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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Mike Selski is the Philadelphia in Choir columnist.

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Speaker 1: He's covered the seventy six ers for nearly twenty years,

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Speaker 1: and Mike joins us on the program. All right, Mike,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the mood is with sixer fans?

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Speaker 1: I think the Philadelphia police need to guard all the

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Speaker 1: bridges in and around the city because there's going to

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Speaker 1: be some people heading there and ready to take the

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Speaker 1: deep plunge. Not to be too dark about it. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think the anger lies? A lot of it

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Speaker 1: at Ben Simmons. A lot of it at Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: because Ben violated kind of the first rule of Philadelphia's sports,

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Speaker 1: which is you can go down, but you better go

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Speaker 1: down trying. And the fact that he kind of withered

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Speaker 1: away at the end there, didn't want clearly didn't want

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Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. You know, that passed up

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Speaker 1: dunk is going to be the subject of documentary filmmaking

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Speaker 1: for years to come, I think. And then you had

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Speaker 1: doc when he was questioned after the game, can you

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Speaker 1: win a champion and ship with him? And he answered it. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised he did saying, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: where Prior to this, it felt like Doc was always

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Speaker 1: there to remind the media Ben Simmons is a special player.

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Speaker 1: Can can they win a championship with Ben Simmons? They

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Speaker 1: can win a championship with Ben Simmons, I think I

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Speaker 1: don't think they can win a championship with Ben Simmons

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Speaker 1: as their point guard. You can't have a point guard

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Speaker 1: abdicating his role in the offense completely to the degree

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Speaker 1: that Simmons does. I mean, he just stands there under

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Speaker 1: the basket and becomes a non factor and non option.

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Speaker 1: You can't even throw him the ball because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to go to the foul line. It's a really complex,

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Speaker 1: bad situation in that he's gotten worse in that regard

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Speaker 1: since he's been in the league. I mean, his numbers

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Speaker 1: were all down this season. There's been a lot made

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia about how Doc Rivers was going to be

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Speaker 1: the new coach who was going to come in and

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Speaker 1: you know, unleash Ben. But if you look at Ben's

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Speaker 1: numbers and you watch the quality of his play over

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Speaker 1: the course of the season, he did not improve as

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Speaker 1: a player under Doc. He got worse, and then he

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Speaker 1: doesn't even attempt field goals in the fourth quarter. I

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Speaker 1: mean that. I mean, that's so telling here, Mike, that

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Speaker 1: he in the mental aspect of this, This isn't something

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Speaker 1: you just go into a gym and say, hey, come

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Speaker 1: on in and shoot some free throws like this. There's

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Speaker 1: more to this than just we're going to fix your form,

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Speaker 1: which would be really difficult to do as well. Do

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Speaker 1: the seventy sixers have the infrastructure to be able to

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Speaker 1: do this and and say all right, hey, we're going

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Speaker 1: to take time, we learn you know from previous players

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Speaker 1: that you know have the yips shooting yips. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, let's let's be honest about this day.

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Speaker 1: As it turned out, they drafted players number one overall

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Speaker 1: in back to back seasons in Ben Simmons, Marquel folks

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Speaker 1: who can't shoot. I mean, this is and it's not

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Speaker 1: you know, they try and they can't do it. They

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Speaker 1: had a mental block about it, and we can You're right,

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Speaker 1: we can talk all we want about Simmons form. And

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Speaker 1: I've written columns about this about how his elbow flares

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Speaker 1: out and his form is terrible and he's ambidextrious, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it would be better if he weren't. It's not

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Speaker 1: about the form anymore. He does not want to go

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Speaker 1: to the foul line. And to answer your question about

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Speaker 1: whether the Sixers can sort this out, they had a

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Speaker 1: dry run at this with Marquel Folks and they weren't

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Speaker 1: able to do it. And now you've got it with

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Speaker 1: of it is is that his teammates see it and

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Speaker 1: they know it. You watch that clip of that passed

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Speaker 1: up dunk again. You see Joe LMBI putting his hands

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Speaker 1: in the air like what are you doing? Ben? Just

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down? And you know that kind of

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Speaker 1: thing gumes up an offense. It creates tension on a

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Speaker 1: team where a team can't afford it. You know. The

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Speaker 1: scuttlebut in Philadelphia is that this is it for Ben

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Speaker 1: Simmons there And at this point I find it hard

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Speaker 1: does this become a Carson Wentz like situation that you

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Speaker 1: almost feel like you have to let him go for

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Speaker 1: think it's starker than the Winz situation. There was still

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Speaker 1: some debate and divide in Philadelphia over whether the Eagles

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Speaker 1: ought to keep Wentz, whether the problems that the Eagles

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Speaker 1: went through last season were solely on Wentz or mostly

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Speaker 1: You can see it. He does not want to participate

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Speaker 1: Joel Embiad had eight turnovers last night, and that's bad.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't rise to the occasion in the way

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Speaker 1: that Kevin Durant did or Yannis did the other night.

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Speaker 1: But he's not the kind of player who you want

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Speaker 1: hitting off the dribble. You need a player, a point

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Speaker 1: guard who can get a player like Embiad and a

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Speaker 1: And right now the Sixers don't have that, and everybody

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Speaker 1: can see it, and all those eyes are going to

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Speaker 1: one place, and that's Ben Simmons. So what do you

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Speaker 1: do in the off season? Is there a trade market

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Speaker 1: for Ben Simmons? That's a great question. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: Daryl Morey tried during the season. I mean, they came

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Speaker 1: very close to making that deal for James Harden. You know,

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Speaker 1: they wanted Hardened, they were willing to move Simmons to

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Speaker 1: get it. The irony of all that is that Simmons

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Speaker 1: came back after that trade fell through, and Harden ended

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Speaker 1: But I think there is there the market that there

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Speaker 1: once was. No there can't possibly be after these seven

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Speaker 1: more he's going to have to try to get creative

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Speaker 1: because if they bring him back and they try to

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Speaker 1: run this back without making some significant changes, boy, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a hard go for them next year

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Speaker 1: in the city. Is the process still going on? Mike?

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like Dan I was an advocate

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Speaker 1: he resigned. There's been so much upheaval and so many

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Speaker 1: changes since then. They've gone through Brian Angelo, they went

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Speaker 1: through a year without really a GM where they ended

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Speaker 1: up trading away mckel bridges, Zaire Smith. You know, they

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Speaker 1: let Jimmy Butler walk and signed Tobias Harris instead. You know,

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Speaker 1: now we have Doc and Darryl. You know in here

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Speaker 1: the process has ended. I think we're far enough removed

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Speaker 1: from what Hinky was doing and was trying to do

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Speaker 1: to say, look, you know, they took a big swing.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work, and in some ways Philadelphia was kind

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Speaker 1: of the worst place for it for trying something like

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Speaker 1: this because Philadelphia sports fans and sports followers are most

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Speaker 1: comfortable and like a defensive crouch, right, they don't want

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Speaker 1: want to protect themselves as much as they can. That's

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Speaker 1: why the series lost hurts so much, Dan, is that

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Speaker 1: the Sixtures were favored. It was one thing to have

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Speaker 1: the Eagles beat the Patriots when Nick Foles the backup,

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Speaker 1: is leading them to championship glory. It's another thing when

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Speaker 1: a team is supposed to win a series. Philadelphia hates that.

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Speaker 1: I use the analogy that if you could have been

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Speaker 1: Simmons in a role that's similar to Draymond Green with

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Speaker 1: Golden State, where he's the third or fourth option, where

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Speaker 1: you you know his passing, defense and rebounding, if there's

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Speaker 1: a way to kind of and it sounds strange to

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Speaker 1: say it that you've got to kind of hide him

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Speaker 1: or put him in a position where he can succeed.

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Speaker 1: This is all you ask him to do, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible. I'm not sure it is

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Speaker 1: either not with the money he's making. I mean, can

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Speaker 1: who makes thirty forty million dollars a year, you know,

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Speaker 1: be Draymond Green. I mean nothing against Draymond. He's a

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Speaker 1: horrific player, but you know, he wasn't Steph Curry, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't Kevin durand he wasn't Clay Thompson. So you know,

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Speaker 1: what do you do if you're the Sixers? As you said,

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Speaker 1: you can't really hide a guy who's making that much money.

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Speaker 1: Just gives you more to write. Mike, They just they

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Speaker 1: write these columns for you. Hey, I'll take it, man,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it every time. Thank you, Mike. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time. Thanks for having me to appreciate it. Mike Selski,

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Speaker 1: who writes for the Philadelphia Inquire covering this seventy six

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Speaker 1: Ers for a couple of decades. There, Yes, Paul, you

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Speaker 1: know you're comparing to Draymond Green. And when Draymond Green

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Speaker 1: you know, fourteen points twelve points a game. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a main option, but he was shooting like seventy three

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Speaker 1: a game. He was a nice shooter. Yeah, yeah, it's tough,

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Speaker 1: where we don't understand, and it's really hard to correct

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Speaker 1: because I could say to Ben Simmons, why didn't you

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Speaker 1: get together, why didn't you just watch Chris Mullen free throws?

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Speaker 1: Just watch the flow that Molly had left hander, look

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Speaker 1: at the form and the feel that he has, and

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Speaker 1: got a guy making forty million dollars a year bringing

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Speaker 1: Chris Mullins a shoeing coach just to say let me

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Speaker 1: I think his form is not good because his elbow

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Speaker 1: for twenty five years. To be a better player. What

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Speaker 1: you do is you keep practicing the things that don't

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's not shooting it correctly. Lonzo

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Speaker 1: ball same thing I kept I kept saying. If Lonzo

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Speaker 1: Lonzo has almost like it's a windshield wiper that that

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Speaker 1: If he shortened it a little bit, then I think

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Speaker 1: he would get better results. We're seeing him shoot a

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Speaker 1: little bit better, but it's not that as much as

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Speaker 1: the confidence to take the shot. Ben didn't even he

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Speaker 1: but he knows he has to keep shooting for that team.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, he was spectacular in Game seven.

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Speaker 1: He really was, but that was an entire team that

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Speaker 1: two games, you have your opportunity to win, and they

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Speaker 1: made me work because I picked them to beat the Nets,

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Speaker 1: and I thought they they're not a good enough team

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Speaker 1: they almost lost that. Kevin Durants wearing the correct size shoes,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he wears eighteens and he's a size

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Speaker 1: talking about the Bucks bowing out of the playoffs. Yeah, Paul,

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Speaker 1: go back to Ben Simmons. He's been in six playoffs

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Speaker 1: not made any of the teams, whether it be defensive

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Speaker 1: or All NBA. And that sticks with you and it

427
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Speaker 1: drives you. But I think his game is most like Kobe's,

428
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Speaker 1: but I also think it's most like Devin Booker's. Yeah,

429
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Speaker 1: I was wondering about that the Kobe comparison because it's

430
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Speaker 1: a little tricky because Kobe had this attack mode constantly,

431
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: like he wanted to kill you, and Booker, I don't

432
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Speaker 1: know if he has that temperament that he wants to

433
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Speaker 1: continue to bring it. Yeah, but if you if you,

434
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: they were pretty close and they talked a lot, and

435
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, nobody, not too many people have

436
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Speaker 1: what Kobe had. I think the Russ Westberg probably has

437
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: that the most in the game right now for me

438
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: that I that I watch. And uh, but you know,

439
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: Devin shows it in a different way, and he is

440
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of killer instinct, but it shows

441
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: a different way. And uh, you know, nobody's Kobe, nobody's Michael,

442
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: nobody's Lebron and uh but certainly I think that Devin

443
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: Booker has established himself. But but again, you know a

444
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about Donovan Mitchell. They're talking about

445
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: Mitchell or in Utah than they are about book and

446
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. But uh, you know, Booker's just he's just

447
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: taken his time and I think people will see I mean, well,

448
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: what he did yesterday the triple double, and uh, you know,

449
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: he's been a tough rebounding guard. He rebounds what seven

450
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: rebounds a game, and he can get four to six

451
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: assists a game, but last night he got eleven, So

452
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: you know he's capable. And we've seen him what you know,

453
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: against Boston he at seventy points, so we know that

454
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Speaker 1: he can score. And but when he's not scoring, he

455
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Speaker 1: can do other things. And I think that that's the

456
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Speaker 1: one thing that he prides himself on as Kobe did

457
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Speaker 1: you know there's games where it just doesn't work for you,

458
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: But certainly I think that you know, playing defense, setting screens,

459
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Speaker 1: blocking out, and he's recognizing that more and more. Ann

460
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Speaker 1: Myers drives Dale, the Hall of Famer, Phoenix Suns vice president,

461
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Sons color analyst for Fox Sports Arizona. How well did

462
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: you know Kobe? Um? Well, you know, his dad coached

463
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: the LA Spark and so that's where I really first

464
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: got to know Kobe. And certainly he lives down in

465
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Speaker 1: Orange County where I'm at, and we've had interaction and

466
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Speaker 1: so forth, and probably not as close. And what I

467
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Speaker 1: love is a lot of the w NBA players like

468
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: a Jewel Lloyd and Sabrina and Escu and Diana. Diana

469
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Speaker 1: Truston has been given the White Mamba named by Kobe

470
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Speaker 1: and certainly grew grew up in southern California idolizing him,

471
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Speaker 1: and so you know, he's been around the w NBA

472
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Speaker 1: quite a bit and that was kind of a big

473
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Speaker 1: loss for that side. And as a matter of fact,

474
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Speaker 1: yesterday's game, the New York Liberty at Los Angeles Sparks

475
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Speaker 1: was the day of the twenty fifth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: w NBA starting, And what's unfortunate that it didn't get

477
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Speaker 1: a lot of coverage. It was tough because you're going

478
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Speaker 1: against not only the two games, but also the US Open.

479
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: But um, you know he because he was so involved

480
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Speaker 1: with women's basketball and his camps. Um, you know, I

481
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Speaker 1: got to know him through there and would see him

482
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of different games. We've been talking a lot

483
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: about Ben Simmons today and I'm guessing with your title

484
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: as Suns vice president, you can't talk about somebody individually.

485
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to get you in trouble.

486
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: But you know, this mental hurdle that we have, it's

487
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily it's physical, but then it becomes mental, Like

488
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't know any when when athletes have to think,

489
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: that's usually when they get in trouble. They usually react

490
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Speaker 1: here and I don't know, like Ben Simmons, is not

491
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Speaker 1: a quick fix where you just go, hey, work on

492
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Speaker 1: your form. It's mental. Now. Well, I'm not going to

493
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Speaker 1: say anything on that, but you know, my late husband

494
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: Don Drysdale used to say, don't think it hurts the

495
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: ball club, and so, you know, you just go out

496
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Speaker 1: there and play. I remember Magic when he played for

497
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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Lakers and he was limited, who was

498
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: very young when he came in with the Lakers, but

499
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Speaker 1: he was limited and a lot of things that he

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Speaker 1: could do and couldn't do. But the one thing that

501
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Magic did is every summer he worked on what he

502
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: couldn't do and he improved on that, whether it be

503
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: his outside shot or his defense and so forth. But uh,

504
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, the players that want to get better and

505
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: want to be great work on the things that they're

506
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: not quite as efficient on. When you went to the

507
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: Pacers camp, who who were the players with the Pacers?

508
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Johnny Davis who I had known with the PanAm Games,

509
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: and we had George McGinnis and Alex English, Uh, Brad Davis.

510
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Speaker 1: You know, as a pre agent rookie camp. So I

511
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: signed as a pre agent. I wasn't drafted and trying

512
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Speaker 1: to you know, I mean, it's been a long time, Dan,

513
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I know, a long time. But but but for those

514
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: of us in the audience who don't know explained you

515
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: came out of UCLA and you were like, this was

516
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: a big deal. You were invited to camp? Were you

517
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Speaker 1: treated as just a basketball player when you got there? Well,

518
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that had happened to

519
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess prepared me for that, whether my

520
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: whole life playing sports and in the game of basketball

521
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: and playing USA Basketball and playing against the men growing

522
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: up and playing at Polly Pavilion and pickup games. But

523
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: certainly my brother David playing for coach John Wooden and

524
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: winning a couple of national championships, and he was the

525
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Speaker 1: number one draft pick for the Lakers and was in

526
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: the trade that brought Kareem to LA And so David

527
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: was playing in Milwaukee when I went to UCLA. It

528
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: was a human interest story. So the media talked a

529
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Speaker 1: lot about my brother David and myself. I went to

530
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Speaker 1: the Olympics. We won silver. That was the first time

531
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: they had women's basketball in the Olympics. My senior year,

532
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: we won the national championship. So I mean being in

533
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, being at UCLA, I had received a lot

534
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Speaker 1: of exposure, and I was planning to go to the

535
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Olympics. So you still had to be amateur

536
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: at that time. So the new owner of the Indiana

537
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Pacers was Sam Nassy. I got a call when I

538
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: came back from Russia and the Spartacade Games, and certainly

539
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: David being in the NBA. I knew a lot of

540
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: people in the NBA, players and coaches, being on all

541
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: these different international teams, so it's not like people didn't

542
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: know who I was. It's certainly a thing where you know,

543
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: I was just as surprised as anybody else. But I

544
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: thought it was an opportunity of lifetime that a lot

545
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: of people don't get asked for something like that, and

546
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I had a lot of belief in my ability. Whether

547
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought it was a publicity stunt,

548
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: I know that there were, but at that time I

549
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: didn't think that. I thought it was somebody who was

550
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: giving me a chance to do something, and I took it,

551
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: and so mentally, physically, emotionally, it was the best I

552
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: was ever prepared to play the game. I mean I

553
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: focused on working out with my one of my other brothers,

554
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, mentally got in my head and

555
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: physically I was talking to David and talking to other people,

556
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: so you know, I was ready, But it was a

557
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: different situation. Did they treat me? You know? Uh sick Leonard,

558
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: who was the coach, came out several times to California

559
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: to talk me out of it. He did not want

560
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: this to happen. Jack McClosky, well, I think he just

561
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: grew up in a different generation. I mean, this was

562
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't going to have some girl tryout in the NBA.

563
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Speaker 1: That certainly was the attitude of a lot of the media.

564
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Speaker 1: And but and I never known Dan what a press

565
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: conference was. I just you know one, I wasn't very

566
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: good at talking, but at press conference, what was that?

567
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Speaker 1: So we had a press conference, and certainly I had

568
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: been interviewed a lot when I was at UCLA and

569
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: even before that in high school and elementary school. But

570
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: now this press conference was pretty attacking by the media,

571
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: and I was very caught off guard on that, so

572
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to deal with that very well.

573
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: But I got to Indiana and uh, you know it

574
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: was going to happen. I mean, the owner was going

575
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Speaker 1: to have it happened, and I agreed to do it.

576
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Speaker 1: So Jack mcloski was one of the assistants and he said, uh,

577
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: you know one point, fundamentally, I was better than half

578
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: the guys out there. So that's my UCLA days certainly

579
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: and knowing the fundamentals. But um, you know, it's a

580
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: great experience for me. I mean we had, uh the

581
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: three days of two day practices and uh, I know

582
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: it was tough on the guys because it was a

583
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: no win situation for them. Um you know, if they

584
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: blocked my shot, no big deal. It's only a girl.

585
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: But if I made a shot, you let some girl

586
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Speaker 1: beat you, which is the name of my book, You

587
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: let some girl beat you. Come on, Pat, you know

588
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: you know or dan You and I if we played

589
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and if I beat you, what do you think the

590
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: Danets would say? You wouldn't beat me? Oh you would

591
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: not be both. But see that's your attitude. Well you

592
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: know you went to Dayton, would it wouldn't know, but

593
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't It wouldn't matter who I was talking to me.

594
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: I know that's who you are. That's what I love

595
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: about you, and you have to have that attitude. And

596
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: that's what I had going into play against the guys,

597
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: because I'd always played against the guys. So even though

598
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people felt, well, she can't do this,

599
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: and she can't do that, and she can't do that,

600
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: and I always thought, what can I do? You know,

601
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Speaker 1: And even now when I when I was a general

602
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: manager for the Phoenix Mercury, and even when I look

603
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: at the NBA, I look at what guys can do.

604
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Not you know, there's a deficiency in everybody's game, but

605
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: look at why did you pick that person? Well, you

606
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: picked them for a certain reason, So I want to

607
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: see what they can do. And certainly as far as

608
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: you know mentally, as you mentioned earlier, you know, it's

609
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Speaker 1: a lot of You've got to be in a good

610
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: frame of mind and you have to have a lot

611
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: of positive people around you. And so with my tryout,

612
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: I did have positive people around me, and thank goodness

613
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I didn't have social media. Then how close are we

614
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: to a female head coach in the NBA? I think

615
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. There's no question. The fact that

616
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about it and it's been exposed out there

617
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: so much. It's like, you know, Charles was talking last

618
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 1: night about, you know, the black coaches. You've got to

619
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: have the conversations. You've got to bring the issues out

620
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: so people are aware of them, and whether you agree

621
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: or disagree, you have to have I think the conversation

622
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: to be able to talk about it. And the fact

623
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: that we've talked about having a woman coach in the NBA.

624
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. And now who that organization is

625
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: going to be, who that general manager and owner is

626
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: going to be positive about it. Then you've got to

627
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: sell your media, your local market because the media is

628
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: not for it, you know, and that's very obvious. But

629
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be somebody that's got to be a

630
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: strong personality that's been in the game and has had

631
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: things said about them already. And certainly we know that

632
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: Becky Hammond is out there, and people have talked about

633
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: Don Staley at South Carolina, but you know, this was

634
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: talk when Pat Summit and Tara Vanderveer, there was talk

635
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: about them taking over as coaches on the men's side,

636
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: so you know, it's not like this is new. It's

637
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: going to going on for long time. It's great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you as always, and uh, it's so good

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Speaker 1: to see you. And how is your jumper. When's the

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00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: last time you took a shot? Well, I got a

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Speaker 1: basket in the backyard, so I'll shoot my little free bankers. Okay,

642
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: that drives me nuts of the bank shot almost shot, Well,

643
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: that was one of Coach Wooden. He loved the bank shot.

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Speaker 1: Tim Dunlans. It's been proven that it's a higher percentage

645
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Speaker 1: of the shot going in and if it's missed, seventy

646
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Speaker 1: percent of the shots are dropped within that area. So

647
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: you give an opportunity to your teammate to get a rebound.

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Speaker 1: But I don't miss, so they don't have to worry

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Speaker 1: about a rebound. And you know that. You know that says,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't mess with Reggie when it comes

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Speaker 1: to a shooting contest. I don't mess with Reggie. I

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Speaker 1: know my limitations. Annie, Hey, thanks for joining us, and uh,

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Speaker 1: good luck the rest of the series. Hey, thanks and

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Speaker 1: watch the Worker you too. Aunts. Ann Myers Drysdale, The

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns vice president and color analyst Fox Sports Arizona.

656
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Speaker 1: We worked the Olympics a couple of times. We'd go back.

657
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Speaker 1: We'd always get I'm just competitive. I know, it feels

658
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Speaker 1: like she's my sister, where I would just get competitive,

659
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know I love that. Yeah, it doesn't

660
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Speaker 1: matter who's on the other end. I still want to

661
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to take you to the hoop. Yeah, pull.

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Speaker 1: That must have been a huge deal of the time

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Speaker 1: coverage wise, when she went to Pacers camp, and that's

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Speaker 1: I would I assume that's unprecedented. Yeah, at the time,

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Speaker 1: it was. And I remember Nancy Lieberman would play. She

666
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Speaker 1: played on the Washington Generals who faced the Globetrotters, her

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Speaker 1: and her then husband Tim, and that was a big

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Speaker 1: deal as well. But you know, I never played a

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Speaker 1: game with Anne, but I did with Nancy. And I

670
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Speaker 1: played with a few Dallas Cowboys, including Ken Norton Junior

671
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Speaker 1: and Dion in a pickup game in Dallas. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when the game gets started, Nancy, you you just isn't

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Speaker 1: like that was a woman out there. It was just

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Speaker 1: she was just a player, which is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: best compliment you could give. I think Yeah. See, should

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Speaker 1: we start a moving to save the bank shot? So

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Speaker 1: I could really see that being something that we pick up.

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Speaker 1: M Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: s R. Reggie Miller will be on the call for

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals on TNT between the Hawks and

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Speaker 1: the Bucks, beginning Wednesday at eight thirty Eastern. Yeah. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you predicted that, didn't you, Red Hawks versus the Bucks?

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Speaker 1: We went to we went to Vegas, didn't we put it? No,

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Speaker 1: put the money down on the on the Bucks and

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Speaker 1: the Hawks. Well, I had I had for you, and

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Speaker 1: I remember, but I remember you and I distinctly having

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Speaker 1: that conversation. Hey, Red, let's go put down our money

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Speaker 1: on the Milwaukee Bucks and the Atlanta Hawks to be

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Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Final. Wow. All right, before we

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Speaker 1: get to the winning teams, let me start with the

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Speaker 1: losing teams. Seems they're more interesting here. Let me start

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Speaker 1: with Philadelphia I brought this up to you last year.

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Speaker 1: I think I've brought this up to you in the

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Speaker 1: last two years with Ben Simmons. What would you do

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Speaker 1: with Ben Simmons? If you're Philadelphia, you want to keep him,

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Speaker 1: So what do you do? I think you go out

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Speaker 1: to a hard worst doore and you buy all the

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Speaker 1: locks possible. You put him in a gym and you've

704
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Speaker 1: had locked the door shut. I think looks bad, Rege.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a beating this offseason, and a

706
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Speaker 1: little bit rightfully. So It's not so much he wasn't shooting.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't aggressive at all, and I don't mind him

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Speaker 1: missing jump shots or whatever, but put pressure on the defense.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't putting any pressure on Atlanta whatsoever. And at

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Speaker 1: six ten in that frame, all I got to do

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Speaker 1: was put him in the midpost and let him get

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Speaker 1: a couple of crab dribbles until he gets into the

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Speaker 1: paint collapse the defense. That's being aggressive. It's not always

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Speaker 1: taking shots. People assume that when I tell people to

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Speaker 1: be aggressive, it's always about shots. Sometimes it's good to

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Speaker 1: be a decoy and create offense for others, which he's

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Speaker 1: good at. He wasn't even doing that, Dan, and that's

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Speaker 1: the problem. Yeah, but now it's mental redge. He didn't

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Speaker 1: attempt field goals in the fourth quarter in what five

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Speaker 1: of the seven games? He wasn't. They have to put

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Speaker 1: him down in the low post to hide him, because

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Speaker 1: then somebody asked to guard him down there as a

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Speaker 1: post on the perimeter. Look, as much as I love

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers, I've been on this show and said he's

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Speaker 1: one of the best coaches, he's got to take partial

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Speaker 1: blame of this because, look, we all were reading the

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Speaker 1: stats coming into game seven. We knew that he hadn't

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Speaker 1: attempted shots. We knew that he hadn't been aggressive. This

729
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Speaker 1: kind of has to go. The blullback has to go

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Speaker 1: a little bit to Doc as well, because Doc knew this.

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Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. Where does he turn to?

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Speaker 1: Is he turn into shake Milton? Is he turning to thyble?

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Speaker 1: I mean, where do you want him to turn when

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Speaker 1: you have a what twenty three, twenty four? I'm not

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Speaker 1: exactly sure how old Ben Simmons is. Do you crush

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Speaker 1: his confidence by taking him out? I mean, are you

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Speaker 1: going to grow with him? So Doc has to take

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Speaker 1: has to look at the mirror a little bit because

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Speaker 1: Doc left him out there. He left him on the

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Speaker 1: island out there as well. But where does Doc turn to?

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if he can stay in Philadelphia? Well, look,

742
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Speaker 1: someone will open up the piggybang for him, you know that, right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I don't it's you know, you're not going to

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Speaker 1: get dollar for dollar for him. It's not like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna trade him to Portland to get Dame Lillard,

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Speaker 1: all right. I mean I don't. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: you can send him in what you could get in

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Speaker 1: return almost feels like there's a little addition by subtraction

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Speaker 1: here Red And I think they kind of did that

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Speaker 1: with their overall number all pick a few years ago

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Speaker 1: when mark el Folts, right, did mark el Folts have

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Speaker 1: a little Yeah, gifts and a hitch and a shot,

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Speaker 1: and he was the overall number one pick. He was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be teamed with Ben Simmons, it was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the backcourt of the future. And it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, addition by subtraction again. So you see what

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Speaker 1: you can get maybe a couple of first round draft picks,

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Speaker 1: get younger and get lucky in the draft again. But

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't close the book on Ben Simmons because he

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Speaker 1: is such a young player. I agree with you that

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Speaker 1: it is mental at this aspect, but this is something

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Speaker 1: that can be corrected. It's a shape to see because

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Speaker 1: he's such a good kid and he has so much

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Speaker 1: physical talent. He just needs he needs a junk. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, Redgie, there's one thing his

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Speaker 1: form is not good, and then the mental aspect of this.

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Speaker 1: I know they're combined because if all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: he starts making shots, it's amazing that you feel a

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Speaker 1: lot more confident about your game. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: do I work on the mental side of this with

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and then the physical or does it have

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Speaker 1: to be the other way. I think you have to

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Speaker 1: work on the mental side first because the physical side

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Speaker 1: will come. That's just repetition being in the gym and

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Speaker 1: getting your reps. In The mental approach I think will

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Speaker 1: take longer because as you and I know how Philly

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Speaker 1: fans are and how Top radio is right as we

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Speaker 1: speak in Philadelphia, they are crucifying this young band and mentally,

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Speaker 1: how is he going to come to grips with that?

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Speaker 1: And he has to get stronger mentally first before the

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Speaker 1: physical aspects can can take place. Yeah, he's just gotta

782
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Speaker 1: try to survive until football season starts in Philadelphia. That'll

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Speaker 1: take him, take away the heat from him. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with that, Good luck the Nets. Durant was spectacular And

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Speaker 1: I don't know James Harden's health status there, Wrench, but

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Speaker 1: James Harden and close out games is I think one

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Speaker 1: and seven now. He was not good yesterday either, and

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Speaker 1: well he really wasn't good in the three games he

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Speaker 1: came back for the Net. Yeah, he was just out

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Speaker 1: there and they needed another player with Kyrie being down

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Speaker 1: with the ankle injury. And you're right, super human effort

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Speaker 1: by Kevin Durant. But I put a tweet out after

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Speaker 1: Game five, after that unbelievable game that he had to

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Speaker 1: bring them back when they were down double digits against Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: This is a guy that's coming off in Achilles terror

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Speaker 1: and all season long, you have rested him and he

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Speaker 1: played forty eight minutes. If you would have rested him

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Speaker 1: during the regular season again, winning Game five, that was

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Speaker 1: the game they needed to get to go up three

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Speaker 1: two game six. It's a luxury, it's not a necessity.

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Speaker 1: I would have rested him, and certainly I would have

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Speaker 1: rested James Harder, who played forty five minutes in game

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Speaker 1: five and gave them five points. The fact that they

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Speaker 1: came back and played them in game six and everyone

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Speaker 1: killed me, right, No, you go after games? You go. No,

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Speaker 1: I want to win one game and I'll sort the

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Speaker 1: rest out later. I'm pushing all my chips in the game.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you have rather now? In hindside, wouldn't brother had

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Speaker 1: arrested on three days, rest Kevin Durant and certainly James

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Speaker 1: Harden for game seven? Did you see how they were

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Speaker 1: just hung over in exhaustion both teams. But wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: have loved to have had a fresh Kevin Durant and

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Speaker 1: a fresh James Harden in game seven? Forty minutes they

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Speaker 1: played in game six and Harden was a little bit

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Speaker 1: better than Game five. He didn't shoot the ball right,

816
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: and Katie was Katie. But the Bucks played it smarter,

817
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: don't blow them out, keep it close. So they have

818
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Speaker 1: to play those minutes forty minutes both by them in

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Speaker 1: game six and they come back, and would Katie fifty three?

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Speaker 1: He played the whole game and overtime and what forty

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Speaker 1: five for James Harden maybe more, and that overtime deciding

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Speaker 1: Game seven, it was too much and on top and

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Speaker 1: having said all that, they were a size sixteen shoo

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Speaker 1: on the line from winning that. Having me said all that,

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00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: they still could have won that. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I needed one game. If I'm in the Nets, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if I'm gonna take a beating for not

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Speaker 1: having them playing in game six. I want them fresh

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Speaker 1: for Game seven, and I'll worry about game one when

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Speaker 1: game one comes in the conference finals. No, if if

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Speaker 1: the Nets would have lost Game five, I never would

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Speaker 1: have said that, because that's out of necessity that he

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Speaker 1: has to play game six. But it was a luxury

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Speaker 1: that they won. I don't need game six. I need

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Speaker 1: Game seven. The Utah Jazz had a great opportunity missed opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And I mean we can look at Mike Kindly not

837
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Speaker 1: being in there. I mean, you win the first two games, right,

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Speaker 1: and then lose four straight. Yeah, Donovan Mitchell wasn't one,

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Speaker 1: but still of home court advantage and the defensive player

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Speaker 1: of the year, Rudy Gobert got abused. I I don't

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Speaker 1: was this a successful season for the Jazz successful regular season.

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Speaker 1: You had the overall best record, you had the Defensive

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Speaker 1: Player of the Year and Rudy Gobert. You had the

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Speaker 1: sixth Avant of the Year and Jordan Clark. And doesn't

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Speaker 1: that make it worse? Redge? It does? And then you

846
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: know coach Snyder was almost Coach of the Year, so

847
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Speaker 1: you almost had three of the top awards on your team.

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Speaker 1: And yet you're up twenty five in the second half

849
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Speaker 1: on the road, and it's a closeout scenario for you.

850
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: You've got to close the door and by any means necessary,

851
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: you've got to get that Game six back to Salt

852
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Lake City for Game seven. So how you highlight all that?

853
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: It's disappointing if you're a Jazz fan because you can't

854
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: be twenty Now. Look, I know comebacks happened. I've been

855
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: a part of them and on both sides. But you've

856
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: got to win that game. Dan, you can't be up

857
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: twenty five in the second half. It's one thing to

858
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: be up early twenty five, but in the third quarter

859
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: with the firepower they have, you got to win that game.

860
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Reggie Miller, Hall of Famer, Reggie be

861
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: on the call Eastern Conference Finals. That will be Hawks Bucks.

862
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: That'll be Wednesday at eight thirty Eastern. More of a

863
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: coming out party for Trey Young or Devin Booker in

864
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: your opinion, I think I said on this show the

865
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: one person I was excited to see in these playoffs

866
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: above everyone else was Devin Booker. Real basketball minds like

867
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: yourself in mind, we know we understand true players. Devin

868
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: Booker is a true player. He just has been on

869
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: crappy teams his whole career, his whole young career. Yeah,

870
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: and we're finally getting a chance. We caught a glimpse

871
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: of it in the bubble last season when they went

872
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: eight to zero and everyone was kind of what was

873
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: the NBA gonna look like? Everyone convened in one place.

874
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: So we caught a glimpse of that. Even though they

875
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs, they were the only team to

876
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: be undefeated down there, and then when they added Chris Paul,

877
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: they exploded this year's second best record in the West.

878
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: But Devin Booker, I've said all along, and people thought

879
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: I was crazy because his idol is Kobe Bryant, and

880
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: he has taken on that mentality that MoMA mentality by

881
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: any means necessary, and I love the dog that's in him,

882
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that people are finally seen it. Trey

883
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: Young has been great, Don't get me wrong. What he's

884
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: done on the Eastern Shoreboard has been fantastic, taking out

885
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: the Knicks and the Sixers. But Devin Booker's I can't

886
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: believe he didn't make one of the All NBA teams.

887
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: It's I can't even I don't know who's voting on this,

888
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: not me, not me. I mean, did the NBA have

889
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: a good season? When you now, let me let me

890
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: preface this. You know they wanted a short season, very

891
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: little offseason, and then a battle of injuries with marquee

892
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: players and now four non premier teams remaining in the playoffs.

893
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Did the NBA? Has the NBA had a good year? Well,

894
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: one thing I will say, I don't want fans hitting

895
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, hitting you on Twitter. I don't want

896
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: to hear about conspiracy theories anymore. I don't want to

897
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: hear about refs or Adam Silver wanting the big name teams.

898
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear all that. Because they had

899
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: a shot to have Brooklyn and Philly in the conference finals.

900
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: You've got Step out in the playing game. You've got

901
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: Lebron James out in the first round. I don't want

902
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: to hear all that the best teams win. What is

903
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: it's for new Blood? We would never know the story

904
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: of Trey Young, of Devin Booker, of Donovan Mitchell to

905
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: a certain extent if it wasn't for these playoffs. So

906
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: you need new book. Lebron James can't play forever, Chris

907
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: Paul can't play forever. Kevin Durant has shown why he

908
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: was the best player before the Achilles injury and after

909
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: the Achilles injury. But we need some of these twenty

910
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: year olds to show up, and they have so. I

911
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: know the Radians probably won't be great, But I love

912
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: new Blood. I love smaller markets being on the biggest

913
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: stage like Milwaukee. Wait, man, if we were doing a

914
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: pickup game and it's Lebron and KD and you have

915
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: first pick, well, pickup game, you need buckets. I'm going

916
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: with Kadie. Okay, if you were going to have one

917
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: guy for a season, just one year, is KD better

918
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: than Lebron James at this point of his career? Like

919
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: Lebron at thirty six or Lebron at thirty? Right now today,

920
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: are you betting against Lebron? I would never bet against Lebron,

921
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: but right now, what Katie showed me those last three

922
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: ball games. We like to call Kawhi Leonard the Terminator

923
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: because we feel like he's a machine. He just does

924
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: it over and over for this dude to play forty eight,

925
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: come back with forty and come back with fifty three

926
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: minutes straight and that performance, those performances, I'm rolling with.

927
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. Lebron's like the terminator man like I would

928
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: not bet against him. I wouldn't bet against Brady. I

929
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't bet against Lebron. Just wouldn't what Katie did. No, No,

930
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 1: I understand all of that. And Katie is playing better

931
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: certainly offensively, scoring wise, right, I just I wouldn't bet

932
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: against I don't know. I wouldn't bet against Lebron. I

933
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. How about this, this is the best way.

934
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: Let's just flip flop them on their current teams. Okay,

935
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: Katie was on the Lakers this year versus Phoenix, and

936
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: Lebron was on Brooklyn in that closeout situation versus Milwaukee.

937
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: Does it end up the same way. Um, yes, yeah,

938
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: just just flip blop them. Katie on the Lakers going

939
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: against Phoenix and Lebron on Brooklyn going against Milwaukee. I'm

940
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: guessing Durant might have been able to carry them. I

941
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: think scoring wise in the first round. Scoring wise, Lebron

942
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: would have made the nets different and the backup players different.

943
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to know you're going to

944
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: get the ball as opposed to you know, we're just

945
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: watching KD. Lebron. Lebron is inclusive. KD is not inclusive.

946
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: KD is just dominating. So it would be a different nets,

947
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: Like I would, I would hope that, you know, Joe

948
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: Harris would actually show up like some of the other

949
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: players would show up there, and Lebron Lebron would probably

950
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 1: be demanding that because he would be inclusive. Whereas Okay,

951
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: so what I just laid out to you is basically

952
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: been was the talk of the eighties and up to

953
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: the early nineties. Would you take Magic Johnson or would

954
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: you take Michael Jordan? Because that's basically what we what

955
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: you just said, one's inclusive and one is just a dominant, Right, yeah,

956
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: so would you take Magic Johnson's He said everyone else

957
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: up and be the winner, or would you take one

958
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: of the most dominating scores and mentally tough players. The

959
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: Bron's going to be the greatest score of all time.

960
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: Magic was not a scorer like Lebron is one of

961
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: the great scores of all times. So I get magic distributor,

962
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: I get a better defender, I get now not as

963
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: good a passer, and then I get a far better scorer.

964
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: So Lebron's le Bron's different than Magic. You know, Magic

965
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: was limited offensively, Lebron is not so much, right, yes, okay,

966
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: all right, okay, all right, that depends if I put

967
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: Magic on the bulls, do they still win six titles?

968
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: And are you putting MGM later Big Game James with

969
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: Michael Cooper with Byron Scott. But how would they have

970
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: done with Jordan. I don't know if they would have

971
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: enjoyed it as much as they did with Magic, right,

972
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: I think they would have been the showtime. It would

973
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: have been showtime. It would have been it would have

974
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: been me time, it would have been Mike time. Yeah, Hey, Mike,

975
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: Darren said that I'm not afraid. I'm not afraid of Jordan.

976
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: He'd say it too, he'd be like, yeah, it'd be

977
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: about me. Though. Would they be as good with Mike

978
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: as opposed to would the Bulls be as good with Magic?

979
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not six? I would say four. Maybe not six,

980
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: but four. I think the Lakers would have too much

981
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: talent to be denied, whereas I don't. As great as

982
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Magic was, I don't think the Bulls would have had

983
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: enough scoring around him. I think Mike made Steve Kerr, Paxson,

984
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Scotty to a certain degree. He made those Judd Usler,

985
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: he made those guys relevants. What are you? What are

986
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: you doing today? You have no NBA? No, this this

987
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 1: is crazy. No, it's good. We need to take a breather.

988
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: That was a That was a big weekend. That was crazy.

989
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: Was a big weekend to digest. Yeah, look, I'm all

990
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: in for new Blood. I know people are probably not happy.

991
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: But are you bet? Could you bet against the Clippers

992
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: right now? Because like when every still like Phoenix winning

993
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: it at all? Oh? Really, I have Phoenix winning. Okay, Okay,

994
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: I have Phoenix win it at all. Okay after being

995
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: after seeing them up close, seeing how their defense is now,

996
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see conditioning wise, how CP three

997
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: is coming back, um, but if he hasn't missed a beat,

998
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: I still like Phoenix to win it. All. That includes

999
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: the winner of Milwaukee Atlanta, which a lot of people

1000
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: are going to assume it's Milwaukee. I'm still rolling with Phoenix,

1001
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: all right, Fredge, great talk to you, buddy. I love

1002
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: I love these spearage your conversations with you. This is

1003
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: why our friendship has endured because a lot of times

1004
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: we may agree to disagree, but at the end of

1005
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: the day I always end up agreeing with you. There

1006
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and that we had that in shooting in common? Do

1007
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: we do? We? Okay? We go let no no, no,

1008
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: no no. All I know is Regg laughed at me,

1009
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: laughed at me after a practice at Indiana when I

1010
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: was shooting against Mark Jackson and I and Reggie wouldn't

1011
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: even stay and watch. He wouldn't stand watch. He laughed

1012
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: at me and went into the locker room. That still

1013
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: hurts Redge. It's called I was trying to build your

1014
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: common No you did not. You laughed at me. You

1015
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: you went to not stand around for this and then

1016
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: you started laughing. You ran off the floor. I love you. Yeah,

1017
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: thank you, Rich. That's Reggie Miller be on the call

1018
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: Wednesday at eight thirty Eastern T n T the Eastern

1019
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: Conference Finals