1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours a 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: stunning development in the search for seven year old Harmony Montgomery. 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nations Serious x 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take to listen to our cut. 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: B's not a Manchester, New Hampshire right now. A man 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: has been arrested in connection to the search for a 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: young girl who has been missing for two years. The 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: Attorney General says that Adam Montgomery was wanted for allegedly 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: assaulting Harmony Montgomery in twenty nineteen. He is facing several charges, 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: but has not been charged in her disappearance. Police say 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: the now seven year old was lasting in twenty nineteen, 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: although she was only reported missing last week. I appreciate that. 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad an arrest has been made, essentially for the 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: black eye this little girl had in twenty nineteen. Police 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: were called and they went, can't do anything about that. 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: We'll wash my hands to the whole thing Department of 18 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Family Children's Services. Even worse, they not only don't take 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: her out of the home then, but they proceed to 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: give full custody and give her two The father that 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: we think gave her the black eye, and that is 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. You were hearing our friends 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: at CBS Boston just sin. Did you notice what she 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: said and what she didn't say? Roll it again, Jackie. 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: Police is not a Manchester, New Hampshire. Right now, a 26 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: man has been arrested in connection to the search for 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: a young girl who has been missing for two years. 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: The Attorney General says that Adam Montgomery was wanted for 29 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: allegedly assaulting Harmony Montgomery in twenty nineteen. He is facing 30 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: several charges but has not been charged in her disappearance. 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: Police say the now seven year old was lasting in 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, although she was only reported missing last week. 33 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: So he's arrested for the black eye that this little 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: five year old girl had. Who by the way, he's 35 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: blind in her right eye. But nobody has found Harmony 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: and nobody has been arrested in Harmony's disappearance. Again, This 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: is Fox Nation and Series X one eleven Crime Stories. 38 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me an all 39 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we are learning 40 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: fast and furious as we go to air right now. 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: We believe that that father Adam Montgomery is being arraigned. 42 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: Now that sounds that's a million dollar word for being 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: read his charges. Under our constitution, you can't sit in 44 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: jail for over seventy two hours without being told while 45 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: you're there what the charges are and being told your 46 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: constitutional rights, including a right to a lawyer. And if 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: you cannot afford a lawyer, the state will provide you 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: a lawyer free of charge. Not exactly free, because we're 49 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: all paying for it, the taxpayers with me. Nicole hutch 50 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Glow joining us out of Texas. She's been on the 51 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: case from the very beginning. Former prosecutor now defense attorney 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: at Houston Criminal Defense dot com. Pronounced psychologists joining us. 53 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Jerry Crossen, faculty Saint Leo University, consultant with the 54 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: Blue Wall Institute, author of Operation s S. Robert Crispin 55 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: with us right now. Former law enforcement now private investigator. 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: You can find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. First 57 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton Crime Online dot com investigative reporter Nicole What happened? 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: So breaking news coming out of Manchester last night where 59 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: thirty one year old Adam Montgomery was arrested. He is 60 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: charged with one count of felony second degree assault, one 61 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: missed to me charge of interference with custody, and two 62 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges of endangering the welfare of a child. All 63 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: of this, as you said, coming from that summer two 64 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen incident where we little Harmony has that black eye. 65 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: Two years later, there's finally an arrest. You're absolutely correct, 66 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: Nicole Parton. Take a listen to our friends at WCVB. 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: We have some breaking news right now in the case 68 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: of that missing girl in New Hampshire. The state Attorney 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: General is saying an outstanding warrant on a twenty nineteen 70 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: assault charge involving seven year old Harmony Montgomery, Adam Montgomery, 71 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: will be arraigned today. We are waiting to hear from 72 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: the AG about Montgomery's relationship to that child. The search 73 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: continues this morning for Harmony His relationship. Well, I can 74 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: tell you that right now. Adam Montgomery is Harmony's father. 75 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: Her mother, who goes a couple of different names, but 76 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: we know her as Crystal. Sorry, has not had custody 77 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: of Harmony since twenty nineteen. I want to go straight 78 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: to you. Robert Crispin, private investigator. Crispin's special investigations. What 79 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: do you make of the arrest, Well, I make it 80 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: as they want to move this thing forward, and they 81 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: want to get him into a controlled environment, to get 82 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: an interview with this guy, to find out what's going on, 83 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: and put these charges out there. Get him under their umbrella, 84 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: get him under their control. Wow, you know in the 85 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: dictionary where they put euphemism, I'm gonna put your picture 86 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: beside that, because you're really putting the perfume on the 87 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: pig right there, Crispin. What they're doing is they're arresting 88 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: him on a previous charge of beating this little girl 89 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, allegedly beating her, leaving this little girl 90 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: with a black eye. They've got him in their clutches 91 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: like the spider in the web, and now they're going 92 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: to try to squeeze him. Talk to him if he 93 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: will volunteer anything, play good cop, bad cop, Bring him 94 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, no, take it away, give it back, 95 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: Threaten him within the confines of the constitution, of course, 96 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: put him on a guilt trip. Whatever they could do 97 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: to find this little girl. Of course, within the bounds 98 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: of the constitution, which you agree or disagree, Nicole hotch Clube. 99 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I think unfortunately, because of his 100 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: experience with law enforcement, he is not likely to break 101 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: and provide information. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't 102 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: expect that they'll be getting any helpful information out of 103 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: this individual. Nicole de Bord hotch Clube, you know you're 104 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: in trouble when I do that. When I call John 105 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: David all of his made up names John David otis 106 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: U Jane Lynch the first, Nicole Debord hotch Clube. You 107 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: know how in the dictionary they have meaning one, meaning two, 108 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: meaning three. If I give Crispin meaning one for you, 109 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: if I miss him, I guess I'll have to give 110 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: you meaning two. Could you repeat what you just said? 111 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: But you said based on his experience, you make him 112 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: sound like he's a private investigator or a psychologist. I 113 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: believe what you mean by that, Nicole Debord hodge Clube, 114 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: is that he's got a rap sheet as long as 115 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: I seventy five. Are you talking about that experience? You 116 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: got it? That's his resume. He's had many encounters with 117 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement, and I'm thinking, because he's had so many 118 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: encounters with law enforcement, that he is very very unlikely 119 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: to respond to what, no doubt is something he's seen before. 120 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: In terms of interview techniques, I'm wondering, just throwing it 121 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: out there, if he could be on probation or parole 122 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: for anything, because if he is, this arrest would absolutely 123 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: constitute a violation of parole or probation, which means, what's 124 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: an easy way to say this? Here is a typical 125 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: sentence that I would recommend to a judge. Let's just 126 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: say Jackie over here, it's her second offense with crack cocaine? 127 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? Woman? Now? I've caught her 128 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: again with a five rock a little of what is that? 129 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: It's a little hit of crack. It's like a little 130 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: yellow rock, Okay, but it's crack and you melt it 131 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: down and you smoke it. Of course, in your a case, 132 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you're going to do with it, 133 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: but I would recommend something like five to do three. 134 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: So what's the five? That means three years behind bars 135 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: because it's your second offense. I gave you first offender 136 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: treatment the first time. For Pete's sake. Five means five 137 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: years of probation. Three of that behind bars, which means 138 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: she's on the hook for two more years. So if 139 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: this guy was on parole or probation that can be revoked. 140 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: He's out wandering free amongst us on parola, probation maybe, 141 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: and even an arrest on a substantive crime such as 142 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: assaulting his daughter in two nineteen, that would revoke that probation. 143 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: In a New York minute, explain it, Nicole Hodge Globe 144 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: and don't wind up back in the dictionary. Well, here's 145 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the problem, because there's been such an incredible delay with this. 146 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: He would have had to be on probation at the 147 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: time of the allegation. So twenty nineteen, Oh, I'm sure 148 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: he must have done well and still on probation now 149 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: so that they could natronize that type of control over him. 150 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: So you're rightly lengthy timeline. You're right, the probation or 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: parole would have to be in effect at the time 152 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: of the Black Eye if he in fact did it. 153 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Although we know from the uncle Kevin Montgomery, Kevin Montgomery 154 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: called police call nine one one when he saw the 155 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: little girl in the Black Eye, and according to him, 156 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: the father, Adam Montgomery, got so angry he has never 157 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: spoken to Kevin again. So it seems to me, you know, 158 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence dictates to me he's the one that gave 159 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: the black eye, because anybody else would want the cops 160 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: to show up. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Let's just 161 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: run through what we know of his rap sheet, Nicole Parton, 162 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: Do you have anything on his rap sheet that we 163 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: know of? I do, and his rap sheet goes all 164 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: the way back on me. Get comfortable, Go ahead, Okay, 165 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: A numerous long rap sheet that includes burglary, a salt an, 166 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: armed robbery with the intent to murder, and another interesting thing. 167 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, Nicole. This is based on 168 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: an account I got from Boston twenty five. Yes, in 169 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: Hampshire he has the burglary, which is a felony, first year, 170 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: we assault which is a felony, stalking which can be 171 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: a felony in Massachusetts maybe dating back to twenty fourteen, 172 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: which that affects what that relates to what Nicole Hodge 173 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: Club just said. In Haverhill, you've got armed robbery? Why 174 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: is he even out armed robbery? Assault with intent to 175 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: murder which I believe to have been a drug shooting, 176 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: and they just hand the child over to this father 177 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: if they give the baby to him. If this is 178 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: in fact the same Adam Montgomery with the same dab, 179 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: what about that doctor Jerry crossing? Doctor Jerry, You've never 180 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: worked with defacts, have you? Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, 181 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you worked with why to help children? Okay, all right? 182 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: That was my focus with him. I look at his 183 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: past behavior in order to look at future behavior. He 184 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: knows the criminal justice system, so it comes down to 185 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: how well they interview and negotiate with him. He's in 186 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: a position to negotiate information, so as an interviewer of him, 187 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: that's where I would focus in on, because he's definitely 188 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: got information from twenty nineteen four that they need to 189 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: use to fill in their timeline. You know, I'm getting 190 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: a ton of emails and texts on this, and I've 191 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: got one question out of Birmingham, and the question is 192 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: is there a way to find out why Harmony is 193 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: blind in one eye? Was she born blind in one eye? 194 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: Or is that a result of abuse? Wow? Okay, that's 195 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: a good question. That's a really good question. And I 196 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: want to go back Jackie to some sound from the 197 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Chief of Police where he goes on and on about 198 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: how the public should not play detective. Yeah, that's the one. 199 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to our cut nineteen. Well, we 200 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: ask people, don't play detective, okay, don't play police officer. 201 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: That is our job. That's the men and women's job 202 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: that work on the Captain Layton. People going on social 203 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: media and circulating their opinions of their theories to do nothing, 204 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: nothing for this investigation and are no good and are 205 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: no helpful in trying to locate Harmony. I asked, if 206 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: you leave that that work to where it belongs, and 207 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: it belongs to the Manchester Police Department. We're two years 208 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: behind the power curve, all right, and where Harmony should 209 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: have been, all right, and who she should have been with, 210 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: She's not with them. Chief, you need all the help 211 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: you can get. And as I mentioned earlier, the whole 212 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: way we found Gabby Petito's body out in the middle 213 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: of the wilderness is because a citizen detective happened to 214 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: have been taking video and remembered seeing the van, Gabby's 215 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: van out in dispersed camping out in literally the middle 216 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: of an nowhere, and they pulled that video up, they 217 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: pulled those photos up, and they sent it to police. 218 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: The police went to that location and they found Gabby. 219 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: So what you're hearing Robert Crispin is the chief of 220 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: police there in Manchester telling everybody back off, we'll handle 221 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: this well. They have screwed it up for the last 222 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: two years. And I guarantee you the only reason that 223 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: dad was arrested in the middle of the night last 224 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: night is because it came out that the uncle, Kevin Montgomery, 225 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: saw her with a black eye. Police recalled and please 226 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: did nothing. So if they were going to arrest Adam Montgomery, 227 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: the father, they should have done it right then that 228 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: day and her life would have been saved maybe, But 229 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, let's don't do that. Let's not 230 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: only not making arrest but hand her over on a 231 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: silver platter to her violent father. What about that, Crispin? 232 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: And now you got the chief of police telling us 233 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: not to investigate. Really did he just say that? Listen, 234 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: We had this conversation. They had some big problems coming 235 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: as far as not making that arrest back in twenty nineteen, 236 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: and as far as social media. That is an investigator's dream. 237 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: That is an investigator's perfect tool when going to investigate somebody, 238 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: and more leads come out of social media. It's unbelievable 239 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: how many cases get cleared just based out of social media. 240 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: So they've got some problems coming. Thank god. Idiots that 241 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: go online and brag and show off their moneyballs. You know, 242 00:15:56,120 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the other day Crispin talking to Robert or Crispin former 243 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: cop now private investigator. Is it Crispin Investigations dot com 244 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: or Crispin Special Investigations dot com? Crispin Investigations dot com. Okay, 245 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: so not all of your investigations are special. Just I'm special. Okay, 246 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: you're the special part. Okay, well we'll debate that later. 247 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: But over the holiday, I saw, let me just say, 248 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: when the twins do something silly, I call him at 249 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: ding Dong because I don't want to say idiot or stupid. 250 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: We don't say the S word, which is stupid, not 251 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: the other s work. I saw this ding Dong posting 252 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: pictures of himself with Santa holding up all his money, 253 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: his moneyballs. Well, needless to say, he had an outstanding 254 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: a warrant for assault or aggravator assault or something, and 255 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: immediately arrested him right there at the mall Santa, I think, 256 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: posting photos of himself with the mall Santa, at use 257 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: social media supposed to in every law enforcement agency and 258 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: every aggressive detective bureau trolls social media just like a 259 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: patrol guy trolls a parking lot looking for burglars. It's 260 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: it's today's weapon in solving crimes. Man, you're not kidding. Christians, obey. 261 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: You're all in social media when you get a divorce 262 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: or whatever, because you know, if the husband's cheating, the 263 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: girlfriend espressing all sorts of pictures of her new Rolex 264 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: watch blah blah blah. Doctor Jory, Yes, doctor Jorry Cross 265 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: and joining us psychologists, renowned psychologists, faculties, Saint Leo University, consultant, 266 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: author of oppressions. You have now revealed that you worked 267 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: at Defects. Isn't that true? Yes? I did parenting evils 268 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: and psychological Okay, what now? I did parenting evils and 269 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: psychological court order psychologicals on the parents. And I also 270 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: treated abused and neglected children. You know, doctor Jorry, every 271 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: time I taught to y'all learned something new as I'm old. No, 272 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: that's because you're talented and experienced and just kind of 273 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: psychologist I wouldn't want to put on the stand and 274 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: people don't get when you represent crime victims, especially children, 275 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: it really takes a chunk out of you from then 276 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: on because I remember right now so many of the 277 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: children that I represented, many of them dead of course 278 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: when I was a prosecutor, all the investigation and getting 279 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: the defacts reports, and the horrible disappointment when I found 280 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: out find out defects could have taken the show from 281 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: the home, but no, they left them there to die 282 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: and still going on today. Could you tell us the 283 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: meaning of the words home study? Well, a home study 284 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: there's different ones, like for an adoption or placement, but 285 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: basically that's like a psychosocial assessment. You look at the 286 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: dynamics in the house, the family, the extended family, the 287 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: support system, the coping mechanisms that the family has, the 288 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: attachment issues. So it's a very comprehensive report. You know, 289 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: it usually takes about thirty to forty hours of just 290 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: dedicated time to put together. And isn't it true doctor 291 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: Jerry Cross and that before you place a child, especially 292 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: especially of tender years. You refer to a child under 293 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: twelve as of tender years into a home, a child 294 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: that's come out of foster care, like harmony, she admounts 295 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: to about nine different foster homes. According to a connected witness, 296 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: Apparently in this case, no home study was ever done 297 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: and they placed her with a violent, abusive father. What 298 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: do you make of that, Doctor Jorry, to say that's 299 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: a break in the system is an understatement. Okay. Once 300 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: they're in the system, there's other participants, you know, like 301 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: here in four that we have the child's taken into 302 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: custody for protection, there's going to be up to seven 303 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: different people with lawyers like the guardian ad lightem. You 304 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: know there's going to be dc But don't throw around 305 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: legal terms plays no Latin phrases. Guardian at lynem just 306 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: simply means you can hear the word in their litigation. 307 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: Ad ltem means the court when they're worried about a 308 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: child will appoint a guardian ad linem, which is basically 309 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: someone that's been feeling in doing that. Go ahead. Yeah, 310 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: here in Florida, you know they're appointed. I was one 311 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: for eighteen years. So you're appointed by the Supreme Court 312 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: State Supreme Court. You're the eyes and ears of the judge. 313 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: Basically the judge. You work for the judge in the 314 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: best interests of the child, so you know, the guardian 315 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: ad lightem has personal input rate to the judge. We've 316 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: had horrible cases in Florida. We're really yeah, and can 317 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: ended up yead. That was you know, many years ago. 318 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: The system has corrected with a lot of work in 319 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: the legislation and things like that. We're not infallible, but 320 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: you know it's a lot better than some states time 321 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. We are waiting at this moment 322 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: for the so called father. And I say so called 323 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: because when I say dad, I think of my dad, 324 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: who is the best dad in the world. Although I've 325 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: got two ladies in the studio that would fight me 326 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: on that, claiming their dad is the best dad in 327 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: the world. But her biological father is going to be 328 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: in court at any moment to be arraigned. Nicole de 329 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: word Hodge Club simply what is when somebody is arraigned. 330 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: When someone is arraigned, they're brought before the court and 331 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: they're told exactly what their charges are and then they 332 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: can enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. We're 333 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: waiting on that right now. Under our constitution that is required. 334 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: You cannot be held behind bars forever. A certain period 335 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: of time without being brought to court by an impartial magistrate, 336 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: as the law says back to you, Nicole a part 337 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: in Crime Online dot Com Investigative Reporter. What more do 338 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: we know, Nicole? We're still waiting, Nancy. And I also 339 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: want to point out you've seen pictures of this guy, 340 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you noticed, like I did, that cheer 341 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: drop tattoo under his eye, which we know associated with 342 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: gang prison culture, time served and most of the time 343 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: means that they have killed someone and they're kind of 344 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: proud of it right there on his face. Now, some 345 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: people would argue and claim that means you have lost 346 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: someone to violent crime and you keep a cheer coming 347 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: out of your eye, But originally it was to signify 348 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: you had killed someone, not just everybody has a tattoo 349 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: on the front of their face, so it is significant. 350 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: And not only that, in Nicole part joining us Crime 351 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, not only are you an 352 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: investigative reporter, you're also a foster parent. How does this 353 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: whole thing work? Absolutely, and this is so disturbing because 354 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Biological parents are held to a different 355 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: standard than those of us who are foster parents my 356 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: home study. To be a foster parent, I can't as 357 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,239 Speaker 1: much as have a speeding ticket, Nancy. They come in 358 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: quarterly and they will take the temperature of my water 359 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: in the kitchen sink. My soap is locked up in 360 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: a box with a lock and key on it. This 361 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: guy has a record that includes robbery with intent to kill, 362 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: but DCF placed a child in his care. The system 363 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: is broken. The system is fragile, and the standards by 364 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: which biological parents are held are completely different than those 365 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: of us who are foster parents. Yes, they had home study, 366 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: but it is in no way the equivalent to a 367 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: home study that you and I would have to participate in. 368 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: And Nicole parton joining us from crime online dot com. 369 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: You've gotten the father with a rap sheet, and you've 370 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: got the mother who has lost custody. I think we 371 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: can take her out of this equation because it's could 372 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: you check this, Jackie? Unless you know, Nicole, I don't 373 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: think the mom had custody in twenty nineteen when Harmony 374 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: was last seen alive with that black eye. That was 375 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: around October one, twenty nineteen. Okay, So, and once her 376 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: rights are terminated, he can't do any more than she's done. 377 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: She can call DC up and ask, but they're not 378 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: going to tell her anything. She has legally no right. 379 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: So in somewhat of a defense to this mom, if 380 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: she was looking for the daughter, they wouldn't give her 381 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: any information because her rights have been terminated. You know, 382 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you saying that the Defacts 383 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Department and Department Family Shouldern's Services wouldn't have to give 384 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: the bio mom info. But it would be a cold 385 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: day in hubl that I tried to find my child 386 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: through Facebook or by texting someone. You can't find your child, 387 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: you call nine one one, or you get in the 388 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: car and you go to that location and start looking. Now, 389 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't know her circumstances. I don't know that much 390 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: about the mom, except that she did not have custody 391 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: of her own child and that her other child, at 392 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: least one of them, has been put up for adoption 393 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: and was adopted into a loving home. I know that much. 394 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: But to tell me that she had voice concerns, how 395 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: to who what? Two years have passed and we're just 396 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: learning the child has disappeared. Take a listen, guys, to 397 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: another state agency that failed this little girl. It's our 398 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: cut number four and he's at it again, the new 399 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: Hampshire Police Chief Alan Aldenberg. Listen, last time she was 400 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: enrolled in any type of school. From my understanding, you 401 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: have to be confirmed as down in Massachusetts. But again, 402 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: she's seven right now, so twenty nineteen five years old, 403 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: probably right around that kindergarten timeframe. Again, we've spoken with 404 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: family members and we'll continue to do so. I know 405 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: I keep coming back to that, and that's a fair question, right, 406 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: did we speak to mom? Did we speak to dad? 407 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: Did we speak to This was speaking to any and 408 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: all family members that come to our attention and ones 409 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: that we are seeking out as well. So that tells 410 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: me she was in school, doctor Jerry Crossen, she was 411 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: in school in Massachusetts. So what happened when she didn't 412 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: come back to school in the fall, even if it 413 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: was pandemic, she should have been on zoom. What they 414 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: just did? Nothing? Somebody should have been checking on that. 415 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean either the Child Services, the Education Board of 416 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Education or locally. That's again a break in the system, 417 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: but that's that's terrific. I mean, doctor Jorry cross and 418 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: you've worked with defacts as you grew and to the 419 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: renowned psychologists you are. Now, why would any defects worker 420 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: leave a baby girl in the home with a day 421 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: that just gave her a black eye? When you've got 422 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: a bio uncle literally fighting to try to get back 423 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: into the house to see about the girl, and the 424 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: family push him literally push him out in the door. 425 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: Why would you leave a child in that hell hole? 426 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I would never leave a child like that, And you know, 427 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: to try to even phantom that behavior is just really 428 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: impossible for me because I've been in those positions and again, 429 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: you'll always put the child's interest in safety first. Well, 430 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: apparently that's not what happened here. Crime Stories with Nancy 431 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: Grace Nicole de Board Hodge Club joining me, high profile 432 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: defense lawyer out of Houston, former prosecutor. She's at Houston 433 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: Criminal Defense dot Com. What would you advise police to 434 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: do with the dad Adam Montgomery? He's behind bars right now. 435 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: What do you do with him? How do you go 436 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: about questioning him to try to find harmony? Well, at 437 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: this point, he's got a lawyer. You've got to get 438 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: in touch with that lawyer and try to do what 439 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: you can to set up an interview and it may 440 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: be time to start talking to the prosecution about what 441 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: they can offer him, just to make sure that they 442 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: have the most recent and correct information about where harmony 443 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: might be. Well, I agree with everything you just said, 444 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: but shouldn't they try to talk to him? And unless 445 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: he says lawyer, the costs can talk to him. That's 446 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: a touchy subject because he likely already has a lawyer. 447 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: If you don't know about moment, don't know that the 448 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: court should have appointed him someone if he doesn't have 449 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: one higher so it can be dangerous. And the problem 450 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: is is that if they talk to him while he 451 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: already has a lawyer, they could lose the value of 452 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: everything that he has to say, and they may be 453 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: at risk of not being able to prosecute him, even 454 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: if he's telling them the worst information you could imagine. 455 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: So they've really got to make sure that they're dotting 456 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: their eyes and crossing their teeth and following the rules. 457 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: So if he has a lawyer, that lawyer needs to 458 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: be in the loop. You're right, Nicole, You're absolutely right. 459 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: There's no way to get around it. You don't want 460 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: to get some type of a confessional statement that you 461 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: can't use in court. Of course, in New Hampshire and 462 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: Massachusetts there's no death penalty. You can kill as many 463 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: children as you want to and you're never going to 464 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: get the death penalty there. You'll get three hots and caught, 465 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: just like everybody else. Now I mentioned that Harmony has 466 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: siblings from that mom Crystal, Sorry, one of them that 467 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: I know of, little jamieson This just breaks my heart. 468 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: I can just imagine my twins in this horrible situation. 469 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: I tried not to, but Harmony was trying to take 470 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: care of her little brother and foster care. Now Jamison 471 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: has been adopted out by who I now considered to 472 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: be a friend, Blair Miller. Take a listen to our 473 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: cut twenty Blair speaking to Boston twenty five. When we 474 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: were going down this road, we wanted, we wanted Jamison 475 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: to be happy, and we wanted to make it. You know, 476 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: we've has who said with Oliver boys, whatever they need 477 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: in life to be successful and feel family, and we 478 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: all know a family can look very different. We wanted 479 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: to be part of and so certainly we were open 480 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: to that as a possibility, and we really didn't have 481 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: a choice. And because what we were told by DCF 482 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: and Massachusetts was that her father, and so we kind 483 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: of led that play out, and there wasn't much we 484 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: could do. I think we wanted to ask a lot 485 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: more questions, and certainly we're asking those questions now and 486 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: wondering what happened there and what's the backstory light? But 487 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: certainly it's upsetting to hear that no one knows where 488 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: she is right now. Dodger Jory Crawsen, this wonderful dad 489 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: who has taken little Jamison, Harmony's little brother into their 490 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: family and adopted him, tried to get Harmony because they 491 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: wanted the little brother to have his family with him. 492 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: They wanted to adopt Harmony, and they were told no. 493 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: Man Instead defects decided to reunite her with her bio dad, 494 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: the convict, the armed robber, the drug shooter. We think 495 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: still alleged. What in the world why would they do that? 496 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: I can't even a bathom that too, Because you always, 497 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: again as a protocol, psychologically and for the best interest 498 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: of the child, you keep siblings together. You find placement 499 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: where they're together. If you don't have placement, you still 500 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: keep the child together. This system. The more I hear 501 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: about it up there, it all. It's just terrific. Somebody 502 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: needs to do a complete rehaul or get it shut down. Man, 503 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: you're not kid about that. Guys, take a listener more 504 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: of the police Chief, Alan Aldemar. This is our cut six. 505 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: Do you last contact in October of twenty nineteen that 506 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: would have been a result of a call for service 507 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: involving the Manchester Police Department, and that call for service 508 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: was handled, and that that is the last time that 509 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: she has been seen here in the city of Manchester. 510 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that she has not been seen somewhere else. 511 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm just focusing on home. When the last time she 512 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: was seen in the city of Manchester. For us to 513 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: have a two year delay, all right, that is extremely concerning. 514 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: It's not something that happens on a regular basis not 515 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: something that we deal with. I mean, if we had 516 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: missing going two years without hearing we're missing children, that 517 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: doesn't happen every day. And again that's why I'm standing 518 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: in front of you today. I got a two year window. 519 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: We have a two year window that we're trying to shrink. 520 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: It's very quote concerning. Yeah, I guess it is concerning 521 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: because you're a people. Chief answered that black eye call 522 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: and left a little girl in the home with a 523 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: raging dad who punched her in the face. Other eye 524 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: and black and it and you left her there. And 525 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: now you're saying quote concerning, and listen to the way 526 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: he glossed over that the last contact October twenty nineteen 527 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: was the result of a quote call for service. That 528 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: call for service was handled, and that's the last time 529 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: she has been seen in the city of Manchester. It 530 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: was handled, all right. If you're called dropping the ball 531 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: and turning your back on an abused, beaten little girl 532 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: handling it, I mean, what happened to call a part? 533 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: And I've learned a lot through the uncle Kevin Montgomery. 534 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: You had the uncle calling and I think July August, 535 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: you've got neighbors calling police after that about the bad 536 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: living conditions for harmony, and then you got the uncle 537 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: calling back in October twenty nineteen. So how was the 538 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: black eye call actually handled as the police chief described it? 539 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: I wish I knew the details, but he's seeming to 540 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: be trying to say that they did respond to the call. 541 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean, they showed up, but they found no evidence 542 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: to believe I guess that it was a physical attack 543 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: of the child. Who knows what happened. Did the father 544 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: say she failed? Did he come up with some excuse, 545 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: We don't know. They're not releasing those details. But oddly enough, 546 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: two years later, they've decided to arrest him for those allegations, 547 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: for that conduct against little Harmony. Robert Crispin, before you 548 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: became Crispin's Special Investigations, you wore law enforcement. When you 549 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: go to a home on a domestic and you see 550 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: a victim crime with a black eye, what are you 551 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: supposed to do? What's sop? What's protocol? You're going to jail, 552 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: you John, right, You're going to jail. Yeah, and how 553 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: do you do it? You're going to jail right there 554 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: that night. I mean, you know, get back in your 555 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 1: patrol car and drive off. Crispin. Oh, they've got they've 556 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: got some problems coming. Um. There's just no way they 557 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: can enable their way out of this. You know, I 558 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: don't know what their retention period is if they had bodycams, 559 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 1: if they went back and reviewed that call on bodycam. 560 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what their retention period is for those camps. 561 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: But they clearly went back and there was a prosecutor 562 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: who felt that there was enough to charge this guy. 563 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: And this is what we or what they may have 564 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: needed to get this ball rolling. Well, it's a day 565 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: late and a dollar short, but okay, if you say so, 566 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: go ahead, touch base real quick. And what our other 567 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: guests said about him lawyering up and did he have 568 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: a lawyer? And listen, there's a lot of stuff going 569 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. And I can guarantee you that 570 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: this interview happened a long time ago, before we knew 571 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: about this arrest. This interview happened at the house. I'm 572 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: sure there's things going on behind the scenes. I'm sure 573 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: there's some search warrants going on, and I'm sure they 574 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: had their crack at this guy before he said, lawyer, 575 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: you know this isn't the crime. Did you do an 576 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: arm robbery? This is a crime about your daughter. You're 577 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: a baby daughter, her baby girl. She had only live 578 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: sixty months on this earth. A completely different band, it's 579 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: a completely different heartstring. Have you looked, guys, have you 580 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,479 Speaker 1: looked at her picture? Because she's always got this huge 581 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: smile and she's got in her little special glasses and 582 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: you can tell one eye is having a problem. We 583 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: now know she's blind in that eye. She's always got 584 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: this big smile. Behind that smile, this child was being 585 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: abused and beaten and bouncing from foster home to foster home, 586 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: and now she may be dead. Special tipline six O 587 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: three two zero three six zero six zero repeat six 588 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: zero three two zero three six zero six zero. The 589 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: reward has now climbed to thirty three thousand dollars. We 590 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: wait as justice and false Nancy Grace crime story signing off, 591 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend