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Speaker 1: the man I was telling you before we hopped on.
Speaker 1: I was at the gym today and I had FS
Speaker 1: one on the television, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: look up and I see this beautiful man next to
Speaker 1: Colin Coward, and it's no other than Tom Brady, who
Speaker 1: looked tanner than you. Colin. He looks fantastic. He's he's
Speaker 1: a good looking guy. He is, he is, I said
Speaker 1: during the interview, never try to limit your appearances on
Speaker 1: a TV screen. Next to Tom Brady, he and Jesse
Speaker 1: Palmer make even a moderately you know, redeemable guy. And
Speaker 1: I think moderately redeemables where I classify you look like
Speaker 1: you're out bailing. Hey, you've been in a You've been
Speaker 1: in a ditch for six hours. Next to Brady, you
Speaker 1: did a thing a long time ago on year Old.
Speaker 1: You're the old place that when you walked in the
Speaker 1: hallways you crossed Jesse Palmer. You just realized it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a fair game for all of us, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's I would take an exit. I just jumped into
Speaker 1: an office, didn't even I didn't want to be seen
Speaker 1: in the same space. So but Brady was in New York.
Speaker 1: They want something with the sun and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's Uh. I tried to Butter. I had a
Speaker 1: joke to start because I know, you know, there's Tom
Speaker 1: on that podcast kind of has control of it. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to lighten up the mood with a Mike
Speaker 1: Rabel thought, because I know he's close with Rabel, and
Speaker 1: it got Tom in a good mood and we were
Speaker 1: off and rolling for about twelve fifteen minutes. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was very gracious. I've you know, I've interviewed almost
Speaker 1: I think everybody, you know, Tiger Woods, Barack, Obama, Trump, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, every coach, anybody I've wanted. He was one
Speaker 1: of the last ones. So it was great. Well, I
Speaker 1: got two things on it. To me. One thing that
Speaker 1: stood out. You asked him a very direct question, is
Speaker 1: there a one percent chance of you coming back? And
Speaker 1: the thing I noticed, and I understand it's, you know,
Speaker 1: this game is meant the light. It's his life, it's
Speaker 1: his identity. He refused to use the word retirement, and
Speaker 1: I mean he kind of beat around the bush, but
Speaker 1: he did not say like It's not like he easily
Speaker 1: could have said, Colin, under no chance, I'm taking this
Speaker 1: year off. Next year be a Fox, but I am
Speaker 1: not coming back under any circumstances. He kind of went
Speaker 1: the BELICHICKI and worked around it. What would your take
Speaker 1: on that? Well, you know, now his business is on
Speaker 1: the East coast, right, so I mean Tom will be
Speaker 1: able to throw the football. He set two NFL records
Speaker 1: this year, So Tom will be able to throw the
Speaker 1: football in ten years from now. As Drew Bledsoe always says,
Speaker 1: you don't lose the arm, you'll lose the legs, You'll
Speaker 1: lose the desire. So Tom. If Tom stays in shape,
Speaker 1: I don't doubt. And let's say the Niner things just
Speaker 1: implodes totally and they can call him in August and
Speaker 1: say can you play October first? I think you take
Speaker 1: the phone call. You know, the Niners one, even though
Speaker 1: it's cross country. The roster is so good, you know,
Speaker 1: there's just there's part of me that thinks, how would
Speaker 1: he not take the call? Because it's not a quarterback
Speaker 1: demanding job, it's a quarterback friendly job. Now, when I
Speaker 1: watched Brady at the Beach, I thought it was over.
Speaker 1: And his answer today, though he didn't give a definitive
Speaker 1: I still think it's over. But I let's say I
Speaker 1: retired and I meant it. What if a year later,
Speaker 1: like the greatest job ever is offered, I'd probably pick
Speaker 1: the phone up. You know. I mean it's like Tom
Speaker 1: looks great, still has a great arm, just was in
Speaker 1: an offense that completely utterly depended on him and got
Speaker 1: them to win the division. So I think he's done.
Speaker 1: But just because you're done doesn't mean you know, he's
Speaker 1: not only a football player, he's an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs always
Speaker 1: picked the phone up. You know, obviously I lived in
Speaker 1: Northern California a long time, and you know, you're a
Speaker 1: fan of your team, but as you grow older, whether
Speaker 1: you play or whether you just do different things, that separates.
Speaker 1: But there is an element of one, the guy loves
Speaker 1: to win and the team is set up to win.
Speaker 1: And two, like I lost my dad a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and you know you've lost parents, there is
Speaker 1: a unique part as your parents' age if you do
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do something special with them. So
Speaker 1: that's I'd be shocked if not just Kyl, but I've
Speaker 1: bet Josh McDaniels as well. Those two teams, to me,
Speaker 1: are going to have a conversation with this man. Now,
Speaker 1: whether Tom comes back, but those conversations are going to
Speaker 1: be had. Yeah, just because you retire doesn't mean people
Speaker 1: can't read out exactly. So I think Tom has retired.
Speaker 1: It felt authentic to me, But you know, let's and
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman got phone calls Drew Brees has gotten phone calls.
Speaker 1: That's the way the game is. Like when you retire
Speaker 1: and you're great, you know this, Three to four teams
Speaker 1: every year get trapped every year. Happens in training camp.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's like Tom's going to get calls.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna say no to all of them,
Speaker 1: but the Niners because of the roster. You at least
Speaker 1: take the call. Poor yourself, Poor yourself a pint and
Speaker 1: sit and talk for thirty minutes and laugh, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to take the call, you know.
Speaker 1: And last thing on Tom. One thing I found funny
Speaker 1: is a lot of people, you know, the media, critics
Speaker 1: and Twitter or whatever, think, you know, it's Greg Olsen
Speaker 1: has done a great job, and listen, he's good and
Speaker 1: he seems like a fantastic guy. But it's crazy that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady just gets to come in and take the
Speaker 1: job no experience. The reality is there's a small percentage
Speaker 1: of people Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Tom Brady if they
Speaker 1: want the number one gig. I don't care who it
Speaker 1: is they're getting replaced, unless it is John Madden Tom
Speaker 1: Brady sitting in that seat. Regardless who's there. It's just
Speaker 1: there's a level of fame that Tom has a massed.
Speaker 1: I would say the last five or six years take
Speaker 1: them to another stratosphere that it's just great, great, But
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I stay out of those conversations. Greg is fantastic, And
Speaker 1: now Tom announced that Greg's going to do it again
Speaker 1: with Kevin Burkhart. Yeah, because I think Tom really a
Speaker 1: needs the ex hail and b wants to figure out
Speaker 1: how to do this to be great at it. So
Speaker 1: that'll be something. But my bosses figure out, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't include me in those conversations, like right, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm glad that I'm a broadcaster and
Speaker 1: I don't really have to do that because the one
Speaker 1: thing Fox does a remarkable job at they're really good
Speaker 1: at it is production. When I worked at ESPN, there
Speaker 1: were there were tons of talented people, but I didn't
Speaker 1: think we were overly creative some of I mean, ESPN's
Speaker 1: had that NBA pregame show for twenty years. I still
Speaker 1: don't think they ever get it perfectly right. Fox figured
Speaker 1: out soccer quickly. Took him about two years to figure
Speaker 1: out golf, their World Series coverage, their college football Big Ten,
Speaker 1: the show they did with Urban Meyer. From a production standpoint,
Speaker 1: Fox does TV really well. Everything feels big, and so
Speaker 1: Brady feels huge. So he's a natural choice for Fox.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: in a year. I just know, you know, Tom signed
Speaker 1: on as the number one guy, Greg Olson, and this
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me at all. Is amazing. I've known Greg
Speaker 1: for over ten years, so I'm glad somebody else does that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I thought, you know, today, I because
Speaker 1: I had thought about it. I thought I'm gonna asked Tom, Dude, Okay,
Speaker 1: you just I mean, wouldn't you want to He's been
Speaker 1: playing football for forty years, probably thirty eight. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to take a big long exhale, and
Speaker 1: he did. You know. I hadn't read the story, but
Speaker 1: I saw your take and then I googled it, The
Speaker 1: Tony Romo Intervention, and I think one underrated part. I
Speaker 1: remember getting hired in the NFL and just thinking, like
Speaker 1: I know football and just realizing how many players were
Speaker 1: in the league, how many moving parts, how much is
Speaker 1: going on, how much work it takes, whether you're a coach,
Speaker 1: whether you're a GM, whether you call games to follow
Speaker 1: the league. I mean truly know it, like who is
Speaker 1: the fourth wide receiver on the Jacks and you know
Speaker 1: you saw Romo taking a lot of shit. Well part
Speaker 1: of it the amount of effort it takes to truly
Speaker 1: be all in and football is very difficult. Just as
Speaker 1: far as the most amount of players, it has the
Speaker 1: most inventory every year of new guys coming in. Guys
Speaker 1: get cut all the time, random guys. You can watch
Speaker 1: any game, whether it's the Niners or the worst team
Speaker 1: in the league, and they got a random dude that
Speaker 1: was in the XFL a year ago. It is time consuming.
Speaker 1: This is not the NBA where seven people play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I said about Romo is that the league
Speaker 1: turns over every three years now. I joked about golf
Speaker 1: as an aside. I said, I think Tony wants to
Speaker 1: play on the tour? Does he does? He does? He hits.
Speaker 1: You know people A lot of people tag me and
Speaker 1: said John, I said, why I found a way to
Speaker 1: monetize golf. Big difference. Yeah, bring the revenue stream to
Speaker 1: the volume the people you do. Golf is addictive and
Speaker 1: I've known a lot of people that go down it
Speaker 1: and they fall in love with golf and fall out
Speaker 1: of love with their job. But you know the one
Speaker 1: thing with Tony Romo is that Tony's always had Even
Speaker 1: as a player, his style was sort of winging it.
Speaker 1: I mean, he winged it. That's what it always felt like.
Speaker 1: So that's what he's like as a broadcaster. By the way,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was surgical in his preparation. Well, if you
Speaker 1: watch the Mannings on Monday night, Peyton Manning's got so
Speaker 1: much information. So you become Aikman. Aikman's another guy very
Speaker 1: prepared as a player, very prepared as a broadcaster. So
Speaker 1: I think you become what you were as a player.
Speaker 1: So Brady, Brady will be fantastic. And again, however that
Speaker 1: whatever happens happens, it's none of my business. But the
Speaker 1: question with Tom, Yeah, it's that's why when he said
Speaker 1: I want to take a year off, I think Tom
Speaker 1: just he'll do a deep dive on everything, and you know,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear him. I well, you know
Speaker 1: I heard I forget who it was. You'll see a
Speaker 1: lot of people have predicted, well, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how he'll be. He's not a guy that fails
Speaker 1: a ton. Peyton Manning's not a guy that fails a ton.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's an example. Charles Barkley was known as
Speaker 1: a bad practice player, and he doesn't do a ton
Speaker 1: of prep on TNT. Now he's just naturally funny and
Speaker 1: that's what comes off. But they joke that he doesn't
Speaker 1: follow a lot of the teams. Well, he wasn't a
Speaker 1: great practice player. He struggled with his weight, he wasn't
Speaker 1: really great in terms of nutrition and commitment. So that's
Speaker 1: what he is as a broadcaster. He just is so
Speaker 1: naturally funny and likable that he pulls it off. You know,
Speaker 1: my first reaction last week when Sean Payton took the
Speaker 1: job was one, if you're Denver, no brain or hiring him.
Speaker 1: If you're a Denver Broncos fan, they got a lot
Speaker 1: of them, I'd be fired up. And my first reaction
Speaker 1: was like, God, that's pretty risky, you know, the quarterback situation.
Speaker 1: And then I realized like part of what you know, ambitious, confident,
Speaker 1: Like it was risky for you to start the volume,
Speaker 1: it was risky when you moved companies to come to
Speaker 1: FS one like part of getting the reaping big time
Speaker 1: rewards is taking Andy Reid went to the Chiefs. They
Speaker 1: had the number one overall pick. They did not have
Speaker 1: a quarterback at the time. So confident, talented people take
Speaker 1: big risk because typically they know deep down the percentage
Speaker 1: and the chances of them succeeding at that are relatively higher.
Speaker 1: You see today there was a story already changed out
Speaker 1: the towels like he's on everything. This guy is going
Speaker 1: in there like a bull in a china shot. That
Speaker 1: thing is gonna it's gonna be hard for him to fail.
Speaker 1: Now the quarterback situation, Russell's got to be better, and
Speaker 1: if he's just shot, then that's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: But so now they have a last place schedule, so
Speaker 1: that's it. Secondly, they at the end of the year
Speaker 1: they actually played Kansas City tight. They played better. So
Speaker 1: when Hackett left the building about two weeks later, they
Speaker 1: got competent. So I said this today, it's not like
Speaker 1: you're going from a solid coach who got fired. Vic
Speaker 1: Fangio absolutely excellent. One side of the ball. You're not
Speaker 1: going from Vic Fangio to Sean Payton. You're going from
Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens to Sean Payton. You're going from somebody that
Speaker 1: just isn't a head coach to Sean Payton. And how
Speaker 1: many games do they win? Three or four or five?
Speaker 1: Now I saw their schedule, the schedules easier, and now
Speaker 1: you have a world class coach instead of a coordinator.
Speaker 1: So and by the way, Derek Carr is out of
Speaker 1: the division. Tom Brady's retired, So what if the Raiders
Speaker 1: are less competent. The over under I had guessed it
Speaker 1: would be eight and a half it was. I got
Speaker 1: lucky on that with the staff. I said in the
Speaker 1: morning meeting the day it was announced, I said, they've
Speaker 1: got to be eight and a half, and that's what
Speaker 1: it was. I would bet the over. I think it's
Speaker 1: a nine to a ten win team, schedules easier, the
Speaker 1: defense still good. You know this. The cat flexibility is
Speaker 1: a problem, But what's not is getting draft picks. You
Speaker 1: can get draft picks very quickly in this league by
Speaker 1: moving people. The Rams could trade Jalen Rampsy and get
Speaker 1: a first and a four and suddenly they have all
Speaker 1: their picks. You can make moves. If you have elite players,
Speaker 1: you would never want to move Patrick Surtan. But if
Speaker 1: you had to move with Jerry Judy or you had
Speaker 1: to move somebody, you can get second, third, fourth round
Speaker 1: picks real quick. The other thing is having a powerful
Speaker 1: offensive coach. You can draft and hit on good players
Speaker 1: or turn them into good players in the fourth, fifth, sixth,
Speaker 1: seventh round. He had a lot of guys over his
Speaker 1: tenure that impacted their teams that were not second round picks.
Speaker 1: You know, Marcus Colson, Jimmy Graham, I wasn't a top
Speaker 1: first round pick. You can get really good players when
Speaker 1: you have an offensive coach who's also the play caller
Speaker 1: in the fourth, fifth, sixth round. And that to me
Speaker 1: is where he comes through. We're when you're paying a
Speaker 1: guy seventeen million dollars Sean McVeigh Kyle Shanahan that that's
Speaker 1: where it impacts you. Yeah, he Sean told me off
Speaker 1: the air. He said, basically, we want to make our
Speaker 1: offense basketball on grass. He goes, if you look at
Speaker 1: what Russell does well, And by the way, when Hackett
Speaker 1: left last couple of weeks, Sean Russell Wilson moved more
Speaker 1: and the offense was more successful. They want to play
Speaker 1: to Russell strain, which is elusiveness, mobility, the soft deep ball.
Speaker 1: You know what I think happened is that Hackett had
Speaker 1: an offense went to Denver. It was Aaron's offense, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't built for Russell, and he just didn't have
Speaker 1: a second offense, whereas Peyton has had a Taysom Hill offense,
Speaker 1: Drew Breeze offense, Adulton offense. So Sean has been doing
Speaker 1: this a long long time. I just don't think Hackett
Speaker 1: had an offense in his repertoire for Russell. And that's
Speaker 1: why they when we kept screaming change the offense, he
Speaker 1: didn't have it. You're asking somebody to throw Kershaw's curve
Speaker 1: and they don't the curve. So that's why it was
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. You know, I was looking a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. When you the coach and the quarterback
Speaker 1: to win two Super Bowls together, it's a pretty short list,
Speaker 1: especially in modern day. I would say, like starting Walsh
Speaker 1: Montana on a lot of teams that won multiple Super
Speaker 1: Bowls did it with multiple, you know, multiple quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: Andy and Mahomes. Obviously Belichick and Brady have six, Montana
Speaker 1: and Walsh have three. Shanahan and Elway have the two,
Speaker 1: but it happened at the end of Elway's career, so
Speaker 1: it didn't get to happen over a long period of time,
Speaker 1: which who knows they maybe they had more. I would
Speaker 1: say the outlier is Kaflin and Eli that had these
Speaker 1: two unique runs, but it wasn't like a prolonged success.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's ever catching Belichick and Brady,
Speaker 1: you would bet against it winning six Super Bowls together
Speaker 1: as a head coach in the quarterback. But I think
Speaker 1: Andy Mahomes, if they knocked this thing out Sunday, do
Speaker 1: have an opportunity one day to kind of be right
Speaker 1: there as the modern day version of Walsh and Montana. Well,
Speaker 1: when Belichick ran the league for twenty years, most of
Speaker 1: twenty years, there was certainly an argument. In the last
Speaker 1: fifteen of those years, Andy Reid was the second best coach.
Speaker 1: He was getting to the NFC championship four or five
Speaker 1: times at a Super Bowl, and he was one of
Speaker 1: the coaches that gave Belichick problems. Then he goes to
Speaker 1: Kansas City two wins to I think eleven overnight, and
Speaker 1: then he's at the end of Bill's great New England
Speaker 1: days and he was beating him with Mahomes. And so
Speaker 1: I argued this when Bill was running the league and
Speaker 1: he was arguably the second best coach. With Andy now
Speaker 1: running the league, Bill's not second. He's struggling to get
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. We view like Shanny or McVeigh or Peyton,
Speaker 1: And so my takeaway is Andy is sixty four If
Speaker 1: he coached his sixty eight and won two to three
Speaker 1: of these things. I think we would look at it differently,
Speaker 1: which would be when the rules leaned to Bill, he won,
Speaker 1: Andy was second. When the rules leaned Andy, he was one.
Speaker 1: Bill wasn't second. So that I think it's going to
Speaker 1: even things out and fair historians will say Andy and
Speaker 1: Bill are way closer by the way Bill got fired
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Can't win big without Tom, and he's one
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. I would say this for
Speaker 1: Coach Read. I remember being at the combine in two
Speaker 1: thousand night, right after they hadn't won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and a buddy of mine on the staff was like,
Speaker 1: you know what's crazy is we had a we had
Speaker 1: a week or two off after we won the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone celebrated, and I drove by the facility
Speaker 1: and I looked and Coach Read's car was there, and
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity worked in the office for company.
Speaker 1: I've never I've been around a lot of successful I've
Speaker 1: never seen a work ethic like this. To me, the
Speaker 1: only thing that's gonna stop this man from coaching, he's
Speaker 1: a bigger guy. It would be health, his love and
Speaker 1: passion for the game. And obviously with Mahomes, like he's
Speaker 1: gonna coach until he can't coach, you know, coach read
Speaker 1: he's in this for the long haul. So I think
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, I mean, they've already built like they're kind
Speaker 1: of the they win this, they're the dynasty of kind
Speaker 1: of this air, but they're not going away. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got all these young defensive backs, but Jaco's a
Speaker 1: young player. They got all these draft picks, they got
Speaker 1: a dynamic GM. I think the Chiefs are kind of
Speaker 1: in this thing for the long haul. Like this ain't
Speaker 1: just a cute little five year run. I mean this
Speaker 1: is a much more sustainable like holmegrenn and farf Well
Speaker 1: then Holmegren left to Seattle and far of kind of
Speaker 1: like this thing's gonna go for a while. Oh, I think. So.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that is in the way
Speaker 1: of it is Andy Reid retiring. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: a problem. So and I said this today, Andy retires.
Speaker 1: Let's say they win and he retires, who do you hire?
Speaker 1: Eric the Enemy? No, I mean Eric the Enemy didn't
Speaker 1: get a job interview in Chicago and the GM was
Speaker 1: formerly in Kansas City. He didn't get an interview. I
Speaker 1: think it'd be Matt Naggy. You know, I know he
Speaker 1: struggled in Chicago, but him and Veach played college football together.
Speaker 1: Him and Mahomes are tight. Again. I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I would be stunned if Andy
Speaker 1: retires in the near future. Hell again, he's family stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think the Chiefs and I think he knows.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he was there with young Farv. He's
Speaker 1: seen McNabb a little vic. This is as special as again.
Speaker 1: I mean that quarterback a couple of weeks ago. That
Speaker 1: was a legendary performance on a bum ankle in a
Speaker 1: game against an all time Joe Burrow is gonna be
Speaker 1: an all time great player. That's gonna go down as
Speaker 1: one of his defining moments, even if he goes on
Speaker 1: to win four more Super Bowls. I was actually blown
Speaker 1: away by Steve Spagnola because Burrow has really evened out
Speaker 1: his game. So his first year he gets hurt. His
Speaker 1: second year he was mostly good, but he had some stinkers.
Speaker 1: Remember the game against Chicago, he had like three picks
Speaker 1: and three passes, so he was uneven. This year, he
Speaker 1: didn't have a bad Sunday. Now week one, first game
Speaker 1: off surgery, he struggled. He didn't have another bad Sunday
Speaker 1: until the Chiefs, and it was like, we didn't we
Speaker 1: don't view Kansas City as a great defense. So Spag
Speaker 1: got half for him in the first half, gave him
Speaker 1: some problems with rookies in the back end in the
Speaker 1: second half. So are we watching are we watching a
Speaker 1: defense of the Chiefs? That situationally is just better than
Speaker 1: we think. Because Burrow this year just did not have
Speaker 1: bad Sundays. I mean he went about sixteen he went
Speaker 1: at fifteen to sixteen weeks. He was good every Sunday. Well,
Speaker 1: that to me, Sunday is the Niners for about a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half until that thing fell apart. Had
Speaker 1: a game plan against Jalen pick us apart, bro pick
Speaker 1: us apart. We don't think you're missing throws. We are
Speaker 1: not going to just rush up the field. We're gonna
Speaker 1: make you beat us with your arm. And he couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. And I heard Greg Cosell. He did not
Speaker 1: He did not look good. He didn't really have to
Speaker 1: do anything for the game. And to me, that's the
Speaker 1: game plan is make him beat you with his arm,
Speaker 1: do not over rush him. I think that's the most
Speaker 1: fascinating part about this game. The Jalen hurts early in
Speaker 1: the season was so dynamic it didn't matter, like he
Speaker 1: could make place because he can turn into a running back.
Speaker 1: This version, it's hard to quantify because you don't see
Speaker 1: him limp in, you don't see him holding a short
Speaker 1: but something is off. Who knows. Maybe now we've had
Speaker 1: two weeks, maybe he's healthier. But if the version that
Speaker 1: we saw Jalen against the forty nine ers, I mean,
Speaker 1: I like the Chiefs in this game. If that's the
Speaker 1: guy playing, yeah, he just didn't have any touch, so
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to have touch. And then, let's
Speaker 1: be fair. Super Bowls are different. It's different playing at
Speaker 1: home against the Giants or brock Purty goes out and
Speaker 1: he looked a little off against brock Purdy. Now you're
Speaker 1: facing Mahomes neutral field, a lot of Chiefs fans. That's
Speaker 1: a totally different ball game. And again, although there's rookies
Speaker 1: everywhere in the back end, I hope Snead concussion protocol
Speaker 1: can play for the Chiefs. He fortunately gets a long break,
Speaker 1: but I can see scenarios where Andy Reid dials it up.
Speaker 1: Chiefs take a lead, a lot of you know, multiple sets,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff they haven't seen. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: phil Delphia gets down. Jalen is a little tight for
Speaker 1: a series, Kansas City gets it again, goes up ten
Speaker 1: nothing or fourteen nothing, all of a sudden, Hurts Now
Speaker 1: is really tight. I can see that scenario. I mean
Speaker 1: Kansas City. You know, early in mahomes career he'd fall
Speaker 1: in of these huge deficits and come roaring back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the new Patrick Mahomes has taken leads, so he's obviously
Speaker 1: better at staying on the script early, not veering from it,
Speaker 1: taking leads. So I can absolutely see Kansas City winning
Speaker 1: the coin toss, taking it, taking a lead and thinking,
Speaker 1: and Andy thinking, guys, let's make Jalen Hurts play from
Speaker 1: behind neutral field. You know Super Bowls are different. Everybody's
Speaker 1: a little tight, No, I know. I mean, I heard
Speaker 1: you on the show today you leaning Eagles a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's assuming Jalen's health. I said this today. I know
Speaker 1: the chin will be available. Will Jalen land the punch?
Speaker 1: There are matchup advantages for Philly, they have better roster,
Speaker 1: But I want to see him. He didn't land, He
Speaker 1: couldn't land against San Francisco. They just basically fell apart.
Speaker 1: So I know Mahomes will land his opportunities. I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll have as many. So my initial, my gut feeling,
Speaker 1: was the matchup really favors Philadelphia. If you told me
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, If you told me Jalen Hurt's first half
Speaker 1: line and said, okay, he's you know, he's seven for twelve,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, they're a little bit of trouble. I
Speaker 1: think it's very obvious what Kansas City and Spags want
Speaker 1: to do. It's exactly what Damiko Ryans wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Make Jalen beat us, and he didn't look good. I
Speaker 1: saw this story. Jeremy Fowler wrote that there's a chance
Speaker 1: that the Ravens and Lamar are more than one hundred
Speaker 1: or potentially one hundred million dollars apart. And you've talked
Speaker 1: for a long time about like Iyrie's a bad business partner,
Speaker 1: Like it's just bad to be in business with him. Well,
Speaker 1: part of just doing a deal with the player, Like
Speaker 1: it's one thing if I think you're a ten million
Speaker 1: dollars player and you think you're a twelve and we
Speaker 1: can bridge. If you're trying to sell me a home
Speaker 1: and your home's worth two million and I offer one
Speaker 1: point eight, we can figure it out. But if your
Speaker 1: home's were two and I'm offering six hundred thousand, we
Speaker 1: ain't going to get a deal done. So it's starting
Speaker 1: to get to the point like one hundred millions. These
Speaker 1: aren't eight hundred million dollar contracts. That's what are we
Speaker 1: talking about here, Like, listen, I understand this outlier contract
Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson, but it feels like Lamar is starting
Speaker 1: to be in la la land a little bit about
Speaker 1: what's going on. Because one hundred million dollars this is
Speaker 1: the NFL. That is most contracts ninety nine percent of players.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, a hundred million dollar contracts, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Well? We know by watching Lamar Jackson. He's
Speaker 1: wildly emotional. He gets so mad at Lamar. Right, So
Speaker 1: he's young, he's a motion So when he has his
Speaker 1: mom as an agent and not somebody who does this professionally,
Speaker 1: that means the reason I have an agent just to
Speaker 1: keep me out of it. Yeah, he feels very much
Speaker 1: in it. So you're talking about a young man who's
Speaker 1: highly emotional, probably feels slighted, disrespected, and there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, there's probably a little bit of
Speaker 1: turbulence in this thing. And and so I could see,
Speaker 1: you know, they have offered him a cond I think
Speaker 1: they offered him one hundred and thirty three millions. So
Speaker 1: if they're one hundred off, he wants two thirty three.
Speaker 1: What I wonder is this is if he's not going
Speaker 1: to use an agent, it's just going to be an
Speaker 1: emotional relationship, would you move him because you could get
Speaker 1: with somebody with picks. I mean, Seattle has two ones,
Speaker 1: two twos, two fours. If you're Baltimore and it's like,
Speaker 1: we'll give you Lamar today, give us one of your ones,
Speaker 1: one of your two's, one of your fours, and a one.
Speaker 1: Next year, Baltimore drafts John and develops really, really well,
Speaker 1: we'll take Gino and we'll draft another quarterback. The Jets
Speaker 1: would also they're an emotional franchise that are desperate. I
Speaker 1: think when you look at Lamar, that word emotion is
Speaker 1: a good one because it goes back to the combine.
Speaker 1: One guy said you should play receiver. They got all
Speaker 1: up in their emotions. They refused to run. It's like, Lamar,
Speaker 1: if you had just ran the forty, you would have
Speaker 1: ran like a four to two eight or a four
Speaker 1: three one. There's not a snowball's chance in hell you're
Speaker 1: lasting to pick thirty two. When you run that fast,
Speaker 1: you would have gone way higher and said you've fallen.
Speaker 1: You need to somehow separate this because this is a
Speaker 1: disaster right now. You don't have anyone who can go
Speaker 1: shop you around right now because everything is so close
Speaker 1: to the vest. This is starting to fall apart. I
Speaker 1: used to be on his side, like listen, they are
Speaker 1: so they're you know, his success and their success are
Speaker 1: clearly tied. John Harbow is gonna get fired before he
Speaker 1: came around. But now this is going like, Lamar, your
Speaker 1: guys aren't getting some bad advice and you're gonna get traded.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think I do wonder with Seattle,
Speaker 1: they feel like this is they're shot to like assuming
Speaker 1: they love one of these quarterbacks to kind of John
Speaker 1: Snyder loved Russell Wilson, was big on Josh Allen, and
Speaker 1: I could see him having one of these three guys
Speaker 1: at the top really love and go all in for him.
Speaker 1: You know he's you gotta give him this credit. Like
Speaker 1: when it comes to quarterbacks, they've had a pretty keynote,
Speaker 1: even Gino, like they were proven to be pretty right
Speaker 1: on that one. Well again, Seattle has so it's part
Speaker 1: of trading for Lamar Colin. You'd have been have to
Speaker 1: give him one hundred and ninety million dollars or whatever
Speaker 1: he wants, right, So double whammy. You gotta trade and
Speaker 1: then pay well. Seattle though, not only do they have
Speaker 1: draft capital, They're gonna move off Jamal Adams here pretty quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They both tackles, free running back Kenneth Walker, both corners.
Speaker 1: They hit the draft out of the park. John. They
Speaker 1: got six draft fees that are starting. That's six starters.
Speaker 1: You're not paying anything too, so Seattle, and by the way,
Speaker 1: they have I think they need another receiver. But if
Speaker 1: you bring Lamar in, dk Metcalfine Lockett are more than
Speaker 1: enough and Noah Fan and Will Disley. So Seattle's got
Speaker 1: draft capital. They're gonna move off Jamal Adams, I think
Speaker 1: because I think they like their other safeties. And my
Speaker 1: takeaway with Seattle is they're not paying a lot of people.
Speaker 1: They're not and Lamar though expensive would not be Mahomes
Speaker 1: expensive would not be Josh Allen expensive. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could see Seattle giving them a one to two to
Speaker 1: four and you still have a one, two and a four,
Speaker 1: you know on another quarterback, Derek, Listen, there's unless you
Speaker 1: got Josh Allen, Mahomes, borrow potentially Herbert and we'll see
Speaker 1: on Lawrence. Like most of these guys under thirty, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna You're not winning Super Bowl, you know, unless
Speaker 1: your team is stacked like the Eagles. But you have
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, and Derek Carr. Do I love
Speaker 1: paying those guys thirty five forty million dollars? No, But
Speaker 1: if your team, if you're a well run operation, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs. And if you make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that means all season long, your team matters, and that's
Speaker 1: worth a lot. Like ultimately the Vikings this year thirteen wins,
Speaker 1: Jerry twelve wins. They were never winning the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: to begin with, but go into the second round. How
Speaker 1: hosting a playoff game is worth a lot to the owner.
Speaker 1: To meet Derek has a lot of value if you
Speaker 1: just get him in a stable organization. You put him
Speaker 1: with the Saints, maybe you get him with Frank in
Speaker 1: the Carolina If that gets you ten win in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: that is well worth thirty two million dollars, is it not.
Speaker 1: I think this one seems obvious. He's gonna get cut.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get cut here, I think in a week,
Speaker 1: because he's not gonna get traded. So if you're cut, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're Carolina and you want him, wouldn't you give
Speaker 1: somebody a pick to secure him? Would you? If if
Speaker 1: it's if he's cut, what's the order in which you
Speaker 1: have to buy to get him? But I would just
Speaker 1: tell his agent we will give him like a three
Speaker 1: year contract. You know, I'll give you three years, ninety
Speaker 1: million dollars and guarantee US sixty of it. Like I
Speaker 1: will give you way more money than what we trade
Speaker 1: for you. But we want to give you a multi
Speaker 1: year deal, not even just some one thirty. We will
Speaker 1: give you several years. And he can still draft a
Speaker 1: guy in the second or third round and figure it
Speaker 1: out as you go. But you get someone who comes
Speaker 1: in and can play. Say what you want about Cousins.
Speaker 1: Since he's been in Minnesota, he has not been their
Speaker 1: main problem. Does he have flaws? We dump it down
Speaker 1: on fourth down in the playoffs? Yes, but you're in
Speaker 1: the playoff game. Think how many think how many teams
Speaker 1: in the league would have died to be in that
Speaker 1: spot hosting a playoff game thirteen wins? So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Derek the smart business move no trade clause, cut
Speaker 1: me because someone's gonna get I'm too good of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm too high level of a guy. I've never been
Speaker 1: in trouble. I mean I played for the Raiders. Also,
Speaker 1: Derek doesn't want to go to a place that had
Speaker 1: to surrender picks. He wants them to have their draft capital.
Speaker 1: So if Derek has a no trade clause, which he does,
Speaker 1: Derek can say no, no, no, no, no, no no
Speaker 1: to all of them. So Derek control has all the
Speaker 1: leverage here for sure. Then he gets cut and then
Speaker 1: you know. One of the things I saw a story
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders today, and my takeaway
Speaker 1: is You're gonna have no roster flexibility with Aaron's contract
Speaker 1: because they also paid Jacobs, Colton Miller, Max Chandler Waller.
Speaker 1: So you have no roster flexibility. You can't give up
Speaker 1: that and picks. So when people say, well give give
Speaker 1: the Packers two ones and two twos, those are four
Speaker 1: starters in two years. On defense, like this is what
Speaker 1: Denver's in. Denver's like, we got no cap roster flexibility
Speaker 1: and we don't have any picks. So to me, the
Speaker 1: Raiders are in a weird spot. I think, I honestly
Speaker 1: think the NFC is so weak John that Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: Frank Reich in that defense win that division going away.
Speaker 1: I agree, totally agree. I mean they can win. They
Speaker 1: can be hosting multiple playoff games next year. Absolutely. You
Speaker 1: know this. I forgot about Aaron got it. Can never
Speaker 1: let you out here with that in Aaron Rodgers, what's
Speaker 1: your How do you think this all plays out? Fifty
Speaker 1: one percent? Green Bay? I think green You still you
Speaker 1: still think he might stay, yes, because I always come
Speaker 1: back to Green Bay. Minnesota's not going to go eleven
Speaker 1: and oz in one score games. That doesn't work that way.
Speaker 1: The year before they lost them all. This year they
Speaker 1: won them all. So you can just take three or
Speaker 1: four those because with cousins, you don't blow a lot
Speaker 1: of people out. You don't. There's a ceiling. So they're
Speaker 1: gonna hire Brian Flores on defense, but it will be
Speaker 1: better defensively, so they may be a better overall team,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to go eleven and oh and
Speaker 1: one score games. If Aaron stayed, they address the tight
Speaker 1: end position and an edge rusher. They got all their picks.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to win the division. Bear still stink.
Speaker 1: I don't trust Detroit, so in Minnesota will come back
Speaker 1: down to Earth. I still think that's the place where
Speaker 1: Aaron can host a playoff game. Aaron is being very
Speaker 1: casual about his future, and I think it's actually a
Speaker 1: brilliant business decision because whoever goes and gets Aaron, you
Speaker 1: can't give up a lot of loot to get him.
Speaker 1: And so in Aaron's smart remember when Mellow forced his
Speaker 1: way to the Knicks, and the Knicks had no leverage,
Speaker 1: had to give a ton up. Mellow arrived in New
Speaker 1: York and he was a twenty million dollar chandelier in
Speaker 1: an empty house that no players. So by Aaron saying
Speaker 1: I may play, I may not. I mean the Raiders
Speaker 1: will go, okay, can we get two ones? And you're like,
Speaker 1: how about a one and two twos? I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you can get more on the market. I know I've
Speaker 1: talked to a gim about this. What are you willing
Speaker 1: to give up for a guy that can retire after
Speaker 1: a year? Well, to me, think about his contemporaries, right, Obviously,
Speaker 1: Brady was like, I'm playing to like I'm fifty. You
Speaker 1: know I'm never gonna quit. Manning never would have quit
Speaker 1: if his arm didn't fall off, Breeze couldn't throw. If
Speaker 1: you traded for those guys when they were still as
Speaker 1: good as Aaron, you just knew they were gonna play
Speaker 1: until they couldn't play anymore. Aaron has been talking about
Speaker 1: retirement now consistently for several years, and he's doing weird stuff.
Speaker 1: I think if he operated like Peyton or Breeze, teams
Speaker 1: would have no problem. I'll give you two ones for
Speaker 1: thirty if a guy for more years. But he's the opposite.
Speaker 1: You think he's doing it specifically to limit or that's
Speaker 1: actually what he thinks. Well, I said today, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It may be an incidental, accidental stroke of genius, but
Speaker 1: it does pretty much guarantee that whoever trades for him
Speaker 1: won't have to give up as much as if Instead
Speaker 1: of saying I'm playing forever, so I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I always put myself in the spot. If I'm the
Speaker 1: Raiders GM, I'd be like, all right, oh, I want Aaron,
Speaker 1: but I can get Garoppolo and not give up anything.
Speaker 1: I'll give you two ones. That's it. No more picks,
Speaker 1: no more. I would do two ones for Aaron, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give you more than that. That's it. And
Speaker 1: when you consider he was an MVP back to back MVP,
Speaker 1: you know two years ago, that's not a lot. Go
Speaker 1: look what Russell Wilson fetched. I think the way you
Speaker 1: have to do it is that second pick is based
Speaker 1: on like, if we have success my first year and
Speaker 1: he returns that, if we make the AFC Championship game,
Speaker 1: I'll give you two ones. If he retires on me,
Speaker 1: that one turns into a four, you know something. But
Speaker 1: there has to be some We're taking on some risk
Speaker 1: here because this guy could be you know, in the
Speaker 1: jungles in South America. You know, I don't know where
Speaker 1: he's gonna be, right. I saw your guy Klatt Blast
Speaker 1: in the USC recruiting class. I know you got any
Speaker 1: any thoughts on the players? Lincoln's he he didn't love,
Speaker 1: not enough defense in the class and any Colin Coward
Speaker 1: thoughts on that one. Yeah, My thoughts are, when you
Speaker 1: have Caleb Williams to eight to eighteen year olds, do
Speaker 1: you any good? Next year he's bringing in twenty one
Speaker 1: year old players who were like all conference guys. So
Speaker 1: he brings in one of the best corners in the
Speaker 1: conference and one of the best receivers from Arizona. He
Speaker 1: brings in a top linebacker from Oklahoma State. They're going
Speaker 1: for the national championship next year. They're they're not going
Speaker 1: for They brought a running back in from South Carolina.
Speaker 1: He's a five star guy. So I think the way
Speaker 1: Lincoln looks at it is, listen, if we were rebuilding
Speaker 1: at quarterback, it's the long play. It's not. They believe
Speaker 1: they were two plays from thirteen wins and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been blown out if Caleb stayed healthy. So they
Speaker 1: believe everybody on their schedule they're going and they will
Speaker 1: be a better defensive team. They have better personnel, they're deeper.
Speaker 1: But the reason they went light on high schoolers is
Speaker 1: because they're playing for a national title next year. That's
Speaker 1: how they view it. A playoff spot. Well, those eighteen
Speaker 1: year olds can be five star. They're not gonna play.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get on the field. They had a
Speaker 1: kid this year, Relief Brown. He was a running back,
Speaker 1: five star kid, clever player, had no real impact, probably
Speaker 1: six plays all year because they had like Austin Jones
Speaker 1: and they had Travis Dye. We're like four years older,
Speaker 1: so they've been in a college weight room for four years.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just men. So I mean, I looked
Speaker 1: at USC's recruiting class. They're high school recruiting class. This year.
Speaker 1: They brought in about fifteen kids. They have two that
Speaker 1: are gonna play. One of them, Za Carrion Branch, is
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. He will play. He's Reggie Bush on
Speaker 1: the perimeter. He is a wildly explosive player. He will
Speaker 1: play the lineman, won't. They brought in a linebacker from Louisiana.
Speaker 1: He'll be a rotational player. But I'm not sure any
Speaker 1: of them outside of Branch have a chance to start.
Speaker 1: And they're mostly four star kids, so this is not
Speaker 1: Remember when Nick Saban started at Alabama, the transfer portal
Speaker 1: didn't exist like this, so he was building for the
Speaker 1: long haul. And even Nick brought in multiple junior college
Speaker 1: guys those first three years because Nick didn't want to
Speaker 1: wait four years to rebuild. He wanted to be a
Speaker 1: title contender by year two. And I think he won
Speaker 1: it in year three. Yeah, So I think next year
Speaker 1: they'll probably wean off the portal a little. Well, here's
Speaker 1: where the portals really effective, John, there's fewer whiffs. You
Speaker 1: have tape their division one. You bring in twelve guys.
Speaker 1: Eleven can play that day. So even Saban in a
Speaker 1: twenty five person class, Saban, eight guys can't play, and
Speaker 1: there's another eight that either academically, physically, emotionally they underachieve.
Speaker 1: You get about eight guys a class who live up
Speaker 1: to the four to five star that's with Saban. So
Speaker 1: I think the future is transfers. At least half your
Speaker 1: class have to be transfers. So do you think there's
Speaker 1: pressure on him to obviously win the conference and just
Speaker 1: a minimum make it to the playoffs when he's got,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the best prospect they've ever had. I
Speaker 1: don't even think it's pressure. I think I think he
Speaker 1: looks at Caleb is easily the best player in the country.
Speaker 1: So and they've asked Caleb to help in recruiting with
Speaker 1: these portal transfer kids, so it's like, what do we
Speaker 1: So they went to Arizona and they got this kid
Speaker 1: singer or a wide receiver. Well, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a late first early second round pick. So if I
Speaker 1: get a five star receiver, he's not as good as
Speaker 1: that kid. He ate USC's DBS alive last year and
Speaker 1: they and Lincoln told people, we gotta get that guy.
Speaker 1: By the way, they also had a corner that was
Speaker 1: really good. Lincoln's like, we gotta get that guy's guys.
Speaker 1: Jed couldn't have Oh he wasn't. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's college football in two thousand and twenty three. You
Speaker 1: gotta try whatever you gain to keep your guys, and
Speaker 1: it's part of the deal. Yeah. I mean, if again,
Speaker 1: I think Caleb is the first quarterback. I mean, very
Speaker 1: few quarterbacks they put in the Andrew Luck Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: class where they're gonna succeed regardless of mismanagement. I think
Speaker 1: Caleb maybe the third guy. I think he's that good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's one of the biggest. He'll be one
Speaker 1: of the most anticipated college stars in a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just Luck was obviously great college player, and
Speaker 1: he was fun to watch for the football nerds. But
Speaker 1: this guy's running around, he's got a little bit stronger
Speaker 1: of an arm, a little more just the casual fan.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be Bill Polian to realize that. Jeez,
Speaker 1: a little Michael Vick to him. But he also can
Speaker 1: kind of throw like luck. It's just this guy might
Speaker 1: just be I mean, he's gonna be the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. Yeah he will d yes pretty good quarterback draft.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you if you suck this year
Speaker 1: your team does, you might as well enjoy it because
Speaker 1: it might lead to greatness. Yeah, well, Colin, when you
Speaker 1: head it out to Arizona, I'm doing the Wednesday show
Speaker 1: from Los Angeles. I get on a flight to Phoenix,
Speaker 1: go to the Volume party. All right, you're gonna be there,
Speaker 1: of course, I will see you there yet. Then Thursday
Speaker 1: Friday do the shows, and then I fly back Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna hang out and watch the game from
Speaker 1: home and take notes as I do every year. That's
Speaker 1: what I do, So I can't wait. I'm excited. We'll
Speaker 1: see a Wednesday and have a good week, all right, Buddy,
Speaker 1: and the Volume