WEBVTT - The Atlanta Shooting Part 2: The Red Flag Flying Here 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:14.080 Yep, it's it could happen here a podcast about things 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.200 falling apart and some other stuff occasionally. I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.840 Welcome to the show. Today are guests fresh off their 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:31.960 new hit movie by Paramount Garrison Davis. Uh and and yeah, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.680 what what what I'm doing? Like a like a thing, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.959 Chris Garrison. Garrison's lost the thread? Why don't you pick 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.960 it up? I also have lost the thread? So here's 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.000 a new one. This has been very confusing for two 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:51.000 of an episode, absolutely baffling. Look, you want things to 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.880 not be confusing, you have somebody else introduce your podcast. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:01:00.920 That's just the way it goes noted. Yeah, so what what? 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.600 Welcome to part two of the Atlantis Shooting. Um, we 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:10.800 are back with actually less Atlanta this time, but more shooting. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:20.320 Oh good, Sorry, this is a very absurd. Really we've 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.080 found ourselves, Dear God, just a normal day at work. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:30.440 Oh take it away, Chris, you got this, You got this. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.839 We believe in you. There's there's a tendency, I think 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:39.360 among Asian American writers where when we get confronted with 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.320 what are you know, considered quote unquote Asian American stories, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.240 there's almost inevitably and autobiographical pivot that happens like at 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:52.639 some points in the piece. Um May Jong, the author 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.960 of the Vanity Fair piece I mentioned last episodes, that's 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.680 been a major source for both these episodes. It doesn't 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.960 her piece, so do, I mean like dozens and does 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.480 and dozens of as American writers who are you know, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.960 much more accomplished and talented than I am, and like, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.160 I get it. I I don't blame them for it. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.280 I think it's a powerful way to anchor a story 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.760 and understand the story. And I also think that it's 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.800 why we miss like half of the story that we 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:23.600 when we talk about things, because you know, the the 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.600 the audio autobiographical focus has this tendency to narrow the 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.200 scope into looking at just sort of the US. And 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.560 this story and the story of Asian Americans in general, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.920 isn't just a story about sort of a minority in 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.120 the US or about American imperialism. It's about Asia itself, 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.480 and here especially it's about China and Korea, to lesser 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:50.800 cent Japan. And you know, the histories of these places 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.600 have as much to do with why the people who 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.760 died in Atlanta were in those rooms on that day 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.600 as Christian purity culture does. And you know, by by 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.360 bym actually looking at this, we we got to introduce 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:05.639 another key player in this horror show who only sort 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.240 of appeared change intially in part one, which is capitalism. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.440 Because capitalism is about to show up and make just 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.920 all of this monumentally worse. Yeah. It's kind of like 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:22.079 Steven Seagal in that way. Yeah, I think more much 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:27.160 more active than Steven Seagal, but barely move yea. Capitalism 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.959 unfortunately moves at an incredibly relentless space. Yeah, Capitalism's knees 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:35.760 are an incredible shape. Yeah. So and and and this, this, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.920 this brings us back to Atlanta itself. Now. Yo Fong 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.080 died a hero in the final moments of her life. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.240 As shots rang across Young Zation massage, she motioned for 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.240 Marcus Leone, still half naked on the massage table, to 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.160 stay still and wait for her to walk in front 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.000 of him before he died behind the massage table by 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.080 covering Leon's movement as she opened the door, She sacrificed 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:00.800 her life to save the life of a man she'd 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.160 met just minutes before. Her award, in typical American fashion, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.840 was a bullet in the head. It took six days 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:10.640 for her family in China to realize that she had 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.920 been killed. By village custom, the remains of an unmarried 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.000 woman who left the village could not re enter it 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.359 to be buried. Her body thus lay unclaimed in a 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.600 morgue for nineteen days before she was buried in the 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.880 land of her killer at a funeral's attended entirely by strangers. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.359 Marcus Leone, the man Fong sacrificed her life to save, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.000 was forced to return to work at FedEx just three 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:36.040 days after surviving the massacre. The sound of the packages 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.640 he dropped on his delivery runs sounded like gunshots. He 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.560 quit soon after. There is no justice in this world, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.279 only an unending parade of horror, the details of which 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:55.400 are somehow each worse than the last. And it is Yeah, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.280 this is I think what I wanted to sort of 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.520 what I wanted to talk about this episode, which is 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.080 that like, it's not just that there was a shooting, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:11.000 it's that each element of why everyone is there is 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:17.279 its own successive horror story, and the conditions that produced 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:18.920 this horror or not, you know, they're not just two 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.640 conditions that produce robaderan long They're not just the conditions 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.159 that produced to shoot her. They're the conditions that produced 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.280 Dai Fung, who spent almost her entire life as a 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.000 miket workers, supporting a family whose most pressing concern was 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.440 attempting to marry her off. And and I think it's 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.360 worth tracing out these conditions and how they developed. Because 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.000 a twelve year old girl drops out of middle school 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.320 to work at a factory fifty miles away and that 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.159 eventually is gunned down by an American racist is not 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.360 how the future of Asia was supposed to go. Like, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.599 you know, I don't have much love and imagine not Yeah, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.160 it's like I don't have much love for Maw. But 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.559 I don't think if you showed Maw this, he would 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.440 be like, oh my god, this is the future that 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.760 I wanted for my people. Like this, things have gone 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.640 very badly wrong. And I think to understand how we 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.400 got to this hell, we need to go back to 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.160 another hell, which is the beginning of the Korean War. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.280 And you know what, we've talked about the effects that 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.960 the Korean War had on Korean women in the last episode. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.359 But I think there's a few other things that are 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.320 worth emphasizing here, one of which is that the absolute 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.520 devastation that the war wrought on North and South Korea 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:31.880 is incalculable. I mean, the effects of this is still 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:39.440 felt to this day. It was a utterly devastating war. Um. 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:45.200 But it also has sort of more subtle effects on 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:50.160 the sort of politics and economics of of the region 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.479 because what one of the you know, one of the 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.160 very important things about this war is that the US 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.560 is fighting in East Asia, and this means that the 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.040 US is going to eve an enormous army in South Korea, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.880 which has its own military and sort of political and 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.920 economic consequences. And you know, those troops are still there 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.760 to this day, like technically fighting a war which has 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.040 never formally ended. And you know, we'll come back a 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.080 bit to this later. But this has a enormous application 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.360 for the entire region. Um. I've I've talked on bastards 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:27.720 for about like you know, about so many effects this has. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.680 But you know, Korea and later Vietnam are a major 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.640 like the wars the US fights there are a major 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.120 factor behind the industrialization of Japan, which sees you know, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.320 enormous U S investment as part of this attempt to 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.440 like shorten American supply lines by exporting their military industrial 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.840 complex to East Asia. You know, we talked about the 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.880 Japanese ankle with this, but South Korea is likewise industrialized 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.640 American capital for you know, pretty much the same reason. Um, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.280 you know, and and and this goes on to the 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.080 extent that like Korean troops like fight on the side 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.840 of the US in Vietnam, and you know, in South 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.640 Korea's production base proves a sort of a pivotal military 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.400 asset for the US war machine in the East. Now, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.040 the thing I think, and I think I think that 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.200 part of it, like is understood decently well because you know, 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:14.640 if you if you if if you do if you 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.160 like you know literally anything about this region. You've you've 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.120 seen the effects of this stuff. But the part of 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.520 it I think is less understood is that in China, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.640 this the war has a similar effect, which is that 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.560 communist leadership fights this war right, and it immediately becomes 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.760 clear to them that there is a looping possibility they're 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:36.160 gonna have to fight the US again. And if they're 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.520 gonna have to fight the US again, they need an 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:41.360 actual sort of modern industrial base to fight a war 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:46.200 against the US, and this, you know, this leads to 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.680 sort of militarization industrization, and you you get a look 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.520 at two very different kinds of state led developments, uh, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.960 which I'm going to call state led development corruption and 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:02.160 state state led development socialism question mark, which sort of 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.439 which sort of play out in China and Korea. UM. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.200 And you know, I think it's it's it's worth actually 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:11.800 talking about this because both of these systems are essentially 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.120 going to collapse, and when they do, they are going 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.040 to send an enormous number of people, both in China 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.400 and Korea, you know, spreading, spreading across the world seeking 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:28.320 like any kind of sort of economic salvation. And a 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.120 lot of the people who are killed in Atlanta are 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.280 in Atlanta because of these because of these crises. Yes. So. 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.160 So the first of these is the chapel system in Korea, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.360 which is sort of informally established by the dictator Park 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.000 Junky is like the core of his plan for economic development, 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.800 and it generates a number of extremely powerful family owned 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.319 megan conglomerates with intimate ties to the state and these 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.319 sort of various political factions, and these conglomerates which control 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.680 just vast sections of the Korean economy. I like, like 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.319 like two this day, Samsung, which is the largest the 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.720 remaining Chabels, Like I think I think they're they're total 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.880 percentage of the GDP of Korea's like sevent cent or something. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.160 It's like, it's it's absolutely absurd. Jesus, Yeah, like and 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:16.800 and and and like and the thing is that you know, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.840 and it's sort of it's amazingly about this is that, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.960 like the chabels are much weaker than the used to 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.760 be UM for reasons that we will get to in 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.439 a bit. And you know, when when when they're founded, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.040 when they're sort of at the height of their powers 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:37.520 they have, you know, they're they're they're established with three goals. Um. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.360 There's an attempt to develop the economy. I you know, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.040 there's an attempt to sort of the fuel there'sn'tpt to 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.240 sort of fuel the American and South Korean war machines. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.559 And the third thing I'm trying to do is to 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.240 make a lot of people in the government and their 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:57.040 allies indescribably rich. And it works sort of amazingly, which 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:02.120 is a weird thing to say about development regime started 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.720 by military edtatorship but they have. They have an enormous 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:10.959 amount of mill of American capital military aid, and like 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.079 they do successfully develop, they kill and enormous sumber of 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.079 people in the process, but you know they do it. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.840 On on the other side, you have Chinese state light 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.160 developments and this is also about economic development and fueling 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.040 the military. But you know, the goal here is to 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:33.720 create an economic base for socialism and this does not work. Um. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.280 There there there's number of complicated reasons for this. The 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.199 simplest one is that China just doesn't get the kind 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:44.280 of investment technology transfer South Korea gets until like way later. Um. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.160 But the other really important element of this for this 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.280 story is about the urban world divide. And this is 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.360 another thing I've talked about Bastards like on I've talked 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.480 about on Bastards a bit, but I think it's worth 0:11:55.840 --> 0:12:00.080 going into the details a little bit because otherwise a 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.600 lot of the stuff that's going to happen that is, 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.839 you know, the the part of the story that is 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.559 directly sending twelve year olds off to a factory and 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:16.719 Shenzen like don't make any sense without it. So to 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.600 make a very complicated and shifting set of economic programs 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.240 like as simple as possible. Um, Chinese industrial policy dread 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.360 what's sort of called the socialist period is about extracting 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:29.800 grain from the countryside and fuelly and funneling get into 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.800 urban industrial developments and you know, to get it, to 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.760 get it, like understanding of what we're talking about here. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.880 So the CCP is essentially deliberately under developing the countryside 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.760 in favor of developing cities. And this is this is 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.800 exposed to state policy. UM. From from nineteen of the 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.480 Chinese population is doing agricultural labor, but agriculture receives less 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.720 than ten percent of state investments over the same period. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:00.360 So they are like really really really incredibly not funneling 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.880 any resources back into into rural areas. Yeah, I mean, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.320 is there a degree to that? Is their degree of 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.920 that that is maybe related to like I know in 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.640 the USS are a lot of the early left wing 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:20.440 resistance to the Soviet regime came from rural areas. Um, 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.440 is there anything to do with that, Like, is it 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.360 kind of a desire to avoid developing these places that 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.000 are less controllable? No? And this is this is the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:32.120 sort of interesting about China, is that. I mean, Okay, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.880 so the CCP originally has an urban base, but they 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:41.280 managed to get their retire urban base killed. So this 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.240 is this is this is the cause of like like this, 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:45.400 this is this is one of the reasons for the 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.560 sound of Soviet split. Like this is basically like selling 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.600 in Trotsky or bickering, and their bickering gets like a 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.320 million Chinese communist killed, and that means that you know, 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:57.679 this this this is this is where the sort of 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.120 rise of Mao comes in because Mao is as a 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.040 peasant organizer, and once the entire World Party is dead, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:04.760 it's like, well, okay, so now we have a peasant 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.120 base and they have they actually have a really they 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.640 have they have like a basically unprecedented level of of 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.400 sort of buy in from the countryside. But the problem 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.560 is that the party just isn't interested in world development 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.160 because the thing that they want is they want to 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.920 be able to develop military power and they want to 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.920 be able to develop like heavy industry, and those aren't 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:27.720 things that they think you can do in the countryside. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.280 And so their strategy is just to just i mean 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.040 just literally it's just pure grain extraction from the countryside 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.800 and then using that to feel industrial development, which they're 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.720 doing for I mean, largely ideological reasons, but it also 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:45.120 does have to do with the fact that China, like 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.520 like people people talk a lot about how like, you know, 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:49.680 the communist revolution in Russia happens and like the least 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.640 developed country in Europe, and it's like, yeah, but like 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:57.120 Russia had like several times more industrial capacity in Russian 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:00.920 Revolution than China does after the war. So this is 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.200 a country that is like a complete economic backwater. And 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.560 so you know this, this is this is part of 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.320 what they're doing. I thought, it doesn't it doesn't work. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:14.200 And you know, I actually mentioned that there's one other 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.080 thing that they're doing here, which is that so they're 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.560 based in the peasantry is fairly solid. But the other 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.600 thing they have to use this grain budget for is 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.600 to buy off this like incredibly bilitant working class that 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.760 they've inherited, because these people are on strike like constantly, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.000 and this is this is this is a really serious 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.520 problem for the CCP. And so they you know, they 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.320 have all these wealthare programs, they have all of this 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:40.760 sort of these resources that they're they're paying they're putting 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.640 into sort of buying off this class. And the result 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.120 of this is you have just incredible rural poverty because 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.680 like one of one of the things that happens here 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.400 is I guess, I guess you call the benefits, but 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.880 things like there's like housing, education, like medical care. This 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.120 stuff is all distributed like through your work and through 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.840 your household registration. And so you know, if if if 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.800 you're someone who has a job in the countryside, you're 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.800 the resources that you're getting are are also from the countryside, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.760 and that means that you have just these like awful 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.400 underfooted services, your benefits are terrible, and even if you 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.200 can somehow get a job in the city, which is 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.480 really hard because China also has these like really intense 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:24.800 internal like immigration restrictions, so like if you're like in 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.320 another province that you're not supposed to be, like you 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.520 you will get deported back to your home province. There's 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.920 all these are these really tight controls, and this means 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.600 that like if you're in a rural area, like your 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.560 livelihood is tied to your family unit in a way 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.080 that's like not happening anywhere near as intensely in the cities. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.960 And when I say your livelihood is tied to your 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:50.360 family unit, what I mean is that like other than 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.280 this like brief like token attempt they make to socialize 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.600 like housework, reproductive labor in the greatly forward men in 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.120 the state are just like higherly dependent on uncompensated housework 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:07.200 and production by women, which yeah, it's not just a 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.359 China thing. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's like okay, it's like, 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.360 oh hey, this sounds like your modern system and like, yes, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.840 this is true. Um. But on the other hand, the 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.920 socialists like ideologically are claiming to be better from this. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.840 So I'm holding them through their own standards and giving 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:26.240 them just liked on this because this is like yeah, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.280 I mean, like I think this is really one of 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.920 like you know, okay, so they failed to end capitalism, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:33.639 but I think if if you look at like what 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.840 is the other great failure of the Chinese Revolution, it's 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.040 that they never dealt with the patriarchy. And this means 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.160 like you know what, when when Mao is saying stuff 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.160 about like women hold up half the sky, like what 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.080 what he actually means is that like women's labor is 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.960 holding up like seventy percent of the budget and they're 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:54.119 getting like twenty percent of the pay. And this this 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.639 is extremely important for reasons that we will get to 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.760 in a second, because it turns out if your entire 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.240 economy is based on patriarchy, really bad things start happening 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.720 in terms of your gender politics, which is a thing 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.920 that has never has literally never happened in any other regime. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:12.880 But we should not at all take any lessons from 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.920 this about how her own economy works. It's great, It's 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:28.200 completely fine. The other thing that we need to talk 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:35.879 about is the CCPs just utter full scale war against 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.399 urban workers. And this is not the kind of like 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.720 abstract class war that you hear Left is talking about 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.240 all the time. That's you know about like wages, unionization 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.320 and so forth. Like this is an actual war that 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.000 is resolved by the by just the p l A, 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.440 the Chinese army just butchering the Chinese working class. And 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.960 this comes to a head and the Cultural Revolution, and 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.840 you know, I have I have a whole rant about 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.080 the Culture Revolution that I will do time that's not now. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.879 But the short version of it is that one of 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.120 the things that happens in the Culture Revolution is that 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.439 the CCP crushes these sort of rebel worker factions and 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:17.560 they kill a million people like from from from from Yeah, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:23.560 I mean it's like it's really it's really slick. Comparing 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.800 it like to the scale of like the great anti 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.200 communist purges, like this is I think, I think it's 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.320 actually more. I think it's a million people. I think 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.000 it's more people than than Sue Hardo killed. It's like 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.879 there you go, see there's some left right unity. Yeah, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:43.000 it's well, I mean Mount maw undisputed greatest anti communists 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.320 has the highest number of Communism kills. Well, I don't know. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.040 Let's let's I mean, Joseph Stalin's in that running. That's true. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.280 You've got to You've got to. You've got a couple 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.159 of Titans battling it out here. Yeah, it's it's it's 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.960 a definitely, it's it's it's a difficult choice. But yeah, 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.439 I mean like they are like like this is is 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.919 literally fighting a war against against certain workers. And like 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.520 this is even by like the mid seventies, there are 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.480 there are moments where the army is sending like tens 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.840 of thousands of work since a thousands of troops like 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.080 in the cities to break up strike waves. And this 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.880 is this is an enormous problem for the CCP. You know, Okay, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.320 like it's anorways problem for them politically because it turns 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.840 out that being a communist party and then the thing 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.080 that you're doing all of the time is sending soldiers 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:32.919 to shoot workers is really bad for your political system ideologically. Well, okay, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:37.960 that's your opinion. Yeah it does. It doesn't go great 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.200 for them. And and the the other problem they have is, uh, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.119 you know this, this creates this like this incredible miilituization 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.320 of society and this legion s tegnation and there's all 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.160 this corruption that's happening. But the other problem is like, okay, 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.760 so if you're like a cadre like planner, right, and 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.600 there's always people on strike, you needed to not be 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.159 on strike because you need them to produce stuff for 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.440 your like central planning productions, ed rules, and so all 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.119 all of these like cadre planners start being like, okay, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.280 these workers keep going on strike, like where where can 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.120 we get labor that won't do this? And they start 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:14.000 looking at the countryside and they start going like beard stroke, 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.800 can we send this over here? And meanwhile, like the 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.800 actual world, like real lights are fed up with just 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:26.800 being treated like shit and they start decollectivizing their farms 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.560 because Okay, there's a lot of reasons why they're doing this, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.880 but they essentially start forming these things that become called 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.280 town and village enterprises, which are these like the civil's 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.800 explanation of it is that they basically start for forming 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.600 capitalist companies and trying to make money. But the ownership 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:44.399 structures are a bit different because they're like, you know, 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.760 it'll be like a village, right, and like the village 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.760 like technically collectively owns this like company that makes tires 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.919 or something, right, and this is where you start getting 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.199 markets coming back in China. And the CCP looks at this, 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.840 it goes like, yeah, sure this is fine. Uh the 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.720 this this won't stop our communism thing because we're having 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.680 budget shortfalls right now and if we let someone else 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.680 do this work, we don't have to pay for it. 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.520 And these so these town of village enterprises are called 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.840 tv s. Like mostly what they're doing is they're like 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.360 selling parts and stuff to like these giants. State owned enterprises, 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.719 which are you know, your state own enterprises are things 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.800 that are building like bikes, like tractors or refrigerators, so 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.040 they're like you know, they're selling them like wheels or 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:33.520 like refrigerator parts. And this is this is the thing 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.080 that becomes the core of the Chinese economy, particularly in 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:41.080 Dario Fung's home province of Guandong, because Gando is really unique, 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.840 well okay, really unique province, I guess is the thing 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.000 you can say about literally every province, but Gwendong is 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.240 particularly unique in this period because it's right next to 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:57.080 Hong Kong. And this means that, I mean there's always 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.840 been sort of like capital kind of through really shady 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:04.520 black markets and like people passing each other like notes 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.199 under dinner tables and extra like all all of the 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:11.160 weird like diplomacy stuff that like like Kissinger and Nixon 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.320 get up to is happening through these like weird back 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:16.639 channels that a lot of which are running through Hong Kong. 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:17.800