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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, June fifteenth. I'm JD.

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Speaker 1: Skeets and joining us thanks to the power of technology.

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Speaker 1: Tas Mellis, Hey everybody, Hey tasty, we got the Bearded one,

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Speaker 1: Trey Kirby, Hey out hey yo, we got the international

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Speaker 1: man of mystery taking it to the max, Lee Ellis friends, Last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, making the magic happen.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: Hello, there is and here we are. Guys. Email us

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Speaker 1: You know we'll be beach stepping it up midweek once again,

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Speaker 1: Congrats Lee on finally landing Kenny Anderson for Puff and Packs.

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Speaker 1: It took, but you got him on there yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it took a little bit longer than I thought.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the conventional time on the Sunday around lunchtime,

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Speaker 2: but that was when mister James was available and that's

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Speaker 2: when we got it done. So he did really well,

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Speaker 2: he really nailed it when it came to the clues

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Speaker 2: about the guy's colleges. That's where he really cleaned up. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: he did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, we'll check that out. That's up on our

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Speaker 1: Instagram page at No Dunk Sinc. And you know we're

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Speaker 1: on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash No Dunk Sinc. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: We've got some NBA headlines, some NBA news to break

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Speaker 1: down here on a Monday. Things kicked off on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: so I'll use this headline to get us going and

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Speaker 1: discuss the situation. But there's been a lot written about

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Speaker 1: it over the last couple of days. Sports Illustrated report

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving calls for players to skip NBA's Orlando return

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Speaker 1: yes over the weekend. Stars like Kyrie and Dwight Howard

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Speaker 1: and others. They question if now is the right time

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Speaker 1: to go to Orlando and play, saying it would or

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Speaker 1: could stall the momentum of the Black Lives Matter movement. However,

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Speaker 1: Lebron has sort of championed before return to play, saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, players can impact social justice movements from Florida

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Speaker 1: while playing. So everybody's got an opinion on this, especially

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Speaker 1: the messenger in Kyrie Irving. But tass, what did you

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Speaker 1: think again, hearing reports of this call, the Zoom meeting

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Speaker 1: on Friday night and what we've learned in the last

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Speaker 1: in the union and all that.

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Speaker 3: I think people need to just get past the Kyrie

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Speaker 3: Irving part. Just get over it. He is the headline,

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Speaker 3: for sure, but get past those twelve words and you

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Speaker 3: see that it's a bunch of guys just trying to

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Speaker 3: maximize this movement, trying to maximize the moment. They're trying

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Speaker 3: to ride that wave as high as that cress can go.

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Speaker 3: They're whipping that wave, and I think that's what's the

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Speaker 3: most important. They just don't want to lose momentum by playing,

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Speaker 3: so they're having a talk about it. They're having a talk.

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Speaker 3: Kyrie gets the headlines, and if you don't read into it,

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Speaker 3: maybe you don't know that hall of are on the call,

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Speaker 3: like Chris Paul and Carmela Anthony and Dwight Howard or

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Speaker 3: you know middle of the road guys who are helping

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Speaker 3: Brognan or white players like Zach Collins. So all these

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Speaker 3: to understand what the heck do we do here, because

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Speaker 3: that's far more important this movement than playing some games.

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Speaker 3: And it's just a conversation. People can hate on Kyrie

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Speaker 3: all they want, but they're just trying to make things better.

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Speaker 3: And it's a lot of the NBA was on that call,

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Speaker 3: talking about how we do this together, how we put

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Speaker 3: or multiple events, or you know. I think this is

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Speaker 3: Some Western Conference player put it, I'm not as interested

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Speaker 3: in him as the messenger than I am in the message,

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Speaker 3: according to ESPN, and I think that's what's important. And

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Speaker 3: I think I don't know you said it happened Friday

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Speaker 3: And then that seemed to get erased from articles unless

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Speaker 3: I was into Saturday morning days, but I'm ninety nine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so and somehow it's deleted. So Kyrie may

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Kyrie is doing what he's

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Speaker 2: NBAP Players Association, because I think in some ways a

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Speaker 2: lot of the players felt that this proposal that the

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Speaker 2: like that, and endorsements, and I think Kyri is just

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Speaker 2: obviously the bigger point here, the bigger factor is the

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Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter movement, which is obviously something we don't

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Speaker 2: want to just we don't want to yet use basketball

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Speaker 2: what he's trying to do is just trying to get

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Speaker 2: you know, as soon as someone says Kyrie having people

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Speaker 2: start to try to ridicule or mock him because he

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Speaker 2: But that's got nothing to do with what he's doing here.

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Speaker 2: He's just trying to bring more attention to getting the

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Speaker 2: I think he's implying that people are sort of seeing

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Speaker 2: that the predominantly black players going out there to try

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Speaker 2: to be about, you know, black black lives matters. First,

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Speaker 2: and then the basketball comes second. So I think I

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Speaker 2: think there's going to be some more discussion in the

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Speaker 2: try to figure out exactly how the best way to

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Speaker 2: is just trying to make sure that things are done properly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Michelle Roberts has said sense that she has urged

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Speaker 4: a personal decision for each player. That's from a wo

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Speaker 4: Wash article yesterday, and I think that's exactly right. These

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Speaker 4: fact of the matter. And the only criticism I would

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Speaker 4: plan to come back for a twenty two twenty two

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Speaker 4: team restart. But you know, the players also didn't have

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Speaker 4: all of the details for a safety plan, and you know,

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Speaker 4: things change in the course of two days, let alone

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Speaker 4: a week, So I'm not surprised that, you know, players

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Speaker 4: could get on a call, and as Wojes described it,

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Speaker 4: at one point, it was more of a Q and

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Speaker 4: a of the way things would work. Maybe they shouldn't

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Speaker 4: have held the vote right then. Clearly not everything had

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Speaker 4: been discussed. And these are all important things that Kyrie,

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Speaker 4: that Dwight Howard, that Avery Bradley are leading all of

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Speaker 4: these players. These are all things that must be discussed

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Speaker 4: before they're able to figure it out. You would have

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Speaker 4: liked to see them having these discussions prior to signing

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Speaker 4: off on restarting. That being said, I don't think that

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Speaker 4: discussing all of this necessarily means that they can't restart

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Speaker 4: or that they won't restart. It's just going to come

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Speaker 4: down to which players feel comfortable, what kind of risks

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Speaker 4: they're willing to endure to be playing basketball, and the

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Speaker 4: in their communities. It's going to be individual for everybody,

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Speaker 4: which is probably the way it should be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to make this clear too. The league

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Speaker 1: is not forcing any players to go play. They're not.

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Speaker 1: They have said right from the jump. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: allowing the players to choose if they want to participate

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Speaker 1: in this restart and if you voluntarily sit out, yeah

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Speaker 1: you could lose a portion of your salary, but you

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Speaker 1: would not face any other consequences. You know, you could

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Speaker 1: and nor should they. That's the weirdest thing about this.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, maybe we're to blame, you know,

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Speaker 1: the media. I say a little bit because we get

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Speaker 1: we're good to go, twenty eight to vote, we're in

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Speaker 1: it's back, baby, and everybody's excited because we're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a back seat when the NBA comes back. Health issues

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Speaker 1: mean you're asking people to just be sort of locked

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Speaker 1: like there's that too. And then there's financial issues of course.

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Speaker 1: other things that are of course important to them first.

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Speaker 1: So there's like all this up in the air. It

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Speaker 1: almost be weirder if these calls didn't happen, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: And the biggest thing from Friday night I tweeted this out.

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Speaker 1: I was like retweeting a couple of things Zach Harper

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Speaker 1: it felt like and maybe this was just like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I got about NBA Twitter just how crazy it can be,

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Speaker 1: and how opinionated. Of course it can be and just insane.

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Speaker 1: Insanity it can be. It was like making it feel

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Speaker 1: like July thirtieth was like starting this weekend. This is

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Speaker 1: still what are we six and a half weeks from

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Speaker 1: July thirtieth? This is actually so far still, And I

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Speaker 1: get it. Guys got to come back from their countries

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Speaker 1: in quarantine. There's going to be you know, meeting of

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Speaker 1: That guys are talking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's exactly right, and I actually

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Speaker 1: Well, let me read a small portion of an email

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Speaker 2: Well imagine though, he didn't say anything, and things went

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Speaker 3: Let's let's get back to the email here too, because

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Speaker 1: I think both could both could happen for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So they're they're just what they're discussing is

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Speaker 3: it's a good thing that they all know how to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, luckily they didn't have Kenny Anderson on

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Speaker 2: Eventually, eventually that would have gone.

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Speaker 3: There. Do you see Kyrie Irving's user name on Zoom there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Kirving, Yeah, Ki Berving. That's when. That's what it says

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it is a fascinating thought experiment.

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Speaker 1: At least? What do the fans think of it? Do

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Speaker 1: Now why all what changed? Right?

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Speaker 3: Like this, and kudos to Shampshrin and sam Amic and

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to say, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: sure he's not writing his own headlines, but whoever comes

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Speaker 4: the editors there, wo wash kind of it was a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a hit piece on Kyrie, no doubt,

431
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Speaker 4: but what he did was important. The conversation have started

432
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 4: happening and we're hearing about the conversations, so you know,

433
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 4: he could have said a lot of dumb stuff in

434
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Speaker 4: the past, which he has, but he's right on on

435
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 4: this one. So we got to I mean, you might

436
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 4: not like hearing it from Kyrie Irving, but even people

437
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 4: you don't like can be right sometimes.

438
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he definitely disrupted on the Athletic as well,

439
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: because it's the most commented article in a long time

440
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Speaker 3: on the MBA page. Even though the article was or

441
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 3: the the headline was, you know, pretty above board. Sources

442
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: revealed details of call among eighty NBA players, led by

443
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Speaker 3: Kyrie Irving. People want to read about Kyrie and they

444
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Speaker 3: want to read what they think is juicy type of stuff.

445
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Lee, Do you think we ultimately do restart

446
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Speaker 1: this season with all of this going on, that it

447
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Speaker 1: still does happen in the end.

448
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Speaker 2: I think so, yes, But I'm not one hundred percent

449
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: convinced for sure, because not only is there a sort

450
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Speaker 2: of dispute going on between the league and the players,

451
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: but we're also saying a bike in coronavirus cases in

452
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: Florida right near where the proposed bubble is going to be.

453
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Speaker 2: And also we're learning that the workers who will be

454
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Speaker 2: down there aren't subject to the bubble regulations of not

455
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: being able to leave, so there are going to be

456
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 2: people coming and going who aren't confined to just where

457
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Speaker 2: the NBA players and everyone associated with the league is.

458
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Speaker 2: So I think there's some concern about that because I

459
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 2: know that Florida I'm pretty sure now has fully opened reopened,

460
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Speaker 2: even though that's probably not the best thing to do.

461
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Speaker 2: So there's a chance that this could get shut down anyway.

462
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Speaker 2: Based on that.

463
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Speaker 3: I think everybody just and sorry to jump in there,

464
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: lead maybe six and a half weeks is enough time

465
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Speaker 3: for the NBA to change their policy and hire enough

466
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Speaker 3: people to not exit the bubble. Maybe these conversations are

467
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 3: lead to different dynamics medically as well. Sorry to cut

468
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Speaker 3: you off, but I think that's a good thing, you know.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but that's the thing that's something that needs

470
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Speaker 2: to be addressed. And I think, again, this is kind

471
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Speaker 2: of the big picture of what Kyrie is talking about,

472
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Speaker 2: is like, is it going to be safe? Because it

473
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Speaker 2: doesn't feel safe. I don't think to anybody if you've

474
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: got people who could potentially be exposed to the virus

475
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: not being tested, being around the players. So that's another

476
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: thing for the league to sort out and to come

477
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Speaker 2: up with an answer that is satisfactory to all the players.

478
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Speaker 2: So I think ultimately I'm about eighty twenty right now

479
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: that something will happen. I'm not sure if it will

480
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: go the entire time, but I feel that the league

481
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: and the players are going to do everything possibly can

482
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Speaker 2: to get something going. But there's still you know, six

483
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: weeks is a long time in some ways, but it's

484
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Speaker 2: not very long in other ways in terms of making

485
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Speaker 2: sure that all of these issues have been resolved in

486
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Speaker 2: time prior to the season starting, and then all the

487
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Speaker 2: players are on board and happy with it, and then

488
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Speaker 2: it goes ahead as planned. So I think so, I

489
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Speaker 2: hope so, but I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't say

490
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Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent certain that it's going to go ahead.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is a lot at stick if the players

492
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Speaker 1: do back out completely, if they come together as a

493
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Speaker 1: union and say no for whatever reason, be it health

494
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Speaker 1: issues with the virus, you know, worried about once basketball

495
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: starts back up, that the Black Lives Matter just totally

496
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: takes a back seat, and they're concerned about that. If

497
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Speaker 1: they all back out, like there is a lot of

498
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Speaker 1: money that they would lose. And then you've read I'm

499
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Speaker 1: sure that, well this could mean a lot more even

500
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Speaker 1: going forward. If the CBA is basically ripped up and

501
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: it's back to the drawing board. Well, you know, then

502
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Speaker 1: then you know they have a great relationship Michelle robertson

503
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: the players union with you know, and and the board

504
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: members like Chris Paul and all of them with the

505
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: league and silver. But you know, no, you never know

506
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: in negotiations, like the owners could want more money back

507
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: now and they've lost a ton of money too. Like

508
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to cry for billionaires by any means,

509
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Speaker 1: but there are reason they're billionaires. They like money, uh,

510
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Speaker 1: and they're.

511
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Speaker 4: Usually good at any talk of if the owners are

512
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Speaker 4: going to be in the bubble, because I think that

513
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Speaker 4: would change things probably, Yeah, I don't.

514
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Speaker 1: I don't think so, Trey.

515
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Speaker 3: It seems like the quotes from the players are, hey,

516
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: we're going down there, but the owners aren't.

517
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Speaker 1: Right right right? Yeah? So but yeah, again, like I do,

518
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Lee, Maybe I'm even a little higher

519
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: than your eighty percent of this of tipping off again,

520
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: I think it will happen. I think it was sirat

521
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: Sohey with Yahoo Sports who said, and it really sort

522
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: of clicked in my mind. She's like they approved back

523
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: in June, early June, they approved they didn't approve a season.

524
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Speaker 1: They approved a scenario. They said, like when they had

525
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: that first first meeting, they're like, okay, yeah, in theory,

526
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: we're on board to you know, obviously recoup some money

527
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: that we would obviously be losing, both the owners and

528
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Speaker 1: the players. And I'm like, let's do this, but we're

529
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: not signing on the dotted line, like, Okay, lock it in.

530
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Let's move forward in getting everything that we want to

531
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Speaker 1: feel comfortable restarting the season. And that's you know, I

532
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: think she put it so great. She's like, never trot

533
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: out the yellow championship rope until the game's been won.

534
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: And maybe we were doing that. Maybe we were putting

535
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Speaker 1: out the yellow rope there thinking like, yeah, season's back,

536
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: but there's a lot to figure out here still.

537
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Speaker 3: But it was hard not to and they all knew

538
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: what was going on, but they're I think they were.

539
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: They made that announcement and with the idea that that

540
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: would make everybody click that all right, we got to

541
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Speaker 3: get ready for this, because without it, the people wouldn't

542
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: have people wouldn't have started to get ready. And they

543
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 3: knew we've talked about before. As soon as they make

544
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: an announcement, they opened themselves to criticism about every single

545
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 3: regulation that they're doing. So you could call it a

546
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, a scenario or situation.

547
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: But as soon as you make an announcement that hey,

548
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: we're coming back and everywhere saying we are back, well,

549
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: of course they're going to be criticized for everything that

550
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Speaker 3: they're doing in terms of the pandemic.

551
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Speaker 1: There was this also this little nugget from Chalms in

552
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: his Friday column. The NBA PA's leadership stated it is

553
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Speaker 1: believed no fans will be permitted into games for the

554
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty twenty one season. So we know they're

555
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: going to be trying to do the bubble thing in Orlando.

556
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Speaker 1: But Sean's just saying, like the Union thinks there's not

557
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: even gonna be fans next year if that season obviously

558
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: tips off in December or in the calendar new calendar

559
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: year and stuff like that. And I bring that up

560
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: because again, what is it's believed to be like the

561
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: league loses basically forty percent of their money and having

562
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: no tickets to obviously put fans into the arena. So

563
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: like what I hit, I mean, this is just the

564
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: ramifications on not only whether we'd finish this season, but

565
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: moving forward and if we do get a CBA. I

566
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: mean it's not far fetched. Again, the relationship they have

567
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: is strong, but that there is a stoppage of play

568
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: I think unfortunately at some point a lockout or whatever

569
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: you want to call it, because there's a lot.

570
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: Of more, just just the restart. I think the resty

571
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: is the biggest question right now. You know, the December

572
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: one sort of gold. I just think that's unlikely if

573
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: you're playing in a bubble up until October, that people

574
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: will be able to travel around and move around from

575
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: city to city. The players I'm talking about here as

576
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: they do during a normal regular season, I just don't

577
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: think that would be happening by December. So I think

578
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: it's possible that the season does just get pushed back

579
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: until perhaps Februar or March even of next year. Even

580
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: that doesn't you know, that's only still another two or

581
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: three months. So who knows exactly what's going to happen.

582
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: Because if the bubble works, then that's great. But if

583
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: the bubble doesn't work, then it's really hard to see

584
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: how the league would even be able to restart again.

585
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: Within you know, six months.

586
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I was surprised to see that people

587
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: caught onto this no fans thing as a huge piece

588
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: of news because Adam Silver said the same thing in May,

589
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 4: in the same meeting where he was talking about fans

590
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: being forty percent of the revenue, and that's the entire

591
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 4: reason there are twenty two teams in the bubble. If

592
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: they were concerned about self and self health and safety,

593
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 4: there would be sixteen teams maximum, maybe there would be

594
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 4: two teams if they really wanted to have a champion

595
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: to the end of the NBA season, they wouldn't be

596
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: sending an extra three hundred five hundred people. But that's

597
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: a lot more money to make, So yeah, I mean,

598
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 4: it's not surprising to me that there could be no

599
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 4: fans in an arena for twenty twenty one. I certainly

600
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: wouldn't feel comfortable being inside with twenty thousand people, but

601
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: you see the videos of Las Vegas opening up, and

602
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: surely they would be able to sell twenty thousand seats

603
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: to people who would want to be there. But at

604
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: least in that case, it seems like the league is

605
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: putting safety first. If they're gonna ban fans for an

606
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: entire season.

607
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, what'd y'all make a task to start with?

608
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: You?

609
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Of Patrick Beverly's tweet, I guess it was his comments basically, hey,

610
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: if Lebron's hooping, then we're hooping as a league. I

611
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: mean it's like he's ultimately going to decide this. No,

612
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: we know Beverly and Lebron sort of have their past

613
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: little flare ups. What would you think of his comments?

614
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: It's pretty honest. It seems like Lebron's leader and that

615
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: what he says carries the most weight of the four

616
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty players in the league, which is true,

617
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: especially with everything he's doing off the court. Surprising, we've

618
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: got a little Clippers Lakers rivalry that they're going to

619
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: be going up against each other, you know, hopefully for

620
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: them in the in the conference finals. So surprising, but

621
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: also pretty accurate.

622
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Speaker 1: I think you agree with.

623
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Speaker 2: That, Lee, Yeah, I think for the most part that's acurate.

624
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that would mean everyone across the board

625
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: would just hop on and say, yeah, okay, well Lebron's

626
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: saying it, But I think it certainly would get the

627
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: league started. But I can still see a couple of

628
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: guys holding out because you know, some of the younger

629
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: people aren't maybe as enamored with Lebron and don't feel

630
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: he has that same sort of power as some of

631
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: the more senior guys do. So I can just sort

632
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: of see someone saying, no, I'm not going just because

633
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Lebron said it's safe. I want to go if the health,

634
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: health and safety experts say it's safe and if the

635
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: league has proven that it will be a safe venture

636
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: for us. So, but certainly he carries the most weight

637
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: within the league, There's no question about that. His voice

638
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: is the strongest and the most influential.

639
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. If Lebron had come out and said now is

640
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: not the time to be playing basketball and I don't

641
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to and I'm not going, then wow,

642
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: then it's like then you're then then you're trying to Yeah,

643
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: good luck trying to convince me silver in the league

644
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: actually restarts without him. Sure, I shouldn't see it. Yeah,

645
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: So I do buy the tweet as well, Trey, I

646
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Speaker 1: assume you do too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree with Patrick Beverley. Lebron

648
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Speaker 4: is going to basically set the agenda and it will

649
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Speaker 4: be up to the other players to decide if they

650
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Speaker 4: are willing to do the same that he is, because

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Speaker 4: even in all this reporting we've seen from the Zoom

652
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Speaker 4: calls and the additional discussion, there's still been little hints that,

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Speaker 4: you know, there might not even be a significant group

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Speaker 4: of players ready to sit out, or some of the

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Speaker 4: players that are on the call want to keep listening

656
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Speaker 4: and hearing what everybody's saying, but they would still lean

657
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Speaker 4: towards playing in Orlando. Meanwhile, Michelle Roberts and Lebron are

658
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Speaker 4: both saying, we're figuring out how we can use our

659
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Speaker 4: influence to enhance and move the movement forward, whether by

660
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: playing or by not playing. You know, they're still thinking

661
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 4: of ways to address systemic racism from the bubble or

662
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Speaker 4: outside of the bubble. So you know, if Lebron, if

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Speaker 4: Lebron is setting the agenda, surely people are going to

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Speaker 4: follow him since he's the biggest voice there.

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Speaker 1: But there will be.

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Speaker 4: People who don't want to hop on board, and that's

667
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Speaker 4: completely fine too. Everybody needs to make their own decisions tasks.

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Speaker 4: I will tell you I found the quote finally. It

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Speaker 4: was in a Chris Haynes article. Kyrie said, if it's

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Speaker 4: worth the risk, then let's go and do it. But

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Speaker 4: if you're not with okay, if you're not with it,

672
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Speaker 4: it's okay too. We've got options for both ways. Let's

673
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Speaker 4: just come to a middle ground as a family.

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Speaker 3: And so it's still there, It exists there, It's still there. Sorry,

675
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Speaker 3: sorry to sort of put that on the authors we

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Speaker 3: talked about earlier. Is just so many articles, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess I'm trying to keep up. So do you think

678
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Speaker 1: do you think this the union will literally just have

679
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Speaker 1: a straight up vote or not even like I guess

680
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Speaker 1: they would at some point to ultimately decide once they

681
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Speaker 1: because there are reports that they have a lot of

682
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Speaker 1: this information that we might see a little bit later

683
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Speaker 1: this week, Like they have this one hundred and twenty

684
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Speaker 1: five page document about the safety protocols, and they have

685
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Speaker 1: all this other stuff what you can and can't do, Like,

686
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Speaker 1: will they just straight up have a vote? Do you

687
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Speaker 1: want to go? Do you feel do you feel content

688
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Speaker 1: with this plan that the league is putting forward to

689
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Speaker 1: resume play? And then you know, they get a majority

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Speaker 1: vote and they say, Okay, I guess we're we've decided

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Speaker 1: as a union, we're playing. We're fine with what you're

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Speaker 1: putting in front of us, and then it's up to

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Speaker 1: the personal player themselves to decide whether they go or not.

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately that's probably what they're going to have

695
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Speaker 2: to do, is then, because the representatives spoke on behalf

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Speaker 2: of the entire league. But now we're hearing these senior

697
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Speaker 2: guys like come Elo saying everyone deserves a voice. So

698
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Speaker 2: I think ultimately they probably do. Now go back and say, okay, everyone,

699
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Speaker 2: let's vote on it, with the understanding that we're not

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Speaker 2: going to get one hundred percent. But if we get

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Speaker 2: eighty percent or whatever the sort of figure is, even

702
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Speaker 2: if it's only fifty percent or fifty one percent, then

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Speaker 2: that's the decision we go ahead with, because.

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Speaker 1: That human I think that personal opinion on whether you.

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Speaker 2: Go exactly yeah, but I think that's ultimately probably what's

706
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Speaker 2: happened a little bit is some people are saying, well,

707
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Speaker 2: not everyone in the not every player is getting an

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Speaker 2: equal chance here to speak, So let's go back and

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Speaker 2: give them an equal chance. And then I think you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a little bit more sort of an understanding

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Speaker 2: from the players exactly what the split is and how

712
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Speaker 2: quite a few guys were just sort of like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I'm going to take this opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: who's sports Spur star LaMarcus Aldridge has surgery? Won't play

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Speaker 1: that should be there in theory, but he won't be.

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Speaker 3: I guess they want to want it to be invited

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes me wonder if this these two are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, Lee, Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's classic spurs though. Yeah, like you

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Speaker 1: Teenage Mutant yack per mutant yacka perle. Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I love me some yaka Pearl, and he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: so anyway, he will, he'll be getting the minutes if

860
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: they get a chance to try and extend that postseason streak.

861
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: The Spurs day by the way, that Alders is expected

862
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: to be fully cleared for all basketball activities before the

863
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: start of training camp next season, whenever the hell that is.

864
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: But so, yeah, they've decided, all right, So the chances

865
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: were probably slim as it was. This is at a

866
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: time in late April. They may have been like, who

867
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: knows if we were even coming back, right, yeah, and

868
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: like maybe, yeah, one hand, you think you might want

869
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: to wait if you were the Spurs to find out like, oh,

870
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: maybe it will just be a straight up playing tournament

871
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: and then your chances are better. But yeah, then they

872
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 1: find out, well, you got to be within four games

873
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: even forced this little playing game. Oh yeah, then you

874
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: got to win twice in a row, and that'll just

875
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: get you the eighth seed and you're likely playing the Lakers.

876
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're like, yeah, screrect, we're not gonna be

877
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: winning the championship this year, so let's just get older, chealthy.

878
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: And he's still under contract. He's obviously worrying about himself.

879
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, next year is that contract year for him. He's

880
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: getting older. That's gonna be the last serious deal he signed,

881
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: so better be healthy to get that money.

882
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was supposed to have had a partial

883
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: guarantee for next year. That was supposed to be I

884
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: believe it was a little bit later, but they bumped

885
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: it up and just guaranteed him the rest of the

886
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: year next year, which was kind of surprising, just cuz

887
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: I mean, that does well.

888
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: He's had a weird situation there in San Antonio because

889
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: remember they basically tried to try him, I think, and

890
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: then they instead turned around and signed him too an extension.

891
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, wasn't thrilled with him for a while, and

892
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: then I don't know, they went out to dinner and

893
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: an old tend around for him.

894
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: So well, Elvino did flow.

895
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: That's where deals get made. But we just talked about

896
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: the Jazz briefly. I'm a little surprised that Donovan Mitchell's

897
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: quote in Shan Sharanya's article on The Athletic from that

898
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: Zoom call didn't get a little bit more press because

899
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell expressed concerns about playing and potentially getting injured

900
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: because he's a potential MAX player next year. Yeah, he said,

901
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: we're you know, we're kind of behind the eight ball

902
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: if we got to go out there and play and

903
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: maybe get injured. And to me, I mean, that's that's

904
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: just about the dollars. Which listen, you got to worry

905
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: about your your your high earning years for sure. But

906
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm I'm surprised that we're taking a big injury risk.

907
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 3: Wasn't more of a headline somewhere? Nobody really, nobody really

908
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: talking about that?

909
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: Well, apparently, according to Woes, those guys at the top

910
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: of the twenty seventeen draft class are now talking with

911
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: the NBA Players Association about quote, facilitating with the league

912
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: on insurance allowances for players, because it's gonna be hard

913
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 4: to go play playoff basketball after.

914
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Being off for four months, right right, with the risk

915
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: that you get injured and then miss out potentially on

916
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: a gigantic pay day. Yeah, you know, your first huge

917
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: real paycheck in link. Yeah, for sure. We'll have to

918
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: keep brying that all right. Next one here, guys, so

919
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: on's from Heat Nation report Miami Heat could potentially acquire

920
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins for playoff run. All right, we actually talking

921
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: a little basketball here. What do you think, Lee I

922
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: know this sort of is this rumor has been out there.

923
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: I feel like, for like for a long time, Cousins

924
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: linked to potentially going to the Heat.

925
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cousins is a big name still. I mean, we

926
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: know he's an All Star player at his best, but really,

927
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: if it was to happen, I'm just not sure he'd

928
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: be any more than sort of an insurance policy sort

929
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: of guy on the bench because he just hasn't played

930
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: for so long. He missed basically all of last season

931
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: with an ICL. Then he came back for the Warriors

932
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs and he tore up his quiet, and so

933
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: he just hasn't played in long enough for me to

934
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 2: think that he could have a major impact on that

935
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: team if he was to come back. But he's a

936
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: big body, he's a smart player, so even if it's

937
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: only a few fill in minutes now and then, he

938
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: could potentially do something. But otherwise I don't really see

939
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: it being a significant impact for the Heat really because

940
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: I just haven't seen him play. And when he has played,

941
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, when we saw him come back for the

942
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: Warriors last year, he just looked rusty, as to be

943
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: expected for a guy who's missed so much basketball, so

944
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: you know, but he's a name that attracts sort of interest,

945
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: and if you can get anything out of him in

946
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: short bursts, then it will be a bonus for the Heat.

947
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: I could see it happening next year when they have

948
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: a training camp to try and get him warm and

949
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: get him playing basketball again. But he had an achilles injury,

950
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 3: a quiet injury, and an e cl injury basically within

951
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: a year and a half. And when he came back,

952
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: he's DeMarcus Cousins Lake for sure. And he made a

953
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: tiny bit of an impact even after tearing that quad

954
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the playoffs coming into the NBA Finals,

955
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: made a tiny impact against the Raptors. But he's just

956
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: slow as molasses. So you're just gonna throw him out

957
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: there with the Miami Heat right now and you barely

958
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: have time to work it out or the three weeks

959
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: of camp enough. I don't think so I think you

960
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: got to You gotta do it next year. But I

961
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: can see, sort of a basketball standpoint, maybe he can

962
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: be the the fulcrum of our bench because they don't

963
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: have a lot of like, hey here's the ball, go

964
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: get it type guys, you know. But he could three

965
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 3: point shooters could work around him. Maybe bam could work

966
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 3: around him too, But it's just it's too quick and

967
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: the guy's got has had a ton of injuries, you know,

968
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: and really frequently in the last year and a half.

969
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's also not going to cost him very much.

970
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: Ira Wenderman is speculating that to open a roster spot,

971
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: the Heat would either cut Solomon Hill, you, Donnis Haslam,

972
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 4: or Chris Silver or Chris Silva. E Donnas Haslam is

973
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: obviously a Heat legend. They're probably not going to drop

974
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: him in the middle of the season. Silva, they just

975
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: signed to an extension. It'd be Solomon Hill. I mean, like,

976
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: you're not really losing much in a trade off. If

977
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: Solomon Hill is cutting, you're bringing in DeMarcus Cousins, even

978
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: if he's been out out of NBA basketball basically for

979
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: a year. You know, you take the chance that he's

980
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: going to have a double double in a playoff game,

981
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 4: You're probably not gonna be getting that from Solomon Hill regardless.

982
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: So long Solomon.

983
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm with you, Trey. If he's good to

984
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: go and he wants to try and play, yeah, you're

985
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: not giving up a lot to throw him on your roster. There.

986
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: You never know if suddenly, especially we don't know what

987
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: the you know, this basketball that could be played. Who's

988
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: to say, unfortunately a guy like Bam or Meyers, Leonard

989
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: or one of your bigs like I don't know, something

990
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: happens to the to their body because they're not ready

991
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: to play playoff basketball. You might need all these guys

992
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: you can. So there's an option where there suddenly is

993
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: minutes for a guy like DeMarcus Cousins. And man, I

994
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: would love to see Cousins for the in the long run,

995
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: with a team like the Heat and that physical Tree

996
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: squad and getting sort of what they could do with

997
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: him if once they got their hands on him. Just

998
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: turning these guys into just incredible, incredible athletes time and

999
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: time again. He's pretty cool. It's a great point, Skeets.

1000
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: I remember years ago David Thorpe said DeMarcus Cousins needed

1001
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 4: to lose fifty pounds, and I thought that was insane.

1002
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: But as we've seen throughout his career, you know, he

1003
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: has had some injuries to the lower legs. Perhaps losing

1004
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: fifty pounds would do him some good as he recovers

1005
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: from these catastrophic injuries. And there's nobody better than the Heat.

1006
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 4: Even if you're signing on with the Heat to be

1007
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: a part of their training staff for you know, three

1008
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: or four months, that probably is very helpful if you're

1009
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: recovering from an injury.

1010
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. All right. Our final headline is

1011
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: from ESPN. John Moran asks judge to have Confederate monument

1012
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: removed from Murray. I'll read a small part of it

1013
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: quote as a young black man, I cannot stress enough

1014
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: how disturbing and oppressive it is to know the city

1015
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: still honors a Confederate War general defending white supremacy and hatred.

1016
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: This monument is of Robert E. Lee. It was erected

1017
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventeen to honor Confederate soldiers, and it sits

1018
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: outside the courthouse there, Like a majority of these du tasks,

1019
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: what do you think of this is a young kid

1020
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: in Ja Moran, you know writing this letter was what

1021
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: your opinion on the matter.

1022
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: It's just a huge, huge kudos of the bravery of

1023
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: a kid to put that on his shoulders, and you

1024
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 3: know he's going to receive a lot of hatred, as

1025
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: people do who have issues with these Confederate statues. So

1026
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean really really, really impressive from a young person.

1027
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: And the second thing, I think, oh, Murray is an

1028
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: actual place. I didn't realize that Murray, Kentucky. Yeah that exists,

1029
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: so huge, huge kudos to Jamaran. It's it's unbelievable for

1030
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: a really young person to be able to put his

1031
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: neck on the line like that.

1032
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so well written. You know, he got to the

1033
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: point and he wasn't rude, he wasn't just respectful or

1034
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: anything like that. Just made his point and said, this

1035
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: doesn't belong here, and this.

1036
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: Is a thing that celebrates racism. That's what it is,

1037
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: exactly what. That's what these statues are. They weren't put

1038
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: up five years ago. They're put up in basically in

1039
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: the Jim Crow era, and they are a message to

1040
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: black people about white power and where they are in society.

1041
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: That's social order of everything. Can take them down and

1042
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: Ellie out John Right.

1043
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: You've seen you've seen a lot of these statues just

1044
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: been ripped down by people in the street. And I'm

1045
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: fine with that, but I'm also like, give the you know,

1046
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: he's basically giving the government there a chance to do

1047
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: it without it having been torn down by people who

1048
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: are just outraged by these things. So I think, again,

1049
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: that's a very smart thing that jar Moran's done. He said,

1050
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: he's expressed his position on it, and he doesn't want

1051
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: it to be one of those things that says, you know,

1052
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this and we'll get to it in

1053
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: months or year's time. He's like, do it now, do

1054
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 2: it right now, show it, so show some leadership. And

1055
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 2: I think that's a really really strong statement from Jara,

1056
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: And just again, he's not just out there, you know,

1057
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: playing basketball. He's trying to make an impact and his

1058
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: platform in his voice, and I think that's really admirable

1059
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: for a young guy.

1060
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, only twenty years old, and he's brave enough to

1061
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: speak up. That's why it's so important to bring things

1062
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 4: all around what Kyrie Irving and Carmelo Anthony and Dwight

1063
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 4: Howard are doing. People are finding their voices and they're

1064
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 4: encouraging these people to speak their truth, to say what

1065
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: they mean and what they think needs to change. And

1066
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 4: it's just awesome to see from so many people throughout

1067
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: the NBA family. You know, next, what's San Blastone Mountain.

1068
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: We don't get that anymore. You know, there's laws that

1069
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 4: have to be changed locally before they can actually do

1070
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: anything to it. But hopefully that's next on the list.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, we'll call it there. Coming up this week,

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Speaker 1: here are our plans. Guys, We're gonna talk to the

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Speaker 1: ringers Dan Devine tomorrow about the Wee teams not headed

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Speaker 1: to Disney. Yeah, he had. Our good friend Dan Vine

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Speaker 1: had two great articles last week looking at the big

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Speaker 1: question sort of facing those teams now that they are

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Speaker 1: officially done for the year. We still don't know, of course,

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Speaker 1: is the season is actually going to restart. We think

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Speaker 1: it will, but those eight teams, we know they're not going.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking about your Warriors and your caz

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Speaker 1: and your hornets and your pistons and so on. So

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Speaker 1: I thought those were great articles. Yeah, we'll give we'll

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Speaker 1: give you plenty of time to talk to Dan Devine

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Speaker 1: about his thoughts on the bulls.

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Speaker 4: I'm good, Actually, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I thought it'd be a We thought it would be

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Speaker 1: a fun little podcast too, like, oh yeah, what about

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Speaker 1: those teams because there are a lot of questions surrounding them.

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Speaker 1: So we'll we'll do a little deep dive with Dan

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Speaker 1: Devine on Tuesday's podcast, talking to him about those articles.

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Speaker 1: We're obviously going to hit the beach at some point

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Speaker 1: this week. Already told you so. Email your questions and

1093
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Speaker 1: your comments into no Dunks at the Athletic dot com,

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Speaker 1: or tweet them in at No Dunks in hashtag no Dunks.

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Speaker 1: We do still have plans to hit you with a silly,

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Speaker 1: a really silly squad episode. I know I teased this

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago and we never got around to it.

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Speaker 1: Last week. I apologize. I saw some people like getting

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Speaker 1: upset with me on Twitter and email. Where a squad

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Speaker 1: do you promised us? Geez, It's all right, I gotta

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Speaker 1: you're right. You're right. I shouldn't have said anything if

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Speaker 1: we weren't ready to go with it. But we will

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Speaker 1: eventually get around to recording that squad episode and we'll

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Speaker 1: get it up and a lot more so. Keep subscribed, obviously,

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Speaker 1: keep sharing the podcast. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Clipper Bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time,

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Speaker 1: turn up, love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, folks, and remember, in the words

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Speaker 3: of Michael Lee on The Athletic, Kyrie Irving isn't being

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Speaker 3: an agitator. He's doing his job.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the day. People. You could stay every day and

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Speaker 1: that be happy every minute.

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Speaker 2: It's been so long with your mona

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Speaker 3: Already, it's gonna be grevy