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Speaker 1: Stephane never told you production of I Heart Radio. And

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Speaker 1: it is time for our first feminist movie Friday, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is coming out on Friday of This

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Speaker 1: the people who I'm just kidding. It was a movie

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Speaker 1: It was quite traumatizing. We were talking about promising young

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Speaker 1: woman and I remember I had been meaning to watch it.

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Speaker 1: pretty rough. So go ahead and put content warning here.

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Speaker 1: It is a dramatic movie and it does involve sexual assault, rape, suicide, death, um, murder,

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Speaker 1: it is a rough one you're speaking of. You can

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Speaker 1: see our Rape Revenge episodes for more about this. UM.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of listeners did request this one,

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Speaker 1: this is not healthy what you are doing. And they

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00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: don't even know about like her nighttime right, like your job,

428
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not healthy and people are worried

429
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: about her, and I think she just like lashes out

430
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's so full of anger about it. Yeah, and

431
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: it is like it's heavy handed, but it's also like unfortunate.

432
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: How often I was like, yeah, I've heard this before.

433
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: It starts pretty like punches flying with these like three

434
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: guys on a bar, right, who are like see Cassie

435
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: who's acting very very drunk and talking like amongst themselves

436
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: like boy talk, like you know, they put themselves in danger.

437
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: She's kind of hot just asking for it, like having

438
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: this conversation right, well, you know, I would go a

439
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: step further the intro with the dancing. You're immediately uncomfortable

440
00:25:52,440 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: because the dancing was interesting us. I don't know if

441
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: the choreographer was like, just do some gyrating silly moves

442
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: that makes women uncomfortable and go for it. And that's

443
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: the focus that we see. We see average men, uh,

444
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: trying to be sexy or funny in their drunken state,

445
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: um and automatically and definitely put me back to oh yeah,

446
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: have seen that and it may be uncomfortable made walk away. Um,

447
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: you get that from the shots from the angles. Immediately

448
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: that's where you come into to the three guys uh

449
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: talking and Brodie being the nice guy trying to rescue

450
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: her away from these two my co workers. And it

451
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: even begins to have the conversation about a woman who

452
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: had told them a concern about the meetings and how

453
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: it's going, and all of them saying she's just overreacting.

454
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: She just needs to keep up. Like it jumps into

455
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: how they already dismissed women in the workplace, except for

456
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Adrian Body, who's like, oh, maybe we should talk to

457
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the good guy. We should She's

458
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: not wrong, we should defend her, like trying to overplay

459
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: that character. This movie was coming after a lot of people.

460
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: I was definitely nice guys. You did not come out

461
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: looking good on the other side. Kind of pretty quickly,

462
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: as you said, the casting was purposeful about Hollywood nice guys.

463
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, like that whole like, oh, I'm going to

464
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: save her, and then so quickly Brodie's character was like,

465
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: what would you like to come to my apartment? Very

466
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: very quickly from like oh, I'm going to rescue you

467
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: and heavy quotes to actually my apartments right here would

468
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: you like to come up? And then more drinks when

469
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: she's like acting so wasted um, and then trying to

470
00:27:48,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: have sex with her when she clearly cannot consent. I

471
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: also think that there are certain things that I I'm

472
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: always like I might be just projecting my own stuff

473
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: on this, but I feel like her whole relationship with

474
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: Ryan um who. I don't know how you felt, Samantha,

475
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: but I was immediately like, this is not gonna end. Well,

476
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: I don't know why how this guy is not good either.

477
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: I didn't predict that he was going to be in

478
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: the video. He was a part of it. When she

479
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: fought out the video, I was like, oh no, uh huh.

480
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: But like the friendships, that idea that like these friendships

481
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: are always like like meant to be something else, that

482
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: he always just wanted to date her, And like I said,

483
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: I believe in platonic like relationships with different genders. But

484
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of times when we see

485
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: this it does feel this way. I've had that experience

486
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot, so I thought that was interesting. Uh yeah,

487
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: that whole conversation about not wanting to ruin this nice

488
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: guy's life. So many of them, like you said, they

489
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: had all of these excuses. When they were caught, they

490
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, but I'm a nice I think

491
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: even one of them said that, but I'm a nice guy.

492
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm a nice guy. Yeah. The dude who was trying

493
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: to get her to do coke, yes, yes, I just

494
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: called mccleve and I know that's not his name. Yes,

495
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: so tho was one of other things, like the ending

496
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: when she like slowly get suffocated. Um. The next day,

497
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: al who suffocated her was like it was an accident.

498
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I was like, are you kidding me? You for so long.

499
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: At the same time he's saying, you did this. This

500
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: is your fault, which stop, stop breathing, stop moving, You

501
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: got this, So that's not an accident. No, and it's

502
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: like this was That was the part. I was like,

503
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: I knew she was going to die. I did not

504
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: know it was gonna be so long, and like, that

505
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: is not an accident. No, no. And then also the

506
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: burning scene with her hands sticking out. I was like,

507
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: that's okay, I guess that's just verify as you're seeing

508
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: what you're seeing level and that the callousness of that

509
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: because they were so ready to just throw her away

510
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: and cover it up right, that she mattered so little

511
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: as a human in general, and that was the obviously

512
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: the intent m h. Of that story, and that her

513
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: she kind of expected it was the other part to that. Yeah,

514
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: it's disturbing. Um. There was a lot of like especially

515
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: with Madison, because Madison was sort of here of the

516
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: because they were Madison, Nina and Cassie were friends. Madison

517
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: saw this video was the one who is ready to

518
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: be like you know, she was sleeping around, she was

519
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: getting drunk, like no one's gonna believe you. She had twins.

520
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: She was always talking about them. She makes this like

521
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: joke to Cassie like, oh, you don't have kids, you'll

522
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: get there. Like this whole like one day you'll move

523
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: on and you'll be, you know happy is like me

524
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: because this is what happiness looks like. Um. So there

525
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff like that. I did take

526
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: note of the whole like ladies Nights, uh, pouring Cassie

527
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: a huge drink when she's already drunk. I have always

528
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: felt wary of that. That whole idea to me is

529
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: like it's basically like you're trying to get more women

530
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: into a place, get them drunk so men can pick

531
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: them up, right, and that brings them in in though

532
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: that is a ploy to bring men. They don't have

533
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: problems bring them in like that's I think I sitcom joke.

534
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: In order to get men into a bar, you bring

535
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: more women. Um, and the only way the way to

536
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: get women is to give them drinks are free, free things,

537
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: free admission. The same thing with clubs. They do free

538
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: admission for women that like they had that until twelve

539
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: am free for women like that's and I went to

540
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: a couple of those clubs before when I was young,

541
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: and it exactly is a hunting ground essentially for predatory men.

542
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um. I went to one once where it

543
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: was like women four drinks free and it was like

544
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: four drinks, four drinks, but it was throughout the movie

545
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: of like using alcohol as a weapon. And like obviously

546
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Cassie's whole thing is she pretends to be drunk to

547
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: see what like these nice guys, well we'll pick her up.

548
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: I did. I went to a ladies night in Hong

549
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: Kong and I definitely got something was put in my

550
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: drink and I was I was hospitalized. Yeah, I know that. Yeah,

551
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it hits so quickly, like he I went

552
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: from being fine to very much not fine within like

553
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: an hour. Um yeah yeah. And it's just frightening because

554
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of the like we were talking about, like

555
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: that's just a threat that you face being out, out

556
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: and about in the world. And I definitely had like

557
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: because you keep seeing these instances of them trying to

558
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: have sex with her when she is, you know, supposed

559
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: to be looks very very drunk, like very very drunk.

560
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: And I remember once this guy I threw up all

561
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: over him and he was still like, I still want

562
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: to have sex. I was like, no, I'm good, I'll

563
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: be leaving now, thank you. Yeah yeah um. And then

564
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: this is also like I don't know that this is true.

565
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: I want to I want to stress this, but this

566
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: is what the level we're talking about is. There was

567
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: a rumor at the school that I went to that

568
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: every year this fraternity and it was sort of like notorious,

569
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: like that's the not safe one. Don't go to that one.

570
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: They would choose a girl and get her really really

571
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: drunk and then lock her in this Glass's trophy case

572
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: and then the next morning like take pictures and video

573
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: of her, and it was sort of like a thing

574
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: like you don't want to be the trophy girl, but

575
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: like that whole idea of because there's a lot of

576
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: the guys in this kind of talk about it like

577
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: a game or their laugh about it, and that that

578
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: was just like a real thing. But we told each

579
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: other on campus. I mean, I'm betting, I'm betting there's

580
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: a basis to that for sure, if nothing else. I

581
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: don't like recently, and it's a little different today when

582
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: we talk about these cases kind of like the ones

583
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: that happened for Tanina in this movie, we do see

584
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: specific areas or rooms or as you talk, like fraternities

585
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: who are known and have a reputation um as recently,

586
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: like I've seen TikTok's of students take trying to do

587
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: takedowns of specific fraternities because the school would not handle it.

588
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: So therefore they would organize protests in front of these

589
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: frats um and fraternity and it was It's interesting to

590
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: see because I think I saw at least like two

591
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: or three different schools where they talked about a specific

592
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: organization a specific fraternity, UH fraternal order who was known

593
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: for throwing parties where women were constantly date raped, and

594
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: therefore they would stage protests um in front of it

595
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: because that's all they could do and that was the

596
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: only way they could get any kind of attention and

597
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: justice for the victims. So it's we don't have much

598
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: of that and play other than that's how Cassie stalking

599
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: the individuals and their information. But like that's a newer

600
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: thing that's having to come by to try to get justice. Recently,

601
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: I just saw a tweet from a woman who was

602
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: told her case may not make it into even though

603
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: she did everything correctly. She immediately reported to the police,

604
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: she immediately give evidence, she immediately got an exam all

605
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: the things, and because of that, she went to Twitter

606
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: and she just named the names and went all the

607
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: way down um, and it brought up a huge like

608
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: why are you telling us? Why aren't you going to

609
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: the police. And then she's like, I did, but nothing

610
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: is happening. So here you go, and I want you

611
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: to know who this is and i want you to

612
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: know what happened to me. And I'm not gonna sit this.

613
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how it's ruining my life and it's

614
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: currently ruining my life. Um, and I find it fascinating today,

615
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: like as we were talking about how big of a

616
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: change social media has made, whether it's good or bad,

617
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: but it has because women are starting to with the

618
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: me too movement, which is she said, it's starting to

619
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: gather a courage from seeing others speak out. But I

620
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: found that fascinating too, like the differences in this and

621
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: whether or not they could have turned to that route

622
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: about social media, which I thought would be what was

623
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: going to happen about that tape, To be honest, I

624
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: thought she was gonna post it. Yeah, yeah, and that's yeah.

625
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: We've talked about that in the power of those movements

626
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: on on social media and things like Twitter, where it's

627
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: probably it's impacted to you whether you use it or not,

628
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: but it is. It's just such a shame that that's

629
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: like what it takes, and that that like because it's

630
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: not easy to share that stuff. Yeah. I it's a huge,

631
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: powerful movement, but I hate that it requires kind of

632
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: just like, well, none of these other things have worked.

633
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: So here's my story, um, and hopefully it will prevent

634
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: prevent it from happening to you. At this place or

635
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: or what have you. I mean that's the other part

636
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: is that are naming names so women will be aware

637
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: who did it. Yeah, yeah, Um, my favorite right now

638
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: is them finding Brock Turner and blasting it every time

639
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: he tries to go somewhere how he changed his name

640
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: or changes their parents. Women are like, hey, Rock Turner

641
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: is in this area, be aware. I love it there.

642
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: This is that case and Brett Kavanell, we're definitely shining

643
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: through the story and this one, I would say, Um,

644
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: one of the lines that stuck out to me, and

645
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: we've all we've heard variations of the sign was you know,

646
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: it's every guy's worst nightmare getting accused like that, which

647
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: is what Al says and Cassie says back, can you

648
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: guess what every woman's worst nightmare is? But yeah, that

649
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: that like very clear stark gender difference. I thought it

650
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: was also pretty telling, as you were saying earlier, like

651
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: when Dean Walker, immediately it's like, oh, this is dangerous.

652
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: My daughter is in this room. There's alcoholin men, and

653
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: Cassie has a comment about like, oh, she's safer than

654
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: we were at your school, like your daughter is. But

655
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: also the whole idea of yeah, like dropping out from

656
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: med school after to his experience losing women in our

657
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: workforce or whatever it is, or losing lives because of

658
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: this trauma, because it's going ignored or even mocked, and

659
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: then you know, like trying to paint the picture of

660
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: who was lost, because so many times I feel like

661
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, another statistic sexual assault is bad,

662
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: and we forget who the victim is and like our

663
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: the survivor is. And you see that throughout this of

664
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Cassie trying to be like, remember Nina, Nina did this,

665
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: and she was like this and she was this was

666
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: so much and we've lost her because of this, So

667
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: that was there. It's like, it's strange for me to

668
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: say I did write down friendship because you know, Cassie

669
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: and Nina were very close, but we never see their friendship.

670
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: We just kind of hear about it, and we see

671
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: what Cassie does in her name, I don't know. You

672
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: also see that they've been together for so long and

673
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: the guilt of her not being with Nina holds her

674
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: like not only of course her death is going to

675
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: affect her, but she blames herself for letting her be

676
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: in that situation, or like not being with her to

677
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: get her out of that situation. Mm hmmm. Yeah, it's

678
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: like the kind of like ripple effects of those traumatic

679
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: of its of how it impacts people in your life. Um,

680
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: and I did wanna before we talk about the India

681
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: real quick, I did want to bring up something else

682
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: that I had forgotten about that you reminded me of.

683
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Was when Carrie Mulligan was cast. There was all this

684
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: like backlash of oh, she's not hot enough for this role,

685
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: right right. It was such an absurd conversation because they

686
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: were like, someone like Margot Robbie, she's the one that

687
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: should be doing this. And it was during this time

688
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: I remember Carrie Mulligan came out and spoke out about

689
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: it and had a whole article written about it because

690
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: someone like articles were written that she was not pretty

691
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: enough and she could not get away with this, which

692
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: is a whole different conversation. I'm like, mm hmm, it

693
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: doesn't take much to get men into these positions. And

694
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be gallas or I'm not trying

695
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: to be insulting. It really is about a lot of

696
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the in this specific line of going

697
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: to a club to meet a woman to go and

698
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: spend the night with. I'm sorry, Like, I think it's

699
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: just such a funny level of comparison, Like have you

700
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: not known normal, not Hollywood women going home with people?

701
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: But this also is the same damn narrative she wasn't

702
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: pretty enough, why would she be raped? Kind of, but

703
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: beside the point that Kay Mulligan is a Oscar winning

704
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: Hollywood actress, gorgeous Hollywood actress who has played leading ladies

705
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: for a while, So it's such an absurdity to me

706
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: that they had to be like she has to be

707
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: a blonde bombshell to play this character, which is just

708
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: essentially taking men home while they're drunk, or being taken

709
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: home by men who want to dunk inebriated, unconscious woman

710
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: half the time for their physical purpose. Like it's just

711
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, what do you think this is?

712
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't understand. There's so many things in this narrative

713
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: that is so insulting to every woman in general and

714
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: also every victim in general that it just bems so

715
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 1: ridiculous that that was the critique to this movie. Mm hmmm, Yeah,

716
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: that is a disgusting, harmful narrative. Um, and we've talked

717
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: about it before on the show, So Ryan check that out.

718
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: And then yeah, just to briefly talk about the ending,

719
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: because this was the big thing everybody kept kind of

720
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: hinting at. For me, it was like, holy ending, it is.

721
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: It's really rough. M I think this scene like how

722
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: quickly Al and his friend to go from like oh,

723
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: she's dead. Oh, this is not your fault. It's okay. Uh,

724
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: let's just burn the body and no, everyone will forget

725
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: about her. Yeah. He keeps saying always snicker fault. You're

726
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. And you know, Al thinks, oh, I'm

727
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: going to have this happy life. I'm gonna get married.

728
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: No one's gonna know about it, um, because he's counting on.

729
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: Like nobody investigated with Nina, Um, it would investigate this person.

730
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of like, you know, it's

731
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: still like a dark, grim ending. It was pretty satisfying

732
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: that you get arrested at his wedding. I was hoping

733
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: more people would get arrested, right. I also talked about

734
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: the wedding ceremony of the white people doing that, and

735
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: I know it was a joke and it was a

736
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: play on I think it's a play on crunchy, theunchy

737
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: crunchy movement. I don't know if you know what that is. Um,

738
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: the TikTok level, that's what I how I know it.

739
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking that's what that is. The white women

740
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: doing a drum session. All right, I know this was

741
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: and it was like it was such a blak moment

742
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: to laugh. What is happening? What is happening? Am I

743
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: supposed to laugh here? Because I don't want to laugh

744
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: right now? Um? But that's what we see. And and

745
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: then she him getting arrested. And also I think there's

746
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: also that conversation and maybe reading too much into it

747
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: because when Al says the stripper is dead, he never

748
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: says who she is, So Joe doesn't know who she is,

749
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: and he's like, she's just a stripper. No one's going

750
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: to know, right, not realizing who she was. And I

751
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: don't know if it's ever so said to him, like

752
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 1: we know Al knows, we Al knows that he knows Nina.

753
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't know who she is. Oh, no, he does know,

754
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: because she said you don't remember me. He's like I

755
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: missed him, not been on your radar or whatever? Oh

756
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: you do remember me after he says you're Nina's friend, Um,

757
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: but he never says that to Joe, And I think

758
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: that's the huge dismissiveness and other levels like the talking

759
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: about sex work and what we need to talk about

760
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: and how invisible they can be treated and dismissed us

761
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: human as well. So there's so many under lying things

762
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: to that. Again, I'm maybe waiting too much into it,

763
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: but I think there's that conversation too, and men empower

764
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: dismissing women in specific employments or careers and therefore feeling

765
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: like they can and they are untouchable and they have

766
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: the right to dismiss them as such. Yeah, that was

767
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I definitely got that same vibe. Um, Like how quickly

768
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, let's just burn the body like that. Oof.

769
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: It's like he didn't even think too, Like that was

770
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: like the first things like Oh, let's just burn the

771
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: body because it doesn't matter, she doesn't matter. Yeah, and

772
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: also like I know this wasn't really the point, but

773
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: I did. It did crack me up how quickly they

774
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: went from did anybody order a stripper? Two? Oh, it's

775
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: a stripper, who cares, We don't care who ordered? Like whatever, Okay,

776
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: she feeling let's go yes, And then I did I

777
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: want to touch on really briefly, um, that whole thing

778
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: at the end where everybody's kind of blaming Cassie's mental

779
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: health and like I said, like she for her disappearance,

780
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: like oh, she wasn't doing well, um whatever, But it

781
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: felt like the cops were so ready to be like yeah,

782
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: I was just mark it off the list. She wasn't

783
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: doing well, right, um, kind of these leading questions and

784
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: like I said, like, she isn't doing well. But I

785
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: think that was part of the point, was everybody kept

786
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: telling her to move on from this like horrific thing,

787
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: and she couldn't. And she was like I couldn't just

788
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: ignore that this had happened or ignore that this is

789
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: the world we live in and she's getting told like

790
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: that's just how it is, and she couldn't. And so I, um,

791
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting. I read a couple of

792
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: articles about about that and how like they were so

793
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: quick to blame the mental health, but they would just

794
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: so readily like, but this actually happened, and this was

795
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: an issue, and of course just stremtized from it. Yeah.

796
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: I think in that regards and We talked about this

797
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: in previous episodes. UM. I think when I first started,

798
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: when we see people using mental health and weaponizing mental

799
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: health when it comes to the gender differences, they blame

800
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: mental health for women's downfall, while they blame mental health

801
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: for a man who is violent and are hurting others.

802
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: So it's such a whole different level of who is

803
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: doing what UM to the same effect, like, well, if

804
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: you're saying that he is mentally unstabled, that's why he

805
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: gunned down an entire school, and that's the excuse, so

806
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: we should we should forgive him or something as to where, well,

807
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: this woman died or got killed because she was not healthy.

808
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: Wait what Like it's just it's the opposite effect in

809
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: what we see in this conversation UM and what we

810
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: use and weaponize and how we weaponize it, whether it's

811
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: for or against UM. And it's it's very interesting conversation

812
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: because one is an excuse and one's the reason, and

813
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of that level of Uh, here we go again.

814
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: We see this happen all the time, and this is

815
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: a prime example of this, and we've seen that with

816
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: them missing and murdered Indigenous women, UM that oftentimes their

817
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: mental health or its drug uses involved, or anything that

818
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: they can scrape up to say this is why she

819
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: she's gone and it's her fault, instead of finding a

820
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: reason that to or instead of finding the fact that

821
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: she's a victim here and we need to do everything

822
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: we can do to find them. Is that same stark

823
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: difference here to me as well? Um. I also wanted

824
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: to point out when they were talking to uh Bo

825
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: Burnham's character Ryan Um, they kept thanking him. Honestly, you

826
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: can't be blind to me. You're such an ouderstanding citizen.

827
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: You're doing such a great job. Oh yeah, she was

828
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: so mentally off, almost like thanking him for caring for

829
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: her those levels, like he was doing this out of petty,

830
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: but there's so many things to that level, like oh

831
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: my god, what mm hmm. Yeah, it was like he

832
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: used the victim for having to put up with her

833
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: and her issues and heavy quotes. But yeah, you're so right,

834
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: because when it's women, it's your fault all of these things,

835
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: the mental health, to the drugs, whatever it is. With men,

836
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: we're much more likely like, well, it's not he's fault.

837
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: It's like everybody else's fault. But not is that's what's

838
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: playing out the sexual assault too, Whereas and said, they're

839
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: essentially telling her to move on, to accept that this

840
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: is the world we live in, we can't do any better,

841
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: and she's so angry about it rightfully. Yeah, yeah, I

842
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: mean a lot to talk about, for sure. It is

843
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: a rough one. I recommend it, but be in the

844
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: right mind space, prepare yourself, get your healing movie after

845
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: the comedy. I don't think I immediately texted you like

846
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: I have to watch a romantic comedy or something now.

847
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: Thank you do the listeners, and we always love your

848
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: suggestions and thank you, but yes, I'm just kind of

849
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: mad at you, all right, yes, yes, thank you for

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