Speaker 1: What up, y'all? Hello, Hello, I hope you're having a
Speaker 1: beautiful day. Welcome to Cheeky's and Chill. I have a
Speaker 1: question for you. Have you gotten an opportunity or a
Speaker 1: new job, or a promotion, or gotten accepted to an
Speaker 1: elite university and felt like you weren't capable enough or
Speaker 1: talented enough to be there. Have you ever doubted yourself
Speaker 1: in those situations? I know I have, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you have too. There's a chance you may have even
Speaker 1: experienced something called imposter syndrome. And that's what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about on today's episode, because I think it's
Speaker 1: something a lot of people can relate to. According to WebMD,
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome is when you feel like you're not as
Speaker 1: talented or capable as others think you are, and you
Speaker 1: become scared that others will find out. So we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: some examples, guys, because I definitely have dealt with imposter syndrome,
Speaker 1: especially in the earlier years of my career, maybe even
Speaker 1: when I started business, because being an entrepreneur was like
Speaker 1: my first love. I started a lot of businesses for
Speaker 1: my mom and with my mom, and I would always think,
Speaker 1: why I just have high school education. It's all. I
Speaker 1: have a high school diploma. I didn't go to college.
Speaker 1: I didn't go to college to get like a business
Speaker 1: degree or whatnot. And I felt like, shit, can I
Speaker 1: do this? And I didn't want to let my mom down.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to let myself down. I had to
Speaker 1: tell myself over and over, especially with my mom when
Speaker 1: we started the perfume and everything, and I went to
Speaker 1: China and like the whole thing. It was so nerve wracking.
Speaker 1: But I knew that I would do it more, not
Speaker 1: even for obviously myself, but more to just prove to her,
Speaker 1: to make her proud. And that's also not a good thing.
Speaker 1: I learned that later on in my life. But I
Speaker 1: really did think, I'm like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can do this, that people are going to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well what experience do you have to go and start
Speaker 1: this business and the skincare line for your mom and
Speaker 1: this makeup line. And I just knew I love the
Speaker 1: beauty industry since I was young. But thank god, I
Speaker 1: learned as I went and I would always buy those books.
Speaker 1: I'd go to Barnes and Noble and read the dummy books,
Speaker 1: the you know, business for dummies for instance. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't go to college. I'm learning this as I go,
Speaker 1: and my mom would always tell me figure it out.
Speaker 1: I figured out everything, how to deposit a check, how
Speaker 1: to just everything, and that's where I think it started. Now,
Speaker 1: let's talk and fast forward to my career. When I
Speaker 1: started my career in twenty fourteen, Oh my gosh, not
Speaker 1: only did the world hate me, or it felt like
Speaker 1: the world hated me half of twenty twelve and all
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. After my mom passed away, I just
Speaker 1: knew I had to do something. I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to sing. I know, I've wanted to sing for
Speaker 1: a long time, something that I've wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: I don't like to live again with the like what if.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I have to do this and
Speaker 1: I need to work. But imagine the world is against you.
Speaker 1: You're against yourself in some ways because you're upset at
Speaker 1: the world that it's like, oh my god, everything is
Speaker 1: going wrong and people are talking shit, and like I
Speaker 1: want to clear my name, and like I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do everything I have to do to
Speaker 1: clear my name. So that's when we wrote the book,
Speaker 1: beredon Forgiveness. If you haven't read it, go read. It's
Speaker 1: my whole life story kind of. But anyways, then I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I need to work. I need to work.
Speaker 1: I need to be example for my siblings. But I
Speaker 1: had never really sang maybe three times in my whole
Speaker 1: life in front of like a crowd. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but I knew, like in the back of my mind,
Speaker 1: I knew that I was going to be compared to
Speaker 1: my mom and that I don't know, and so many
Speaker 1: opportunities opened up for me, I think in the beginning,
Speaker 1: because of course I was I am Jenny Rivera's daughter,
Speaker 1: and you know, people wanted to see what I could do.
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of criticism. I can look
Speaker 1: back and say, Okay, I wasn't ready, but I know
Speaker 1: I had something. I knew I knew about music, and
Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to create it and I
Speaker 1: had it in me. I just feel like a lot
Speaker 1: of the negative comments really just suppressed me. But even
Speaker 1: before that happened, this is where imposter syndrome comes in,
Speaker 1: where you think, oh, I'm not going to be as
Speaker 1: good as that person, or damn what if they find
Speaker 1: out like I really don't know anything. Like you start
Speaker 1: thinking all of these things and it stops you in
Speaker 1: your tracks and it paralyzes your growth. And I had
Speaker 1: all of that. You can move past it, because obviously
Speaker 1: I did. I was like, if this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do it. I'm going to try it. I guess you
Speaker 1: could say I faked it till I made it. I
Speaker 1: don't really like that quote too much because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like, you know, I'm not about that fig shit.
Speaker 1: But when I really think about it, I guess I
Speaker 1: had to. I guess I did because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. And not only that, it
Speaker 1: doesn't help when people talk so much crap, and you know,
Speaker 1: like you read these things and then you start thinking
Speaker 1: them and you start criticizing yourself, and it really does.
Speaker 1: It suppresses you. It suppresses you, and if you so
Speaker 1: allow that to happen more and more, you won't be
Speaker 1: able to reach your potential, your full potential. I think
Speaker 1: we can all definitely relate in one way or another,
Speaker 1: but I think it does have to do with building
Speaker 1: confidence and confidence in your craft, confidence in your artistry,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And in your career, knowledge is power.
Speaker 1: And I think the more I fed myself with knowledge,
Speaker 1: with performing more, with doing more in that space, I
Speaker 1: gain more confidence. Until like two years ago, guys where
Speaker 1: I was like f this Perril Milo, I keep saying
Speaker 1: that in all of my interviews, like I lost fear.
Speaker 1: I lost fear. I really lost the fear of I
Speaker 1: don't care what people say. I know who I am.
Speaker 1: I like myself. I stop wanting for everyone to like me.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it's fine. I love that people
Speaker 1: like me, and it's okay if people don't like me,
Speaker 1: it's part of it. And I think I just started
Speaker 1: wanting to grow in my craft and take my classes
Speaker 1: and wanting to get better that I gain this confidence
Speaker 1: that I'm like, no matter what, I know that I'm
Speaker 1: meant to do this. I know that I'm meant to
Speaker 1: be here, so f the haters, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 1: thing and I'm going to get better at it. And
Speaker 1: that's where I think it's like, not even like confidence.
Speaker 1: From the outside looking in, I look like a pretty
Speaker 1: confident person, especially when I I had no other choice.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta fucking do this. But then
Speaker 1: when I really started healing and feeding the internal side
Speaker 1: of my confidence and really like learning more and more
Speaker 1: about what I was doing, I felt more confident and
Speaker 1: I walked more confident into rooms, and not only with
Speaker 1: my career, like as far as singing, but also in business.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like knowing what you're talking about, like
Speaker 1: really just diving into it. It just gives you a
Speaker 1: different type of confidence. So even if people are talking shit,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even phase you because you're like, I know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, I know what I'm doing, like
Speaker 1: it just it changes everything. So definitely, I do think
Speaker 1: that the imposter syndrome starts with feeling insecure. It's our insecurities.
Speaker 1: We all have them, especially because we're always so worried
Speaker 1: about what are people going to think? What are they
Speaker 1: going to say? And I think once we start just
Speaker 1: healing that and like not really giving an f it
Speaker 1: changes everything for you. And that's from personal experience and
Speaker 1: if I can be honest the way I'm always honest
Speaker 1: with you guys, I have said no to opportunities because
Speaker 1: I felt like I wasn't good enough or I felt
Speaker 1: like I didn't have it in me. I think the
Speaker 1: first time that I was invited to host a red carpet,
Speaker 1: like actually like not only like walk the red carpet,
Speaker 1: but I was going to host and interview other people.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, like this is like I
Speaker 1: think in twenty fifteen, and I said no, and they
Speaker 1: were going to pay me for my time and they
Speaker 1: were going to give me a budget. It was like
Speaker 1: a very good opportunity. But I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: my Spanish isn't as good as I want it to be.
Speaker 1: And I just was like, I really talked myself out
Speaker 1: of it. And I don't necessarily regret that decision because
Speaker 1: it gave me some time to really say, Okay, now
Speaker 1: I really want to do it, and I was able
Speaker 1: to host like a whole freaking show. I was able
Speaker 1: to host PJS with two other people because I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta do this. I have to prove to myself
Speaker 1: that I can do this. But I did and I
Speaker 1: let that opportunity go. And it was like also a
Speaker 1: financial dent because I said no, And it was because
Speaker 1: of fear. I was like, no, people are going to
Speaker 1: talk crap and this and that, and I learned that
Speaker 1: you don't have to say yes to every opportunity. It's
Speaker 1: not necessary and it's okay to say no. I think
Speaker 1: that's you know again, We've talked about it here on
Speaker 1: the podcast, like the power of that small little word no.
Speaker 1: But in that situation, I'm like, shit, Like I would
Speaker 1: have I think, advanced a little faster in my career
Speaker 1: if I would have just given myself that opportunity and
Speaker 1: not let my insecurities stop me. You know, the way
Speaker 1: I got over it was just by doing it. I
Speaker 1: kind of like merete, which means I challenged myself. I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, next time that opportunity comes, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take it. So I put it out there, I
Speaker 1: put it in the universe. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do it, even if I'm scared. I'm going to
Speaker 1: face fear in the face and I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to back down. And all I have
Speaker 1: to do is make sure I read my lines and
Speaker 1: I practice and I put my right foot forward and
Speaker 1: know that even if I stumble a little bit, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Everyone has done it. And it's kind of like yes,
Speaker 1: giving myself a pep talk and really just allowing myself
Speaker 1: to open that door, to not only open it, but
Speaker 1: to walk through it. And I have found myself a
Speaker 1: lot since then where I'm like, Okay, if this opportunity
Speaker 1: feels right to me, then I'm going to have peace
Speaker 1: with it. If I don't have peace with it, then
Speaker 1: it's to no. But if I have peace with it
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say no just because out of fear,
Speaker 1: then I'm doing myself a disservice. So it does take
Speaker 1: some pep talk. It does take things therapy. Therapy has
Speaker 1: helped me a lot. My life. Coaching has helped me
Speaker 1: so much. I started my life coaching in like twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and I don't do it as much as I used to,
Speaker 1: but when I feel like I need a little tune up,
Speaker 1: I definitely do it. I think it's it's for sure
Speaker 1: a part of my life for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: My life coaching, it goes hand in hand with therapy.
Speaker 1: But I do have to say I'm gonna do it
Speaker 1: with fear. It's okay, Like we're not going to be
Speaker 1: perfect right off the bat or the first time we
Speaker 1: try it, and that is okay. Like I suffer from
Speaker 1: wanting to be a perfectionist and I'm like, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it, I want to do it right. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I also have to give myself grace to say, okay,
Speaker 1: is my first time doing something. I'm gonna make some mistakes,
Speaker 1: and it's okay to ask questions. For a long time,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not asking questions. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: ask questions because it's gonna make me look dumb, like
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about. Like now I
Speaker 1: don't care. It could be anywhere, and I'll ask a
Speaker 1: question like, oh, I'm so sorry, I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Can you repeat that? Like, It's okay to ask questions
Speaker 1: and to just be vulnerable enough to say I don't
Speaker 1: know everything. That's part of learning is asking questions and
Speaker 1: wanting to grow in whatever it is that you're working towards.
Speaker 1: Like you have to ask questions. I think when you
Speaker 1: get to the point in your life where you're like,
Speaker 1: I know it all, I'm great, I this and that, like,
Speaker 1: then you stop yourself from growing from like knowing more
Speaker 1: because you feel like, oh, yellow setolo, I know it all. No,
Speaker 1: we don't. There's always room to grow, there's always room
Speaker 1: to improve, and being humble enough to accept that it
Speaker 1: really just opens up your horizons. So that's what I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, next time this opportunity comes around, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying no, I'm going to freaking do it because
Speaker 1: I know this is what I want to do and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let fear stop me. And that's what
Speaker 1: we did, you know, hey, And I feel like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like this gets better. It definitely gets better
Speaker 1: with age. I think it's knowing who you are, where
Speaker 1: you're going, what your intentions are in life, what change
Speaker 1: you want to make in life, how you want to
Speaker 1: help others, Like it just all comes together and it's
Speaker 1: part of maturing, a part of spiritually like maturing as well,
Speaker 1: that like that imposter syndrome goes away, like it just
Speaker 1: you don't care, Like you just become so like confident
Speaker 1: in who you are that even if you make a
Speaker 1: mistake in what you do, you're fine because you love
Speaker 1: who you are. And this is one thing that my
Speaker 1: life coach told me, what I do is not who
Speaker 1: I am, you know, It's like it's not Sometimes people
Speaker 1: are like they have this like fake confidence, which probably
Speaker 1: is what I had in the beginning of my career
Speaker 1: where it's like you kind of like fluff yourself up,
Speaker 1: but in reality, when you're in your room by yourself,
Speaker 1: you're like shit, like did I do a good job?
Speaker 1: You start questioning yourself and you need people's approval and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And like with age, I feel like
Speaker 1: personally and I did the work, I don't care like
Speaker 1: I do it out of love. Everything that I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I do it. I have love. I do it because
Speaker 1: I want to change people's lives. And I'm not perfect,
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with making mistakes because I know that
Speaker 1: my intentions are in the right place. I know that
Speaker 1: my heart is in the right place, and that just
Speaker 1: changed everything for me, Like knowing my purpose, knowing like
Speaker 1: what I want to leave in this world has really
Speaker 1: really just changed the game for me. But it comes
Speaker 1: with spiritual mental, physical maturity like experiences and also being
Speaker 1: honest with yourself. I think being vulnerable with yourself with
Speaker 1: others gives you a lot of power, a lot of strength,
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. You have to be able to
Speaker 1: like remove like an onion, those layers of the fake funk,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean of fluffed up confidence. It's
Speaker 1: like really getting to the core of things that will
Speaker 1: really help strengthen your insecurities to overcome them. And to
Speaker 1: wrap up, guys, because I know this has been a
Speaker 1: little lengthy, but hopefully some of this stuff, if not
Speaker 1: all of it, has sunken and I've planted seed in
Speaker 1: your heart and in your mind. I want to say
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to be able to
Speaker 1: say that I am proud of myself, that I'm proud
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing, that I like myself very much,
Speaker 1: that I love myself no matter what. It took a while,
Speaker 1: and it took a lot of work, but I don't
Speaker 1: regret anything that has happened in my life. And that
Speaker 1: might sound a little crazy because a lot of really
Speaker 1: bad things have happened, but I feel like it all
Speaker 1: has brought me to this point. And I usually don't
Speaker 1: like to talk about the haters, you know, but it
Speaker 1: is very much part of our life, and it's the truth,
Speaker 1: and it's what's happening, especially with social media, and like
Speaker 1: people just feel so confident to just talk crap. But
Speaker 1: I've had to face a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 1: of people that I know for sure have said that
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to make it that I did not
Speaker 1: have the talent, even to the young cheekies as well.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to her too. An ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: that said, you're not gonna make it without me, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, and I'm not gonna lie. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought when he said that, I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: what if I don't? And all I want to say
Speaker 1: is thank you, even little cheeky's, even the ex boyfriend
Speaker 1: and the people that have tat crap in the industry
Speaker 1: that now I smile and just say hi to them.
Speaker 1: It's happened so much. Guys, now they're nice to me.
Speaker 1: Now they believe in me, and I'm grateful. I'm grateful,
Speaker 1: and I'm not the type of person to say I
Speaker 1: told you so, but I just want to say thank
Speaker 1: you because it helped me work harder. I made myself
Speaker 1: work harder when I was thinking those negative things and
Speaker 1: letting those toxic voices sink into my heart and into
Speaker 1: my soul and into my mind. I didn't let that
Speaker 1: stop me, and I kept going and here we are now,
Speaker 1: and I can honestly say that I am so proud
Speaker 1: of what we've been able to accomplish. And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to do without my team. I can't say
Speaker 1: that everything that I've acomplish it is because of me. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have my talents, I do my job, I work hard,
Speaker 1: but I do have an amazing team that has helped
Speaker 1: me and supported me, and I'm grateful. I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you because instead of us being mad
Speaker 1: and talking shit to those people that have talked shit
Speaker 1: about us or to us, or have said negative things
Speaker 1: and sent us negative energy, instead of being upset and
Speaker 1: fighting back, I just smile. Mostly that I know of,
Speaker 1: mostly all men that have said, oh, yeah, she's not
Speaker 1: gonna make it, she's this, she's that, And now I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: now you play my music on the radio. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now you not need something for me, because it's not
Speaker 1: like that now. It's like we're helping each other, you know.
Speaker 1: And it feels good to change people's mind and change
Speaker 1: people's heart towards me, because it's happened a lot, and
Speaker 1: it's all because I didn't give up. It's all because
Speaker 1: I didn't let that imposter syndrome stop me and paralyze
Speaker 1: me from my growth and from what I was meant
Speaker 1: to accomplish. So thank you. I'm grateful. I'm happy. I
Speaker 1: get asked this question a lot, like what would you
Speaker 1: tell fifteen year old Cheeky's or little Cheeky's, And you
Speaker 1: know what, it's crazy because I can think of moments
Speaker 1: in my life, like when I was eight years old,
Speaker 1: ten years old that little Cheeky's. I would tell her,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to speak up because I feel like
Speaker 1: I was suppressed because of things that were happening in
Speaker 1: my life, you know, and I didn't speak up enough.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk. I was so afraid to speak. I
Speaker 1: was so afraid to say anything. And I would tell her,
Speaker 1: definitely Cheeky's from like fourteen sixteen, those around there. I'd
Speaker 1: probably tell myself. I'd tell little Cheeky's, be more honest,
Speaker 1: be more honest. Stop trying to seek people's approval and
Speaker 1: doing things to make other people happy, to make other
Speaker 1: people proud of you. And I think that went all
Speaker 1: the way to like almost through almost all my twenties. Guys,
Speaker 1: that feeling of people pleasing, of needing that approval and
Speaker 1: not wanting to disappoint people. I wasn't being true to myself.
Speaker 1: I wasn't being honest with myself, and not because I
Speaker 1: was spreading lies. It wasn't even that. It's more of
Speaker 1: like just speak your truth, be okay, be unapologetically yourself.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I lost so much time and
Speaker 1: energy and I cried so much because I always wanted
Speaker 1: to do this people pleasing thing and it was just
Speaker 1: a vicious cycle and it just took me down roads
Speaker 1: that I had no business going down, Like I could
Speaker 1: have avoided myself a lot of problems if I stood
Speaker 1: more in my power, and that didn't come until like
Speaker 1: my thirties. So I forgive the little cheekies. It's part
Speaker 1: of growing. It's part of maturing and learning and stepping
Speaker 1: into your own I know it's all part of it.
Speaker 1: But when I look back and I think of all
Speaker 1: those seasons in my life and those ages, I think,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, how can I prevent my child from
Speaker 1: going through that? Like I want to be able to
Speaker 1: and still that not only like how I do it
Speaker 1: with you guys. You know, I speak to you guys
Speaker 1: like I want to be able to do this with
Speaker 1: my own child, Like I want to like raise the
Speaker 1: super child guys, because I've been through so much that
Speaker 1: I'm like, how can I help my child of course,
Speaker 1: they're going to go through their own things, and I
Speaker 1: just want to be able to help them navigate through it.
Speaker 1: But it's also doing all of this. This is part
Speaker 1: of my calling, guys, is doing these types of things
Speaker 1: and speaking to you guys and being honest with my
Speaker 1: experiences and the mistakes that I've made. And that's why
Speaker 1: I feel that it's important to have these conversations. And
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for my podcast and for all of
Speaker 1: my listeners that you guys take the time to like
Speaker 1: press play and listen to me, because I promise you that,
Speaker 1: in my heart of hearts, I just want to leave
Speaker 1: people places better than they were when I got there.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to plant seeds in your
Speaker 1: guys's hearts and in your mind so that you guys
Speaker 1: can flourish into your best selves. And if I can
Speaker 1: prevent you guys from making those mistakes, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: going to do. And I don't know where I just went,
Speaker 1: but I was just speaking for my heart right now.
Speaker 1: I was like looking outside my window and like looking
Speaker 1: at the trees, and I just felt so inspired to
Speaker 1: say this because I was thinking of like the little
Speaker 1: cheekis and everything So anyways, that's the episode. All these
Speaker 1: things that I talked about. But that's what I love
Speaker 1: about my podcast. And if it wasn't for you guys
Speaker 1: listening every week and coming back and sharing the podcast,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a podcast. So I know that this
Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible without you, guys. So just know the
Speaker 1: way I inspire you, guys, you inspire me to keep
Speaker 1: on going. So I appreciate it. I'm grateful, and yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go out there and you know, spread the love,
Speaker 1: radiate love, and radiate knowledge, because that's what it's all about, guys.
Speaker 1: That's the only way we're gonna be able to get
Speaker 1: through this life is by having these conversations, these sometimes
Speaker 1: uncomfortable things that we think, Oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: never want to share this, I never want people to
Speaker 1: know this. Yeah, but like when you bring things to light, guys,
Speaker 1: like it helps you grow, You get feedback, like it's
Speaker 1: just it's beautiful. And again that comes with age. That
Speaker 1: comes with time. So be patient with yourself, trust the process,
Speaker 1: be patient, be compassionate, love yourself through those hard times.
Speaker 1: With that being said, that is the you know, that's
Speaker 1: how we're gonna conclude this amazing episode. I hope that
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed it. I am so. I can't thank
Speaker 1: you guys enough for being here, and I will have
Speaker 1: another amazing episode for you next week. Okay, so come
Speaker 1: back next week. I will be waiting. I love you,
Speaker 1: and yeah, have a great week, have a great day. Okay, Gus,
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