circumstantial evidence dictates to me he's the one that gave 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.600 the black eye, because anybody else would want the cops 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:28.080 to show up. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Let's just 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.240 run through what we know of his rap sheet, Nicole Parton, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.080 Do you have anything on his rap sheet that we 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.880 know of? I do, and his rap sheet goes all 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.920 the way back on me. Get comfortable, Go ahead, Okay, 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:46.040 A numerous long rap sheet that includes burglary, a salt an, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:51.080 armed robbery with the intent to murder, and another interesting thing. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.440 Correct me if I'm wrong, Nicole. This is based on 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.800 an account I got from Boston twenty five. Yes, in 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.760 Hampshire he has the burglary, which is a felony, first year, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.320 we assault which is a felony, stalking which can be 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.920 a felony in Massachusetts maybe dating back to twenty fourteen, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.360 which that affects what that relates to what Nicole Hodge 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:18.520 Club just said. In Haverhill, you've got armed robbery? Why 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.280 is he even out armed robbery? Assault with intent to 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.080 murder which I believe to have been a drug shooting, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.800 and they just hand the child over to this father 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.400 if they give the baby to him. If this is 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:41.160 in fact the same Adam Montgomery with the same dab, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.880 what about that doctor Jerry crossing? Doctor Jerry, You've never 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:52.040 worked with defacts, have you? Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.880 you worked with why to help children? Okay, all right? 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.360 That was my focus with him. I look at his 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.200 past behavior in order to look at future behavior. He 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.320 knows the criminal justice system, so it comes down to 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.960 how well they interview and negotiate with him. He's in 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:19.480 a position to negotiate information, so as an interviewer of him, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.760 that's where I would focus in on, because he's definitely 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.920 got information from twenty nineteen four that they need to 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.680 use to fill in their timeline. You know, I'm getting 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.680 a ton of emails and texts on this, and I've 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:41.000 got one question out of Birmingham, and the question is 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.880 is there a way to find out why Harmony is 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.280 blind in one eye? Was she born blind in one eye? 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:52.079 Or is that a result of abuse? Wow? Okay, that's 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.520 a good question. That's a really good question. And I 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.480 want to go back Jackie to some sound from the 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:06.800 Chief of Police where he goes on and on about 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:12.560 how the public should not play detective. Yeah, that's the one. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:17.760 Let's take a listen to our cut nineteen. Well, we 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.320 ask people, don't play detective, okay, don't play police officer. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.080 That is our job. That's the men and women's job 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.240 that work on the Captain Layton. People going on social 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.920 media and circulating their opinions of their theories to do nothing, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.280 nothing for this investigation and are no good and are 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.000 no helpful in trying to locate Harmony. I asked, if 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.400 you leave that that work to where it belongs, and 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.320 it belongs to the Manchester Police Department. We're two years 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.840 behind the power curve, all right, and where Harmony should 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.000 have been, all right, and who she should have been with, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.040 She's not with them. Chief, you need all the help 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.240 you can get. And as I mentioned earlier, the whole 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.959 way we found Gabby Petito's body out in the middle 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:11.200 of the wilderness is because a citizen detective happened to 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.880 have been taking video and remembered seeing the van, Gabby's 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:22.240 van out in dispersed camping out in literally the middle 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.880 of an nowhere, and they pulled that video up, they 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.240 pulled those photos up, and they sent it to police. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.120 The police went to that location and they found Gabby. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.600 So what you're hearing Robert Crispin is the chief of 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.440 police there in Manchester telling everybody back off, we'll handle 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.600 this well. They have screwed it up for the last 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.600 two years. And I guarantee you the only reason that 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.240 dad was arrested in the middle of the night last 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.440 night is because it came out that the uncle, Kevin Montgomery, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:15:00.280 saw her with a black eye. Police recalled and please 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.600 did nothing. So if they were going to arrest Adam Montgomery, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.480 the father, they should have done it right then that 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.240 day and her life would have been saved maybe, But 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.320 oh no, no, no, let's don't do that. Let's not 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.480 only not making arrest but hand her over on a 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.360 silver platter to her violent father. What about that, Crispin? 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.760 And now you got the chief of police telling us 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.520 not to investigate. Really did he just say that? Listen, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.480 We had this conversation. They had some big problems coming 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.920 as far as not making that arrest back in twenty nineteen, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.400 and as far as social media. That is an investigator's dream. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:44.040 That is an investigator's perfect tool when going to investigate somebody, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.760 and more leads come out of social media. It's unbelievable 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.320 how many cases get cleared just based out of social media. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.480 So they've got some problems coming. Thank god. Idiots that 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.080 go online and brag and show off their moneyballs. You know, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.840 the other day Crispin talking to Robert or Crispin former 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:05.160 cop now private investigator. Is it Crispin Investigations dot com 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:10.480 or Crispin Special Investigations dot com? Crispin Investigations dot com. Okay, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:15.240 so not all of your investigations are special. Just I'm special. Okay, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.080 you're the special part. Okay, well we'll debate that later. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.320 But over the holiday, I saw, let me just say, 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.320 when the twins do something silly, I call him at 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.240 ding Dong because I don't want to say idiot or stupid. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.120 We don't say the S word, which is stupid, not 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.640 the other s work. I saw this ding Dong posting 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.800 pictures of himself with Santa holding up all his money, 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:46.160 his moneyballs. Well, needless to say, he had an outstanding 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.600 a warrant for assault or aggravator assault or something, and 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.000 immediately arrested him right there at the mall Santa, I think, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:58.200 posting photos of himself with the mall Santa, at use 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.280 social media supposed to in every law enforcement agency and 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.440 every aggressive detective bureau trolls social media just like a 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.080 patrol guy trolls a parking lot looking for burglars. It's 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:15.520 it's today's weapon in solving crimes. Man, you're not kidding. Christians, obey. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.240 You're all in social media when you get a divorce 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.080 or whatever, because you know, if the husband's cheating, the 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.560 girlfriend espressing all sorts of pictures of her new Rolex 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.679 watch blah blah blah. Doctor Jory, Yes, doctor Jorry Cross 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.920 and joining us psychologists, renowned psychologists, faculties, Saint Leo University, consultant, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:40.640 author of oppressions. You have now revealed that you worked 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.880 at Defects. Isn't that true? Yes? I did parenting evils 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:49.080 and psychological Okay, what now? I did parenting evils and 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.840 psychological court order psychologicals on the parents. And I also 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.800 treated abused and neglected children. You know, doctor Jorry, every 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.760 time I taught to y'all learned something new as I'm old. No, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.280 that's because you're talented and experienced and just kind of 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.960 psychologist I wouldn't want to put on the stand and 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:14.240 people don't get when you represent crime victims, especially children, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.640 it really takes a chunk out of you from then 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.760 on because I remember right now so many of the 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.760 children that I represented, many of them dead of course 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.720 when I was a prosecutor, all the investigation and getting 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.280 the defacts reports, and the horrible disappointment when I found 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.600 out find out defects could have taken the show from 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.200 the home, but no, they left them there to die 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.720 and still going on today. Could you tell us the 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.240 meaning of the words home study? Well, a home study 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.520 there's different ones, like for an adoption or placement, but 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:54.159 basically that's like a psychosocial assessment. You look at the 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.840 dynamics in the house, the family, the extended family, the 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.359 support system, the coping mechanisms that the family has, the 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:07.199 attachment issues. So it's a very comprehensive report. You know, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.399 it usually takes about thirty to forty hours of just 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.480 dedicated time to put together. And isn't it true doctor 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.240 Jerry Cross and that before you place a child, especially 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.840 especially of tender years. You refer to a child under 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.720 twelve as of tender years into a home, a child 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:30.000 that's come out of foster care, like harmony, she admounts 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:35.880 to about nine different foster homes. According to a connected witness, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.919 Apparently in this case, no home study was ever done 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.320 and they placed her with a violent, abusive father. What 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:48.720 do you make of that, Doctor Jorry, to say that's 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:54.040 a break in the system is an understatement. Okay. Once 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:59.320 they're in the system, there's other participants, you know, like 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.400 here in four that we have the child's taken into 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.439 custody for protection, there's going to be up to seven 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:10.399 different people with lawyers like the guardian ad lightem. You 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.560 know there's going to be dc But don't throw around 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:19.479 legal terms plays no Latin phrases. Guardian at lynem just 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:23.080 simply means you can hear the word in their litigation. 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.199 Ad ltem means the court when they're worried about a 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:32.440 child will appoint a guardian ad linem, which is basically 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.400 someone that's been feeling in doing that. Go ahead. Yeah, 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:37.760 here in Florida, you know they're appointed. I was one 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.920 for eighteen years. So you're appointed by the Supreme Court 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.000 State Supreme Court. You're the eyes and ears of the judge. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.560 Basically the judge. You work for the judge in the 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:51.360 best interests of the child, so you know, the guardian 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:56.040 ad lightem has personal input rate to the judge. We've 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:02.080 had horrible cases in Florida. We're really yeah, and can 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.880 ended up yead. That was you know, many years ago. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.600 The system has corrected with a lot of work in 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:16.200 the legislation and things like that. We're not infallible, but 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:32.639 you know it's a lot better than some states time 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:37.000 stories with Nancy Grace. We are waiting at this moment 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.080 for the so called father. And I say so called 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.720 because when I say dad, I think of my dad, 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.440 who is the best dad in the world. Although I've 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.199 got two ladies in the studio that would fight me 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.159 on that, claiming their dad is the best dad in 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:53.879 the world. But her biological father is going to be 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.200 in court at any moment to be arraigned. Nicole de 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.400 word Hodge Club simply what is when somebody is arraigned. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.080 When someone is arraigned, they're brought before the court and 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.119 they're told exactly what their charges are and then they 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.800 can enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. We're 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.359 waiting on that right now. Under our constitution that is required. 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.160 You cannot be held behind bars forever. A certain period 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.760 of time without being brought to court by an impartial magistrate, 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.440 as the law says back to you, Nicole a part 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.119 in Crime Online dot Com Investigative Reporter. What more do 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.160 we know, Nicole? We're still waiting, Nancy. And I also 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.840 want to point out you've seen pictures of this guy, 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.600 and I'm sure you noticed, like I did, that cheer 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.480 drop tattoo under his eye, which we know associated with 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.840 gang prison culture, time served and most of the time 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.520 means that they have killed someone and they're kind of 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.560 proud of it right there on his face. Now, some 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.520 people would argue and claim that means you have lost 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.119 someone to violent crime and you keep a cheer coming 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:01.680 out of your eye, But originally it was to signify 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.480 you had killed someone, not just everybody has a tattoo 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.359 on the front of their face, so it is significant. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.440 And not only that, in Nicole part joining us Crime 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.840 online dot Com investigative reporter, not only are you an 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.439 investigative reporter, you're also a foster parent. How does this 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.760 whole thing work? Absolutely, and this is so disturbing because 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:25.959 here's the thing. Biological parents are held to a different 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.360 standard than those of us who are foster parents my 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.880 home study. To be a foster parent, I can't as 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.239 much as have a speeding ticket, Nancy. They come in 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.560 quarterly and they will take the temperature of my water 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:44.040 in the kitchen sink. My soap is locked up in 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.680 a box with a lock and key on it. This 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.560 guy has a record that includes robbery with intent to kill, 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.720 but DCF placed a child in his care. The system 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.520 is broken. The system is fragile, and the standards by 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:02.560 which biological parents are held are completely different than those 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.919 of us who are foster parents. Yes, they had home study, 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.480 but it is in no way the equivalent to a 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.280 home study that you and I would have to participate in. 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.000 And Nicole parton joining us from crime online dot com. 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.680 You've gotten the father with a rap sheet, and you've 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:21.520 got the mother who has lost custody. I think we 0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.680 can take her out of this equation because it's could 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.600 you check this, Jackie? Unless you know, Nicole, I don't 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.400 think the mom had custody in twenty nineteen when Harmony 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.840 was last seen alive with that black eye. That was 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:40.880 around October one, twenty nineteen. Okay, So, and once her 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.400 rights are terminated, he can't do any more than she's done. 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.080 She can call DC up and ask, but they're not 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.600 going to tell her anything. She has legally no right. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.400 So in somewhat of a defense to this mom, if 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.840 she was looking for the daughter, they wouldn't give her 0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.760 any information because her rights have been terminated. You know, 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:06.200 I hear you. I hear you saying that the Defacts 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.960 Department and Department Family Shouldern's Services wouldn't have to give 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:13.200 the bio mom info. But it would be a cold 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.240 day in hubl that I tried to find my child 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:21.600 through Facebook or by texting someone. You can't find your child, 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.480 you call nine one one, or you get in the 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:28.480 car and you go to that location and start looking. Now, 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.840 I don't know her circumstances. I don't know that much 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.160 about the mom, except that she did not have custody 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:36.040 of her own child and that her other child, at 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.240 least one of them, has been put up for adoption 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.359 and was adopted into a loving home. I know that much. 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:50.000 But to tell me that she had voice concerns, how 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.440 to who what? Two years have passed and we're just 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:58.159 learning the child has disappeared. Take a listen, guys, to 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.640 another state agency that failed this little girl. It's our 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:06.439 cut number four and he's at it again, the new 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.560 Hampshire Police Chief Alan Aldenberg. Listen, last time she was 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.600 enrolled in any type of school. From my understanding, you 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.720