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Speaker 1: What up, y'all? Hello, Hello, I hope you're having a

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Speaker 1: beautiful day. Welcome to Cheeky's and Chill. I have a

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Speaker 1: question for you. Have you gotten an opportunity or a

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Speaker 1: in those situations? I know I have, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have too. There's a chance you may have even

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Speaker 1: experienced something called imposter syndrome. And that's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about on today's episode, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: something a lot of people can relate to. According to WebMD,

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Speaker 1: imposter syndrome is when you feel like you're not as

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Speaker 1: talented or capable as others think you are, and you

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Speaker 1: become scared that others will find out. So we're going

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Speaker 1: some examples, guys, because I definitely have dealt with imposter syndrome,

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Speaker 1: especially in the earlier years of my career, maybe even

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Speaker 1: when I started business, because being an entrepreneur was like

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Speaker 1: my first love. I started a lot of businesses for

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Speaker 1: my mom and with my mom, and I would always think,

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Speaker 1: why I just have high school education. It's all. I

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to college to get like a business

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to let myself down. I had to

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Speaker 1: But I knew that I would do it more, not

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Speaker 1: to make her proud. And that's also not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I learned that later on in my life. But I

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Speaker 1: well what experience do you have to go and start

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Speaker 1: beauty industry since I was young. But thank god, I

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Speaker 1: learned as I went and I would always buy those books.

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Speaker 1: I'd go to Barnes and Noble and read the dummy books,

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Speaker 1: the you know, business for dummies, for instance. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't go to college. I'm learning this as I go,

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Speaker 1: and my mom would always tell me figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I figured out everything, how to deposit a check, how

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Speaker 1: to just everything, And that's where I think it started. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's talk and fast forward to my career. When I

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Speaker 1: knew I had to do something. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: But imagine the world is against you. You're against yourself

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Speaker 1: So that's when we wrote the book beredon Forgiveness. If

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Speaker 1: you haven't read it, go read it. It's my whole life

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Speaker 1: of course I was I am Jenny Rivera's daughter, and

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Speaker 1: It suppresses you. It suppresses you, and if you so

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Speaker 1: able to reach your potential, your full potential. I think

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and in your career, knowledge is power.

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Speaker 1: And I think the more I fed myself with knowledge,

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Speaker 1: saying that in all of my interviews, like I lost fear.

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Speaker 1: helped me a lot. My life. Coaching has helped me

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Speaker 1: so much. I started my life coaching in like twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: My life coaching, it goes hand in hand with therapy.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to say I'm gonna do it

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Speaker 1: with fear. It's okay, Like we're not going to be

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