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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: wall with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, October twenty fifth, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Season thirteen, episode number sixty one. Welcome to another edition

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Speaker 1: of The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios

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Speaker 1: at the Star. And today we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: Cowboys versus Redskins. It is Redskins Week. Cowboys will travel

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Speaker 1: to Washington on Saturday and then on Sunday at three

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Speaker 1: twenty five they'll kick off against the Redskins. How's everybody

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Speaker 1: doing this morning? Well, I'm doing outstanding. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about the rest of the group. I'm doing fine. Dave

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Speaker 1: good rip, Fats Domino pass away? Yeah he just passed away.

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Speaker 1: It is said, Yeah, didn't I baby King passed away?

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Speaker 1: What it last within the last year or at last

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Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half or so. But Blues

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Speaker 1: Legend New England Zone Fats Domino. Alright, we were kind

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Speaker 1: of talking about blues a little bit, so well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I think Prince is bluesy No, okay, no, just he

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Speaker 1: passed away too, Michael Jackson, Seleno, how long are we gonna? Yep,

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Speaker 1: just just keep going, I guess, all right, but how

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Speaker 1: are you this? Maybe maybe Elvis, maybe Tupac? All right,

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Speaker 1: just glad to be alive right now? Wow, that is

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Speaker 1: always an acceptable answer for whatever it's worth. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: better than the alternative crazy. It makes it sound like

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Speaker 1: it was a close call or something. No, every day

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Speaker 1: could be a close call. You never ever know every day.

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Speaker 1: I'm cheflin. It's true that also. All right, let's get

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Speaker 1: into some football. Let's talk some Cowboys and Redskin before

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Speaker 1: we do that, though, I do want to start first

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Speaker 1: with the news that came out yesterday evening. Cowboys make

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Speaker 1: a decision with the kicker, and I think there are

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Speaker 1: two parts of this story. Number one the guy that

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Speaker 1: they brought in and number two the guy that they

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Speaker 1: brought in, Mike Nugent. He is being brought in and

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Speaker 1: replaced Dan Bailey. Just to give you, guys, an idea

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Speaker 1: of kind of statistically what he was last year. He

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Speaker 1: seems to be a pretty steady kicker if you're less

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Speaker 1: For some reason, for some reason, last year he had

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Speaker 1: a really tough time with extra points. He was only

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Speaker 1: twenty three of twenty nine on extra points. But when

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Speaker 1: he was nine of nine twenty to twenty nine yards.

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Speaker 1: He was five or seven for forty to forty nine yards.

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Speaker 1: Oh of three beyond fifty. But okay, that's acceptable. That's

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Speaker 1: a you know, that's not a gimmey anyway, It's not

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Speaker 1: acceptable now when Dan Bailey's the guy, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: for a guy that was on the street, that didn't

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Speaker 1: acceptable if I'll tell you like this, if he fixes

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Speaker 1: is a guy that's reliable for fifty for less than fifty,

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Speaker 1: I'll take that, would you not? I get your point,

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Speaker 1: But it's sure is nice. I could have been different there.

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Speaker 1: Just it's not acceptable, but it's more understandable, I guess.

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Speaker 1: plan around that. Right. We know that extra points make

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Speaker 1: a difference, But I'm just glad that right now the

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Speaker 1: So hopefully all that's fixed. I mean, Dan Bailey. Everyone

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Speaker 1: He's been a pretty good kicker throughout his career, and

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Speaker 1: with this. I know why he wasn't cut. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: was Ormer. This kind of goes back to um to

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Speaker 1: not trying to say that Demontre Moore's DeMarcus ware Like

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Speaker 1: he had five tackles and no sacks. It's not like

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Speaker 1: that's not true. This isn't going to alter their prospects.

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Speaker 1: But it's just weird, and I just it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: that's where it is. I mean, if I Demontre Moore

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Speaker 1: that might have been why he didn't play. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: that wasn't his only indiscretion, Like coming in the door.

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Speaker 1: He had some past things that had gone on, not

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Speaker 1: all the different weapons that they have and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's a good quarterback. The thing I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: is again that offensive line and this is as good

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Speaker 1: as the Dallas pass rush has been in the last

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Speaker 1: five or six years. So I think that's that's your

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Speaker 1: best bet is this isn't a running game that I

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Speaker 1: think can take over the game, and so hopefully DeMarcus

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and company will be able to get some wins

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Speaker 1: and get him on the ground, which should hopefully mitigate this.

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Speaker 1: Based on what you were able to see, especially in

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Speaker 1: the second half of that game against Philadelphia and how

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Speaker 1: the defensive front for the Eagles was able to I think,

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Speaker 1: really start taking over that game in the second half.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Cowboys can do a similar thing

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Speaker 1: with facing a banged up Washington Redskins office, because I

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Speaker 1: do think that offensive line in Washington is really good,

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Speaker 1: but banged up. Do you think Dallas has the horses

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Speaker 1: to be able to get after all? Was that just

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Speaker 1: a function of the fact that Philly's front is just

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Speaker 1: so good. Well, you know, Dallas can can try to

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Speaker 1: get after him. But the problem is is we've seen

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Speaker 1: so many times they're not that great at blitzing. They

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Speaker 1: don't seem to get home, and then when that happens,

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Speaker 1: then obviously they're vulnerable in the secondary. And we know

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Speaker 1: what they are with the safeties. I mean that that

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Speaker 1: right there. It's not what I'm going to be concerned about.

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Speaker 1: But but I am concerned about the fact that the

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Speaker 1: safeties don't cover the tight end well. And the last

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Speaker 1: time Jordan Reid was playing with like one arm and

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Speaker 1: still in Thanksgiving Day games, still had like ten catches

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Speaker 1: or so two touchdowns. And Vernon Davis is playing as

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Speaker 1: well as he has been since joining this team. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough tight end matchup. And you know, obviously the

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Speaker 1: safeties have had some issues covering d linebackers too. Who

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Speaker 1: I mean, they don't do well against the tight end.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of like I said, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna shut these guys down. I think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna put up some stats and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: disheartening to a degree. But and that I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: my I guess my hope. If they're gonna play well

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Speaker 1: and win this I think they're going to take advantage

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Speaker 1: of this offensive line, and you know, three four sacks

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Speaker 1: could go a long way in helping to limit that.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take our first break. When we come

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Speaker 1: back from the break, I want to hear from Amber

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Speaker 1: the second segment of the break Clive from the s

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Speaker 1: WBC More Hits Studios. Yes, Sar, we're talking Cowboys versus Redskins.

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Speaker 1: Today we're focusing in on the Cowboys off I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: the Redskins offense versus the Cowboys defense. Did Dave did

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Speaker 1: a wonderful job of giving us a scouting report on

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Speaker 1: this team. Thanks Derek, and so now it is time

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Speaker 1: for Nick and Amber to give us their thoughts. Tell

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Speaker 1: me one, sorry, I forgot something really important. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Uh red zone, that's another big thing. Okay, what go ahead?

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Speaker 1: I just was that. I'm so I think you just

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Speaker 1: took everything. Go ahead, go ahead, okay, good, okay, good,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, they finish your point. They just they just

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Speaker 1: haven't been great at it. Uh. They're ten, they're ten

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Speaker 1: of nineteen on the year, their end of nineteen. So wait,

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Speaker 1: is that is that red zone touchdowns or red zone points?

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Speaker 1: It's the red zone scoring. But that's that's so six

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Speaker 1: of they've only scored a touchdown on six of those ten.

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Speaker 1: They've said to oh wow, so there's what's happened to

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Speaker 1: so not yet nine they what turnovers or or fuel

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Speaker 1: goals and then turnovers and um and miss field goals

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Speaker 1: because they've had they had you know, they had to

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Speaker 1: replace their kicker. Yeah, and stuff like that kind of

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Speaker 1: sounds familiar here. Yeah. Um, so it hasn't been good.

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Speaker 1: And now it was Dustin Hopkins, he's on ir Bath

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Speaker 1: it is now most it's Nick Rose Ross Yeah, I him.

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Speaker 1: You never well they remember a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: the guy that was always missing at Texas. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Nick Rose. Yeah, he's their new kicker. Yeah. So but

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Speaker 1: I mean, and fans don't want to hear the fans

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Speaker 1: are tired of the bend don't break thing. I get that,

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Speaker 1: but that is another place where that's probably gonna be

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Speaker 1: your best bet is to force them to set up

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Speaker 1: for fuel goals which they might miss or maybe get

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Speaker 1: some turnovers down there. But for a team with a

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Speaker 1: quarterback as good as I think Kirk Cousins is, they're

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Speaker 1: not great at cashing in on scoring drives. It actually

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Speaker 1: brings up a good point. I'm sorry, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest plays of the season last year

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Speaker 1: was an interception in the end zone Bury Church. Yeah, Cousins,

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Speaker 1: really bad decision. That actually does bring up another point, Dave.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that the turnovers they were right now thirtieth

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Speaker 1: in the league. And fumbles lost they have seven on

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Speaker 1: the season. That's a big number of times that they've

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Speaker 1: given the ball away fumbling in a way. So that's

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Speaker 1: something for the now Cowboys. Don't necessarily take advantage that

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Speaker 1: this last game that we're able to get some some

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Speaker 1: of those, but that hasn't been something that they've done

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Speaker 1: really great all season. But this may be an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for them because this team does have a tendency to

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Speaker 1: give the ball away. So Amber, what's the one thing

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Speaker 1: if you had one thing that you would say concerns

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Speaker 1: you or should concern fans about this Washington offense versus

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Speaker 1: the Dallas defense, what would it be. I mean, y'all

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Speaker 1: have pretty much covered every single area, so it's kind

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Speaker 1: of hard to go back and repeat whatever, you know.

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Speaker 1: But my main guy, and I think everyone agrees, would

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Speaker 1: be Chris Thompson. But now I would put everything on

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins just because again the offensive line, how bad

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Speaker 1: it is Dallas. The offensive line, We've seen what they've done,

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Speaker 1: especially in this last game playing against the rookie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but still maybe they're going, you know, in a groove,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna keep that going and get better and

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Speaker 1: really take advantage of their bad offensive line. Now, I

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Speaker 1: think he's able to get rid of the ball pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: and he's able to play around and move around and

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Speaker 1: get out of the pocket and still be able to

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Speaker 1: make plays. And the Dallas scout with defense is going

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Speaker 1: to have to take advantage of that too, given the

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Speaker 1: fact that if they're able to pressure him and he

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Speaker 1: gets rid of that ball quickly, maybe get some turnovers.

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Speaker 1: One note is that I was looking at what they

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Speaker 1: they've been doing and apparently they're not gonna practice until tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: so they're gonna have an extra day off just given

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're so banked up, and yeah, their

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Speaker 1: coach doesn't want to mess with them, just kinda give

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Speaker 1: them time to recover. They're just gonna go through some

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Speaker 1: drills and walk throughs and just kind of keep studying

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Speaker 1: the Dallas team, the whole team. But hopefully that's another

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Speaker 1: thing that helps them, just the fact that they haven't

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Speaker 1: been able to have that extra day off and coming

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Speaker 1: off a Monday night game. So Dallas really has a

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Speaker 1: lot of good advantages here. Why are you shaking your

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Speaker 1: head on? Are you done? That? Is that the end

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Speaker 1: of it? What? What was that? I just bit my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? All right. Number one, I think when

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Speaker 1: you look at what the Redskins are doing, um, I

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Speaker 1: think the interesting part of third and long third and long,

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Speaker 1: which is eight to nine yards, and they're they're converting

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Speaker 1: forty six percent of their third and long, which the

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Speaker 1: average in the NFL is twenty percent. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about getting them into passing situations like that should

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Speaker 1: be a favorable thing for the Cowboys and for any team,

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Speaker 1: but with cousins and and as Dave was saying, with

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Speaker 1: guys like that they have on the outside. Of course,

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Speaker 1: with Thompson, a guy that can just get out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield, that would just they're never really in a

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Speaker 1: safe situation. So I think from a personnel standpoint, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of tough for the Cowboys to figure out where

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Speaker 1: to match up because if you're completing forty five percent

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Speaker 1: forty six percent of your third and long, that means

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Speaker 1: that they're finding the mismatches out there. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's going to be the big key is to figure

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Speaker 1: out where the best personnel packages and sub packages to play,

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like anything really phases them even

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Speaker 1: and that's why their first second and third and drives

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Speaker 1: and length of drives and three and outs that they

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Speaker 1: don't have any three and ouns that basically they go

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Speaker 1: to ten play drives. They're one of the top of

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Speaker 1: the league, so they stay on the field, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's because the Kurt Cousins is finding these mismatches.

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Speaker 1: You happen to know the flip of that stat like,

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Speaker 1: where did the Cowboys rank in getting opponents off the

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Speaker 1: field on third and long, third and long? It seems

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Speaker 1: to me and This could be a misguided thing, but

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Speaker 1: it seems to me like the Cowboys aren't great at that.

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Speaker 1: Like it seems like, especially earlier in the season, they

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Speaker 1: were having a heart. They get teams into third, and

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Speaker 1: they get teams into situations so you think they should

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Speaker 1: get off the field, and they wouldn't end up getting

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Speaker 1: off the field. Um, And I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: seems like that teamy you guys, but that's just the

637
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: way it seemed to me. I'd be interested to know

638
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: that stat and kind of where they rank there, where

639
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: they where the Cowboys rank on the other side of that?

640
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: So not great? Bad? What's there? What's there? What's the

641
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: number that's about thirty one percent? Thirty one about third

642
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: of the time when the Cowboys have a team in

643
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: third and long. Yeah, they allow them to convert the

644
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: average great six nine. No, it's it's bad. Actually it's

645
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: not great. So it's not good. So it's not a

646
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: good matchup. That's particular one. It's not a good matchup

647
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys because the Redskins do it well and

648
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't do it so well. Basically, Yep, I

649
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: just like I said, this is you know, you want

650
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: to you want to beat everybody. You don't want to

651
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: allow points and yards and stuff. But this is one

652
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: of those games where that that's going to happen and

653
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: you just got to try to work around it in

654
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: order to find a win. All right, So let's go

655
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: back to Chris Thompson a little bit. It seems like

656
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and I think Dave, you've talked about it. Amber, you

657
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: talked about it. Um, he is obviously going to be

658
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: a threat. How did the Cowboys neutralize that threat? Because, um,

659
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: you would think that that he's probably going to be

660
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: in a lot of situations where linebackers are going to

661
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: have to be chasing him around the field. Do you

662
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: think that this is a task that the linebackers on

663
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: this team are up for? Do you think this is

664
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: one of those situations where you treat him more like

665
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: a receiver and maybe put a safety or or maybe

666
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: even a corner. You try to have those kind of

667
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: guys covering him when he's coming out of the backfield.

668
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: There's no way to say this without sounding mean. And

669
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the guy, but I'm glad

670
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: that Anthony Hitchins and Sean Lee are around to not

671
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: put all of this on Jalen Smith UM, which I

672
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: think that's fair though it didn't know I mean, you know,

673
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: but you know it's fair. It's fair, but still don't

674
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: like calling the guy out. But that, I mean, that

675
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: would be an obvious mismatch if Jalen was going to

676
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: have to play fifty six. Yeah, Um, I don't know

677
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: if there's a healthy linebacker that can probably stay with

678
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson. That that's that's part of why he's so dangerous.

679
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Right now, How did the Eagles do it? Because obviously

680
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: Chris Thompson wasn't a he didn't kill them. So did

681
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: you notice anything about what Philly was doing and how

682
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: they were able to maybe contain him? Pressuring Kirk I

683
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: think is a big part of that. Um. And then

684
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: the other one actually, and I don't have the stats offhand,

685
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: but I mean the Eagles they lost Hicks what a

686
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: minute into that game. By the midpoint of that game,

687
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: they were playing not ideal linebackers and they already had

688
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: one line linebacker out right, I mean, they were playing

689
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: their special teams linebackers there. Uh. The thing with the

690
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: Eagles is they have awesome safeties, and I think that's

691
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: a big part of this and like preferably like the

692
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: coutboys don't. Unfortunately, Yes, that's that's what I'm saying. Um,

693
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: they'll get there. I in all things being equal, I

694
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: would try to match him up with a defensive back

695
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: before a linebacker. But I don't know if they I

696
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good idea on these Like

697
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: a guy like Xavier Woods, I think this might be

698
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: a week where maybe could you could you he's a

699
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: guy like that who is athletic safety but also drops

700
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 1: down and plays coverage. Like would he be a guy

701
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: that maybe you could do some special things or not

702
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: not every play, obviously you've got to do a lot

703
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: of different things. But he is he a guy that

704
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: maybe can give you a little something there where you

705
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: try to get him to kind of sometimes match up

706
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: with Chris Thompson. Is he a guy that can play

707
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: safety and let Byron Jones come down into the box

708
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: and match up with guys like that? Yes, But the

709
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 1: only thing about that is how comfortable do you feel

710
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: that Byron Jones can handle that task? I mean, that's

711
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: that's what he was really good at, wasn't it. And

712
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: when he was covering tight ends? Yeah, I think well,

713
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: just being down there and helping be an athlete. That's

714
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: what he is. That's an athlete. It's not that great

715
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: of a football player right now, but he's a really

716
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: good athlete. And sometimes you can get by and that

717
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: as he's learning the position and he is still learning,

718
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: he's still learning how this goes. And you know, he

719
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: hasn't done you know, his We talked about this all

720
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the time, the versatility of Byron Jones to play some

721
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: corner play, some safety, play down play tight ends. It's

722
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of probably affected him because he still hasn't been

723
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: able to just learn this one spot. So the last

724
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: couple of years he is learning. He has played safety mostly,

725
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: but I still think he's a work in progress. Now.

726
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: It's not to answer the question, yeah, I think he

727
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: could be fine with that. And we saw that last

728
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: week that Xavier Woods was playing more of the center

729
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: fielder part and he was playing closer to the line

730
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: that was on one of the third down packages. As

731
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: long as we're talking about this, this is not something

732
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: that I would really expect to see, but we've seen

733
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: a few teams this year play basically big nickel, like

734
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: the Rams use Mark Barron as their nickel linebacker. He's

735
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: really more of a safety. Somebody else did it too,

736
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: maybe the Packers more. Yeah, Morgan Burnett, he plays nickel

737
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: linebacker for the Packers. Byron just be a big nickel.

738
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: Just play Byron? There is he too small for that?

739
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: Am I crazy? I think the Cowboys have done it,

740
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: But they did it with Heath like Heath would be able.

741
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: They've had he that's down there playing. They did that

742
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: with Barry Church. Yeah right, they did it with Barry

743
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Maybe that's a way you mitigate that

744
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: or whether it's Heath or Buyer in either way, just

745
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: give you a little more athleticism down there at linebacker.

746
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: That is. That is an idea that I like for

747
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: covering a team like this. When you I mean the

748
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Redskins basically always have It's okay, Vernon Davis and Jordan

749
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Reader basically receivers, and Chris Thompson's basically a receiver, so

750
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: like they have a minimum of four receivers on the

751
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: field at any given time. Really when you think about it,

752
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: so give me all the athleticism and speed you got,

753
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna need it. I mean linebackers, Yeah, you do

754
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: have Sean Lee back and together with Anthony Hitchins. But

755
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't think they were great

756
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: and outstanding On the last game, you know, against the

757
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. We saw them do a good job,

758
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: but it's not at the level that we expected to be. Well,

759
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm as big a fan of Anthony Hitchins as

760
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna find, but I just don't know if his

761
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: game translates to this kind of matchup. Like I'm like,

762
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: wha wait, you're like I said, this is a wide open,

763
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: throwing the ball around offense where I mean, how much

764
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: are the Redskins even really going to be traditionally running

765
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: the ball? Right? Maybe they'll try it because the Cowboys

766
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: haven't been good at stopping it. That's something worth considering,

767
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't. And Anthony Hitchins is fine in coverage,

768
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: but it's I mean, that's not his strong suit, you

769
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: know which Again I'm thinking, like, how can I get

770
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: as many defensive backs onto the field to help cover

771
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: all these guys. That's that's what I'm thinking. I don't

772
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: know if they agree with me, but just kind of

773
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: thinking out loud right now. All right, One of the

774
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: questions I have for you guys with regard to this

775
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: right now, you Dave, you mentioned all the different receiving

776
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: options that they have. Which of those guys do you

777
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: think is the biggest threat? I pose this question to

778
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the table. Anybody can jump in, but which do you

779
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: think is the biggest receiving threat. We've already talked about

780
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: the running back and Chris Thompson. But which of the

781
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: receivers is the biggest pose of the biggest threat for

782
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Well, and couldn't we say read yeah, tight

783
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: end wid yeah, because I think that the corners are

784
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: doing a pretty good job. I guess. I mean, when

785
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: they go up against a Hall of Famer, they're gonna

786
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: probably give up a you know, have a tough night

787
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: like they did with Larry. But I think for the

788
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: most part, it's the tight ends that that that give

789
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: this team a lot of issues. And Reid has done

790
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: it in the past. And like you guys have said,

791
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is playing Wellson. Now you have a couple

792
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: of options there, and you're gonna be focused on trying

793
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: to get Chris Thompson out of the backfield, and I

794
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: think that's where the tight end will be will exploit

795
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: them so that that would be my pick there. Those

796
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: other receivers are good, and then there was you know,

797
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: they got a mix of receivers, big guys, little guys.

798
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis scares me in this game because I mean,

799
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Reid's great and he killed him last year. But

800
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: I assume they'll focus on him. They'll have an idea. Plus,

801
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: he's got injury problems that maybe will slow him up.

802
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: But Vernon Davis is kind of like that forgotten guy

803
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: and it seems like he's running crossing routes. He's running

804
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: down the seam like you said they run on the

805
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: outside sometimes and going downfield. Yeah, I just I just

806
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna hit some plays in this game because

807
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: he's sort of the forgotten man, because we just said

808
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: he's probably optioned four on this team in terms of

809
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: like where you would prefer to go, which means he's

810
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis is the type of guy that's going to

811
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: draw out Anthony Hitchins. And I don't like that matchup

812
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: for Anthony Hitchins at all because he at one point,

813
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that he still is, but at one

814
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: point he was a four or five guy, like he

815
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: can run he's a big guy, but he can run,

816
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: and if he's even anywhere close to that at this point,

817
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: that presents a lot of matchup challenges, especially if flyingbackers

818
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: are trying to cover him. You have one ember well,

819
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: I would say, for example, any wide receiver. Honestly, it's

820
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: a fair game here, just because I don't feel comfortable

821
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: enough just yet with the corners we have, so any

822
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: of those is a fair game at this point, and

823
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: anyone on any given week can can get off on you,

824
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: right Yeah. I mean I'm not feeling one hundred percent

825
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: comfortable with the guys we have defense right now to

826
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: where I could be like, Okay, this wide receiver isn't

827
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: that great. He's not an All Pro all Star. No,

828
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter at this point. You have to be

829
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: worried about every guy right now. They don't have all

830
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: pro corners for sure. Now. I do know that after

831
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the game they were already talking about Scandrick Anthony Brown.

832
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: That might have been someone else over there talking about

833
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: wanting to match up. Now, that doesn't mean they will

834
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: wanting to match up against Washington. They want to They

835
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: want to go. You know, I got him, you got him,

836
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: and I kind of like that against a team like

837
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: Washington because as what do you guys just finished saying

838
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: they have such different kinds of receivers, right, Yeah, I

839
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: mean who gets Crowder? I mean they got a lot

840
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: of guys I would I would hope. Yeah, I mean

841
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: he's a slot guy, you would think, and then you

842
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown. I mean there's not a great matchup

843
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: for Prior. Then, although Prior last week at least, Prior

844
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: has moved down the depth chart something. Yeah, something's up

845
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah where he's Yeah, he's like almost an afterthought. Yeah,

846
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: which is weird to me. I read an article that

847
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: that he was basically saying he wasn't upset about the

848
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: fact that he got demoted or something to that effect.

849
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's not. He is not getting the same

850
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: playing time he was getting at the beginning of the season.

851
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: Toxin seems to be the guy that's the benefactor of that.

852
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: He's getting more playing time. So, and he's a big guy.

853
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Speaker 1: He's a guy that can go up and get it.

854
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Speaker 1: So do you have a great matchup for him, like

855
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Speaker 1: a corner that's big and tall and range that can

856
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: that can you know, defend him? Now, you definitely don't

857
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: don't have that guy, but um, you know you got

858
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Speaker 1: some crafty guys, I mean Brown and Um, you know,

859
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Speaker 1: Jordan lewis to me like he's just he's just a scrapper.

860
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just gonna keep fighting. And I think

861
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: he's the best cornerback on the team right now. I'm

862
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: not just as a rookie. I think he is the

863
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: best corner you know. He kind of reminds me of

864
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Speaker 1: Just I don't know. Sometimes I see him out there,

865
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Speaker 1: it just reminds me of him Mike Dinkins. I don't

866
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: know why, because I don't know that I compare their

867
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Speaker 1: games quite a bit, but just I don't know, it's

868
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Speaker 1: just kind of the way he's like the way he

869
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Speaker 1: looks out there. For some reason, it reminds me a

870
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Speaker 1: little bit of Joring. He's been good and obviously has

871
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. Yesterday I was breaking down someplace

872
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: with Brian brought us and I noticed like there's a

873
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Speaker 1: lot of different times where he's still unable to keep

874
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Speaker 1: up with the guy he's covering, Like he creates a

875
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: big separation and he's still trying to get you know,

876
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: the speed of this game and trying to learn how

877
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: to stay with the guy he's covering. So yes, he

878
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: has a lot of good positive things and a good

879
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: a lot of areas to develop and he'll be great

880
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Speaker 1: at one point, but still a rookie and you can't

881
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: also rely on him. And they just didn't. They need

882
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: to figure it out. They just get there. Well, you know,

883
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: he didn't play a lot in training camp, you know,

884
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Speaker 1: and we saw last year at all and play at

885
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: all training camp just saying that's right, he didn't. I

886
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: was thinking preseason games, but yeah, he didn't have he

887
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: didn't practice, didn't do anything. So when you think about

888
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: last year, Zig didn't do much, Collins didn't do much.

889
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, they still came out and and maybe a

890
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: slow start here and there, but but they played really well.

891
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: I mean, and Jordan Lewis in the same same boat.

892
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't work for everyone. Thankfully, Dak did play a

893
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: lot in the preseason because of that helped him so

894
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: different for different positions and all that. But I mean,

895
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see some cases where even

896
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Speaker 1: if you don't do much in training camp, if you're

897
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're able to come in and do it,

898
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Speaker 1: and maybe there's something to be said for the fact

899
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Speaker 1: that Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan. I mean, these guys are

900
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Speaker 1: kind of prepared to play, and so when they when

901
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Speaker 1: they get thrown into Mile High for their first game,

902
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Speaker 1: they're like, all right, this is cool, this is loud.

903
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Speaker 1: Reminds me of when I played at Ohio State that

904
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Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, you know, doesn't scare me at all. Yeah,

905
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Speaker 1: So the different I mean, obviously the talent levels different,

906
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: but like I mean, yeah, but if you played at

907
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908
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909
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910
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: I was talking about that. It's kind of unrelated. But

911
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,760
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912
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,560
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913
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914
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Speaker 1: Everybody's on TV now, Yah, Tulane gets TV games, I

915
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Speaker 1: mean everybody there's I mean, if you've played major college football,

916
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Speaker 1: you've been on national TV several dozen times. You've had

917
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Speaker 1: laid in front of sixty two, one hundred thousand people

918
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Speaker 1: several dozen times. If you had a major program you're

919
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Speaker 1: playing on TV every week? Yeah, every week, not not

920
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Speaker 1: really every game. Again, every every game in Division one

921
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922
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Speaker 1: Rice versus versus Texas San Antonio is on TV. I'm

923
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Speaker 1: sure it takes time. I know it takes time to

924
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Speaker 1: the NFL. But in terms of like being scatitude because

926
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927
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997
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Speaker 1: I remember we have Dallas? All right, Dallas, I got

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Speaker 1: hey guys, how are you doing? Hey? Miss Amber, how

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Speaker 1: Yes already, Um, Dave, you was saying the big nickel

1013
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Speaker 1: with Byron, with mister Jones. But the problem is he

1014
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Speaker 1: is not a tackling person. He's not physically able to

1015
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Speaker 1: do that. And Washington will run the ball. Um. I

1016
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Speaker 1: consider myself a football know it all thanks to Dave

1017
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Speaker 1: and Brian from the Draft Show, and they are going

1018
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Speaker 1: to try to run the ball, pound the ball, and

1019
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan did a tweet that he looks forward to

1020
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Speaker 1: seeing us again and m last show you saying about

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00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: the last year contracts, and there's really no one else

1022
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Speaker 1: to think about, Um, David Irving, Anthony Hitchons, Bryce Butler,

1023
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Speaker 1: even Jonathan Cooper. Thanks guys who are have a good day,

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Speaker 1: and I look forward to hearing from your thinker. All right, thanks,

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Speaker 1: I'll throw David Irving is You're absolutely right, he is

1026
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: coming up. He's technically in a contract year, but he

1027
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: is in a very specific position for he's as he

1028
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: was exclusive rights free agent. Basically, I'm not going to

1029
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: pretend to know the ins and outs of it, but

1030
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: he's in a situation where the Cowboys can keep him.

1031
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: If they want to keep he'll be restricted though, right right?

1032
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: He so they offer him a tender he was exclusive

1033
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: rights this past year. Um, it'd be interesting. It's it's

1034
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: far easier to keep David Irving than your typical free agent.

1035
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Speaker 1: Put it that way, it's the same. It's very similar

1036
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Speaker 1: to the Ron Leary situation, but but the years ago.

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Speaker 1: But the question will be what tender do they put

1038
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Speaker 1: on him? Right? Do they go first round tender, you know,

1039
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Speaker 1: I mean, let means you got to pay him. Is

1040
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Speaker 1: it first, second, and sixth or something like that, like first,

1041
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Speaker 1: second in original? Yeah? And what's interesting he was drafted, right? No?

1042
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Speaker 1: Are you sure? I'm fairly sure. I thought he was drafted,

1043
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Speaker 1: because even if he wasn't drafted by your team, it

1044
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Speaker 1: is where he was drafted. Yeah. Still I thought it

1045
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Speaker 1: was a fifth rounder. But even if he's not, I

1046
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Speaker 1: don't think that's what you would want to lose David

1047
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Speaker 1: irv you're gonna go put a first or a second

1048
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Speaker 1: on him. Yeah, you probably put the second round tender

1049
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Speaker 1: on him, and just if somebody wants to sign him,

1050
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Speaker 1: then you'll get a second round pick for him. What

1051
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Speaker 1: would you do first or second? David Irving was undrafted? Undrafted? Okay?

1052
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Speaker 1: Well then I mean then that that goes out and

1053
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Speaker 1: you don't you're not gonna do the you know, original one.

1054
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be first or second. I probably would. I

1055
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Speaker 1: need to look at the money figures again. But somebody,

1056
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: somebody might put a second rounder, you know, I mean,

1057
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: what if that's what you need? What if you're like,

1058
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: you know what, we need to get a big defensive end,

1059
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: defensive tackle guy in this league, and we'll take him

1060
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds. Go ahead and pay David Irving,

1061
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: and then you'll lose a second round pick. I don't

1062
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: know if I want to lose a second round pick

1063
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: for David Irving. The reason why I asked that question is,

1064
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: what do you want to say? That is because like

1065
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: looking at defensive ends, good defensive ends. We saw it

1066
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: this last year. It's once you get to even the

1067
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: late first round, finding a really good defensive end, it's

1068
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: probably pretty hard, and one that I think already has

1069
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: gone through those learning periods. Right Like it took to

1070
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence a little while to get there, it took

1071
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Irving a while to get there. He was an undrafted guy,

1072
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: but it took him a while to get to the

1073
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: point where he was at least giving you, at least

1074
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: giving you something. Not to say, he's great. I'm not

1075
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: saying that, but I just don't know if if I

1076
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: think I can replace his production, at least in the

1077
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: short term with a second round pick. And I hear

1078
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying, it's going to be an interesting conversation.

1079
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: But he's easier to keep if you want to keep him,

1080
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: then you're typical. You don't have to. I mean, you're

1081
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: not sitting here worrying about if you're gonna need to

1082
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: pay him twenty million dollars not a franchise tag to

1083
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence or or you know, yeah, exactly, we're forgetting

1084
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 1: another contract in this because he's not up yet. But

1085
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: you know that Zack Martin's going to be a body

1086
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: that they have to sign this year. Is this gonna

1087
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: be his fifth year option? You? Yeah, you go into

1088
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: the fifth year. I just there's no way. There's no

1089
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: way that they play a football game in twenty eighteen

1090
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: without him having a contract. I Next training camp will help.

1091
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: Next training camp probably preferably sooner than that. Yeah, yeah,

1092
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: somebody somebody did email us about that, and yeah, I

1093
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: mean that's gonna be interesting with DeMarcus and Zach. Um

1094
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: gotta clear up. I mean, they gotta get some money.

1095
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: I would assume, like I don't. I don't assume there's

1096
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: that much money sitting out there right now. They just

1097
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: sign those two. They need to sign those guys. But

1098
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I would think before you really get into not maybe

1099
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: not both of them, but you want to figure some

1100
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: things out before you get into free agency next year,

1101
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: because you know how strong they've been in signing free

1102
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: agency these last two years. The thing with hey Shot,

1103
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: the thing with me is there probably there probably is

1104
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: enough money to pay them both, but they but extend them.

1105
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have enough money to tag

1106
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: DeMarcus and then sign Zach because that's a lump sum

1107
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: that because with the extension, basically you can extrapolate. Right, Yeah,

1108
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to. I got you could give DeMarcus

1109
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: a two million dollars salary to start and keep your

1110
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: numbers low. Yeah. Well, as far as the Cappus, what

1111
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: are we thinking is the guaranteed money for DeMarcus Lawrence?

1112
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't either, but I'm just

1113
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: saying it got to be deep. I mean, if he

1114
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: ends the season where he is now, which is at

1115
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: the top of the league in sacks, it's going to

1116
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: be significant forty maybe something like that, because I'm just

1117
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: saying if it's in the if it's in the range

1118
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: of is this other than quarterback? Is this the most

1119
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: highly paid position in the league. Well, Well, the reason

1120
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: why I say this, the franchise tag is eight eighteen million.

1121
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: So that's the one year guarantee. So if he's going

1122
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: to sign a three or four or five year deal,

1123
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: guarantees gonna have to be a lot more than that,

1124
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, forties it's des deal was like what forty

1125
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: five guarantees? Yeah, And I think Olivier Vernon. Olivier Vernon

1126
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: is a great comparison, I think because he had similar

1127
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: Like he really only had one amazing year. But the

1128
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: thing with Olivier Vernon is that his whole resume I

1129
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: think was better. I mean, he was productive most of

1130
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: the time he was in Miami and then he blew up,

1131
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: whereas DeMarcus has obviously had his struggles, but he's really

1132
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: blowing up in this contract year. And I'm sitting and

1133
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Logic doesn't really apply because I'm like, well,

1134
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: he got suspended, he had these back injuries, blah blah blah,

1135
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: like that should affect all of that. But like, if

1136
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: he hits the open market and somebody with a boatload

1137
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: of money wants to give it to him, it doesn't matter,

1138
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: and there will be somebody out there ready to give

1139
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: him that money. But I will say this, Nick, and

1140
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: I think this goes back to what you were saying

1141
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: about Dez Bryan. That twelve million he's due next year.

1142
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's feasible the Cowboys would cut him.

1143
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: I do think, and I know you guys said you

1144
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: didn't want to see it happen. I do think it's

1145
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: a legitimate thing to consider that they will try to

1146
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: extend him so that that twelve million now becomes a

1147
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: lot more palatable. He'll still get his money, but they'll

1148
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: just extend him out so that they can just cut

1149
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: the amount that'll be on the side. I wouldn't mind.

1150
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind extending him. What I wouldn't want to

1151
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: do is restructure that deal, which is what they love

1152
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: to do, which bumps you down in the coming year

1153
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: and then bumps you up in the years after that,

1154
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: because that just makes the deal less palatable. But if

1155
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: they extend him now, they extend the number of years,

1156
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: they can extrapolate some of that money on right, and

1157
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: that it gives you the ability to lower it without

1158
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: necessarily killing yourself down the road. You just basically say,

1159
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: we gotta we'll have him on our team for longer,

1160
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: or at least we'll be doing He'll be doing money

1161
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: for longer than needs to do money. Right now, That's

1162
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: that's not as easy of a decision as you would think.

1163
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: Because they need to get better at the wide receiver spot.

1164
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: We know that, and not just with that, just that

1165
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: you just need to get better. But des is so

1166
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: valuable on the team, you know, just for other reasons,

1167
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: just because of the energy that he brings. Just that's

1168
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't think he yeah, he's he's

1169
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: he's a He's one of the faces of the French

1170
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not saying that. I just think

1171
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: that they'll have a tough decision to make. They're gonna

1172
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,959
Speaker 1: need to look at it. I don't think you cut

1173
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: a salary and lower it. It'll it'll be interesting to

1174
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: see what happens. But they need to get better there.

1175
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: But I let me say one more thing about David Irving.

1176
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at the last few years,

1177
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: guys that are coming up to be restricted free agents,

1178
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if the Cowboys don't try to sign

1179
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: him before this, before he gets to that point three

1180
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: year deal. You know, he's about to blow up. And

1181
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: so I think they might look at it that way. Go,

1182
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: let's just get see if we can get a three

1183
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: or four year deal, you know, and because he can't

1184
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: go anywhere anyways, so so you have a little bit

1185
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: of leverage right now. Yeah, all I'm saying is before

1186
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: the season ends, I wouldn't be surprised if David Irving

1187
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: signs an extension. And then the caller's point, I know

1188
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: Hitchins is out there, that's behind DeMarcus. He's probably your

1189
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: biggest true free agent heading in twenty eighteen. Cooper and Bryce.

1190
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to worry about that just yet. I mean,

1191
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: if it happens to come back around, then it comes

1192
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: back around. But we just we don't even know what

1193
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: type of body of work they're going to have put

1194
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: together by the end of the season. But Bryce signed

1195
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: for basically veteran minimum last spring, and I don't know

1196
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: that he's done enough yet to where I'm draft pastically

1197
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: altering what I want to do there. Would you be

1198
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: willing to pay Cooper not big money, but pay him

1199
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: decent money. Let's assume that they play well the rest

1200
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: of the season and this offensive line starts to gel

1201
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: around him being a part of that mix. Are you

1202
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: willing to maybe go in and do that, or you

1203
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: just look at that and say, hey, that's a position.

1204
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: I'd look at the draft next year and try to

1205
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: get myself a young guard, throw him in there for

1206
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: cheap that I would much rather do that. But you know, no,

1207
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm just it's like I kind of kind of paint

1208
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: myself in a corner there because I've said all along

1209
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: I thought they should have resigned Ron Leary. If it

1210
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: gets to the situation again, you know, on one hand,

1211
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: you could say, yeah, don't don't let that happen again.

1212
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: Sign Cooper. Or you could say, well, it'll just happen again.

1213
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: Just find the next Leary, find the next Cooper. Yeah,

1214
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: that kind and you'll have to go through that growing pain,

1215
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: to those growing pains. But hey, if it's okay, or

1216
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: you are really good at drafting people and you find

1217
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: a guy who's a badass right away, yeah, but are

1218
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: you gonna do that later? Because you're not gonna use

1219
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: a first round pick on him, right you got too

1220
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: many other places where you gotta go. I have confidence that,

1221
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: like where are you picking? Though it's hard, I mean,

1222
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to determine that. But I'm just saying, if

1223
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: you're sitting in. Let's say the steam turns around, gets

1224
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and they're picking early twenties, early twenties,

1225
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: and you've got a chance to get one of the

1226
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: best guards. I mean, Zack Martin is going to be

1227
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: a twelve year pro bowler called proud and he went sixteenth.

1228
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: Would you go another first rounder though, like we just

1229
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: finished talking about other areas of this team, if he's

1230
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: the best value yers, yeah, I have a high amount

1231
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: of confidence that a guard that's talented enough to be

1232
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick would be great on this

1233
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: line between Tyrn Smith and Travis Fred Yeah, so it

1234
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't have to be a third rounder. Yeah, Chads Green

1235
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: was picked ninety whatever, and I think we can all

1236
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: agree it's more his health than his talent that holds

1237
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: him back. That's also why you're down in the third

1238
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: round is because it's not so much about the talent,

1239
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: it's about the durability. Right trade Turner from LSU is

1240
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: the guy they would have drafted if they hadn't trade

1241
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: up for DeMarcus Lawrence, and he is. He's great. He's

1242
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber guard. The Panthers got him at

1243
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: like seventy something. I already got the Cowboys first round pick.

1244
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's not a guard either, Glad, it's

1245
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: a fast wide receiver. Tell him, tell him who it is.

1246
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: Can't tell him who's going to be playing for the

1247
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys next year. And Christian kirk there's no doubt. Yeah, yeah,

1248
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: that's RMANI Watts. Hopefully that's a good one too. Yeah, safety,

1249
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: I'd take him, Okay, I'd take Christian Kirk. Yeah, Christian

1250
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: kirk Man that guy overdes though. No no, no, no, no,

1251
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: no no not. I get crazy. You'd have to take

1252
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: him in the first round. I know. But he doesn't

1253
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: have to be don't you know we don't have to

1254
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: play him right Overdaz right now. I'm just fans are

1255
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: gonna riot if they draft the receiver in the first round.

1256
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: Why why? I don't think so, because it's not a

1257
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: badass playmaker. Just just show, just show all the games

1258
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: at the stadium that he's played against Arkansas and just say, hey,

1259
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: this is what the guy's done at at and T Stadium.

1260
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: Kickoff return here, eighty three yards here? Yeah. How about

1261
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: how about a safety or a cornerback or a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that safety. Yeah, I'll take that safety. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take We appreciate you guys. Join us. We're back

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Speaker 1: defense versus the Cowboys offense. Until then. For Nick Eatman,

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