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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on a Hey everybody, welcome

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Speaker 1: to episode one twenty six of The Hunting Collective. I've

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Speaker 1: the studio. That's right. Hey, yeah, we made it happen.

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Speaker 1: It was last minute. It was last minute. But you're

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Speaker 1: holding a special little microphone. Well, we took a couple

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Speaker 1: good Good. I thought maybe it might have been a

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Speaker 1: sanitary reason why you have your own personal mic share

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Speaker 1: mis in this time of Corona. No, nothing, alright. Joe Ferronato, Hey, buddy, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how you doing. Oh I'm ready to ready to get

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Speaker 1: into what we're gonna talk about. We also have Sam Longeran. Hello, Samuel.

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Speaker 1: You guys ready. I was born ready, always ready, Joe ready.

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Speaker 1: It seems that Phil is not ready. I'm not to

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Speaker 1: talk about what we're gonna talk I'm sure he's not. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about revolves a lot around images and video.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it really is the kind of the impetus

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Speaker 1: is trying to sneak a peek. Okay, so where to

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Speaker 1: begin here. It's gonna be uh, it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: it's importance before we get into it. But before that, Phil,

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Speaker 1: can you look at this image? Look great at that?

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Speaker 1: See that fellow? Yeah, might see it? Yeah, you see it.

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Speaker 1: His name is Glenn Bond. That's that's a human that's

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Speaker 1: Glenn Bond. What you're looking at their Phil is is

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Speaker 1: the direct aftermath of a grizzly bear attack when the

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Speaker 1: Denially Highway in two thousand sixteen, Glenn was attacked by

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Speaker 1: I think a nine foot grizzly bear, which is uh, Joe,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna this isn't. What you're about to hear is

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Speaker 1: not just the story of a grizzly bear attack. We've

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Speaker 1: done that before here multiple times, will continue to do

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Speaker 1: we also just we love to love them. We absolutely

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Speaker 1: more layers to it, doesn't not, It has a lot

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Speaker 1: more layers to it. Ben. Uh. A couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: And it's not not just because there was a bear attack.

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Speaker 1: There are other elements to this story that go to

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Speaker 1: And how do we and how do those things get told?

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Speaker 1: But then maybe the most important here is one family's strange,

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Speaker 1: of you never? You don't know anything about this? Right?

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Speaker 1: You know much about this? Not really? No, I mean

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Speaker 1: I've heard some of the interview with Brett um well

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Speaker 1: are four years into it. Once, something I found out

427
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: pretty early from Brett. He's like, well, it happened four

428
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: years ago, And I'm like, what how did we not

429
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: hear about this? I've been doing this particular thing right

430
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: and outdoor stories that I would have loved to have

431
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: this four years ago, or any at any time during

432
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: my career. Both of us were embroiled in all this

433
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: same stuff four years ago. Yeah, and so the fact

434
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: that it then it just like I said, as this

435
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: thing built, you find these little things out and it

436
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: just feels like something more is going on and growing here.

437
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: And so at that time, we're all working on this

438
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: and a couple of things happened. One Brett had told

439
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: me up prior to recording this that he felt like

440
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: his parents were off limits. He didn't want he was

441
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: sharing the images, he was talking, he was telling his story,

442
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: he felt, you know. And and at the time I

443
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: felt rightly so that that he was telling the story

444
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: and that was it, and there wasn't any need to

445
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: talk to his his father. His father wasn't going to talk,

446
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: and there's no need to talk to his mother. So

447
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: we kind of took that for what it was. Um.

448
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: But the first thing that you find it happened four

449
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: years ago when you google it. I mean, how many

450
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: bar attacks to have we talked about on this show

451
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: and that you guys have covered. Joe, you wrote all

452
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: about a lot of bear attacks over this last fall

453
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: for our website. These things happen and then within the week, days,

454
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: sometimes even hours of them happening. Their reports out there

455
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: local media usually first, and it kind of trickles into

456
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: whereever it's gonna play out on a on a more national,

457
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: regional level. There was nothing about this. Comparatively, there were

458
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: some things, but I mean almost nothing about this attack.

459
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, there were there was pretty much I think

460
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: there was nothing focusing on it. It was on a

461
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: secondary information talking about when when we're talking about another

462
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: bear attack, Yeah, exactly, And and that's kind of kind

463
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: of what happens and somewhat explains it away for me,

464
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: is that it actually was mentioned in a variety of

465
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: relatively um highly regarded publications in the United States and

466
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. Um. But it that that it kind

467
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: of ended up playing second fiddle to another attack that

468
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: happened in Alaska three days later that was slightly somehow sexier.

469
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Forest Wagner was. It was leading a group of twelve

470
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: students on you know, some some outing that was attacked

471
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: by a bear. Professor at University of Alaska. That's um

472
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: attacked by a bear three days after Glenn Bond was attacked.

473
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: I've read the story. It's pretty straightforward. He he was

474
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: attacked one of the stud it's called for medical assistance,

475
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: He got medical assistance. He was mauled but lived, no

476
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: need to you know. But there there's a lot of

477
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: different bear attacks we could compare to this one, that this,

478
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: this one happened to And Brett told me this, and

479
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I think he says this in the recording, that he

480
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: felt they lucked out because that happened, right, and some

481
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: of them. For you google of this bear attack, as

482
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: we said, you'll find that it's you know, Barry, there's

483
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: a Guardian article talking about the Wagner attack. About halfway

484
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: through it just meant, oh, yeah, by the way, this

485
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: guy is seventy seven year old guy Glenn Bond was

486
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: also attacked in close proximity, and it doesn't even really

487
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: say exactly how close these two attacks are. Yeah, And

488
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you think about a publication like the Guardian,

489
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: You think about being in their news room that week,

490
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: and some editors get gonna like would slap a reporter

491
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: up the side of the face. Now we're not gonna

492
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: do two articles about people getting attacked by bears in Alaska.

493
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: Now it's a trend. Now this now this happened, and

494
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about both of them. Collated

495
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: and and it just it just so happened that they

496
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: were that they were close in you know, in time.

497
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: But Forrest Wagner, you know, had twelve people watch watching

498
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: this and it was a professor at university and he

499
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: talked about it. But but Glenn and Brett Bond did

500
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: not talk about it and didn't and refused him to

501
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: interview requests, and it just kind of faded away. And

502
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: when when you said that to me, Ben, that that

503
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: Brett thought that they lucked out would the other attack

504
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: to kind of get rid of that media pressure, it

505
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: put an alarm going off in my head. I was like, well,

506
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: why did he think they looked out? What was the

507
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: story behind that way and they want that attention. Yeah,

508
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that too a little bit here

509
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: what the backstory and that that that takes us in

510
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: a whole different direction. But I think that's where you

511
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: start to realize that this that we're gonna have to

512
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: go a little bit deeper. You digging deeper and deeper

513
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: and deeper into this. Talking to Brett, he's telling me

514
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: that when he calls the state troopers, you'll hear in

515
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: this in his story, his dad gets attacked. He his

516
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: dad requests that he takes some photos and video. That's

517
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: where we get they grewsome things we've described. Then they

518
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: have to take the twent mile I'm pretty sure I'm right.

519
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Just looked at that twenty four miles. UM. Back to

520
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: the lodge where they were stayingable Buck Creek Lodge, Alpine

521
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Creekpine Creek Lodge on the Dale Highway. Um, you're thinking

522
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: of Buck Valley, Buck Valley, Queer bears a Buck Valley.

523
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: We'll get to that. There's a lot of stuff to

524
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: remember here. UM. And I was until three in the

525
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: morning working on this last night. UM. And so we

526
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: we learn that they take this journey to come back.

527
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: And when he calls the state troopers, he just says

528
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: exactly the least amount of detail that he can give.

529
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't even give his own name. He says, uh, Hunter,

530
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: seventy seven year old Hunter was attacked by a bear

531
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: and his hunting partners shot the bear off of him.

532
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much all you see in any of

533
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: the media reports, not even his son. Do you have

534
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that audio pulled up there? There's one report from a

535
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: local state trooper representative, and if Joe maybe find the

536
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: name of the person talking. We're gonna hear, but it

537
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: was like a radio report and you'll hear that. It's

538
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: just kind of the bare bones. Um, I have it

539
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: here for it. A man was attacked by a bear

540
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: near the Dunale Highway over the weekend. Alaska State Trooper

541
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: spokesman Tim to Spain says seventy seven year old Glen

542
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Bonn of Wasilla was bear hunting Friday afternoon near Miles

543
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: when he was mauled by a grizzly. Reported to the

544
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: troopers that the injuries were fairly significant. De Spain says

545
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: the attacking bear was shot dead by another hunter. Bond

546
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: was then driven to the Dunally Highway by snow machine,

547
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: where he was flown by life mad to Anchorage. To

548
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: Spain says friend of the victim, accompanied by Alaska Department

549
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: of Fishing, Game and State Trooper representatives, returned to the

550
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: attack site Saturday and retrieved the bear carcass. That's it,

551
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: and if you read the stories, that's it. Um. So

552
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: you might ask why why an earth would a family

553
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: like this want to want to keep this quiet or

554
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: or at least kind of only give the minimum amount

555
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: of play to it in the media. It could be

556
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. I asked Breath this specifically, UM,

557
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: the other day, because as we're working on the story,

558
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just need to ask him specifically, why

559
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: is it that you? Because he said I, you know,

560
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I just told him it was a hunting partner. I

561
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to give names or go any deeper. And

562
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: he just responded to me. I asked me, and he's

563
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: just responded because I'm a private person, that's his response. Um,

564
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot I think that is behind that that

565
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: him and I have talked about, and him and I've

566
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: talked about with his mom, Lorraine Phillips, Um that I'm

567
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: comfortable sharing here, you know, but there is just just

568
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: so folks listening. No, Like, we're sharing these folks stories,

569
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: so we respect, you know, respect what they said, and

570
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: respect how they would like this to be treated because

571
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: it's their lives. And this is a freaking serious thing.

572
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a serious event that happened to

573
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond, and you know, it's it's on the folks

574
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: covering this to do it in such a way, UM

575
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: that people can get the truth they can learn from

576
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: it might save someone's life, but they also deserve to

577
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: know the real story behind something as a salacious as this.

578
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: So when you get to a certain point in this story,

579
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: there's a void created. We're gonna kind of explain how

580
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: that void goat created. We know how the void got created.

581
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Got created because the Bonds didn't want anybody to know

582
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: about this story or weren't willing to put it out

583
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: there for the media. So there's a void. What is

584
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: what's the other part of this Well, a couple of images,

585
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: the ones we've already described, plus a third image get

586
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: out online and kind of the wake of this story,

587
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: they get out online. So now you have the family

588
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: that's not talking about it, not telling the true story.

589
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: You have a message board on the internet where three images,

590
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: as far as I know, get laid out. One of them,

591
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: two of them we've already described. The third one is

592
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: a picture of Glenn Brett and a man named David

593
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Johnston standing posing nine days after the attack. This is

594
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: where the ship gets it just starts to get crazy

595
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: here if it isn't already nine days after the attack,

596
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: there's a picture of David Johnston, the owner of Diamond

597
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: d Custom Leather. It's a shop, I believe in Anchorage,

598
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: saying that, right, there's three of them, Brett on the

599
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: right and the center's dad on the left is David

600
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Brett is showing off this leather holster that he was

601
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: wearing when he shot the bear off of his father

602
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: and saved his father, which we may not have mentioned

603
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: at that point that so this is key. So the

604
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: three of them are standing there like, here you go, Phil,

605
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: this is what this guy looks like nine days after

606
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: the attack. Can you believe that it? That's unreal? It's

607
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: like that they must have the greatest surgeons in the world. Okay, now, now, now,

608
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: now let me now, let me give you another one.

609
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: All that surgery you're seeing was performed without sedatives, without anesthesia,

610
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: and without blood transfusions. So is this kind of why

611
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: you brought up earlier that like it's very you'd rather

612
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: not use the language. His face was ripped off because

613
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: it was still hanging there, and it looks like they

614
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: were able to put it back together pretty well. Kind

615
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: of yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit. That's how

616
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: it's semantics. At some level. His face wasn't where it

617
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: should have been. It was kind of off to the side,

618
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: however you describe it. But this is where we start

619
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: to discover the amazing recovery here in this photo. But

620
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of the a dull discovery. When you look

621
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: at this photo, you're looking at, oh my god, this guy.

622
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: How no way? Brett shaped with me the time stamp

623
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: of the image that was off his phone here, and

624
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: I thought, no way, is this nine days? There's no

625
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: possible way this is nine days. Other bar attack stories,

626
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: we've looked at millions of dollars and years of surgery

627
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: to put people's faces back on. I talked to a

628
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: doctor friend of mine too and showed him that picture

629
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, nine days, and he's like, no way. Yeah,

630
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 1: it's like there's no bruising, Like he looks like months

631
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: months and months after in this photo, like he his

632
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: eyes gone, his ear is gone. What would be I

633
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: guess his left eye is gone. He has left eyes gone,

634
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: and his right ear is reattached, but he's missing half

635
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: of it. Half. He has has some scarring across the

636
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: center of his forehead down to the bridge of his nose.

637
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: There's bruising and swelling across his face. He's got a

638
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: cast on his left hand, a wrap on his right

639
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: hand wrist forearm, and he's looking at looking great, but

640
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: considering the last photo, he's looking pretty great. Um, so

641
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: this is like we discovered this part. Now the other

642
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: thing we discover like his miraculous recovery, but we also

643
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: discovered that this is kind of where this urban legend

644
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: starts to grow. The void I talked about a minute

645
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: ago where there's no nobody talking about reporting on this story.

646
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: We've covered that. Now into the void enters these images.

647
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: So there's there's two parts. One part the truth, ain't there?

648
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Second part crazy images floating around the internetal message boards

649
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: we have yet too, we may by the time we

650
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: publish our article find out exactly where these images were

651
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: first posted. I don't know all that really matters. A

652
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: message board, in my mind, is a message board in

653
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: terms of their in depth reporting. But they got out, Yeah,

654
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: they got out, and they got out from David Johnson.

655
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: This is nine days later they went to Custom d

656
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: leather shop. When the first time I got to talk

657
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: to Lorraine, Philip Sprett's mom, she tells me that, yes,

658
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: David Johnston and possibly his daughter who was also in

659
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: the shop at the time. We're a part of Um,

660
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: we got some images from Brett at the urging of Lorraine,

661
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: his mother, she said to share some images with them.

662
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: That would be nice that he shares those images, and

663
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: at some point they put them on a message board.

664
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that it really matters what exact message board,

665
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: but Lorraine and shop manager Mike Barrett both to my

666
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: mind confirmed that that happens, right, Joe, because Joe talked

667
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: to Mike Barrett. Yeah, at that at that time, Um,

668
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Mike did confirm that David Johnson or his daughter, one

669
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: of them, who was basically running the media for the

670
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: shop at that time, put it on some message where

671
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: he wasn't aware. It's been four years, but I think

672
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: we can skip that part and work around it and

673
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: assume that those folks are telling us the truth. So

674
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: those things get out, and then somewhere along the way

675
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: this becomes a bigger thing because someone there's a lot

676
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: of accusations, but someone takes these images and applies them

677
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: to a man named Wes Perkins. Joey want tell us

678
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: a little bit about West Perkins. Well that's where you

679
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: started this whole thing with me, So you you called

680
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: me right when this game here, like google Wes Perkins

681
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: bear attack, see what comes up. And what came up

682
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: was a story about a terrible bear attack where a

683
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: guy got his face ripped off, and these images were

684
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: attached to it. But the weird thing was these images

685
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: weren't seen by anybody until and West Perkins attack happened.

686
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: Inn and uh even in in your interview with Brett,

687
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: he was in your conversations with Brett, he went back

688
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, people were commenting on my pictures of

689
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: my dad when I posted that on Instagram saying hey,

690
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: that's West Perkins. And and everybody was like, who saw

691
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: these pictures beforehand? Were like, hey that's the guy, that's

692
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: West Perkins. And people very strongly believed that Glenn Bon

693
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: was West Perkins. They had three years to convince themselves

694
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: this is this is West Perkins. There's a lot more

695
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: we have to uncover in terms of the West Perkins

696
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: part of this, but I will say what we did find.

697
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: What I did find is that somewhere along the way

698
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: and we're looking into this, we may never find out

699
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: because it's it's just somebody has to admit to this

700
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: or some some you know again deep in some message

701
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: where someone made the connection, right, they take these salasious

702
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: images that they're seeing for the first time in connect

703
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: them to a bear story they've heard. Possibly, um, something

704
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: they heard is very similar, and somehow something happens where

705
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: these two things get connected. From there that gets conflated

706
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: to this is West Perkins. My god, the West Perkins

707
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: bear attack. Yeah. Well, and then West Perkins too. When

708
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: that attack happened, there were there was a lot of

709
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: coverage about it. I mean, he had what twenty two

710
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: surgeries or something and millions of dollars worth of medical bills,

711
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: and people knew about it. And then when somebody saw

712
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: these photos, it wasn't hard to go, yeah, that's the

713
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: dude who got his face ripped off, because even in

714
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: those West Perkins articles, he says how he's a paramedic

715
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: or or a nurse or something, and he says the

716
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: fire chief a fire chief, yeah he yeah, he had

717
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: to pull blockage out out of his airways and stuff

718
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: because everything was torn apart and falling down and he

719
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: was basically choking on himself. So everybody when they saw

720
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: these photos, they were like, yep, that that has to

721
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: be hims and so, but it wasn't just that it

722
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: was on some message board you're talking about. We found

723
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: instances on websites like wide Open Spaces, where it's pretty clear.

724
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: We don't have confirmation from Wide Open Spaces or anything.

725
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: The images have been removed from the site as they

726
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: stand today. But the article that describes West Perkins starts

727
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: with graphic on the and on the title goes and

728
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: inside of the article is a picture of like a

729
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: grizzly bear walking through a meadow, and so something has

730
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: been removed. There's nothing graphic there. Something has been removed.

731
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: And so I'm pretty comfortable saying that something someone reported

732
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: on this somewhere. There's a website if you google it

733
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: called American Shooting Journal, Joe, I got that right, American

734
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Shooting Journal, where this still exists. You can go read

735
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: the story about West Perkins with a cropped out version

736
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: of the diamond D photo. Not only does it still exist,

737
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: it was published six days before Brett put his photos

738
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: on Instagram, like it March four. Really, yeah, maybe it

739
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: was updated, who knows? Or or yeah, maybe it was updated,

740
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: but who knows. The last time stamp on there's March.

741
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: So this is this is a part of the story

742
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: that just goes to prove a lot of things. You know,

743
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: one thing that I thought sum this up. I was

744
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: looking at a site and there's a lot. There's the

745
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: Twitter some like debunking Twitter pages that were after this

746
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: trying to debunk the West Perkins story that was actually

747
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: the Glen Bond photos. Um as early as seen, and

748
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: then all the way up to there's multiple articles describing

749
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: West Perkins bear attack that that have the Glenn Bond images.

750
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: But also there's just straight up things like, um, I'll

751
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: find it here. As I scroll through this, there's things

752
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: like a site called fake oologist dot com that has

753
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: a whole thing about grizzly bear attacks and on it

754
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: true and not true, what's true and what's not true?

755
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: And this is November one of the Commoners Rights. They

756
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: post this, the post that Glen Bond images and so

757
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: this is, you know, roughly four months before Brett Bond

758
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: posted stuff on Instagram that started this whole thing that

759
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: the commenter says, the use of special effects in the

760
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: case of Wes Perkins overly brutal two thousand eleven grizzly

761
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: bear attack seems quite apparent, as the effects used in

762
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: the quote unquote crime scene imagery are too severe to

763
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: believe on their own, particularly when related to the improbable narrative.

764
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: Let that sink in for a minute. This dude is like,

765
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: you know what's improbable, this narrative in these photos, Like, yep,

766
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: they come to find out you're right, the conspiracy theorist

767
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: blog comment or guy. So that like, that's where this

768
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: had gotten to. It had gotten to this mixed up,

769
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: weird presentation of the truth. Who was this person? And

770
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: for some reason, somehow, all the way through these three

771
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: and a half almost four years until Bonds at his

772
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: side of the story, no one had looked into this. Sam,

773
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: do you remember seeing anything online or someone looked into

774
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: this story. Oh, I saw a lot of speculation, a

775
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of people who looked really closely at the image

776
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: to try to find the touches of photoshop or something

777
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: like that. But I didn't find I didn't find a

778
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: single thing where somebody actually reached out to Brett or

779
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond to try to verify this. The story it was,

780
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: it was all just that that can't be real. That

781
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: I don't trust anything on the internet, and I don't

782
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: trust anything I see on the news, And and because

783
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: it was relegated to you know, kind of hunting and

784
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: conspiratorial and a laugh skin message boards, ran into a

785
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: lot of people who are very suspicious of a lot

786
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: of things. Um, but nope, I didn't. I didn't find

787
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: a single outlet that actually wanted to verify this, you know,

788
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth, and I know that Joe and

789
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: I and used to Sam. I read a lot of

790
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: message boards comments, I read a lot of threads on articles.

791
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: I read a lot of random Twitter feeds trying to

792
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: find someone who was going to be like I was there,

793
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: and in fact, we found a lot of people that

794
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: were like I talked to a pilot that flew the guy,

795
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: or I talked to a sled dog team guy who

796
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Drew happened to drive by. Like, there's a lot of

797
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: people who were claiming to have knowledge of this that

798
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: clearly just did not. And I think that just denotes

799
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: how something becomes like an urban legend, where you know,

800
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: there's this application of rumor and speculation to something so

801
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: salacious as this. Yeah, then it kind of created a

802
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: vacuum that he didn't do any interviews right after the attack.

803
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: And it's also worth mentioning that he was out hunting

804
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: for several weeks after the attack and may have been

805
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: unavailable if reporters had reached out to him, but it

806
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he returned their calls anyway. But you know,

807
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: the nature abhorrors a vacuum, and I would I would

808
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: suggest that the internet does too. So people basically had

809
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: these these images and needed to ascribe them to something

810
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: and just made up a bunch of stuff, but nobody

811
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: really took the time to find out what the truth was.

812
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: So I think that that actually wraps up kind of

813
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: the what we'll call the urban legend part of the story,

814
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: like why we had why We're getting to a point

815
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: now where you're hearing the first account from Brett Bonn

816
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: an audio of this and and a lot of the

817
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: discovery that three of us did. And Phil is just

818
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: sitting there just gripping his mic so he can barely

819
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: hold it, hold it any so excited to hear this tale.

820
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: Just soaking it in again. Ben, Yeah, this second, Thanks buddy,

821
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: It's good to see it. It's good to be sitting

822
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: next to you. He probably wants to see the video,

823
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: is what he really wants, and wants to see the video. Um,

824
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: and so look in a time of quarantine when we're

825
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: all grasping for things like Tiger King and and stories

826
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: to to captivate us. But everybody's been watching the Michael

827
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: Jordan documentary things like that, Like we're all looking for

828
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: stories that we can rehash, and this is just one

829
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: of them. Um. So that's that's what I would just

830
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: like say, is the urban legend part of this that's

831
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: how it got to be where it is today. Where

832
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: where a man takes some images off his phone I

833
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: believe Brett, and shares them to Instagram and people start

834
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: to comment, oh, Wes Perkins, Oh man, I've been I've

835
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: known about that story for three years. Um, when they

836
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: obviously have no idea what they're talking about. So in effort,

837
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: in an effort to just let Brett tell the Baritech story,

838
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna skip a lot of things here. We're gonna

839
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: land um. Weirdly enough, when Brett and his dad get

840
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: back to the lodge after their twenty four mile um

841
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: snow machine ride, we were able to in an effort

842
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: to make sure that we talked to some credible witnesses

843
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: and people that could confirm able to talk to the pilot.

844
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: What was the the official flight company named like Alaska,

845
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: Life Metal Aska, Life Metal Alaska. The pilot, his name

846
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: is Brett Westcott. Um tell us a little bit about Joe.

847
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: You talked to Brett. Tell us a little bit about

848
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: this this bread bread Westcott. Yep, so Brett Um. The

849
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: conversation with him was probably the most reassuring UM conversations

850
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: that had that this actually happened. Like when I talked

851
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: to him, I was like, yep, okay, well, I'll look

852
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: back up at one step and I'll be I'll have

853
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: to be careful with this one. We had an off

854
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: the record comment from an official with an agency won't

855
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: say who that straight up said these photos are fake.

856
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: Yep to you ye, someone with us adjacent cy to

857
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: this was not an eye witness, but someone who would

858
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: someone yeah, we would say, someone involved in the investigation,

859
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: who would have known, I would have had pur view

860
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: to things that we wouldn't have at that time known.

861
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: This person comes in and says, at the end of

862
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: a conversation with Joe, oh hey, just just so you know,

863
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: those photos are fake, just dropped it out of nowhere,

864
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: And it was pretty much the conversation enter and it

865
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: flow and it throws us for a loop because we're

866
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: now in a position where where I just had told

867
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: I think maybe that same day, finally told Joe like,

868
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I believe this ship and there's no I don't think

869
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: there's anything that's gonna kick me off this because I

870
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: just after hearing from Bread and hearing from his mother

871
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: and reading things and looking at things, everything lines up.

872
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: All of it fits. And and right before that conversation,

873
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: the three of us we're talking and like, Yep, we

874
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: believe and I think these photos are real. And then

875
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: I call you guys back forty five minutes later, Holy

876
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: sh it, someone said they're fake. Not just some like

877
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: like some very incredible source set off the record that

878
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: these are thick. Now it turns out that probably was

879
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: more conjecture than truth. But it's certainly through us for

880
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: a loop. Um, but Brett Westcott kind of helped us. Yep,

881
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: Brett Westcott definitely helped. So a little background on him.

882
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: He's a retired helicopter pilot from the Army and now

883
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: flies for Life met Alaska, and so him and his team,

884
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: Brian Anderson, Paul Garnett, we're the ones who responded to

885
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: this case. They flew out, met met Brett and Glenn

886
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: at the lodge there and went to pick him up.

887
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: And Brett Westcott told me when when I asked him,

888
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: said what what? What was his condition when you got there? Like?

889
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: Were those images reality? Like? Is that the way he looked? Me?

890
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Got to him and he said, actually the images were

891
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: fairly mild. After though the twenty four miles snowmobile ride

892
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: over Spring Snow rough, very rough riding. Uh. He said

893
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the skin had sloughed off of his

894
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: face and anything that was still remaining, like over his

895
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: chin and bottom lip had been removed. Phil my lord. Yeah,

896
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: when he said that, I got a little queasy. But

897
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: talking to him, Brett was in shock that he was

898
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: still alive. He was saying that Glenn is one of

899
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: the toughest men he's ever seen, and he was still aware.

900
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: He was up and still aware and talking. He had

901
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: blood pouring out of his face. Yeah, you'll hear. You'll

902
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: hear from from Brett here coming up about kind of

903
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: their after because part of like, you know, Miles Nulty

904
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: was on the show last week. When I first showed

905
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: this stuff to Miles, and what do you take to

906
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: these photos? He's like fake. Why, well, who would take him?

907
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: Why would you take that picture? What? What? What could

908
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: motivate someone to take a picture. And so luckily we

909
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: got that that answered from from Brett. But still, yeah,

910
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: you're still kind of taken aback that this thing, this

911
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: photo exists. But but Brett, I was so I was

912
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: relieved when when Brett Westcott kind of came on into

913
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: the frame. We I knew about him. I've heard and

914
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: talking to Lorraine Phillips heard about him. She sent me

915
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: a photo of him and Glenn. They had met years

916
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: after the attack and and chatted. She gave me his

917
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: first name. I had to go and do a munch

918
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: of research to try to find what Brett Pilot works

919
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: for Alaska life men um, and found him and then

920
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: sick to Joe on it and you went and got

921
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: a hold of him, yep. And he said a lot

922
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: of amazing things. Yeah, yeah, a lot of amazing things. Uh.

923
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: He he believed that Glenn was was very very lucky. Um.

924
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: He even went to party to say, He's like, he's

925
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: alive because of the grace of God. Then nothing else.

926
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: Pretty much, He's like whatever we did didn't save him,

927
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: like it was he his sure will to live and uh, yeah,

928
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: he was very complimentary how tough he was. He he

929
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: said that he was reminded him of special operators in

930
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: the Army, had that same sort of mentality, and even

931
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: though he was you know, mortally injured, like he was

932
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: on his deathbed, basically he was still aware. He was

933
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: focused on the mission and even told Brett where to

934
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: turn the helicopter when they encountered some high elevation clouds.

935
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: He said, turned down this valley, will get there quicker. Yeah,

936
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: that's that's an amazing, amazing part of of this whole

937
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: thing for me is that you'll find out through and

938
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: as you go through the story, you'll find out that

939
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Glenn Bonds basically just directing the show. Yeah, he was

940
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: all this. He was up and ready and rare and

941
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: to go. He was calming down the flight medic and

942
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: the flight and I's just talking like, oh, I'll be

943
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: all right. I've had worse type of things. Do you

944
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: have the audio you pull up the audio of his

945
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: of the video that Brett posted where he's talking about

946
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: his dad's talking about what they need to be doing.

947
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: Keep the level head. Let me pull it up here

948
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: really quick. Okay, we gotta get out of here. Let's

949
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: just let's just keep our heads cool. Okay, we'll keep

950
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: our heads cool. We're got to get out of here.

951
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just keep our heads cool. Okay, we'll

952
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: keep our heads cool. At the end of that video,

953
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's saying, my face must be gone. Yeah,

954
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean what I know. No, I know you're just

955
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: listening to this and you can't watch it with us.

956
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: But um, Phil, do you want to see I Phil,

957
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: you want to check it out? No, sure, buddy, I'm sure. Man,

958
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: the artwork in the studio. Um. So you get to

959
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: this point in the story, you know, like you'll hear

960
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: it from Brett coming up, You're like, whoa like Brett

961
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: Brett bond is Is saves his dad, his dad gets

962
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: his face ripped off, and then he's directing his son like,

963
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: let's take my photo, Let's get on the let's get

964
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: on the machine here, let's drive this way, let's I'll

965
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: hold on this way. Then the the Metavac helicopter comes

966
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: to the lodge and he's like, let's go this direction.

967
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: Um at this it's at this point where he starts

968
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: to direct his medical care and say that I I

969
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: don't want to go to this hospital. I don't want

970
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: to go to Providence Medical. I want to go oh

971
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I don't want any pain medics. I don't

972
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: want any blood transfusions. This is the point where this

973
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: guy is confirmed by both Lorraine Phillips, who sent me

974
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: his medical chart, and and Brett Westcott, who's telling you

975
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: all this this dude has I can't even explain the trauma. Yeah,

976
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: well they were in awe, the medical team on that helicopter,

977
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: they were just in awe. Uh. Brett even told me

978
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: that Paul Garnett at one point he was changing his

979
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: gloves so frequently because there were so much blood and

980
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: um come out of Glenn's face. He was changing him

981
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: so frequently that at one point he's like, fuck it,

982
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm not changing these anymore. I want this tough bastards

983
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: blood in my blood, like the combined bloods. We please

984
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: combined our bloods together, right, But he was refusing pain meds.

985
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: Sounds it sounds like if let's mix our bloods, Like, no,

986
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: how about keep your blode out of my blood? Son um.

987
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: That's just like this is where we start. We're gonna

988
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: we're about to get to maybe maybe the twist, the

989
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: biggest twist here, but this is where you start to.

990
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: And there were rumors. I know, Sam, you probably read them.

991
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: I read them to online where they were like and

992
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: the guy didn't take pain meds. It was was I

993
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: saw a lot of comments and ess words, threads where

994
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: this was part of the urban legend. And the fact

995
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: that you brought it up. I think I was on

996
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: the phone with the Rain Phillips that I mentioned Brett's mom,

997
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: Glenn's wife. The way that came about is I called

998
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: Dr Susan Dean. Dr Susan Dean's office. Matt su was

999
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: a Matt two general or just Matt sew hospital. Well,

1000
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't think that's her office. That's where they went

1001
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: and she that day and got really lucky. That was

1002
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: another thing that Brett said was very lucky. She happened

1003
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: to one reconstructive surgeon was there when they got there.

1004
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: So they decided that this is where they want to go.

1005
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: And Brett kind of explained to me how they got

1006
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: pick that place. But we're gonna explain to you in

1007
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: a minute why they didn't want to go anywhere else

1008
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: and why they were skeptical about pain meds and and

1009
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But this is where this this thing

1010
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: starts to get you start to learn. It's one thing

1011
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: to see that diamond D photo where nine days later

1012
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: this dude miractually somehow just has a nose again and

1013
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: has lips and a chin and it just looks like

1014
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: they just stitched him up through the center. That's one thing.

1015
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: But then to hear about exactly the details how that

1016
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: all went down from the folks that were a part

1017
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: of it, um is even crazier. It's just just crazier.

1018
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: But we're we're for sure at the point where now

1019
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: you have Glenn Bond, who's in a ridiculous state. He's

1020
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: even worse than the photos we've seen. He is. He

1021
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: somehow can see I don't even know how he could

1022
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: even see to direct to look out the window of

1023
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: a helicopter and direct the pilot as to where to go. Um.

1024
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: And he's the one, as we just heard in the audio,

1025
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: staying calm through all this. He's just a tough some

1026
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: bitches as our flight medic. Yeah, but you always asked

1027
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: the question, You've already asked it a couple of times.

1028
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Why is it that they didn't want to go to

1029
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Providence Medical Hospital or any other hospital. Why is it

1030
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: that they picked picked Matt su and why is it that,

1031
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: as as Brett Westcott told us, Brett Bond was being

1032
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: a little combative and at the time when they landed

1033
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: to get Um to take his dad to the hospital.

1034
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: This is a tangent. This is what we'll call a tangent.

1035
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: But it's irrelevant one. Yeah, yeah, it's highly relevant to

1036
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: they're just general distrust of of medicine and medical professionals.

1037
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: That was very much on display throughout the rescue effort

1038
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: and the treatment. And this one was not hard to

1039
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: hard to locate. That's where yet, that's where when Sam

1040
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: and I first started talking about this, I was just

1041
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: google Bret Bond or yeah, and or even Glenn Bond,

1042
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: and this is what comes up this story. Sorry saying

1043
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: I just want to When you told me that we

1044
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: were interviewing this guy, he's like, he was a part

1045
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: of a bear attack in Alaska's kind of a crazy story.

1046
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I'll check it out. So

1047
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: I googled him. Nothing about a bear attack, what you're

1048
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: talking about. It was the only story I came across

1049
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, is this the same guy? How

1050
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: many Brett Bonds in Alaska are there? I think all

1051
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: of us when we heard about this, I did the

1052
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: same thing. I'm reading this, I'm like And that's when

1053
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: I first started reaching out to people going, wait a minute,

1054
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm I'm confounded, confused, kind of excited to

1055
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: help try to tell the truth here. After I talked

1056
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: to Brett, I told I think I even told Anthony

1057
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Lakata I said, I respect this dude, because he straight

1058
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: up just said like, yeah, I could come on your podcast,

1059
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna take some time to think about it.

1060
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna jump into something like this, and I'll

1061
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: let you know if I decided to do it. I

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00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: it happened four years ago, and it's my dad's story,

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: not my story. So immediately I was like respect. But

1064
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: then you start reading into this and you're like, man,

1065
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: this isn't just no wonder. He's being this way, no wonder.

1066
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: He's cautious about this. So so Sam take us through

1067
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: a little bit about what what we're actually talking about. So, yeah,

1068
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: well we're actually talking about also goes back to a

1069
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: bear hunting trip, not surprising knowing Glenn and Brett Bond.

1070
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: So Brett was UM was guiding bear hunters on the

1071
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Alaska Peninsula in October, so this is about three years

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: prior to his father being attacked. Brett had been been

1073
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: taking predn his own, which is a steroid. He'd been

1074
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: taking that nasally for nasal polyps um. He when he

1075
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: was out on this hunt, he was experiencing terrible insomnia UM,

1076
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: and he hadn't slept for eleven days. When he returned

1077
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: from this from this bear hunt, and his parents took

1078
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: him to Providence Hospital, the dovetail to what we're talking

1079
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: about here. The doctors gave him LaRaza PAM and Zoldo PEM,

1080
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: which which helped with anxiety and sleep deprivation, and released him. Uh.

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: The next day when he's back home, Brett started having

1082
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: seizures and then a couple of days later his parents

1083
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: took him back to the hospital where his continued. His

1084
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: condition continued to deteriorate. UM. He started be delirious, he

1085
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: started to hallucinate and even became unresponsive from time to time. UM.

1086
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: He was you know, obviously admitted to the hospital and

1087
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: doctors were working furiously trying to figure out what was

1088
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: going on with him. And I think it's worth worth

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: mentioning that Providence is one of the top hospitals in Alaska,

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01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: Anchorage being the by far and away the biggest city

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: in Alaska. Something like sevent of Alaskans live within ten

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: miles of Anchorage. UM, so this is this is a

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01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: highly regarded institution. I couldn't figure out what's going on,

1094
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: but pretty quickly they're started to become uh contention between

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: primarily Brett's mother but also his father and the hospital staff. UM.

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: There's a there's a quote from from sealed court documents

1097
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: regarding this UM which were surfaced by police State U

1098
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: s A, which apparently is defunct now. UM. But miss

1099
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: Phillips began to intentionally interrupt and interfere with Mr Bond's care.

1100
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: And that's not speculation, that's from State of Alaska court documents. UM. So,

1101
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: his his mom, Lorraine was was very concerned that the

1102
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: medical professionals and the doctors at this hospital were did

1103
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: not have Brett's best interest in mind. I am not

1104
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: entirely sure where that derived from, but I think she

1105
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: thought that the medications that he was receiving were what

1106
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: was contributing to this condition, not seeking to mitigate it.

1107
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: She made she made clear to me in our conversations,

1108
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, and also with Brett, I didn't

1109
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: want to push this. This is something I think, as

1110
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: Lorraine Phillips told me when we talked, it's been reported on.

1111
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: She said, just go look at my Facebook page. I

1112
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: post about it all the time. We didn't talk about

1113
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: it in depth, but she just said, look at these documents.

1114
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: And that's what we did. And so I think, as

1115
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: you said, this is all public record. This was this

1116
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: was this story that you're telling is not a story

1117
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: that just happened locally. There's an overwhelming amount of news coverage.

1118
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: There was a Facebook page and Tide Free Brett Bond

1119
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: that was there at the time, as as his parents,

1120
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: as we'll get into his parents fight there. But just

1121
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: just for scope here, um, we're dealing with, you know,

1122
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: yet another you know, extraordinary event in someone's life. Wanted

1123
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: just to be hospitalized for those reasons, and too to

1124
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: go through what you know, what you'll she'll about to describe,

1125
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: and so you know, in my in talking to Lorraine

1126
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: Phillips a week ago, she she does she believes wholeheartedly

1127
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: that they did not have his best interest in mind,

1128
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: and and that they're still in the wrong. And the

1129
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: distrust is clear, very clear, and that distrust is not

1130
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: only the rain. It's clear from what we heard from

1131
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: Brett Westcott and what we heard from others that you know,

1132
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: Brett and Glenn maybe rightfully so, but especially you know,

1133
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: given what they believe to be the truth is, it's

1134
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: clear that that distrust is there, and it plays out

1135
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: through the bear attack. But but continue with what what

1136
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: happens well basically, so into November, they were they were

1137
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: seeking to pull Brett out of out of the hospital,

1138
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: and the the hospital started having to post security and

1139
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: and there were they were like physical confrontations and they

1140
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: were picketing in front of the hospital, Free, Free Brett.

1141
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: They had hired a lawyer who I believe was a

1142
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: friend at the time, Rhonda Butterfield, but in December she

1143
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: discontinued her legal service of the bonds in order to

1144
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: tell the court that she had heard Lorraine say that

1145
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: she would rather Brett die in her arms than have

1146
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: any more drugs, that she was starting to make funeral arrangements,

1147
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: and that she should have shot him. While I had

1148
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: the chance, and Lorraine denies saying these things. UM, and

1149
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: any of us can choose to believe her or or not. UM,

1150
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm just reporting it as it has been reported in

1151
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: the past. She told the Anchorage Daily News their lies

1152
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: and someone else's thoughts, and then the court ran with it.

1153
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: So whether or not she said that, the Superior Court

1154
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: in Alaska, UM, the okay, you know, bought it because

1155
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: the hospital requested assistance because they knew Brett was in

1156
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: a really bad state, and then if he was removed

1157
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: from the hospital, they thought he was going to die.

1158
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: And uh So in December, with with these with these statements, UM,

1159
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: alleged statements coming to light, uh, they uh they applied

1160
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: to the Office of Public Advocacy to have tempted to

1161
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: get temporary guardian status over Brett, and then UM by January, uh,

1162
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: in twelve days of hearings and the opinions of six neurologists,

1163
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: UM Brett was appointed as a ward of the state

1164
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: and his parents legally had guardianship over him through a

1165
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: will or something that he had had signed, but that

1166
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: was given to the State of Alaska pursuance of, you know,

1167
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: protecting his health because they they were. They were gravely

1168
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: concerned that if he came off the resumeen of of

1169
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: medicine that he was, that he was going to uh

1170
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: probably die. UM. This was this came right I believe

1171
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: right after he was finally diagnosed, UM, and that diagnosis

1172
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 1: was with autoimmune and cephalitis. Uh. It's an infection, very rare,

1173
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: but it causes a person's immune system to attack their

1174
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: brain and start to degrade. It. UM really bad, but

1175
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: a known condition and at least now they understand what

1176
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: it was. UM. And I've looked into this, uh just

1177
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: briefly enough to know that uh there that the symptoms

1178
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: are very confounding and it's it's difficult to arrive at

1179
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: that diagnosis, at that diagnosis. UM. But you know, at

1180
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: the at this point he isn't officially a you know,

1181
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: under the protective guardianship of the state of Alaska. UM.

1182
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: He continued to be treated at at Providence until March,

1183
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: when he was transferred to the HARBREVW. Harbor View Medical

1184
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: Center in Seattle, which is one of the one of

1185
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: the top hospitals in the country. It's associated with the

1186
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: University of Washington Medical School. I've been there personally. UM.

1187
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: And he and so they flew him down there. Brett's

1188
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: parents also went down there, and I believe there was

1189
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: a time when it was all okay. They were able

1190
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: to visit him um, and everything was going all right

1191
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: sort of. But then on April uh a nurse was

1192
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: wheeling Grett in a wheelchair down the halls of Harbor

1193
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: View and entered a elevator and as the doors were closing,

1194
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: the nurse was shoved from the back outside of the

1195
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: elevator and Brett disappeared. They called the police, knowing that

1196
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's this security risks surrounding brett Um. The

1197
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 1: police went to the hotel where they knew his parents

1198
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: were staying, and then from there were able to figure

1199
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: out that they had taken him to a neighborhood clinic

1200
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 1: where Lorraine had admitted Brett Um to have him treated

1201
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: for drug withdrawal because her belief is that the psychotropic

1202
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: drugs that they were um issuing him were in fact,

1203
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, generating this condition that he was suffering from.

1204
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: And you know, by this point you mentioned the free

1205
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 1: bet Brett Bond Facebook page, there was a national outcry

1206
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: again this there there's a there's a whole whole other

1207
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: rabbit hole on medical incarceration. And I'm still not entirely

1208
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: clear how people frame this or like why they think

1209
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: these evil doctors are trying to body snatch people. But

1210
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: but but there's a lot but there are a lot

1211
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: of people who believe this, and so and and so

1212
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of an echo chamber going on.

1213
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: UM Lorraine was charged with kidnapping, and Brett was returned

1214
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: to the hospital. But then a few months later, a

1215
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: month later, he was recovered, released released from UM the

1216
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,839
Speaker 1: medical guardianship of the state, and went to stay with

1217
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: with family in Idaho. But his but the story endures,

1218
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, completely separate from the bear incident, but as

1219
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: UM as kind of a quasi deep state conspiracy. UM

1220
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: and and and he's really held up as as one

1221
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: of these examples of of some secret cabal of doctors

1222
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: that medically incarcerate people for nefarious purposes. Yeah, and you

1223
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: know that when we look at when we're looking at this,

1224
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 1: especially in talking to Bread about it, UM, which I

1225
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: haven't done much of. I know, we probably mentioned it

1226
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: a couple times. I mostly talked to the Rain about

1227
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: it because she was very open about her feelings and

1228
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: to me when I when we first came across, as

1229
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: I thought, and I know we talked about this same

1230
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: I thought, well, um, interesting, how relevant? I'm not sure.

1231
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 1: Probably not all that relevant in terms of a guy

1232
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: gets attacked by a bear and survives. Probably not. But

1233
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: as we got into the story and you kind of

1234
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: start to see, you know, the lack of trust in

1235
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: the media, which I'm sure which I'm sure that Lorraine

1236
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: and bread and family felt at some level scorned buy

1237
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: in this. I'm only only guessing at that UM, there

1238
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: was some level of distrust there. Lorraine articulated to me

1239
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: in our conversation that she did she still felt extreme

1240
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: level of distrust with Providence Medical and there was a

1241
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: lawsuit in UM in the Supreme Court of last There

1242
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: is a lawsuit I found it where she she names

1243
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: some eighteen different plaintiffs, including doctors and Providence Medical as

1244
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: a whole. And I believe Harbor view to she she

1245
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: is not shy about that feeling. I'm not I'm not

1246
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: here to comment on on its truth or untruth. UM,

1247
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: I can tell you that the bear attack narrative is true.

1248
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: Like I could sit here and tell you that I'm

1249
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: willing to with what I know and what Joe and

1250
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: Sam help me find out that this is true. The

1251
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: what Sam went through and what we're report in the

1252
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: story is what we got from court documents and from

1253
01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: from already published medium materials. And so we're not gonna

1254
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: skip over that. Yeah, And I and I and I

1255
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: tried to say that with as little editorialism as possible.

1256
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: And I don't want to discount the power of prayer

1257
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: for for healing because people truly believe in that. And

1258
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say

1259
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: they're wrong. I'm just I'm just telling you what happened

1260
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: after what I have learned from reading dozens pond dozens

1261
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: of stories about sure UM and so that there there,

1262
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,839
Speaker 1: there that is I think that does inform why UM

1263
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: Glenn Bond didn't want to go to put the profitence

1264
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: Medical Hospital UM or be treated by their doctors UM.

1265
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: He wanted to go somewhere else, and they landed on Matsu.

1266
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: It was a hospital UM where Dr Susan Dean was

1267
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: And I, you know, I haven't gotten this comment from

1268
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: directly from Brett like, but like I said, my my

1269
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: take on it, my personal take after talking to everybody involved.

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: Is that you know at some level, after you go

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Speaker 1: through something like that, you're gonna be way, way, way

1272
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: more guarded about everything in your life, specifically things like

1273
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 1: this bear attack and so here we are, like, like

1274
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: I said, that was a twist in this story that

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01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: I didn't see common when I first started talking to Brett.

1276
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: I feel we have to treat it with kid gloves

1277
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: because it's it's there's two sides to every story, and

1278
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: there's certainly two sides to this one. Um. But it's there,

1279
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: it is, it's part of it's part of this tale. Um, Phil.

1280
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any questions at this point that you

1281
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: would like to ask? Uh? Does Brett You don't have

1282
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: to if he talks about this in the interview, don't

1283
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: comment on it. But does is he aligned with his

1284
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: mother about how he was treated? We didn't talk about it,

1285
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: partly because in the interview I wasn't really we hadn't

1286
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: done the rest of the investigation when I talked to Brett. Um.

1287
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: But him and I really haven't talked about it to

1288
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: this day. Like said, I talked to Lorraine about it.

1289
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: She feels strongly um and that's where that's where we

1290
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: currently are. He has post about it on his Facebook.

1291
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: He I would almost and I'd be willing to confirm

1292
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: this with him after we hit the hit the the

1293
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: off button the year on the record that he I

1294
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: would be willing to speculate that he agrees with his mother,

1295
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: that I would be willing to speculate given what we

1296
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: know about how he was acting, you know, in terms

1297
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: of when Brest, what Brett Westcott and his team showed up.

1298
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, Brett did tell us that he was being

1299
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: a bit combative. He was, you know, was taking photos

1300
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: of their badges and getting evidence and making sure that

1301
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: his dad went where his dad wanted to go. M

1302
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: He even went so far as to say, um that

1303
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: he wanted one of the flight medical crew to stay

1304
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: behind so that he could go with his dad, Um,

1305
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: because he did not trust them going without him. So

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: that I mean that there's there, Like, like I said,

1307
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want I still don't want to have this

1308
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: whole thing to be about that, but this is that's

1309
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: just part of it, and it informs all these crazy

1310
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: things that happened. But but then we get to, you know,

1311
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: one person we haven't talked about. I wish we could

1312
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: there's some circumstances where we haven't been able to talk

1313
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: to Dr Susan Dean, who is the plastic surgeon, the

1314
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: surgeon that was on call on staff at the hospital

1315
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: where Brett Westcott landed his helicopter and they rushed len

1316
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: Bond to surgery. But according to to Lorraine Phillips, she's

1317
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: and like I said, she sent me his medical chart.

1318
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: He was in there for six and a half days,

1319
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: so I remember correctly, I think I do like six

1320
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: and a half days, and he had one surgery one

1321
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: he the instructions were no pain medication, no blood transfusion,

1322
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: and only mild sedation. And it's ad ext debate as

1323
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: soon as possible on his metal cooking chart as well.

1324
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: And so here's the situation where this man it's like,

1325
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it was the worst trauma that

1326
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: someone can go through, but boy, pain meds would have

1327
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: probably been nice for most people. Yeah, And I mean

1328
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: every every person we talked to saw the scene just

1329
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,879
Speaker 1: I mean even Brett just couldn't describe how much blood

1330
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: had been lost and to not have any additional blood

1331
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: added to his system is it's amazing that we we

1332
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: would return at some point to the photo in Diamond

1333
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: Customer Ether where nine days later here's a guy who

1334
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean it was, I don't know that, you know.

1335
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 1: I know in in the interview you talked to Brett

1336
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: Westcotty's talking. He talks about the golden hour in terms of,

1337
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: like you get whacked like this, there's an hour to

1338
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: get care. Yeah, and as you'll hear from Brett soon,

1339
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: it's hours. I mean probably four or five hours if

1340
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: you add it all up. I think it ended up

1341
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: being like four and a half hours from the time

1342
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: he was attacked by the bear until he hit the

1343
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: ground and the yep, he's so then he he had

1344
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: there's one surgery in which I don't know the details

1345
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 1: of it, but there was mild sedation involved, which means

1346
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't fully out, or if he was out,

1347
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: it wasn't for very long. They fixed his face. Six

1348
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: and a half days later, he's out. Nine days later,

1349
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: he's taking a photo in Diamond d custom Lather. Those

1350
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: things we know for sure that those things happened. They're

1351
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: corroborated by multiple sources, and so I guess that LEDs

1352
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: us to the one doctor. There's three surgeons. There was

1353
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: an eye surgeon and ear surgeon, and then doctor Studan Dean,

1354
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: who did the initial surgery. Both of those, the eye

1355
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: and ear doctor were in Idaho. Both of them correct

1356
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: wrong around two thousand eighteen. They were performed secondary surgeries.

1357
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: And you talked to the ear doctor, the ear doctor,

1358
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: Ye tell us about that. Dr Crawford. He he confirmed

1359
01:17:56,160 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: again just how tough Glend is and what a attitude

1360
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: heat about the the whole ordeal. But so what Dr

1361
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: Crawford did was he he fixed the ear canal the

1362
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: ear that was was ripped off uh and reattached by

1363
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: Dr Dean. Everything was still functional underneath underneath that ear

1364
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: that was reattached. So basically what he did he went

1365
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 1: in and opened up that ear canal again so that

1366
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 1: he was able to use his ear. And he confirmed

1367
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: after that, He's like, yep, no pain pills and he

1368
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 1: never came back for a post op that you're just

1369
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: like And then I think he called Brett later and

1370
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 1: Light called Glenn later, and I was like, yeah, I

1371
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: hear myself pissing for the first time. That's Glenn actually

1372
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: called the office just a couple of days after the

1373
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: whole or deal and he's like this is great. I

1374
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: could hear myself pissing in the little of the night. Yeah. Um,

1375
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, there we are. I mean there. I'm sure

1376
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 1: there's other things that we missed here. As Brett told

1377
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: me the other day on the phone, you don't know

1378
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: half the story, and I'm sure that there's We're We're

1379
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: going to continue investigating this and looking into it and

1380
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: trying to make sure the truth is there in spades. Um.

1381
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: That you will see an article coming in the next

1382
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: week or so on to the Mediator dot com that

1383
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: will run this all out in detail. Um, all the

1384
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: interviews we've done, all the investigative work that we've done

1385
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: to help. The way that I look I don't know

1386
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: the way you guys look at it. I know neither

1387
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: of you have talked to Brett or his mother, but

1388
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: I have. And the way I look at it, and

1389
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: I truly look at it this way, is that I,

1390
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: like I were in the unique position to help them

1391
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: tell their truth, the truth in terms of the bear attack. Um,

1392
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: I we I went through this journey where I I

1393
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: didn't think it was true, then I thought it was true,

1394
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 1: Then it was then that was challenged, and then we

1395
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: went back and triple checked it and everything everything, basically

1396
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: everything that Brett has said checks out. I can't think

1397
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: of anything Joe or Sam that he said that I

1398
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: checked on and that wasn't corroborated by someone else. Incredibly,

1399
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything, you know. The only thing,

1400
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: the only thing that stound stands out at me, out

1401
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: to me, is you know, a question we haven't quite

1402
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: answered yet here is why why now? Why four years later?

1403
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: Why did he ignore the media attention then but then

1404
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: sought it this year in March? And he explained it

1405
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: very very briefly, and and you'll hear in this interview. Yeah,

1406
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's kind of indicative of who he

1407
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: is and who his family is when he said that

1408
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: he's a private person. But but now you're not. Um,

1409
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it. Ah, it leaves it leaves

1410
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: a big question that's not answerable, not verifiable, but it's

1411
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,480
Speaker 1: very intriguing. Yeah, and he talks about you would imagine

1412
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: it's the timing where the question comes in right, that

1413
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: he would feel the need to clarify is not surprising

1414
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: given what we know that it took this long to

1415
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: get the clarification is where where I'm like, hmm, okay,

1416
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: why he explains it and you gotta take him by

1417
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:29,560
Speaker 1: his word, you know, and that, like you said, that

1418
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: is the one the one part we're like, why so long?

1419
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: Here we are. You can see wanting to set the

1420
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: records straight. Um, you can see wanting to promote your business.

1421
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: That's that. And he admits that part. And you'll hear

1422
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: him say like he knew that during quarantine that he

1423
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: had he knew he had a viral story on his hands,

1424
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: and he knew that during quarantine people would be on

1425
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 1: their phones and he wanted to had a captive audience,

1426
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: and um, he was smart about it. And and then

1427
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:02,919
Speaker 1: here we are, you know, and again here again it's

1428
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: what's today May something, twenty something, I don't know, I

1429
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: lost count eight. That was close. He posts that stuff.

1430
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 1: In March twentie he shared some of his of the

1431
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: story with mentions it in the interview a couple of

1432
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: places on Instagram. But there's been no big coverage of this.

1433
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: This is the first what we're doing right now is

1434
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 1: the first time anyone's hearing a lot of this connected

1435
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: to this bear attack. And that is again, uh knowing

1436
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: Brett A couple of weeks I have that's by design,

1437
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: and so that that all mixes together and what you know,

1438
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: what we'll call an urban legend here. And so what

1439
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: you're about to hear is Brett's first time on a podcast.

1440
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Is he didn't really, like I said, didn't know what

1441
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: it was when I first talked to him. You're about

1442
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: to hear the first time that he talks about this

1443
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 1: publicly outside of his own Instagram chow. That's that's in

1444
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: the first time that Lorraine Phillips, to my knowledge, has

1445
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: talked about this publicly, the first time that Brett Westcott

1446
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: I talked about this publicly. That all that will be

1447
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 1: included in our article. But so what you're about to

1448
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: hear is is Brett's account. Um, I can vote. I

1449
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: believe him, think this is all true. It is amazing. Uh,

1450
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: He's a hero. His dad is the toughest son of

1451
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: a bitch alive. Now enjoy Brett Bond telling his story

1452
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: that day in the nal Ohia. Brett, how's it going, man?

1453
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Hey Ben? How you doing good? Pretty good good. We're

1454
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: back in the studio and I've been talking for a

1455
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: couple of weeks about doing this, and I've been stuck

1456
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 1: at home doing these podcasts. But we're finally back in

1457
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: the studio. So thanks for the perfect excuse to get

1458
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: back in here. Yeah, no problem, sounds good. How are

1459
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: things in a Laska man? Oh, it's going good. Um

1460
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: minus non residents can't hunt, so it works a little slow.

1461
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: But out there just being a resident joining hunting. Yeah,

1462
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: what's the you know, from your perspective, what do you

1463
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: what's the you know? We we've talked a lot here

1464
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater and even on this podcast about helping

1465
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: the guiding community, because that's it's you know here locally

1466
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: in Montana, the fly fishing community has been hit hard.

1467
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: The hunting community has been hit hard. Um, what's your

1468
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: perspective on, you know, being a guide and trying to

1469
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: keep a business going. I'm sure cancelations and things popping up.

1470
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's you know, it's all

1471
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,719
Speaker 1: new to me. But uh, as far as you know this, uh,

1472
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: closure and stuff. But I'm hoping for the best. I'm

1473
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 1: just trying to stay positive and looking forward to June one,

1474
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 1: and I'm just telling my clients and stuff just continue

1475
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: on and hopefully everything will get released and we'll be

1476
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 1: good to go June one. I don't know what else

1477
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: to do. I'm just waiting for further notice. So yeah,

1478
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: you're telling me you've been doing some hunting yourself. Yeah, yeah,

1479
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: I've done some hunting. Uh, got a few bears, but

1480
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: on four bear hunts in the last it's been fun.

1481
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: So good man, good, I'm glad you're still doing what

1482
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 1: you what you love to do. Um. You know, we

1483
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: want to you know, a lot of things we want

1484
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: to cover here today. Um. You know everybody's gonna want

1485
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: to hear about the attack that became viral a couple

1486
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: of weeks ago on on Instagram and elsewhere. Um, but uh,

1487
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: I want to, you know, hear about you first, hear

1488
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: about your family here, about how you grew up in Alaska.

1489
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Alaska is the place is near near my heart just

1490
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: because it's wild as hell and I love to visit it.

1491
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: But you grew up in it, um, and I had

1492
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: a lot of good experiences. So you started hunting at

1493
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: what age? Man? I started hunting young. It was probably

1494
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: My memories would be probably three four hunting rabbits, snowshoet

1495
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: hairs up here in Alaska. You know, I started out

1496
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 1: planking with the BB gun and that was probably my

1497
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: first memories, was shooting rabbits and squirrels. So yeah, it's

1498
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: your what's your dad the first guy to take you

1499
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: out or do you have family members that did or

1500
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 1: what what introduced you to run around outside? Yeah? I

1501
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: was my dad and my mom Dad. Mom. They would

1502
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: take me out right away. So I mean I was

1503
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: snow machine there, six weeks old. They had me on

1504
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: the back of the snow machine and um, yeah, my

1505
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: parents took me out right away. So I was fortunate

1506
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: enough to be born right here in the Last Frontier

1507
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: and I was living the life. So your parents, what

1508
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 1: was their background? I know, you know they they taught

1509
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: you to love the outdoors, but what what were they

1510
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: like growing up? Um? Well, my dad was born in

1511
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Colorado and he came up here in nineteen sixty six

1512
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: and as a school teacher and started out in eight

1513
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Act and then went to Anchorage in nineteen sixty eight,

1514
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: and he was on Bluga hunts and seals and all

1515
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. But you know before the that Act came

1516
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: around in nineteen seventy two, so he has a big

1517
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: hunting background in Colorado. My mom was basically born here.

1518
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: She's been here since nine months old. And um, she

1519
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: didn't really have a hunting background, but when she met

1520
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: my dad in the early eighties or whatever, um, she

1521
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: was the big hunter. So I kind of took her spot,

1522
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: you know over um officially kind of when I was

1523
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: about twelve years old. So but um, as far as

1524
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: the hunting goes, So, yeah, I read on your website

1525
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: you killed your first cariboo when you were seven. Yep,

1526
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: first cariboo at seven, first moose, and eight. I should

1527
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: have had my first moose the same year as my

1528
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: caribo when I was seven, but it was fifty my

1529
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 1: dad had. It was a regular size gun and he

1530
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: cut the stock in half for me, and um, after

1531
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: that caribou hunt, I wasn't really looking forward to carrying

1532
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: that gun. So my dad told me on the moose hunt,

1533
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: he says, if you can't carry your own rifle, you

1534
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: can't shoot it. So I watched my dad shoot a

1535
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: moose right in front of me when I was seven,

1536
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 1: and then finally the next year, I carried my gun

1537
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: and shot the moose. It was actually a lot bigger moose,

1538
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,800
Speaker 1: So I was happy, happy for the Uh. Yeah, your

1539
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 1: relationship with your dad, you know, because we'll get to

1540
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: to what happened four years ago. But you know, how

1541
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: would you describe your relationship with your dad? Are you

1542
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 1: guys close, best friends, hunting partners? What's how would you

1543
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: describe that to folks? We're pretty close. Um, you know

1544
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: after you know, after the attack, you kind of changed

1545
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: things a little bit. You know, we used to you know,

1546
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: he used to kind of be guiding. You know, he

1547
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 1: used to guide too, So, I mean he retired school

1548
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: teacher at ninety two, started guiding when he was he

1549
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: was assisting guide all the way up until October two

1550
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, so six months before the attack. And he's

1551
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: the reason why I got into guiding, basically, So the

1552
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: master guy that he was employed by with the last

1553
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: ten years or so of his career was bargain me.

1554
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: So finally, after I graduated college, started guiding, and uh,

1555
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: kind of turning it into a career at this point.

1556
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: So I enjoy it. But um, as far as relationship goes,

1557
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: we still go out and stuff. Obviously we're hunting together

1558
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen. And actually I thought, just moments

1559
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: before the attack, I thought, this is gonna be pretty cool.

1560
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in a picture with him. You know,

1561
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: he was in my picture, um when I was seven

1562
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: years old and he was gonna He was seventy seven

1563
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: at the time, and I thought I was actually in

1564
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: visualizing taking pictures and then uh, the attack happened. So

1565
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: but um, as far as hunting nowadays, we went out

1566
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 1: hunting last year, didn't get anything, but hoping during the

1567
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: future that this year we're gonna go out hunting again. Um,

1568
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: because he can't hold a normal gun, so we got

1569
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: him a stock with a hole in it. So I'm

1570
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 1: hoping to get him a moose or something with this

1571
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: this year. So yeah, yeah, Hey, being a guide, I

1572
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: mean you're you know, I was reading a lot about

1573
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: your service bb Alaska dot com. If you you want

1574
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 1: to go whenever this COVID damn thing clears up, you

1575
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: want to go visit bread up there and pay for services? Um,

1576
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: what's it like being being a guy? Is that everything

1577
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:02,440
Speaker 1: you thought it would be? You know, Like I know, um,

1578
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: you know your business is good. Yeah, looking at your

1579
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 1: Instagram account, there's let you guys are taking a lot

1580
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: of great animals and you're a great part of the country.

1581
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: So like, what what you know, what's the career as

1582
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: a guide, like, well, I enjoy it. Um, I don't

1583
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: even think I'm working because I do it for fun.

1584
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: When I'm not, you know, if I'm not guiding, I'm

1585
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: hunting for fun. Um. It's something that I enjoy, in

1586
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:29,799
Speaker 1: my opinion, being right there and saying, you know, shoot

1587
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: the animals. I get the same rush as when I'm

1588
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: holding the rifle and I'm shooting the animal. Um, it's

1589
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: a great way to shoot, you know, share Alaska with others.

1590
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I totally love what I do. Um. I

1591
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: couldn't see myself doing anything else. And uh, I don't know,

1592
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, you know, things obviously, times they're a

1593
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: little different right now. So but I'm hoping that everything

1594
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: we're resuming a normal um without any changes like it

1595
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: used to be. But just trying to be optimistic about it. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1596
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: as we move to the attack, I think, you know,

1597
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: as we before we really get into the attack itself,

1598
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: from your perspectives, we don't have your dad on and

1599
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 1: we're not going to tell his story for him. Um,

1600
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: when you decided it was you told me when I

1601
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: first started messaing you about this. Because I want to

1602
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: say that hundreds of people sent me the link to

1603
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 1: your original post. It had to have been hundreds of people.

1604
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 1: And then and then co workers, UM, family members. A

1605
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: lot of people were talking about when you posted. And

1606
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: when I first started messaging you about this, you you

1607
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: just said, you know, it's four years ago, UM, and

1608
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,480
Speaker 1: there was so much that was unknown about the photos

1609
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: and the attack and who you guys were. UM. You

1610
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: know why, I think the core question for me, UM,

1611
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: other than just getting the details out about this attack,

1612
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: is why did you post it when you did? Why

1613
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: did I post him when I did? Well? UM, four

1614
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: years ago. I think it was about three weeks after

1615
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I actually went hunting, UM, when I was out of

1616
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 1: service for about twenty days, shortly after the attack. When

1617
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 1: I got back, I got messages saying that, you know,

1618
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: three or four of my pictures are viral on wine

1619
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: and then I started seeing it over the years, and

1620
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, just a lot of people saying it's fake,

1621
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: and you know, all these stories that rise up, UM,

1622
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,959
Speaker 1: and all these accounts saying oh they know what happened

1623
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: and this you know, blah blah blah, and you know

1624
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of other names being put on the photo

1625
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: and saying there's somebody else and I don't know, Like,

1626
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 1: once you know, this quarantine started happening, I kind of

1627
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: figured what can I do for my business and kind

1628
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: of sat down. I thought, well, everybody's gonna be on

1629
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: their phones at home, so maybe i'll share a little

1630
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: bit of my video, UM kind of show. Mainly I

1631
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: was just trying to show people it's not fake. And

1632
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 1: then I was trying to emphasize UM hashtag save a life,

1633
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: carry a handgun, And I was just trying to share,

1634
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: you know, my story and what happened, and hopefully you'll

1635
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: save somebody else's life someday. Yeah. I want to talk

1636
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot about that part of it too, given your

1637
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: experience as a guide and as a you know, as

1638
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: a kid kid growing up in Bear Country, and then

1639
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: you know this experience in and of itself. UM, did

1640
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: you you know when when you made that post? I know,

1641
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you know what the photos and

1642
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 1: videos are that they will draw attention. You mentioned that, Um,

1643
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: was there any surprise when it went you know, I

1644
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 1: guess re viral or or blew up during the quarantine

1645
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 1: the way it did. No, I knew it was gonna

1646
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: blow viral. UM Obviously it was a little slow because

1647
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I was just on my private account, you know, was

1648
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 1: six hundred some followers. But once it took you know,

1649
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: a day or two and then boom it and then

1650
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it shot off. I went viral, and then you know,

1651
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: I was getting a lot of d M. So I figured, well,

1652
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I'll just do, you know, sing a little bit more

1653
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: of the story, you know, a little posts. So I

1654
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: ended up doing four posts, and I actually collaborated with

1655
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: North American Rescue on Instagram and they did a couple

1656
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: of posts kind of more of the medical side of it,

1657
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: because you know, everybody's kind of can't understand how he

1658
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: was talking and stuff, and we explained that a little

1659
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: bit and my medical background and kind of you know

1660
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: what played out as far as you know, his airway

1661
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff. So that's on North

1662
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: American Rescue on Instagram. There, let's let's get into that

1663
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 1: really quick. You know, what's your what what is your

1664
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: I know your licensed by the US Coastguard. Um, you

1665
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: receive your fifty ton Master Coastcard license. UM. There's a

1666
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: bunch of things. Standard first aid, a doll a d

1667
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: training that you've gone through, hold a Certificate in Training

1668
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: and Willern's Remote First Aid as well. So just take

1669
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: take us through that. Why do you you know, why

1670
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: do you feel it's necessary to get those trainings? UM?

1671
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: And where you know that knowledge base? Well, how I

1672
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: started doing it was basically a requirement UM for guiding,

1673
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: and we'll in their safety Specialists aka bearguard. I've been

1674
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: bearguarding UH for ten years and guiding for ten years,

1675
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: so I've been doing those two pass career paths basically

1676
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: for the last ten years together. And a lot of

1677
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the training interlocks UM learn to return UH systems. They're

1678
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: an anchorage I've done most of my training and UM

1679
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: actually I did like there one of their upper level

1680
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: classes actually just exactly a year before, and that was

1681
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: basically in the back of my mind when I walked

1682
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 1: up to my dad, UM doing my medical assessment the airways,

1683
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: the bleeding and stuff like that, and UM going through

1684
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: the you know, going through that in my mind, the checklist. UM,

1685
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: it's good to have, I would say, definitely in the

1686
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: back country. UM, just anybody should have it, even if

1687
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: you don't even have to be a guide or be

1688
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 1: a bear guard or professional you know, career in the outdoors.

1689
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: Just anybody that enjoys the outdoors that it's that it's

1690
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: exposed to, it should basically I would recommend basically having

1691
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: that background training, especially when you're in bear country. Yeah,

1692
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 1: can you talk about I know, um, when North American rescues.

1693
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 1: When I read about this from them, the story you shared,

1694
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: they talk about a march assessment. Can you talk to

1695
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: you that a little bit? Yeah, just going through that

1696
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: just I mean, I mean I was when I first

1697
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: got up to him, of course, you know, I mean

1698
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: I look at him and my first impression, you know,

1699
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: was Okay, this is gonna be about ten seconds and

1700
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch him, you know, crok right in front

1701
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: of my eyes. But um, to my I mean he

1702
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 1: was talking or hearing consciously. It was just it was amazing,

1703
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: like once impact happened, everything went in our favorite. I mean,

1704
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: he still had one eye, so you could still see me.

1705
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Obviously I didn't. He wasn't didn't have a mirror out there,

1706
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: so he didn't panic at all. You know, I had

1707
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: to look at him, but he didn't have to look

1708
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: at himself. He still had a new ear left, so

1709
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 1: you can still hear me. No major blood loss, so

1710
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: that was my first thing. I was just checking him,

1711
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: doing the pat down that UM learn to return taught

1712
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: me just I mean, he had a lot of you know,

1713
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: winter clothes on snow pants. I saw a little bit

1714
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: of blood on him, but later on found out that

1715
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 1: he had actually had claw marks in his butt from

1716
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: the bear. That's one thing I missed during my assessment,

1717
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 1: but mainly his hands. Um, that was the only thing

1718
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: he complained about was his wrist and uh. Talking to

1719
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: one of those surgeons about a week later after the

1720
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: first initial surgery, UM, he says Cain, I went into

1721
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: his wrists and hit that artery and pushed it out

1722
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: all the way. So he said, you had had about

1723
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: ten minutes to react to that. So fortunately I really

1724
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: didn't have to do any medical treatment on him. Um,

1725
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 1: like probably twenty five minutes. He wanted me. He asked

1726
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: me to tie up his face. So I grabbed his

1727
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: face and he hand me his handkerchief and I did

1728
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,599
Speaker 1: attempt to tie it on. I think I got maybe

1729
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,799
Speaker 1: half the not done, and he was choking on himself.

1730
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: So I just let his face hanging back down and

1731
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: I just kind of went with that. So very fortunate, Yeah,

1732
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: very fortunate. UM, you know, the in the instinct that

1733
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: you have, the instincts that you have in in the

1734
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: face of something like that. You know, when you're when

1735
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: you're looking at your father in that you know, and

1736
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 1: everybody who's hopefully you know, seeing the photos and read

1737
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: the story, you'll know. I'm sure it was a gruesome

1738
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: sight and you were able to kind of let those

1739
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: instincts and your training kick in and do all the

1740
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: right things to make sure. UM, yeah, you saved his life.

1741
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, as we talk about as

1742
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: we get ready to tell the story here, I just

1743
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 1: want to make sure that people understand, like your commitment

1744
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: to what's impressed me about talking to you prior to this,

1745
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: your commitment to this, UM, your commitment to teaching people

1746
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 1: UM this you know what I would say, is this

1747
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 1: this essential skill and the central craft UM. And then

1748
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: how it played itself out in this situation I think

1749
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: is equally amazing. UM being So, so, let's let's rewind

1750
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: the clock a little bit and back to you know,

1751
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: where were you guys, what were you hunting? What? You know,

1752
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: why did you decide to go out? Give give people

1753
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of the backstory to the hunt itself. Okay, well

1754
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: it was in April, um, so obviously early. It was

1755
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 1: mid April. It was actually a tax day to be

1756
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 1: exact on his attack mid April. But uh, we just

1757
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: decided to go out April spring bear hunting, you know,

1758
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: on snow machine and try to get a bear that's

1759
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: freshly out at the den and uh no rubs on it.

1760
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: And I kind of wanted to see my dad shoot

1761
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: a bear, um because you know, he was getting up

1762
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: there in age that back then he was seventy seven

1763
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,800
Speaker 1: and he wanted to go out and shoot a bear

1764
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: and I was just looking forward to, you know, get

1765
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: him a bear. Um. And uh, we decided to go

1766
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: in interior Alaska. We're hunting in the Alaska Range and

1767
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 1: uh on snow machine and um yeah, no, Um, is

1768
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: this something you guys have done done a lot before?

1769
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: It sounds like your dad hadn't hadn't bear hunted often?

1770
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. He's been guiding Peninsula Kodiak a lot

1771
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: of ten footers. He actually got attacked back in two

1772
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: thousand and seven on Kodiak. He was guiding a client

1773
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,960
Speaker 1: and there was another guide with him that already finished up,

1774
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: so he was with him and my dad was guiding

1775
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: his client and they actually saw these two bears the

1776
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: day before. It was they thought it was a uh,

1777
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, a sound a big sow and a boar,

1778
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 1: but it ended up being a nine and a half

1779
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: foot boar and a ten foot boar. Um. They actually

1780
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: called him the queer bears, a buck valley um, and

1781
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: they actually shot. They shot the nine and a half footer,

1782
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: and uh, they were just getting up to it, I guess.

1783
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't there, so I'm just telling you

1784
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 1: the brief of it. And uh, all of a sudden,

1785
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the other guide was a little bit behind, yelling he's

1786
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: gonna get you, Glenn. He's gonna get you, Glenn. And

1787
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: then there comes all there's moving and my dad and

1788
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 1: the hunter, Jack Browns and their rifle, and my dad says,

1789
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: as soon as you see the bear, shoot and the

1790
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: hunter shot it, and then my dad shot it right

1791
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: in the head and it's get it right in front

1792
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:15,720
Speaker 1: of him. So I guess there was ten ft and

1793
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: they came in that instance. But so get to the point,

1794
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 1: he has, you know, lots of a bear experience. I

1795
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 1: learned a lot from him. Most of my bears, you know,

1796
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: experience you know, over a decade ago. Came from him

1797
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: getting into the guiding career, and so he's definitely uh

1798
01:41:32,720 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: well experienced um in that. And uh yeah, when you're

1799
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: going into a hunt like this, um, you guys talk

1800
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: about it before you leave. Is it just something that

1801
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, you guys just have a mutual understanding of

1802
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: what what you're gonna do if you run into a

1803
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 1: problem bear or if you're in a situation like that. Yeah,

1804
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: that I mean, for instance, like I always do my

1805
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: guide talk when I'm going with somebody, but going into

1806
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: this one, we really didn't have a talk. I mean,

1807
01:41:59,479 --> 01:42:01,680
Speaker 1: I just have so much respect for him, and he

1808
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: taught me everything, so I kind of really didn't, you know,

1809
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 1: step up to the plate and kind of talk everything over.

1810
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,799
Speaker 1: Just you know, he's the guy that taught me everything.

1811
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: So he actually didn't carry his three seventy five on

1812
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: this hunt, particularly because the whole season was still open,

1813
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:23,679
Speaker 1: so he was carrying his weather be three um, something

1814
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: that he regrets, you know obviously afterwards. So he's carrying

1815
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 1: hunterning bullet but rather than a bullet um and had

1816
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: a mixture of factory rounds and reloads in the gun.

1817
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: So Um, if he had his three seventy five, I

1818
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 1: not sure, but I'm pretty sure things would have been

1819
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: a little different situation that was presented. Yeah, that I

1820
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: think that tracks on all the bear bear attack stories

1821
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: we've covered on this show, and it's certainly tracks with viewers.

1822
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: There's just little idiosyncratis, little decisions that lead up to

1823
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the end result, whether it's positive or negative, you know exactly,

1824
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: And it's just a little these little things, and it's

1825
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:08,120
Speaker 1: gotten me to think about, you know, when I'm out

1826
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,959
Speaker 1: in grizzly country, you think about the little things. Understand,

1827
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, these are this, this what thinks like. It's

1828
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 1: a very small decision before I jump in my truck,

1829
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:20,599
Speaker 1: can be can mean life or death. Take us through

1830
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: what the day was like, you know, you know, right

1831
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,719
Speaker 1: before um it happened, you guys seeing a lot of bears.

1832
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 1: Give us just a brief description of the hunt prior

1833
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: to the attack. Yeah, it was sunny, conditions were good,

1834
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 1: not too favorable. They're a little bit warm, but it

1835
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:40,560
Speaker 1: was still crusty in the morning, and uh, everything was

1836
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: going good. We knew we had to get on something,

1837
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, before noon and try to best get out

1838
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: of there before you know, snow got too soft for writing,

1839
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, no, just I'm the one who actually

1840
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 1: spotted it. I see it kind of like a hole

1841
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 1: up there in a bunch of tracks, and I studied

1842
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,120
Speaker 1: it pretty good from down he low and noticed that.

1843
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: HEN was like, hey, there's no exit tracks. What I

1844
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: mean by that is nothing going over the mountain, nothing

1845
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: going away. All the tracts lead back into the hole.

1846
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: So I asked my dad. I said, I'm pretty sure

1847
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: there's a bear, you know, up there, up on that mountain.

1848
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: I said uh. And he goes, oh, why don't we

1849
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 1: do it tomorrow? I go, no, there's no tomorrow. I said,

1850
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: I want to leave this afternoon. I said, so, I said,

1851
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: we either do it now or we just get out

1852
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: of here. And he said, do you have a coin?

1853
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: Let's flip a coin and I said no, I don't

1854
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: have a coin. So we're gonna go the other way,

1855
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know whatever, Either that or we're gonna

1856
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: go look at the bear and see if you know

1857
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: what a kind of bear it was. And I said no,

1858
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a coin. So he kind of looked

1859
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: back and forth, you know, up the other valley that

1860
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:50,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna go check out or back up the mountain.

1861
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 1: He said, well, let's go. So that's kind of how

1862
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: that led into the whole deal there. Yeah, so you guys,

1863
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: you guys get going up that direction. Um, and and

1864
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: when is when's the first time you knew there was trouble? Well? Uh, well,

1865
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 1: I got up there and I thought about getting the

1866
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: above it with the machines, but it looked pretty steep

1867
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell him that, you know, crevice, and

1868
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: he was driving a little thunder that's a single cylinder

1869
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 1: three hundred, so I didn't, you know, I didn't want

1870
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: to right up and have him walk. So we both

1871
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: walked up and I got to this little advantage point.

1872
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,759
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a little dull, like a little

1873
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 1: flattened top within the mountain, and I arranged find it.

1874
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: It was thirty six yards and we were slightly down

1875
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: pretty much level with level with it. So I felt

1876
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable there. And uh, I said, well, let's we

1877
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: gotta go check these tracks out. You know, I want

1878
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 1: to see what's in the whole, like I want to

1879
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,560
Speaker 1: get above it and check these tracks out. He's like, no,

1880
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm fine right here, okay, And I said, why don't

1881
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: you put around in your chamber. That's like my number

1882
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: one pet peeve, And my guy talked his rounds in

1883
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: the chamber, so I said, let's put the fourth round ends.

1884
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: He had four rounds, three of the magazine, one of

1885
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: the chamber, and he tried putting one in the chamber.

1886
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: It was one of his reloads from years ago, and

1887
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: it would not chamber and he goes and I was like, oh,

1888
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 1: he goes, you're the last one to use this gun,

1889
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I was using your factory rounds.

1890
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: So he had nine rounds on the side of the stocks.

1891
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 1: So I grabbed a gun from him and put a

1892
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: factory round in it and chambered it. So later on

1893
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,560
Speaker 1: I did not know he had three reloads underneath that

1894
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 1: factory round. So hindsight, I would have took four factory

1895
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 1: rounds and put them in his gun. But that's here there.

1896
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how we got set up there.

1897
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: So then you used to kind of struck off to

1898
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: check the tracks out. Yeah, so yeah, I was like, well,

1899
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go up and around and check out the track, so, um,

1900
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 1: something that I don't do. So this is one thing

1901
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I regret. Um. I said, Okay, I'm gonna put one

1902
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: in the chamber and I'm just gonna walk up in front.

1903
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: So we walk around. So I walked clear to the

1904
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: round way to the side. I mean, it took me

1905
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I got up there and I

1906
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:14,679
Speaker 1: was above it. I don't know how far. I would

1907
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 1: say ten yards probably, And I'm facing actually to my

1908
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: back to me. My dad's at eleven o'clock, my backs

1909
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: facing a way and uh, I was looking at the

1910
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: size of the track and realizing, wow, who just looks

1911
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,600
Speaker 1: like it's a big bear, you know, just starting to comprehend,

1912
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 1: like what we got going on. And that's when he

1913
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: says he's coming out. Pret started yelling at me, so

1914
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: and and you. At this point he starts yelling at

1915
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: you spin around, and yep, he spin around. Yep, my

1916
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: spin around. You gotta remember, my dad's starting six yards

1917
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,800
Speaker 1: from the whole, slightly down, not much, pretty much level.

1918
01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: I spin around, you know, with one in the chamber, obviously,

1919
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 1: with my three seventy five and three in the magazine,

1920
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 1: and and I'm sitting there and it happens to I mean,

1921
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: this bear comes. I mean, I'm the sticker shock of

1922
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: the size of it and how close I was to it,

1923
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 1: and very very fortunate, um that I ain't getting nailed

1924
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: from behind. He honed in on my dad's voice, obviously

1925
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:18,839
Speaker 1: as soon as he pop out, because my dad was screaming,

1926
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:24,040
Speaker 1: Brady's coming out and he and basically when I saw it,

1927
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 1: my Dad lays off around and I was all excited, thinking, Okay, boom,

1928
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna hit him and he's gonna spin and I'm

1929
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: gonna plug him. And fat Bear just looked like he

1930
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,479
Speaker 1: got spin on. So what happened was my dad had

1931
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: him on his head like he shot that bear No.

1932
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: Seven and it went down in a dip, so his

1933
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 1: hunter and a gray bullet shot went over his head

1934
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 1: and hit him square in the back and missed the spine.

1935
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 1: So that thing looked like he got shot with the

1936
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: baby gun never even broke stride. So I'm sitting there

1937
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: trying to get up in a three by nine scope.

1938
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 1: I have it on three power obviously, and I couldn't.

1939
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: And then I'm sitting here. My natural reaction, I'm pretty

1940
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: quick on the you know that gun have been carrying

1941
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: around for ten years. I first thing I do is

1942
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: just natural. I jack around him. But what I do

1943
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 1: is I the live rounds flying out that I'm jacking out,

1944
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 1: and my combination with my dad saying, Brett, he's gonna

1945
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: get me after you already made his first shot. I

1946
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: could even get him in the scope. In hindsight, it's

1947
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 1: kind of a blessing because I would have been shooting

1948
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: at you know, forty five yards ish, maybe even fifty

1949
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:34,639
Speaker 1: in a three. But you know, I could have shot

1950
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: him because he was at eleven o'clock, basically shooting straight

1951
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:41,719
Speaker 1: at him, and my dad couldn't get his second round

1952
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: and got jammed up. That reload was his next round,

1953
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,640
Speaker 1: that third round that was supposed to back up the

1954
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 1: first round of the factory that I put in his

1955
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: gun and he couldn't get the shot off. Yeah, it

1956
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 1: was going straight at him. Happened so quick. We're talking

1957
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds where I just explained to yeah, yeah,

1958
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: do you you know in those seconds, do you um,

1959
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 1: when you replay that in your mind? Um, does it

1960
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 1: seem slower. I'm always interested in in those those moments,

1961
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 1: those moments before and kind of how you recollect them

1962
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: so many years later. Well, it's fast, but obviously four

1963
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:21,759
Speaker 1: years later. You know, it's pretty much in a slow motion,

1964
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: but it's nothing. You know a lot of people probably

1965
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: can relate. They see a big animal and if they

1966
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 1: had gun, you know, guns in their eyes, they would

1967
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:32,559
Speaker 1: kill it. But I mean it happened a couple of sets,

1968
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, two seconds, you know, Um, there was nothing

1969
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I could do about it. Um. Yeah, A couple of

1970
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 1: days later, you know, I kept, you know, kicking myself

1971
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 1: in the butt. Why didn't I get a shot off?

1972
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: Why didn't get shot off? But you know, after those

1973
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 1: couple of days went by, I'm grateful, you know, I

1974
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot off, you know, because my shot

1975
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: would have been basically at impact and that's the three

1976
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: by nine scope, and the bear was basically in between

1977
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: me and him, so it would have been a no

1978
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: good deal. So is he still? Is he at this

1979
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: point still on the snow snow machine? No snow machines

1980
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: were left down below. We had to walk up good ways. Um,

1981
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: and my video you can see at the very end

1982
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: of it how far down those snow machines are. Got it? Um?

1983
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: And so the bear makes impact with your dad, Um,

1984
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,880
Speaker 1: where are you? And then what do you do? I'm

1985
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 1: pretty much stuck in my tracks. Just all I did

1986
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: was spin around one eighty for when he yelled at

1987
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 1: me saying the bear was out, what I do impact happened?

1988
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 1: It looked like a semi truck hitting a fire hygrant.

1989
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, one second, my dad's on his knees there,

1990
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,639
Speaker 1: knelt down, you know, in shooting position, and then he's

1991
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: gone and they're down the mountain. So basically, the bear

1992
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 1: just hit him and basically just grabbed his you know,

1993
01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 1: like a prey, you know, behind the neck. But he

1994
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: just got him by the head and just took them down,

1995
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:04,479
Speaker 1: just like he was a rag doll. So what I

1996
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 1: do was obviously I didn't set my rifle down. It's

1997
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 1: a no no. I was always taught by my daddy,

1998
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 1: have your rifle in your hand and not on your backpack,

1999
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 1: and in your hands. So I threw it to my

2000
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: left hand and started sprinting right off the bat. Within

2001
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: the first couple of strides, Um, I drew my four

2002
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: fifty four casule. I had prior experience with that two

2003
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: years prior, so I had total confidence in that gun.

2004
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: And then I started sprinting. I actually didn't sprint, I

2005
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: started at first. I started sprinting to the point of impact.

2006
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: But then I had to go off sounds, so I

2007
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: started sprinting on an angle towards them and the sound

2008
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: you're here and it is just the bear at that

2009
01:52:46,200 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 1: point is your dad? Yeah? The bear? My dad just uh,

2010
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: full on It's hard to describe. I mean, full on brawl,

2011
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 1: like you know with humans. Just commotion. It's the way

2012
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: to describe it. Not not good sounding commotion too, if

2013
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: I will add, yeah, yeah, I know, it's yeah. I'm

2014
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:08,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out the right questions I ask. I

2015
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 1: know this is probably tough for accounts. So if you

2016
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you need to stop at any point,

2017
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 1: said just don't want to describe that. That's that's totally okay. Man, Um,

2018
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 1: we'll do as as you as you get down in

2019
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,880
Speaker 1: range for the soul to do to do its job.

2020
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 1: What's you know, what position are you in and what

2021
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:31,120
Speaker 1: are you thinking at that point? Okay, Well, I'm in

2022
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,639
Speaker 1: a full on sprint and I had to go down

2023
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 1: the dip. And when I'm going down the dip, I

2024
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: mean it's we're talking. It's eleven o'clock, so borderline, you know,

2025
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 1: snow conditions and very fortunate I never post hold once.

2026
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 1: If I were to post hold, probably been a different result.

2027
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: So my tracks are just on top um. Actually, I

2028
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 1: mean I sunk a little bit, but never to break stride.

2029
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Even the Barris tracks were on top um. I'm spreading

2030
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 1: now and I'm you know, I'm doing my thoughts and uh,

2031
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: you know it's uh. At that point, my adrenaline was,

2032
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, pumping, so I will instinct kicked in and

2033
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 1: it was a weird feeling. You know. I harvested quite

2034
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,519
Speaker 1: a bit of animals in my day so far, and

2035
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 1: that was a different feeling. So I just went straight

2036
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 1: up and I didn't know what I was getting into,

2037
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: but I was just running towards the sound at that point.

2038
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:28,400
Speaker 1: And and you get when you approach the attack, um,

2039
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 1: are you now behind? Are you behind the bear? Are

2040
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 1: you you know what position is the bear and your dad?

2041
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 1: And when you when they're down at me. So I'm

2042
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 1: running straight at them. So I crested over, and I

2043
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 1: thought they were going to be closer. Everything I thought

2044
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 1: was gonna be closer. But I mean, this is a

2045
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:47,120
Speaker 1: matter of a couple of seconds we're talking, but they're

2046
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: down there a ways. So I'm basically sprinting downhill at

2047
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 1: that point. Um, some of the guys that went out

2048
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: there the next day we're describing my tracks as like

2049
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 1: an Olympic athlete, like how far my stride was. But

2050
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: I was just full on sprint. But UM, go down

2051
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: there and you know he's on him. So and then

2052
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:07,560
Speaker 1: they kind of they were way to my right, I

2053
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 1: mean not way to my right, but farther than I

2054
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: thought they were. So I just started and then once

2055
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I got in the sight, and then I felt relieved

2056
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: because then I just had a target to go straight after.

2057
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: So I was just going straight down into it and

2058
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 1: uh fifty four casul So double action Ruger super lasking

2059
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 1: UM Redhawk, and uh I pulled the hammer back because

2060
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: I know it's a light trigger, and I knew I

2061
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: was gonna have to get close and things are gonna

2062
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: happen fast, and uh, I don't know how far, but

2063
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: I hold the gun straight out at me and I

2064
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:43,480
Speaker 1: was yelling. So, I mean, you basically have two objects

2065
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: going at it in a full brawl, and I was

2066
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 1: the third party, and I was making myself known as

2067
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 1: I approached them. Yeah, yeah, when you take aim with

2068
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: the Ruger, UM, what's you know, because at that point,

2069
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: that's the critical moment, right like this life or death.

2070
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:04,880
Speaker 1: When you take aim and you're gonna crack off a shot,

2071
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,200
Speaker 1: it becomes critical for your dad and also critical for

2072
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:08,880
Speaker 1: you because if you don't stop that bear, he may

2073
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: turn and come come for you as well. So what's

2074
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: let's go in through your head at that critical moment, like,

2075
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: how are you assessing assessing where to aim and where

2076
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 1: to where to put that fifty four? Yeah? Well, um,

2077
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: I like like that word you used, aim. So that's

2078
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 1: when I first started to trying to do. I held

2079
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: a gun out and as I'm full on running to

2080
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 1: him yelling t you know, the bear kind of sensed

2081
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 1: me and slowly he didn't back off, but he slid

2082
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 1: down his body from like his head area to like

2083
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: his chest area, and I think my dad was on

2084
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 1: his back. I'm not really sure. I just saw it.

2085
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 1: Did even look like he had a head. It was

2086
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: just a red blob and blood just it's hard to

2087
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,000
Speaker 1: describe how much blood there was at the scene. But

2088
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 1: so I started aiming, and I was like, man, this

2089
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 1: is not good. So I just kept going full you know,

2090
01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: like I just wanted to get human out of my view,

2091
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 1: like basically just the only thing I he is bear.

2092
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: So I got there. I mean, you know, at the

2093
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 1: time it didn't bother me, but later on thinking, wow,

2094
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: that was kind of not stupid, but pretty crazy how

2095
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,560
Speaker 1: close I got to make my first shot. I get

2096
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 1: in there, and uh, I got him in the side

2097
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: of the neck. So I basically had a broad broadside.

2098
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 1: They were both broadside to me. I was running straight

2099
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 1: at him nine inthe angle shot him in the neck.

2100
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 1: Actually retrieved that piece of lead. I got that bullet,

2101
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 1: and then the bear kind of backed off and um,

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01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: and then I got him guy who was down by

2103
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 1: his legs and that's when I smoked, got him in

2104
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: the vitals and um, actually sorry, I got that bullet.

2105
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get the neck bullet. So basically that two

2106
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 1: it took two bullets of me to get him off

2107
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 1: and um basically tackled this bear off of him. But

2108
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 1: I was using lead as a buffer. And then the

2109
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:53,720
Speaker 1: bear spun and I went down and not now at

2110
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 1: the point my dad's kind of behind me. Now he's

2111
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 1: kind of at a five o'clock and I didn't even

2112
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: worry about him at that point. I was just trying

2113
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 1: to kill a bear. And then that's when the bear

2114
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 1: turned on me and dug into the mountain. I'm coming

2115
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 1: down at him. We're basically coming and plan chicken going

2116
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,440
Speaker 1: head on. He did one stride, I leaned back. I

2117
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 1: had my three seventy five, and I remember thinking to myself, well,

2118
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to result to my rifle after, you know,

2119
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: once I'm out. Um. And then my third round and

2120
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,760
Speaker 1: I held it out. I did not hesitate, but at

2121
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:31,600
Speaker 1: that moment I thought, okay, I did think this to myself.

2122
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 1: I said, okay, this is the last shot, like like

2123
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 1: this has to happen because my dad's life depends on

2124
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 1: it and my life depends on it. I was literally

2125
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 1: bracing for impact, made that third shot, and it hit

2126
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:50,680
Speaker 1: him straight in the head. Yea wo um. Yeah. Sometimes

2127
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 1: you say wow and that's that's enough. Did you ever

2128
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 1: do you ever remember, you know, like it literally become

2129
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,440
Speaker 1: going face to face with this bear, looking him in

2130
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: the eye or or reading his demeanor. Did you you

2131
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 1: know this is a this is a big bear. How

2132
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:09,920
Speaker 1: big do you say the bear was? Oh, he was

2133
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 1: probably three eight four. We're in the process of getting

2134
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,360
Speaker 1: a life size form my dad. So yeah, it was.

2135
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 1: It was a slid. It was a big bear. It

2136
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 1: was eight yeah eating that, I mean it was a

2137
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: big bear. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think important part

2138
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 1: of this, you know in the rewind is too. You know,

2139
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: once you put a couple of rounds in this bear

2140
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 1: and then you're facing off plane chicken as you describe

2141
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 1: so like so amazingly described plane chicken with the giant

2142
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:41,080
Speaker 1: boar such as this one. Um, do you remember, you

2143
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: know the way it looked, Yes, it's very specially. Yeah,

2144
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,560
Speaker 1: I can. Yeah, I wish I had a goper all

2145
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: my head, but I mean I can visually that's how

2146
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 1: what I can see basically how to describe it, and

2147
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 1: literally we can see it in my mind. He dug

2148
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: down and I was a little off center when I

2149
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 1: shot him in the head. It was to the right.

2150
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: But um, it was amazing because like it just reared

2151
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 1: back up like like I don't want to say, a

2152
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: puppy dog getting up, you know, and you know, sitting

2153
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,880
Speaker 1: down up on his you know, front legs started going

2154
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 1: up and I plugged him right in the throat, right

2155
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 1: in the neck, center neck that fourth round and then

2156
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 1: he just kind of kind of pulled it backwards, and

2157
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,760
Speaker 1: I kept running towards them, and I was able to

2158
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 1: get a fifth round into him, probably midbutton or something

2159
02:00:27,120 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know, lower back, and the sixth round

2160
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 1: he was I had so much a general and so

2161
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 1: much emotion going on at that point I tried aiming

2162
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: for that sixth shot and he was so far out

2163
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 1: of range I didn't even bother. Yeah, so I yeah,

2164
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:47,680
Speaker 1: to answer your question, yes, I remember it very very

2165
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 1: very well. I imagine it's vivid um And so at

2166
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: the point you so you get to the point where

2167
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 1: you know the bear is dead or at least yes,

2168
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 1: you're you're fairly certain. What oh? I I watched it

2169
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:02,920
Speaker 1: die that third round, killed him right in front of me,

2170
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 1: five and a half feet from claw mark to my

2171
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 1: boot track, and I watched him and had the closest

2172
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,000
Speaker 1: I can't you know, my dad has me be he

2173
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: came in contact with us. You never touched the paris,

2174
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: So at that point, I'm assuming you know that you're

2175
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna your your mind switches to your dad at that point, right, Yes, yep, exactly,

2176
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:27,600
Speaker 1: And so what do you do? Well? I uh, I

2177
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:31,040
Speaker 1: once the bear is done, I you know, released the

2178
02:01:31,080 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 1: hammer and on that sixth round, I put it back

2179
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: in my whole thing. I turned around, and to be honest,

2180
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: I thought my dad was gonna be about I don't

2181
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 1: know ten ft behind me, you know, but he was

2182
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,360
Speaker 1: probably fifty you know, that's how much adrenaline. And I

2183
02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: had no clue where I was on the side of

2184
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 1: the mountain this, you know, just things change. So I

2185
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: ran up to him, and to be honest with you,

2186
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:54,320
Speaker 1: I thought I might get a couple of seconds. If not,

2187
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,120
Speaker 1: he's already dead because he wasn't moving when I got

2188
02:01:57,240 --> 02:02:00,120
Speaker 1: up there. And then you just started moving around, are

2189
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,800
Speaker 1: talking like normal? Kind of I was in sticker shock.

2190
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:07,640
Speaker 1: And then I jumped into what North American rest you

2191
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:10,280
Speaker 1: kind of described in their post on Instagram and started

2192
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 1: going into my medical assessment right away, and then we

2193
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:17,520
Speaker 1: started talking about the situation. Yeah, I think is the

2194
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 1: question I have, And like I said, feel free to

2195
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 1: go as much in depth as you want to hear

2196
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 1: or as comfortable. The question I have is is And

2197
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:27,800
Speaker 1: I listened to you describe the story. I mean to me,

2198
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,680
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this sounds heroic. What you

2199
02:02:30,760 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 1: did sounds even though a lot of it was instinctual.

2200
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of people when tested may

2201
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:39,480
Speaker 1: not have been as aggressive as you were. Um, it

2202
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 1: may not have immediately gone into this assessment. Can you

2203
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of walk that back and explain to Peovil why

2204
02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:47,720
Speaker 1: you think you react in the way you did on

2205
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 1: both counts. Well, I know there was absolutely zero hesitation

2206
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: what I did. I would probably you know, that would

2207
02:02:57,560 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 1: probably be too because two years ago I had an

2208
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:03,520
Speaker 1: instance that gun and obviously it's my dad, and I

2209
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:05,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't really describe it was. I was

2210
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:09,520
Speaker 1: in the moment, and I had the confidence, and I

2211
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 1: had one mission on my mind was to get that

2212
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:15,320
Speaker 1: bear and kill him. So get him off of him

2213
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 1: and kill him, because I should have did it, you know,

2214
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: I should. I wish I would, you know, at that point,

2215
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:21,360
Speaker 1: I kept thinking, oh I didn't get a shot off.

2216
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: It's you know, I know it's not my fault, but

2217
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's what I was thinking at the time,

2218
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 1: So I would, you know, that's probably the reason why

2219
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,800
Speaker 1: I did that. So I just went straight after him

2220
02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:36,080
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I know it's my dad. Had no

2221
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:38,960
Speaker 1: clue that I shot, you know, later on talking to him,

2222
02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't even hear your shots. You know, well,

2223
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I shot five times, I shot, I shoid, I shot

2224
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,040
Speaker 1: twice right over top of you, and shot him three

2225
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:49,440
Speaker 1: more times, killed him on the third round, shot him

2226
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 1: two more times. Just keep putting lead in him. So yeah,

2227
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 1: with your dad when you're you're doing your assessment. As

2228
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:01,480
Speaker 1: if folks have seen the video and the photos, it's

2229
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,080
Speaker 1: it is. It's grewesome. I mean, there's no way around it,

2230
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 1: in no way to sure your coat. It's it's something

2231
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: that grewesome, most grewesome footage that I've ever seen. Um,

2232
02:04:10,120 --> 02:04:13,040
Speaker 1: because you have your training, did you kind of mentally

2233
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 1: skip over that and you had to? I know you did, um,

2234
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: but but how are you kind of dealing with all

2235
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 1: the inputs at this It's I'm sure what seemed like

2236
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:25,960
Speaker 1: a pretty crazy time. Yeah, I don't know. I mean

2237
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:31,160
Speaker 1: I was hyperventilating listening the video and you know, he's

2238
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,520
Speaker 1: obviously he's the one that's calming me down. And my

2239
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:37,960
Speaker 1: first instance was keep him alive, you know, and check

2240
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:42,880
Speaker 1: them out. So once I realized, hey, he's gonna be fine, um,

2241
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: then I started going into a mode like I need

2242
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 1: to get you out of here. But one thing, you know,

2243
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:54,000
Speaker 1: hindsight one thing I did not have and which I

2244
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:58,240
Speaker 1: carry now days is an in reach And I was

2245
02:04:58,280 --> 02:05:01,360
Speaker 1: out of cell phone service area at that point, and

2246
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:04,480
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I wish I had. It would

2247
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,560
Speaker 1: have saved two and a half hours on time to

2248
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: cut his time off getting to the hospital. Yeah, yeah,

2249
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 1: an en reach. I I discovered that about three or

2250
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:16,760
Speaker 1: four years ago that the end reach um is essential

2251
02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 1: out there. And yes, for sure it's worth it. It's

2252
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:23,200
Speaker 1: worth a monthly charge or whatever whatever garment it's charging,

2253
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:25,560
Speaker 1: and it just it just is to stay in contact

2254
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 1: with your loved ones and for s S O S

2255
02:05:28,240 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 1: situations like this one. So so you've at the point

2256
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 1: that you've done the assessment, you know there's no bleeding,

2257
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 1: there's no significant bleeding from the injury. Um. Was was

2258
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:42,840
Speaker 1: his airway compromised in any way? Like? Was that a

2259
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 1: critical part of this for you? No? Actually, naturally, just

2260
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,360
Speaker 1: coming up to him, he was fine. I mean. The

2261
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 1: only thing that compromises airway it was probably me trying

2262
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,160
Speaker 1: to grab his face and slap it back on him,

2263
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:55,320
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like cut around. I wasn't the

2264
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:56,760
Speaker 1: didn't slap it back on him, but I put him

2265
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: back on him. That's the only way that he was

2266
02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 1: choking and it was not good. So when I took

2267
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: about a minute to clear him up and realized, you know, hey,

2268
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:09,320
Speaker 1: we need to leave this face hang um yeah, and

2269
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 1: then yeah, so catch him and then he said. It

2270
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 1: said in the North American Rescue Post that the best

2271
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 1: course of action at the time was to let your

2272
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:22,520
Speaker 1: father find a comfortab position um for for a twenty

2273
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,560
Speaker 1: five mile snow machine evacuation um to a location where

2274
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 1: you could get a hold of emergency services. Um how

2275
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:33,480
Speaker 1: quickly from doing the assessment and kind of figuring out

2276
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,200
Speaker 1: the situation where you guys on the snow machine and

2277
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:40,720
Speaker 1: back to so we got an hour to deal with

2278
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,280
Speaker 1: all you just mentioned. So impact was at eleven. Yeah,

2279
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,600
Speaker 1: I actually took that picture that went viral four years

2280
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:51,640
Speaker 1: ago at noon. So basically from impact was at eleven,

2281
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:54,520
Speaker 1: we started moving towards help at noon, So there's an

2282
02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,560
Speaker 1: hour in between. First fifteen minutes was me assessing it

2283
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: and then and then I was like, Okay, I'm going

2284
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:06,920
Speaker 1: to run back down and grab my snow machine, which

2285
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:08,640
Speaker 1: was a five fifty and I knew I could make

2286
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 1: it up there and I'm gonna grab you so I

2287
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:15,320
Speaker 1: ran down the mountain, jumped on my machine, I high

2288
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 1: marked way above him, and I came down, facing down

2289
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 1: at him, right next to him, and I could not stop.

2290
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:22,960
Speaker 1: So I yelled at him saying, hey, I'm gonna have

2291
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:26,320
Speaker 1: to go back around. So then my second attempt, I

2292
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:29,280
Speaker 1: went right next to him and I stopped facing uphill

2293
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:31,960
Speaker 1: and I put the parking break on, and then that's

2294
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:34,720
Speaker 1: when I tried to do his tie, his face, and

2295
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,680
Speaker 1: then after that you got cleared with choking. And then

2296
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:40,960
Speaker 1: he's the one he asked me, hey, take a picture

2297
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 1: of me. So that's how that all started. And that's

2298
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,800
Speaker 1: why I think that was a huge question for a

2299
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:48,000
Speaker 1: lot of people that that reached out to me, and

2300
02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure reached out to you. Is questioning, sometimes in

2301
02:07:51,400 --> 02:07:54,560
Speaker 1: a fashion I thought was inappropriate, but questioning why would

2302
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:56,680
Speaker 1: you do that? You know, why would you take that video?

2303
02:07:56,720 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 1: Why would you? How could you? Why would you? So

2304
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:01,640
Speaker 1: I you know, that's a it's good to hear you

2305
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:03,040
Speaker 1: say that, but can you kind of get a little

2306
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 1: more detail into into what was going on? Then yeah,

2307
02:08:06,280 --> 02:08:08,120
Speaker 1: for sure, No, I mean to be honest with you,

2308
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,920
Speaker 1: that Richard Pitcher has taken for two reasons one, he

2309
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,320
Speaker 1: asked me, So I took it. And right after I

2310
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:18,640
Speaker 1: took that initial photo, I thought to myself, well, if something,

2311
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:20,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make it out of here, you know,

2312
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 1: how would I explain this to my mom? So then

2313
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:26,280
Speaker 1: I flipped it over to video on my iPhone and

2314
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:30,640
Speaker 1: I said, start talking, and he talked, and it's actually

2315
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:35,320
Speaker 1: fifty six seconds long, almost a minute, and he just

2316
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:39,080
Speaker 1: kind of explained a little bit what happened, and yeah,

2317
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 1: that's how that went down. And I stopped record and

2318
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: we got to get out of here, and you know,

2319
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:49,200
Speaker 1: and uh, I started getting him up because at that

2320
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:51,840
Speaker 1: point he's been in the same position for almost twenty minutes,

2321
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:55,520
Speaker 1: and I actually, in the process of trying to help

2322
02:08:56,040 --> 02:09:00,560
Speaker 1: get him to his feet, I stepped backwards and I'm like,

2323
02:09:00,680 --> 02:09:03,360
Speaker 1: what the heck is that? I actually said that out loud.

2324
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 1: He goes, that's my ear. Obviously he was looking at

2325
02:09:06,120 --> 02:09:07,880
Speaker 1: it prior, probably when I was going down to get

2326
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 1: the snow machine, because it was the top half of

2327
02:09:10,240 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 1: his right here is what I stepped on. Did you

2328
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:16,760
Speaker 1: retrieve it? Yes, I did. I didn't know what I

2329
02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 1: just threw it in my car heart pocket, um wrapped

2330
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:21,240
Speaker 1: it up in a paper towel, like a half paper towel,

2331
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 1: and threw in my car heart pocket. I wish I

2332
02:09:23,560 --> 02:09:25,440
Speaker 1: would have put it on snow, but later found out

2333
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:28,200
Speaker 1: not much you can do with a year five and

2334
02:09:28,200 --> 02:09:31,360
Speaker 1: a half hours later. So yeah, yeah, but a lot

2335
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 1: of new little new learnings here, I'm sure. Yeah, that's amazing, amazing. Um,

2336
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 1: So you you get him on the snowmobile. Is he

2337
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:41,640
Speaker 1: is he sitting in front of you? Is he hanging

2338
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:45,960
Speaker 1: on too from behind? Like? What's the position for ride? Yeah?

2339
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 1: I put him on the snow machine. We're facing up

2340
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: hill and he actually didn't even get on it, and honestly,

2341
02:09:50,440 --> 02:09:51,840
Speaker 1: do you just kind of leaned against the seat and

2342
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:53,520
Speaker 1: he goes the nope, and that's not gonna work. And

2343
02:09:53,600 --> 02:09:57,720
Speaker 1: I go, okay, So I said, let's walk down. I said,

2344
02:09:57,800 --> 02:09:59,760
Speaker 1: the slide on your butt and he goes, I ain't sliding.

2345
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: So I literally this is what took so long. Um.

2346
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:07,800
Speaker 1: I walked him down kind of as a crutch. Um.

2347
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 1: I think I was on the low side. So I

2348
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:11,720
Speaker 1: kept him up the mountain. I basically was like a

2349
02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:15,000
Speaker 1: walking stick to him and walked him all the way

2350
02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:20,120
Speaker 1: back down to the other machine. And uh, I had

2351
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:21,600
Speaker 1: a run. Then I was like, hey, I gotta go

2352
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:23,280
Speaker 1: back up because there's no way I was gonna take

2353
02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 1: him out on the smaller machine. So for I sprint

2354
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:29,640
Speaker 1: it back up the mountain again and got the machine

2355
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:33,280
Speaker 1: and got slid it around and went straight down at

2356
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,760
Speaker 1: him and then got down there Adam, So he actually

2357
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:38,840
Speaker 1: didn't had to walk him off the mountain. We didn't

2358
02:10:38,840 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: snow machine off, catcha catcha and and during you know,

2359
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,880
Speaker 1: when you guys are walking down, is he in in

2360
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 1: audio like audible or visible pain? Is is he comfortable

2361
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:56,080
Speaker 1: at that moment? That's a dumb question. I'm sorry, but

2362
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,160
Speaker 1: what level of comfort? He's fine. But the only thing

2363
02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:02,360
Speaker 1: that he complain, like a couple of times, or I

2364
02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 1: can tell it, was his wrists. Um was his I

2365
02:11:06,360 --> 02:11:09,960
Speaker 1: think it was his right wrist that was bent and

2366
02:11:10,200 --> 02:11:12,760
Speaker 1: that's the one that got chopped really good, and he

2367
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 1: was complaining about that obviously, so it was shattered and

2368
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:18,920
Speaker 1: broken and whatnot, but um, nothing like that. I got

2369
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:20,840
Speaker 1: him down there and made sure he stable and got

2370
02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:23,240
Speaker 1: him some water, and then that's when I did my

2371
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 1: sprint back up or a jog or whatever, and I

2372
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: don't remember, but I was moving got the machine, got

2373
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 1: down there and I started to get him on there

2374
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:34,640
Speaker 1: and I ripped off the gas can off the other

2375
02:11:34,760 --> 02:11:38,160
Speaker 1: one was topping off my machines was a five fifty.

2376
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:41,600
Speaker 1: They sucked gas and trying to get him to go,

2377
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:44,000
Speaker 1: and he was like, get all my stuff off of

2378
02:11:44,120 --> 02:11:45,839
Speaker 1: the other one. I was like what, So I untied

2379
02:11:45,880 --> 02:11:49,200
Speaker 1: his backpack is a little sack and getting all his

2380
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:51,800
Speaker 1: belongings off the other machine, which I thought was kind

2381
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,200
Speaker 1: of ridiculous, but he was thinking ahead in case we

2382
02:11:54,280 --> 02:11:59,240
Speaker 1: get stuck out there, and got him loaded up and

2383
02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,200
Speaker 1: in the backtrack a little bit I left out before

2384
02:12:04,240 --> 02:12:06,200
Speaker 1: I loaded him on the snowshoet, actually before I started

2385
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:08,920
Speaker 1: walking them down, because I want to take a picture

2386
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: pictures with the bear, was what he told me. So

2387
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:14,440
Speaker 1: the whole time I'm trying to get him out of here,

2388
02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:18,920
Speaker 1: he's wanting pictures with the bear. So yeah, so that's

2389
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 1: where that that famous photo came from. Yes, and that

2390
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,560
Speaker 1: famous photo. And it's not like I went out of

2391
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 1: my way. The bear slid down the single machine went

2392
02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,280
Speaker 1: right by the machine barely. I mean probably hit it,

2393
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just came close to it and

2394
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:34,560
Speaker 1: slid and it was literally right in the way, right

2395
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:36,600
Speaker 1: in our tracks on the way out. So I knew

2396
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:38,360
Speaker 1: we were going to go buy it, so I promised

2397
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:42,000
Speaker 1: him at least a picture. Yeah, that's strangely enough, you know,

2398
02:12:42,080 --> 02:12:46,960
Speaker 1: I think that after people process the initial shock of

2399
02:12:47,200 --> 02:12:49,640
Speaker 1: of what they're looking at, then they start to like

2400
02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:53,000
Speaker 1: reasonably and I think reasonably, so question how did this

2401
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 1: come to be? You know, how did these pictures and

2402
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:57,360
Speaker 1: videos come to be? So I think as part of

2403
02:12:58,080 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: as part of the process of telling the story and

2404
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:01,360
Speaker 1: get the right I think that's a huge part of it.

2405
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:02,960
Speaker 1: And it's good to hear that you're you know that

2406
02:13:03,640 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 1: at that point your dad was cogent enough to kind

2407
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 1: of you know, and I think you seem like you

2408
02:13:08,600 --> 02:13:11,160
Speaker 1: were to you, you know, neither of you seem particularly

2409
02:13:11,240 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 1: frantic at that moment. No, no, not at all. But yeah. No,

2410
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:18,680
Speaker 1: Then we started going and I had him on the

2411
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:20,680
Speaker 1: back of the snow machine. So we pulled up to

2412
02:13:20,760 --> 02:13:22,520
Speaker 1: the bear and we both looked at the bear. So

2413
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 1: he go he even said, well that's a big bear,

2414
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:27,200
Speaker 1: and I go, yeah, and then he started to get

2415
02:13:27,240 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 1: off the machine. I jumped off and he started to

2416
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:31,160
Speaker 1: get off. I said, no, no, no, stay on the

2417
02:13:31,240 --> 02:13:34,400
Speaker 1: machine already got you on there, and I literally jumped

2418
02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:37,000
Speaker 1: over its head, stepped over its neck, took like two

2419
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 1: or three photos. Everybody's seen the photo of it, and

2420
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:43,440
Speaker 1: then I took another detail. I think all my I

2421
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:46,320
Speaker 1: posted all those pretty much. Uh, the shot, the first

2422
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 1: shot in the neck you can see that, and the

2423
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:51,080
Speaker 1: third shot in the head where it bled out. Um.

2424
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,880
Speaker 1: And then I stepped back on the machine and he

2425
02:13:54,040 --> 02:13:57,360
Speaker 1: was behind me, and we started going down to send

2426
02:13:57,400 --> 02:13:59,880
Speaker 1: it down into the bottom of the valley, and he

2427
02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:02,360
Speaker 1: kept hitting me in the back saying I was going

2428
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:06,120
Speaker 1: too fast, and he told me to actually stop. We

2429
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:08,280
Speaker 1: stopped down the bottom. He said turn the machine off.

2430
02:14:08,360 --> 02:14:09,880
Speaker 1: So we turned the machine off and had a little

2431
02:14:09,880 --> 02:14:13,440
Speaker 1: power I'll talk. So wow. It's it's nice to hear

2432
02:14:13,480 --> 02:14:15,720
Speaker 1: he's still being fatherly in the midst of something like this.

2433
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:19,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah, did you during that journey, did you ever

2434
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:22,640
Speaker 1: have any I mean, at this point he can see obviously,

2435
02:14:23,400 --> 02:14:27,000
Speaker 1: um he can hear you as you explained, there's never

2436
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:30,400
Speaker 1: any other point where you thought, um man, maybe I

2437
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:33,000
Speaker 1: I didn't assess this right. I mean, it's it just

2438
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys were pretty pragmatic. Yeah, we're pretty yeah,

2439
02:14:37,240 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 1: pretty good about it. Um, he only had one basically

2440
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:43,320
Speaker 1: hand that was his left So then I quickly said,

2441
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:45,440
Speaker 1: this ain't working. We gotta figure something out. I said,

2442
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:48,400
Speaker 1: slide forward, So I pushed him all the way forward.

2443
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:52,280
Speaker 1: I jammed his feet underneath, put things in the front

2444
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:54,640
Speaker 1: of the machine, and I had a little rubber high

2445
02:14:54,720 --> 02:14:57,760
Speaker 1: marker bars what I call and I said, put your

2446
02:14:57,800 --> 02:15:00,480
Speaker 1: hand on this and hang on. I says, if you

2447
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:04,720
Speaker 1: feel woozy or whatever, lift your hand up. So then

2448
02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I had two guns trapped on me. So I had

2449
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:10,000
Speaker 1: my feet pretty much flat on the running boards behind

2450
02:15:10,080 --> 02:15:11,960
Speaker 1: his feet, but some of my heels were kind of

2451
02:15:12,000 --> 02:15:14,560
Speaker 1: sticking up on the end of the gun tips. And

2452
02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:18,800
Speaker 1: like I emphasized at all this, you know, carry aside arm.

2453
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:20,680
Speaker 1: This is why he's still alive. This is why I'm

2454
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 1: still alive. But another thing was I had a gold

2455
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:26,760
Speaker 1: finger left handed throttle on that snow machine, which is

2456
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:28,840
Speaker 1: connected to my other thought on the right side, so

2457
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:32,920
Speaker 1: basically had dual throttles, which played a big factor of

2458
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:35,920
Speaker 1: getting out of there later for the rest of the

2459
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:38,640
Speaker 1: twenty four miles, so we had to ride. So you guys,

2460
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:41,440
Speaker 1: you guys make it the twenty four miles. How long

2461
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: did it take you to do that? Left at noon,

2462
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:47,720
Speaker 1: got to help at one thirties. Took me an hour

2463
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:51,720
Speaker 1: and a half mile. Ye, and what do you as

2464
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:53,720
Speaker 1: you're as you're doing that hour and a half journey,

2465
02:15:54,040 --> 02:15:57,160
Speaker 1: what are you assessing in terms of other factors? Like

2466
02:15:57,280 --> 02:15:59,200
Speaker 1: you already mentioned that, what if you get stuck out there?

2467
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:01,240
Speaker 1: What if you run out of gas? What if if?

2468
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:04,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm exactly, I'm thinking this all in my head.

2469
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm going, I said, I'm going back out the way

2470
02:16:06,080 --> 02:16:08,000
Speaker 1: I came. I knew there was another way to get out,

2471
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:10,600
Speaker 1: but I got a track, so I started going out

2472
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:14,280
Speaker 1: um and I was basically bouncing them around like a

2473
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: little kid. So I had him in between my arms.

2474
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:19,800
Speaker 1: I had control of him at that point and control

2475
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:23,440
Speaker 1: of the machine. I was able to not go fifteen

2476
02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:25,680
Speaker 1: miles an hour like he wanted me to ten miles

2477
02:16:25,680 --> 02:16:27,240
Speaker 1: an hour. On the back, I was able to go

2478
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:31,240
Speaker 1: forty five, you know, fifty at times, and just you know,

2479
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:34,879
Speaker 1: basically sending it and just bounce him around. I told

2480
02:16:34,959 --> 02:16:36,440
Speaker 1: him lift his hand up, and you know, every now

2481
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:38,440
Speaker 1: and then I would slow down and yell at him, hey,

2482
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:40,520
Speaker 1: you just get him to kind of say something so

2483
02:16:40,560 --> 02:16:44,000
Speaker 1: he didn't fall asleep on me or anything. And like,

2484
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:47,000
Speaker 1: one thing, here's just kind of how crazy. But one

2485
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:48,880
Speaker 1: thing that was going through my mind. He lost a

2486
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:51,640
Speaker 1: hat on the way in and just you know, a

2487
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:55,160
Speaker 1: little goofy little winter hat, and it was about ten

2488
02:16:55,240 --> 02:16:58,000
Speaker 1: feet off the trail. We're about three quarters of the

2489
02:16:58,040 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 1: way out, and I see it, you know, at this point,

2490
02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:02,960
Speaker 1: and I think he's not an offer, just you know,

2491
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 1: he's just there for the ride. And then this is

2492
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:07,760
Speaker 1: the one mistake I did. I kind of dipped the

2493
02:17:07,800 --> 02:17:09,760
Speaker 1: machine a little bit trying to get his hat. So

2494
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:11,879
Speaker 1: I slowed down and got off the trail a little

2495
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:13,200
Speaker 1: bit and it dipped and it was like on a

2496
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:16,760
Speaker 1: forty degree angle, and he was yelling at me, what

2497
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:19,800
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I came to a point I

2498
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,040
Speaker 1: was struggling trying to get that machine back over, and

2499
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:24,160
Speaker 1: I came to a point almost asked him to get off,

2500
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:26,640
Speaker 1: but I was able to get him kind of flatten

2501
02:17:26,760 --> 02:17:29,360
Speaker 1: without him getting off, and I grabbed his hat and

2502
02:17:29,440 --> 02:17:30,800
Speaker 1: I just kind of set it on top of his

2503
02:17:30,879 --> 02:17:32,680
Speaker 1: head and rip pulled it down real quick. I said,

2504
02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:38,280
Speaker 1: I got your hat. That kind of he was kind

2505
02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 1: of upset at the time, but I think he's glad

2506
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:44,200
Speaker 1: that I got it later on. Yeah, and that time

2507
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:47,200
Speaker 1: we're talking, you know, I was getting off, but I

2508
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:51,160
Speaker 1: was able to keep going and UM, yeah I got

2509
02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:55,160
Speaker 1: him back there. Well, UM, you know, when in an

2510
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:57,520
Speaker 1: effort to kind of get to the point where you

2511
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:01,640
Speaker 1: can explain, you know, how what you believe about what

2512
02:18:01,800 --> 02:18:04,039
Speaker 1: saved lives, save your life and your dad's life here

2513
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:07,800
Speaker 1: and what you want people to know. Um, when you

2514
02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:11,240
Speaker 1: get out there and and you're able to what's the

2515
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 1: first contact with emergency services and how did that go? Yeah,

2516
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:18,000
Speaker 1: we're able to get to where we're staying and uh,

2517
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:22,000
Speaker 1: I come in and I bust through their door and says,

2518
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 1: my let somebody needs a call and my dad got

2519
02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 1: attacked by a bear, and um, there was plenty of

2520
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:32,000
Speaker 1: people there, so they're helping him out. And we were

2521
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:34,440
Speaker 1: able to get a call out to the troopers in

2522
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:39,080
Speaker 1: Life met And this was at one thirty and I'm

2523
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:40,760
Speaker 1: trying to think. I think he got to the hospital

2524
02:18:40,920 --> 02:18:42,720
Speaker 1: four thirty. So they got there an hour and a

2525
02:18:42,760 --> 02:18:48,080
Speaker 1: half later, and UH took him to Matt's who there

2526
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:51,240
Speaker 1: and in between Palmer and Wasilla and you got to

2527
02:18:51,320 --> 02:18:55,600
Speaker 1: the hospital five and a half hours later. Do you remember,

2528
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, the people at the place you were staying,

2529
02:18:57,800 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 1: like their reaction at first seeing him. Yeah, it was there. Yeah, No,

2530
02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:06,440
Speaker 1: it was stickershocked. There was one gentleman. Actually, he was

2531
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:09,200
Speaker 1: in the photo of my dad the night before, which

2532
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:11,560
Speaker 1: is actually the last close up picture of my dad.

2533
02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:14,080
Speaker 1: He was pretty calm and was talking to him the

2534
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:16,880
Speaker 1: whole time, you know, before my life med got there,

2535
02:19:16,959 --> 02:19:19,560
Speaker 1: and even the medics I think my dad all met

2536
02:19:19,600 --> 02:19:23,400
Speaker 1: with him afterwards in the last few years. Um, you know,

2537
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:25,840
Speaker 1: they have all that training, but no one can There's

2538
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 1: no training in the world I can prepare you for that,

2539
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,760
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't want to quote anybody or

2540
02:19:30,879 --> 02:19:32,680
Speaker 1: quote my dad, but you know, one of the medics

2541
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of got up there and I was like, oh man,

2542
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:36,680
Speaker 1: my dad said it's okay, son, I'm all right, or

2543
02:19:36,720 --> 02:19:39,560
Speaker 1: something like that. So, but yeah, So he was talking

2544
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:42,920
Speaker 1: to the medics the whole time, and they wanted to

2545
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:45,200
Speaker 1: him to take off his shirt, and my dad says, well,

2546
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:48,039
Speaker 1: who's gonna keep you guys alive if we crashed somewhere,

2547
02:19:48,120 --> 02:19:49,880
Speaker 1: you know. So he was he had a head on

2548
02:19:49,959 --> 02:19:54,879
Speaker 1: his shoulders and stuff, like that. So yeah, it's it's amazing,

2549
02:19:55,200 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: um talk about his his recovery. Um, you know, the

2550
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:03,960
Speaker 1: most amazing part of this, the thing that is flabber

2551
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:06,280
Speaker 1: guessing to me, is that through all this time, you

2552
02:20:06,320 --> 02:20:10,560
Speaker 1: guys were able to, you know, take each problem and

2553
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,040
Speaker 1: solve it and get to the next thing and the

2554
02:20:12,120 --> 02:20:13,920
Speaker 1: next thing and the next thing. But at some point

2555
02:20:14,040 --> 02:20:15,640
Speaker 1: it was out of your control when in the hands

2556
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:20,440
Speaker 1: of um, medical professionals. And at that point, what what

2557
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:22,680
Speaker 1: did they have to do? And then I'm sure it

2558
02:20:22,760 --> 02:20:26,200
Speaker 1: was a long long recover. Yeah, if I had a guess, yeah,

2559
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean they bandaged him pretty good. I got in

2560
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:31,600
Speaker 1: the hospital. I think he went into surgery that night

2561
02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:35,880
Speaker 1: and I got there like an hour after and he

2562
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,040
Speaker 1: was all, you know, tubes and all that stuff. But

2563
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:41,360
Speaker 1: he got in there and he was able to get out.

2564
02:20:41,480 --> 02:20:43,960
Speaker 1: I think six days after earning the hospital, I got

2565
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:47,800
Speaker 1: him out of the hospital. So yeah, very fortunate. Um.

2566
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:52,240
Speaker 1: And then he had his both arms cast up and uh,

2567
02:20:52,640 --> 02:20:54,840
Speaker 1: I think he got some pins in his both hands,

2568
02:20:54,920 --> 02:20:57,360
Speaker 1: his finger and his wrist. I think I posted those

2569
02:20:57,480 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 1: on the second post on my Instagram him very fortunate. Um. Yeah, yeah,

2570
02:21:03,959 --> 02:21:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he has you know he has one eye,

2571
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, but the other eye still in there, and

2572
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:13,800
Speaker 1: um and uh yeah, no, it just says the rest

2573
02:21:13,879 --> 02:21:16,200
Speaker 1: is a little bent. You know. He likes to say

2574
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 1: you can reach around corners and stuff now with that hand.

2575
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:21,200
Speaker 1: So it sounds like he's got the right perspective and

2576
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 1: that he had the right perspective throughout that. How many

2577
02:21:25,640 --> 02:21:28,440
Speaker 1: surgeries on his face were there and you know, just

2578
02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:32,000
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, just the one initial one

2579
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:35,280
Speaker 1: that night. Um, he had a few. I don't know

2580
02:21:35,400 --> 02:21:38,000
Speaker 1: how many. He would probably be telling that more and

2581
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:41,360
Speaker 1: when he starts sharing his story, but you know, I

2582
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 1: know he had a few eye surgeries, you know, um

2583
02:21:44,959 --> 02:21:48,240
Speaker 1: on his good eye, you know, just cosmetic stuff. And

2584
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:52,040
Speaker 1: then I know he had an ear surgery um like

2585
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:54,400
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago maybe, so for like

2586
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:56,120
Speaker 1: three and a half years he couldn't hear out of

2587
02:21:56,840 --> 02:22:00,160
Speaker 1: the bad ear um because the ear canal wasn't end

2588
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 1: up and sergeant said that they need to wait or

2589
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:06,920
Speaker 1: something for the scar tissue. So yeah, he was kind

2590
02:22:06,959 --> 02:22:09,280
Speaker 1: of happy, like, you know, out of surgery. A few

2591
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:13,080
Speaker 1: days later after that year surgery, he's the first time

2592
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:14,760
Speaker 1: you can hear himself p out of that year. So

2593
02:22:14,959 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 1: now he's happy. I don't want both. Your dad sounds

2594
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:21,160
Speaker 1: like a guy like a lot. He sounds like he's good.

2595
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:23,240
Speaker 1: He's got the right sense to hear about the whole

2596
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:29,039
Speaker 1: limb thing. Um, wouldn't you look back on it all? Um?

2597
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:32,800
Speaker 1: And again, I'm glad after having so many people send

2598
02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:35,800
Speaker 1: me those photos and have so many people talking about this.

2599
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, I'm that's just my life in my perspective.

2600
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:41,600
Speaker 1: I can't imagine from from her end, you know, being

2601
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:43,720
Speaker 1: able to tell the story now and get these things

2602
02:22:43,800 --> 02:22:47,160
Speaker 1: out there that so many people just didn't care about

2603
02:22:47,320 --> 02:22:50,240
Speaker 1: or didn't care to try to learn. Um, is there

2604
02:22:50,280 --> 02:22:53,520
Speaker 1: anything else about the attack itself, your emotions or anything

2605
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:55,720
Speaker 1: you want people to know? Something that you take away

2606
02:22:55,760 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 1: from this, Well, take away from it. The main thing

2607
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:02,520
Speaker 1: I you know that I would tell people to take

2608
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:07,560
Speaker 1: away from this is a side arm. Basically, aren't a

2609
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:09,600
Speaker 1: gun or a handgun, doesn't have to be a hanging,

2610
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:14,480
Speaker 1: but just anything that's attached to your body firearm wise,

2611
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:19,080
Speaker 1: that's that you can access. In this instance, I know

2612
02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:22,480
Speaker 1: saved his life and obviously probably saved mine because I

2613
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:25,520
Speaker 1: was getting ready to get impacted. But that's the one

2614
02:23:25,560 --> 02:23:28,080
Speaker 1: thing I say, carry a side arm. I was told

2615
02:23:28,120 --> 02:23:31,200
Speaker 1: a story back in two thousand twelve, UM, kind of

2616
02:23:31,240 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 1: similar situation. The guy survived, but it was a second

2617
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:36,720
Speaker 1: hand story. But the guy he was I asked, that

2618
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:38,440
Speaker 1: was my question. I was like, I kind of you know,

2619
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:40,720
Speaker 1: not laughed at him, but chuckled, said why are you

2620
02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:43,119
Speaker 1: carrying that forty four air light? You know, go hung

2621
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:45,720
Speaker 1: And then he explained that and opened up the whole

2622
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:49,640
Speaker 1: new eyes. Six months later, I got my handgun and

2623
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:55,040
Speaker 1: diamond d holster on my rug and UM started carrying

2624
02:23:55,080 --> 02:23:57,240
Speaker 1: it and had an instance with the bear and the

2625
02:23:57,320 --> 02:24:01,800
Speaker 1: alders and dispatched it at twelve feet. And both my

2626
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:05,320
Speaker 1: hunter and I two years prior to my dad's attack,

2627
02:24:05,360 --> 02:24:07,840
Speaker 1: were very halful. I had that, thankful that I had that,

2628
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 1: and I was carrying it during my dad's attacked. And

2629
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:13,400
Speaker 1: that's the reason why UM and he's still alive in

2630
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:16,840
Speaker 1: this situation. Every situation is different, but this bear was

2631
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:20,760
Speaker 1: killing him and that's what stopped him. Was that rugory handgun. Yeah, yeah,

2632
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:23,800
Speaker 1: there's no better there's no better illustration that idea. We

2633
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:25,760
Speaker 1: do have a lot of discussions here about bear spray

2634
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:29,920
Speaker 1: versus versus pistol. My philosophy has always been both why

2635
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:33,680
Speaker 1: not both? Um, you know are company we were with

2636
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:37,959
Speaker 1: lot here f h F has a a body mount.

2637
02:24:38,040 --> 02:24:40,480
Speaker 1: It's like it goes on the bottom of your buy

2638
02:24:40,520 --> 02:24:43,200
Speaker 1: no harness. So that's one option. But you know, for you,

2639
02:24:43,879 --> 02:24:46,440
Speaker 1: I think I wonder if you would agree that you

2640
02:24:46,600 --> 02:24:50,080
Speaker 1: have to kind of be aware and familiar with your

2641
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:52,600
Speaker 1: own set up, what holster you're using, you know what,

2642
02:24:53,040 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 1: what caliber, what bullet, where you're gonna holster, how you're

2643
02:24:56,920 --> 02:24:59,680
Speaker 1: gonna draw, and those things I'm sure that you did

2644
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 1: are the instinctual things that you didn't have to worry

2645
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:05,880
Speaker 1: about fumbling around with when you were sprinting down you know,

2646
02:25:05,959 --> 02:25:08,400
Speaker 1: at probably a crazy speed, even to yourself, to go

2647
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:12,680
Speaker 1: save your dad. Yes, exactly, UM, yeah, no, I just

2648
02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm still caring the same ammunition, Buffalo bore three sixty

2649
02:25:17,440 --> 02:25:22,080
Speaker 1: grain hardcast, because I watched it first hand. It works. Um.

2650
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't recommend any kind of caliber, but I think

2651
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:29,280
Speaker 1: anything that close will help. Um. The main thing is

2652
02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:33,160
Speaker 1: having that side arm. It's not for hunting, it's for protection,

2653
02:25:33,800 --> 02:25:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it's good to have that. I mean,

2654
02:25:36,360 --> 02:25:38,200
Speaker 1: what happens you know the story I got told that

2655
02:25:38,320 --> 02:25:40,039
Speaker 1: you know the bear knocked the rifle out of his hand,

2656
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:42,280
Speaker 1: and the guy said he as he was playing dead

2657
02:25:42,280 --> 02:25:43,800
Speaker 1: and fumbling around with the Barry said he could have

2658
02:25:43,879 --> 02:25:46,960
Speaker 1: shot at twenty times. So that's kind of what I

2659
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:50,040
Speaker 1: went off of. And uh, in fact, I carry that

2660
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:52,360
Speaker 1: handgun and every single hunt, every time I'm in the

2661
02:25:52,400 --> 02:25:54,520
Speaker 1: back country in the state of Alaska, can be a

2662
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,760
Speaker 1: sheep hunter, goat hunt, I'm still carrying it. So yeah,

2663
02:25:58,200 --> 02:26:00,960
Speaker 1: that's the main thing. And yep, Carrett, Carrett, Carrett, and

2664
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:02,959
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that, you know black bears,

2665
02:26:03,000 --> 02:26:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, Oh, I carried over when I'm you know,

2666
02:26:05,240 --> 02:26:07,760
Speaker 1: on this island when I'm brown beart hunting, but I

2667
02:26:07,800 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 1: don't carry it on the black Bear Island. But black

2668
02:26:11,080 --> 02:26:14,360
Speaker 1: bears kill people. So um, every situation is different. But

2669
02:26:14,480 --> 02:26:17,360
Speaker 1: in this situation, I am thankful that I had a

2670
02:26:17,440 --> 02:26:20,879
Speaker 1: firearm or a handgun with me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

2671
02:26:20,920 --> 02:26:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm I carry a kimber K six um revolver and

2672
02:26:26,320 --> 02:26:29,680
Speaker 1: that's and I've I'm an East Coast kid, as people

2673
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:31,600
Speaker 1: know that listen to the show. I'm I lived in

2674
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:33,600
Speaker 1: Texas for a while, in Illinois for a while, and

2675
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:36,600
Speaker 1: never lived in a place with a bear population. That

2676
02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:39,400
Speaker 1: I would consider to consider dangerous. But as soon as

2677
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:42,120
Speaker 1: I moved to Montana, I'm in the community too, in

2678
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:45,200
Speaker 1: the community of hunters. This is just what you do, UM,

2679
02:26:45,480 --> 02:26:47,120
Speaker 1: and so you don't have to be a hunter, You

2680
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:50,280
Speaker 1: can be anybody that goes outside UM to listen to

2681
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:55,040
Speaker 1: your advice and understand. So I like, I like that again,

2682
02:26:55,400 --> 02:26:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, I really do. I will say, Brett, I

2683
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,680
Speaker 1: appreciate the way that you approach this UM. When we

2684
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:03,480
Speaker 1: first started, the way that you approach wanting to tell

2685
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:05,760
Speaker 1: the story, you were very cautious about who you were

2686
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:07,800
Speaker 1: going to tell it to and exactly what you wanted

2687
02:27:07,800 --> 02:27:10,440
Speaker 1: to say and the goals of telling the story. UM.

2688
02:27:10,520 --> 02:27:12,600
Speaker 1: I told told some guys here in the office that

2689
02:27:12,640 --> 02:27:15,360
Speaker 1: I really admired that and appreciated that. So I want

2690
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:16,920
Speaker 1: to tell you that too, because I think it's you

2691
02:27:17,000 --> 02:27:19,080
Speaker 1: know what, what you're trying to get out of this

2692
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I think is is admirable. Is just just get that

2693
02:27:21,720 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 1: message out. You told me many times that that's what

2694
02:27:23,800 --> 02:27:25,800
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about. You'll tell the story, but

2695
02:27:25,959 --> 02:27:30,960
Speaker 1: only if UM it ends and exactly what you just said. So, UM,

2696
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:32,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know I appreciate that and

2697
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:34,800
Speaker 1: I think hopefully everyone listening to this can take that

2698
02:27:35,080 --> 02:27:38,480
Speaker 1: that from it. Yeah, yeah, thank you very much. Yeah No,

2699
02:27:38,600 --> 02:27:40,920
Speaker 1: I was just yeah, you know, hashtag save a life

2700
02:27:40,920 --> 02:27:43,039
Speaker 1: carry handgun. That's what I was saying in the post.

2701
02:27:43,080 --> 02:27:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, anybody who's in the back country should consider

2702
02:27:46,400 --> 02:27:49,480
Speaker 1: carrying a handgun yea, yea, or any kind of firearm

2703
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:51,880
Speaker 1: at that matter. Yeah. I mean, as this thing went viral,

2704
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:54,000
Speaker 1: you were sending me some links. I wasn't aware that

2705
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:57,200
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan had talked about this. Um, A bunch of

2706
02:27:57,440 --> 02:28:00,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of your high profile Instagram account had had

2707
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:03,880
Speaker 1: posted it, some of them without your permission, many of

2708
02:28:03,959 --> 02:28:07,280
Speaker 1: them the right without your permission. Um. And so this

2709
02:28:07,440 --> 02:28:08,800
Speaker 1: this was out there in the ether round. A lot

2710
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:10,720
Speaker 1: of people were talking about this, and they were what

2711
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:14,440
Speaker 1: they weren't talking about, um, how to prevent it. And

2712
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:17,760
Speaker 1: so hopefully we'll get just as many people to listen

2713
02:28:17,800 --> 02:28:20,480
Speaker 1: to this and hear your story as amazing as it is. Man,

2714
02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:22,800
Speaker 1: when I'm listening to that, I'm slack, y'all for most

2715
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:26,360
Speaker 1: of the time. As you describe, you know what, what

2716
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:29,240
Speaker 1: is only, in my opinion, a pretty heroic act. I

2717
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,400
Speaker 1: think any of us would want to do that to

2718
02:28:31,480 --> 02:28:36,080
Speaker 1: save any anyone. Let alone our life matter. Ye yeah,

2719
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:39,720
Speaker 1: let let alone our father. So, um, I really do,

2720
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, I really do appreciate that part of it.

2721
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,040
Speaker 1: And it's an amazing story. So you know, thanks for

2722
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:48,760
Speaker 1: sharing it. Yeah, thank you for having me on. So

2723
02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:51,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, Um, what's your dad up to

2724
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:54,160
Speaker 1: these days? It sounds like he's he's doing better than

2725
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:55,920
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people would have expected

2726
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:58,840
Speaker 1: given given the videos. Yeah, yeah, he's doing better. Um,

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02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:01,560
Speaker 1: he's adapting. You know, got that hearing out of that

2728
02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:04,120
Speaker 1: one year in the last year and uh, he's just

2729
02:29:04,480 --> 02:29:07,080
Speaker 1: living his life. He's doing pretty good. Um, you know,

2730
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:09,200
Speaker 1: things are you know a little slower, and you know

2731
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:11,240
Speaker 1: he's learning, you know, relearning, you know, and he went

2732
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:14,240
Speaker 1: the biggest thing was he goes seventy seven years with

2733
02:29:14,320 --> 02:29:16,440
Speaker 1: one eye and having adapt to or I mean with

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02:29:16,480 --> 02:29:18,360
Speaker 1: two eyes and having adapt to one eye. You know,

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02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:23,280
Speaker 1: it's a big transition. So he's working with what he got. Yeah,

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02:29:23,959 --> 02:29:25,720
Speaker 1: he sounds like he's pretty good at that all the

2737
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:28,920
Speaker 1: way from this one. So, I mean it's it's it's

2738
02:29:28,959 --> 02:29:31,080
Speaker 1: great to hear and if if you want to see

2739
02:29:31,160 --> 02:29:34,680
Speaker 1: more of um, what are some pretty amazing adventures and

2740
02:29:35,560 --> 02:29:37,400
Speaker 1: of your own on your personal on a personal level,

2741
02:29:37,440 --> 02:29:40,720
Speaker 1: then your guiding hit hit bred up at at b

2742
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:44,400
Speaker 1: B B Alaskan one Instagram that's where most of your

2743
02:29:44,440 --> 02:29:47,200
Speaker 1: content lives, or anywhere else they can find your Brett. Yeah,

2744
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:50,800
Speaker 1: bb Alaska on Instagram and BBB dot com is my website.

2745
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:56,400
Speaker 1: UM Big Game Guiding and trapping tours and snow machine, etcetera.

2746
02:29:56,840 --> 02:30:00,400
Speaker 1: UM Guide Services in Alaska. So beautiful. Want to leave

2747
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,520
Speaker 1: anybody with you know, your your philosophies, things that might

2748
02:30:04,600 --> 02:30:07,320
Speaker 1: have changed after this attack. Is there anything you know

2749
02:30:07,800 --> 02:30:09,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people have like poetic things they want

2750
02:30:09,800 --> 02:30:11,360
Speaker 1: to say after this. Is there something you got in

2751
02:30:11,400 --> 02:30:15,160
Speaker 1: your head? Yeah? There's two things. Uh. I mean on

2752
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:17,200
Speaker 1: all my hunts, but I want to emphasize on bear

2753
02:30:17,280 --> 02:30:20,959
Speaker 1: hunting number one, especially on a bear hunt, I will

2754
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:24,000
Speaker 1: not I mean, I trusted my dad, so I separated

2755
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:26,720
Speaker 1: from because he taught me everything but one thing. In

2756
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:30,520
Speaker 1: personal hunting and guiding nowadays, I do not separate from anybody.

2757
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I stay within ten ft, twenty ft or whatever, no

2758
02:30:33,720 --> 02:30:36,320
Speaker 1: more than twenty ft because when you're not next to me,

2759
02:30:36,680 --> 02:30:39,640
Speaker 1: you know I can't protect you or they can't protect

2760
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:43,040
Speaker 1: me properly. That's number one, And then number two is

2761
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:47,720
Speaker 1: especially bear hunting, I would recommend chambering all your rounds,

2762
02:30:47,879 --> 02:30:51,880
Speaker 1: making sure they chamber. Um. Actually, a year after that,

2763
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:55,199
Speaker 1: I was guiding the sheep hunt. Guy mentioned the word reload.

2764
02:30:55,400 --> 02:30:58,080
Speaker 1: At the time, I was, you know, not really favorable

2765
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,320
Speaker 1: of reloads. But I made the guy chamber room and

2766
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:04,959
Speaker 1: he had a box of twenty and we found out

2767
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:06,640
Speaker 1: and we shot the gun at the range and then

2768
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:09,240
Speaker 1: go off and realized that twelve of the rounds didn't

2769
02:31:09,240 --> 02:31:13,480
Speaker 1: have powder in them. So, um, basically, check all your loads.

2770
02:31:13,640 --> 02:31:16,840
Speaker 1: I shake loads now, and chamber room when I'm hunting

2771
02:31:16,959 --> 02:31:20,840
Speaker 1: in Alaska, especially bear hunting. All right, well that's those

2772
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:23,640
Speaker 1: two things I would like that. So that's good. Well,

2773
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:25,760
Speaker 1: that's good. To leave everybody with Brett. We'll check back

2774
02:31:25,800 --> 02:31:28,000
Speaker 1: in with you. Um hopefully maybe one time we can

2775
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:30,280
Speaker 1: get your dad on or all right, you check back

2776
02:31:30,280 --> 02:31:31,840
Speaker 1: in when you get that full mount of this bare

2777
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:35,120
Speaker 1: back and and in times when there aren't there's in

2778
02:31:35,200 --> 02:31:37,400
Speaker 1: quarantine restrictions that can maybe fly up and hang out

2779
02:31:37,440 --> 02:31:39,240
Speaker 1: with you and see what it's like up in your

2780
02:31:39,320 --> 02:31:41,920
Speaker 1: neck of the woods. Yeah, for sure, man, that sounds good.

2781
02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:44,600
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Brett. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, thanks

2782
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot. That's it. That's all another episode in the books.

2783
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:02,120
Speaker 1: Thank you to the entire Bond family, Larraine Phillips, Brett Bond,

2784
02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Brett West Scott, a bunch of other folks that talked

2785
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:09,680
Speaker 1: to us around this story. It's been interesting to investigate

2786
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:13,440
Speaker 1: it and learn about it. All of it started because

2787
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:19,440
Speaker 1: I was interested in hearing the truth in a pretty wild, salacious, bloody,

2788
02:32:19,560 --> 02:32:23,480
Speaker 1: gruesome story out of Alaska. And so it's it's taken

2789
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:28,160
Speaker 1: us on a couple of weeks long wild ride. Um, Phil,

2790
02:32:28,280 --> 02:32:31,160
Speaker 1: what are you What are you feeling? What are you feeling? Buddy?

2791
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:36,039
Speaker 1: It's a I mean, it's this guy has too just crazy,

2792
02:32:36,120 --> 02:32:38,760
Speaker 1: wild stories that have happened in his life. They happened

2793
02:32:38,800 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 1: just a couple of years apart, which is um uh yeah,

2794
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:47,040
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope my life stays stays boring. I'll

2795
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,920
Speaker 1: say that, good point, Phil. I'm gonna go home and

2796
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:53,240
Speaker 1: have another piece of cake. That's right, I'll be fine.

2797
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:56,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know, deep since there sincere

2798
02:32:56,640 --> 02:33:00,160
Speaker 1: thanks to Brett um for jumping on. I know um

2799
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:03,080
Speaker 1: as we already talked about here in the show. This

2800
02:33:03,240 --> 02:33:04,880
Speaker 1: is a long I mean, this is a two and

2801
02:33:04,879 --> 02:33:10,080
Speaker 1: a half hour like breakdown of this story. Um, we

2802
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:12,600
Speaker 1: could have gone probably another two hours more. There's there's

2803
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:16,440
Speaker 1: a lot here, a lot to uncover. As I was

2804
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:18,560
Speaker 1: telling somebody earlier, it's kind of like quicksand the more

2805
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:20,959
Speaker 1: that you struggle to get to the top, the more

2806
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:23,880
Speaker 1: that you sink in. Um. But that's just goes to

2807
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:26,879
Speaker 1: show how compelling of a story that we've run into here,

2808
02:33:27,480 --> 02:33:30,840
Speaker 1: and so UM, I'm glad to have brought it to you.

2809
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:34,480
Speaker 1: As I said, what we have have outlined here today,

2810
02:33:34,480 --> 02:33:37,320
Speaker 1: I think is the truth, as crazy as it sounds. Um,

2811
02:33:38,240 --> 02:33:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever hear anything like it. Phil again,

2812
02:33:40,959 --> 02:33:46,160
Speaker 1: It's just there's just so much going on. So I

2813
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know what we're gonna do next week, but it

2814
02:33:48,959 --> 02:33:51,800
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be this. No better figure it out. Well.

2815
02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:54,120
Speaker 1: We got a lot of um, a lot of interesting

2816
02:33:54,160 --> 02:33:56,240
Speaker 1: emails to catch up on next week. I have a

2817
02:33:56,360 --> 02:33:59,920
Speaker 1: pile of emails here. Eric calls back at it come

2818
02:34:00,080 --> 02:34:05,200
Speaker 1: ending on whether hunting is selfless or selfish. We got

2819
02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:10,360
Speaker 1: lots of emails about exactly what happened during the Turkey

2820
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:15,920
Speaker 1: season White Claw, all kinds of stuff people really love

2821
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:18,039
Speaker 1: Shae mahoney, So we'll get to that next week. We're

2822
02:34:18,040 --> 02:34:20,240
Speaker 1: also next week you're gonna hear an interview with Um,

2823
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:25,440
Speaker 1: one of the first employees of Impossible Meats. Yeah, we're

2824
02:34:25,480 --> 02:34:27,400
Speaker 1: gonna interview the guy had a Hong Kong I believe

2825
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:30,880
Speaker 1: he's somewhere over there and Um, we're gonna talk about

2826
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:35,120
Speaker 1: impossible meets phil Um, what they taste like, why they

2827
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:38,240
Speaker 1: were created, what the future of them is, whether they

2828
02:34:38,280 --> 02:34:40,560
Speaker 1: want me to stop killing things or not? Who knows

2829
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:43,920
Speaker 1: all of that. Next week UM with one of the

2830
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:48,120
Speaker 1: original employees of Impossible Meats. Ah. I'm hoping it's going

2831
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:51,039
Speaker 1: to be a very robust conversation and not a debate,

2832
02:34:51,240 --> 02:34:55,879
Speaker 1: but we shall see. You never know, you never know. Yes,

2833
02:34:56,000 --> 02:34:59,400
Speaker 1: you've proven that. If anything, I've proven that. So again,

2834
02:34:59,480 --> 02:35:02,520
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening to this. Check the Mediator dot com.

2835
02:35:02,920 --> 02:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Over the next seven days, we're going to share with

2836
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,600
Speaker 1: you the full story in written form. Thanks to Joe

2837
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Fernando and Sam Longer for helping me out with that

2838
02:35:10,680 --> 02:35:12,720
Speaker 1: and being a part of this. We will see you

2839
02:35:13,160 --> 02:35:16,760
Speaker 1: next week. Say bye, Phil, you know, because I can't

2840
02:35:16,840 --> 02:35:31,760
Speaker 1: go a week without doing rong Oh without drank,