1 00:00:04,078 --> 00:00:06,518 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of My 2 00:00:06,718 --> 00:00:14,478 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey there, welcome back to the Book of 3 00:00:14,558 --> 00:00:18,798 Speaker 1: Joe podcast with Tom Berducci, Joe Madden and maybe we 4 00:00:18,838 --> 00:00:21,998 Speaker 1: should call it the Cup of Joe Broadcast. After a 5 00:00:22,038 --> 00:00:26,518 Speaker 1: long game last night, onto Houston the Astros with the 6 00:00:26,598 --> 00:00:30,838 Speaker 1: three games to lead, heading into a possible clincher in 7 00:00:30,958 --> 00:00:33,438 Speaker 1: game six. How are you doing this morning, Joe? I 8 00:00:33,478 --> 00:00:35,318 Speaker 1: am well, brother, How about yourself either? When that was 9 00:00:35,318 --> 00:00:39,678 Speaker 1: out late last night, I fell asleep. Boy. I want 10 00:00:39,678 --> 00:00:41,678 Speaker 1: to start with a good story, And one of the 11 00:00:41,838 --> 00:00:44,598 Speaker 1: stories reminds me of is in our book, The Book 12 00:00:44,638 --> 00:00:48,518 Speaker 1: of Joe. You tell some great stories about the importance 13 00:00:48,598 --> 00:00:52,638 Speaker 1: sometimes of getting a starting pitcher a complete game, and 14 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:55,638 Speaker 1: how that might sling shot his career forward. To know 15 00:00:55,798 --> 00:00:58,198 Speaker 1: that you can get something done that maybe you haven't 16 00:00:58,238 --> 00:01:01,518 Speaker 1: done before, to push yourself a little bit and be 17 00:01:01,638 --> 00:01:05,558 Speaker 1: rewarded by kind of setting a new boundary for yourself, 18 00:01:05,638 --> 00:01:09,198 Speaker 1: and and keep searching higher. And I know, Joe, You're 19 00:01:09,198 --> 00:01:11,478 Speaker 1: gonna tell some stories about that. But I thought about 20 00:01:11,518 --> 00:01:16,758 Speaker 1: that last night with Justin Verlander. It wasn't a complete game, 21 00:01:17,398 --> 00:01:19,718 Speaker 1: but he's got something next to his name in the 22 00:01:19,758 --> 00:01:24,078 Speaker 1: box score today is very meaningful. It's the letter w 23 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:29,718 Speaker 1: Justin Verlander, on his ninth try got his first World 24 00:01:29,758 --> 00:01:32,798 Speaker 1: Series win. And let me tell you how big of 25 00:01:32,798 --> 00:01:36,598 Speaker 1: a deal that was, folks. Justin Verlander, by the way, 26 00:01:36,598 --> 00:01:40,398 Speaker 1: he's been playing Major League Baseball since before Joe Madden 27 00:01:40,438 --> 00:01:44,238 Speaker 1: got his first full time managing gig. That's a while, folks. 28 00:01:45,158 --> 00:01:49,878 Speaker 1: And he gets his first World Series win, and his 29 00:01:49,998 --> 00:01:53,518 Speaker 1: teammates understand how important that is, not just to them, 30 00:01:53,518 --> 00:01:57,758 Speaker 1: but especially to him. They tossed him in a laundry cart, 31 00:01:57,838 --> 00:02:00,478 Speaker 1: pushed him into the shower room, and gave him the 32 00:02:00,558 --> 00:02:03,518 Speaker 1: rookie shower, which is basically taking anything you can get 33 00:02:03,518 --> 00:02:07,998 Speaker 1: your hands on in the clubhouse, water, beer, mustard, ketchup, whatever, 34 00:02:08,638 --> 00:02:11,398 Speaker 1: and pouring it on top of thirty nine year old 35 00:02:11,558 --> 00:02:14,678 Speaker 1: Justin Verlander. And I can tell you he was still 36 00:02:14,758 --> 00:02:17,518 Speaker 1: dripping when I saw him. I'm not sure I've ever 37 00:02:17,558 --> 00:02:21,598 Speaker 1: seen Justin Verlander more happy, at least outwardly in front 38 00:02:21,638 --> 00:02:24,638 Speaker 1: of everybody. I'm sure he's had great moments, he's married, 39 00:02:24,678 --> 00:02:27,638 Speaker 1: he's got a kid, But I'm talking on a baseball field, 40 00:02:27,638 --> 00:02:31,798 Speaker 1: a baseball kind of happiness. Justin has done everything you 41 00:02:31,798 --> 00:02:34,398 Speaker 1: could even dream of doing in a major league career 42 00:02:34,558 --> 00:02:38,598 Speaker 1: with one exception. The last unchecked box was a W 43 00:02:38,838 --> 00:02:41,718 Speaker 1: next to his name from a World Series game, and 44 00:02:41,758 --> 00:02:45,078 Speaker 1: he got it, and everybody in that clubhouse knew it. 45 00:02:45,998 --> 00:02:48,398 Speaker 1: And Dusty Baker, the manager, told me after the game, 46 00:02:49,238 --> 00:02:52,238 Speaker 1: I don't ever think a win is not important to 47 00:02:52,278 --> 00:02:56,758 Speaker 1: a picture, because it is important to them, and it's 48 00:02:56,798 --> 00:03:01,158 Speaker 1: important to the pictures. It's important to us and Joe. 49 00:03:01,198 --> 00:03:03,038 Speaker 1: That's why it brought me back to what you've done 50 00:03:03,038 --> 00:03:07,118 Speaker 1: in the past with pushing a picture, not in harm's way, 51 00:03:08,078 --> 00:03:10,998 Speaker 1: but stretching their boundaries to say you can't complete a 52 00:03:10,998 --> 00:03:13,878 Speaker 1: game and then good things will happen. Well, that came 53 00:03:13,918 --> 00:03:15,838 Speaker 1: to bear last night watching that game. I mean the 54 00:03:15,878 --> 00:03:18,438 Speaker 1: fact only won five innings, but this guy fought, fought, 55 00:03:18,518 --> 00:03:21,158 Speaker 1: fought because he's been in games deeper in the games 56 00:03:21,158 --> 00:03:23,638 Speaker 1: in the past and his history that he's had a 57 00:03:23,678 --> 00:03:26,118 Speaker 1: five through difficult moments and maybe the sixth or seventh 58 00:03:26,198 --> 00:03:28,078 Speaker 1: inning and eventually turns out to be the eighth and 59 00:03:28,118 --> 00:03:30,238 Speaker 1: the ninth and he walks off the field to a handshake. 60 00:03:31,278 --> 00:03:33,598 Speaker 1: It's just a it's a separator and the line I've 61 00:03:33,598 --> 00:03:36,358 Speaker 1: always used as a mind once stretches a difficult time 62 00:03:36,398 --> 00:03:39,638 Speaker 1: going back to its original form um, where we are 63 00:03:39,638 --> 00:03:43,358 Speaker 1: not permitting this to happen anymore. Young pictures being able 64 00:03:43,398 --> 00:03:46,678 Speaker 1: to pitch more deeply into games without restrictions. That the 65 00:03:46,718 --> 00:03:48,958 Speaker 1: only restriction should be like an out of control number 66 00:03:48,958 --> 00:03:50,918 Speaker 1: of pictures. I agree with that. You don't want to 67 00:03:50,958 --> 00:03:53,318 Speaker 1: hurt anybody in the way that it's built these days. 68 00:03:53,438 --> 00:03:56,438 Speaker 1: Of course, you're kind of looking for an issue or 69 00:03:56,518 --> 00:03:59,238 Speaker 1: problem if you let it go too far, but within 70 00:03:59,318 --> 00:04:02,358 Speaker 1: certain parameters, when you get a young picture to uh 71 00:04:02,638 --> 00:04:04,718 Speaker 1: finish the game walk off the field, these pitch through 72 00:04:04,798 --> 00:04:06,838 Speaker 1: some adversity. Probably in the latter part of the game. 73 00:04:07,438 --> 00:04:09,398 Speaker 1: He walks off the field and he and he shakes 74 00:04:09,438 --> 00:04:11,118 Speaker 1: the hand of the catch and everybody else screeets him 75 00:04:11,118 --> 00:04:13,838 Speaker 1: on the mount or that area that that's different. That 76 00:04:14,118 --> 00:04:17,038 Speaker 1: is that that growth moment that you're seeking, and that's 77 00:04:17,118 --> 00:04:19,558 Speaker 1: the moment that permits him to work through more difficult 78 00:04:19,598 --> 00:04:22,278 Speaker 1: moments earlier in the game. In other games that may 79 00:04:22,358 --> 00:04:24,798 Speaker 1: come along down the stretch and not necessarily the eighth 80 00:04:24,918 --> 00:04:26,718 Speaker 1: or night, but maybe it is the sixth or the seventh, 81 00:04:27,278 --> 00:04:29,518 Speaker 1: but you have to fight through adversity to become an 82 00:04:29,518 --> 00:04:33,278 Speaker 1: accomplished The Major League picture as a starter, and I, 83 00:04:33,438 --> 00:04:35,118 Speaker 1: like you, used the word dripping, and that's what he 84 00:04:35,198 --> 00:04:37,798 Speaker 1: was yesterday, dripping with that experience as that I was 85 00:04:37,798 --> 00:04:40,438 Speaker 1: watching it, and early on it didn't look good, and 86 00:04:40,638 --> 00:04:42,278 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he started looked like he got 87 00:04:42,318 --> 00:04:43,838 Speaker 1: on top of his break and ball better and it 88 00:04:43,878 --> 00:04:48,078 Speaker 1: was uh diving better. And in the fastball to shore, 89 00:04:48,158 --> 00:04:50,038 Speaker 1: he's trying to elevate, but he got it towards the barrel. 90 00:04:50,118 --> 00:04:53,758 Speaker 1: Knote inside little things like that, but he kept fighting 91 00:04:53,798 --> 00:04:55,638 Speaker 1: through it. You can see the resolve. You can see 92 00:04:55,718 --> 00:04:58,358 Speaker 1: him talking to himself on the mound, and all these 93 00:04:58,398 --> 00:05:01,238 Speaker 1: things are born of being permitted to work through the 94 00:05:01,278 --> 00:05:03,678 Speaker 1: struggle or to work through adversity, because you're not gonna 95 00:05:03,758 --> 00:05:07,558 Speaker 1: learn only through your wonderful perfect moments. So that's what 96 00:05:07,638 --> 00:05:10,758 Speaker 1: I saw. Like you mentioned, I could give you several 97 00:05:11,118 --> 00:05:14,558 Speaker 1: Whether it was Hilly Hathaway or uh Colin Charlotte or 98 00:05:14,598 --> 00:05:17,318 Speaker 1: others in the minor leagues, I don't know. They never pitched. 99 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:19,078 Speaker 1: I think they did pitch briefly in the big leagues. 100 00:05:19,118 --> 00:05:24,478 Speaker 1: I think Hilly did. But the point is Kirk McCaskill 101 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:27,518 Speaker 1: or Bonelugu others that I permitted to pitch nine innings 102 00:05:27,678 --> 00:05:32,598 Speaker 1: in a playoff game against the met for day two, 103 00:05:32,678 --> 00:05:35,478 Speaker 1: right eighty two, and they they got through in the 104 00:05:36,158 --> 00:05:39,438 Speaker 1: Kirk pitches nine innings, two hits, no walks, twelve punch 105 00:05:39,518 --> 00:05:42,318 Speaker 1: outs against the team that was fifty three and seventeen 106 00:05:42,358 --> 00:05:45,438 Speaker 1: that year, and or Bonalugo finishes it off in Midland 107 00:05:45,998 --> 00:05:48,358 Speaker 1: and and I think it was six to one, possibly 108 00:05:48,358 --> 00:05:50,358 Speaker 1: in a complete game there for him too. But the 109 00:05:50,398 --> 00:05:52,918 Speaker 1: point is you let permit guys like this to do 110 00:05:52,998 --> 00:05:55,198 Speaker 1: that in the minor leagues. It just it turns them 111 00:05:55,198 --> 00:05:58,558 Speaker 1: into a different form of an animal, pitching starting pitching animal. 112 00:05:58,918 --> 00:06:01,278 Speaker 1: I'd love to see more of it occur because right 113 00:06:01,278 --> 00:06:03,958 Speaker 1: now we're all accepting the theory and the belief that 114 00:06:03,998 --> 00:06:07,238 Speaker 1: these guys could only pitch five or six innings and 115 00:06:07,278 --> 00:06:08,838 Speaker 1: they can't really get the third time threo. But you 116 00:06:08,878 --> 00:06:10,838 Speaker 1: know why, because then never learn how to do it, 117 00:06:11,318 --> 00:06:13,558 Speaker 1: and they've not been given the opportunity to learn how 118 00:06:13,598 --> 00:06:15,878 Speaker 1: to do it. And then in turn with that, you're 119 00:06:15,918 --> 00:06:18,558 Speaker 1: gonna have better bullpens because of that, because these guys 120 00:06:18,558 --> 00:06:20,918 Speaker 1: are gonna have to be asked to cover less innings. 121 00:06:20,958 --> 00:06:23,038 Speaker 1: Like right now, maybe not as much of an issue 122 00:06:23,078 --> 00:06:27,118 Speaker 1: because finite series, shorter series you don't have to stretch 123 00:06:27,158 --> 00:06:28,758 Speaker 1: it out, but over the course of a long season, 124 00:06:28,798 --> 00:06:31,158 Speaker 1: when your starters are going five innings, I don't know 125 00:06:31,158 --> 00:06:32,918 Speaker 1: how these groups do it unless you just have this 126 00:06:33,798 --> 00:06:35,718 Speaker 1: can full of relief pictures that you could show them 127 00:06:35,758 --> 00:06:37,558 Speaker 1: between your Triple A team in the big leagues. So 128 00:06:38,038 --> 00:06:40,878 Speaker 1: that's the long answer. The point is watching very Lander 129 00:06:40,958 --> 00:06:44,878 Speaker 1: pitch last night, I saw a guy that that knows 130 00:06:44,918 --> 00:06:48,598 Speaker 1: his craft, understands his craft, and understands himself because he fought. 131 00:06:48,998 --> 00:06:51,198 Speaker 1: He fought. You talked about the grind, and I love 132 00:06:51,278 --> 00:06:54,998 Speaker 1: the fact that the his teammates recognize that. And and 133 00:06:55,038 --> 00:06:57,278 Speaker 1: I'm sure Justin felt like a rookie in that in 134 00:06:57,318 --> 00:07:00,918 Speaker 1: that cart in the shower with everything that ensued afterwards, 135 00:07:00,918 --> 00:07:02,758 Speaker 1: and that's probably a member he's never going to forget 136 00:07:02,838 --> 00:07:06,078 Speaker 1: right there of all the wonder things that he's done. Absolutely, 137 00:07:06,078 --> 00:07:08,478 Speaker 1: And I would submit Joe that maybe the win is 138 00:07:08,478 --> 00:07:11,998 Speaker 1: the new complete game, where we're not going back to 139 00:07:12,038 --> 00:07:14,278 Speaker 1: the day where guys are going to complete games very 140 00:07:14,278 --> 00:07:18,918 Speaker 1: often in the major leagues. Um, but I still think 141 00:07:19,318 --> 00:07:21,718 Speaker 1: and I know a win is a product of run 142 00:07:21,758 --> 00:07:24,318 Speaker 1: support and some things that are outside the control of 143 00:07:24,358 --> 00:07:26,558 Speaker 1: the picture. It's not the be all, and it's not 144 00:07:26,678 --> 00:07:30,118 Speaker 1: the end all of how well or how poorly a 145 00:07:30,198 --> 00:07:33,678 Speaker 1: picture pitched. I get that, but I love dust these 146 00:07:33,758 --> 00:07:37,398 Speaker 1: point that it is important to these guys, and there 147 00:07:37,478 --> 00:07:39,518 Speaker 1: is a difference between coming out of that game with 148 00:07:39,798 --> 00:07:42,518 Speaker 1: W next to your name, or having a fifteen win 149 00:07:42,678 --> 00:07:46,078 Speaker 1: season or my goodness, a twenty win season. I think 150 00:07:46,118 --> 00:07:49,238 Speaker 1: we should never lose sight of the value of those things, 151 00:07:49,638 --> 00:07:53,118 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't make sense, you know, empirically in 152 00:07:53,198 --> 00:07:56,918 Speaker 1: terms of valuing the picture. So maybe having sticking around 153 00:07:56,958 --> 00:08:00,438 Speaker 1: to get that win is the next complete game. And 154 00:08:00,478 --> 00:08:03,398 Speaker 1: by the way of your stories you mentioned and he 155 00:08:03,518 --> 00:08:05,358 Speaker 1: told me tell a great story the book as well. 156 00:08:05,398 --> 00:08:07,358 Speaker 1: On the major league level, with a guy like Jake 157 00:08:07,398 --> 00:08:12,158 Speaker 1: Garrietta right with the Cups. Yeah, Jake in that great 158 00:08:12,238 --> 00:08:14,518 Speaker 1: year that he had this young year, we're playing him Minnesota. 159 00:08:14,958 --> 00:08:16,718 Speaker 1: Earlier in the season. He was doing okay, he wasn't 160 00:08:16,718 --> 00:08:19,718 Speaker 1: doing great, wasn't doing horribly, and we're playing Minnesota. Is 161 00:08:19,758 --> 00:08:21,358 Speaker 1: a kind of a close game into the seventh or 162 00:08:21,398 --> 00:08:23,358 Speaker 1: eighth inning, and then all of a sudden we squared 163 00:08:23,398 --> 00:08:26,798 Speaker 1: several runs and it's eight nothing. Um, he's right around 164 00:08:26,798 --> 00:08:29,318 Speaker 1: a hundred pitches with tunings left to go. And I'm 165 00:08:29,318 --> 00:08:33,118 Speaker 1: looking at this and it's a perfect example. Easily could 166 00:08:33,158 --> 00:08:35,318 Speaker 1: take him out of there. We're up by eight points. 167 00:08:35,518 --> 00:08:37,158 Speaker 1: Get him out of there. He doesn't have to waste 168 00:08:37,198 --> 00:08:39,398 Speaker 1: his bullets right now. Just get him out, put in 169 00:08:39,398 --> 00:08:41,398 Speaker 1: the bullpens hands. But I thought it was really important 170 00:08:41,438 --> 00:08:43,438 Speaker 1: that he pitched a complete game. And then furthermore, a 171 00:08:43,438 --> 00:08:46,638 Speaker 1: complete game shutout. That's another that's another animal in and 172 00:08:46,638 --> 00:08:49,358 Speaker 1: of itself too. So left him in there. And then 173 00:08:49,398 --> 00:08:52,518 Speaker 1: afterwards I heard from different people that, you know, why 174 00:08:52,518 --> 00:08:54,438 Speaker 1: didn't you get him out? You know this job had 175 00:08:54,478 --> 00:08:56,278 Speaker 1: been done. You don't want to waste the pitches. But 176 00:08:56,318 --> 00:08:58,318 Speaker 1: then I tried to explain exactly what we've been talking 177 00:08:58,318 --> 00:09:01,278 Speaker 1: about to this point. It really it flips the switch 178 00:09:01,358 --> 00:09:03,958 Speaker 1: within a picture when he knows he can do that 179 00:09:04,118 --> 00:09:06,318 Speaker 1: nice And like I said, not just a complete game, 180 00:09:06,358 --> 00:09:09,198 Speaker 1: but a complete game shut out a significant You're right, 181 00:09:09,318 --> 00:09:11,638 Speaker 1: you're not gonna see. I don't know that I'm I'm 182 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:15,478 Speaker 1: pounding the table to get more complete games. Necessarily, maybe 183 00:09:15,478 --> 00:09:19,198 Speaker 1: I'm pounded the table to permit pictures to um fulfill 184 00:09:19,598 --> 00:09:22,838 Speaker 1: potentially their greatness by being permitted to pitch more deeply 185 00:09:22,838 --> 00:09:24,438 Speaker 1: into the games. And I think it's going to benefit 186 00:09:24,478 --> 00:09:26,478 Speaker 1: the team in the long run when they learned how 187 00:09:26,518 --> 00:09:28,638 Speaker 1: to do that. But Jake went on that year and 188 00:09:28,638 --> 00:09:32,678 Speaker 1: he was He won that one game playoff versus the 189 00:09:32,718 --> 00:09:36,278 Speaker 1: Pirates in Pittsburgh with another complete game. Wasn't a shutout, 190 00:09:36,278 --> 00:09:39,198 Speaker 1: I don't think, right, but nevertheless a complete game, and 191 00:09:39,678 --> 00:09:41,038 Speaker 1: that's what he learned how to do. And then he 192 00:09:41,158 --> 00:09:43,998 Speaker 1: just became unbelievable after that. I'm not just saying that 193 00:09:43,998 --> 00:09:46,638 Speaker 1: that was it was a sort of a seminal moment 194 00:09:46,678 --> 00:09:49,478 Speaker 1: because I know I watched them and after that, man, 195 00:09:49,558 --> 00:09:51,638 Speaker 1: he just wanted to be out there to the very end. 196 00:09:51,638 --> 00:09:53,598 Speaker 1: He's he's got John lackey in is here all the time. 197 00:09:53,638 --> 00:09:55,318 Speaker 1: He's got John Lestern is here all the time. These 198 00:09:55,358 --> 00:09:58,558 Speaker 1: guys wanted to do the same thing. Uh. But final 199 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:02,158 Speaker 1: point time, you're right, starting pitchers like the W after 200 00:10:02,238 --> 00:10:05,878 Speaker 1: their name. There's nothing wrong with that. I want starting 201 00:10:05,878 --> 00:10:08,558 Speaker 1: pictures to want to be that guy. And I also 202 00:10:08,638 --> 00:10:10,478 Speaker 1: believe from what I'm seeing there's a lot of the 203 00:10:10,518 --> 00:10:13,678 Speaker 1: young starting pictures that aren't necessarily concerned about that. They've 204 00:10:13,678 --> 00:10:16,038 Speaker 1: been trained to think otherwise. It's part of the training 205 00:10:16,158 --> 00:10:19,198 Speaker 1: ritual that we're trying to flip the method with which 206 00:10:19,238 --> 00:10:22,398 Speaker 1: we think and approach this game. And there's there's some 207 00:10:22,438 --> 00:10:24,558 Speaker 1: things like I could agree with and I like, and 208 00:10:24,598 --> 00:10:27,398 Speaker 1: there's something I don't like, and this is one of them. Yeah, 209 00:10:27,398 --> 00:10:29,318 Speaker 1: that reminds me of the old line from Kurt Schilling. 210 00:10:29,358 --> 00:10:33,038 Speaker 1: He once told me pictures are like labrador retrievers. They'll 211 00:10:33,078 --> 00:10:35,198 Speaker 1: do what you train them to do. And I think 212 00:10:35,198 --> 00:10:37,078 Speaker 1: you're right. I think a lot of these guys come 213 00:10:37,118 --> 00:10:40,038 Speaker 1: up trained to believe that, Hey, I did my job 214 00:10:40,158 --> 00:10:43,158 Speaker 1: just to manage the game. There were a couple of 215 00:10:43,198 --> 00:10:45,158 Speaker 1: points in this game, and I thought it was, by 216 00:10:45,198 --> 00:10:50,358 Speaker 1: the way, Game five a real interesting, tight strategic game. 217 00:10:50,478 --> 00:10:53,318 Speaker 1: A couple of smaller points in this game that I 218 00:10:53,318 --> 00:10:55,478 Speaker 1: can't wait to talk to Joe about. Stick around. We'll 219 00:10:55,518 --> 00:11:04,838 Speaker 1: be right back with the Book of Joe Podcasts. Welcome back. 220 00:11:04,838 --> 00:11:07,398 Speaker 1: I mentioned some smaller points in the game, and I 221 00:11:07,438 --> 00:11:10,438 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to Joe about this, what his managerial 222 00:11:10,598 --> 00:11:13,878 Speaker 1: I thought when he saw this. I can't remember the 223 00:11:13,918 --> 00:11:16,518 Speaker 1: last time I saw the infield in for the second 224 00:11:16,558 --> 00:11:18,678 Speaker 1: batter of a game, but we saw it in Game 225 00:11:18,718 --> 00:11:21,438 Speaker 1: five with jose Al TV at third base, had a second, 226 00:11:21,798 --> 00:11:23,758 Speaker 1: had a double, went and advanced the third on a 227 00:11:23,798 --> 00:11:27,158 Speaker 1: bubble by Brandon marshon center field. He's on third base, 228 00:11:27,918 --> 00:11:32,118 Speaker 1: nobody out. Series tied to two. Jeremy Painty in the 229 00:11:32,158 --> 00:11:34,918 Speaker 1: box and Rob Thompson brings his infield in and I 230 00:11:34,958 --> 00:11:39,438 Speaker 1: mean all the way in on the grass. I looked 231 00:11:39,438 --> 00:11:41,318 Speaker 1: at the scoreboard and said that I missed something is 232 00:11:41,358 --> 00:11:45,558 Speaker 1: at the eighth inning. Now it didn't really burn Rob Thompson. Yes, 233 00:11:45,598 --> 00:11:47,438 Speaker 1: pain you got a base hit. But if the infield's 234 00:11:47,478 --> 00:11:51,438 Speaker 1: back on two bays going to score anyway. Um, But 235 00:11:51,718 --> 00:11:54,558 Speaker 1: it was Listen, I've watched Rob enough of this postseason 236 00:11:54,598 --> 00:11:57,958 Speaker 1: and know he manages aggressively. That was one aggressive move. 237 00:11:58,238 --> 00:12:00,518 Speaker 1: What do you think, Joe? Yeah, I'm not in total 238 00:12:00,558 --> 00:12:02,878 Speaker 1: disagreement with it. I have my I have my theories 239 00:12:02,918 --> 00:12:05,678 Speaker 1: on that particular play it. The first point is that 240 00:12:05,758 --> 00:12:07,638 Speaker 1: run counts as much in the first inning because it 241 00:12:07,678 --> 00:12:09,358 Speaker 1: does in the eighth or ninth inning. So if we 242 00:12:09,398 --> 00:12:11,518 Speaker 1: could cut off that run, I've always wanted to do that. 243 00:12:12,158 --> 00:12:16,758 Speaker 1: In Game five and UM against the Nationals several years ago, 244 00:12:16,838 --> 00:12:18,318 Speaker 1: we played in field and I think in the third 245 00:12:18,398 --> 00:12:20,478 Speaker 1: or fourth thing it might have been Harper hitting and 246 00:12:20,598 --> 00:12:22,798 Speaker 1: hits the ball heard at Hobby. Hobby throws at the plate, 247 00:12:22,878 --> 00:12:25,158 Speaker 1: we get the run rout. Every run counts, so I'm 248 00:12:25,198 --> 00:12:28,278 Speaker 1: looking at it from that perspective. But my evaluation is 249 00:12:28,278 --> 00:12:30,998 Speaker 1: always about who's on deck and and and what that 250 00:12:31,038 --> 00:12:34,318 Speaker 1: means of the game situation. For instance, pinia Um is 251 00:12:34,318 --> 00:12:36,838 Speaker 1: somewhat of a bass dealer and he runs a little bit, 252 00:12:36,878 --> 00:12:40,518 Speaker 1: so I would be less apt in that situation, especially 253 00:12:40,518 --> 00:12:42,678 Speaker 1: against with the synder guard pitching, because he's so slow 254 00:12:42,718 --> 00:12:45,198 Speaker 1: to the play. I don't want this to turn into 255 00:12:45,198 --> 00:12:47,758 Speaker 1: a beginning. I'll take the out. So that would have 256 00:12:47,758 --> 00:12:50,118 Speaker 1: been I think probably, and you can never know it 257 00:12:50,158 --> 00:12:51,558 Speaker 1: to you in the dugout in that moment, but I 258 00:12:51,598 --> 00:12:54,198 Speaker 1: think that would have been a situation had we gotten 259 00:12:54,278 --> 00:12:58,278 Speaker 1: him out under those circumstances the runners that if I'm 260 00:12:58,278 --> 00:13:00,438 Speaker 1: playing back and then we get one out run er 261 00:13:00,478 --> 00:13:03,478 Speaker 1: at third base, here comes Ovarez, Yeah, I would bring 262 00:13:03,518 --> 00:13:05,078 Speaker 1: it an again and Salvas in a bregman. I mean, 263 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:07,678 Speaker 1: these guys aren't gonna hurt us on the basis after 264 00:13:07,718 --> 00:13:09,558 Speaker 1: they get out there if a ball just dribbles through. 265 00:13:09,598 --> 00:13:12,478 Speaker 1: So I I utilized that in my in my process 266 00:13:12,518 --> 00:13:15,278 Speaker 1: regarding when to play the infield in and how do 267 00:13:15,318 --> 00:13:17,078 Speaker 1: we evaluate the whole thing. A lot of I look 268 00:13:17,118 --> 00:13:19,678 Speaker 1: at the guy on deck. Uh, and if that guy 269 00:13:19,718 --> 00:13:21,718 Speaker 1: on deck could really create havoc and turn this into 270 00:13:21,758 --> 00:13:24,998 Speaker 1: a beginning, especially early, I will back off a bit. 271 00:13:25,118 --> 00:13:28,198 Speaker 1: But that's it. I everyone everyone is the same for me. 272 00:13:28,278 --> 00:13:31,078 Speaker 1: Everyone counts every every one of them counts. This is 273 00:13:31,078 --> 00:13:33,118 Speaker 1: a three two games, so obviously, had it worked, it 274 00:13:33,118 --> 00:13:35,558 Speaker 1: would would have made a big difference. Spaker, you made 275 00:13:35,558 --> 00:13:37,678 Speaker 1: the point that even with the infield back, the run 276 00:13:37,718 --> 00:13:39,918 Speaker 1: would have scored. The part of that was it gets 277 00:13:39,918 --> 00:13:41,558 Speaker 1: into the next part of it is what I just 278 00:13:41,598 --> 00:13:44,478 Speaker 1: talked about. Pay It took too long to run. I thought, 279 00:13:44,518 --> 00:13:47,998 Speaker 1: I know Alvrez is that hitting, and I don't know. 280 00:13:48,118 --> 00:13:49,918 Speaker 1: I don't know where the second base was. I couldn't 281 00:13:49,918 --> 00:13:51,918 Speaker 1: see it on TV. Did they have the shift going on? 282 00:13:52,038 --> 00:13:54,758 Speaker 1: Was that was the whole cover at first base? Regardless, 283 00:13:54,758 --> 00:13:56,638 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I couldn't tell that they did have 284 00:13:56,678 --> 00:13:58,638 Speaker 1: a shift going on. Now, he there was a pitch 285 00:13:58,678 --> 00:14:02,558 Speaker 1: early in the count where he ran and Alvara swung 286 00:14:02,638 --> 00:14:05,278 Speaker 1: and fouled it off. Sometimes let the guy take the 287 00:14:05,358 --> 00:14:08,118 Speaker 1: bag unless it's a cookie down the mental sure and well, 288 00:14:08,158 --> 00:14:10,678 Speaker 1: part of that is UH is also the fact that 289 00:14:10,798 --> 00:14:15,358 Speaker 1: normally it's been my experience that pictures like that will 290 00:14:15,398 --> 00:14:17,958 Speaker 1: be slower earlier in the account and quicker later in account. 291 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:19,998 Speaker 1: Did you notice as the account got deeper, Synderguard really 292 00:14:20,038 --> 00:14:23,238 Speaker 1: wanted to pound at first base. Um, there was you 293 00:14:23,238 --> 00:14:24,958 Speaker 1: could watch this leg it's so slow to the play 294 00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:27,278 Speaker 1: and listen, No, it works really hard to prevent that, 295 00:14:27,358 --> 00:14:29,958 Speaker 1: and real mood was good and that gosh, the play 296 00:14:30,078 --> 00:14:32,558 Speaker 1: they made. It was an outstanding play. But I think 297 00:14:32,598 --> 00:14:34,438 Speaker 1: had he gone earlier in the account, he probably would 298 00:14:34,438 --> 00:14:37,038 Speaker 1: have beaten it. And then just to keep going on 299 00:14:37,078 --> 00:14:38,878 Speaker 1: and on about it, but that player reminded me of 300 00:14:38,958 --> 00:14:41,878 Speaker 1: the time and against the Red Sox with the Rays 301 00:14:41,958 --> 00:14:45,598 Speaker 1: and the Alcs when Um struck out where Tease and 302 00:14:45,638 --> 00:14:47,798 Speaker 1: Petroy got thrown on a second base. It's really a 303 00:14:47,798 --> 00:14:50,878 Speaker 1: momentum changer. Um, I think of that. And he had 304 00:14:50,878 --> 00:14:53,438 Speaker 1: played out a little bit differently in PAINI had run sooner, 305 00:14:53,918 --> 00:14:55,838 Speaker 1: there might have been more months to be had for 306 00:14:55,878 --> 00:14:59,398 Speaker 1: the for the Astros there, because no, it would have 307 00:14:59,398 --> 00:15:01,998 Speaker 1: had a totally different mindset had that runner gotten the 308 00:15:02,038 --> 00:15:04,798 Speaker 1: second with nobody be out and then all of a 309 00:15:04,838 --> 00:15:06,878 Speaker 1: sudden it's a double play. There's two outs and and 310 00:15:06,918 --> 00:15:09,038 Speaker 1: then he turns into no again. He turns into Thoor. 311 00:15:09,238 --> 00:15:11,558 Speaker 1: So there's all the subplots that are going on that 312 00:15:11,638 --> 00:15:15,318 Speaker 1: really aren't evaluated enough for me. Everybody just really focuses 313 00:15:15,358 --> 00:15:18,078 Speaker 1: on relief pictures and and when did you bring a 314 00:15:18,078 --> 00:15:20,438 Speaker 1: relief picture? And and it was he successful or not? 315 00:15:20,758 --> 00:15:22,758 Speaker 1: And the game's devolved into that. I think when it 316 00:15:22,798 --> 00:15:26,278 Speaker 1: comes to uh dissecting a post in the postmortem on it, 317 00:15:26,278 --> 00:15:29,038 Speaker 1: it's always about that. But there's so many more interesting things. 318 00:15:29,038 --> 00:15:32,038 Speaker 1: And I'm giving an example of that from yesterday. To me, 319 00:15:32,118 --> 00:15:35,038 Speaker 1: I was all over the map watching that that whole 320 00:15:35,038 --> 00:15:38,438 Speaker 1: thing play out, because it would have played um back 321 00:15:38,518 --> 00:15:41,318 Speaker 1: because of the hitter, because of the fact that he's fast, 322 00:15:41,638 --> 00:15:43,918 Speaker 1: and once he got to first Baselhood it ran sooner 323 00:15:44,438 --> 00:15:46,638 Speaker 1: and not worried about the whole being open for outbreaks 324 00:15:46,638 --> 00:15:48,438 Speaker 1: because they're already in the shift and all these little 325 00:15:48,438 --> 00:15:50,958 Speaker 1: subplots and on and on and on. Yeah, I'm a 326 00:15:50,998 --> 00:15:53,518 Speaker 1: big believer. And if you're going to run, run early 327 00:15:53,558 --> 00:15:56,598 Speaker 1: in account. And it really bothers me sometimes when the 328 00:15:56,598 --> 00:15:59,398 Speaker 1: guys wait till to two three too well three two 329 00:15:59,438 --> 00:16:01,958 Speaker 1: is a little different, but too too I mean two 330 00:16:01,998 --> 00:16:04,518 Speaker 1: story account. The guy has to swing, I mean, get 331 00:16:04,558 --> 00:16:06,398 Speaker 1: yourself in the scoring position. Give him a whole at 332 00:16:06,438 --> 00:16:10,318 Speaker 1: bat to try to get you in. Let's talk about defense. Okay, 333 00:16:10,318 --> 00:16:12,598 Speaker 1: a couple of plays at first base I wanted to 334 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:16,398 Speaker 1: get into. One was the play that Reese Hoskins really 335 00:16:16,438 --> 00:16:19,798 Speaker 1: didn't make without two day at third, Albarez HiT's a 336 00:16:20,038 --> 00:16:22,758 Speaker 1: kind of a chop ball up the line. Now left 337 00:16:22,758 --> 00:16:25,158 Speaker 1: handed hit in the box. The third basement is away 338 00:16:25,198 --> 00:16:26,998 Speaker 1: from the bag at third, so all two days able 339 00:16:26,998 --> 00:16:28,718 Speaker 1: to get a pretty good lead off third, pretty good 340 00:16:28,758 --> 00:16:33,078 Speaker 1: secondary lead, terrific base runner. He breaks quickly, so the 341 00:16:33,158 --> 00:16:35,838 Speaker 1: pressure is on Hoskins to make a play cleanly. He 342 00:16:35,998 --> 00:16:38,718 Speaker 1: doesn't make the play cleanly. I'm not sure he had 343 00:16:38,878 --> 00:16:41,798 Speaker 1: Jose Altivate at the plate, but any chance he had 344 00:16:41,838 --> 00:16:43,958 Speaker 1: of getting him was lost when he bobbled the ball. 345 00:16:44,598 --> 00:16:46,918 Speaker 1: That's the run that made the difference in the game, 346 00:16:47,158 --> 00:16:49,718 Speaker 1: so kudos to the Astros. He did have a trail 347 00:16:49,838 --> 00:16:52,278 Speaker 1: runner behind him, so it's not a super aggressive move 348 00:16:52,398 --> 00:16:54,958 Speaker 1: to go on contact. It's the right move, but really 349 00:16:54,998 --> 00:16:58,278 Speaker 1: good base running. Hoskins doesn't handle the ball cleanly. It's 350 00:16:58,318 --> 00:17:00,598 Speaker 1: not his strength with the glove. On the other side, 351 00:17:00,638 --> 00:17:02,878 Speaker 1: you've got Trey matt Ceni playing first base for the 352 00:17:02,918 --> 00:17:05,398 Speaker 1: first time in about a month he's thrown into the 353 00:17:05,438 --> 00:17:07,718 Speaker 1: game because you leave. Gurriel really kind of wrenched his 354 00:17:07,958 --> 00:17:10,438 Speaker 1: his right knee when he was caught in a rundown, 355 00:17:10,638 --> 00:17:12,918 Speaker 1: which was a terrible rundown by the Phillies, by the way, 356 00:17:13,478 --> 00:17:17,998 Speaker 1: but anyway, he hits a ground ball. Uh, Schwarber hits 357 00:17:17,998 --> 00:17:20,358 Speaker 1: a ground ball, actually a bullet of a ground ball 358 00:17:20,998 --> 00:17:23,358 Speaker 1: that man City made an unbelievable play on to save 359 00:17:23,398 --> 00:17:26,198 Speaker 1: the game at that point. But the reason it was 360 00:17:26,238 --> 00:17:29,798 Speaker 1: an unbelievable play is a great fundamental play and heads 361 00:17:29,878 --> 00:17:32,918 Speaker 1: up by the bench coach Joe is Spotta, because with 362 00:17:33,078 --> 00:17:36,518 Speaker 1: Schwarber in the box late in the game, you're protecting 363 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:39,718 Speaker 1: a lead. You don't want your first basement to jump 364 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:42,398 Speaker 1: off the bag when holding the run around the first 365 00:17:42,438 --> 00:17:46,918 Speaker 1: base and open up any space between you and the line. 366 00:17:47,678 --> 00:17:50,078 Speaker 1: A spot of reminded Man Seni of this, and Trey 367 00:17:50,158 --> 00:17:52,438 Speaker 1: probably knew anyway, but I always loved the coach not 368 00:17:52,558 --> 00:17:55,638 Speaker 1: assuming anything in the heat of the moment, remind the player. 369 00:17:56,278 --> 00:17:58,318 Speaker 1: So with Schuber in the box and he just pulled 370 00:17:58,358 --> 00:18:00,918 Speaker 1: the ball foul, by the way, Man Sini as the 371 00:18:00,998 --> 00:18:04,518 Speaker 1: pitcher goes to the plate hardly leaves the back once 372 00:18:04,558 --> 00:18:07,718 Speaker 1: the pitch is delivered and is in a perfect ready position, 373 00:18:08,398 --> 00:18:10,678 Speaker 1: and he's in position to make that play. It's the 374 00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:12,918 Speaker 1: only way he makes that play. The ball was scorched. 375 00:18:13,478 --> 00:18:15,518 Speaker 1: If he jumps off the bag and starts to cover 376 00:18:15,518 --> 00:18:17,918 Speaker 1: a little bit more of the right side, that ball 377 00:18:17,998 --> 00:18:20,718 Speaker 1: is a double. We go. We're still playing today, folks. 378 00:18:21,358 --> 00:18:23,798 Speaker 1: So a couple of plays by the first basement that 379 00:18:24,318 --> 00:18:26,238 Speaker 1: you know, if you weren't playing close attention, maybe you 380 00:18:26,238 --> 00:18:28,798 Speaker 1: didn't think they were too that big of a deal. 381 00:18:29,758 --> 00:18:31,798 Speaker 1: It mattered in the final score, no doubt about that. 382 00:18:32,238 --> 00:18:34,158 Speaker 1: That those are those are really big moments in your 383 00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:35,838 Speaker 1: right I mean, you know, you know the guys that 384 00:18:35,878 --> 00:18:37,718 Speaker 1: could hook the line in the latter part of the 385 00:18:37,758 --> 00:18:40,158 Speaker 1: game like that, a double absolutely scores the runner, etcetera. 386 00:18:40,838 --> 00:18:42,958 Speaker 1: And so yeah, you want to believe or know that 387 00:18:43,078 --> 00:18:45,918 Speaker 1: the defender knows that. But I'm here to tell you man, 388 00:18:46,358 --> 00:18:48,198 Speaker 1: most of the time, or almost all the time, they're 389 00:18:48,198 --> 00:18:52,158 Speaker 1: looking to the dug up for affirmation. And so it's 390 00:18:52,238 --> 00:18:54,918 Speaker 1: it's good that Joe had done that. And I'm you know, listen, guy, 391 00:18:55,038 --> 00:18:57,358 Speaker 1: I hear so many wonderful things about him. I'm sure 392 00:18:57,358 --> 00:18:59,278 Speaker 1: he was on top of it. In advance. But that 393 00:18:59,478 --> 00:19:02,078 Speaker 1: is the responsibility of the defensive coach on the infield 394 00:19:02,118 --> 00:19:06,198 Speaker 1: make sure because you can't assume anything and and I'm 395 00:19:06,278 --> 00:19:08,718 Speaker 1: not an assumptionist, and and when you do, that's what 396 00:19:08,878 --> 00:19:11,758 Speaker 1: you do get burnt. So great, great call on his part. 397 00:19:11,838 --> 00:19:14,478 Speaker 1: It's absolutely correct. I saw the play and the ball 398 00:19:14,598 --> 00:19:17,558 Speaker 1: was hit really really well. And furthermore, like I said, Mancini, 399 00:19:17,638 --> 00:19:20,278 Speaker 1: having not played in a bit, uh, you know, pretty 400 00:19:20,358 --> 00:19:22,478 Speaker 1: much played it as though as a catcher. Put his 401 00:19:22,518 --> 00:19:23,918 Speaker 1: body in front as much as he could. And that 402 00:19:24,078 --> 00:19:26,838 Speaker 1: was great also. But those are the little things. You're right, 403 00:19:27,038 --> 00:19:30,678 Speaker 1: there's all these little reminders. I like the the unspoken 404 00:19:30,758 --> 00:19:33,278 Speaker 1: communication coming from the dug out to the field that's 405 00:19:33,318 --> 00:19:35,398 Speaker 1: constant during the game. One of the things that I 406 00:19:35,518 --> 00:19:38,758 Speaker 1: like to have my my my team, my defensive team 407 00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:41,998 Speaker 1: learned in spring training. Listen, um, I want you to 408 00:19:42,038 --> 00:19:44,358 Speaker 1: look in every before every pitch, and I know you 409 00:19:44,438 --> 00:19:46,318 Speaker 1: know what you're doing out there, but if a coach 410 00:19:46,478 --> 00:19:49,278 Speaker 1: just needs you for a second, uh, just look at 411 00:19:49,318 --> 00:19:51,638 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we're doing or telling him something 412 00:19:51,718 --> 00:19:54,558 Speaker 1: per pitch. That's not that's not the case. But if 413 00:19:54,598 --> 00:19:56,478 Speaker 1: you're in the habit of always ice and the dug out. 414 00:19:56,478 --> 00:19:59,638 Speaker 1: That's Brian butterfield By said the dugout. Butter always wanted 415 00:19:59,718 --> 00:20:01,838 Speaker 1: his boys looking in prior to every pitch. And again, 416 00:20:01,878 --> 00:20:03,278 Speaker 1: it's not like I'm going to tell you something all 417 00:20:03,318 --> 00:20:05,398 Speaker 1: the time, but I don't want to have to try 418 00:20:05,438 --> 00:20:07,998 Speaker 1: to get your attention to start whistling and etcetera, and 419 00:20:08,078 --> 00:20:10,998 Speaker 1: then things get kind of confused or rushed at the end. 420 00:20:11,078 --> 00:20:13,478 Speaker 1: So I said the dugout, Eyes on the coach and 421 00:20:13,598 --> 00:20:15,398 Speaker 1: get right back to your spot. It takes a nano 422 00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:17,598 Speaker 1: second to get it done. And give me that would 423 00:20:17,598 --> 00:20:19,638 Speaker 1: be a well trained in field group. I love it. 424 00:20:20,278 --> 00:20:23,158 Speaker 1: And one more I want to ask you about. This 425 00:20:23,438 --> 00:20:26,238 Speaker 1: is first and third down and run of the eighth thing. 426 00:20:26,358 --> 00:20:29,398 Speaker 1: This is the beat right before the Mancini play at 427 00:20:29,438 --> 00:20:33,638 Speaker 1: first base office Schwarber's bat Brandon marsh who you had 428 00:20:33,718 --> 00:20:36,678 Speaker 1: with the Angels in the box. They bring in Ryan Pressley. 429 00:20:37,158 --> 00:20:40,478 Speaker 1: Great move by Dusty Baker. Pressley has pitched more than 430 00:20:40,598 --> 00:20:43,758 Speaker 1: three outs to close the game just once all year. 431 00:20:43,838 --> 00:20:46,318 Speaker 1: That was back in July. But folks, it's the Game 432 00:20:46,398 --> 00:20:49,038 Speaker 1: five of the World Series. He prepared his guy before 433 00:20:49,118 --> 00:20:50,958 Speaker 1: the game to be ready for more than three outs. 434 00:20:51,278 --> 00:20:54,598 Speaker 1: Pressley had no problem with it. You know, the fire 435 00:20:54,718 --> 00:20:56,798 Speaker 1: is hot, go get your best arm. He brings in 436 00:20:56,918 --> 00:21:01,878 Speaker 1: Pressley Marsh in the box here and he strikes out. 437 00:21:02,318 --> 00:21:04,318 Speaker 1: Pressley is good. You know, it's a tough bet. I 438 00:21:04,438 --> 00:21:07,758 Speaker 1: get it. Pressley has got amazing breaking ball stuff. But 439 00:21:07,918 --> 00:21:11,998 Speaker 1: first and third, one out. Man, it was rolling through 440 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:15,558 Speaker 1: my head, Joe, the Zim Special. But you've got to 441 00:21:15,598 --> 00:21:18,318 Speaker 1: get that run in the difference in this series, the 442 00:21:18,478 --> 00:21:22,198 Speaker 1: difference throughout the season when you play Houston is they 443 00:21:22,398 --> 00:21:26,358 Speaker 1: get way more strikeouts from their staff than they are 444 00:21:26,438 --> 00:21:29,638 Speaker 1: going to strike out in the box. The strikeout advantage 445 00:21:29,678 --> 00:21:33,358 Speaker 1: for the Houston Astros is enormous, especially when we get 446 00:21:33,478 --> 00:21:37,398 Speaker 1: into the bullpens. The ball has to be put in 447 00:21:37,558 --> 00:21:41,358 Speaker 1: play in that situation, somehow, some way get the ball 448 00:21:41,958 --> 00:21:45,238 Speaker 1: into the field to try to tie the game. Mark 449 00:21:45,318 --> 00:21:48,278 Speaker 1: strikes out your number nine hitter. I get it. You know, 450 00:21:48,318 --> 00:21:50,758 Speaker 1: I'm not blaming Brandon Mars again. Pressley is a really 451 00:21:50,838 --> 00:21:53,718 Speaker 1: tough picture. But man, it was rolling around my head 452 00:21:53,798 --> 00:21:57,758 Speaker 1: for that Zim Special. The safety squeeze. Well, that that's 453 00:21:57,798 --> 00:22:00,278 Speaker 1: called spring training. When you're in spring training, you have 454 00:22:00,398 --> 00:22:03,358 Speaker 1: to have guys understand you have to be able to 455 00:22:03,438 --> 00:22:06,318 Speaker 1: do certain things there's times you're not gonna be feeling 456 00:22:06,318 --> 00:22:08,198 Speaker 1: good at the at the play. Times you're gonna be 457 00:22:08,318 --> 00:22:11,078 Speaker 1: feeling overmatch at the plates. Sometimes, like you're suggesting, the 458 00:22:11,118 --> 00:22:13,078 Speaker 1: ball has to be moved at the play. You have 459 00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:16,158 Speaker 1: to nurture all these different components of your offense, and 460 00:22:16,678 --> 00:22:20,998 Speaker 1: sometimes I don't think guys apply enough mental um service 461 00:22:21,038 --> 00:22:23,958 Speaker 1: to tow it. Just got to really really believe that 462 00:22:24,118 --> 00:22:25,958 Speaker 1: this is important. And if you believe it's important, you'll 463 00:22:25,998 --> 00:22:28,038 Speaker 1: learn how to do it. So for me, it's hard. 464 00:22:28,078 --> 00:22:30,278 Speaker 1: I mean, Marchy's not really good at that. He was 465 00:22:30,318 --> 00:22:31,838 Speaker 1: not going to bring the ball with him very well. 466 00:22:32,478 --> 00:22:36,438 Speaker 1: I'm sure Robbie knew that he's he's he's. He was 467 00:22:36,518 --> 00:22:38,918 Speaker 1: a decent butter turn into a decent butter, primarily to 468 00:22:38,998 --> 00:22:41,678 Speaker 1: the left side, the drag side, um, I mean the 469 00:22:41,758 --> 00:22:44,838 Speaker 1: push side, because he just doesn't. But it's been my take, 470 00:22:45,038 --> 00:22:48,438 Speaker 1: believe it or not, um, that play the safety squeeze 471 00:22:48,918 --> 00:22:50,918 Speaker 1: most of the time has worked well with right handed 472 00:22:50,958 --> 00:22:53,358 Speaker 1: hitters to push the ball to the right side. I've 473 00:22:53,398 --> 00:22:55,278 Speaker 1: had very few lefties that could bring it with them 474 00:22:55,398 --> 00:22:56,878 Speaker 1: and bring it with them well, which is where you 475 00:22:56,918 --> 00:22:59,478 Speaker 1: want the ball to be buttoned on the first base side, 476 00:22:59,518 --> 00:23:02,838 Speaker 1: so there was again I'm certain that Robbie knew that, 477 00:23:02,998 --> 00:23:05,478 Speaker 1: And is it Pressley a little bit of reverse with 478 00:23:05,638 --> 00:23:07,878 Speaker 1: guy to um, I'm not even sure. I thought that 479 00:23:07,918 --> 00:23:09,558 Speaker 1: he may have. He might have been, but I'm telling 480 00:23:09,598 --> 00:23:12,198 Speaker 1: you he throws a ton of breaking pitches and they're 481 00:23:12,598 --> 00:23:15,198 Speaker 1: they're just as effective, if not more so against lefties. 482 00:23:15,358 --> 00:23:17,558 Speaker 1: But I get your point. That's my point. And we 483 00:23:17,598 --> 00:23:19,918 Speaker 1: look at these guys, were not really sure as fans 484 00:23:20,038 --> 00:23:24,038 Speaker 1: or viewers who can actually bunt, you know, And it's 485 00:23:24,078 --> 00:23:26,798 Speaker 1: a great point, and you can't assume that a lot 486 00:23:26,918 --> 00:23:30,358 Speaker 1: of these guys, even guys hitting under two hundred, know 487 00:23:30,558 --> 00:23:32,638 Speaker 1: how to put a bunt down. Well, it happened to 488 00:23:32,758 --> 00:23:35,998 Speaker 1: us in the in the playoffs against the Cardinals in St. Louis. 489 00:23:35,998 --> 00:23:38,478 Speaker 1: Garcia was pitching and we had I think was Kyle 490 00:23:38,518 --> 00:23:41,038 Speaker 1: Hendricks that put it first safety squeezed down and the 491 00:23:41,078 --> 00:23:42,478 Speaker 1: ball stowing away. Then all of a sudden we have 492 00:23:42,518 --> 00:23:44,958 Speaker 1: another first and third and I can't remember my I 493 00:23:44,998 --> 00:23:47,718 Speaker 1: don't remember who was hitting after him at that point. 494 00:23:47,718 --> 00:23:50,118 Speaker 1: It's probably the number he could have been hitting, eighth 495 00:23:50,198 --> 00:23:52,038 Speaker 1: and then the ninth hitter, I'm not sure, but we 496 00:23:52,438 --> 00:23:55,158 Speaker 1: came back with back to back safety squeezes and all 497 00:23:55,198 --> 00:23:57,038 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that was the end of the game. 498 00:23:57,238 --> 00:23:59,078 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what it does to a team 499 00:23:59,118 --> 00:24:03,278 Speaker 1: when you successfully execute that play. It really um causes 500 00:24:03,358 --> 00:24:06,198 Speaker 1: them to step back. A lot of times something good 501 00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:08,838 Speaker 1: happens in the aftermath of that passed the one run 502 00:24:08,958 --> 00:24:11,958 Speaker 1: just because UH teams get taken but even though they 503 00:24:11,998 --> 00:24:13,798 Speaker 1: know it might happen, even though they prepare for it, 504 00:24:14,198 --> 00:24:16,958 Speaker 1: if it's executed properly, it definitely put you on your heels. 505 00:24:17,558 --> 00:24:19,318 Speaker 1: And again this goes back to spring training, and you 506 00:24:19,398 --> 00:24:22,318 Speaker 1: have to understand that this one moment occurred on November 507 00:24:22,438 --> 00:24:25,238 Speaker 1: what third yesterday. That's something that you really and I 508 00:24:25,318 --> 00:24:26,878 Speaker 1: do talk about it in spring train. This you know, 509 00:24:27,078 --> 00:24:28,918 Speaker 1: this may happen in June, July or even in a 510 00:24:28,958 --> 00:24:32,598 Speaker 1: playoff situation, but you have to apply enough mental energy 511 00:24:32,758 --> 00:24:35,598 Speaker 1: into the play and believe that it's important in order 512 00:24:35,718 --> 00:24:39,198 Speaker 1: to UH achieve it and be good at it. So 513 00:24:39,758 --> 00:24:42,798 Speaker 1: that's it. I mean, you're right, it would have been 514 00:24:42,838 --> 00:24:45,318 Speaker 1: in my head, but I would also know if my thunder, 515 00:24:45,478 --> 00:24:47,038 Speaker 1: my heater could have done it or not, And if 516 00:24:47,078 --> 00:24:49,078 Speaker 1: you could not, I would have had to shy away 517 00:24:49,078 --> 00:24:52,278 Speaker 1: from it. Also, listen, you know, I know, baseball is 518 00:24:52,478 --> 00:24:55,958 Speaker 1: just a beautiful game. And there were more reasons on 519 00:24:56,078 --> 00:24:59,118 Speaker 1: the field to remind us of that last night, and 520 00:24:59,238 --> 00:25:07,998 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that next Welcome back to the Book 521 00:25:08,038 --> 00:25:13,398 Speaker 1: of Joe Podcasts. What an unbelievable catch by Chas McCormick 522 00:25:13,878 --> 00:25:17,438 Speaker 1: of the Astros. JT Real Muto hit what looked for 523 00:25:17,598 --> 00:25:21,238 Speaker 1: sure to be probably a double with his speed, likely 524 00:25:21,438 --> 00:25:25,918 Speaker 1: a triple representing the tying run in the eighth inning 525 00:25:26,398 --> 00:25:29,318 Speaker 1: of Game five, and Chas McCormick, playing center field, one 526 00:25:29,318 --> 00:25:31,478 Speaker 1: of the rare players by the way, who bats right 527 00:25:31,558 --> 00:25:37,358 Speaker 1: handed and throws left handed, made an unbelievable catch running 528 00:25:37,558 --> 00:25:40,438 Speaker 1: toward the right center field gap up against the wall 529 00:25:40,798 --> 00:25:44,438 Speaker 1: to really save the game for me. Chas McCormick is 530 00:25:44,478 --> 00:25:47,518 Speaker 1: a guy who undrafted at a high school, by the way. 531 00:25:47,518 --> 00:25:50,998 Speaker 1: He went to be Reed Henderson High about thirty miles 532 00:25:51,078 --> 00:25:55,478 Speaker 1: outside of Philadelphia, rooting for the Phillies, and he has 533 00:25:55,558 --> 00:25:59,478 Speaker 1: no college, big time college scholarship offers. He picks the 534 00:25:59,598 --> 00:26:05,238 Speaker 1: Division two Millersville Marauders of the Peace Pennsylvania State Athletic 535 00:26:05,318 --> 00:26:10,798 Speaker 1: Conference baseball powerhouse. Right he gets drafted, seen by the 536 00:26:10,878 --> 00:26:14,598 Speaker 1: Astros as a fourth year senior in a round that 537 00:26:14,758 --> 00:26:18,158 Speaker 1: no longer even exists, the twenty one round. And here 538 00:26:18,198 --> 00:26:21,438 Speaker 1: he is in the World Series, playing virtually at home. 539 00:26:22,358 --> 00:26:26,958 Speaker 1: He's got twenty friends and family in the stands, including 540 00:26:27,358 --> 00:26:30,958 Speaker 1: his high school coaches, and he gets his high school 541 00:26:30,998 --> 00:26:34,918 Speaker 1: coaches tickets to World Series games and they said, that's awesome. 542 00:26:34,958 --> 00:26:36,478 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you there. But you know what, 543 00:26:36,798 --> 00:26:39,158 Speaker 1: we're rooting for the Phillies. So he's getting tickets for 544 00:26:39,198 --> 00:26:40,838 Speaker 1: guys who are rooting for the Phillies. And he's like, 545 00:26:40,958 --> 00:26:44,518 Speaker 1: I completely understand. I used to tell you every player 546 00:26:44,598 --> 00:26:47,478 Speaker 1: on the roster back in the early two thousand's with 547 00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:50,878 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies. So he gets it. Local kid makes good, right. 548 00:26:50,878 --> 00:26:54,598 Speaker 1: It's a great story. He's even got a food name 549 00:26:54,758 --> 00:26:57,798 Speaker 1: named after him at Minute Made Park, Joe, that's how 550 00:26:57,878 --> 00:27:02,518 Speaker 1: popular he is. It's called the Mac and Chaz Brisket, 551 00:27:02,838 --> 00:27:08,518 Speaker 1: green onions, barbecue sauce over macaroni and cheese. I just 552 00:27:08,718 --> 00:27:12,438 Speaker 1: love these stories of these guys who come to who 553 00:27:12,518 --> 00:27:15,758 Speaker 1: come to make they make it major League Baseball, and 554 00:27:16,318 --> 00:27:18,798 Speaker 1: it seems like they come out of nowhere. But man, 555 00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:20,838 Speaker 1: it reminds me of our Book of Joe Book Joe 556 00:27:21,518 --> 00:27:24,758 Speaker 1: the struggle. It's all about the struggle. You'd like to 557 00:27:24,798 --> 00:27:28,478 Speaker 1: see struggles rewarded. Well, the thing about that catch through 558 00:27:28,518 --> 00:27:30,718 Speaker 1: to him for me is the high wall and it's 559 00:27:30,758 --> 00:27:32,878 Speaker 1: a chain link high wall. It's not a padded wall. 560 00:27:32,958 --> 00:27:35,078 Speaker 1: And further, what he's going at it at an angle. Normally, 561 00:27:35,118 --> 00:27:37,198 Speaker 1: when you get to a high wall and there's a 562 00:27:37,238 --> 00:27:38,958 Speaker 1: flyball hit, you want to get to the wall as 563 00:27:39,038 --> 00:27:41,038 Speaker 1: much as early as you can, and then you play 564 00:27:41,078 --> 00:27:42,958 Speaker 1: along the wall on a high wall, and you never 565 00:27:43,118 --> 00:27:45,638 Speaker 1: jump against the wall with your butt face and all. 566 00:27:45,678 --> 00:27:47,678 Speaker 1: You gotta always get sideways so that you can get 567 00:27:47,718 --> 00:27:50,638 Speaker 1: up in the air. Um, he timed that thing perfectly. 568 00:27:51,238 --> 00:27:54,158 Speaker 1: The ball was it was like what another six inches hire. 569 00:27:54,238 --> 00:27:55,998 Speaker 1: He could not have caught it. Everything he did was 570 00:27:56,158 --> 00:27:59,118 Speaker 1: right in regards to the technique and catching that ball. 571 00:28:00,038 --> 00:28:01,598 Speaker 1: That's a tough play. I'm here to tell you that's 572 00:28:01,638 --> 00:28:04,078 Speaker 1: a tough play. But it's a normal FLANSI offensive bit 573 00:28:04,118 --> 00:28:05,558 Speaker 1: more round that he could have gotten there in it's 574 00:28:05,598 --> 00:28:10,398 Speaker 1: padded and he could have really braced himself forgotten himself 575 00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:12,478 Speaker 1: to a position even a little bit better. But when 576 00:28:12,518 --> 00:28:14,678 Speaker 1: it's a high wall at chain link hie wall on 577 00:28:14,798 --> 00:28:17,398 Speaker 1: an angle like that, and his body and the ball 578 00:28:17,478 --> 00:28:20,358 Speaker 1: and everything just intersected at that one particular point and 579 00:28:20,438 --> 00:28:23,158 Speaker 1: he had to be there. There's no adjusting at the 580 00:28:23,238 --> 00:28:25,518 Speaker 1: end of that thing. It was that good. It was 581 00:28:25,638 --> 00:28:28,198 Speaker 1: that good at that's that's a really one of the 582 00:28:28,238 --> 00:28:30,118 Speaker 1: more difficult plays and out there there has to make 583 00:28:30,158 --> 00:28:31,678 Speaker 1: a specially, like I said, with the high wall, to 584 00:28:31,758 --> 00:28:35,678 Speaker 1: give the kid credit. Man, that was outstanding, It really was, 585 00:28:35,838 --> 00:28:39,558 Speaker 1: and I was really impressed by that. And back back 586 00:28:39,598 --> 00:28:41,558 Speaker 1: to the left handant right handed left handant to a 587 00:28:41,638 --> 00:28:43,958 Speaker 1: right hand hit or two of my favorite players of 588 00:28:43,998 --> 00:28:47,398 Speaker 1: all time, Rickey Henderson and Clean Jones. Oh yeah, Clean 589 00:28:47,518 --> 00:28:50,358 Speaker 1: Jones caught the last out of the nineteen World Series. 590 00:28:51,318 --> 00:28:54,918 Speaker 1: Rickey Henderson, he might be a top five all time player. 591 00:28:54,918 --> 00:28:59,118 Speaker 1: Are so good? Yeah, absolutely? And Sandy Kofax. By the way, 592 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:03,438 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of throw left or bat left, throw left, 593 00:29:03,478 --> 00:29:06,198 Speaker 1: bat right players in the Hall of Fame, but a 594 00:29:06,278 --> 00:29:10,078 Speaker 1: bunch of them are pitchers, Randy Johnson, Sandy Kofax. So 595 00:29:10,278 --> 00:29:13,158 Speaker 1: just remember that the next time you get that trivia question. Hey, 596 00:29:13,238 --> 00:29:17,078 Speaker 1: and another another great story. If you look at the 597 00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:20,558 Speaker 1: designated hitters in the game last night, you've got Bryce Harper. 598 00:29:20,638 --> 00:29:24,358 Speaker 1: Of course, Sports Illustrated cover boy at sixteen, two time 599 00:29:24,478 --> 00:29:28,598 Speaker 1: m v P million dollar contract and for the Houston Astros. 600 00:29:28,718 --> 00:29:34,278 Speaker 1: David Hensley. David Hensley was drafted in the round as 601 00:29:34,358 --> 00:29:39,398 Speaker 1: a fourth year college senior at San Diego State who 602 00:29:39,518 --> 00:29:44,518 Speaker 1: was signed by the Astros for one thousand dollars one grand. 603 00:29:44,798 --> 00:29:49,078 Speaker 1: Come play baseball two years ago during the COVID season 604 00:29:49,118 --> 00:29:51,958 Speaker 1: when it was no minor league baseball. The dude was 605 00:29:52,038 --> 00:29:56,958 Speaker 1: moving boxes at a tile warehouse tile and marble warehouse 606 00:29:56,998 --> 00:29:59,918 Speaker 1: in San Diego. Moving around the boxes, he said, is 607 00:29:59,958 --> 00:30:01,918 Speaker 1: how he got a little bit stronger and started developed 608 00:30:01,958 --> 00:30:04,518 Speaker 1: some pop. And here he is starting a game of 609 00:30:04,518 --> 00:30:07,838 Speaker 1: the World Series with just thirty four plate appearances in 610 00:30:07,878 --> 00:30:10,638 Speaker 1: the big leagues before the World Series. It's only been 611 00:30:10,718 --> 00:30:14,118 Speaker 1: two players in the history of the game with fewer 612 00:30:14,278 --> 00:30:18,318 Speaker 1: plate appearances when they got a World Series start, and 613 00:30:18,398 --> 00:30:22,918 Speaker 1: that was back in nine. So good on these guys. 614 00:30:22,958 --> 00:30:25,758 Speaker 1: I love these stories. Joe about the struggle. Yeah, and 615 00:30:26,158 --> 00:30:29,038 Speaker 1: hence Ley, I could really eat more easily identify with 616 00:30:29,158 --> 00:30:32,478 Speaker 1: him than I can with Bryce's uh glorious past. The 617 00:30:32,518 --> 00:30:34,158 Speaker 1: fact that they went to San Diego State. I'm a 618 00:30:34,198 --> 00:30:37,158 Speaker 1: big fan. I worked with coach Jim Deep stair for 619 00:30:37,558 --> 00:30:40,198 Speaker 1: a year up in Boulder, Colorado. That's where I got 620 00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:42,678 Speaker 1: to play with Tony Gwynn. San Diego stayed as a 621 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:46,438 Speaker 1: great baseball history. Buddy Black, all these guys that went 622 00:30:46,558 --> 00:30:49,358 Speaker 1: down there. I love to hear San Diego State stories. 623 00:30:49,358 --> 00:30:51,758 Speaker 1: I just I just like we've talked about in the book. Also, 624 00:30:51,798 --> 00:30:55,158 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the southern California UM school 625 00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:58,078 Speaker 1: system regarding teaching baseball though, the coaches, the mentors that 626 00:30:58,158 --> 00:31:01,078 Speaker 1: they've had, and especially pretty much I think from l 627 00:31:01,158 --> 00:31:02,678 Speaker 1: A area all the way down. I only know this 628 00:31:02,838 --> 00:31:05,918 Speaker 1: because I as a California Angel when I first signed 629 00:31:05,918 --> 00:31:08,358 Speaker 1: and went out there and Larry Hymes made me a 630 00:31:08,438 --> 00:31:11,318 Speaker 1: scout and a minor league manager, and I was I was. 631 00:31:11,518 --> 00:31:14,118 Speaker 1: I was taught by all these scouts that grew up there. 632 00:31:14,158 --> 00:31:17,318 Speaker 1: Steve grew well as as a perfect example, Cohen Luke, 633 00:31:17,398 --> 00:31:19,878 Speaker 1: Cohen Ouer. I've talked about Lloyd Christopher and then the 634 00:31:19,958 --> 00:31:23,598 Speaker 1: coaches in that area from Dave Snow at Long Beach 635 00:31:23,678 --> 00:31:27,558 Speaker 1: State as an example, Algie Garrito, all these guys, Nick Discarto, 636 00:31:27,598 --> 00:31:30,598 Speaker 1: all these guys that teach baseball down here. Uh, it's 637 00:31:30,598 --> 00:31:34,318 Speaker 1: an incredible group. Herbald coach herbal that Lakewood High School. 638 00:31:34,318 --> 00:31:38,318 Speaker 1: It's a very conservative method of coaching baseball, which I love, 639 00:31:39,198 --> 00:31:42,318 Speaker 1: meaning fundamentals that they're very fundamentally sound and their teaching 640 00:31:42,798 --> 00:31:44,838 Speaker 1: and I was, so I'm so grateful that I was 641 00:31:44,918 --> 00:31:46,958 Speaker 1: influenced by this group. And I talked about Bob Clear, 642 00:31:46,998 --> 00:31:49,558 Speaker 1: Bob Louke of course, and mar So Lashman, all part 643 00:31:49,638 --> 00:31:52,718 Speaker 1: of this structure down there. So I I get it. 644 00:31:52,878 --> 00:31:55,438 Speaker 1: I get it, and you're gonna find a thousand dollar 645 00:31:55,678 --> 00:31:59,518 Speaker 1: pick out of San Diego State. It's capable of doing 646 00:31:59,598 --> 00:32:01,398 Speaker 1: something like that. He was raised well back there by 647 00:32:01,438 --> 00:32:03,718 Speaker 1: that group. He probably played for Tony I think I 648 00:32:03,798 --> 00:32:06,558 Speaker 1: know type France did also, they did for one year 649 00:32:06,758 --> 00:32:09,598 Speaker 1: and it was probably influenced by him, So good for him. 650 00:32:09,638 --> 00:32:12,198 Speaker 1: I again, I'm with I love that, But then I 651 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,838 Speaker 1: could really resonates with me knowing a lot of that. 652 00:32:15,398 --> 00:32:18,198 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the mid to late seventies and early 653 00:32:18,318 --> 00:32:20,718 Speaker 1: eighties when I was Scott and even Carolin Danley, the 654 00:32:20,798 --> 00:32:23,998 Speaker 1: umpire I scouted k D when he played at San 655 00:32:24,038 --> 00:32:26,838 Speaker 1: Diego State. So it's great to hear that he was 656 00:32:26,838 --> 00:32:28,878 Speaker 1: an All American and he was an All American in 657 00:32:28,958 --> 00:32:31,718 Speaker 1: that outfield and Tony Gwinn wasn't. That's how good of 658 00:32:31,798 --> 00:32:33,838 Speaker 1: a player Danley was. Katie was a good line I 659 00:32:33,918 --> 00:32:35,558 Speaker 1: used to remind him of that before games, that he 660 00:32:35,598 --> 00:32:37,198 Speaker 1: was an up. I said, man, you could do the line, 661 00:32:37,278 --> 00:32:40,118 Speaker 1: drive the right center as good as anybody. Uh. It was. 662 00:32:40,198 --> 00:32:42,998 Speaker 1: It was a fun place. I'm happy for the guy's success. 663 00:32:43,078 --> 00:32:46,758 Speaker 1: I've been watching and hopefully he gets another opportunity to 664 00:32:46,878 --> 00:32:49,438 Speaker 1: do something even greater in the next couple of games. 665 00:32:49,478 --> 00:32:52,518 Speaker 1: But kudos to San Diego State. Yeah, and kudos to 666 00:32:52,638 --> 00:32:55,038 Speaker 1: the scouts who put their eyes on these guys, the 667 00:32:55,118 --> 00:32:58,238 Speaker 1: Chas McCormick's, the David Hensley's of the world, and they said, 668 00:32:58,318 --> 00:33:02,358 Speaker 1: you know what, there's something there, there's something there the 669 00:33:02,638 --> 00:33:06,798 Speaker 1: backbone of the game that you know yourself doing it yourself, Joe, 670 00:33:06,878 --> 00:33:08,958 Speaker 1: how many hours they put it, how many miles they 671 00:33:09,038 --> 00:33:11,638 Speaker 1: put in. But there's something about seeing something in a 672 00:33:11,758 --> 00:33:16,358 Speaker 1: player and projecting not the certainty, but even the possibility 673 00:33:16,758 --> 00:33:20,398 Speaker 1: that one of these guys drafted twenty one round, twenty 674 00:33:20,478 --> 00:33:23,358 Speaker 1: six round can turn into big leagues players. That's that 675 00:33:23,798 --> 00:33:27,718 Speaker 1: is maybe a gift for sure, but it's definitely a skill. 676 00:33:27,958 --> 00:33:29,838 Speaker 1: Well there's a point of that too. I just quickly 677 00:33:29,958 --> 00:33:32,958 Speaker 1: is that the area scout that fought for him. Also, 678 00:33:33,038 --> 00:33:35,718 Speaker 1: it's really matters there's the area. Scouts will get a 679 00:33:35,838 --> 00:33:38,878 Speaker 1: feel on somebody that they're watching and they're able then 680 00:33:38,958 --> 00:33:41,278 Speaker 1: to take that to their scouting director. And it's an 681 00:33:41,518 --> 00:33:44,918 Speaker 1: and not an argument. It's a strong discussion. Um, it's 682 00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:47,718 Speaker 1: something that you really feel strongly about a particular player. 683 00:33:48,158 --> 00:33:51,038 Speaker 1: He's not part of the conversation because when scouts sit 684 00:33:51,078 --> 00:33:53,678 Speaker 1: in the stands, there's a lot of conversation and a 685 00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:55,758 Speaker 1: lot of it centers around just a couple of players. 686 00:33:56,158 --> 00:33:58,078 Speaker 1: But if you're able to find that diamond in the rough, 687 00:33:58,158 --> 00:34:00,598 Speaker 1: that one dude that nobody else is onto, and it 688 00:34:00,678 --> 00:34:02,518 Speaker 1: really takes kind of the lone wolf to do lone 689 00:34:02,558 --> 00:34:04,158 Speaker 1: wolf to do those kind of things. And then it 690 00:34:04,238 --> 00:34:06,758 Speaker 1: takes a strong argument with the scotting the record to 691 00:34:06,798 --> 00:34:08,998 Speaker 1: get this scup on your draft board and hopefully that 692 00:34:09,078 --> 00:34:11,078 Speaker 1: he might like him. Alster, one of your cross checkers, 693 00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:13,718 Speaker 1: it's it is. It's great scouting, and I equally look 694 00:34:13,758 --> 00:34:16,118 Speaker 1: to hear those kind of stories. Uh. And I have 695 00:34:16,238 --> 00:34:18,078 Speaker 1: to ask you about a word that gets thrown out 696 00:34:18,238 --> 00:34:21,038 Speaker 1: around way too much this time of year. Playoff baseball 697 00:34:21,318 --> 00:34:25,598 Speaker 1: momentum I mean, folks, these games you can see night tonight, 698 00:34:26,158 --> 00:34:28,678 Speaker 1: you don't know what you're getting. I mean, there's no 699 00:34:28,878 --> 00:34:33,118 Speaker 1: narratives for people, and that each game, each inning, each 700 00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:36,558 Speaker 1: of bat is a story unto itself. So I gotta 701 00:34:36,598 --> 00:34:39,158 Speaker 1: ask you and your days managing in the postseason, Joe, 702 00:34:39,998 --> 00:34:42,198 Speaker 1: were you even aware of things like this? And we 703 00:34:42,358 --> 00:34:45,398 Speaker 1: keep asking, like as the series goes back to Houston, 704 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:49,118 Speaker 1: everybody's going to ask and the last the players this too, 705 00:34:49,198 --> 00:34:51,678 Speaker 1: which I think is so unfair. Who has the momentum? 706 00:34:52,638 --> 00:34:55,638 Speaker 1: I mean, is it's something doesn't matter? Did you feel 707 00:34:55,678 --> 00:34:58,718 Speaker 1: anything like that in a postseason series? Earl is right, 708 00:34:58,798 --> 00:35:01,198 Speaker 1: it's really about the next day starting picture that that 709 00:35:01,478 --> 00:35:03,798 Speaker 1: that that's the person that creates momentum. It has not 710 00:35:03,958 --> 00:35:06,838 Speaker 1: thing to do with the day before. Two thousand two, Angels, 711 00:35:06,878 --> 00:35:09,518 Speaker 1: we were down three games to two, going back to 712 00:35:10,038 --> 00:35:13,358 Speaker 1: Anaheim and win that one with the Chicago Cubs in 713 00:35:14,238 --> 00:35:18,038 Speaker 1: We're down three to one in Chicago, uh, And it 714 00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:20,638 Speaker 1: took KB Chris Bryant hit a home run a left 715 00:35:20,678 --> 00:35:24,318 Speaker 1: central against our bower to to to tie us up 716 00:35:24,358 --> 00:35:27,598 Speaker 1: and then eventually go back to Cleveland have to win 717 00:35:27,638 --> 00:35:30,518 Speaker 1: two games. And it's all about starting pitching. It's about 718 00:35:30,558 --> 00:35:32,358 Speaker 1: your group. I mean, it really is it just I 719 00:35:32,398 --> 00:35:35,558 Speaker 1: could even if I could recreate the story about when 720 00:35:35,638 --> 00:35:38,798 Speaker 1: Jason Heyward talked to the boys during the raindowly it's 721 00:35:38,838 --> 00:35:41,358 Speaker 1: it's about your group. It's about the toughness and within 722 00:35:41,478 --> 00:35:45,118 Speaker 1: that group, it's about not caving in, it's not giving up. 723 00:35:45,238 --> 00:35:48,478 Speaker 1: It's um, it's putting out that positive vibe all the time. 724 00:35:48,718 --> 00:35:51,678 Speaker 1: But yeah, momentum is about starting pitching. The other day, 725 00:35:52,118 --> 00:35:54,358 Speaker 1: McCuller has had a bad day and all of a sudden, 726 00:35:54,358 --> 00:35:55,998 Speaker 1: the Phillies are hitting home runs all over the place, 727 00:35:56,078 --> 00:35:59,238 Speaker 1: and everybody considered the phillis well and that the hitting 728 00:35:59,318 --> 00:36:01,118 Speaker 1: is back, and that it's over and it's the only 729 00:36:01,158 --> 00:36:03,118 Speaker 1: have to do. Us went two more games and now 730 00:36:03,158 --> 00:36:06,398 Speaker 1: the onus is on the other foot starting pitching. Uh. 731 00:36:06,838 --> 00:36:09,158 Speaker 1: Javierre showed that, and then yesterday Virial Landar in the 732 00:36:09,158 --> 00:36:12,398 Speaker 1: bullpen showed that, so, um, you can't, you can't. It's 733 00:36:12,438 --> 00:36:15,158 Speaker 1: it's it's a nice narrative. It it creates talk show 734 00:36:15,598 --> 00:36:20,958 Speaker 1: or radio talk talk radio kind of banter. But it doesn't. 735 00:36:21,038 --> 00:36:24,158 Speaker 1: It doesn't. The players don't feel that at all, not whatsoever. 736 00:36:24,518 --> 00:36:27,678 Speaker 1: They're more concerned about his pitching the first game in Houston? 737 00:36:27,758 --> 00:36:29,078 Speaker 1: How do I prep for him? How do I feel 738 00:36:29,078 --> 00:36:31,998 Speaker 1: against this guy? Do I see him? Well? Are? Those 739 00:36:32,038 --> 00:36:33,758 Speaker 1: are the kind of things that are about and important. 740 00:36:33,798 --> 00:36:35,758 Speaker 1: So all this other stuff, it's wonderful though. It's great 741 00:36:35,758 --> 00:36:39,038 Speaker 1: to hear all this stuff. It creates conversation, it creates controversy. 742 00:36:39,118 --> 00:36:42,478 Speaker 1: But otherwise, who's ever starting that day? You always look 743 00:36:42,518 --> 00:36:44,678 Speaker 1: at the at the at the bump on the mountain there, 744 00:36:45,158 --> 00:36:47,518 Speaker 1: and who's ever the better, whoever has the advantage in 745 00:36:47,598 --> 00:36:49,918 Speaker 1: that particular position, normal has a better chance of winning 746 00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:53,078 Speaker 1: the game, Well said, I like that. Hey, before we 747 00:36:53,158 --> 00:36:55,638 Speaker 1: get out of here, Joe, our talk about Chas McCormick, 748 00:36:55,758 --> 00:36:58,318 Speaker 1: David Hensley, the struggle the guys who make at the 749 00:36:58,358 --> 00:37:03,198 Speaker 1: scouts got me thinking about rock and roll and scouting. 750 00:37:03,958 --> 00:37:05,838 Speaker 1: The guys who are the late round picks or the 751 00:37:05,918 --> 00:37:09,518 Speaker 1: bands that would be late round picks. Okay, So if 752 00:37:09,558 --> 00:37:14,598 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper is Bruce Springsteen, Okay, I'm going from my 753 00:37:14,718 --> 00:37:19,998 Speaker 1: David Hensley, Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes. So you 754 00:37:20,118 --> 00:37:23,958 Speaker 1: gotta give me a late round draft pick rock and 755 00:37:24,118 --> 00:37:28,398 Speaker 1: roll band that you would recommend to your area scout 756 00:37:28,518 --> 00:37:30,398 Speaker 1: to go check out. Well, I mean, does that be 757 00:37:30,558 --> 00:37:34,158 Speaker 1: rock and roll or could well? I mean for me, 758 00:37:34,838 --> 00:37:37,838 Speaker 1: you can go off. You know there's a couple, I 759 00:37:37,878 --> 00:37:42,238 Speaker 1: mean the Southern rock from that particularly you're in the 760 00:37:42,318 --> 00:37:47,158 Speaker 1: mid seventies. I loved like Molly Hatchett, really big fan 761 00:37:47,358 --> 00:37:50,358 Speaker 1: of that particular group. Um, there was New Writers with 762 00:37:50,398 --> 00:37:52,958 Speaker 1: the Purple Sage. Loved that particular group, and then Pure 763 00:37:52,998 --> 00:37:55,918 Speaker 1: Prairie League. I mean these are like actually low rounds 764 00:37:55,958 --> 00:37:58,318 Speaker 1: draft choices. I guess, as you're saying, maybe like a 765 00:37:58,438 --> 00:38:01,718 Speaker 1: niche kind of a group. But anytime I'm listening to 766 00:38:01,758 --> 00:38:03,678 Speaker 1: the radio in the morning, if any of those groups 767 00:38:03,758 --> 00:38:06,478 Speaker 1: come on, man Dreams, I'll never see by Molly hatch 768 00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:10,678 Speaker 1: at the beginning of that song just stops me every time. So, um, 769 00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:15,238 Speaker 1: I would say Southern rock. Uh, that that's really and 770 00:38:15,398 --> 00:38:18,558 Speaker 1: and uh what is the particular the Outlaws? I was 771 00:38:18,758 --> 00:38:22,878 Speaker 1: just gonna say that the Outlaws are so good. What's 772 00:38:22,958 --> 00:38:25,718 Speaker 1: the song? I'm trying to grass green grass and high 773 00:38:25,758 --> 00:38:31,318 Speaker 1: time grass and high Tides. Yeah, great, good driving. Correct, 774 00:38:31,398 --> 00:38:35,238 Speaker 1: that's dark. You gotta be dark, nothing around you, nobody 775 00:38:35,318 --> 00:38:38,558 Speaker 1: to hear it interfere with your listening pleasure. Really, Delta, 776 00:38:38,638 --> 00:38:41,398 Speaker 1: be really loud and go and go for the Outlaws. 777 00:38:41,438 --> 00:38:43,198 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Outlaws on this. But now that we've 778 00:38:43,478 --> 00:38:47,558 Speaker 1: talked it away through Outlaws um and the green Grass 779 00:38:47,598 --> 00:38:50,478 Speaker 1: and high Tides, it's one of the best ever. Very cool. Yeah, 780 00:38:50,518 --> 00:38:53,398 Speaker 1: someday we're gonna have to do our our music draft. 781 00:38:53,798 --> 00:38:58,478 Speaker 1: Yeah right, okay, I'll be fun cool man, very cool. Hey, 782 00:38:58,718 --> 00:39:00,358 Speaker 1: maybe it'll be next time. I don't know, but the 783 00:39:00,438 --> 00:39:04,358 Speaker 1: next time we talk, we might have a World Series champion, 784 00:39:04,558 --> 00:39:08,318 Speaker 1: Euston Astros going for the title. And I'm sure next 785 00:39:08,358 --> 00:39:11,238 Speaker 1: time we'll talk about this, what it will mean for 786 00:39:11,318 --> 00:39:17,078 Speaker 1: the Houston Astros Visa Vien and let's face it, a 787 00:39:17,278 --> 00:39:21,478 Speaker 1: tainted championship from seventeen, so we'll talk about that and 788 00:39:21,518 --> 00:39:26,158 Speaker 1: of course anything else that comes up in the meantime. Joe, 789 00:39:26,238 --> 00:39:27,958 Speaker 1: always a pleasure to look forward to the next time. 790 00:39:27,998 --> 00:39:29,918 Speaker 1: What do you got? Thank you? Brother? I got a 791 00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:32,478 Speaker 1: very nice one from Terry Kennedy, a friend of mine, 792 00:39:32,518 --> 00:39:35,238 Speaker 1: and his dad was Bob Kennedy, who was a friend 793 00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:37,958 Speaker 1: of Ted Williams. But I think this is absolutely pertinent. 794 00:39:38,598 --> 00:39:41,278 Speaker 1: Most slump slumps are like the common cold the last 795 00:39:41,518 --> 00:39:44,038 Speaker 1: two weeks, no matter what you do. I love that one. 796 00:39:50,878 --> 00:39:53,158 Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of I 797 00:39:53,398 --> 00:39:56,638 Speaker 1: heart Radio. 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