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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chadmllman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,

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Speaker 1: Mike Campadre, my bff professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello, so I'm in.

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Speaker 3: Hello Chad, Am. I supposed to let you talk about

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Speaker 3: Williams for about five minutes before I throw some cold

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Speaker 3: water on it. What do you want to do here?

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Speaker 1: Let me teks, you don't need to throw cold water

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Speaker 1: on it. I had a very urgent phone call today

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Speaker 1: from my buddy Matt. Everybody knows my buddy Matt. We

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Speaker 1: have been Bears fans together from the time we were

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Speaker 1: in the cradle going his games with his family.

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Speaker 2: They had season.

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Speaker 1: Tickets every two days. Part of our conversation is about

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Speaker 1: the Bears. I'm walking into the office, he calls me.

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Speaker 1: He goes, do you really think the Bears are not

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Speaker 1: going to go over their season win total? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I have the Bears as a seven win team at best.

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Speaker 1: The expectations are too high. I don't care what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing in preseason that is not regular season They're in

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Speaker 1: a hard division against two very good teams in a

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Speaker 1: hard conference.

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Speaker 2: With really good rosters.

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Speaker 1: This is not a team we are going to get

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Speaker 1: over excited about. I am not investing in the Bears

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Speaker 1: over season win total. I threw the cold water all

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Speaker 1: on my own sign.

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Speaker 3: That's no fun. But no, that was exciting. Come on, now,

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Speaker 3: that was amazing him doing Mahomes things.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Bears fans were going crazy. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, I told you, my biggest fear with him

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Speaker 3: right now is just the coaching, Like, that's the fear.

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Speaker 3: And they started the game zero for three, three straight,

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Speaker 3: three straight three and outs, and it didn't start working

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Speaker 3: until he started improvising. So yeah, that's that's the fear

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Speaker 3: right now. Right That's that's the big questions with Williams.

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Speaker 1: Nobody has sold on Ibra Flues, nobody has sold on

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Speaker 1: Shane Waldron.

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Speaker 2: It felt like.

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Speaker 1: Not inspired higher when you're investing as much as you

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Speaker 1: are in Caleb Williams and in this offense. And you

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Speaker 1: mentioned the play calling. Look, we're not gonna dissect preseason

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Speaker 1: game play calling, but I will say in the first

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Speaker 1: series he had against the bills. It was so easy

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Speaker 1: to say, we've got a third and short. Why didn't

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Speaker 1: you just run a slant to Keenan Allen And yet

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Speaker 1: they were trying to have him drop back send receivers

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Speaker 1: far down field. It made no sense. I am hopeful,

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Speaker 1: hopeful that they will start to see what everybody else

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Speaker 1: is seeing.

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Speaker 2: Make the easy calls.

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Speaker 1: It is not that hard to let this guy succeed

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Speaker 1: because he is so talented. Just make the calls that

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Speaker 1: are going to put him in a position to succeed.

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Speaker 2: Simon.

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Speaker 1: For today's pen ultimate installment of our annual NFL Division

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Speaker 1: Preview series, we are discussing the AFC West and we

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Speaker 1: are joined by my always antagonist, my always sad he

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Speaker 1: left us, yet still relieved he left us, Mister Matthew Friedman,

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Speaker 1: one of the dynamos at Matthew Berry's Fantasy Life.

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Speaker 2: Freedman.

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Speaker 1: We had a little cast before the show began, and

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Speaker 1: it must have felt like home to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, it's good to be back on the show

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Speaker 4: with you too. I will say with the Caleb Williams

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Speaker 4: stuff looks awesome. I totally agree about any I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to come up with the

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Speaker 4: right word to describe the coaching staff, but they are

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Speaker 4: using it's just preseason. They are using more two tight

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Speaker 4: in sets than anyone else in the league. And one

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Speaker 4: of the best things about the Bears is that they

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Speaker 4: have three really good wide receivers. Why would you use

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Speaker 4: have three really good wide receivers. So we just have

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Speaker 4: to see what this looks like in the regular season.

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Speaker 4: But the coaching staff could very well leave something to

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Speaker 1: Matthew Friedman the only man in sports media who could

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the AFC West. I have

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Speaker 1: been saying this for every division preview. In nineteen of

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Speaker 1: the past twenty one seasons, an NFL team has gone

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Speaker 1: from worst to first in its division. Last year, the

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Speaker 1: AFC West was won by the Kansas City Chiefs in

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Speaker 1: last place, don't forget in last place, Los Angeles Chargers.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it's going to happen, but boy,

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Speaker 1: you've got a Justin Herbert who hopefully will be healthy.

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Speaker 1: A Jim Harbaugh revamped offensive line offensive scheme for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into it, for sure. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: to see what Friedman and Simon have to say if

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Speaker 1: this is the year the Chiefs don't dominate the AFC West.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Chiefs five to one to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, minus two thirty to win the division. Eleven

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Speaker 1: and a half is the season win total. Reminder four

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Speaker 1: purposes of this, we are looking at strength of schedule.

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Speaker 1: foundational success. Chiefs A line is top five. Right d

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Speaker 1: line is fourteen, only one of only two teams whose

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Speaker 1: guards are both righted in the top fifteen according to

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. That's Joe Toney and Trey Smith. They

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Speaker 1: were nine to ten. Creed Humphrey was fourth overall. Tackles

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Speaker 1: listens to the favorites can remember David Bachtiari just naming

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Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor as ruining it for everybody for the way

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Speaker 2: Freeman. Since you're the guest, we'll start with you. So

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Speaker 2: what would you little maniacs like to do?

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Speaker 5: First?

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Speaker 4: Is it the most boring thing ever? Just to say, like,

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Speaker 4: each year, as long as the Chiefs aren't any longer

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Speaker 4: them to win the Super Bowl. Like Patrick Mahomes anytime

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Speaker 4: maybe bet on pack Mahomes to win MVP. I mean,

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Speaker 4: last year was the golden opportunity for someone to steal

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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl in the Mahomes era, and they didn't

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Speaker 4: do it. This team is going to be better on offense,

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Speaker 4: a little bit worse on defense, but defense is volatile

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Speaker 4: I don't think it would be it would shock anyone,

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Speaker 4: Like five to one. I'm not saying, like go bet it,

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Speaker 4: but like that's the line to where if it's five

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Speaker 4: probably make money over the next ten years.

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Speaker 3: Simon, I mean, we're gonna the other team's just division,

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Speaker 4: Chat.

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Speaker 3: It's it's business as usual, right. You have the best

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Speaker 3: rest of the team is much better than they were

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Speaker 3: last year. I mean, we all feel so much more

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Speaker 3: the Chargers, they would give a run for their money

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Speaker 3: last year, and they completely fell apart. Chat. So that

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Speaker 3: But now here we are, Chat, there is no weakness.

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Speaker 3: I already told you this is a team that I've

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Speaker 3: the Eagles and the Lions and Super Bowl futures. It's like,

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Speaker 3: you like doing what I like doing, betting divisional teams together,

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Speaker 3: who's gonna win their division? This is gonna be everyone's

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Speaker 3: anchor team. Like everyone's gonna throw this team in the

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Speaker 3: end of their parlays, right, They're gonna throw them with

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Speaker 3: and the forty nine ers, Like, this is the team

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Speaker 3: just because in what world do they not win it?

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Speaker 3: Even if he goes down it is Carson Wentz right,

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Speaker 3: Do we still we're gonna talk to these other teams?

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Speaker 3: Do we still have any faith in these other teams

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Speaker 3: to get the ten wins? It's hard to see it

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Speaker 3: right where this team they're just so complete, I mean

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Speaker 3: even defensively. We even really talked about but Spags is

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Speaker 3: again when he needs to be that guy, he really is.

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Speaker 3: So it's just it's unfair. Not only do they have

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Speaker 3: the offense and defensive side. It's just it's the perfect thing.

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Speaker 3: So I think Freeman nailed it. It's like we were

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Speaker 3: going through different errors right now we're in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the Mahomes era and we all know it, like

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Speaker 3: we're seeing something so special, so unique, and you just

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Speaker 3: you can't. You can fight it all you want, but

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't fight it with my money. It's like, just

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Speaker 3: just bet them at minus two hundred division, bet them

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Speaker 3: the over win total. But yeah, it's it's it's sadly

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Speaker 3: is a boring division this year. Chat, I just can't

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Speaker 3: go any other way.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so interesting, right because they're been a few

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Speaker 1: years in the past where we have wanted to fade

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Speaker 1: think they had the receivers they needed, they were rebuilding

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Speaker 1: their offensive line. But Mahomes is so good and elevates

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Speaker 1: so much of that offense. Then it kind of doesn't

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Speaker 3: Simon, Yeah, I totally agree with all that.

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Speaker 1: Like when we all agree we're ready to move on

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Speaker 1: Freeman's got to come in over the top or right. Sure,

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think that's accurate.

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Speaker 2: Look at that, Simon, you were laughing at me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if Andy Reid wins six Super Bowls with

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Speaker 4: Look, Belichick, Belichick is already out there. He's like retired,

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Speaker 1: Listen, you say Bill Belichick had that win against the Rams.

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Speaker 2: According to the.

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Speaker 1: this is a middling team right now. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: Their d line rank has really drops twenty second. According

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Speaker 1: He came on before you did. He said he loved

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Speaker 4: All right, Chad, I don't know if you remember last

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Speaker 5: Just the way it feels. I mean, it feels like

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Speaker 4: There are very few teams that have that type of

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that about that being too long.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing I love more Chadan, two guys loving the

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Speaker 3: So to me, this team it's gonna be bad, especially

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that, but the Broncos are

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Speaker 1: Maybe with the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: What he has done, whether it was San Diego or Stanford,

437
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Speaker 1: or the Niners or Michigan, there's a true belief that

438
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Speaker 1: he's a guy who can make people elevate their play

439
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Speaker 1: through scheme and through support and through positioning, that they're

440
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Speaker 1: automatically going to be better. And I think that's what

441
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are banking on is sort of

442
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Speaker 1: the mythology of Jim Harbaugh. They have tried to improve

443
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Speaker 1: their offensive line, they have brought in Greg Roman. They

444
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Speaker 1: are favored in ten games this year. A team that

445
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Speaker 1: came in last in the AFC West is favored in

446
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Speaker 1: ten different games this year. That's how easy their schedule is.

447
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Speaker 1: So you kind of have to believe that this is

448
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Speaker 1: a team of at least decent quality with a top

449
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Speaker 1: five quarterback. And I think we all agree he is

450
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Speaker 1: a good quarterback. We're not denying that.

451
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Speaker 2: You gotta believe.

452
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Speaker 3: I think he's an inconsistent quarterback that's never won a

453
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Speaker 3: playoff game.

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Speaker 2: Well, Matthew Freeman's Peyton Manning disagrees with.

455
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Speaker 3: You, and they probably have the same agent. I mean,

456
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Speaker 3: it was just an Outlandis comment. It's just I didn't

457
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Speaker 3: want to go into it. Because I was just like,

458
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Speaker 3: come on, Peyton, you're better than this. But no, I again,

459
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Speaker 3: this is what people love, the idea of Herbert rather

460
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Speaker 3: than the results of Herbert. And that's the toughest thing

461
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Speaker 3: because it's like, oh, just throw it out there. Wins

462
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Speaker 3: are not a QB stat all right, No one's saying

463
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Speaker 3: it is. But it's like in his draft alone, Joe

464
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Speaker 3: Burrow has done something, Jalen Hurts has done something right.

465
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Speaker 3: Jordan Love in one year has done more than we've

466
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Speaker 3: seen in six years of Herbert being a starter. So

467
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Speaker 3: it's just it's just tough for me to get there.

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Speaker 2: Brother Bridman, I can't believe he's coming after you like that.

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Speaker 4: Whatever, Chad, I'm I mean, it pains me to say this.

470
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Speaker 4: I am aligned with you on this and the wind

471
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Speaker 4: totals specifically.

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Speaker 3: Is I just want to be Freeman. You know you

473
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Speaker 3: don't want to be there.

474
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Speaker 4: I'll be there. Nine point seven is where I have

475
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Speaker 4: this projected. Wow, you know eight and a half is

476
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Speaker 4: the total there. So this is one of the few

477
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Speaker 4: wind totals that I don't mind betting the over on.

478
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Speaker 4: I think normally win totals that's where I want to

479
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Speaker 4: be taking unders, and if I like a team, I

480
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: want to be betting on them to win the Super Bowl,

481
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Speaker 4: win Division, things like that. But there's such a large

482
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Speaker 4: discrepancy here between where this line is and where I

483
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Speaker 4: have my projection that I don't mind betting this in

484
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Speaker 4: the wind total market as well.

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Speaker 1: I've changed my mind. I'm all over the under. I'm

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Speaker 1: anti I'm anti Herbert on this right now, Let's get

487
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Speaker 1: to the to the Las Vegas Raiders here, okay, because

488
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Speaker 1: they're fascinating to me and like it's a team where.

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Speaker 2: They sided.

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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew is going to be their starting quarterback, and

491
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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the strength to schedule and

492
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, but we that is breaking

493
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Speaker 1: news and we're dedicated to the news here. So Friedman,

494
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Speaker 1: give me your take on Gardner Minshew as the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback over Aiden O'Connell for the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would say it almost doesn't matter. It

497
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Speaker 4: had to be Gardner Minshew, but this is the worst

498
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Speaker 4: quarterback duo in the league, and so it almost didn't

499
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Speaker 4: matter who was the starting quarterback. I think this is

500
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Speaker 4: going to be a really uninspiring offense, and I absolutely

501
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Speaker 4: love the under of six and a half on the

502
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Speaker 4: win total, and I will say, you know, you know,

503
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Speaker 4: look around at different books for this, but six and

504
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Speaker 4: a half, I think that number should be like five

505
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Speaker 4: and a half. Really, I think this is going to

506
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Speaker 4: be such a bad team. But I will see. I

507
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: think the offense is going to be funneled pretty exclusively

508
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Speaker 4: through DeVante Adams, and so if you look at the

509
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Speaker 4: prop market for him, one thousand point five is his

510
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Speaker 4: prop number, I think that's too low, even though he's

511
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Speaker 4: you know, aging going to be thirty two this year.

512
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Speaker 4: I think he gets a ton of targets and goes

513
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Speaker 4: over that number for you know, like the fifth time

514
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Speaker 4: in the past five years, and then Zamir White over

515
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Speaker 4: seven hundred seventy five point five rushing yards. I think

516
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Speaker 4: he smashes that because I think it's going to be

517
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Speaker 4: an offense that whether they're throwing, it's DeVante Adams and

518
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Speaker 4: then they're running a lot and Zamir White gets a

519
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Speaker 4: lot of that action. Because I do not believe in

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Speaker 4: Alexander Madison.

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Speaker 2: Alexander Madison, I love that name.

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Speaker 1: The strength to schedule for this team, by the way,

523
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Speaker 1: ninth Hardest plays to the idea that maybe you need

524
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Speaker 1: to look at their under with Gardner Minshew as quarterback.

525
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Speaker 1: I do think look like last year, there's so much

526
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Speaker 1: hype about Gardner Minshew and what he did with the Colts.

527
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew is more like the guy who played with

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars inconsistently to me than he is the guy

529
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Speaker 1: who was a savior for the Colts last year, playing

530
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Speaker 1: in Shane Steichen's offense, who put him in so many

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Speaker 1: positions to succeed. Simon, you clearly loved the Raiders a

532
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Speaker 1: second ago when I brought up Gardner Minshew, like I said,

533
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Speaker 1: strength to schedule ninth artist nineteen is their offensive line

534
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Speaker 1: rank top ten defensive line largely because of Max Crosby,

535
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Speaker 1: So it's about Gardner Minshew. Do they get over six

536
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Speaker 1: and a half with Gardner Minshew?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I love this team. That's some one of my favorite

539
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: sleeper teams of the year, and it's just simply because

540
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Speaker 3: people have so much doubt with this team where they're

541
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Speaker 3: not looking at they're only real weak to me on

542
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Speaker 3: this team is their quarnerback position. It's like the Colts.

543
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: The Colts secondary chad is absolutely terrible, but we still

544
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: bet their upside. I still have the same feeling here

545
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Speaker 3: with this Raiders team. It's like, yeah, their secondary it's

546
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: an issue that to me is a big issue. But

547
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Speaker 3: this team, there's so much many people are going to

548
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Speaker 3: credit for. I know Chad's not a huge fan of Minshew.

549
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll never forget this summer. We're doing a

550
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Speaker 3: show and I said that if you sent Minshew thirty

551
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Speaker 3: five years back in the time and he played on

552
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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys, he too could win six Pro Bowls

553
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Speaker 3: and make zero All Pros. And Chad was disgusted in that.

554
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: He's like, no, only Troy Aikman can make six Pro

555
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: Bowls and zero All Pros behind the best team and

556
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Speaker 3: of all the nineties. So I just don't think you

557
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: understand how that Minshew's not as bad as pop perceived.

558
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Speaker 3: Like he's been on pace with guys like Trevor Lawrence

559
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: and his career stat numbers, Like he's just as good

560
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Speaker 3: as these guys who people build up. And it's just

561
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: because it's Minshew, Like I get where they're coming from.

562
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Speaker 3: Like you look at this guy on tape and he

563
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: doesn't look like an NFL starting quarterback. He's small, he's

564
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: quirky sometimes makes horrible reads. But lastually with the Colts,

565
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Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff wasn't his fault. I mean,

566
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Speaker 3: even going back to that last game, but they almost

567
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Speaker 3: speed Houston. He was one completion away on a fourth

568
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: down from them being in the scoring position to be Houston. Right,

569
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: he didn't make that running back drop that ball. That

570
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: was a good pass. It was a running back that

571
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 3: did drop it. So it's like, Minshew, yes, is he inconsistent?

572
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: I totally agree with that. But what you're failing to

573
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: see on this offense is this is going to be

574
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: an old school, twelve personnel offense with arguably one of

575
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Speaker 3: the most talented tight ends we've ever seen in the

576
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Speaker 3: history of football coming to the league in Brock Bowers. Like,

577
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Speaker 3: people don't understand when Nick Saban's talking about you, saying

578
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Speaker 3: he did there was only two players he feared playing

579
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Speaker 3: last year. One was Neighbors, who I already told Youoh,

580
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Neighbors. The next was Bowers, Like, he

581
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: can't believe how incredibly talented this kid is. And you

582
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: can run him in every way. You're gonna run him

583
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Speaker 3: at the fullback, you can split him out a tight end,

584
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Speaker 3: you can split him out at wide receiver, like this

585
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: kid is literally the future of the league his type

586
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Speaker 3: of playing style, like him and Sam Laporta. So to me,

587
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Speaker 3: they're already hitting on the nail on the head like

588
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: they're running twelve personnel. They're using brock Bowers in crazy positions.

589
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Speaker 3: I'm not even talking about Myers, the guy they took

590
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: last year, who who's another great tight end. And then

591
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: he mixed in the fact that the wide receiver position

592
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: is pretty strong. Their offensive line is better than people perceive.

593
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: I love this offense. Now defensively, check I can't believen

594
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: bring this up. They have Christian Wilkins, the best, one

595
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: of the best D tackles all football, came from Miami

596
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: and joined this team. Max Crosby plus seven hundred to

597
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: win Defensive Player of the Year. I love that bet.

598
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: Like I'm I am very very highvily invested in him

599
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Speaker 3: being Defensive Player of the Year just because he's never

600
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Speaker 3: had this before. He's never had a guy getting doubles

601
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Speaker 3: in the middle. Like, it's going to be insane watching

602
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Speaker 3: this D line now with that, with that kind of setup,

603
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Speaker 3: So I get the hesitation, like no one wants to

604
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Speaker 3: say they're putting, you know, five figures on Minshew and

605
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Speaker 3: the Raiders over win total. But I am like, I

606
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Speaker 3: love this team, and I think Pierce's Tomlin two point zero.

607
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: He's a motivated or of men. Like last year that

608
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 3: team should have fell apart, and he pulled them all

609
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Speaker 3: together and had some incredible wins down the stretch, and

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Speaker 3: I think that carries over this season. So this is

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Speaker 3: a team that, yeah, I think their second best in

612
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Speaker 3: this division right now, and I think Minshew is heavily,

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Speaker 3: heavily underrated by public perception. And there's that stat I

614
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Speaker 3: was looking for. Look at that graphic, Chad.

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Speaker 1: Let's all right, so we're getting super fancy in our

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Speaker 1: show here today. Gardner Minshew in his years as a

617
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback Versus Trevor Lawrence in his years as a

618
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback Friedman Gardner Minshew six point nine two yards

619
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Speaker 1: per attempt, Trevor Lawrence six point seventy three yards. Touchdowns,

620
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Speaker 1: touch on percentage four point two percent for Gardner Minshew,

621
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Speaker 1: three point three percent for Trevor Lawrence. QBR eighty nine

622
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Speaker 1: point three for Gardner Minshew, eighty five for Trevor Lawrence.

623
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Speaker 1: Interception percentage one point seven percent for Gardner Minshew, two

624
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Speaker 1: point two percent for Trevor Lawrence. Didn't Trevor Lawrence just

625
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Speaker 1: get like one hundred and fifty MILI guaranteed.

626
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Speaker 3: I think you got two hundred million, brother.

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Speaker 1: For basically mid as the kids say, mid stats and

628
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Speaker 1: the promise of potential because he's got pretty great hair

629
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Speaker 1: and a good arm and had one epic comeback against

630
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Speaker 1: the guy Simon Hunter doesn't even think is a very

631
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: good quarterback in Justin Herbert. And this guy's got a

632
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: bag because Doug Peterson is his coach, and Gardner Minshew

633
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Speaker 1: is bouncing around as a journeyman and he's got the

634
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Speaker 1: better stats as a starter than Trevor Lawrence.

635
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Speaker 4: Come on, Freeman, Yeah, what you're not saying is that

636
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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence, like for a third of his career stats

637
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: has the stink of Urban Meyer all over him.

638
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: That's not counting Urban Meyers. Year we threw that out,

639
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: you did, Yeah the last years? Look at that.

640
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: Oh so now I've now I've been dunked on. But

641
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: also twenty twenty three, Trevor Lawrence was injured, Like, I

642
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: think it's worth taking that into account. But yeah, Trevor

643
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: Lawrence has disappointed. That doesn't mean that Gardner Minshew is

644
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Speaker 4: the answer for the Raiders. Like part of this is

645
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 4: I have no faith in Luke Getzi as the offensive coordinator.

646
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Speaker 4: Like to what Simon said, they are going to think

647
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Speaker 4: about this. They are going to run a very antiquated

648
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Speaker 4: two tight end system. And even if you think that

649
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Speaker 4: brock Bauers is the future of the league, talking about, oh,

650
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: this guy so versatile, we can line him up at

651
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: full back, talking about that is almost the sign of like,

652
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this offense could be in big trouble.

653
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: If you're thinking of two tight ends as the solution

654
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 4: to a run heavy offense quarterbacked by Gardner Minshew like this,

655
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: this could be a massive disaster. If they win games,

656
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: they barely win games, and if they lose games, they

657
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: get absolutely boat raced with that kind of offense that

658
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 4: they have. And I know in the second half of

659
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: the season their defense looked a lot better, but like

660
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: they were also playing some pretty subpar quarterbacks for a

661
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: lot of that stretch, So I don't want to put

662
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: too much weight on like what could have been just

663
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 4: kind of like randomness in the second half of the season.

664
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: This is a bad team, Simon, a very bad team.

665
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: I guess Patrick Mahomes is just some random quarterback that

666
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: they beat on Christmas Day. That's the one game that's

667
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: a big game, though it sparked demand to win another

668
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

669
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: Well, look, this is where it gets interesting, right, Like

670
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: is it one game that was an anomaly? Is it

671
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: the one game that proves they of what they can

672
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: be with Antonio Pierce as coach.

673
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I did not look freeman.

674
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: I Chad hated this team two months ago. This is

675
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: a lot of work for me to try to spin

676
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: them here.

677
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: I did not know Simon was going to come this

678
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: strong on the Raiders. This was the first we've talked

679
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: about it. I'm shocked to get this feedback from him

680
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: right now. I'm shocked to hear these five figures and.

681
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 3: You see, we're you're going to do week one chat.

682
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: It's about to get real ross, real quick. Plus three

683
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: against the Chargers.

684
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Well, look, if they're on the road, I can take that.

685
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Or actually, if they're if they're the home dog.

686
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: No, no, they're on the road. Plus three, all right,

687
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: Well I'll talk.

688
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna find five games we life

689
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: better than that.

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: Game the Freedman. He makes a convincing case.

691
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: Does he don't? I don't think so. His case is, oh,

692
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: this two tight end offense is going to be awesome

693
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: based on what we might see out of a rookie

694
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: tight end that that.

695
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Never works, Simon.

696
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: He makes a case I'm bringing up because you never

697
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: even mentioned him. You're just talking about Devanta Adams. It's like, dude,

698
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: you're forgetting about Brock Bowers here first round pick. I

699
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 3: just I know you don't watch a lot of college football,

700
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 3: bro when this dude's that guy.

701
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: Look, look, look, I I know about Brock Bowers.

702
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: I hope he makes me a little nervous.

703
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 4: I didn't mention him because I don't think his prop

704
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: number is especially betible. But I did think that DeVante

705
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: Adam has a battable prop number.

706
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: That's fair.

707
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Can I interest anybody in the Chargers over eight and

708
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: a half?

709
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 4: Yes?

710
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: Take the ultimated line under six and a half. Chargers

711
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: people have fun with it.

712
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Now it's just Freeman. Now it just

713
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: feels like the personal again cooking. All right, So Simon

714
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: loves the Raiders. Honest to god, this is the first

715
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: I've heard you have this stronger opinion on the Raiders,

716
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: and it feels like one of the stronger opinions you've

717
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: had for any of the division previews that we've done.

718
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: So it makes me want to ask you right now,

719
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: in your sort of pantheon of futures bets season win

720
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: totals bets, where do the Raiders stand in terms of

721
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: the amount of money put down versus the other bets?

722
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I have I definitely have three times the

723
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: amount on the Chiefs to win this division. Like that's

724
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: definitely my biggest bet. I mean, that's just the safest.

725
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: I got no issue locking up my money for seven

726
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: months on the chief Yefs. It's that's a lot of

727
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: harder pill to swallow when you're talking the Raiders. And

728
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: like we said, Minshew, right, even though I'm getting the

729
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: guys back here, it's like everything Freeman said is true. Man,

730
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: the wheels could fall off this by week seven and

731
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: I look like an idiot, But I just love the

732
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 3: way this teams set up and how they're just being

733
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: doubted by everybody except the guys in Vegas. Like we

734
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 3: talked months ago, I told you don't take this under

735
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: because you were like talking about ticking their underwin told

736
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: and I said, listen, all the guys in Vegas I'm

737
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: talking to they love this team as a sleeper team.

738
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 3: And the more I've looked into, the more I've researched it,

739
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: it works out. It's like this team does have really

740
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: good pieces to their defense is not as bad as

741
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: people perceive them to be, even though I do agree

742
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 3: that their secondary does of question marks. But yeah, chat

743
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: this team and the next team were talking about. These

744
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: are two teams that unfortunately that the word is out

745
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: on Denver. But a month ago when I was betting

746
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 3: them at the sportsbook, no one was going there betting

747
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 3: the Denver team. Same with the Vegas team. So these

748
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: are two teams that definitely are professional against public perception.

749
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: Gotta say, gotta say, what a surprise that the guys

750
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: in Vegas like the team in Vegas. I never would

751
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: have anticipated that.

752
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: These are like seven year old men. You think they

753
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: give a fuck about the Raiders in Vegas. They don't

754
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: care about that.

755
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 4: Right, It is in the atmosphere. And one thing I

756
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: will say, like, okay, is it possible to say anything

757
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 4: about kind of like the market in general. I know

758
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 4: that there's one specific sports book that you know is

759
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: attached to this show. But I'll just say generally, there

760
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: is the big domestic sports books. There are some that

761
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: are not in Nevada. There's one that is the one

762
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: that is in Nevada has a lot of liability that

763
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: is built up on the Raiders. The other domestic books

764
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: that aren't in Nevada aren't taking nearly as much Raiders money.

765
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: Like that is kind of the sign people in Vegas

766
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: are betting on Vegas.

767
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, those people aren't. I mean, not all the people

768
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: live in Vegas, professionals that you know that right.

769
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 4: Well, yes, but what I'm saying is like saying the

770
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: guys in Vegas are betting on Vegas isn't really.

771
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: The guys in Cleveland. Like I'm just talking about pros bro.

772
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about the actual guys in Vegas. It's

773
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: just this thing we say it here. Don't don't look

774
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: too into it.

775
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not a literal interpretation. It's wise guys, the

776
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: guys in Vagae.

777
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: Well then you could just say, sharps. If you are

778
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: saying the guys in Vegas, that could easily be read

779
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: as a literal statement, because that's what you're saying. Most

780
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 4: people say sharps.

781
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Not I refuse to say that word.

782
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: All right, I do want to talk about the Broncos,

783
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: because look, this team, I think we all believe they

784
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: were kind of a shit show at the end of

785
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: last year. Then they drafted bow Knicks, who you could

786
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: telegraph that Sean Payton loved this guy and that he

787
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: was going to be the one of all the quarterbacks

788
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: getting drafted. It has been a constant conversation. Bo Nicks

789
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: has performed very well in the preseason. People have been surprised. Again,

790
00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: it's preseason. We're not getting too hyped up about bow Knicks.

791
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Three hundred to one to win the Super Bowl, eighteen

792
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: to one to win the division. That is double the

793
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: odds of the Raiders.

794
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: At nine to one.

795
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: Five and a half is the season win total. All right, Simon,

796
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: we know how you feel about the Raiders. You've already

797
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: teased that there is some interest in buying into the Broncos.

798
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: Make your case.

799
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: Make your case, and Freeman, I hope you're fucking taking

800
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: notes because I know you're gonna want to go the

801
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: other way.

802
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the fact that you could have got

803
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: him a twenty to one Bone Mix. You know what

804
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: were that three weeks ago to be offensive rookie of

805
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: the year. It sucks that that's gone now check because

806
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: it's the secret tower, right And I looked at I

807
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: didn't give it on the show. I bet him and

808
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 3: I bet JJ, which you know, even if I didn't

809
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: believe JJ was gonna be the best player, the best rookie,

810
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: the value was just too long, Like it was just

811
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: too much respect given to the top two guys, and

812
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 3: Williams and Daniels got luck. I didn't give out JJ

813
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: on the show because obviously he got hurt, and that's

814
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: just that's a dead bet. Now the flip side bon Knicks,

815
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: if you still want to bet it, I don't hate it,

816
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 3: but the value is obviously gone at this point. Like

817
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: the hype Chad just said it, it's just too much.

818
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: People are going crazy because you want what nine for

819
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: ten with that passing touchdown in a preseason game, which

820
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: again he looked good, but it's like, don't overreact too

821
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: much to it. It's it is vanilla. And if you

822
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: know anything about bone Knicks, he can look incredible for

823
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: a quarter and then completely throw three picks in the

824
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: next quarter. Like that is the boon Nicks experience, Like

825
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: that's just always been his graft about him. It's just

826
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: an inconsistent guy. The hope is the reason I'm positive

827
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: this team in betting this over is because he's with

828
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: to me, one of the smartest offensive minds in all

829
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: football in Sean Payton. And it's like, if he just

830
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 3: listens to Sean Payton, right, he does not go out

831
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: and do crazy bon Knicks thing. He just stays within

832
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: the offense, follows his coach every week, coaching him up

833
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: on what to do play by play. There is a

834
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: world here where this team get the six seven wins,

835
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 3: like five and a half their win total. It feels right,

836
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: But I like the over because I just have him

837
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: at six wins. So to me, this is a team

838
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: that I don't think defensively and offensive they'll be as

839
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: bad as they were last year because it felt like

840
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: that team had so much drama chad behind the scenes.

841
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 3: They kind of gave up right at one point where

842
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: like we know they kind of have players, right, they

843
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: aren't that team that lost by seventy points to Miami, Right,

844
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: there is a middle of their ground.

845
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: So to me, bow.

846
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: Knicks it's not something I'm heavily invested in, Like I'm

847
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: more invested in the Raiders in this Chiefs team, but

848
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 3: it's a team that I liked. They're over because I

849
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: just think Champagne is such a good coach. It's like,

850
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: I just can't see another season of them only getting

851
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: five or four wins. Like it's just there's too many

852
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: questions there that I'm not giving them out the you know,

853
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: shock the world to be the second this division with

854
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: bon Nicks. But it's like, I do believe offensively, defensively,

855
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: they'll be improved when they were last year, and last

856
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: year they were what a three four win team, So

857
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, not shocking to think they can

858
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 3: get two more wins after such a disaster year last year.

859
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: Eighth hardest strength of schedule A Lion is fifteenth. Not

860
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: really anything to say about it, nah, thirty first according

861
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focused the Best Edition, John Franklin, Myers

862
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: from the New York Jets goes from being expendable with

863
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: the Jets to being the best defensive lineman with the Broncos.

864
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah it's not pretty, Friedman, talk to me.

865
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: I have this projected at five point seven so like

866
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: right in line with the win total market of five

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Speaker 4: and a half. But to echo Simon's point, Nicks is

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Speaker 4: really intriguing. I don't think he has a chance to

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Speaker 4: win Offensive Rookie of the Year if the Broncos are

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Speaker 4: in that five and a half win range. But the

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Speaker 4: thing is, I'm assuming he's going to start in week one,

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Speaker 4: and that makes him, I think, very live to lead

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Speaker 4: all of the rookies in passing yardage, and there are

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Speaker 4: some props that you can bet in that, and he's

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Speaker 4: not the leader in that market, like he trails Williams

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Speaker 4: and and Jayden Daniels by a pretty healthy margin in

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Speaker 4: that market. So I would be looking to bet him

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Speaker 4: in that regard because I think if he's starting week

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Speaker 4: one in terms of his passing production, because he has

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Speaker 4: a Simon said, like one of the best offensive minds

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Speaker 4: guiding him, in Sean Payton, he could lead all of

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Speaker 4: the rookies and passing yards especially because this defense is

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Speaker 4: not good. They do have a hard strength of schedule

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Speaker 4: and so they might need to throw the rock a

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Speaker 4: decent amount, and so I could see bo Nicks having

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Speaker 4: a pretty good year statistically even if this offense, you know,

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Speaker 4: doesn't really blow up, and even if this team in

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Speaker 4: general still kind of disappoints and is you know, on

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Speaker 4: this subpar side.

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Speaker 2: I like that idea.

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Speaker 3: That's fat, that's a really yeah, that's more fun.

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Speaker 1: That's break that down right, and it makes sense, right,

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Speaker 1: Like the Bears could be competitive, and so it's very

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Speaker 1: possible they do want to run the ball a little

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton will let it rip.

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Speaker 1: And if he feels like he has a guy who

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Speaker 1: can execute his offense, even if it's dink and dunk,

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Speaker 1: ten yard slants, screens, things that Drew Brees was so

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Speaker 1: good at that, he feels like he might be able

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Speaker 1: to get the next generation of out of bo Nicks.

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Speaker 1: He's going to he he's a high risk, you know,

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Speaker 1: play caller. So that's a really good idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, five to one. That's where I put it in

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Speaker 4: the bet tracker at Fantasy Life. It's still available at

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Speaker 4: plus four fifty and I still like it at that number.

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Speaker 1: Good, all right, Freeman, I feel like I know where

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Speaker 1: Simon stands on his best bets for this division. Chiefs

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Speaker 1: five to one win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Chiefs. You know, minus whatever to win the division.

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Speaker 3: I think it's up to like two thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like my yeah, minus two thirty to win

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Speaker 2: the division.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Inappropriate amount on the Raiders over six and a half

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Speaker 1: and probably a little bit touch less on the Chargers

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Speaker 1: under eight and a half. Give me your favorite AFC

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Speaker 1: West bet.

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Speaker 4: So the favorite is forty five to one Chargers to

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Speaker 4: win the Super Bowl. I know it's ridiculous, not going

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Speaker 4: to win the Super Bowl. I like that one, and

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Speaker 4: then I would just kind of put this earmark of

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Speaker 3: get it now, Freeman's right, you can get them as

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