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Speaker 1: Then we'll get into permissions. You know, I can't even

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Speaker 1: The we're just talking about over lunch is um Yanni.

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Speaker 1: And my old man would just tirelessly work the phones, calling, calling, calling,

427
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: until he could find a personal connection to those people

428
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: through a mutual friend or somehow would develop an end

429
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: because he felt your odds increase so greatly if you

430
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: could find that connection. I know so and so so

431
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: my old man would like, Oh, i' know a guy

432
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: up there, an insurance salesman up in Macosta, and he

433
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: called him and be like, hey, you know, we're my

434
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: son's looking at these places. He's trying to get on right.

435
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: He would work at work and he would score. He

436
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: had a very high success rate on scoring permissions. I

437
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: remember at the same time, I went and ran an

438
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: ad in a newspaper Macosta County because I was just

439
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: trapping beaver and a lot of people hate beavers because

440
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: beavers plug up your creeks and dams and ditches and whatnot,

441
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: and so some people love them, some people hate him.

442
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: I ran an ad in the Macosta newspaper saying, free

443
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: beaver control, free problem beaver removal. Never got a hit

444
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: off that ad, but my old man would tear it

445
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: up by trying to build personal connections. And yeah, you

446
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: think about when we were on Sandhill Crane's on the Panhandle.

447
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: How long would it take that dude to get a

448
00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: permission on land? Anyone within a hundred miles dependent. I

449
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: don't think anyone were too too fast, but it didn't

450
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: take more than half a day. He would work and

451
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't from there. He is this is a grad student.

452
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: It's like a grad student who moved to do a

453
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: PhD program the Texas Panhandle. Where was he just from

454
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: the Midwest or something nasty for Nancy? Yeah? Yeah, he

455
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: had his pitch dialed, you know, he had his end

456
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: sort of just to get the conversation rolling and then

457
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: you know he explained everything and yeah, and he wasn't

458
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: working family, but he was just sort of like had

459
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: some in like had good relationships with some farmers. Was

460
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: able to build on that and be like, Oh I

461
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: hunt on so and sols place. That's always a good

462
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: You call him up, he'll give you the word. He

463
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: had to work extra hard when we were there because

464
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: not only did he have to get permission, but when

465
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: we're there filming, you gotta also get the landowner to

466
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: sign the location release so that we can film there.

467
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Another thing that he thought was very effective is what

468
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: schools he at? Texas A and M. Right, what schools

469
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: in Lubbock, Texas not Texas Tech. Look it up. Yeah,

470
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: edifice is Greek mythology. By the way, I like that

471
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: it's Greek mythology, not Greek trap. Does account? Was it

472
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: a play? Like who's the famous play? Right? Back then Pericles. Anyhow,

473
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: nasty Fanacy Mike went was doing a PhD program at

474
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: the local university, and the local university is an egg school,

475
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: like a land Grand egg school, much like the egg

476
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: school that you live not nearby market. I'm on Michigan

477
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: State University. And the people in the community respect the

478
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: school because it's a lot. They have a strong egg program,

479
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: so farmers know it. Relatives went there and Mike knew this,

480
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: No was this and would come and say, Hey, I'm

481
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: a you know, I'm from the Texas Tech. I'm from

482
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I got all these connections. I feel like

483
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: we're giving away Mike's secrets right now. Did he tell

484
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: us his own secrets? Well? The flip side of that

485
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: is growing up in Missoula the surrounding areas. If somebody

486
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: was like, hey, where are you from when you were

487
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: knocking on doors, I never said Missoula, they're not gonna

488
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: say yeah. No. Maybe like if you were from Madison

489
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: and you went out and started banging on doors out

490
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: in rural Wisconsin, thinking it's gonna get you somewhere that

491
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: you're from Madison. If you're doing that, though, I feel

492
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: like you have to have some some throwback to the air.

493
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: So like when I'm trying to get permission on Iowa

494
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: or something, but I'm from Michigan, you encounter that same

495
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: worry like as soon as you okay please, so as

496
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: soon as you knock on the door, you' they're gonna say, oh,

497
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: well where you from? And you know, if I stay

498
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: him from Michigan, most likely you get one of two reactions.

499
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: You get one where they get cold and they don't

500
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: want they have towners there, or they get the curious

501
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: like you came all the way from Michigan to hunt

502
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: deer here, really like oh yeah, and then you get

503
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: a conversation going there. But what I would try to

504
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: do for the people who you could, since you know,

505
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: weren't too into the out of towners, I would always say, well,

506
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, so and so and so and so are

507
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: my friends. They hunt in the area, they live here,

508
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: they they they hunt over on Bob and Jerry's down there,

509
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: um so on and so forth. With you any kind

510
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: of throwback to touch into the community, I feel like

511
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: that helps. And then another one of my little things

512
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: that's led to a lot of the permission I've gotten

513
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: is that even when they're like, no, you know, we

514
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: already have someone hunting, or no, we don't want you

515
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: to hunt, whatever might be. I always try to end

516
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: that conversation. I keep that conversation going as long as

517
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I possibly can, because he never knows. I've had people

518
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: change their mind after talking to you for a while,

519
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: if you just end up talking about something random, and

520
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: then fifteen minutes later, after they see your half decent person,

521
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 1: that ends up all of a sudden, Well, you know,

522
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: Larry doesn't hunt here that often. I guess you could come, um,

523
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: but if that doesn't happen, I'll always end the conversation.

524
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, is there anyone else you happen to know

525
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: that I should, you know, maybe would be worth talking

526
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: to in the area. And lots of times they'll him

527
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: and Han and then they'll say, well, I'll go talk

528
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: to so and so down there. And then when you

529
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: talk to so and so, you can say, hey, Bob

530
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: from Extra told me to come down and stop by,

531
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: and then you're in, and then you can just keep

532
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: pointing back to the last one was telling me he

533
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: would never any million years allow me access on his land,

534
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: but he thought that I should run down and talk

535
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to you, you don't phrase it that way. My old

536
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: man had certain like things that that I still stand

537
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: by to day on when just comes to banging on doors.

538
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: So cold calling is pick your time well and the

539
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: time to do it. I feel we're not having this

540
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: conversation as the proper amount of structure, trying to find

541
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: way to impose structure on it. No, never mind, I

542
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: do want to get around and talk about the small

543
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: game in. So we want to talk about the small

544
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: game in. Let's focus for a minute on the dudes

545
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: and don't of cold rolling. Cold rolling being is not

546
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: a dude from your mom and dad's church. You're just

547
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: like just completely a dude coming in with no kind

548
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: of I'm friends with Doug sorts of things. Right. Uh,

549
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: My old man and these are things I learned from

550
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: him that I know to be true. Was very particular

551
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: about the time that you do this, and you don't

552
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: do it during a farmer's busy as seasons, which tend

553
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: to not be during hunting season. You don't do it

554
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: when they're sitting down to dinner. He felt the window

555
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: between mid day he thought was appropriate, and he thought

556
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: that the window between dinner and like winding down getting

557
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: ready for bed was a good time to approach someone

558
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: about it, and he felt that you do not do

559
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: it during hunting season because it's like they've been getting

560
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: in and day with dudes banging on their door. Like

561
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: picture of this, like you're in an area, you're trying

562
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: to hunt geese and you're you got there's some big

563
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: grain fields and his geese is plowing into the grain fields.

564
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Every guy out there is seeing this, and he's going

565
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: up to the house nearby and banging on the door

566
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: to see if he can do it. The thing is

567
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: that you want to approach this guy now when he's

568
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: getting hit up all the time, but also not when

569
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: it's so far away that it seems like he doesn't

570
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: want to commit to something that far out. So like

571
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: this window of time when you're kind of the first

572
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: guy to show up, um, but you're talking about something

573
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: in the foreseeable future that you'd like to be doing.

574
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Was He felt that was the time to be making

575
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: these calls. And then as far as the end thing,

576
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go up to a guy probably not

577
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna go up and just be like, um, hey man,

578
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: can I come hunt big giant white sail bucks? On

579
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: your place. That's not gonna be the end, you know,

580
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: think so I think a better in is gee, mr um,

581
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: come February, would it be possible that I might come

582
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: out and hunt squirrels on your place? Because then he's

583
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: not doing something that's gonna be pissing off the cousin

584
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: who comes out every year to hunt deer and you

585
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: wiggle your way in. I had a permission one time

586
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: from a guy where there was no way he had.

587
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Oh there's no way, you know, not gonna happen, not

588
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: deer in turkeys. I've actually got squirrel permission on this place,

589
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: and I would go hunt squirrels in the winter, and

590
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: then I would text message him pictures of the squirrels

591
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: that I cooked, being like thanks so much, look at

592
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: what we made with our squirrels, which just tickled him endlessly.

593
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Event she he's like, you know, if you want to

594
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: come on hunt deer and turkeys, go ahead. We do

595
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: the same thing, but with shed hunting because that gets

596
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: you in the door, Like, we'll do it in February.

597
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: March is like a great time to do this, I think,

598
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: because no one's banged on his door before banging on

599
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: his door and you can say the same kind of thing. Hey,

600
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: you know lots of same thing. I'm in Iowa. We're

601
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: in the area. We've been looking for shed antlers. Curious,

602
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: maybe that might be okay? Behind I we know's we've

603
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: got a couple hundred acres or something, and we drove

604
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: from Michigan just come out here and alers dear lose

605
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: their antlers. Yeah, and then you get it, get telling

606
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: a little interesting story about biology, and then um and

607
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: then yeah, lots of times it seems harmless. And a

608
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: lot of farmers you shed antlers as a nuisance because

609
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: they're popping tractor tires. Oh, so you can say, hey,

610
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: you ever had a tractor tire popped? And then maybe

611
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: you'll get lucky and say, well, actually that did happen. Yeah,

612
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I gotta tell them that's not so much interested and

613
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: finding shed antlers as I am and prevent entire pops.

614
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I've got a deal for you. I can help you

615
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: to day yep. So so if you get shed hunting permission,

616
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: then you've got a great reason to come back, you know.

617
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate it. Established whether small game hunting

618
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: or shed hunting or whatever it might be, it's an

619
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: easy end they feel more comfortable established for poor and

620
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: then yeah, from there you can see where it goes. Um. Plus,

621
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: the nice thing about doing any one of those things

622
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: is it allows you to walk that property, gives an

623
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: excuse to better learn that property, to decide if it

624
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: really is, you know, worth your time to try to

625
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: deer hunt there, whatever it might be. Um. You know,

626
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: if you're driving out from Michigan, Iowa, most places are

627
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: worth hunting. But you want to make sure that if

628
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna spend a ton of time and money, that

629
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: you have a spot that seems half decent. So so

630
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: mark out of your sort of portfolio places you hunt. What. Um,

631
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: how many permissions do you have that aren't like aren't

632
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: like leases just like flat out some dude, out of

633
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: an act of kindness lets you hunt his place. Uh Um.

634
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: I probably have six or seven different spots that are

635
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: just actually more than that, probably eight or nine I

636
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: guess that are across scattered states that I have permission

637
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: to hunt that it wasn't through connection, it was just

638
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: from knocking on doors or random randomly meeting someone. I'm

639
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: always thinking about permission. So if I meet someone while

640
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm ount in Montana or Iowa, Ohio or somewhere, and

641
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: I happen to think they might own land, I will

642
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: I will try to navigate the conversation there in any

643
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: way possible reception this uh, this farm you speak of,

644
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you hear about something like that, I'm

645
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: not gonna avoid that conversation. I'm getting getting in there.

646
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: I got the first thing that comes to mind. And

647
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: it's amazing how many times, not not most of the time,

648
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: but some of the time. I guess you'll come to

649
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: find out that maybe they don't have somebody hunting, or

650
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: maybe they do. But again, you never know who they

651
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: might know, who they might know. So I mean, it's

652
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: one of those things that you just have to always

653
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: be thinking about it, always be working for it, because

654
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: it's so easy to lose permission first off, um, So

655
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: that's a big part of this conversation. I think, too,

656
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: is just as important as getting it, as you really

657
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: need to learn how to keep it. Um. But there's

658
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things that happen that are out of

659
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: your control. So yeah, and you lose it for various reasons.

660
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: You can lose it because you screw up, and then

661
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: you deserve to lose it, like not leaving gates the

662
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: way you found them, driving on wet fields, because there's

663
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: could be things that that if you grew up, if

664
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: you if you've grown up around egg land and kind

665
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: of grow up around working properties, those things you like, know,

666
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: you don't do that. Someone who's not familiar with that

667
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: world might do without realizing it's a real problem. Like

668
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: you might notice that there's tire tracks skirting around the

669
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: edge of an alfalfa field and be like, oh, I'm

670
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna drive there, not really realizing at the only time

671
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: you would ever do that, as if it was just dry, dry, dry,

672
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: And then you go out and leave a big couple

673
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: of ruts in the guy's field, you're gonna lose your permission,

674
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: likely or he gives you. Here's here's the story to

675
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: happen me One time, me and my brother had turkey

676
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: hunting permission on a place and he had given me

677
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: and my brother permission, and one day we had our

678
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: other brother and a buddy of ours to go honey.

679
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Now we were not going to hunt without securing extra

680
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: permissions for two more people. We go to the guy's house.

681
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: He's not there, So our first stop was to go

682
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: down his driveway, but he's not there. We then set

683
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: off to go look for him, and we come across

684
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: him and this guy is never even gave us a

685
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: chance to explain ourselves, was out of his truck beating

686
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: on our hood because the one thing he said was

687
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm giving two of you permission. Never even got a chance, honestly,

688
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: never got a chance to explain to him that we

689
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: were coming out to find him to inquire about two

690
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: other individuals. In his mind, it was the conversation was

691
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: over when he said too, So that was a permission.

692
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I lost out of being a kind of a dumbass,

693
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: kind of assuming that there was some flexibility. It's a bummer, yeah,

694
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: And to be just like screamed at by someone is difficult,

695
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: for sure. I had a friend get the harder it is.

696
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: I had a friend who had permission, who got permission,

697
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: you know, by way of his knock indoors, and he

698
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: went to go This was a handful of years ago,

699
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: and trying to remember his story, but as I remember it,

700
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: he had gotten permission and then came back there and

701
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: don't a week later or something with his wife to

702
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: do some scouting. And this guy lived down this little

703
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: like two track road way back in the middle of nowhere.

704
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: So he decided to go down the road park his car,

705
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: and then his wife was going to stay in the

706
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: car while he went off and did some scouting or

707
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: whatever he was doing. Um, he hadn't told the landowner this,

708
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: and so he goes off to his walking, but his

709
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: wife is sitting in this car pulled off the side

710
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: of the road and this guy's farm and this guy

711
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: comes up from behind. The landowner ends up seeing this car.

712
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't the same vehicle that this friend had used before.

713
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: So he sees a random car with a lady sitting

714
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: in the front seat, and he was so mad about

715
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: somebody trespass he went running up with a shotgun, screaming

716
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: at her through the window. And uh, just because of

717
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, lack of communications. But nope, nope, that didn't

718
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: work out too well for end. If my number one

719
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: rule is no gray area, there are no assumptions. I'm like,

720
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: this is exactly the Hey, just so you know, I

721
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: have this crappy old white Chevy with a gray topper.

722
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: That's me and it's and then if friends are it's

723
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: also like the timing conversation and figuring out like what

724
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: would be kind of valuable to these people, like hey,

725
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: like you know gates, you knock it all out up front,

726
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: and then if somebody's like, hey, I know you got

727
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: permission on that place, can I come to I'm always like,

728
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'll talk to him this winner. We'll see

729
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: about next next year, because I already got permission this year,

730
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna push my luck this year. Such

731
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: a tenuous thing, I think, yeah, because then you always

732
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: got like every farmer's got a cousin or something, so

733
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: you lose them too, not because you did something bad,

734
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: but because he's like, oh, you know my cousin. He

735
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: wants to come out with his cousins. I can't say

736
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: no to them. So this year is just gonna be

737
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: too crowded out here. That's a big way that people lose.

738
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: You kind of have to take advantage why you have it.

739
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, it is this he had a walk that

740
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: like this line that is not truly even there, uh,

741
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 1: because you never know when those properties are gonna go

742
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: go away forever, and typically when they're gone, they're gone. Um.

743
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you can't push your luck either.

744
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: We used to do a lot of gift giving and

745
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: then offers of work, like I remember the main farm

746
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: we hunted as kids. We hunted two main farms as kids.

747
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: I remember the farmer broke his arm and for weeks

748
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: my old man had me and my brothers were just

749
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: little kids. For weeks we were out there shovel and manure. Well,

750
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: the farmer's arm was broken because my old man would

751
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: use us. You know, that's something Davy Crockett's dad did.

752
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: People don't realize that's Davy Crockett. His father hired him

753
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: out as an indentured servant to satisfy his own debts

754
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: from the time I think from the time he turned nine,

755
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: his father would would give his give Davis Davy Crockett's

756
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: father would give his labor to his debtors. So male

757
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: man would do a similar thing for hunt permissions. We

758
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: would go out and shovel manure for Harold zeldn rust

759
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: That's such a West Michigan name. Yeah. Yeah. The other

760
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: families are great families and my mom, my mom's still

761
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: the Frenz these families, but the zelden Rustan's at the

762
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: zur Lot. So I grew up thinking that everybody had

763
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: a Z last started a Z no but great, Yeah,

764
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: so we did that, went out shovel ner. I used

765
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to throw hay bales for tom weirds mom, a farmer.

766
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: I would throw hay bales for him in the summertime.

767
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Small price to pay because you only throw hay bales

768
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: for like a day or two. Yeah, but there's so

769
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: few people understanding that. It was understanding because we would

770
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: hunt his place for small game, hunted his place one

771
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: time for geese in an hour trap. Yeah. He had

772
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: a handful of properties that he would call you to

773
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: throw bails and you went through bales. Yeah, and you

774
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: better drop what you're doing and go. Yeah. It wasn't

775
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: like a spoken thing. It wasn't like, oh, I'll give

776
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: you permission on the you know, on the condition that

777
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: you satisfy X demands. It was just sort of there

778
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: was like this sort of recipant. It was like this

779
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: built in understanding of I'm doing something for you, you

780
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: will do something for me. I once saw have you

781
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: guys seen the um poison dispensers for gopher holes or

782
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: prairie dog holes that you can mount on the front

783
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: of a four wheeler so you drive over the top

784
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: of the hole, hit the button that drops a little

785
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: a certain amount of uh poison pellets into the gopher hole.

786
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: Uh buddy of mind. And I showed up. It was

787
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: hunting season, but it and it was cold right. The

788
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: the farmer rancher was like, no, I don't have time

789
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: for this, and my buddies like, uh, you mind if

790
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: we just we were asking for archery permission to hunt mule.

791
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: You're on his place and he's like, what if we

792
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: just shoot gophers? And it was like this, oh, with

793
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: bows and arrows, if you're gonna shoot gophers and this

794
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: is not an exaggeration at all, and this is not

795
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: like an archery trick shot at all. But it gopher

796
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: is standing up on the edge of this guy's yard

797
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: and the guys like, can you hit that one? This

798
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: is like a fifteen yard shot with a compound bow. Right,

799
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it's not not crazy. Uh my buddy, uh kyler shoots

800
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: the thing and guys like, all right, stay on the roads.

801
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: That I think is the thing that people, yeah, because

802
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: like when people are gonna go do a farmer or

803
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: a property owner of favors, they tend to want to

804
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: do the enjoyable favors. So you get a lot of

805
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: guys who, because farmers do need to do a lot

806
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: of in some areas, need to do a lot of

807
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: prairie dog work, like controlling prairie dog colonies or ground

808
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: squirrel colonies which destroy you can destroy crop land or

809
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: destroy pasture land. So people are like, oh, it doesn't

810
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: sound half bad. And if that's something this guy really

811
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: needs to get done and actually pays to have done,

812
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: I'll volunteer for that. It's less people who are like, hey, man,

813
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: do need help stringing fence, fixing fence, moving pipe whatever. Yeah,

814
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: I think that that stuff goes a long way. And

815
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that aren't gonna take you

816
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: up on it because like in the time it would

817
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: teach you what to do and show you all the

818
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: analyst he could have had it done, but they're impressed

819
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: that you offered yes. And and to be clear, I

820
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: think very much this particular rancher was just like kind

821
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: of had to eat his own words because he's like,

822
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell you're gonna hit that prairie dog.

823
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, yeah, I just yeah, go for

824
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: it type of thing. So and then he's less worried

825
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: about having deer running around with arrows coming out of

826
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: weird parts of them. Yeah what else? Mark? Uh, Well,

827
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: to this point of we're talking keeping permission, we're kind

828
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: of fast forwarding a little bit from getting it, but

829
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we can stay and I want to

830
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: stay on and keeping. So not only though it is

831
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: doing in the gift given yet you mentioned it, which

832
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: gift giving you. I've done Christmas cards, I've done veggies

833
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: in the garden, I do venison, all that kind of stuff.

834
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: But another thing that seems simple, but some people really

835
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: value it, especially if it's someone who's older, maybe a

836
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: little more low lee. Um, there's a gentleman. I hunted

837
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: his property that I know. This guy just wants a friend,

838
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: like he just wants them to talk to you myself.

839
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: So I mean when when I had a friend in

840
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: the truck, Yeah at him. So whenever I'm there, though,

841
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: he just you make time to just sit in there.

842
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: You're just planning on forty five minutes that we're gonna

843
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: talk and we're gonna talk about World War two, and

844
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the dust Bowl, and we're gonna

845
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: talk about the book he wrote, and we're gonna talk

846
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: about how we still love to go dancing, and we'll

847
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: talk about the same stories every time, and I love

848
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: it and I appreciate the guy so much, and I

849
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: say everything, and we talked politics and I disagree with

850
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: what he says, but no in my head and like

851
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right and U and it's great. I mean,

852
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I know that he appreciates that so much.

853
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: And I appreciate, you know, the opportunity to hunt um.

854
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: And I think there's people out there like that. It

855
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: is appreciation to I know lot of ranchers where it's

856
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: like even if you do everything right but you're not,

857
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: you don't show them that you truly appreciate the work

858
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: that they've done, how they've maintained their place, kind of

859
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: the sweat and tears that they've put into it. They're

860
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: just gonna be like, yeah, I feel a little taken

861
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: advantage of. So yeah, it is the true interest in

862
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: the in what's going on out there, like oh boy,

863
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: I see you did this, and that's everything's looking so

864
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: good this year, and that that's a big deal. My brother,

865
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: uh makes veniceon summer sausages and it puts together gift

866
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: bags for people that he for people who are he

867
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: has hunting permission. It makes veniceon summer sausages and puts

868
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: other things in the gift bag and brings that around. Especially.

869
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: You could be like, hey, I shot this deer on

870
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: your place and then that made this. Here's this summer sausage.

871
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: People eat that. Eat it up metaphorically and literally. They

872
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: may turn around and give it away, but it's a

873
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: big deal that you drove the ninety miles or whatever

874
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: to deliver this stuff. We used to hunt on a

875
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: guy's place, you know. The last man to be legally

876
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: hanged in Wyoming was Tom Horne. There's a movie about

877
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: Tom horn Um. He was a stock detective and he

878
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: was kind of like caught up in he had old

879
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: fashioned ways of dealing with cattle rustlers that were falling

880
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: out of favor in his time, Like it was just

881
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: getting the He was into the early nineteen hunters and

882
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't just ride out and start shooting people who

883
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: were stealing cattle anymore. And wounded up getting him on

884
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: the wrong end of a rope and he was hanged

885
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: and shared in Wyoming. The last man to be illegally

886
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: hanged Tom Horn, so we had I used to hunt

887
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: of guys land named Tom Horn. So I brought Tom

888
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Horn a book about um Horn that's pretty good, which

889
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: he appreciated. Now we would also hunt rabbits on his

890
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: place a lot, and one day I brought him a

891
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: carrot cake that was decorated with rabbits. And I felt

892
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: like it really like he didn't didn't get that he

893
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: didn't get and like standing there like look right, and

894
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: I remember being like just looking at like what in

895
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: the world these boys bring me a cake for it?

896
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: What are it's it's got rabbits on there. You know,

897
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: we um now that we want rabbits out here. So

898
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: there's rabbits in the cake. Remember that fell a little flat.

899
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: But he really liked the Tom hornbook. And so there

900
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: was like a thought like trying to be like a

901
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: thoughtful gift to say, hey, thank you so much for

902
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: allowing us access to your property. And people are pragmatic,

903
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: and I think people, especially in the agricultural world, are

904
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: extremely pragmatic relative to other segment of the population. And

905
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: I think that to be like, you know, how you

906
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: let us come out and hunt your place. Well, here's

907
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: all the stuff we cooked with the things we got

908
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: in your place, like we put it to use and

909
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: now we're here's something for you. That makes them feel

910
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: like because when you like love a piece of land

911
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: and work a piece of land, you'd like to see

912
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: the land provide the fruits that you're labor. Yeah, And

913
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: so to have some Joe Shmo you know from town,

914
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: come out and harvest something off the place and you

915
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: see that he's using it and sharing it with you,

916
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: it makes them feel like how they like good about

917
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: the property's ability to provide a good see. It too

918
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: for people to remember is you know these farmers and ranchers,

919
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: they're not folks that really have downtime, Like they can

920
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: work every minute, every day in perpetuity. And so you're

921
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: already starting out your footing a little bit of a hole.

922
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: So like, oh, boys have some free time. Huh, that's

923
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: gotta be nice. Yeah, So like the last thing that

924
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: he would ever be doing would be driving around trying

925
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: to find a place to recreate. Oh yeah. Or you

926
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: guys choose to sleep outside. I've gotten that so many times.

927
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: Like your days off, you want to go out and

928
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: be cold again. We used to have where I grew up.

929
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: There was a lot of not Amish, but they were

930
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: like there are men and nights, but they had the

931
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: same where they cut the same rigid sabbath and their

932
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: deal like they had like last thing like Yoda and

933
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: various things like that, and uh, their deal was that

934
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: you do not hunt. I think they kept a Saturday sabbath,

935
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: no Saturday hunting. And in fact, when I would trap

936
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: land men and nite land and I had a lot

937
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 1: of permissions with these guys because once I knew some

938
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: of the people in that community could get permissions anywhere

939
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: in the community. You pulled your traps like by dusk

940
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: on Friday. Yeah, kind of they were not even on

941
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: the land working. You pulled them and then re put

942
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: them back out again. And it's just like a thing

943
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: like I can't even begin to understand where you're coming from.

944
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: But it's your place, Okay, Yes, if that's the rule,

945
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: seemingly not that definitely doesn't seem arbitrary. But it was

946
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: just like a different thing you were invited into. But no,

947
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean it goes that's a unilateral right, it's our

948
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: universal rather rather the you may be on one place

949
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: that the guy's like, oh yeah, drive wherever. Don't assume

950
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the next property is gonna be the same way. You're like,

951
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: what do you mean your body down the road? Lets

952
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: me drive through the field that's not gonna go over Well, yeah,

953
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: guys that are touchy about driving, we would also this offer, like, well,

954
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: does park at the house and ever even touched the car,

955
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: just walk from the house. You're worried about gates and

956
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: driving and all that, we won't even drive And some

957
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: people like that sounds good. Great. Yeah, I've always thought

958
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: that's important, just to make sure you know where do

959
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: you want to part? Where should drive? Like that always

960
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: seems to be one of those sticking points. It's good

961
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: to have laid out ahead of time, like you said earlier,

962
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: layout and get as many things on the table up

963
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: front as possible. No no question marks if you can

964
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: so no, no, Mark Kenny, You're an organized guy. So

965
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: we handle. We touched on get kicked off once you've

966
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: had it. We touched on maintaining. We're talking a bit

967
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: about getting. Should we talk about getting or yeah, let's

968
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: talk about get. Definitely need to talk a little more

969
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: about Can I share my process? Oh please? Because I'm

970
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: pretty now. I already mentioned like I'm always thinking about permission,

971
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: so if if random up tunities pop up, I always

972
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: tried to take it um So once like, I was

973
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: driving around in Montana looking for places to hunt and

974
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: ran across the guy that had a flat tire, so

975
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: stopped to help him out. As I'm helping with his tires,

976
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: before I can starts. You don't have old land, you

977
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 1: know anybody that does? No, I just have a jack.

978
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: But but any type of happenstance like that, you know,

979
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: sometimes good things come on that. But when you don't

980
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: have a situation like that, when I'm simply what happened there,

981
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: I was, I was joking. Yeah, So I got out

982
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: yeah on likes because I helped him out and give

983
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: him a drive back home and were just chit chat

984
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, what are you doing out here?

985
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm just trying to find a

986
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: place to deer hunt and I knew and he's like, well,

987
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, we have all this land over here, and gosh,

988
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: it was real nice to you to help us out

989
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: and everything. I was like, I'm happy to do it.

990
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: And then he brought me over for a beer. We're

991
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: having a beer and then we keep talking, He's like,

992
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: so you really like to hunt hunt? I was telling

993
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: more and more about it, and by the end of

994
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, like an hour drinking beer and helping out,

995
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: I had access. So yeah, that's good old American elbow

996
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: grease access getting right there, man. Yeah, But it doesn't

997
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: always come now, Yeah, it doesn't come falling out of

998
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: the sky like that all time. So I kind of

999
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: have like a process that I go through when it

1000
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: comes to to the to your point of being organized.

1001
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: This is where that comes out, I guess for me,

1002
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: because I think the biggest thing when it comes to

1003
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: getting hunting permission, at least around where I'm at, which

1004
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: is you know, south central Michigan, UM, where there's lots

1005
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: and lots and lots and lots of hunters, like deer

1006
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: hunters in the state now somewhere around there, um. And

1007
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: then the vast majority of that vast majority of that's

1008
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: crammed in the bottom third of the state. There's tons

1009
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: of pressure are yeah. Yeah, So everyone's trying to get

1010
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: permission to hunt. So it's a numbers game. And whether

1011
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: that's you know, down by me or almost anywhere, it

1012
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: comes down to being a numbers game. Like you just

1013
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: need to go into it, in my opinion, knowing that

1014
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of nose so you need

1015
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: to ask a lot of people to get that one yes.

1016
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: So what I do is I would say, out of fifteen,

1017
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty asks, i'll get one to two yeses.

1018
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: So we'll say one to ten um so rejection a

1019
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of rejections. So I planned for that. And I

1020
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: hate I hate coal, coal knocking on doors like I'm nervous,

1021
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm uncomfortable about it. I don't like to have uncomfortable

1022
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: conversations with people I don't know it. Also, I know

1023
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: that about myself. So I forced myself into a process

1024
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: to get past that. So I go and I look

1025
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: at PLAT maps or whatever digital online g S maps

1026
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: are out there or whatever, look at aerial maps and

1027
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: pick out. I always try to get a list of

1028
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: at least ten twenty properties that I would like to

1029
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: get permission on. I make a list and I find

1030
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: the landowner information so I know the names and the

1031
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: addresses for every one of those ten to fifteen places.

1032
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: Will say so. For example, I did this in Iowa,

1033
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of people think that to hunt in

1034
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: Iowa at least in the white tail world. That's like

1035
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: the mecca of the white tailed world. Everyone thinks that's

1036
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: where the biggest deer are, that's the best deer hunting

1037
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: in the country. So people assume you need to pay

1038
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: an outfit or five thousand dollars or pay ten thousand

1039
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: dollars a year for a least or something to go

1040
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: and hunt there. Um, I want to hunt there for free.

1041
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: So I did this. I put together a list um

1042
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: between looking at all these different things, and then all

1043
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: was a sadde a couple of friends in the area

1044
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: who said, hey, you know, this property looks like one

1045
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: you should look at. I've I've seen a big buck

1046
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: in that field. So I put together the list. I

1047
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 1: have fifteen properties and then the same area general region

1048
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: within like fifteen man maybe ten miles. Um. So I

1049
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: don't like knocking in doors and cold knocking. So because

1050
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: of that, what like a door to door salesman banging

1051
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: on the door and saying, hey, my name is Mark.

1052
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: Can I go on? Yeah, that's that's an uncomfortable thing,

1053
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: but sometimes that's what you have to do. So what

1054
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: I make myself do is I'm gonna do that and

1055
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do all of it in one dy. I'm

1056
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 1: gonna knock on fifteen doors, and one day I'm gonna

1057
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: have a list. I don't have a plan, and that

1058
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: first store you go up to is I don't want

1059
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: to do this. I should just go back to Michigan.

1060
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: But you get through that, You get through that door knock,

1061
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: and it goes okay, you didn't get yelled at, you

1062
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: didn't get shot. It was okay. The next one feels

1063
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: a little bit better. The next one is even better,

1064
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: and then by four, five, six, seven, it's a snowball effect,

1065
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: and by twelve fifteen it's piece cake, nothing to it.

1066
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: So I can get through so many door knocking. That's

1067
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: but that is still your initial point of contact. Well,

1068
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: so it's like bang, bang on the door. This is

1069
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: if I've exercised all their options. So this is if

1070
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, I've went through my whole personal network and

1071
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing. This is if I've tried to, you know,

1072
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: strike up conversation in a hardware store or at the

1073
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: bar or whatever. I mean, anyway you can get a connection.

1074
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: Is is the best. This is if I have zero,

1075
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: if I have nothing else to work with, if I'm

1076
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: completely in the dark. Starting from grounds zero, you get

1077
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: the list. You try if you know anything. I mean,

1078
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a good example. Um, but

1079
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: any little bit of tidbit of information about the people

1080
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: or the area. Yes, anything like that, Like I'll slap

1081
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: a Hawkeye sticker on my truck when I put high

1082
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: school teams. Yeah, big deal, innum, But but yeah, you

1083
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: can do it. I got permission on over a thousand

1084
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: and over a thousand acres in Iowa for zero dollars

1085
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: um out of state dude. And then and it came

1086
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: came down to things that I said earlier. Where so

1087
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: I think you got to present yourself, you know, as

1088
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: a non dangerous, somewhat respectable person. You don't want to

1089
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: go up there in like a suit and tie and

1090
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: seeing like all toity. But I don't think you also

1091
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: want to show up like you've been shoveling maneuver for

1092
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: the last seventeen days and you're someone who looks a

1093
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: little sketchy. I think there's like a middle ground. So

1094
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: present yourself in a respectable way, have a decent thing

1095
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: planned about how you want to start a conversation. And

1096
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: then I always try to let that conversation go anywhere

1097
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: it wants for as long as it wants um. Even

1098
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: if they come out and say no, you know you

1099
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: can't hunt here. I'll keep chatting them up for as

1100
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: long as they want to chat because you know, I

1101
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: don't want to be disrespectful and bother them. Like if

1102
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: they want to be out of the conversation, you know,

1103
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: I'll be out of your hair. Sorry to bother you.

1104
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: But many times people just want chat sometimes especially I

1105
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: feel like some of these, you know, a slightly older gentleman,

1106
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: maybe it's on a farm and ile or whatever it

1107
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: might be, roll Ohio where to my point earlier, sometimes

1108
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: they just want chat um and many times does lead

1109
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: to different opportunities. And then you leverage that last one,

1110
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: so you say, oh, Bob sent me, and then Bill

1111
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: sent me, and then as you keep going those things,

1112
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: they kind of all they all work together. I think

1113
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: another important thing, and I want to stay with your process. Best.

1114
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: Want to interject on a couple of points. When doing

1115
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: cold door knocking, go by yourself. Do not unless you

1116
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: can go with your wife or better a four year old.

1117
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: The best thing that could happen is you go with

1118
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: your kids. I cannot wait for my up. One of

1119
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: the those the most excited about this. You'll be tearing

1120
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: permissions a new one when you can go up with kids.

1121
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: The more you're probably doing it with the baby Bjorn

1122
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: sat right to your chest, walk right up. Because one

1123
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: you're just playing on like a basic innate human thing

1124
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: where you sort of like appreciate seeing like a father,

1125
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: like interacting with children in a way, or you're trying

1126
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: to like introduce them to the out of doors and

1127
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: be outside with them and and you know, and their

1128
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: kids come up to them and look them in the

1129
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: eye and you know, shake their hands. That just resonates

1130
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: with people. Don't go up there were three dudes, because

1131
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: you can want to making someone uneasy with a bunch

1132
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: of people. It's like go up by yourself, or if

1133
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: you can't go up with your spouse or go up

1134
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: with your children. Don't people off these Also, it's like

1135
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: four guys standing outside the door. And I think the

1136
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: way you're dressing is important too, because if you're like

1137
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: if you're in a suit here and be wandering like

1138
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: what are you either door to door proselytizing or sellings.

1139
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's just weird and off but clean, caught,

1140
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: put together, look him in the eye. State your purpose.

1141
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: I've you know, seen where people come up and they

1142
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: like beat around the bush so much and sort of

1143
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: creates attention where the person's like, why are you at

1144
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: my door? So make your intentions known fairly quickly. There's

1145
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: like this one school thought that you're supposed to go

1146
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: up and start complimenting them on the place. But unless

1147
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: you're able to pull that off in a very authentic way,

1148
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: I think it can be off putting. Yeah, beautiful proper,

1149
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: couldn't help, but notice your beautiful property here. Like people

1150
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: are like, come on, bro, is a dollar harvester? Come on,

1151
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: like polite, But unless you can really pull it off,

1152
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: don't come up and do just like like sort of

1153
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: like cynical acts of flattery as a way to you know,

1154
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: as a way to establish when someone. If I get

1155
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: a knock on the door and I come up, some

1156
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: guys like beautiful house you have here, I'm like, oh

1157
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: my god, where's this going? Boy? This is going somewhere?

1158
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: Or I don't want to go to the point of

1159
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: making your intentions known quickly, relatively quickly. I also think

1160
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: clearly because sometimes if you just generically say, hey, can

1161
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: I get permission to hunt here? That's like a lot

1162
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: to consider if you make it very clear maybe I'm

1163
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: just looking for somewhere to bow hunt for one week

1164
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: this year. If you're only going to be in that

1165
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: area for a week or whatever, it might be Specify

1166
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: what weapons, Specify how long or how often or anything

1167
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: like that, um because many times that will make them

1168
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable or be your specific request might fit

1169
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: into their you know, set up, when a general request wouldn't.

1170
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: That's another permission I lost. I one time got a

1171
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: permission to trap muskrats on a large marsh and it

1172
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: was like a difficult march to get access to. And

1173
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: I got access to the march to a guy who

1174
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: wanted being a theater teacher, and he very plately after

1175
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: a while said like, I didn't realize that it was

1176
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: something that that needs to be done every day, so

1177
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: in the few I didn't lose it kind of lost.

1178
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: It's like in the future, um let's work on picking

1179
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: out like a handful of days. Because he didn't know

1180
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: that you might trap three months and in a giant place.

1181
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: He might be like using that point of access. It's

1182
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: just like in his mind he just pictured something that

1183
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: would happen a few times. But I do to yourself

1184
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: also to your point um starting out where you're talking

1185
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: about like a finite period of time this weekend, would

1186
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: it be okay if we hunted thing? Because you could

1187
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: always do it successfully, stick to your word. Everyone's happy.

1188
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: You go back again, and then it might turn into

1189
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: that you know what, just you know, you know the

1190
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: you know the place, you know the rules, help yourself.

1191
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: That happens all the time that you get in and

1192
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: eventually a guys just like you guys are you guys

1193
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: know what's up out here? Never any problem with you guys,

1194
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and eliminate that vagary. Right, It's like I

1195
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: want hunting permission. That that's so much a place like

1196
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: Iowa that's upland birds and turkeys and uh sometimes mule

1197
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: deer and white tailor. Right, I don't think there's oh

1198
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 1: no western Nebraska. But it's like, yeah, well my kids

1199
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: really like to hunt pheasants. You know, said knock that

1200
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: stuff out of the gate before they have a chance

1201
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: to say no to it. Be real specific, finite amount

1202
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: of days will be out of your hair before you

1203
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: even though I used to have a permission where we

1204
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: can hunt everything but rabbits, and rabbits is usually the

1205
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: way to get in. But this guy had a kid

1206
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: who had rabbit dogs. Yeah, so he was like, sure, anything,

1207
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: but the thing that you probably think I would most

1208
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: readily let you go do is off limits. Yeah. We

1209
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: had a great permission outside of um actually kind of

1210
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: outside a red lodge and guys like, yeah, you guys

1211
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: can hunt. Here's like how the place lays out. Have

1212
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: a great time, but just uh, you can kill all

1213
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: the turkeys you see, and you can kill all the

1214
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: elky see, but don't shooting anything else because you know

1215
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: they're coming back from some disease or something. So of

1216
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: course all we see are like white tails and pheasants.

1217
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: You know. It was like just bizarre, O. We're old

1218
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: out there, you know. Yeah. And that's not a point

1219
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: you to argue with someone. It's just like okay, yeah,

1220
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: that needs to be your attitude. Yeah, you can't explain

1221
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: it either. You can't be like, well, okay statistically and

1222
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: talk to the biologists and just so you know, here's

1223
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: this and it's like, oh, so you know my play

1224
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: is better than I do, all right, Mark keep walking

1225
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: us through the process. Well, I mean, I think we've

1226
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of covered the all the bases of my process.

1227
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: You start by looking at all the maps, and and

1228
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: even before that, something I do is if I'm going

1229
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 1: into let's say I want to hunt a state of

1230
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: heaven hunted before we're gonna go back a little bit

1231
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: further in time here, I want to hunt a new state.

1232
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: Let's say I want to hunt in Illinois for white

1233
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: tails this year one. And if I'm going into that

1234
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: goal with hey, I want to be able shoot him

1235
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: ature buck, maybe for free, like I want to have

1236
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: a free permission. Um. So, first I'm gonna be looking

1237
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: at the map, like an aerial map of the state,

1238
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: and then you can start laying over things like, um

1239
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: hoping young record book data or something like that, which

1240
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: can tell you, you know, it's a rough estimate. Okay, Pope,

1241
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: young bucks, probably mature or whatever might whatever your goal

1242
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: might be. That's one way to say, Okay, it looks

1243
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: like this, this corner of Illinois looks like there's some

1244
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: disproportionately high quality hunting this little corner here. So then

1245
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: I can look at those specific counties. I'll pick a

1246
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: county Okay, I like the looks of you know what

1247
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: this area might be. And then I'll zoom in look

1248
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: at arials and try to find properties on arials that

1249
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: look like the right type of cover and habitat that

1250
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: could be high quality. And then you lay over the

1251
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: property ownership stuff and then pick out your specific places. Um.

1252
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: But then after you get the doors knocking, then you know,

1253
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: then it goes to everything I just said every conversation

1254
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: as far as it goes, utilize past connections, keep on

1255
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: going through the list, and then you'll hopefully, out of

1256
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: fifteen or something, you hopefully will get one. And then

1257
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: from there do everything we just talked about when it

1258
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: comes to keeping permission, and then keep building that rapport,

1259
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: keep that relationship up. I always then happen to say,

1260
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: happen of it, even if I get permission and I'm

1261
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: down there a few weeks or a few months later,

1262
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: anyone else around here you think I should chat with,

1263
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, always trying to find another little couple of

1264
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,799
Speaker 1: spots and just keep on branching from there. I always

1265
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: try to get In some states you don't need to

1266
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: do this, but in some states you need permission to

1267
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: go and track a wounded deer. So I'll try to.

1268
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't cross over on the land. Can

1269
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: you do that anywhere? Yes, there are places where you

1270
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: can go on the land. You do not have permission

1271
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: for the retrieve game retrieval. Really, I know. I know

1272
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: Iowa has that. I know Ohio and Michigan do not.

1273
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: So in Ohio, so I I don't know that any

1274
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: place I'll ever hear about is how you can't. I've

1275
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: never heard about how you can. I think if I

1276
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: if I remember the Iowa law correctly off the top

1277
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: of my head, I think you're just not supposed to

1278
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: have your weapon with you. You need to leave it

1279
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: there across the line or so, you know what, now

1280
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: I think about it, You're right. I remember being somewhere

1281
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: where someone told me that that you can go over

1282
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: the're talking about unting waterfowl. You can go over to

1283
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: get it, but you can't bring a shotgun with you,

1284
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,440
Speaker 1: and you can't bring a dog. Yeah. So so sometimes

1285
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: I should do better at this. Sometimes I preemptively do it.

1286
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's post But either way, if you preremptively go

1287
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: and talk to your neighbors and get permission, that's a

1288
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: great way to again, just get a foot in the door,

1289
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: build a relationship, because then you're not even doing a

1290
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: big ask. Right, Hey, just just in case I happen

1291
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: to hunt Tom's place, just want to let you know

1292
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there, and wanted to just make sure

1293
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: if I happen to hit a deer that comes over

1294
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: here where they'd be okay if I come and to retreat,

1295
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: I'd be happy to let you know in the door.

1296
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: And that is a great trick and lots of times

1297
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, sure, and then you can offer, hey,

1298
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: I'll I'll be sure to let you know, or I'll

1299
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: stop by before I do it, or something like that.

1300
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: It gives you another excuse to stop him and chit chat.

1301
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: Then you start hunting the edge of his property. Well,

1302
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: don't do that just hoping one runs over, sing, go

1303
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: have another chat with put the tree stand right on

1304
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: the fence. But there's there's there's one particular property in

1305
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: mind that Um I'm just I've been working for like

1306
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: six years and someday I'm gonna get permission on this property,

1307
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: permission to shed hunt it. I have permission to retrieve

1308
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: deer on it. Um, and a really nice, really nice

1309
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: people that live there. Um, And you know, if it

1310
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, that's fine, but maybe someday, you know,

1311
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: this will open up another opportunity to hunt. So I

1312
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: just keep on, keep on, trying to get to know

1313
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: more and more people. Um, and you might get permission.

1314
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: You might just make a new friend, which is great too. Um.

1315
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: And then I think it comes down to then just

1316
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: the work of it. I know so many people who

1317
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about earlier. So many people

1318
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: complain about not having enough places to hunt or not

1319
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: having any word to hunt. And I think it does

1320
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: come around down to just work. Like you just need

1321
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: to do these kinds of things a lot. I even

1322
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: wish I did them more than I do them, because

1323
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: I still feel like I don't have enough places a

1324
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: lot of time. So like going into two thousand and

1325
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: eighteen already, like just like last week, I was sitting

1326
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: in my I know where it was, I don't know

1327
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: where it was, but I was sitting there, like telling myself,

1328
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do better job getting more places next year,

1329
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: Like next year you are gonna have like ten new spots.

1330
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: You gotta do it. You gotta put in the work,

1331
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: you know. Just it's so easy to get lazy or

1332
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: to just be like, I'm okay with these two spots.

1333
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: It's fine. I think we've got we all have a

1334
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of things going on. Or maybe it just it's

1335
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: uncomfortable trying to find places or have these conversations. Um,

1336
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: but if you want it bad enough, you gotta work

1337
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: for I used to know a guy. He was a

1338
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: professional trapper, and he was explaining how he how he

1339
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: like applies all of his permission getting efforts when he looks,

1340
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: and he used a lot of aerial photography, so this

1341
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: is I was thought in him before Google Earth was real,

1342
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, commonly used for this, but he would use

1343
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: aerial photography and he had access to a ton ofment somehow,

1344
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: and a big part of his life and time was

1345
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: just like permissions right And he had identified he worked

1346
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: off of gas lines, so gas line right aways because

1347
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: in this sort of he's in this area where it

1348
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: was mixed like suburban rural interface and kind of like

1349
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: suburban communities up against egg land communities. But he had

1350
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:18,560
Speaker 1: he identified power lines and gas line right aways is

1351
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: being these strips of like brushy habitat that he felt

1352
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: animals used as travel corridors and also he in his

1353
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: area was a big riparian area, so you had like

1354
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: a big river valley, and the river valley was low

1355
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: bottom lands that weren't developed and it was mostly timbered

1356
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: and brushy along those the river bottoms. So he had

1357
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: a couple of power lines, a gas line right away,

1358
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: and a riparian area. And he just systematically worked every

1359
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: piece of property that butted up against those things that

1360
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: he identified as being like travel corridors that he was

1361
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: interest Like, he hunt a lot of deer and had

1362
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot of deer hunting products that he marketed um

1363
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: but also fox and kyoe. He knew traveled those things

1364
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: that could like they were they were um funnels or

1365
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: channels for wildlife, and that was just how he devoted

1366
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: his time. Like he his goal was to be that

1367
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: he would just own both sides of everything like that

1368
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: to focus his activities. Ye, you had a good turkey

1369
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: permission to spring mm hmm. Yeah, there's nothing real exciting

1370
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: about it. But it was just like yeah, well, and

1371
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: it was almost too good to be true because we

1372
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: saw strutters in a field and then we were like, oh,

1373
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: let's go ask you know, we just drove of quarter

1374
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: mile down the road, pulled in. She's like, oh, yeah,

1375
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: have had it, you know. So we went back out

1376
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: and mof the first set up spoot him up into

1377
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: the trees. But then we chased him and caught up

1378
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: to him like an hour later, and we killed one

1379
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: and went back and we're hoping to just get to

1380
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: go back and say thanks and you know, build on

1381
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 1: the relationship and uh, maybe he gets sort of like

1382
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: an all access pass. So we're like, yeah, next time.

1383
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, just stopped by any time, please ask

1384
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: before you go, you know. So but that was kind

1385
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: of like the thing that supposed he doesn't happen anymore though, yeah,

1386
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I was saying at the beginning, how

1387
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: the good old days are over. Everything's different now, but

1388
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: now they come to think of it, last winter, I

1389
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: just want to take my kids small game hunting around

1390
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: where I grew up. And I called my mom to

1391
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: like check around for me. Right, We're just people and

1392
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: it was just there. We just had places to go. No.

1393
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: I heard a story while I was in Wisconsin. Is uh,

1394
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: like I think the guy he just he started talking.

1395
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: He stopped in somewhere, started talking to the to the

1396
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: hite if I think, and she's like, no, no, no, no,

1397
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 1: husband doesn't let anybody hunting here, doesn't let anybody hunt here. No, no,

1398
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: no no. He's like, well, you know, could it please

1399
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: just you know, She's like, yeah, I come back at

1400
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: five or whatever. So it comes back. He's like, no,

1401
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: I really don't let anybody hunting here. And I think

1402
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: it was the same thing he had, like someone else

1403
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: hunting there. But he's like, you know, I just kept

1404
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: talking to the guy and then sure enough he's like,

1405
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: well that guy doesn't really hunt here that much. I

1406
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: think you can hunt like this little corner over here,

1407
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: there's like the fifteen acres and he just and it

1408
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,480
Speaker 1: was basically all just from a little bit of persistence

1409
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 1: and then just from having a long conversation. And it

1410
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: was only one who it was two because he came

1411
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: back in the evening, you know, but he's been he said,

1412
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: he's been hunting the place for years. Now. When you

1413
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: say it came back in the evening, you to talk

1414
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: to the husband, because yeah, he wasn't there at the moment.

1415
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: This summer, I was trying to scout some public land

1416
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: in southern Michigan and on my little landownership map I had.

1417
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: There was one access point to the backside of this

1418
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: big chunk of public that looked like very far away

1419
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: from everywhere else, and you could get into some pretty

1420
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: gnarly stuff. So I thought, I really want to try

1421
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: to sculpt that place out. So I go following this

1422
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: map and I turned onto the road what looks to

1423
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: be a public road on this map that leads to

1424
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: a little parking lot. It's just a little two track,

1425
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: and it looks it goes up next to this guy's yard.

1426
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: And I was just like, man, I don't know, but

1427
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: the map says it's good. So I'm like, all right,

1428
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive back there. So driving him, driving down

1429
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 1: the road, and I get maybe half mile down the road,

1430
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: and I see no trespassing signs on either side of

1431
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: the road. And then you get another like quarter mile

1432
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: down the road, and then you see like skull and

1433
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: crossbones on the trees, and then you get a little

1434
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: farther down and there's a skeleton, like a fake skeleton,

1435
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 1: holding a fake a r rifle. And then it says

1436
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: if you can read this year in my scope, and

1437
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this definitely seems like I'm this

1438
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: must not be the right place. So as I'm seeing

1439
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: all this, I'm like, okay, I need to find somewhere turnaround.

1440
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: And then right when like I see this and I realized, okay,

1441
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here, a golf cart comes

1442
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: flying down the road right at men. I'm like, oh jeez,

1443
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: here we go. So the guy pulls up and I

1444
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: bring down my window and at first he's like fiery

1445
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: and like, what the hell are you doing down here?

1446
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I'm looking at my map,

1447
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: so I was looking for this piece of public land

1448
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: access it looked like this took me right to it,

1449
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm so sorry. Is this, you know,

1450
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: the private road? And he's like yeah, blah blad. He's

1451
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: he's real fired at first, but I just trying to

1452
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: be polite and explain my situation, so I'll get out

1453
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: of here right away. I'm so sorry, um. And then

1454
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: we got like a little bit of like momentum. He's like, well,

1455
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: I can understand the why you came in here. It

1456
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: used to be a public road, but there are so

1457
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: many guys coming down here and leaving crap. And someone

1458
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: left a dead deer on the side of the road

1459
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. I got the you know,

1460
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:45,759
Speaker 1: state to shut it down or something, so now it's private.

1461
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: You can't you can't come down this road, you can't

1462
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: access from here anymore. But we just started talking and

1463
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 1: we just talked and talked and talked and talked, and

1464
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 1: finally he's he's talking about how it used to be

1465
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: people that hunted here, and I was thinking about, Okay,

1466
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: maybe I could get just from mission to drive down

1467
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: the road and park in the old parking lot and

1468
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 1: be able to access the back of the public land. Um,

1469
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: maybe the conversation will take us there in the back

1470
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: of my mind and where we're chatting about things. And

1471
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: then he's talking about back in like the seventies when

1472
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,879
Speaker 1: he used to hunt, and he's talking about his old blinds,

1473
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 1: and then somehow we get to the chores he's doing

1474
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: these days, and then we're talking about how things are

1475
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: with his wife and how he wishes warmer in their house,

1476
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: and just it was a long time when we went

1477
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: everywhere with him, and I was just kind of listening,

1478
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, And I don't want to sound like I'm

1479
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: always like conniving to try to get I was just

1480
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna bring up not a bad way, but like the

1481
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: here you are, you're like, uh yeah, you're like a manipulator.

1482
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not it's not you, not you everyone,

1483
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: I just it's just you're. You're there, Like here's a guy,

1484
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: you want something from him, he doesn't want anything from you.

1485
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: And like that's like part of the the reason you

1486
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: don't want to go and bang on the door. Like

1487
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: if you were showing up and you're like, I'm gonna

1488
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: go bang on that guy's door and give him a

1489
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: thousand bucks, you'd be so excited to go do it, right,

1490
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: We're like I gotta go bang on his door and

1491
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: bother him to ask him for something. And I don't

1492
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: like asking people for stuff, so it makes it uncomfortable.

1493
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: And I think I think the I think if you

1494
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: see an opportunity or if you're if you're having a

1495
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody and it seems natural too if an

1496
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: opportunity rises, I don't think there's any harm in letting

1497
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: the conversation go there or ask or just you know,

1498
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: sometimes nothing comes of it. Sometimes like that he said

1499
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: no right off the bat, you still sit and talk

1500
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: to him, Yeah, because then it's a it's the plight

1501
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: thing to do in many cases be sometimes just interesting conversation.

1502
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: And then see, like in this case, we talked all

1503
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: over from every different side of the world, every different

1504
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: possible thing we could have talked about, and somehow got

1505
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: to the point that he's not feeling so good about

1506
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: cutting wood anymore. And I hear him saying, I was like, man,

1507
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm I like cutting wood. Would would that be something

1508
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: if I ever helped out, you know, cutting would um?

1509
01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'd be happy to help you out. That

1510
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: may be I could just drive down here in park,

1511
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: get the parking lot here, may maybe hunting a couple

1512
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: of times he's like, now we're talking, Yes we are.

1513
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: And then and then come to find out he's not

1514
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: hunting his property anymore. You can hunt my property too.

1515
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: So I just have countless examples of that kind of

1516
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: thing where if you're willing to help out, or if

1517
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: you got in there, yeah, um, and he didn't shoot

1518
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: me and and all that good stuff. It went down

1519
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: pretty well. Stove wood. Not yet, it's gonna be after

1520
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: hunting season, not gonna cut some wood. So yeah, so

1521
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 1: you just gotta let those things go where they may. Um.

1522
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: And then keep after every year I'm doing something like that,

1523
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: trying to find more spots. Yeah, gift given expressions of gratitude.

1524
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to bring up like the the what like

1525
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: non traditional methods and then not really methods. But I

1526
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 1: just think, like, Uh, what's this saying about? You gotta

1527
01:23:53,640 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: be on the dance floor, right, Ryan, help me out? Uh,

1528
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: you ought to be on the dance floor. It's kind

1529
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: of like when opportunity knocks, you know, to make Hay

1530
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: when the sunshine or whatever you gotta dance on the

1531
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: music is playing, Maybe make Hay when the sun shines. No,

1532
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: it's definitely not. I can't kill him on the couch.

1533
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: But if you're not aware of the situation, it's not

1534
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: gonna come to you, right, if you're not just like

1535
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: thinking about or sort of like and wo wou terms

1536
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: like have it, you know, like put it out to

1537
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: the universe that you're looking for hunting permissions, right, Just

1538
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: like I just feel like after a couple of years

1539
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, Right, I'm new to Bozeman and I haven't

1540
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: banged on any doors. I haven't really like made it

1541
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 1: like a point. I haven't done all these things that

1542
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: Mark's talking about but just sort of through you know,

1543
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: talking to people and chatting them up, and my kids

1544
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: making friends with other kids, and then I meet their parents.

1545
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: And the next in the beginning was social connections. Yeah,

1546
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, I felt like we needed to retouch on

1547
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: that and just make sure that we got touch on

1548
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: the dude with the letter. Yeah, I got his letter

1549
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: pulled up. Um, so get done with what you're doing,

1550
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 1: and it walk us through that appreciation. I think it's

1551
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 1: like people get to know you over the course of

1552
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: a few years, and I'm like, you know, ya, tell

1553
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: us and his wife after they put their kids to

1554
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: bad We'll sit up in butcher dear until they do

1555
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: it all themselves. And that's almost all they eat. Isn't

1556
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: that amazing? Oh they have him come out and hunt

1557
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: my place. Yeah, that's the type of person that I

1558
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: would let hunt my place, if I let people hunt

1559
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: my place, because hey appreciate it. I want to point

1560
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: out that my brother, My brother has a sign on

1561
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: his property which isn't big because ten acres and his science.

1562
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: What's to say. I think it says trespensers welcome. Yeah,

1563
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: it's great, Um no not, I mean yeah, I mean

1564
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: appreciation is good. But but I just just just keeping

1565
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: your just being open, you know, in all situations to

1566
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: like something like that coming your way. Yeah, but you're

1567
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: kind of talking about like Lavy and pag and stuff though,

1568
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 1: now about putting it out there to the atmosphere and

1569
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that to the universe. So do you put

1570
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: it out there to the universe? Well, it's like the

1571
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: it's just have it always in the back of your

1572
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: mind and if you happen to have an opportunity to rise,

1573
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: you kind of go there. But some people might see

1574
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,879
Speaker 1: some of the flat tire and strike up a conversation

1575
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: with him, help him out, and never think to mention

1576
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: that you're looking for a place to deer hunt. But

1577
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: I am always thinking about that kind of thing, So

1578
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: I just kind of offhand mention it and it let

1579
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: do that happening. Maybe? Is that kind of I mean,

1580
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: like just kind of allowed networking and the karma of

1581
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: the universe allowed to happen, but also kind of don't

1582
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: you can get all over with it. I just think

1583
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: that it's like you don't have to go be on

1584
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: doors to get a hunting permission? Is my? Is my? Like,

1585
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: like you were so surprised today I remember I was

1586
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: telling about how my dad is a bowl hunter, right, yeah, yeah,

1587
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 1: it was well he was he is still a home inspector,

1588
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: and through his trade, he's gotten all kinds of hunting permissions,

1589
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 1: you know, because he's just he's like, but I mean sure,

1590
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: then that's sort of like almost like built. It's like

1591
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the perfect way, Like you're in someone's house looking at

1592
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 1: the back, put it out to the universe. That's that

1593
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: you're you're out there interacting with I know. But again

1594
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: it's like nontradious, a little bit nontraditional, right, But I

1595
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 1: just think that in whatever whatever thing you do as

1596
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: a living or out there daily, there's probably a way

1597
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 1: that you could network or get hunting permissions. You know.

1598
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I got in your home area. I got a handful

1599
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: of friends that are chiropractors, and they talk of them. Yeah,

1600
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: how do you have more than one chiropractor friend? Because

1601
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: I actually a good explanation for this. A group of

1602
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: guys all met each other going to chiropractor school, a

1603
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: school in Iowa, um, and they're all really in the

1604
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: hunting and I then became friends with one of them,

1605
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: who then introduced me to the others. So there's a

1606
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: group of three of them that are all chiropractors because

1607
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: of school and now they're some of my best hunting buddies. Well,

1608
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: they see forty people a day and they chat with

1609
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: them for fifteen twenty minutes, and every day they talked

1610
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: to every one of those people about hunting in some

1611
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: way if they happen to be No, there's a connection there,

1612
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: and they have all sorts of different permission because of

1613
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: those types of things. So whether you're a doctor or

1614
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever, sometimes you can take you avangela. Yeah,

1615
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: if you were a guy, if you were a tractor

1616
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: salesman or a grain buyer. No, yeah, home inspector, I

1617
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: have the I have the worst job for it because

1618
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I just sit in my home office all by myself

1619
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: every day. You never talked to anyone. I read flagged

1620
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: your foundation. Here, you see this crack, you know what?

1621
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: That's from that whitetail buck over there, that property. Let all. Yeah,

1622
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: I talked about the letter because this is unconventional. I

1623
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: used to think it's just next level, it's next level,

1624
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 1: but this is like really, this is this is just

1625
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:14,640
Speaker 1: this guy had we We got a letter after we

1626
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: talked about how we're gonna We talked about how we're

1627
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna talk about getting permissions and had a lot of

1628
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: a handful of enthusiastic uh emails coming from people encouraging

1629
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: us to have the conversation. And one guy shared with

1630
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: us his strategy, and his strategy is not like anything

1631
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: that we've touched on here, and it seems, on one hand,

1632
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 1: a bit much. On the other hand, it just seems

1633
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: like a really great way for those places where you

1634
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: just can't get it in, you can't figure out a

1635
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: good in. Yeah, and he wanted us to share this

1636
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: to help folks out. His name is Zeric, He's from

1637
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the southeast Zerk. Should we just read the letter? Do

1638
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: you want to kind of give it a read what

1639
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: he wrote, read how he teed it up, and then

1640
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 1: and then walk us through the letter. He's not like,

1641
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: I really like this guy's approach. Oh yeah, uh new hunter, Yeah,

1642
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: and relatively new hunter says, and this is just his

1643
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: email to us, just sort of just saying, hey, what's up, um,

1644
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: listen to listen to what I got Because I'm relatively

1645
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: new hunter, forty two years old, but I have access

1646
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: to over a hundred acres of family land within an

1647
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: hour of my home. To expand my hunting locations to

1648
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 1: within minutes of my home, I developed a boiler plate

1649
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: letter that I customized for attempts to gain access to

1650
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: properties that I scout through online county tax maps that

1651
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: may produce hunting opportunities. When here talking about the online

1652
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: county tax map, he's talking about what used to be

1653
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: known as a plat book or a PLAT map, whereas

1654
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: public information who's paying taxes on what? So you can

1655
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: go down two at the township level in in in

1656
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: the east where you have township level politics, you go

1657
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: to your township, your county and just request a map

1658
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: and that will have all the land parceled out. And

1659
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: this reminds me of something we need to talk about.

1660
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: Not quite man, just so much stuff you can get

1661
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: out of these. You can use these to find places

1662
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: you don't need permissions, but there aren't like actually public land.

1663
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to explain, mhm, yeah, really quick,

1664
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,599
Speaker 1: just to have the places are they're not like part

1665
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: like they're not like state forest, national forests, but just

1666
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 1: like weird little hidie holes that are that are places

1667
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: you could go hunt, but there would never be recognized

1668
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: as such off plat maps by looking at who's paying

1669
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: the taxes in it. But go ahead, Mark, just want

1670
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: to interject. The plat maps you can get them from

1671
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: your township hall or whatever. But you can also get

1672
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 1: digital versions very often if you just google the name

1673
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: of your count and then g I S map. So

1674
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Kent County g I S map And most counties have

1675
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: an online version of that plat map where you can

1676
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 1: see the aerial and the property lines and then click

1677
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: on the property and get all their information too. So

1678
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: so go on. So that's what he's talking about. Yeah,

1679
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: and it's close to what you can get on on

1680
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: X right, and you probably get a little bit more info.

1681
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if you actually get get phone number,

1682
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: you can get home address name, you can get some

1683
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: property information. It's a great tool man. I used to

1684
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 1: I used to live on those things. Oh, here's my

1685
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: here's the quote. I was trying to remember opportunity dances

1686
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: with those already on the dance floor. That was good.

1687
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: I like that, all right, all right, So here's this guy.

1688
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: He gets on some plat maps around his area. Um,

1689
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: I've been complimented, complimented by the Oh I'm not reading

1690
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: the letter. It's this is the what he wrote to us.

1691
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 1: He's been complimented by the professionalism of the letter by

1692
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: end owners and managers that receive it always get a

1693
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: response because of how it is laid out and what

1694
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: is what it offers. I was even contacted by one

1695
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: owner that said that even though he could not permit

1696
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: other hunters on the property because his brother hunts it,

1697
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: he wanted to call me and say that through the

1698
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: years he has received several requests from people to hunt

1699
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,720
Speaker 1: the property and that he had never received a letter

1700
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: so well written concerning that subject. Man, this dude's a

1701
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: writer and he can pitch himself. This guy is onto something.

1702
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 1: Are you paying attention Mark Kenyon? He goes on to say,

1703
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm no means arrogantly promoting my writing abilities. I'm more

1704
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: of a technical writer than a storyteller. But in this

1705
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: case I think would have developed gets the job done,

1706
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: or at least gets the owner's attention. Listeners are pissing

1707
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: themselves with anticipation. My letter highlights my intentions, what I'm

1708
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 1: offering in return a little about me, and does it

1709
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: in a way that visually conveys my message and shows

1710
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm an individual that cares for the environment and is

1711
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: a responsible hunter. Not terribly long, but I believe it's

1712
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: not too much that the reader is overloaded and not

1713
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 1: too short what it would appear, but it was hastily

1714
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: typed out just to gain access to as much property

1715
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: as possible. He goes on to say, they just want

1716
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,679
Speaker 1: to share the letter to help us help you guys

1717
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: out and get more permissions, and he also includes a

1718
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,879
Speaker 1: the he's from North Carolina and the North Carolina Wildlife

1719
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: Resource Commission UM has a permission slip that they have

1720
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 1: on their website that you can just print out that

1721
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 1: is basically a release release hold harmless and indemnification indemnification

1722
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: produced by the n r A. So he attaches that

1723
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 1: in there too, to be like, hey you can, I'll

1724
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: sign this. You sign it. And then, because we live

1725
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 1: in a litigious world, he's given them a yeah. He's

1726
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: like a liability release because yeah, especially people that don't

1727
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: know much about hunting, and this guy's UM. I thought

1728
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: we got out of this that he Yeah, he was

1729
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: like looking for stuff closer to home. I think he

1730
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: was like looking to map. You can tell he's looking

1731
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: at spots sometimes that are small they're kind of yeah,

1732
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: closer to uh you know, urban zones, and uh so

1733
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: people might not be you know, talking about hunting much

1734
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: requests he's because he's looking at this little chunks man

1735
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: like little you know. I got the sense, you know,

1736
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 1: like he wouldn't be overlooking some little twenty or thirty

1737
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 1: acre wedge land somewhere, you know, which is another good point,

1738
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: Like that's another good way to find spots is sometimes

1739
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: those are the best, most likely places you can't get permission.

1740
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: Don't get over zealous and try to get the spot,

1741
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: take the ten in the twenty and um yeah, all right,

1742
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: go on ni um. That's about all he had to say.

1743
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 1: So I'll go to read his letter. I feel that

1744
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 1: the letter starts out almost kind of a little creepy

1745
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: because he's sort of saying like, and have I been

1746
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: watching you? No? Yeah, a little bit um because again,

1747
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: if but it obviously works if you're not familiar, because

1748
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: I think there's plenty of people that probably buy a

1749
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: piece of property, or you buy a house that sits

1750
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: on even if it's a quarter eco lot. And maybe besides,

1751
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: when you flipped through like the signing all the papers

1752
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: at the mortgage house, right. I was like, the only

1753
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: time you looked at the plat map, right, that that

1754
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: came in that package. Right, A lot of people maybe

1755
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: have never really looked at like an aerial view of

1756
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: their property. Right, So he includes it in there, and

1757
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,600
Speaker 1: and it has an outline of his property. So is

1758
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 1: it too much to kind of say what he says

1759
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: for you to tell us what he says? No? Okay, Yeah,

1760
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: he says, Hello, my name is Eric. I'm contacting you

1761
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: concerning the property you own on x y Z Road

1762
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: south of x y Z City in x y Z County,

1763
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina, specifically parcel number six seven. And then there's

1764
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: a little map and the little parcels outlined, and then

1765
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: he even has like a um what you call like

1766
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: a little bubble, you know, it's a little arrow pointing, Yes,

1767
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 1: this is your property. This is the one I'm asking about.

1768
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: I take it back. That's that creepy dot's strike use

1769
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 1: creepy mark. That's that creepy diligent. Yeah, fine line between

1770
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,559
Speaker 1: creepy and diligence. And like we've been talking about, he's

1771
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 1: eliminating the gray area, right, They're like, what of my places?

1772
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Very very likely amitating gray? This dude, gets that done.

1773
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: This forty seven point eight seven acre parcel appears to

1774
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,839
Speaker 1: be a mix of pine and hardwood stands and mayhold

1775
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: habitat for wild turkey, deer, and small game. I would

1776
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: like to enquire about the possibility to scout and legally

1777
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: hunt his parcel. In return for the opportunity to access

1778
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: is parcel to both scout to legally hunt, I'm offering

1779
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: a few items to help preserve the property. First would

1780
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 1: be marking the property per the n C Oldline standard

1781
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: was purple paint along the public roadways to indicate the

1782
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 1: properties private. And then no unauthorized entry or hunting is allowed.

1783
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Talk about service and yourself and acting as though you're

1784
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: servicing someone else, he's saying. And not only that, but

1785
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: I will go and let other guys know, buzz off,

1786
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: this is now my hunt spot. And they explains the

1787
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: purple paint law how it came to be, and there's

1788
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: even a little diagram of like where the purple paint

1789
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 1: needs to be on the tree, how high off off

1790
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: the ground. Yeah, and this is good because a lot

1791
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: of people are like, man, you know again, No, I

1792
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: need to keep half dogging on the guy. But I

1793
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: like at all, because here's the guy. He might not

1794
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: even realize that that's what you're supposed to do to

1795
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: mark it off limits. So now all of a sudden

1796
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I should I guess I'd better do that.

1797
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: I didn't know I needed to do that, and now

1798
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: here's this fine young gentleman offering to do it for me.

1799
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: He continues to um explain that the marking per the

1800
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Landowner Protection Act will give Wildlife officers the ability to

1801
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 1: directly address, insite anyone on the property without written permission

1802
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 1: to access or hunt the property. He's educating. Second, this

1803
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: parcel is large and could have unauthorized entry on the

1804
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: property and unwanted illegal dumping. Should we explain that most

1805
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: people know what that is, right, Yeah, people like trying

1806
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,839
Speaker 1: to get rid of an old couch and a broken

1807
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 1: washing machine. Yeah yeah, never on. This isn't entirely bad

1808
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: because I've killed a lot of rabbits out of that stuff.

1809
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: Rabbits like that stuff. For some reason, they can't come

1810
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: up with five and a half bucks to take it

1811
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: to the city dump. Yeah yeah, the washing machine, It's like,

1812
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,560
Speaker 1: all right, it's good rabbit habit. Tab When you just

1813
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: see like ten white garbage bags. They're eventually gonna ripped apart,

1814
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: you know. Oh it's when I recently took my wife

1815
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 1: on the last holiday season. I took my wife on

1816
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: stot of a tour of all my former hunting spots

1817
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: and just driving around in a vehicle being like, oh, yeah,

1818
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 1: one time we and another time and you wouldn't believed

1819
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: that what in here? And that after a couple of hours,

1820
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: my wife was like, I just cannot believe all the

1821
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: appliances that are out in these woods, like welcome to

1822
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: West Michigan's where appliances go to die. And that time

1823
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: of year, they're very visible because there's no full All

1824
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: the leaves are down and it all just looks like

1825
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: it's like couches and appliance And I'm like, after a while,

1826
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: yeahest you don't see it anymore. It just feels like

1827
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: the woods. Um. So that's a safe assumption. That's a

1828
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: safe assumption that there are there is garbage dumping. During

1829
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: scouting trips, I would gather garbage that I can hand

1830
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: carrying bags and report any unauthorized activity on the property.

1831
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: The goal would be to leave the property cleaner than

1832
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: it was found and helped prevent any future costly clean

1833
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: up when development, agricultural use, or future sales occur as

1834
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: for me. So then he uh basically introduces himself his

1835
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: wife like a little bio man. What he does. There's

1836
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: a picture of he and his wife. I forgot him

1837
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: and his wife. Um he is a code enforcement officer.

1838
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good guy to know. Yeah, because if he

1839
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: was a guy that helps people who have been injured

1840
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: on other people's property get big settlements, that would not

1841
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: work well for him. I wouldn't. I wouldn't include that

1842
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: in my letter. But a code enforcer, if I'm gonna

1843
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: let someone of my land's gonna be a code enforcer. Man.

1844
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: Now it continues with the education which I like. He

1845
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,400
Speaker 1: says this property is not within city limits and therefore

1846
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,919
Speaker 1: discharging a firearms legal, but due to nearby residential properties,

1847
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: rifle hunting would only occur on sections of the property

1848
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: that would be far away from homes where responsible shots

1849
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: would be made if a clear shot. If a clear

1850
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: safe shot is presented, I am both the rifle hunter

1851
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 1: and a bow hunter and carry all items out with

1852
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: me that taken to a property during a hunt. This

1853
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 1: means that no deer stands or blinds, or any other

1854
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: item would be left on the property. I also recognize

1855
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: that there may be a question of liability for harm

1856
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: or injury to anyone on the property, either participating scouting

1857
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: or hunting. As a hunter, I recognize that harm or

1858
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: injuries may occur on any property that may hold natural

1859
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 1: or unnatural obstacles or dangerous I also use tetheror safety

1860
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 1: harnesses when I use climber tree stands. If granted permission,

1861
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: I would sign a waiver removing any owner's liability to

1862
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: injuries or harm to myself and others you permit to

1863
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: be with me while on the property. And then he

1864
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,600
Speaker 1: goes on to talk about the the letter provided by

1865
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: the curacy of the n r A let we talked

1866
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: about earlier. UM some of my requests I'm offering to

1867
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: mark the property is private for the Landowner Protection Act,

1868
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: become eyes for reporting issues that maybe of concern for

1869
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:54,879
Speaker 1: you the landowner, and clean up the property is manageable

1870
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: to bree is found in exchange for access to the

1871
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: property for scouting and legal hunting. Name basically signs off

1872
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 1: says thank you for the opportunity permissions. That's good. I

1873
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: like that guy. One thing that makes me want to

1874
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: add I think I'm running out of things I wanted

1875
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: to add. I've talked about a bunch of times. Maybe

1876
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 1: I haven't told you about it. Market. There's a guy

1877
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: down in the Carolina, this guy by the name of Joe,

1878
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: who has a group back You have ever told you

1879
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 1: about backyard bow pro Uh? Is this? I think I

1880
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: may have heard of it. These guys, they there's a

1881
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: lot of you know, small parcel like suburban rural interface

1882
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: type properties in their area, and they got together a

1883
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: group where they have the group has a proficiency test.

1884
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 1: The group conducts background checks on members they and they

1885
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: have like a bunch of rules, and they're very active

1886
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: in food bank donations. And they're also very active in

1887
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 1: getting permissions from a person and then assuring that that

1888
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: person gets a butchered and wrapped deer from their own

1889
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 1: property delivered back to them. So when you can go

1890
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 1: and seek permission and be like, all of the bow

1891
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: hunters in our group have all done background checks, we

1892
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 1: have a lot they have a liability waiver system. We've

1893
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: all passed proficiency tasks. We have like a seal of

1894
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: approval from our organization. Backyard bow Pro and we provide

1895
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,560
Speaker 1: ex services of the community and we will offer x

1896
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 1: services to you if you're interested in having venison from

1897
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: your own property. And and that is how they and

1898
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 1: they have tremendous success. Do they cap like the number

1899
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,560
Speaker 1: of people allowed on the property? I don't think. I

1900
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 1: don't know enough about it, and you know, and and

1901
01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,640
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to them in a while, um, but

1902
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: it was it was a thing that they were having

1903
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: great success with. So just go look them up. If

1904
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 1: they're not around anymore, they won't be around anymore. But

1905
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: I feel that they're around still. Backyard bow Pro. Interesting idea,

1906
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: but maybe, like you were saying, you could just use

1907
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 1: it sort of as like as as part of your resume.

1908
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 1: You're over there talking to him, you're kind of getting close,

1909
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, yeah, belonging to this group is

1910
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 1: sort of certified me to be out. Yeah, sure, you'd

1911
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: be like if you can go online and check it

1912
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: out and see what kind of standards we have and

1913
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: and find out, you know, when you've got this sort

1914
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: of seal of approval from and granted it's almost like

1915
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 1: self serving, but just like an interesting way to sort

1916
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 1: of because there's no there's no like state or federal

1917
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: version of It's just something that like private people have

1918
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:42,960
Speaker 1: to come up with the sort of come and be

1919
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: like that that a person who might and then and

1920
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 1: their specialty is dealing with people who are otherwise would

1921
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: otherwise be very uneasy with hunting that works well for him.

1922
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: Any final things you want to add, cal Um, I

1923
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: got one one thing that I disagreed with with what

1924
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: Mark said, Mark, Mark Kenyon, Um, so you wanted to

1925
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: hunt Iowa and people are under the assumption that coming

1926
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,639
Speaker 1: from out of state, you gotta pay five thousand bucks.

1927
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: But you want to hunt Iowa for free. None of

1928
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: what we were talking about is hunting for free. You're

1929
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 1: not paying necessary paying cash money. But all of this

1930
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: stuff is, you know, you're, you know, in some cases

1931
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: providing a service. For some cases you're just letting them

1932
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: know that there's some good folks out there and you're

1933
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:47,799
Speaker 1: willing to sit down and have a cup of coffee.

1934
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: But um, you know you're going on somebody's nothing's for free,

1935
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 1: right um? And it's if you go I don't really

1936
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. If you go up and knock

1937
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,719
Speaker 1: on a door to a place where somebody is working

1938
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 1: their butts off to make some sort of living on

1939
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: a on a farmer ranch, and your attitude is I'm

1940
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna get something for absolutely nothing from you. It's not

1941
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,520
Speaker 1: gonna work out well. But in all fairness, the distinction

1942
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: not that I need to speak from Mark. The distinction

1943
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Marcus John is like doing entering into a lease agreement

1944
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,640
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, no you're not, You're not doing that.

1945
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: But it's also it truly is. I think in most

1946
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 1: scenarios there's there's some sort of an exchange. It's not

1947
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 1: just don't go knocking on somebody's door looking for something

1948
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: for nothing. Got that, Mark, I got that. You gotta

1949
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: Rebuttal I think I would say, I mean, I agree

1950
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,479
Speaker 1: with you. I think it was just a poorly war

1951
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 1: worded maybe explanation of the fact that simply that don't

1952
01:47:57,200 --> 01:48:00,200
Speaker 1: look at as costs being prohibitive to you being to

1953
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 1: hunt places, because sometimes you can still get access that

1954
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: doesn't require monetary payment. Now, of course you need to provide.

1955
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: You got to give them, whether it be conversation or

1956
01:48:12,120 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 1: simply uh, respect for their property, all these different things. Um, yes,

1957
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: definitely you don't want to be going in there. The

1958
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: thing is you are people. Some people do carry around

1959
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,560
Speaker 1: this kind of ludicrous idea that they're somehow doing a

1960
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: great service to the land owner just by being out

1961
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,080
Speaker 1: there deer hunt. It's like most guys, if they really are,

1962
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: like most guys are, like, man, Um, I got all

1963
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: these deer and I just can't find anyone who's willing.

1964
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: And I have looked high and low, who's willing to

1965
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: come out and shoot these great, big giant box on

1966
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: my place. It's like, not really your problem. And even

1967
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 1: we get a lot of letters from people saying, I

1968
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: keep hearing about all the wild pig problems in Texas.

1969
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: You think they'd be paying me to come hunt pigs,

1970
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: but I can't get a pig permission because the guy

1971
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: that owns the lane is like the only thing I

1972
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: hate more than pigs is letting dudes I don't know

1973
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 1: come around run around my property with guns like that's

1974
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 1: even more of a nuisance than pigs. So I do

1975
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 1: think you have to go into it that you are

1976
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 1: as graciously as possible, Um, and without being a suck up.

1977
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: You are coming in and saying I'm asking a favor

1978
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: of you. You're inconveniencing them. Yeah, and I like, I

1979
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,479
Speaker 1: am open to ways in which I could offset that

1980
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: through just politeness, gratitude, offers of help. But at the

1981
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:45,760
Speaker 1: core here I am not please understand, I'm not looking

1982
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 1: at this any other way than I am saying to you,

1983
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: May I please? Yeah, absolutely, because if not, you got

1984
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: the balance all mixed up, especially the case of a

1985
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 1: coveted animal like a deer, yeah or whatever. You know,

1986
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: people love watching big old roosters straight across their lawns too,

1987
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about. Jack rabbits backed during

1988
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: the dust bowlt maybe, but generally it's like the guy

1989
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, buddy, I'll do you a good turn

1990
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 1: and allow you access to my property, and I would

1991
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 1: expect some human decency back from you. Yeah. Yeahnny got

1992
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 1: nothing on that. You're spot on. Folks can't see it.

1993
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: But Yanni had a nod. He was nodding like he liked.

1994
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 1: He was agreeing with that. Yeah, he was thinking about

1995
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:45,560
Speaker 1: dancing being on the floor. Mark um, Mark Kenyon, you

1996
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: want you wanna plug word to hunt podcasts and people

1997
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: are interested in like the d the nitty grittys, the

1998
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,640
Speaker 1: nitty grittys, of deer hunting. Yeah, while you're done podcasts

1999
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: and not all this crazy flying around an airplanes out

2000
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: and more wilderness landscapes. But like the nitty gritty, sitting

2001
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: on the back forty chasing white tails three sixty five

2002
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 1: days a year, that is what we talk about. The

2003
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: Saga of holy Field. Didn't even talk about holy Field. Dude,

2004
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. Do you feel that, like,

2005
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: how many years have been trying to get this deer? Well,

2006
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 1: I've been watching him three years. The first year I

2007
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,040
Speaker 1: passed on him, so I didn't want to hu in

2008
01:51:26,040 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: the first year. So two years I've been actively trying

2009
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 1: to kill um. And now you didn't do it again,

2010
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: I still got time. Are you are you feeling any Uh?

2011
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 1: We've talked about this before because you're like, you know,

2012
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: you guy that makes his living talking about deer hunt.

2013
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Are you feel any sort of like uh, like like professional, Like,

2014
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 1: are you feeling like? Man? You know I didn't get

2015
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 1: the deer. Do I still have my claim to legitimacy?

2016
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about my claim to legitimacy um, because

2017
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 1: like we talked about last year, I never based my

2018
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 1: claim to legitimacy based on whether or not I was

2019
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: going to kill more dear than anyone else or whatever

2020
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 1: it might be. Um, but I do feel pressure both

2021
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 1: internal and external. The internal pressure someone else is going

2022
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: to get them quite like or he'll get hit by

2023
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: a car. Yeah, yeah, but I mean the internal pressures.

2024
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 1: I have put so much time and energy into it.

2025
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:24,080
Speaker 1: Like any thing, whether it be all the time and

2026
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: energy put into writing a book or a project you're

2027
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: working on or anything. If you invest a ton of

2028
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 1: time and energy, there's a lot of pressure to get

2029
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 1: whatever outcome you're getting or hoping for, and so I have.

2030
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:38,400
Speaker 1: This season has been a little bit of has caused

2031
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:41,600
Speaker 1: me to reflect a little bit on getting back to

2032
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 1: the enjoyment of it and not being so focused on

2033
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: the outcome because I've gotten a little bit too deep

2034
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 1: into that and have lost the fun in a little

2035
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 1: bit of it. Like I got just so frustrated with

2036
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things that were going on. Um, So

2037
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:56,879
Speaker 1: I have to maintain that balance because I'm very achievement

2038
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: oriented and very very goal oriented. I can get obsessed

2039
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 1: with things like that. So I need to constantly like relax,

2040
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 1: get back to what why you do this? The love

2041
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:09,639
Speaker 1: of what you're doing. Don't focus so much on whether

2042
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 1: or not you can kill this one single deer. But

2043
01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: but that has been my season. I have, you know,

2044
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: put nine pc of all my time in the last

2045
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: three months or whatever it's been to try and to

2046
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: kill this one deer. You've been seeing them? Yeah, Um,

2047
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 1: how many times have you seen him? I've had eleven

2048
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:29,400
Speaker 1: encounters with him? I think this is embarrassing. I tell

2049
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:31,600
Speaker 1: the story. I've told the story on on my podcast

2050
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: More people here than yours. Um, November seven, I had

2051
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:43,360
Speaker 1: him at twenty yards at eleven o'clock in the morning. Um,

2052
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 1: late in the morning. Yeah, late in the morning. What

2053
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 1: was he doing? Uh? He was just I think he

2054
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: was cruising, checking betting areas for betted does in the

2055
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: middle of the day. But I hadn't seen anything for

2056
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, so I had become a little

2057
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: bit distracted. And I was facing this direction, and I

2058
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 1: was holding my phone through the phone and looking up

2059
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 1: every you know, looking up every three seconds, and looked

2060
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: down the phone and I hear a little crunch behind

2061
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 1: my back, turned like that, and he's twenty yards away,

2062
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 1: spinning and running away. So I had him within shooting range.

2063
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 1: And I muffed it because I was on my phone.

2064
01:54:20,439 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: He's paranoid. Oh. But the next three days later I

2065
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 1: went back in close to that area and I had

2066
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: him within shooting range, but he was behind brush. Um.

2067
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,400
Speaker 1: Later that day, one third in the afternoon that day,

2068
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,520
Speaker 1: he came chasing a doll out of the bedding area

2069
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 1: sixty yards um, but running through there. Um. Then I've

2070
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 1: had him many more times that like eight um, that

2071
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So seeing him a lot, had the

2072
01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 1: close calls, but it's it'll be like he'll be here,

2073
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 1: and then I'll sit here, and then the next day

2074
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I'll be sitting there, and he'll be there, and then

2075
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: the next day I'll be there, and then you see

2076
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 1: that I'm always one day behind him or one day

2077
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: ahead of him, like he'll be where I was yesterday sometimes. Um.

2078
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 1: So we've been playing cat and mouse and hasn't worked

2079
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: out yet. But last year I saw got a good

2080
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 1: look at you though. Oh he definitely that was the

2081
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: one time he's ever seen me to mine that I

2082
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: know off. Of course he might have seen me when

2083
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's the one time in the

2084
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: three years of hunted. Yeah, So that I had a

2085
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 1: mental breakdown after Yeah, weird hunt, right, that's like the

2086
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 1: irony of that, so I had I wasn't. I was

2087
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 1: a bad place after that that For that next hour,

2088
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:34,839
Speaker 1: I was in a real bad place. But I mentally, mentally,

2089
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: I was just so upset with myself that I all this,

2090
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,080
Speaker 1: I mean so much talked around and because some hammen,

2091
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: you're upset, you didn't wanna tell me what it was

2092
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 1: that might have been. But but to what I mentioned earlier,

2093
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: so that happened, I was really piste off at myself, frustrated. Um,

2094
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: all my buddies we usually go down and hunt Ohio

2095
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: some property. We got dollar together and we spent like

2096
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:58,680
Speaker 1: a week or so in there. Um, so they went

2097
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 1: down a few days ahead of time. But I kept

2098
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 1: pushing it back. I was like, I gotta focus on

2099
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:03,840
Speaker 1: holy Field. I can't go kept pushing it back, pushing

2100
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it back, pushing it back. I hadn't gone it earlier

2101
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: in the season like we usually do, so I was

2102
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: missing out on this camaraderie aspect of my hunting season

2103
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 1: that I usually have. But I had to kill holy Fields.

2104
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I gotta stay here, I focus on him. Well, this

2105
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: thing happened and I was really frustrated. That night I

2106
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: moved and though I didn't see him that night. Um,

2107
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 1: but after that evening's hunt. And this is over course

2108
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 1: of the twenty seven day period, I hunted twenty six

2109
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: days for him, and fifteen of those were fifteen hour

2110
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: sits or fourteen hour sis. I was there, give me

2111
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: the rundown. Twenty seven days I hunted. Um. So from

2112
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: October November ninet hunted every day but one, and then

2113
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 1: fifteen of those days where all day sits where I

2114
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 1: would get in the head out to the tree stand

2115
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 1: two hours before daylight and I wouldn't come in until

2116
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, after dark. Um. So I you piss into

2117
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: the bottle up there, not pissed for out the tree

2118
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:57,320
Speaker 1: us come up and smell that. Yeah, especially, you should

2119
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: get dog during. You should try to hire dog during

2120
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: to piss of your treat because it work. Maybe he's

2121
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 1: got he's got photo evidence that buck. You should see

2122
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 1: if you get something from I shot a buck once

2123
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 1: right after finishing peing like moments. Um. But the point

2124
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: of my story being that that night or that day

2125
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: had been very frustrated with things, and then I went,

2126
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, from like the low place of being really

2127
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 1: upset at myself to that, starting to think, why am

2128
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: I getting so upset about this? Like, I'm hunting, this

2129
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: is supposed to I love so many things about this.

2130
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 1: Why am I letting myself get so caught up in

2131
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 1: this too? Finally, by the end of that night, realizing,

2132
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I just need to step away from

2133
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 1: it for a little bit. So I'm gonna go down

2134
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: to Ohio with my friends, spend a little time with them, um,

2135
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: you know, get back to some of the things that

2136
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,880
Speaker 1: really matter here versus just killing one specific deer that

2137
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: I arbiturely have chosen to be the only thing that

2138
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 1: will make me happy this season for some stupid So

2139
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: I go down to Ohio and the second damn down there,

2140
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 1: my best friend kills the first buck he's killed in

2141
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: like four years, and I got to be there with him,

2142
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 1: help him recover. I actually saw the whole thing happened

2143
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 1: from across the valley and got to help him drag

2144
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 1: it out, got him do all that kind of stuff

2145
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 1: with him. Um, and it was It was the best

2146
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 1: moment of my whole hunting season. Getting to share that

2147
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: moment with my buddy and be a part of that

2148
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 1: and help out, and it just kind of reminded me,

2149
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, in the end, those other things that really

2150
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: matter most. So I'm really, I'm really glad I made

2151
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 1: that decision. Was a great just reminder to to focus

2152
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: on the important stuff. And you know, hopefully holy Field

2153
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 1: still alive. I haven't. I haven't hunted there in the

2154
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 1: last like eight days and general fire. Yeah, I tend

2155
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 1: I usually stay out. I hunted Opening day. I usually don't,

2156
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 1: but I hunt an opening day. The no I took

2157
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:42,800
Speaker 1: a gun on actually, um, and you're gonna shoot how

2158
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 1: we feel if you had a chance. Yeah, that was

2159
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 1: another thing I didn't up deciding I'm gonna shot him

2160
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 1: with whatever is legal. Um, I'm I'm not a purist.

2161
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 1: I like bow hunting. I love bo hunting. I do

2162
01:58:53,240 --> 01:58:55,560
Speaker 1: that the most, But I'm not fundamentally posed to shooting

2163
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: him with a gun. But you passed on him another

2164
01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:01,080
Speaker 1: time with a gun last year. That was because he

2165
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:02,680
Speaker 1: knew that he would at that point, he knew that

2166
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,760
Speaker 1: it would live. I thought, I hoped that he would

2167
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 1: make it to this year. So last year I chose

2168
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:07,880
Speaker 1: not to try to kill him with any weapon. And

2169
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 1: I could have killed with a muzzler sixty yards last year. Um,

2170
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 1: but shows at that point in the season because there's

2171
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 1: only like, you know, twelve days left of the season

2172
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:17,800
Speaker 1: or whatever to see if you can make to this year.

2173
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 1: So but that that is like another pressure. So there

2174
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: was like the internal pressures and then like there's a

2175
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,240
Speaker 1: lot of people that have been following along with the

2176
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 1: story and like want to see what happens, and so

2177
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 1: I have felt some of that external pressure. But I'm

2178
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 1: trying to say that doesn't matter. Just hunt your hunt

2179
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 1: and enjoy it and learn from it and share what

2180
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: happens along the way. And that's that's what I'm trying

2181
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 1: to do. So when was the last you know? But

2182
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 1: you would probably have caught wind if someone got him, right,

2183
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 1: because you know the guys in your area. I think

2184
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 1: I would know. There's a there's a couple of people

2185
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 1: that I don't know, so if one of them killed,

2186
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have found out was the last day you

2187
01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 1: knew that he was still in the living? I had

2188
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:56,600
Speaker 1: him at eighty yards twice the night before fire up season. Okay,

2189
01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 1: so how old is it? He's I and half I

2190
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:04,120
Speaker 1: believe he's getting in the autumn of his life man. Yeah,

2191
02:00:04,440 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: there's there's not many bucks that older on my neck

2192
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:10,240
Speaker 1: of the woods there, and I've hunted this property six

2193
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 1: or seven years, and this is the first buck that

2194
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: I know. This made it the first first five and

2195
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 1: a half year five and a half year old deer

2196
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,440
Speaker 1: that's there. There's just three year olds would be usually

2197
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,760
Speaker 1: be the oldest deer in the area. So, um, he's

2198
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 1: an anomaly. So it's been really cool to have that

2199
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:25,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to see a deer so many times. I mean

2200
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,960
Speaker 1: last year I saw him twenty seven times. This year

2201
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,920
Speaker 1: it's been eleven so far. Um, and you got how

2202
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,120
Speaker 1: long now because the rifle's gonna end? And you got

2203
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:37,200
Speaker 1: how long did bow hunt him? Well, muzzler season now

2204
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 1: opens the day after fire up season, and you're getting

2205
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:43,880
Speaker 1: on that yeah, and then uh and that's done the

2206
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:46,840
Speaker 1: seventeenth and after that's bow you'de not gonna take that letter. Yeah,

2207
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,040
Speaker 1: And he was reading and sent that letter to everyone's

2208
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:52,160
Speaker 1: around that property and just locked that place up with

2209
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:58,320
Speaker 1: just me permissions. I'll get that buck better, hopefully. Someone

2210
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:03,840
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, you know somebody I wanted to

2211
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to be you because because because it means

2212
02:01:06,600 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 1: so much to you. You know, maybe that's silly that

2213
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:13,480
Speaker 1: it matters so much to me. I don't know. I'm

2214
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:17,960
Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna learn because that's that's you're at and

2215
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:22,360
Speaker 1: the thing that you're interested in, you're in the You're

2216
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 1: in in it the deepest way possible. Yeah, to just

2217
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 1: be that you like would go out. Most people walk

2218
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:30,640
Speaker 1: around the woods. They don't know what's going on. If

2219
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 1: you go out and sort of identify this specific animal

2220
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:39,320
Speaker 1: and those entire history and then like focus on them

2221
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 1: and try to get them rather than just sort of

2222
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,120
Speaker 1: the blind random luck that happens. But I've also pointed

2223
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:47,400
Speaker 1: out that it's gonna be sad too, with how well

2224
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 1: you know him. It was like shooting your brother, no

2225
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:55,880
Speaker 1: doubt about. We're talking at lunch. We're talking at lunt

2226
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: about how I'm about who Greece Um, about being over

2227
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: confident or like you know, putting the deer on the

2228
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: wall before you shoot him and stuff. And as you

2229
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:05,680
Speaker 1: guys were talking about, I was thinking in my head

2230
02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: how I've envisioned what it would be like to shoot him,

2231
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:11,400
Speaker 1: Like I've thought about that moment, like walking up on him, um,

2232
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: and I felt moments of like that already, Like I

2233
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 1: can't I don't remember when this, but but I actively

2234
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 1: remember thinking about shooting him and walking up and like

2235
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 1: holding his head and like feeling an immense amount of

2236
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:27,720
Speaker 1: sadness about that moment. You had a mind movie about it. Yeah, yeah,

2237
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 1: And so I know I know I will feel that way.

2238
02:02:29,320 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 1: I've I've I've hunted other deer in multiple years and

2239
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:34,720
Speaker 1: had like many counters. I've had a shallower version of

2240
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:36,840
Speaker 1: this in the past, and even those times, you know,

2241
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 1: you feel any deer I kill, there's a sense of

2242
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:46,040
Speaker 1: of I don't know if more sadness, immense respect, a

2243
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: whole slew of different types of emotions. And I know

2244
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 1: that that will happen again with if I'm fortunate enough

2245
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:52,840
Speaker 1: to kill this dear. I'm sure I will feel that,

2246
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,520
Speaker 1: but maybe in a in a different way than before too.

2247
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: When we touched on this before, I remember Yanny saying

2248
02:02:58,280 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 1: he's got the feeling that way about a deer just

2249
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:05,200
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Yeah, just watching the buck all day,

2250
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 1: watching waiting for him the stand up. You know, are

2251
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:11,720
Speaker 1: you started being like, oh a little bugger seven times?

2252
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's well, I mean every different scenario, right,

2253
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 1: so that's add a little more depth to the character.

2254
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:21,800
Speaker 1: And I've never ever ever had anything like this happened

2255
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 1: before to this degree. I mean the year before was

2256
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,280
Speaker 1: probably four or five times. Last year twenty seven eleven,

2257
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:31,160
Speaker 1: this time, I mean that's pretty astronomical. So last question

2258
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:33,760
Speaker 1: for you, if if you get them or someone else

2259
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,240
Speaker 1: gets them, do you have you already picked out what

2260
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:40,040
Speaker 1: buck is next? What buck you're gonna start like obsessing

2261
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:43,040
Speaker 1: over next? Do is there a contender? There's a contender,

2262
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:48,160
Speaker 1: you got one you might decide to obsess over well,

2263
02:03:48,240 --> 02:03:50,960
Speaker 1: just because like this, it's a small property. It's a

2264
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 1: single small property in a heavily hunted area, so there's

2265
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:59,000
Speaker 1: almost only ever one like shooter buck any given year,

2266
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:01,280
Speaker 1: like a mature buck and that area like three years old.

2267
02:04:01,320 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like the oldest buck will be. But there's

2268
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 1: a three year old this year. That's like a nice

2269
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: three year old um who I would love to see

2270
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 1: make it to next year. I'm really really hoping he

2271
02:04:09,320 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 1: makes it. He's like just a nice wide eight pointer um.

2272
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:15,960
Speaker 1: And as we white tail guys do, I named him.

2273
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 1: This is uh a self fulfilling prophecy, is what my

2274
02:04:24,280 --> 02:04:28,080
Speaker 1: hope will be I'm naming him Survivor so that he's

2275
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:30,080
Speaker 1: the buck I really want to survive this year. So

2276
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 1: that buck, are you gonna change his name when you

2277
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,920
Speaker 1: start wanting to right next year, he's got to switch

2278
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:38,120
Speaker 1: it up to dead. So now you're just like helping

2279
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 1: him along. And I've seen him a lot this year too.

2280
02:04:41,480 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 1: He's cool deer and and most likely all these deer

2281
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 1: won't even be around when I get back to hunting

2282
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:48,840
Speaker 1: in a couple of days. But he gotta hope. And

2283
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,400
Speaker 1: because I have been picked up by other hunters, probably

2284
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:53,440
Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, I do what I can

2285
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:56,440
Speaker 1: to try to um have an environment where they might

2286
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:57,920
Speaker 1: be able to make it through, you know, like we

2287
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:01,640
Speaker 1: talked about last year or last podcast. UM, so hopefully

2288
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:04,680
Speaker 1: they'll be a few bucks to make it throw. But something, yeah, bro,

2289
02:05:05,160 --> 02:05:08,360
Speaker 1: and some do they always do. I just want to say,

2290
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:12,360
Speaker 1: I just I really understand about like getting on the

2291
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 1: phone at eleven am. And I was so lucky this

2292
02:05:15,240 --> 02:05:18,000
Speaker 1: I was in Wisconsin hunting gun deer this year and

2293
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:22,000
Speaker 1: sitting in tree stands and I forgot my phone opening day.

2294
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:23,720
Speaker 1: It was like the best thing that ever happened to me.

2295
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:25,960
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of stressed like we like drove

2296
02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:28,200
Speaker 1: for me five minutes and then to walk back into

2297
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:30,080
Speaker 1: the property and not like in the car, I'm like, gosh,

2298
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 1: I run back and get it, you know, pictures. But

2299
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 1: I knew really in the back of my head. No,

2300
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: like mid day, you're gonna be like emailing and freaking yeah,

2301
02:05:38,600 --> 02:05:43,200
Speaker 1: flipping Instagram, you know. And uh, but that first day,

2302
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:46,200
Speaker 1: I was the worst tree stand sitter I've been. And again,

2303
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 1: I just haven't been doing it a lot in the

2304
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 1: last twenty years. But man, you just forget. And I

2305
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 1: had a pretty open set up, like they had cut

2306
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:56,280
Speaker 1: all around this tree stand is somebody else had put

2307
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 1: it up there years ago. But I think what you

2308
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 1: used to have pretty good cut her. I mean I

2309
02:06:00,680 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 1: was now just like playing to the to the world.

2310
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:05,080
Speaker 1: It's I had to be an extra good sitter, you know.

2311
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,760
Speaker 1: And and by like you got lighted seven and by

2312
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:10,320
Speaker 1: like eight, I'm just like, you're being way too fidgety

2313
02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:12,080
Speaker 1: on it. You're being way too fidgety, you know. And

2314
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:15,160
Speaker 1: the first like six d I see, I'm just seeing

2315
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:18,880
Speaker 1: flax because they're seeing me a long time before, you know,

2316
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:22,640
Speaker 1: because it's just why like you got like a chest

2317
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:26,440
Speaker 1: like a breast pocket. If you're like dying of guilt

2318
02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 1: about stuff you're supposed to be doing, but you're sitting

2319
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 1: out in the woods instead, and you're trying to like

2320
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:33,920
Speaker 1: even if you're trying to maintain the appearance that you

2321
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:38,480
Speaker 1: are at work, right, you haven't shared with you This

2322
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:40,200
Speaker 1: is just like a tip I'm giving people, Like my

2323
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: work structure is that I need to act like I'm

2324
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:46,560
Speaker 1: not hunting. But if I was in one, if you

2325
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 1: get like a breast pocket, uh, and you just ease

2326
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 1: er out like a like a poker player close to

2327
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,200
Speaker 1: the chest, I'm doing it right now. Ease are out,

2328
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. Ease er back, and you know,

2329
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 1: spooking deer. No no, I'm not saying that necessarily. The

2330
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:05,920
Speaker 1: phone was um, but you are taking yourself out of

2331
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:09,520
Speaker 1: the game. You should know about coming and you should

2332
02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 1: be like getting, yeah, what gets the tree and positioning

2333
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 1: yourself for when he's coming. You don't know he's coming,

2334
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:19,240
Speaker 1: and he's just yeah, but just speaking to the the

2335
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:22,280
Speaker 1: like the idea of being a good tree stand hunter

2336
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:24,960
Speaker 1: and a good you know, Eastern white tail hunter. It

2337
02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,720
Speaker 1: just requires you to freaking sit still, move your head

2338
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,600
Speaker 1: slowly you know, don't jerk your whole body around when

2339
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 1: you're looking over your shoulder behind the tree, you know,

2340
02:07:35,120 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: and just it's I just remember like on Sunday morning

2341
02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:40,080
Speaker 1: when I got into the tree, and like midday, I

2342
02:07:40,200 --> 02:07:42,160
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I've done a really good job

2343
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:44,120
Speaker 1: the last four hours. You know, I've just been like

2344
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:48,280
Speaker 1: sitting here, like not moving, not dicking around, not going

2345
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,840
Speaker 1: in for more sneakers and more snacks than another couple

2346
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 1: of kids candies to the Halloween candy confiscated. Maintaining that

2347
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:59,480
Speaker 1: focus though, it's tough when you're doing day after day

2348
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:02,520
Speaker 1: after day all day and you're sitting. Yeah, people think

2349
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: it's easy. Oh they're just sitting a tree all day.

2350
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:09,440
Speaker 1: I know. It's compared now, compared to you know, Rocky

2351
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 1: Mountain el hunting or whatever, it's not the same kind

2352
02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:14,400
Speaker 1: of physical way and tilS like a different kind of

2353
02:08:14,920 --> 02:08:17,520
Speaker 1: a different dude. We got a friend, Jeff Lander, who

2354
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 1: guides this is bow only area up outside of Edmonton, Alberta.

2355
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,960
Speaker 1: And by the time Rut comes there, they're dealing in

2356
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:35,720
Speaker 1: like negative zero weather hunting November up there. And to

2357
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:41,160
Speaker 1: hear his stories about what it takes two tree stand

2358
02:08:41,240 --> 02:08:45,920
Speaker 1: hunt in November and Alberta is like it's like some

2359
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:50,800
Speaker 1: harrowing tales of endurance, and just like the clothes, and

2360
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:53,080
Speaker 1: just to try to manage everything because you gotta have

2361
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,720
Speaker 1: You gotta be at some point be able to whip

2362
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:02,520
Speaker 1: out bare fingers and shoot the damn dear and like

2363
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: to be able to be warm enough to pull all

2364
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,440
Speaker 1: that off in a way that makes sense. There's no joke, man,

2365
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: I believe in the focus factor is so much larger

2366
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:15,760
Speaker 1: than anybody has put You can't put enough words on

2367
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 1: paper on it. It's like you have got in the

2368
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 1: tree stand, which admittedly have done at this point. Let's

2369
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:26,680
Speaker 1: just call it zero compared to everybody else in the room.

2370
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:33,120
Speaker 1: And then but the mule deer, rightful, elk whatever, man

2371
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:39,400
Speaker 1: it the second you let your head go out of okay,

2372
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 1: do or die? This is it. This is my opportunity.

2373
02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 1: And the second you wander away from that mentally, you

2374
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:52,360
Speaker 1: make mistakes. I mean, you just do absolutely, man, mental focus.

2375
02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:55,920
Speaker 1: I want to touch on one thing I keep wanting

2376
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:58,120
Speaker 1: to come back to and in big time white tailed

2377
02:09:58,240 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: guy world, thinking it is okay to snake her out

2378
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,600
Speaker 1: and just whizz off the edge of tree stands, Yeah,

2379
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:08,800
Speaker 1: snaker out. That's the general practice. That is the general practice.

2380
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,840
Speaker 1: I've read study. There's been studies done to test the

2381
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 1: reaction of deer to human urine, a placebo, dear, earine, etcetera, etcetera,

2382
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:21,960
Speaker 1: a handful of different things, and there's no noticeable impact.

2383
02:10:22,200 --> 02:10:24,240
Speaker 1: So buck me and juice is just may not be

2384
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 1: particular to dog. I think he's just seeing a universal effect.

2385
02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:32,160
Speaker 1: I've had it happened three times. I've got a joke

2386
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 1: with my buddies that when I'm not seeing dear, I'll

2387
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:37,280
Speaker 1: be like, well, I thought I had bucked juice, so

2388
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 1: I would be like, well, it's trying to try to

2389
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:41,920
Speaker 1: bring him in. So I've had big buck encounters three

2390
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 1: times while doing that. Yeah, because that's what I do.

2391
02:10:44,720 --> 02:10:46,520
Speaker 1: But I always feel a little bit like, I'm like,

2392
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:49,200
Speaker 1: I bet you that the big time white tail guys

2393
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:53,520
Speaker 1: are like truckers with the bottle, with the bottle that

2394
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:59,400
Speaker 1: they then throw off a highway over pass. There might

2395
02:10:59,440 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 1: be some, but but most I hear, what what do

2396
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,800
Speaker 1: you think about the sound though? Because I got a

2397
02:11:05,800 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 1: story about that that brings in bucks. Don't tell me

2398
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:14,200
Speaker 1: on opening day, some doughs I can't see. I think

2399
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:16,320
Speaker 1: they're doughs, but they're what do you call it? When

2400
02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:21,000
Speaker 1: they just like they blow at you, just bow. I

2401
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:23,160
Speaker 1: can't see them. A couple of I'll do the noise.

2402
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:24,920
Speaker 1: People who don't know the noise we're talking about, Yeah,

2403
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It's the worst noise in the world.

2404
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:37,240
Speaker 1: And do then I'll do the out version, y'all, even

2405
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:43,200
Speaker 1: do a good out version. Yeah, here's an antilope. Here's

2406
02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:53,520
Speaker 1: what antilope does. So and there it is. That's a

2407
02:11:53,600 --> 02:12:00,200
Speaker 1: good one. I'd a lot nothing that makes its adent

2408
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:03,680
Speaker 1: all because they blew at me once and thirty minutes

2409
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 1: goes by, so I'm thinking they just went in the

2410
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:09,200
Speaker 1: other direction, well, along the same ridge that they're on.

2411
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:13,920
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes later, I need to take a leak, So

2412
02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 1: I just moved a little bit and make a bunch

2413
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:20,160
Speaker 1: of movement. And as soon as I start, my piece

2414
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 1: starts hitting the leaves down the low and I'm like, God,

2415
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 1: that's awfully loud. You know, I'm like, damn it. You

2416
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:30,280
Speaker 1: know it's on the same ridge. So I don't know. Coincidence.

2417
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:31,920
Speaker 1: Might have been the same deer and they were aware

2418
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 1: of me already, and so they were just like, are

2419
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 1: you down there again? Or but here's the thing, I

2420
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:42,440
Speaker 1: don't really do it that way. I aim it back

2421
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:46,920
Speaker 1: so arches out, it kind of hits the tree broadcast,

2422
02:12:47,080 --> 02:12:50,800
Speaker 1: which is quiet. So I was gonna say my recommended

2423
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: trajectory is to hit a tree trunk close to you.

2424
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:56,400
Speaker 1: That makes it much quiet. You don't make like a

2425
02:12:56,440 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 1: little leaf pile down there and go on it. But well,

2426
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:00,880
Speaker 1: like I said, I was in the middle of a

2427
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:04,880
Speaker 1: clear cut. Okay, I know I should have just yeah,

2428
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:07,680
Speaker 1: I had. It was one of these all days. Throw

2429
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 1: a long distance because you're when you're fourteen feet up,

2430
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:16,280
Speaker 1: you can lander, not Jeff lander the lander. You can

2431
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:20,440
Speaker 1: land or way out yonder or to whatever. And yeah,

2432
02:13:20,440 --> 02:13:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't like to go on the leaves because this

2433
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 1: is real loud. If you're in close, you've got to

2434
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 1: be conscious of everything. And had some very painful, prolonged

2435
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:36,480
Speaker 1: peas in close on mule deer archery. What do you

2436
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:41,720
Speaker 1: mean where you're like every sound matters. You've basically stripped

2437
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:46,520
Speaker 1: down to nakedness because you think everything's making Yeah, yeah,

2438
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:48,400
Speaker 1: but it can be part of your calling game for

2439
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 1: ELK too. You've heard elk p in the woods. Yeah,

2440
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,760
Speaker 1: well that's that's what I go back to those you know,

2441
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,960
Speaker 1: when a deer peas and the story about the noise. Yeah,

2442
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 1: like there's some kind of leaf liquid noise there. So

2443
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:07,440
Speaker 1: all day sit and I'm just like lunchtime. So I've

2444
02:14:07,480 --> 02:14:09,400
Speaker 1: reached in for an apple. I take a bite out

2445
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 1: of an apple, and just as I do that, I

2446
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 1: see something off to my left. I'm in some thick

2447
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:17,000
Speaker 1: bedding cover and there's a buck, like twenty yards. It

2448
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 1: would been like a kind of wettish day had already

2449
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 1: been there. He had been walking through and just kind

2450
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:23,760
Speaker 1: of come into an opening, and I'm like, mid bite

2451
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:27,160
Speaker 1: of my apple. Jesus, a deer right there. So I'm

2452
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:29,400
Speaker 1: thinking he saw me, but he didn't. I watched him.

2453
02:14:29,400 --> 02:14:31,440
Speaker 1: He just kind of fiddling around. It was like a

2454
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 1: bunch of down maple tree leaves I remember seeing there.

2455
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:36,680
Speaker 1: And so he was there for like ten minutes, eleven minutes,

2456
02:14:36,720 --> 02:14:39,360
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, and I'm watching him and he's just fiddling

2457
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:41,480
Speaker 1: around and he won't leave, and now he's at like

2458
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:45,240
Speaker 1: twelve yards eleven yards, and this whole time, I have

2459
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,400
Speaker 1: to pee. I gotta pee, I gotta pee, I gotta pee.

2460
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:49,480
Speaker 1: In this Finally, like the stupid buck won't get out

2461
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:52,480
Speaker 1: of here, I gotta pee, and I'm like, you know what,

2462
02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:58,360
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. So I just took a pe

2463
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:01,760
Speaker 1: off the tree while wa channel buck twelve yards away.

2464
02:15:02,520 --> 02:15:06,280
Speaker 1: See what happened. And I went into leaves and couldn't

2465
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:08,200
Speaker 1: reach a tree. Couldn't reach a tree trump so peeing

2466
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:11,440
Speaker 1: off the stand into leaves with about twelve yards away,

2467
02:15:12,520 --> 02:15:15,720
Speaker 1: and he looked up, looked in the area of that

2468
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:19,720
Speaker 1: sound for like five seconds as it was going, and

2469
02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:23,240
Speaker 1: then he just kept hearing it, and he's like munch

2470
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 1: on leaves or whatever, and then his head back down

2471
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:30,360
Speaker 1: eating this stuff. I didn't care one bit. I wouldn't

2472
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:32,960
Speaker 1: recommend that after I would never have never recommend doing

2473
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:36,000
Speaker 1: They're just they've been doing where they have been playing

2474
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: disembodied human voices to animals out in the woods to

2475
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:44,640
Speaker 1: get their response. They don't like it. I believe that

2476
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:49,360
Speaker 1: they don't like it that they have cameras set up

2477
02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:52,040
Speaker 1: so they know when they're there and they can play

2478
02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:58,680
Speaker 1: a disembodied human voice and no, what's the message though, Well,

2479
02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 1: they've been using the als a brasive voices they can find,

2480
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:05,240
Speaker 1: so they use pundits from the extreme left and extreme right.

2481
02:16:06,080 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 1: That's part of the study. I think they're using like

2482
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,160
Speaker 1: Rachel man Out and Bill O'Reilly or something like that,

2483
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:17,000
Speaker 1: like the voices that they like, these sort of like

2484
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:20,520
Speaker 1: voices that tend to make some segment of the population

2485
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 1: extremely angry. It's a prolonged debate over three months. They're

2486
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:29,320
Speaker 1: not controlling for enough. I remember that being a part

2487
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:31,640
Speaker 1: of it. They're they're they're the part I read they

2488
02:16:31,680 --> 02:16:34,200
Speaker 1: were looking at lions with how my Olwain lions would

2489
02:16:34,720 --> 02:16:38,920
Speaker 1: respond to human voice, and they're not big fans. Um.

2490
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:43,360
Speaker 1: All right, Mark Kenyon, thank you for very much for

2491
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:49,120
Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you, it's been fun. Callahan again, thank you. No,

2492
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:52,800
Speaker 1: that was awesome. Mark. Thanks and you can find these guys.

2493
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 1: You can find callahana old cal four oh six. Right,

2494
02:16:57,959 --> 02:17:01,360
Speaker 1: that is correct. Well, see a l four oh six.

2495
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,800
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd go on this line. That's your

2496
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:08,000
Speaker 1: Instagram handle, okay, four oh six, Mark Kenny wire to

2497
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:10,680
Speaker 1: hunt you runn under wire to hunt. I'm across it

2498
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:15,480
Speaker 1: all yep, Instagram, Facebook, etcetera, etcetera. All right, thanks guys,