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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: Season thirteen, episode number sixty one. Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 1: at the Star. And today we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Redskins. It is Redskins Week. Cowboys will travel
Speaker 1: to Washington on Saturday and then on Sunday at three
Speaker 1: twenty five they'll kick off against the Redskins. How's everybody
Speaker 1: doing this morning? Well, I'm doing outstanding. I don't know
Speaker 1: about the rest of the group. I'm doing fine. Dave
Speaker 1: good rip, Fats Domino pass away? Yeah he just passed away.
Speaker 1: It is said, Yeah, didn't I baby King passed away?
Speaker 1: What it last within the last year or at last
Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half or so. But Blues
Speaker 1: Legend New England Zone Fats Domino. Alright, we were kind
Speaker 1: of talking about blues a little bit, so well, sorry,
Speaker 1: I think Prince is bluesy No, okay, no, just he
Speaker 1: passed away too, Michael Jackson, Seleno, how long are we gonna? Yep,
Speaker 1: just just keep going, I guess, all right, but how
Speaker 1: are you this? Maybe maybe Elvis, maybe Tupac? All right,
Speaker 1: just glad to be alive right now? Wow, that is
Speaker 1: always an acceptable answer for whatever it's worth. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: better than the alternative crazy. It makes it sound like
Speaker 1: it was a close call or something. No, every day
Speaker 1: could be a close call. You never ever know every day.
Speaker 1: I'm cheflin. It's true that also. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into some football. Let's talk some Cowboys and Redskin before
Speaker 1: we do that, though, I do want to start first
Speaker 1: with the news that came out yesterday evening. Cowboys make
Speaker 1: a decision with the kicker, and I think there are
Speaker 1: two parts of this story. Number one the guy that
Speaker 1: they brought in and number two the guy that they
Speaker 1: sent packing. So let's start first with the guy they
Speaker 1: brought in, Mike Nugent. He is being brought in and
Speaker 1: replaced Dan Bailey. Just to give you, guys, an idea
Speaker 1: of kind of statistically what he was last year. He
Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty steady kicker if you're less
Speaker 1: than fifty except and here's the notable exception, extra points.
Speaker 1: For some reason, for some reason, last year he had
Speaker 1: a really tough time with extra points. He was only
Speaker 1: twenty three of twenty nine on extra points. But when
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of his kicking, he was
Speaker 1: he was nine of nine twenty to twenty nine yards.
Speaker 1: He was nine of ten thirty to thirty nine yards.
Speaker 1: He was five or seven for forty to forty nine yards.
Speaker 1: Oh of three beyond fifty. But okay, that's acceptable. That's
Speaker 1: a you know, that's not a gimmey anyway, It's not
Speaker 1: acceptable now when Dan Bailey's the guy, no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: for a guy that was on the street, that didn't
Speaker 1: have a job that you need to bring in to
Speaker 1: give you some relief while your starter is out, that's
Speaker 1: acceptable if I'll tell you like this, if he fixes
Speaker 1: the extra points and the only thing you're dealing with
Speaker 1: is a guy that's reliable for fifty for less than fifty,
Speaker 1: I'll take that, would you not? I get your point,
Speaker 1: But it's sure is nice. I could have been different there.
Speaker 1: Just it's not acceptable, but it's more understandable, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I think he's succeptable. For me, it's
Speaker 1: acceptable if I know as a coach. If I know
Speaker 1: as a coach that the guy's reliable for forty nine
Speaker 1: anything forty nine in he's reliable, then I can plan
Speaker 1: around that. I know that I'm not gonna throw him
Speaker 1: out there too often unless it's like in the game
Speaker 1: type situation where I have to do it. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna throw him out there to kick a fifty two
Speaker 1: yard because I don't trust him there. But if I
Speaker 1: know forty nine, unless I can trust him, I can
Speaker 1: plan around that. Right. We know that extra points make
Speaker 1: a difference, But I'm just glad that right now the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are able to score touchdowns and nod to the
Speaker 1: point where we were they were struggling with scoring and
Speaker 1: just relying on field goals and all that. Maybe they
Speaker 1: just let he keep doing the extra points. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe he's two with three, right, twenty three of twenty nine,
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty nine. It wasn't great. That's not good.
Speaker 1: I mean, what seriously, what is that average? That's not good.
Speaker 1: The thanks, Jason. What I'm thinking, what seventy probably seventy nine,
Speaker 1: that's awful, Okay, Jeff, he's sixty six bad for extra points.
Speaker 1: That's pretty bad averages like ninety eight point nine or
Speaker 1: see what what I don't like about him already just
Speaker 1: by knowing that is that it seems like it's a
Speaker 1: mental thing, because what is he on twenty of twenty
Speaker 1: nine and all that? That's exactly right. Twenty twenty nine,
Speaker 1: he's nine of nine. He didn't miss anything. Twenty's thirty
Speaker 1: and thirty. He's nine of ten. See, so he's only
Speaker 1: missed one. It was the thirty nine. Mental part of
Speaker 1: the extra point is now pushed back, and that probably
Speaker 1: helped him get on the street. You know, obviously you
Speaker 1: miss an extra points, yeah, but a mental part of it.
Speaker 1: So hopefully all that's fixed. I mean, Dan Bailey. Everyone
Speaker 1: appreciates Dan Bailey, and they'll appreciate him even more probably
Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, the guy has a
Speaker 1: twelve year career. Last year was a bit of an aberration.
Speaker 1: He's been a pretty good kicker throughout his career, and
Speaker 1: he's made a lot of a lot of kicks throughout
Speaker 1: his career, so he has not been he's never been
Speaker 1: great beyond fifty. Yeah, he's kind of been mixed beyond fifth.
Speaker 1: There's some years he's been two of three, that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But he's not never been a great reliable
Speaker 1: kicker beyond fifty. But again, I don't think that most
Speaker 1: kickers are that reliable beyond fifty. I think for a
Speaker 1: few yea, and Bailey is one of them. I don't
Speaker 1: think there are a lot of them. I know that
Speaker 1: going in right, know that first and ten of the
Speaker 1: thirty four yard line, you don't run the football or
Speaker 1: if you if that's what you need, if that if
Speaker 1: you need, if you make sure you need to get
Speaker 1: a field goal, because you can't just go three passes now, okay,
Speaker 1: now were in fifty one two yarder, you can't do
Speaker 1: that with him. It was he the one that pac
Speaker 1: Man called out a few years ago, probably because he's
Speaker 1: been on the bank. Yeah, that's why. I remember there
Speaker 1: was a game between the Bengals and the I think
Speaker 1: it was the Panthers, and they tied. Somebody missed two
Speaker 1: or three field goals, pac Man called him out, which
Speaker 1: is you know any right, I pac Man wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that Ted anyways. All right, so let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: the flip side of this coin. Um. Now, the guy, Huh,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be more. You did think it
Speaker 1: would be more. Actually you brought up both Mores within
Speaker 1: the last two days and uh, and it ended up
Speaker 1: being Demontre More. Um. Do you guys know why? Because
Speaker 1: I think that's the prevailing question out there that everybody
Speaker 1: wants to know, is why why Demontre More Dan? Really
Speaker 1: why Demontre More as opposed to a guy like Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore who is for an all intents and purposes. You
Speaker 1: heard Stevens say that he's not going to be the
Speaker 1: backup anymore. So you think you can still get into
Speaker 1: the practice squad. Why wouldn't he have been the guy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know about that part, but I mean, if
Speaker 1: they need another roster spot, he's probably a good candidate
Speaker 1: Callen Moore. But let's talk about Demontre Bar. I'll start
Speaker 1: with this. I know why he wasn't cut. It wasn't
Speaker 1: cut because of the fist in the air and the
Speaker 1: salute and all that. That's not why he was cut,
Speaker 1: So I'll let Dave talk about the rest why it
Speaker 1: was Ormer. This kind of goes back to um to
Speaker 1: what I was saying about Darren McFadden last week, which
Speaker 1: is that you know, this will be asked about today
Speaker 1: at Jason Garrett's press conference and afterwards off the record,
Speaker 1: and will probably be told one thing, and I won't
Speaker 1: believe it, Like I don't. I don't believe this was
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent football decision. And I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to say that Demontre Moore's DeMarcus ware Like
Speaker 1: he had five tackles and no sacks. It's not like
Speaker 1: he was lighting the league on fire. I feel like
Speaker 1: kind of like and I was leading that charge like
Speaker 1: with Darius Jackson last year, where you know, you cut
Speaker 1: a guy and he's all of a sudden Herschel Walker
Speaker 1: or Walter Payton because he's not on the team. Like
Speaker 1: that's not true. This isn't going to alter their prospects.
Speaker 1: But it's just weird, and I just it just doesn't
Speaker 1: add up to me that, based on what he was
Speaker 1: doing on the field and what the makeup of this
Speaker 1: team is, that that this was purely football and I
Speaker 1: think that is backed up by the fact that they're
Speaker 1: working out a defensive end today, so they know that
Speaker 1: they need another like they know that they're not probably
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent set at defensive end. It's not
Speaker 1: like they're like, well, we're good here, we just have
Speaker 1: too many that when the last time they said that,
Speaker 1: lets any team ever said we got too many defensive ends.
Speaker 1: So do I know the specifics of it, No, But
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling like it's it's just it
Speaker 1: wasn't a pure football you know, I'll say this, it's
Speaker 1: it's never only football, but it starts with football, you know,
Speaker 1: that's where it is. I mean, if I Demontre Moore
Speaker 1: obviously had three sacks and you know, was making a
Speaker 1: lot of plays, you change your tune a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: But you know, there was some there was sounds like
Speaker 1: there was an incident in a club with him that
Speaker 1: that with I don't know all the details about it,
Speaker 1: but I do know that he was there and he
Speaker 1: was with some people that were there, and I don't
Speaker 1: that might have been why he didn't play. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of sketchy details here. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: similar I guess with a smaller sample size. But of
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead, I mean when we talked about this too,
Speaker 1: all those things that Lucky did, but he didn't play
Speaker 1: that well, so you didn't really have to put up
Speaker 1: with it. And I'm not saying de Montrey Moore has
Speaker 1: that much, but you know, he's been here just a
Speaker 1: short time. He's been suspended for two games, which they
Speaker 1: knew about when they signed him, but they did know
Speaker 1: about it, and you probably, you know, want a shorter
Speaker 1: leash on him than somebody who, yeah, you didn't have
Speaker 1: to worry abeat. It's probably it's probably realistic, believe, And
Speaker 1: that wasn't his only indiscretion, Like coming in the door.
Speaker 1: He had some past things that had gone on, not
Speaker 1: only in college but also in New York. Right, So
Speaker 1: so I would guess, I would guess. I don't know
Speaker 1: this for a fact, but I would guess that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys brought him in with the understanding, look, we're giving
Speaker 1: you this chance, but if we see signs that things
Speaker 1: aren't changing, we're gonna not have you around our team.
Speaker 1: And and so if there were again I don't know
Speaker 1: the details, but if there were things that happened off
Speaker 1: the field. It could have been a situation where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are just like, you know, you're not a great player, right,
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is you're not holding
Speaker 1: up your into the bargain, which is we brought you
Speaker 1: with the expectation that you were trying to be better
Speaker 1: and change or whatever, and doesn't seem to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's let's make it clear. I mean, it's about
Speaker 1: football as well, because anyone that sits there and go, oh,
Speaker 1: but Zeke can do this and David Irving can do it, yeah,
Speaker 1: because because they're better football players and that's just the
Speaker 1: name of the game. It's the way it always has been,
Speaker 1: the way it always will be. David Irving has three
Speaker 1: sacks in two games, right because Zeke. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just that's the way it is. That nobody's held
Speaker 1: to the same standard. When they start paying players the
Speaker 1: exact same, then it can hold them to the same
Speaker 1: standard when they when they draft them different spots and
Speaker 1: they pay them differently and they perform differently differently exactly
Speaker 1: the way it is. So so I just I think
Speaker 1: right now that that whole question, and I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of different reports out there. I think everybody needs
Speaker 1: to hold just a bit on that whole thing until
Speaker 1: we learn more, because there has to be more to
Speaker 1: this story. It's you know, it's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to say is a little fishy, and I think there's
Speaker 1: more factors here at work than just pure football. But
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't just cut John Randall, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's it's right the day you were right about that.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say exactly what, but I just we
Speaker 1: talked about it yesterday. You were exactly right about what
Speaker 1: would happen. Oh yeah, what story would come out? And
Speaker 1: it did. You're also right about another thing on a
Speaker 1: very smaller level. But you said, when I get into
Speaker 1: my car and I start driving to the airport on Saturday,
Speaker 1: their Cowboys are going to send out Richard ashes on
Speaker 1: the team. And I'm I'm telling you that's exactly. I
Speaker 1: don't know what did I say, write the story now?
Speaker 1: Because we knew it was gonna happen, right, I've been
Speaker 1: around the block a few times, not enough to write
Speaker 1: the story then, but I know that no, the Russian
Speaker 1: write it. Oh Rob wrote it. Yeah, he's been around
Speaker 1: the block a little longer. True. All right, let's jump
Speaker 1: into this thing. We're gonna talk about the Washington offense
Speaker 1: today and the Cowboys defense. Um, so we're gonna do
Speaker 1: this a little differently. We're gonna have Dave give us
Speaker 1: a scouttering report acause he's been doing and then I
Speaker 1: want to hear from Amber and Nick on specific things
Speaker 1: about the Washington offense that should concern Nik. Isn't a
Speaker 1: weird good mood for a morning, It's just not. It's
Speaker 1: not normal. You take any medicine this morning feeling a
Speaker 1: little Maybe I didn't take the medicine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now you are in a good mood for a morning.
Speaker 1: Usually mornings aren't your thing. Well, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: up at five am, it's not morning. You weren't. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe you should get him at five am every morning.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll start texting you at five am. That sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into this day. Give me a
Speaker 1: scatter report on the Washington offense. Well, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: this mainly. I mean I would I would guess that
Speaker 1: we all watched at least part of that Monday night
Speaker 1: game against If you watched it, you probably saw, just
Speaker 1: like scores of Washington players being helped off the fields.
Speaker 1: It was hard to keep up with after a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's what I'm here for. And the main thing
Speaker 1: that I'm watching is one, two, three, Four of the
Speaker 1: starting five offensive linemen on this team are dealing with
Speaker 1: something heading into this game. Trent Williams has a knee
Speaker 1: that I like, the football players are crazy. He's dealing
Speaker 1: with a situation that probably needs surgery, and he's basically
Speaker 1: going to try to make it through ten more games
Speaker 1: of the season. I respect. It's unbelievable. I mean, you
Speaker 1: talk about Tyrn Smith managing his back. This guy needs
Speaker 1: probably needs surgery. Jay Gruden said he's probably not going
Speaker 1: to practice again this year. They're just gonna try to
Speaker 1: get him through it. So think about that for a moment.
Speaker 1: This is a three hundred plus pound man who is
Speaker 1: putting a lot of torque on his knee. He can't
Speaker 1: feel good, and he's just like, I'll play through it.
Speaker 1: I'll be good. I would imagine every day is agony,
Speaker 1: and then on game day you get some tour at
Speaker 1: all and go out there and play crazy. Spencer Long
Speaker 1: has tendonitis in his knee. I believe he's their center.
Speaker 1: He's questionable. Brandon Sheriff sprained his MCL again. That sounds
Speaker 1: like something that would sideline me for a month. They're
Speaker 1: optimistic he can play. We'll see. Also has a bad back,
Speaker 1: and yes, Morgan Moses rolled both of his ankles. That's
Speaker 1: your right tackle, he said after the game. He's playing.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care. As long as nothing's broken. He's playing.
Speaker 1: But still happened. So at the very least, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be missing several guys, or at the very you could
Speaker 1: be missing several guys are At the very least, they're
Speaker 1: all gonna be playing beat up, like real beat up.
Speaker 1: So that's where I start with that. But mainly the
Speaker 1: main thing, you know, last week I talked about how
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are kind of a throwback in
Speaker 1: the sense that they play under center and they have
Speaker 1: fullbacks and tight ends. This is the Washington Redskins are
Speaker 1: the epitome of the NFL in twenty seventeen because they
Speaker 1: don't do anything like that, like this is a shotgun team.
Speaker 1: This is a three and four wide most of the
Speaker 1: time kind of teams. The Baylor in its in its
Speaker 1: heyday kind of a yeah, apps, I mean they chuck
Speaker 1: the ball around. Their sixth in the league in passing offense.
Speaker 1: They average two hundred and fifty four yards a game.
Speaker 1: They're tight ends, Jordan Reed and Vernon Davis are both
Speaker 1: really receivers. They don't do that inline stuff. There is
Speaker 1: a lot of which I thought was interesting. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of h back stuff that they do, Like they'll
Speaker 1: put their tight ends in the backfield Niles Niles Paul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lines up back there a lot, but really, like
Speaker 1: I said, a lot of him personnel, a lot of
Speaker 1: bunch formations, a lot of trips, a lot of stacking receivers,
Speaker 1: Terroll Prior all line up on the line with Josh
Speaker 1: Doxon right behind him, that type of stuff, and they
Speaker 1: just throw the ball around. Case in point, who do
Speaker 1: you think their leading receiver is right now? Chris Thompson
Speaker 1: Thompson Bingo. Because running back, their running game is okay,
Speaker 1: it's fourteenth in the league, but the vast majority of
Speaker 1: their production at running back comes from Chris Thompson, who
Speaker 1: has two hundred and thirteen rushing yards but three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty six receiving yards. He's averaging sixteen yards as
Speaker 1: a catch and he is a Whipon. He for comparison,
Speaker 1: he had three hundred and fifty in all of twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: So I think they did some self scouting and realized, like, hey,
Speaker 1: we might not be maximizing this guy because he you know,
Speaker 1: I went into this thinking I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: Jamison Crowder's the guy. That's what like. You know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched him. I'm like, Jamison Crowder's the guy. He's
Speaker 1: his shifty third round pick, catches the ball near the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He's got nineteen catches for one hundred yards. Bad.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's on your fantasy Yes he's been bad
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, Yes, he's been bad this year. Horrible
Speaker 1: Jordan Read. You know, he's seen hurt a lot, He's
Speaker 1: always hurt. He's got two hundred and six yards. Vernon
Speaker 1: Davis pretty having a nice season. He's got three hundred yards,
Speaker 1: but only on fifteen catches, which they played six games,
Speaker 1: so you're talking less than three catches per game. They
Speaker 1: go down filled him a lot. Josh Doson has You've
Speaker 1: definitely seen him. He's had some real jaw dropping plays.
Speaker 1: He made an amazing catch against Oakland. I think he
Speaker 1: had another one against Kansas City. But he has seven
Speaker 1: catches on the year, so he has an amazing drop
Speaker 1: two or two. And so I'm I'm I read or
Speaker 1: listen back to what I just said, and you're like,
Speaker 1: where is the production coming from? If they're the six
Speaker 1: ranked offense or six ranked passing offense, it's coming from
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson. He's he's having an amazing year. Um, Rob
Speaker 1: Kelly and samaj p Ryan. Are there other running backs?
Speaker 1: Those are guys worth looking at? And they do they
Speaker 1: try to do some power stuff, but I watched two
Speaker 1: plus games worth and the amount of times where they
Speaker 1: like lined up in an eye or of one back
Speaker 1: formation and just handed the ball off very rare compared
Speaker 1: to shotgun even shotgun handoffs or just throwing the ball
Speaker 1: to a running back and having that used as a
Speaker 1: handoff base. Rob has been hurt quite a bit this year.
Speaker 1: I think he just came back this last game or
Speaker 1: the game before. But p rn p Ron's a pretty
Speaker 1: good running back. I saw him at I watched most
Speaker 1: of his career at Oklahoma. He's a pretty good running back.
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's gonna wow you. He's not
Speaker 1: doesn't have crazy speed. He doesn't have, you know, crazy strength,
Speaker 1: but he kind of have a good has a good
Speaker 1: mixture of both. So he's a good running back, a
Speaker 1: solid running back. He's the kind of running back that
Speaker 1: if you let him get going, he can have a
Speaker 1: nice day on you. But I don't think he poses
Speaker 1: nearly the threat that Chris Thompson does in terms of
Speaker 1: running the ball. This team doesn't scare me, especially if
Speaker 1: their offensive line is banged up. Ryn's averaging three yards
Speaker 1: per carry. Thompson is a scatback. I mean, he's that's
Speaker 1: just not going to be his game. And then Kelly's
Speaker 1: been hurt, he's averaging He's he's doing a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I think, all things being equal, if he's completely healthy,
Speaker 1: I assume he's the guy they'd prefer to have out
Speaker 1: there as they're running back. But what they use is
Speaker 1: really a part of their running game is getting Chris
Speaker 1: Thompson out. No that will and you know they're fav stuff.
Speaker 1: Their favorite thing in the world, like I said, is
Speaker 1: like they'll put Terrell prior Crowder. They'll put two or
Speaker 1: three guys over here and send him down the field
Speaker 1: and clear that space out and just dump a little
Speaker 1: swing route off to Chris thomp They'd do it all
Speaker 1: the time and sometimes it busts big. I mean, Chris
Speaker 1: Thompson's averaging sixteen yards to catch. That's so and like like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I knew he was on this team, like I knew
Speaker 1: who he was, but he was, Like I said, he
Speaker 1: has not been in a focal point for them the
Speaker 1: way that he has. He looked really good in that
Speaker 1: game against oak I don't know if you guys saw
Speaker 1: that game, but ice game against Oakland, he's everything that
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett and Scott Linahan dreamed Lance Dunbar would be.
Speaker 1: No doubt, Yep, he's just up. Dunbar never could he
Speaker 1: never could be that guy. But but so, I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody knows Kirk Cousins at this point. I think he's
Speaker 1: a better player than he gets credit for. But he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not consistently good enough to get that type of credit.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, he'll throw up a stinker once a month,
Speaker 1: and usually when everybody's watching, like on Monday night, where
Speaker 1: he's and by no means he was not bad in
Speaker 1: that guy. He wasn't. I don't think that. But he's
Speaker 1: over six, but he did lose by three possessions to
Speaker 1: a divisional arrival, which isn't a good look if you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be one of the better quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: But he didn't nothing. But he's playing great. He's got
Speaker 1: I think he's got eighteen hundred passing yards. He's limited
Speaker 1: the picks this year. The thing that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: for this, and we wrote about this in the mailbag today,
Speaker 1: is this is another one of those situations where they're
Speaker 1: gonna get their yards like that. That's just how it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Like I don't I don't think of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys as being equipped to just completely shut them down.
Speaker 1: He had four he had something like four thirty in
Speaker 1: the Week two game last year, and he missed on
Speaker 1: some throws that would have made that way worse. I mean,
Speaker 1: he missed the Shan Jackson. They have won the game
Speaker 1: for him, if you'd like. And then on Thanksgiving, I
Speaker 1: think he threw for three to sixty. So I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not going to shut this down with
Speaker 1: all the different weapons that they have and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's a good quarterback. The thing I'm looking at
Speaker 1: is again that offensive line and this is as good
Speaker 1: as the Dallas pass rush has been in the last
Speaker 1: five or six years. So I think that's that's your
Speaker 1: best bet is this isn't a running game that I
Speaker 1: think can take over the game, and so hopefully DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence and company will be able to get some wins
Speaker 1: and get him on the ground, which should hopefully mitigate this.
Speaker 1: Based on what you were able to see, especially in
Speaker 1: the second half of that game against Philadelphia and how
Speaker 1: the defensive front for the Eagles was able to I think,
Speaker 1: really start taking over that game in the second half.
Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys can do a similar thing
Speaker 1: with facing a banged up Washington Redskins office, because I
Speaker 1: do think that offensive line in Washington is really good,
Speaker 1: but banged up. Do you think Dallas has the horses
Speaker 1: to be able to get after all? Was that just
Speaker 1: a function of the fact that Philly's front is just
Speaker 1: so good. Well, you know, Dallas can can try to
Speaker 1: get after him. But the problem is is we've seen
Speaker 1: so many times they're not that great at blitzing. They
Speaker 1: don't seem to get home, and then when that happens,
Speaker 1: then obviously they're vulnerable in the secondary. And we know
Speaker 1: what they are with the safeties. I mean that that
Speaker 1: right there. It's not what I'm going to be concerned about.
Speaker 1: But but I am concerned about the fact that the
Speaker 1: safeties don't cover the tight end well. And the last
Speaker 1: time Jordan Reid was playing with like one arm and
Speaker 1: still in Thanksgiving Day games, still had like ten catches
Speaker 1: or so two touchdowns. And Vernon Davis is playing as
Speaker 1: well as he has been since joining this team. It's
Speaker 1: a tough tight end matchup. And you know, obviously the
Speaker 1: safeties have had some issues covering d linebackers too. Who
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't do well against the tight end.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like I said, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna shut these guys down. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna put up some stats and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: disheartening to a degree. But and that I mean, that's
Speaker 1: my I guess my hope. If they're gonna play well
Speaker 1: and win this I think they're going to take advantage
Speaker 1: of this offensive line, and you know, three four sacks
Speaker 1: could go a long way in helping to limit that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. When we come
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Speaker 1: and Nick. I want to hear about your concerns. What
Speaker 1: do you think is the biggest concern as you look
Speaker 1: at this Washington offense matching up against this Dallas defense.
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Speaker 1: the second segment of the break Clive from the s
Speaker 1: WBC More Hits Studios. Yes, Sar, we're talking Cowboys versus Redskins.
Speaker 1: Today we're focusing in on the Cowboys off I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the Redskins offense versus the Cowboys defense. Did Dave did
Speaker 1: a wonderful job of giving us a scouting report on
Speaker 1: this team. Thanks Derek, and so now it is time
Speaker 1: for Nick and Amber to give us their thoughts. Tell
Speaker 1: me one, sorry, I forgot something really important. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Uh red zone, that's another big thing. Okay, what go ahead?
Speaker 1: I just was that. I'm so I think you just
Speaker 1: took everything. Go ahead, go ahead, okay, good, okay, good,
Speaker 1: go ahead, they finish your point. They just they just
Speaker 1: haven't been great at it. Uh. They're ten, they're ten
Speaker 1: of nineteen on the year, their end of nineteen. So wait,
Speaker 1: is that is that red zone touchdowns or red zone points?
Speaker 1: It's the red zone scoring. But that's that's so six
Speaker 1: of they've only scored a touchdown on six of those ten.
Speaker 1: They've said to oh wow, so there's what's happened to
Speaker 1: so not yet nine they what turnovers or or fuel
Speaker 1: goals and then turnovers and um and miss field goals
Speaker 1: because they've had they had you know, they had to
Speaker 1: replace their kicker. Yeah, and stuff like that kind of
Speaker 1: sounds familiar here. Yeah. Um, so it hasn't been good.
Speaker 1: And now it was Dustin Hopkins, he's on ir Bath
Speaker 1: it is now most it's Nick Rose Ross Yeah, I him.
Speaker 1: You never well they remember a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: the guy that was always missing at Texas. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: Nick Rose. Yeah, he's their new kicker. Yeah. So but
Speaker 1: I mean, and fans don't want to hear the fans
Speaker 1: are tired of the bend don't break thing. I get that,
Speaker 1: but that is another place where that's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: your best bet is to force them to set up
Speaker 1: for fuel goals which they might miss or maybe get
Speaker 1: some turnovers down there. But for a team with a
Speaker 1: quarterback as good as I think Kirk Cousins is, they're
Speaker 1: not great at cashing in on scoring drives. It actually
Speaker 1: brings up a good point. I'm sorry, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest plays of the season last year
Speaker 1: was an interception in the end zone Bury Church. Yeah, Cousins,
Speaker 1: really bad decision. That actually does bring up another point, Dave.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that the turnovers they were right now thirtieth
Speaker 1: in the league. And fumbles lost they have seven on
Speaker 1: the season. That's a big number of times that they've
Speaker 1: given the ball away fumbling in a way. So that's
Speaker 1: something for the now Cowboys. Don't necessarily take advantage that
Speaker 1: this last game that we're able to get some some
Speaker 1: of those, but that hasn't been something that they've done
Speaker 1: really great all season. But this may be an opportunity
Speaker 1: for them because this team does have a tendency to
Speaker 1: give the ball away. So Amber, what's the one thing
Speaker 1: if you had one thing that you would say concerns
Speaker 1: you or should concern fans about this Washington offense versus
Speaker 1: the Dallas defense, what would it be. I mean, y'all
Speaker 1: have pretty much covered every single area, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to go back and repeat whatever, you know.
Speaker 1: But my main guy, and I think everyone agrees, would
Speaker 1: be Chris Thompson. But now I would put everything on
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins just because again the offensive line, how bad
Speaker 1: it is Dallas. The offensive line, We've seen what they've done,
Speaker 1: especially in this last game playing against the rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but still maybe they're going, you know, in a groove,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna keep that going and get better and
Speaker 1: really take advantage of their bad offensive line. Now, I
Speaker 1: think he's able to get rid of the ball pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: and he's able to play around and move around and
Speaker 1: get out of the pocket and still be able to
Speaker 1: make plays. And the Dallas scout with defense is going
Speaker 1: to have to take advantage of that too, given the
Speaker 1: fact that if they're able to pressure him and he
Speaker 1: gets rid of that ball quickly, maybe get some turnovers.
Speaker 1: One note is that I was looking at what they
Speaker 1: they've been doing and apparently they're not gonna practice until tomorrow,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna have an extra day off just given
Speaker 1: the fact that they're so banked up, and yeah, their
Speaker 1: coach doesn't want to mess with them, just kinda give
Speaker 1: them time to recover. They're just gonna go through some
Speaker 1: drills and walk throughs and just kind of keep studying
Speaker 1: the Dallas team, the whole team. But hopefully that's another
Speaker 1: thing that helps them, just the fact that they haven't
Speaker 1: been able to have that extra day off and coming
Speaker 1: off a Monday night game. So Dallas really has a
Speaker 1: lot of good advantages here. Why are you shaking your
Speaker 1: head on? Are you done? That? Is that the end
Speaker 1: of it? What? What was that? I just bit my mouth.
Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right. Number one, I think when
Speaker 1: you look at what the Redskins are doing, um, I
Speaker 1: think the interesting part of third and long third and long,
Speaker 1: which is eight to nine yards, and they're they're converting
Speaker 1: forty six percent of their third and long, which the
Speaker 1: average in the NFL is twenty percent. So when you
Speaker 1: think about getting them into passing situations like that should
Speaker 1: be a favorable thing for the Cowboys and for any team,
Speaker 1: but with cousins and and as Dave was saying, with
Speaker 1: guys like that they have on the outside. Of course,
Speaker 1: with Thompson, a guy that can just get out of
Speaker 1: the backfield, that would just they're never really in a
Speaker 1: safe situation. So I think from a personnel standpoint, that's
Speaker 1: kind of tough for the Cowboys to figure out where
Speaker 1: to match up because if you're completing forty five percent
Speaker 1: forty six percent of your third and long, that means
Speaker 1: that they're finding the mismatches out there. So I think
Speaker 1: that's going to be the big key is to figure
Speaker 1: out where the best personnel packages and sub packages to play,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like anything really phases them even
Speaker 1: and that's why their first second and third and drives
Speaker 1: and length of drives and three and outs that they
Speaker 1: don't have any three and ouns that basically they go
Speaker 1: to ten play drives. They're one of the top of
Speaker 1: the league, so they stay on the field, and I
Speaker 1: think that's because the Kurt Cousins is finding these mismatches.
Speaker 1: You happen to know the flip of that stat like,
Speaker 1: where did the Cowboys rank in getting opponents off the
Speaker 1: field on third and long, third and long? It seems
Speaker 1: to me and This could be a misguided thing, but
Speaker 1: it seems to me like the Cowboys aren't great at that.
Speaker 1: Like it seems like, especially earlier in the season, they
Speaker 1: were having a heart. They get teams into third, and
Speaker 1: they get teams into situations so you think they should
Speaker 1: get off the field, and they wouldn't end up getting
Speaker 1: off the field. Um, And I don't know if it
Speaker 1: seems like that teamy you guys, but that's just the
Speaker 1: way it seemed to me. I'd be interested to know
Speaker 1: that stat and kind of where they rank there, where
Speaker 1: they where the Cowboys rank on the other side of that?
Speaker 1: So not great? Bad? What's there? What's there? What's the
Speaker 1: number that's about thirty one percent? Thirty one about third
Speaker 1: of the time when the Cowboys have a team in
Speaker 1: third and long. Yeah, they allow them to convert the
Speaker 1: average great six nine. No, it's it's bad. Actually it's
Speaker 1: not great. So it's not good. So it's not a
Speaker 1: good matchup. That's particular one. It's not a good matchup
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys because the Redskins do it well and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't do it so well. Basically, Yep, I
Speaker 1: just like I said, this is you know, you want
Speaker 1: to you want to beat everybody. You don't want to
Speaker 1: allow points and yards and stuff. But this is one
Speaker 1: of those games where that that's going to happen and
Speaker 1: you just got to try to work around it in
Speaker 1: order to find a win. All right, So let's go
Speaker 1: back to Chris Thompson a little bit. It seems like
Speaker 1: and I think Dave, you've talked about it. Amber, you
Speaker 1: talked about it. Um, he is obviously going to be
Speaker 1: a threat. How did the Cowboys neutralize that threat? Because, um,
Speaker 1: you would think that that he's probably going to be
Speaker 1: in a lot of situations where linebackers are going to
Speaker 1: have to be chasing him around the field. Do you
Speaker 1: think that this is a task that the linebackers on
Speaker 1: this team are up for? Do you think this is
Speaker 1: one of those situations where you treat him more like
Speaker 1: a receiver and maybe put a safety or or maybe
Speaker 1: even a corner. You try to have those kind of
Speaker 1: guys covering him when he's coming out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: There's no way to say this without sounding mean. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the guy, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: that Anthony Hitchins and Sean Lee are around to not
Speaker 1: put all of this on Jalen Smith UM, which I
Speaker 1: think that's fair though it didn't know I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know it's fair. It's fair, but still don't
Speaker 1: like calling the guy out. But that, I mean, that
Speaker 1: would be an obvious mismatch if Jalen was going to
Speaker 1: have to play fifty six. Yeah, Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a healthy linebacker that can probably stay with
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson. That that's that's part of why he's so dangerous.
Speaker 1: Right now, How did the Eagles do it? Because obviously
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson wasn't a he didn't kill them. So did
Speaker 1: you notice anything about what Philly was doing and how
Speaker 1: they were able to maybe contain him? Pressuring Kirk I
Speaker 1: think is a big part of that. Um. And then
Speaker 1: the other one actually, and I don't have the stats offhand,
Speaker 1: but I mean the Eagles they lost Hicks what a
Speaker 1: minute into that game. By the midpoint of that game,
Speaker 1: they were playing not ideal linebackers and they already had
Speaker 1: one line linebacker out right, I mean, they were playing
Speaker 1: their special teams linebackers there. Uh. The thing with the
Speaker 1: Eagles is they have awesome safeties, and I think that's
Speaker 1: a big part of this and like preferably like the
Speaker 1: coutboys don't. Unfortunately, Yes, that's that's what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: they'll get there. I in all things being equal, I
Speaker 1: would try to match him up with a defensive back
Speaker 1: before a linebacker. But I don't know if they I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good idea on these Like
Speaker 1: a guy like Xavier Woods, I think this might be
Speaker 1: a week where maybe could you could you he's a
Speaker 1: guy like that who is athletic safety but also drops
Speaker 1: down and plays coverage. Like would he be a guy
Speaker 1: that maybe you could do some special things or not
Speaker 1: not every play, obviously you've got to do a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. But he is he a guy that
Speaker 1: maybe can give you a little something there where you
Speaker 1: try to get him to kind of sometimes match up
Speaker 1: with Chris Thompson. Is he a guy that can play
Speaker 1: safety and let Byron Jones come down into the box
Speaker 1: and match up with guys like that? Yes, But the
Speaker 1: only thing about that is how comfortable do you feel
Speaker 1: that Byron Jones can handle that task? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's what he was really good at, wasn't it. And
Speaker 1: when he was covering tight ends? Yeah, I think well,
Speaker 1: just being down there and helping be an athlete. That's
Speaker 1: what he is. That's an athlete. It's not that great
Speaker 1: of a football player right now, but he's a really
Speaker 1: good athlete. And sometimes you can get by and that
Speaker 1: as he's learning the position and he is still learning,
Speaker 1: he's still learning how this goes. And you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done you know, his We talked about this all
Speaker 1: the time, the versatility of Byron Jones to play some
Speaker 1: corner play, some safety, play down play tight ends. It's
Speaker 1: kind of probably affected him because he still hasn't been
Speaker 1: able to just learn this one spot. So the last
Speaker 1: couple of years he is learning. He has played safety mostly,
Speaker 1: but I still think he's a work in progress. Now.
Speaker 1: It's not to answer the question, yeah, I think he
Speaker 1: could be fine with that. And we saw that last
Speaker 1: week that Xavier Woods was playing more of the center
Speaker 1: fielder part and he was playing closer to the line
Speaker 1: that was on one of the third down packages. As
Speaker 1: long as we're talking about this, this is not something
Speaker 1: that I would really expect to see, but we've seen
Speaker 1: a few teams this year play basically big nickel, like
Speaker 1: the Rams use Mark Barron as their nickel linebacker. He's
Speaker 1: really more of a safety. Somebody else did it too,
Speaker 1: maybe the Packers more. Yeah, Morgan Burnett, he plays nickel
Speaker 1: linebacker for the Packers. Byron just be a big nickel.
Speaker 1: Just play Byron? There is he too small for that?
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? I think the Cowboys have done it,
Speaker 1: But they did it with Heath like Heath would be able.
Speaker 1: They've had he that's down there playing. They did that
Speaker 1: with Barry Church. Yeah right, they did it with Barry
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Maybe that's a way you mitigate that
Speaker 1: or whether it's Heath or Buyer in either way, just
Speaker 1: give you a little more athleticism down there at linebacker.
Speaker 1: That is. That is an idea that I like for
Speaker 1: covering a team like this. When you I mean the
Speaker 1: Redskins basically always have It's okay, Vernon Davis and Jordan
Speaker 1: Reader basically receivers, and Chris Thompson's basically a receiver, so
Speaker 1: like they have a minimum of four receivers on the
Speaker 1: field at any given time. Really when you think about it,
Speaker 1: so give me all the athleticism and speed you got,
Speaker 1: you're gonna need it. I mean linebackers, Yeah, you do
Speaker 1: have Sean Lee back and together with Anthony Hitchins. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't think they were great
Speaker 1: and outstanding On the last game, you know, against the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. We saw them do a good job,
Speaker 1: but it's not at the level that we expected to be. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm as big a fan of Anthony Hitchins as
Speaker 1: you're gonna find, but I just don't know if his
Speaker 1: game translates to this kind of matchup. Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: wha wait, you're like I said, this is a wide open,
Speaker 1: throwing the ball around offense where I mean, how much
Speaker 1: are the Redskins even really going to be traditionally running
Speaker 1: the ball? Right? Maybe they'll try it because the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't been good at stopping it. That's something worth considering,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. And Anthony Hitchins is fine in coverage,
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, that's not his strong suit, you
Speaker 1: know which Again I'm thinking, like, how can I get
Speaker 1: as many defensive backs onto the field to help cover
Speaker 1: all these guys. That's that's what I'm thinking. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they agree with me, but just kind of
Speaker 1: thinking out loud right now. All right, One of the
Speaker 1: questions I have for you guys with regard to this
Speaker 1: right now, you Dave, you mentioned all the different receiving
Speaker 1: options that they have. Which of those guys do you
Speaker 1: think is the biggest threat? I pose this question to
Speaker 1: the table. Anybody can jump in, but which do you
Speaker 1: think is the biggest receiving threat. We've already talked about
Speaker 1: the running back and Chris Thompson. But which of the
Speaker 1: receivers is the biggest pose of the biggest threat for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Well, and couldn't we say read yeah, tight
Speaker 1: end wid yeah, because I think that the corners are
Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job. I guess. I mean, when
Speaker 1: they go up against a Hall of Famer, they're gonna
Speaker 1: probably give up a you know, have a tough night
Speaker 1: like they did with Larry. But I think for the
Speaker 1: most part, it's the tight ends that that that give
Speaker 1: this team a lot of issues. And Reid has done
Speaker 1: it in the past. And like you guys have said,
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is playing Wellson. Now you have a couple
Speaker 1: of options there, and you're gonna be focused on trying
Speaker 1: to get Chris Thompson out of the backfield, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where the tight end will be will exploit
Speaker 1: them so that that would be my pick there. Those
Speaker 1: other receivers are good, and then there was you know,
Speaker 1: they got a mix of receivers, big guys, little guys.
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis scares me in this game because I mean,
Speaker 1: Jordan Reid's great and he killed him last year. But
Speaker 1: I assume they'll focus on him. They'll have an idea. Plus,
Speaker 1: he's got injury problems that maybe will slow him up.
Speaker 1: But Vernon Davis is kind of like that forgotten guy
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's running crossing routes. He's running
Speaker 1: down the seam like you said they run on the
Speaker 1: outside sometimes and going downfield. Yeah, I just I just
Speaker 1: think he's gonna hit some plays in this game because
Speaker 1: he's sort of the forgotten man, because we just said
Speaker 1: he's probably optioned four on this team in terms of
Speaker 1: like where you would prefer to go, which means he's
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is the type of guy that's going to
Speaker 1: draw out Anthony Hitchins. And I don't like that matchup
Speaker 1: for Anthony Hitchins at all because he at one point,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he still is, but at one
Speaker 1: point he was a four or five guy, like he
Speaker 1: can run he's a big guy, but he can run,
Speaker 1: and if he's even anywhere close to that at this point,
Speaker 1: that presents a lot of matchup challenges, especially if flyingbackers
Speaker 1: are trying to cover him. You have one ember well,
Speaker 1: I would say, for example, any wide receiver. Honestly, it's
Speaker 1: a fair game here, just because I don't feel comfortable
Speaker 1: enough just yet with the corners we have, so any
Speaker 1: of those is a fair game at this point, and
Speaker 1: anyone on any given week can can get off on you,
Speaker 1: right Yeah. I mean I'm not feeling one hundred percent
Speaker 1: comfortable with the guys we have defense right now to
Speaker 1: where I could be like, Okay, this wide receiver isn't
Speaker 1: that great. He's not an All Pro all Star. No,
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter at this point. You have to be
Speaker 1: worried about every guy right now. They don't have all
Speaker 1: pro corners for sure. Now. I do know that after
Speaker 1: the game they were already talking about Scandrick Anthony Brown.
Speaker 1: That might have been someone else over there talking about
Speaker 1: wanting to match up. Now, that doesn't mean they will
Speaker 1: wanting to match up against Washington. They want to They
Speaker 1: want to go. You know, I got him, you got him,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like that against a team like
Speaker 1: Washington because as what do you guys just finished saying
Speaker 1: they have such different kinds of receivers, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean who gets Crowder? I mean they got a lot
Speaker 1: of guys I would I would hope. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's a slot guy, you would think, and then you
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown. I mean there's not a great matchup
Speaker 1: for Prior. Then, although Prior last week at least, Prior
Speaker 1: has moved down the depth chart something. Yeah, something's up
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah where he's Yeah, he's like almost an afterthought. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is weird to me. I read an article that
Speaker 1: that he was basically saying he wasn't upset about the
Speaker 1: fact that he got demoted or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's not. He is not getting the same
Speaker 1: playing time he was getting at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: Toxin seems to be the guy that's the benefactor of that.
Speaker 1: He's getting more playing time. So, and he's a big guy.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can go up and get it.
Speaker 1: So do you have a great matchup for him, like
Speaker 1: a corner that's big and tall and range that can
Speaker 1: that can you know, defend him? Now, you definitely don't
Speaker 1: don't have that guy, but um, you know you got
Speaker 1: some crafty guys, I mean Brown and Um, you know,
Speaker 1: Jordan lewis to me like he's just he's just a scrapper.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just gonna keep fighting. And I think
Speaker 1: he's the best cornerback on the team right now. I'm
Speaker 1: not just as a rookie. I think he is the
Speaker 1: best corner you know. He kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: Just I don't know. Sometimes I see him out there,
Speaker 1: it just reminds me of him Mike Dinkins. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, because I don't know that I compare their
Speaker 1: games quite a bit, but just I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of the way he's like the way he
Speaker 1: looks out there. For some reason, it reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit of Joring. He's been good and obviously has
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. Yesterday I was breaking down someplace
Speaker 1: with Brian brought us and I noticed like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different times where he's still unable to keep
Speaker 1: up with the guy he's covering, Like he creates a
Speaker 1: big separation and he's still trying to get you know,
Speaker 1: the speed of this game and trying to learn how
Speaker 1: to stay with the guy he's covering. So yes, he
Speaker 1: has a lot of good positive things and a good
Speaker 1: a lot of areas to develop and he'll be great
Speaker 1: at one point, but still a rookie and you can't
Speaker 1: also rely on him. And they just didn't. They need
Speaker 1: to figure it out. They just get there. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot in training camp, you know,
Speaker 1: and we saw last year at all and play at
Speaker 1: all training camp just saying that's right, he didn't. I
Speaker 1: was thinking preseason games, but yeah, he didn't have he
Speaker 1: didn't practice, didn't do anything. So when you think about
Speaker 1: last year, Zig didn't do much, Collins didn't do much.
Speaker 1: You know, they still came out and and maybe a
Speaker 1: slow start here and there, but but they played really well.
Speaker 1: I mean, and Jordan Lewis in the same same boat.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work for everyone. Thankfully, Dak did play a
Speaker 1: lot in the preseason because of that helped him so
Speaker 1: different for different positions and all that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see some cases where even
Speaker 1: if you don't do much in training camp, if you're
Speaker 1: you know, if you're able to come in and do it,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's something to be said for the fact
Speaker 1: that Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 1: kind of prepared to play, and so when they when
Speaker 1: they get thrown into Mile High for their first game,
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, this is cool, this is loud.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of when I played at Ohio State that
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, you know, doesn't scare me at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the different I mean, obviously the talent levels different,
Speaker 1: but like I mean, yeah, but if you played at
Speaker 1: a major college program, you've you've seen it all. You've
Speaker 1: you've played in front of bigger crowds. Thing you get
Speaker 1: in the NFL, Yeah, you played, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: I was talking about that. It's kind of unrelated. But
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, you know, like people
Speaker 1: went to Nebraska because Nebraska was one of like eight
Speaker 1: or nine programs that was on TV on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Everybody's on TV now, Yah, Tulane gets TV games, I
Speaker 1: mean everybody there's I mean, if you've played major college football,
Speaker 1: you've been on national TV several dozen times. You've had
Speaker 1: laid in front of sixty two, one hundred thousand people
Speaker 1: several dozen times. If you had a major program you're
Speaker 1: playing on TV every week? Yeah, every week, not not
Speaker 1: really every game. Again, every every game in Division one
Speaker 1: is on TV, every game, every single every game. So
Speaker 1: Rice versus versus Texas San Antonio is on TV. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it takes time. I know it takes time to
Speaker 1: adjust to the speed and the increase in talent in
Speaker 1: the NFL. But in terms of like being scatitude because
Speaker 1: you're a rookie, yeah, like I don't. I don't see
Speaker 1: that being a thing. All right, we're gonna take our
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Speaker 1: You get the point. So Dave, we're having it. There's
Speaker 1: a little spat. Nobody noticed. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: part of this, so I'm just gonna you're having some
Speaker 1: issues today. The Washington Offense by the way I just
Speaker 1: think they're The Redskins are eighth in total offense and
Speaker 1: sixth in passing offense. I already said that they're only
Speaker 1: eleventh and scoring offense, which again goes back to the
Speaker 1: red Z zone. Yep, they average twenty three points per game,
Speaker 1: which honestly that it should be better if you have
Speaker 1: as many weapons as logging, cover baby clogging. I think
Speaker 1: that's your best bet. Yep. All right, so let's get
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Speaker 1: Yes already, Um, Dave, you was saying the big nickel
Speaker 1: with Byron, with mister Jones. But the problem is he
Speaker 1: is not a tackling person. He's not physically able to
Speaker 1: do that. And Washington will run the ball. Um. I
Speaker 1: consider myself a football know it all thanks to Dave
Speaker 1: and Brian from the Draft Show, and they are going
Speaker 1: to try to run the ball, pound the ball, and
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan did a tweet that he looks forward to
Speaker 1: seeing us again and m last show you saying about
Speaker 1: the last year contracts, and there's really no one else
Speaker 1: to think about, Um, David Irving, Anthony Hitchons, Bryce Butler,
Speaker 1: even Jonathan Cooper. Thanks guys who are have a good day,
Speaker 1: and I look forward to hearing from your thinker. All right, thanks,
Speaker 1: I'll throw David Irving is You're absolutely right, he is
Speaker 1: coming up. He's technically in a contract year, but he
Speaker 1: is in a very specific position for he's as he
Speaker 1: was exclusive rights free agent. Basically, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: pretend to know the ins and outs of it, but
Speaker 1: he's in a situation where the Cowboys can keep him.
Speaker 1: If they want to keep he'll be restricted though, right right?
Speaker 1: He so they offer him a tender he was exclusive
Speaker 1: rights this past year. Um, it'd be interesting. It's it's
Speaker 1: far easier to keep David Irving than your typical free agent.
Speaker 1: Put it that way, it's the same. It's very similar
Speaker 1: to the Ron Leary situation, but but the years ago.
Speaker 1: But the question will be what tender do they put
Speaker 1: on him? Right? Do they go first round tender, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, let means you got to pay him. Is
Speaker 1: it first, second, and sixth or something like that, like first,
Speaker 1: second in original? Yeah? And what's interesting he was drafted, right? No?
Speaker 1: Are you sure? I'm fairly sure. I thought he was drafted,
Speaker 1: because even if he wasn't drafted by your team, it
Speaker 1: is where he was drafted. Yeah. Still I thought it
Speaker 1: was a fifth rounder. But even if he's not, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what you would want to lose David
Speaker 1: irv you're gonna go put a first or a second
Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, you probably put the second round tender
Speaker 1: on him, and just if somebody wants to sign him,
Speaker 1: then you'll get a second round pick for him. What
Speaker 1: would you do first or second? David Irving was undrafted? Undrafted? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well then I mean then that that goes out and
Speaker 1: you don't you're not gonna do the you know, original one.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be first or second. I probably would. I
Speaker 1: need to look at the money figures again. But somebody,
Speaker 1: somebody might put a second rounder, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: what if that's what you need? What if you're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we need to get a big defensive end,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle guy in this league, and we'll take him
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. Go ahead and pay David Irving,
Speaker 1: and then you'll lose a second round pick. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want to lose a second round pick
Speaker 1: for David Irving. The reason why I asked that question is,
Speaker 1: what do you want to say? That is because like
Speaker 1: looking at defensive ends, good defensive ends. We saw it
Speaker 1: this last year. It's once you get to even the
Speaker 1: late first round, finding a really good defensive end, it's
Speaker 1: probably pretty hard, and one that I think already has
Speaker 1: gone through those learning periods. Right Like it took to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence a little while to get there, it took
Speaker 1: Irving a while to get there. He was an undrafted guy,
Speaker 1: but it took him a while to get to the
Speaker 1: point where he was at least giving you, at least
Speaker 1: giving you something. Not to say, he's great. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that, but I just don't know if if I
Speaker 1: think I can replace his production, at least in the
Speaker 1: short term with a second round pick. And I hear
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying, it's going to be an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: But he's easier to keep if you want to keep him,
Speaker 1: then you're typical. You don't have to. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not sitting here worrying about if you're gonna need to
Speaker 1: pay him twenty million dollars not a franchise tag to
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence or or you know, yeah, exactly, we're forgetting
Speaker 1: another contract in this because he's not up yet. But
Speaker 1: you know that Zack Martin's going to be a body
Speaker 1: that they have to sign this year. Is this gonna
Speaker 1: be his fifth year option? You? Yeah, you go into
Speaker 1: the fifth year. I just there's no way. There's no
Speaker 1: way that they play a football game in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: without him having a contract. I Next training camp will help.
Speaker 1: Next training camp probably preferably sooner than that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody somebody did email us about that, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's gonna be interesting with DeMarcus and Zach. Um
Speaker 1: gotta clear up. I mean, they gotta get some money.
Speaker 1: I would assume, like I don't. I don't assume there's
Speaker 1: that much money sitting out there right now. They just
Speaker 1: sign those two. They need to sign those guys. But
Speaker 1: I would think before you really get into not maybe
Speaker 1: not both of them, but you want to figure some
Speaker 1: things out before you get into free agency next year,
Speaker 1: because you know how strong they've been in signing free
Speaker 1: agency these last two years. The thing with hey Shot,
Speaker 1: the thing with me is there probably there probably is
Speaker 1: enough money to pay them both, but they but extend them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have enough money to tag
Speaker 1: DeMarcus and then sign Zach because that's a lump sum
Speaker 1: that because with the extension, basically you can extrapolate. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to. I got you could give DeMarcus
Speaker 1: a two million dollars salary to start and keep your
Speaker 1: numbers low. Yeah. Well, as far as the Cappus, what
Speaker 1: are we thinking is the guaranteed money for DeMarcus Lawrence?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't either, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it got to be deep. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: ends the season where he is now, which is at
Speaker 1: the top of the league in sacks, it's going to
Speaker 1: be significant forty maybe something like that, because I'm just
Speaker 1: saying if it's in the if it's in the range
Speaker 1: of is this other than quarterback? Is this the most
Speaker 1: highly paid position in the league. Well, Well, the reason
Speaker 1: why I say this, the franchise tag is eight eighteen million.
Speaker 1: So that's the one year guarantee. So if he's going
Speaker 1: to sign a three or four or five year deal,
Speaker 1: guarantees gonna have to be a lot more than that,
Speaker 1: you know, forties it's des deal was like what forty
Speaker 1: five guarantees? Yeah, And I think Olivier Vernon. Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: is a great comparison, I think because he had similar
Speaker 1: Like he really only had one amazing year. But the
Speaker 1: thing with Olivier Vernon is that his whole resume I
Speaker 1: think was better. I mean, he was productive most of
Speaker 1: the time he was in Miami and then he blew up,
Speaker 1: whereas DeMarcus has obviously had his struggles, but he's really
Speaker 1: blowing up in this contract year. And I'm sitting and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Logic doesn't really apply because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: he got suspended, he had these back injuries, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: like that should affect all of that. But like, if
Speaker 1: he hits the open market and somebody with a boatload
Speaker 1: of money wants to give it to him, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and there will be somebody out there ready to give
Speaker 1: him that money. But I will say this, Nick, and
Speaker 1: I think this goes back to what you were saying
Speaker 1: about Dez Bryan. That twelve million he's due next year.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's feasible the Cowboys would cut him.
Speaker 1: I do think, and I know you guys said you
Speaker 1: didn't want to see it happen. I do think it's
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing to consider that they will try to
Speaker 1: extend him so that that twelve million now becomes a
Speaker 1: lot more palatable. He'll still get his money, but they'll
Speaker 1: just extend him out so that they can just cut
Speaker 1: the amount that'll be on the side. I wouldn't mind.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind extending him. What I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: do is restructure that deal, which is what they love
Speaker 1: to do, which bumps you down in the coming year
Speaker 1: and then bumps you up in the years after that,
Speaker 1: because that just makes the deal less palatable. But if
Speaker 1: they extend him now, they extend the number of years,
Speaker 1: they can extrapolate some of that money on right, and
Speaker 1: that it gives you the ability to lower it without
Speaker 1: necessarily killing yourself down the road. You just basically say,
Speaker 1: we gotta we'll have him on our team for longer,
Speaker 1: or at least we'll be doing He'll be doing money
Speaker 1: for longer than needs to do money. Right now, That's
Speaker 1: that's not as easy of a decision as you would think.
Speaker 1: Because they need to get better at the wide receiver spot.
Speaker 1: We know that, and not just with that, just that
Speaker 1: you just need to get better. But des is so
Speaker 1: valuable on the team, you know, just for other reasons,
Speaker 1: just because of the energy that he brings. Just that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't think he yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a He's one of the faces of the French
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying that. I just think
Speaker 1: that they'll have a tough decision to make. They're gonna
Speaker 1: need to look at it. I don't think you cut
Speaker 1: a salary and lower it. It'll it'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: see what happens. But they need to get better there.
Speaker 1: But I let me say one more thing about David Irving.
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the last few years,
Speaker 1: guys that are coming up to be restricted free agents,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if the Cowboys don't try to sign
Speaker 1: him before this, before he gets to that point three
Speaker 1: year deal. You know, he's about to blow up. And
Speaker 1: so I think they might look at it that way. Go,
Speaker 1: let's just get see if we can get a three
Speaker 1: or four year deal, you know, and because he can't
Speaker 1: go anywhere anyways, so so you have a little bit
Speaker 1: of leverage right now. Yeah, all I'm saying is before
Speaker 1: the season ends, I wouldn't be surprised if David Irving
Speaker 1: signs an extension. And then the caller's point, I know
Speaker 1: Hitchins is out there, that's behind DeMarcus. He's probably your
Speaker 1: biggest true free agent heading in twenty eighteen. Cooper and Bryce.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to worry about that just yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it happens to come back around, then it comes
Speaker 1: back around. But we just we don't even know what
Speaker 1: type of body of work they're going to have put
Speaker 1: together by the end of the season. But Bryce signed
Speaker 1: for basically veteran minimum last spring, and I don't know
Speaker 1: that he's done enough yet to where I'm draft pastically
Speaker 1: altering what I want to do there. Would you be
Speaker 1: willing to pay Cooper not big money, but pay him
Speaker 1: decent money. Let's assume that they play well the rest
Speaker 1: of the season and this offensive line starts to gel
Speaker 1: around him being a part of that mix. Are you
Speaker 1: willing to maybe go in and do that, or you
Speaker 1: just look at that and say, hey, that's a position.
Speaker 1: I'd look at the draft next year and try to
Speaker 1: get myself a young guard, throw him in there for
Speaker 1: cheap that I would much rather do that. But you know, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just it's like I kind of kind of paint
Speaker 1: myself in a corner there because I've said all along
Speaker 1: I thought they should have resigned Ron Leary. If it
Speaker 1: gets to the situation again, you know, on one hand,
Speaker 1: you could say, yeah, don't don't let that happen again.
Speaker 1: Sign Cooper. Or you could say, well, it'll just happen again.
Speaker 1: Just find the next Leary, find the next Cooper. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind and you'll have to go through that growing pain,
Speaker 1: to those growing pains. But hey, if it's okay, or
Speaker 1: you are really good at drafting people and you find
Speaker 1: a guy who's a badass right away, yeah, but are
Speaker 1: you gonna do that later? Because you're not gonna use
Speaker 1: a first round pick on him, right you got too
Speaker 1: many other places where you gotta go. I have confidence that,
Speaker 1: like where are you picking? Though it's hard, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to determine that. But I'm just saying, if
Speaker 1: you're sitting in. Let's say the steam turns around, gets
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and they're picking early twenties, early twenties,
Speaker 1: and you've got a chance to get one of the
Speaker 1: best guards. I mean, Zack Martin is going to be
Speaker 1: a twelve year pro bowler called proud and he went sixteenth.
Speaker 1: Would you go another first rounder though, like we just
Speaker 1: finished talking about other areas of this team, if he's
Speaker 1: the best value yers, yeah, I have a high amount
Speaker 1: of confidence that a guard that's talented enough to be
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick would be great on this
Speaker 1: line between Tyrn Smith and Travis Fred Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: didn't have to be a third rounder. Yeah, Chads Green
Speaker 1: was picked ninety whatever, and I think we can all
Speaker 1: agree it's more his health than his talent that holds
Speaker 1: him back. That's also why you're down in the third
Speaker 1: round is because it's not so much about the talent,
Speaker 1: it's about the durability. Right trade Turner from LSU is
Speaker 1: the guy they would have drafted if they hadn't trade
Speaker 1: up for DeMarcus Lawrence, and he is. He's great. He's
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber guard. The Panthers got him at
Speaker 1: like seventy something. I already got the Cowboys first round pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's not a guard either, Glad, it's
Speaker 1: a fast wide receiver. Tell him, tell him who it is.
Speaker 1: Can't tell him who's going to be playing for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys next year. And Christian kirk there's no doubt. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's RMANI Watts. Hopefully that's a good one too. Yeah, safety,
Speaker 1: I'd take him, Okay, I'd take Christian Kirk. Yeah, Christian
Speaker 1: kirk Man that guy overdes though. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no not. I get crazy. You'd have to take
Speaker 1: him in the first round. I know. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be don't you know we don't have to
Speaker 1: play him right Overdaz right now. I'm just fans are
Speaker 1: gonna riot if they draft the receiver in the first round.
Speaker 1: Why why? I don't think so, because it's not a
Speaker 1: badass playmaker. Just just show, just show all the games
Speaker 1: at the stadium that he's played against Arkansas and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what the guy's done at at and T Stadium.
Speaker 1: Kickoff return here, eighty three yards here? Yeah. How about
Speaker 1: how about a safety or a cornerback or a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I'll take that safety. Yeah, I'll take that safety. All right,
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