1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we just 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: discovered that the W in Rihanna Hudson stands for win. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December night that on today's show will be 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: joined by sport inspired artists Shannon Favia and Mallory Toulture. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: They joined me to discuss their past to becoming professional artists, 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: combining their passions for sport and art, collaborating with teams 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: and athletes, and the unique way they've each used basketball 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: that's in their work. Plus the return of the best rivalry, 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: climbing for days and when in drought, distract, Distract, Distract. 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: It's all coming up right after this Welcome back slices. 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Here's what you need to know today. Let's start with 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: college soccer and a new national champion crowned Monday night, 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: the Florida State Seminoles defeated Stanford in the title game 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: for the second time in three years, a one nail 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: nail bier at c PKC Stadium in Kansas City. It 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: all came down to a Rihanna Hudson goal in the 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: eighty seventh minute. Hudson had four goals in the tournament, 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: including two game winners. Seminoles head coach Brian Penske has 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: led the team to two titles in just four seasons 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: at the Helm. Meantime, heartbreak first Stanford once again they 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: lost to FSU in twenty twenty three in the title game, 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: and once again they come up short. The Cardinal haven't 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: won it all since twenty nineteen. I'm sending love to 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: my favorite Stanford alum, Julie Foudy, who was watching at home, 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: cozy on the couch and front at the show. Alana 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Cook freezing or butt off in person at CPKC Stadium, 27 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: wishing her alma mater had pulled off the win. To hockey. 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: A reminder that the USA Canada rivalry Series continues this 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: week in Edmonton, Alberta, beginning tomorrow night. The US won 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: the first two games of the rivalry series played back 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: in the US in early November pretty handily, four to 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: one and six to one, respectively, so we'll be curious 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: to see how the Canadians respond on home soil. These 34 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: are the last two times the US and Canada will 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: go head to head prior to the Olympics in February, 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: so this is a big chance to grab a little 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: confidence heading into Milan Courtina tomorrow night's game and gets 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: underweight at seven pm Eastern, and folks in the US 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: can watch on any channel network. We'll also link to 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: the full rivalry series schedule and results in the show notes. 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: To college hoops, the latest eightp pole came out on Monday, 42 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: and it features a record matching nine Big Ten teams 43 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: in the top twenty five, including three in the top ten. 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: The Big Ten previously set the record for most ranked 45 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: teams from one conference last December, when the conference also 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: had nine teams make the cut. Number four Ucla leads 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: the way for the Big Ten, followed by number six 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Michigan and number seven Maryland, which sits at eleven in zero. Meanwhile, 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: the Big Ten's Yukon is still in that number one spot. 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: To the world of climbing, Sasha to Julian has become 51 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: the first woman to free climb Al Kapa Tan's longest route, 52 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: known as the Platinum Route. It took the thirty three 53 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: year old more than three weeks to climb the three 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: thousand foot sheer granite wall, a period that included nine 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: days spent waiting out bad weather in her cliff side. 56 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: Ten For folks who aren't familiar with the world of climbing. 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: Free climbing is when climbers use ropes and other equipment 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: to protect against falling, but not to help with any 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: part of the upward ascent. As for the height of 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the famed climb, three thousand feet, that's more than twice 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: the height of the Empire State Building. We'll link to 62 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: Julian's Instagram in the show notes, where you can watch 63 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: some of her dispatches from the aforementioned cliff side tent 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: as she waited out the storm. Finally, in sports culture news, 65 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: off Ball and online mag and newsletter celebrating the intersection 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: of sports and culture, has announced its inaugural off Ball 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: twenty five, a list of twenty five visionaries who are 68 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: quote shaping the future of sports and fashion. The list, 69 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: which is pretty basketball heavy, breaks up folks from both 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: men's and women's sports into different categories, from visionaries, architects 71 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: to rising stars. Honorees include Asia Wilson, who also earned 72 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: off Ball MVP honors, along with Rising Star and WNBA 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year Pagebeckers. We'll link to the full 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: list of honorees in the show notes, and speaking of Pagebeckers. 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: She got another honor from Cosmopolitan, who named her and 76 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: Asyfudd one of their couples of the Year for twenty 77 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: twenty five in the Best Friends to Lover her category. 78 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: We love it. We got to take a quick break. 79 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: When we come back. It's my conversation with sport inspired 80 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: artists Mallory Tolture and Shannon Favia. Throughout the interview, we're 81 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: going to talk about a couple specific projects and installations 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: that they've done, and we'll link to a bunch of 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: those in the show notes, so you can follow along 84 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: as you listen. And if you're curious about the boxing 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: gloves piece that I mentioned that Shannon gifted me, featuring 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: the Albert Kmu quote I love so much, I'll link 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: to a photo of those as well. Joining us now, 88 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: she's a Toronto based interdisciplinary artist whose sculptural and installation 89 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: based practice reimagines the world of sport through a female lens. 90 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: She works at the intersection of athletics and fashion, using 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: materials like flowers, textiles, and metal to balance softness and strength. 92 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: She's got a Bachelor of Arts from the University of 93 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: Toronto and she's created custom artworks for elite athletes and brands, 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: with collaborations including Paris Saint Germain, the NBA, and the WNBA. 95 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: She goes by me the North on Instagram, and she 96 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: rarely wears sleeves because she's got full sleeves, but of 97 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: course today she's wearing sleeves. It's Mallory Toltterr. Hi, Mallory, Hi, 98 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: you broke the norm. You're always in sleeveless shirts and 99 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: today him. 100 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Well, it is a little chili. It's so funny too, 101 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, I should wear this, but 102 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: it's true. 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, explain to him. Also with us. She's a Chicago 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: based independent artist, graphic designer, and creator who gets her 105 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: inspiration from sports, hip hop, pop culture, and street art. 106 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: She got her Bachelor of Education from Bowling Green State 107 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: University and she worked as a K eight art teacher 108 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: before becoming a professional artist. She huffs paint fumes all day. 109 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: It's Shannon Favia. 110 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: Hi, Shannon, Hey, Sarah, thanks for having me. 111 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you both. And when I 112 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: was thinking about bringing on sport inspired artists, you two 113 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: came to mind together because you both have used this incredible, 114 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: unique approach to nets basketball nets, tennis nets, and otherwise. 115 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into your use of nets later, 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: but I want to start way back at the beginning, 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: and will you tell us about your athletic background, whether 118 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: it's playing or watching growing up and what kind of 119 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: resulted in you being a sport inspired artist. 120 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. The first thing that everybody asked is like, do 121 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: you play basketball? 122 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't. 123 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not very good. But when I was growing up, 124 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: I was very much like, do I be an artist? 125 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: Do I be an athlete? And although I really was 126 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: like I don't know, just pulled into sport, I thought 127 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: that I had to choose one or the others. So 128 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 2: I eventually like focused on art, went to school for art. 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: I've always been a runner so and have continued to 130 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: be a runner, So I would say I'm still an athlete. 131 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, like I kinda just then became became a 132 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: hardcore fan of all games. 133 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah what about you, Shannon. 134 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: I grew up kind of a scrappy kid. I love sports, 135 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: played basketball, volleyball in grade school, played tennis in high school, 136 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: and then kind of reconnected with basketball because my son 137 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 3: became obsessed with it and he plays in college now, 138 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: and so just kind of fell in love with the 139 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: game of basketball again through his eyes and logging a 140 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: lot of hours you know, in gym's taking him around, 141 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: and then the net thing kind of just it happened. 142 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: But yeah, sports has been a big part of my 143 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: life and our family's life. I think it's a yeah, 144 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: it's a great way to connect and the emotion of it, 145 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: especially now with AI. I just think sports is going 146 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: to become even more important and more impactful, and people 147 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: are going to want to be in these stadiums and 148 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: arenas to feel, you know, human connection and all the 149 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: emotions that come with sports. 150 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting how both during COVID we recognized 151 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: what we missed about in person interaction as opposed to 152 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: just listening to music on your phone or you know, 153 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: watching something you wanted to go be back in person 154 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: with the people creating things. And it's the same for sports, 155 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: not only with like streaming and being able to bin 156 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: shows like sports is one of the few things we 157 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: also watch live together and want to experience together. And 158 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: you're right about AI, Like, no one wants to watch 159 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of AI dudes play basketball. That's that's not 160 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: going to be the same although someone will introduce that, 161 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: and I guarantee it will start with men. Of course, 162 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: as always, it'll be dudes playing basketball that aren't real, 163 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: or robots for that matter. So, Shannon, what's your path 164 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: to becoming an artist then, whether in school or pivoting 165 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: to it in life as far as being like, I'm 166 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: going to do this professionally for a job. 167 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: So I taught for eight years kindergarten through eighth grade, 168 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: and then when my son was born, I was a 169 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: state at home mom, and when he would nap, i'd start, 170 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: you know, working at our kitchen table once I was 171 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: caught up on sleep. And then social media, you know, existed. 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: It didn't exist when I was When I was teaching, 173 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: I had used my classroom as a studio for so 174 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: many years and did some street fairs here in Chicago. 175 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: But then it was really being a state home mom 176 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: and having that time, and then Instagram and Facebook and 177 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: you know, one thing led to another and I just 178 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: kind of stuck with it. So social media has been 179 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: huge for it, for the exposure and you know, helping 180 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: me connect with with other artists and brands. 181 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when I first saw your stuff. It 182 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: was through a couple my friends who had bought something 183 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: at like I think it was like a black Hawk's 184 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: charity event or one of those events. And then I 185 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: started seeing your art pop up in a lot of 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: different spaces across the Chicago sports scene, and oh, that's 187 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: that same that's that same lady. So it definitely did 188 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: spread a lot because of just popping up organically in 189 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: people's speeds. How about you, Mallory, when you came out 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: of school, were you like, well, this is what I studied, 191 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: and now I just get to do this forever or 192 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: did you have to take a more circuitous path to 193 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: becoming a professional. 194 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: It's so funny listening to Shannon. Mine's kind of the same. 195 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: Like I So I. 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: Went to school for art, and I was I felt 197 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: like an outlier because nobody really, like my peers or 198 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: my teachers weren't super into sports and I was making 199 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: work about sport. It wasn't really like resonating or maybe 200 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: it just wasn't smart, like maybe it was just bad art. 201 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: Who knows right? 202 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: And then really, but. 203 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: Then I there was a point where like I got 204 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: really I guess discouraged, and I would talk to my 205 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: prof and he said, like if you could do anything, 206 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: what would you want to do? And I think, like cheekily, 207 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: I said, like, I want to slam dunk basketball, and 208 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: he said, okay, do it. And so for a whole 209 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: year I trained to do that. And then in that process, 210 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: like would go into schools and like talk about my 211 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: goal and get like the community involved. And then I 212 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I really like being in classrooms. So 213 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: I actually am a teacher. I've been teaching now almost 214 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: for fifteen years, but I do that part time. And 215 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: then the like really big switch into me pushing hard 216 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: into my art was when I was on maternity. I 217 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: realized the value of time and when she would nap, 218 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: I would get really into making And that was a 219 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: very pivotal like shift in my artwork as well, because 220 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: instead of just like making art about athletes or making 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: art about basketball, I, as a mom and a female athlete, 222 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: like wanted to approach art in the way that I 223 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: had never seen it before, and approach sport in the 224 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: way that like is a little bit more softer, a 225 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: little bit more feminine. And that really was the huge 226 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: turn in my life. 227 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you ever dunk? 228 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: No? 229 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: I could grab It's funny, I could grab the net 230 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: and I was so close. I also couldn't palm a ball, 231 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: So that was the tough part. Smaller balls, I know, 232 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: but I was closet. I'm five nine in a quarter, 233 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: but so was Nate Robinson. 234 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: Okay, that's impressive if you were even close, right. 235 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I learned that only thirty percent of like 236 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 2: vertical height is able to be worked on, and then 237 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: seventy percent is genetic. 238 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, some people just have bounce. But it's interesting because 239 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: you know how people like I don't know. This is 240 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: something that always strikes me when I'm in an airplane, 241 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: is how if I look down, and especially when it's 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: like farmland where it's boxed off, I always see things artistically. 243 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: I always see the land and think about it as 244 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: like a painting or what I would do to draw 245 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: it or create it. And I feel like you were 246 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: trying to just get an aerial view of the rim 247 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: so you could better understand and see it. Yeah, you 248 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: were just trying to get high en us to see 249 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: it from a different angle. 250 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yeah, yeah. 251 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: Uh tell us about your art, Mallory sort of big picture, 252 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: the mediums you prefer, the themes you tend to explore. 253 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I work with a lot of materials, whether 254 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: it be like soft or hard. I like specifically working 255 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: with more traditionally feminine materials, so like beads or pearls 256 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 2: or crystals. I really liked textiles. So I just made 257 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: some work for a show in Paris, and I made 258 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: two new pieces that were like veils. So one was 259 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: a wedding veil and one was a mourning veil. So 260 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: I love working with my hands, but I also like 261 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: to include things like steel and would to have a 262 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,359 Speaker 2: little bit more of a harder I guess, like framework 263 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: to it. 264 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, the wedding veil in the morning veil as counterparts 265 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: lauvoil and Louvoux. Tell us about that, because I love 266 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the way you describe wanting to pair those and how 267 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: you thought of them through the lens of sport. 268 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. So originally I was approached with the idea of 269 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: making the two veils one black, one white, kind of 270 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: like very contrasted a win a loss. And the more 271 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: I started thinking about it as I was making them, 272 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: the more I realized, like we all are both, Like, 273 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: I don't think they exist separately. You can't really experience 274 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: a win without experiencing a loss, and the idea of like, okay, 275 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: we wear veils in general to like hide ourselves and 276 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: all of our emotions and our identity is behind this 277 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: here fabric and we get to choose when we unveil it. 278 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of emotion that goes 279 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: behind playing sport that we're not allowed to actually perform 280 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: in public. I think that we have to like agree 281 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: that our emotions will be kept in check because otherwise 282 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: the whole community fans management, will be upset if we 283 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: win too hard, or if we get too angry, or 284 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: if we get too sad. I know that there was 285 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: this one was it a gymnast that got silver and. 286 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: She like yeah, like mikaylam Moroth, Yeah yeah, and then 287 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: was like totally criticized for being sad about winning silver. 288 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: So I think that a lot of like ninety percent 289 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: of being an athlete is usually behind the scenes and 290 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: under the veil, and then the ten percent of competition 291 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: is when we have to be like, yeah, well we'll 292 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: be on our best behavior and go play. 293 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that idea of like the veil covering 294 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: so much of the work, the emotion, et cetera. But 295 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: also the kind of two things as counterparts. It's sort 296 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: of an extension of the larger conversation of like momentum mora, 297 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: which is essentially, if we don't die, then what does 298 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: life mean? If we don't remember that eventually we die, 299 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: then there is no value in the living. And it's 300 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: the same for wins. If there isn't a possibility of loss, 301 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: then the win means so much less. And that's why 302 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: we love sport so much, because it is this razor's 303 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: edge of either this like exultation of win or like 304 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: the immense disappointment and sadness of loss. And so that's 305 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: such a cool kind of counterpart. Shannon, what are your 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: common sort of themes and the materials you tend to use? 307 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: So I've done everything from I've been commissioned so many 308 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 3: times to paint the Air Jordan one sneaker. It kind 309 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: of started with that and now it's moved to this 310 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: very you know, abstract. It's the evolution just from this 311 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: literal sneaker, which was really fun and I still will 312 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: do those if I get commissions, But the nets and 313 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: the abstraction of it all, I think what I really 314 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: love about this series is that people might not necessarily 315 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 3: recognize it's a tennis net, it's a basketball net. The 316 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: basketball nets kind of looked like these beautiful jellyfish floating 317 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: and there's you know, I just really I love the 318 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: abstraction that people can discover it, but then there's this 319 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: meaning behind it. And right now my focus is primarily 320 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: contributing to this conversation in women in sports and equality. 321 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: You know, even though it's abstract, it's probably the most 322 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: meaningful series that I've done. But I too, you know, 323 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 3: I had a boxing glove series before, similar to Mallory, 324 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: where I really love the juxtaposition of this, like what's 325 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 3: traditionally a masculine, you know, considered a masculine sport. And 326 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: then I would go to like Joe Anne Fabrics in 327 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: Michael's craft Store, which is, you know, considered like a homemaker, 328 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: would go there and kind of just marrying these two 329 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: worlds together, so kind of the soft and the you know, 330 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 3: masculine so and sports. Yeah, sports is that it's it's 331 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: everything and it includes everyone, and I just yeah, love 332 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: the love, the power and the momentum of what's going 333 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: on with women in sports right now. And this is 334 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: just my way of contributing to the conversation in the 335 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: best way I know how. 336 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get to the What's her net Worth? 337 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: Project because I love it so much, But you mentioned 338 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: the gloves, so I wanted to mention quickly. Yeah, that 339 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: was a series that you did using boxing gloves called Uppercut, 340 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: and you made some for me during twenty twenty with 341 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: this phrase that became really meaningful to me. During the long, long, 342 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: long months of COVID, which was in the midst of winter, 343 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: I found there was within me an invincible summer, which 344 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: is essentially, no matter what you hand me, what's in 345 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: me is going to overpower the darkness, the depths of 346 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: the sadness, because the summer is in me and not 347 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: outside of me. And it's just a cool kind of 348 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: collaboration to have these like boxing gloves and this fight 349 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: is along with this belief system and like whatever is 350 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: in me is stronger than what's outside of me. What 351 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: was the message when you first started making those boxing 352 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: gloves as. 353 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 3: Art, basically women empowerment and just the everyday fight that 354 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: we all go through. Some days you're you know, up 355 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: here and you're feeling confident and things are clicking and 356 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: you know inevitably you're going to end up in the 357 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 3: valley and in the darkness. And yeah, just the daily 358 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: grind and fighting and staying optimistic and doing what you 359 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: can every day with however you're feeling. So yeah, basically 360 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: the fight and and just empowering yourself and others. Yeah, 361 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: but I love that. 362 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: I love that. 363 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: Quote when you wanted that on your boxing gloves because 364 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 3: essentially that is what the series Uppercut was about. 365 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're going to get back to what's her 366 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: net worth? But Mallory, I want to talk about your 367 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: use of nets, because you use actual hoops and they 368 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: have the reality and they are so grounded in what 369 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: we recognize, which is the rim. And then the nets 370 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: are where you bring in all these feminine or softer 371 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: or different artistic views on it. So tell us about 372 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: your series post up and your nothing but Net series. 373 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: So nothing Net, I think is like the big switch 374 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: on especially the materials that I was using. So I 375 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: applied for a grant to originally create basketball nets that 376 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: would like explode or deteriorate or have some sort of 377 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 2: like fragility to it. And so in doing that, like 378 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: using crystals or using flowers. And at the time too, 379 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 2: it was the pandemic that just had hit and all 380 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: the courts were like caution taped off and nobody can 381 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 2: use them. And then once it lifted, it was like 382 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: such good timing to put them out because then I 383 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: like everybody was coming to the park to play, and 384 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: I was like ready to document them kind of exploding 385 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: and falling apart, and they never did. Like all of 386 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: these nets held up like I had like this big, 387 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: beautiful long lace one and I'm like, oh, this is 388 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: gonna be so good, and they were fine. So that 389 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: specific project was like wow, Like we always look at 390 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: softness as weakness, and I think using all of these 391 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: things and then actually holding up, I was like, okay, 392 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: this is it, Like we can be soft but also 393 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: be strong, like it's not necessary that we're going to break, right, 394 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: And so that pushed me to continue using these traditionally 395 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: feminine materials. I really wanted to do more with the lace. 396 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: It's a material that's white, it is nottted. It's very 397 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: much like the net that we use, but different, like 398 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: the design is different. So the post Up series is 399 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 2: twelve hand crocheted lace basketball nets put on maple backboards 400 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: and that too, Like everybody is so drawn to it 401 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: because of not only the craftsmanship, but like I guess 402 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: that nostalgia and that like recognition and seeing, oh this 403 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: is a net that I recognized but not and so 404 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: that's been both too cool series that I've been recognized 405 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: for over and over again. 406 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think you talked about specifically with 407 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: the crocheted lace. It's this like domestic thing that is 408 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: intricate and detailed and beautiful, but also sort of looked 409 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: at as homemakery and not high art, and so you 410 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: then pair that with this thing that's traditionally masculine or 411 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: associated with men, and then to your point, it looks 412 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: fragile and instead is hardy enough to withstand actual play. 413 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: So you're sort of shouting down so many different stereotypes 414 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: and assumptions about all the things in the piece, which 415 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: is which is really cool. I'm obsessed with the crystal ones. 416 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: If I had an office, I would that would be 417 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: the first thing I would buy, is one of the 418 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: hoops with the beautiful There's there's one that's more goal 419 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and like chandeliery looking, and then there's one that's like 420 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: the white crystal or the clear crystal that is also 421 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: just like gorgeous. So eventually, if I have an office, 422 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: that's my that's me my treat to myself if they 423 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: are on sale ever again, or maybe I'll just commission one. 424 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: But Shannon, you started working with nets too, and you 425 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: started with tennis and now basketball, So tell us about 426 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: your What's her net Worth? Series? 427 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: So yeah, I just was experimenting. It actually started with 428 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 3: the basketball first, and I did what's your net worth? 429 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 3: And it's basically, you know, I was thinking about how 430 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: so many people focus on the number in their bank 431 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: account and that net worth is so much more than that, 432 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: and it's your relationships, it's being of service to others, 433 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: just being a good human being and that you know, 434 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: I know a lot of wealthy, miserable people, and that 435 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 3: doesn't make you happy just because you have money in 436 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 3: the bank and money affords you freedoms and it's great, 437 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 3: but it's not everything. And if you can have both, well, 438 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: then you've hit the jackpot. If you've got good friends 439 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: and family and you're giving back to your community. And 440 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: so that kind of started first. Then I was like, oh, 441 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 3: what's her net worth? Because you know, it's the same 442 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: net that's being used in the game for the men 443 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: and the women, and what's her net worth? Why is 444 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: her you know, a two pointer is a two pointer 445 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: a free throws of you know, one point for the 446 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: men and the women. So why is there this big, 447 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: you know, discrepancy? And yeah, then I just I kept 448 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 3: pushing and then I eventually did a tennis net one, 449 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: which I'm like, why wouldn't I have done that first? 450 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: But I've been so immersed in basketball with my son. 451 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: So then I came up with a local school gave 452 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: me a tennis net and I did a few of 453 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: those that actually got the attention of Billy Jean King, 454 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: which was so fun for her to get, you know, 455 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: share my work and started following me, and I was like, 456 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: what is going on here? And I just I just 457 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: felt the momentum with this series more than anything, and 458 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is what I'm supposed to be doing 459 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: right now. The net Also, it's like how people accumulate, 460 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: how the athletes accumulate points and the ball goes through 461 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: the net, and it's how you accumulate points, and people 462 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: go through life trying to accumulate so many different things 463 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: that maybe you know, aren't necessarily the best right things 464 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: to try to accumulate and aspire to social media and 465 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: likes and whatever. So yeah, the net Worth series has 466 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 3: a lot of layers to it, but ultimately it's about 467 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: equality and being a good person. Yeah, just being well 468 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: rounded and not just focusing on things that might not 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: necessarily in the end make you happy. 470 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think I told you this because when 471 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: we were talking about it as I took a couple 472 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: of shirts for coach Corey Close and some other coaches 473 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: I was going to be seeing shortly after I saw you, 474 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: you also said your net worth is your network. Basically, 475 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: the people that you surround yourself with and who you 476 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: know are your real worth. And I think about this 477 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: because there's this practice where don Staley takes a piece 478 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: of the net after after she wins and sends a 479 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: little piece of it from a national championship went out 480 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: to other black head coaches in the NCAA to help 481 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: keep driving them towards finding their own success. And to me, 482 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: it seems like a no brainer that Don Staley should 483 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: also be you know, rocket the T shirt sending around 484 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: the what's her net Worth? Project and potentially even you know, 485 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: she just wrote a book, but the follow up easily 486 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: could be your network is your net worth, because she's 487 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: creating a network of people who are holding on to 488 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: those pieces of net as proof that it can be 489 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: done and success can be achieved and as inspiration. You've 490 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: collaborated with the Bulls, You've collaborated with the Chicago Sky 491 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: and Isabelle Harrison. How did those come together? For people 492 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: who are saying, Oh, I like doing art, but how 493 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: do I actually start working with the teams and brands 494 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: and folks that I am inspired by? 495 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: Tag them, reach out to them, DM them. It's it's 496 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: all been through social media. The Bulls thing was actually 497 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: funny though, because that when my son was about four 498 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: years old, he was obsessed with Benny the Bulls. So 499 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: actually I can thank my son for my inn with 500 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 3: the Bulls because his obsession with Benny. Then Benny realized 501 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 3: I was an artist, and then he brought me in 502 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: for a charity event and then you know, talking about 503 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: your net worth being your network. One of my former 504 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: students that I taught when she was I met her 505 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: when she was in the fifth grade, so I taught 506 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: her art fifth through eighth grade. She ended up working 507 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: on the scores table at the Bulls games. And so 508 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: when they were doing like the Chicago Artist Hat series, 509 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: they needed a painter and it was their first time 510 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: doing it, and she threw my name in the hat 511 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: pun intended. And I'm just like wow, like full circle, 512 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: Like I met this girl now woman when she was 513 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, eleven years old, and yeah, and here she 514 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: is like giving me this opportunity. So it's a little 515 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: bit of luck. It's preparation. It's just the daily grind 516 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: and just you know, putting yourself out there and being 517 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: consistent with your practice, and you know, sometimes you get 518 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: lucky and things things click. 519 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Malory, you, as I mentioned, you've worked in 520 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: the nbawnba PSG. You both have done collaborations with Round 521 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: twenty one. How do you find some of the inspiration 522 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: and then connection and collaboration that you use for your art. 523 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: I think it's just all of the same of stuff 524 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: that Shannon said, Like, I think that building those connections 525 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: in a very honest way, in a very like transparent way, 526 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: I think is most important. Like I've gone to places 527 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: and if it if I've met someone where it doesn't 528 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: feel right, like I don't continue seeking them out and 529 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: I think that that's another thing too, Like I've said 530 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: no to a lot of things as well that just 531 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: didn't alignment with my values are kind of what I'm making. 532 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 2: And I think that Instagram is so beautiful that we 533 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: can now connect with anybody anywhere around the world, and 534 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: so to be able to like see what other people 535 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: are making and then also see kind of like what 536 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: teams or organizations want to focus on and kind of 537 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: finding the gaps is the most important thing. 538 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: I think when you see someone like Shannon using nets 539 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: in a completely different way, or when you're on your 540 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Instagram and you're seeing other sport intersectional artists, how does 541 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: it work? Because it feels like it's similar to comedy almost, 542 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: where it's so easy for people to come up with 543 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: the same thing or to hear the same note in 544 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: a word and then have it trigger like a setup. 545 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: And so how do you ensure that your work is 546 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: original but also understand that like borrowing from others or 547 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: taking inspiration from others is a part of art and 548 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: is always has been. Mallory. 549 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: I think when I was trying to slam dunk, I 550 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: was thinking a lot about like, no, really, I. 551 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: Was sorry, I just really liked that you tried really 552 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: hard for that. 553 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: Like the actual I guess work that goes into it, 554 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: and it was really mind opening. Okay, So it came 555 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: down to like I was telling people that I was 556 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: trying to do this, and a lot of older people 557 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: and people my age would be like, you're not going 558 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: to do it, Like you're white, you're female, like all 559 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: of these things that I'm like, what, like there are 560 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: women dunk even the WNB right now, Like I don't understand, 561 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: so to bring it outside of just like me making 562 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: work about athletes or me trying to slam dunk, I 563 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: think focusing on bigger issues or bigger conversations that need 564 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: to be had, like wage or like race, or like 565 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: sexuality or gender, like all of those things are bigger 566 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: entry points that then people can start getting into conversations 567 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: and start talking about. I think, like it's different when 568 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: someone tries to create an artwork that is the likeness 569 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 2: of someone else. And it's nice that Instagram exists and 570 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: we see kind of what everybody else is making and 571 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: can be inspired by how things are used or what 572 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: they look like. I think there will always be kind 573 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: of repetition, Like even in my own projects. I kind 574 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: of borrow from what I already made and make it new. 575 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: I think that it's nice when artists are credited for like, 576 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: oh this really inspired me, so that's cool too. But 577 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: I do think like there's still so much more that 578 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: we haven't seen yet, and I'm excited that more and 579 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: more people are like getting involved and getting interested and 580 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: focusing on the smart stuff, like the smart art rather 581 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: than just a replication of like a logo. 582 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: Right, and especially with AI again, it's like, is what 583 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: is making you feel and think instead of like, Oh, 584 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: a computer did this thing, and it's not there's no 585 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,239 Speaker 1: human in it. It doesn't move me in any way. 586 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't feel anything anymore. Something that maybe even used 587 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: to ten years ago be like oh wow, that's cool 588 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, oh that's easy now for a computer, 589 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: it means nothing. It has no value. Well, and Shannon, 590 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting because Mallory takes physical materials and replaces the 591 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: net on an actual rim. You take a real net 592 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: and then use that to create art on other textiles 593 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: and mediums. So first of all, where do you get 594 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: all the nets from? Are we stealing them? Where are 595 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: we getting them? 596 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 3: Dick Sporting goods sometimes Amazon, the Bulls, what I did, 597 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: the what's her net? Or what's your net worth? Fifty 598 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 3: T shirts for Bowlsfest. They actually gave me a game 599 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 3: net that was used in the United you know, so 600 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: that was really cool. And I can reuse them so 601 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 3: I don't have to, especially the ones that I'm doing 602 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: on the T shirts, they can be reused several times. 603 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: But yes, I've got I've got a big bin of 604 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 3: crazy nets and some then you get really like obsessive 605 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 3: the way artists become. What the texture, the size, this 606 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: one does this, this one looks better on the T 607 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 3: You know, you just are experimenting, and yeah, it's it's fun. 608 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: But I have a lot of still huffing fumes all 609 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: day because you just got to keep experimenting and see 610 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: what works best. Yes, we're running out of time, but Mallory, 611 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you quick about dress Code fall 612 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: Winter twenty five. It's about men's sports, are inspired by 613 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: men's sports, but it's still this really fascinating look at 614 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: how the NBA dress code sort of evolved and your 615 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: interpretation of that. Can you tell us about it? 616 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did an artwork a chain cuban link 617 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: chain net for a film that I was working on, 618 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: and I was like doing a little bit of research 619 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 2: of Alan Iverson, and then I was coming across a 620 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: lot of things of the dress code that was put 621 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 2: in place specifically to like cut out the bad boy 622 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: rep that the NBA was getting, especially with the players 623 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 2: that were coming in and playing around that time. So 624 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: I like, did this whole deep dive in just like 625 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 2: jewelry in the NBA straight from the beginning, And like, 626 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: it's interesting how people like athletes used to be able 627 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: to wear it even during games, but it was a 628 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 2: safety hazard, so they cut it out. And then it 629 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: was very like, Okay, everybody needs to suit up, but 630 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: like they were still flashing like their ears, right, So 631 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 2: there's still like ways that athletes got away with showing 632 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: their identity, especially through jewelry, but not necessarily like these 633 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 2: huge chains. Alan Iverson, along with people that played during 634 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: his kind of generation, did go all out with the chains. 635 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: And then after the dress code, players got really smart 636 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: in the way that they were showing their identity through 637 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: fashion through jewelry. The pandemic eased that dress code a lot. 638 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 2: And then now like when I go to events or 639 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: when I go to games, the jewelry that players are wearing, 640 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, I want all of it. So I wanted 641 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: to kind of show the generations of and kind of 642 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: timeline of how jewelry was kind of showcased through players 643 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: through the NBA, but do it in a very what 644 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: ended up turning out feminine? 645 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Darryl Dakins gold chain one, I think is 646 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: the one I mentioned that sort of looks chandelier esque 647 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: and it's beautiful, well and everyone I wanted in my house. 648 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. And then the really thick gold chain 649 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: one is sort of fascinating too because it's both sort 650 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: of it's like hip hop, it's mister T and it's 651 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: athletes with the big like the thickness and what that 652 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: you know says when you when you wear that and 653 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: show up to an event with that? Okay, before I 654 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: let you go, Shannon, any upcoming projects or dream clients 655 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: or collaborations you want to put out in the universe 656 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: so that they can be upcoming projects. 657 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: Hmmm. I would like to collaborate with some youth basketball teams. 658 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 3: I just I'd like to teach a what's her net Worth? Project? 659 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 3: That kind of supports this message, so I think that 660 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 3: would be cool obviously to do what's her net worth 661 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: with college teams, either hoodies or sweatshirts. I'm open to 662 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 3: to whoever aligns with this project. You know, I can 663 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 3: customize colors, and obviously Chicago Sky would be great to 664 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 3: work with again with this project. 665 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: So yeah, WNBPA might be a good one. A lot 666 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: of conversation right now about what the WNBA players are 667 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: worth as they are fighting for the new CBA, So 668 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: that might be maybe even a celebratory item for all 669 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: the players once the CBA is finalized, as we know 670 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: what our net worth is and now we've made them 671 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: pony up and pay for it. Mallory, how about you 672 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: any upcoming projects or dream collabse that would be in 673 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: your future? Good question. 674 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: Well, I have my show in Paris coming up. It 675 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 2: opens up this week, and then I'm working with the 676 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: Sports Bra, which is a bar in Portland or Yeah, 677 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 2: we're from the Playing Women. Yeah, so they're franchising and 678 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 2: opening up different locations around the US. 679 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to. 680 00:37:53,719 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 2: Be making some more crystal chandelier nets for the new locations. 681 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: Awesome, I know. 682 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: And then hopefully I get to work with more athletes 683 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: like I want some looks on the tunnel locks. 684 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: That's my twenty two yes manifestation. Well, unfortunately, Kim Molkey 685 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: already beats you to a sweater with a basketball rim 686 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: sewn into it, so you're gonna have to find a 687 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: different way to innovate in that space. I get the 688 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,399 Speaker 1: feeling yours would look a little different than the one 689 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: that Kim wore. If you're not familiar, I'll send it 690 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: to you. It was literal, It was not particularly artistic. 691 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: It was just a straight up rim on a sweater. 692 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 1: I think you got basket interference if you touched her. 693 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: But I think that there are ways for you to 694 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: innovate in that space and bring your own special touch 695 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: to what the players are So thank you both for 696 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: coming on. It was so cool to hear from you, 697 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: and good luck with the upcoming show and future projects. 698 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks so much, Sarah, Thanks again to Mallori 699 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 5: and Channon for taking the time, and a special thanks 700 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 5: to friend of the show, Lindsay Schnell of The Athletic, 701 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 5: who suggested to me an art but make it sporty. 702 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: Episode with Mallory might be good. Love the Wreck Lindsay. Thanks, 703 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: we got to take another break when we return Red 704 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: Flag Football Welcome back Slices. 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Hit us up on email good 715 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: game at wondermedianetwork dot com or leave us a voicemail 716 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: at eight seven two two o four fifty seventy and 717 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe. Rate and review It's easy watch. 718 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: To paraphrase the fame meme, heartbreaking the worst team you 719 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: know just did a cool thing. Rating fifteen out of 720 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: fifteen years, failing to make the playoffs. Review the NFL's 721 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: New York Jets one of the most embarrassing teams in 722 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: all of sport currently mired in a fifteen year playoff 723 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: drought with a win percentage under thirty percent for the 724 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: last decade. Known for inspiring fans to wear bags over 725 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: their heads, organizational dysfunction, disgruntled employee lawsuits, former quarterback Brett 726 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: Farr being creepy, former quarterback Gino Smith getting punched in 727 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: the face by his own teammate, former quarterback Mark Sanchez 728 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: getting stabbed then arrested, former quarterback Aaron Rodgers being a 729 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist, coach Recks Ryan having a foot fetish, and 730 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: accusations of sexism and racism from owner and Trump appointed 731 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: US ambassador Woody Johnson has announced their launching the largest 732 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: collegiate women's flag football league in the country, along with 733 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: the ECAC the Eastern College Athletic Conference, The league, starting 734 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: in February, will include fifteen Division one two to three 735 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: universities from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio, and Virginia. 736 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: The aforementioned Johnson is making a million dollar investment through 737 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: the Betty Wold Johnson Foundation to support the creation and 738 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: operation of the league and offer grants to participating schools. 739 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: The league. The investment and the Jets. Nearly fifteen years 740 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: worth of support for girls and women's flag football is admirable. 741 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: I just really hope they don't get their rotten stink 742 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: all over these poor college athletes. Now it's your turn, 743 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: rate and review. Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good game, Shannon, 744 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: Good game, Mallory. You crazy glue. Whether I'm trying to 745 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: do arts and crafts or just fix something around the house, 746 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: I inevitably glue my goddamn hands together. Good Game with 747 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: Sarah Spain is an iHeart women's sports production in partnership 748 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. 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