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Speaker 1: Ron Anian, there's a hierarchy in order to repair. In

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Speaker 1: terms of parts. You know, there's the Holy Grail that's

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Speaker 1: the manufacturer, then there's the automotive aftermarket with a name

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Speaker 1: part that comes from somewhere other than well, comes from somewhere.

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Speaker 1: We're just not sure where, the Car Doctor. They're basing

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Speaker 1: it on. Its Walmart's fault because the engine had one

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Speaker 1: quart of oil in it. Dylan, Yeah, well, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 2: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open.

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Speaker 1: But I am here to take your call at eight

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Speaker 1: five five five six, ninety nine hundred and now he.

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Speaker 2: Running.

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Speaker 1: I think where I want to start today is let's

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Speaker 1: do a little bit of business, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: maintenance speak for Bob in Connecticut who called in on

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Speaker 1: I think it was last week's show, one of the

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Speaker 1: hours he had the nine Cadillac cts and he was

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Speaker 1: looking for the circulation water pump. You know, they ran

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Speaker 1: two water pumps those years for a couple of GM vehicles.

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Speaker 1: Bob has one of them that if the vehicle had

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Speaker 1: a high ambient it was operated in a high ambient

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Speaker 1: So his circulation pump, so to speak, is obsolete. And

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about it here on the show, and

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Speaker 1: we've you know, and we've reached out, We've mentioned it

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Speaker 1: on Aaron and bless you. Some of you responded, A

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Speaker 1: lot of you responded actually, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: mentioned And I don't know if I mentioned this to Bob,

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Speaker 1: So Bob, if you're listening, you know, have you considered

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Speaker 1: GM overstock hear? I think it's goverstock dot com. Or

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Speaker 1: if you just if you just Google search GM overstock,

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Speaker 1: GM overstock, it will come up with GM parts stock

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Speaker 1: or partsoverstock dot com. I believe is the website, and

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Speaker 1: you know they may have it. If not, they may

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Speaker 1: be able to provide you with a lead, you know,

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Speaker 1: but somebody's going to have that out there on a shelf.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe that it's just gone. But I

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Speaker 1: get it. I listen. I'm looking for parts from my

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's sad because a lot of things

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Speaker 1: probably get thrown out that we could otherwise use. So

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Speaker 1: but try that. Go look at overstock dot com and

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Speaker 1: then Google search GM obsolete and see what websites come

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Speaker 1: up for that too. In case I didn't mention that

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Speaker 1: for you, Bob, but I just wanted to relay that

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Speaker 1: that that's what came in from the listeners here best

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Speaker 1: radio show on the planet. You guys really rock. And

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Speaker 1: I just want to mention also before we get started

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Speaker 1: the instructors for Kloy's gear. Cody's going to be joining

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Speaker 1: So I said to Danny, I said, there's got to

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Speaker 1: So anyway, let me pull over, take a pause. I'm

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Speaker 1: running any in the Car Doctor. We'll be back to

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Speaker 1: open up the phone lines right after this. Don't go away.

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Speaker 3: For the best in car advice, give Ron a call

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Speaker 3: eight by five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 3: Now back to Ron.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back listeners, Running any in the Car Doctor, Let's

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Speaker 1: go over to Tom and West Nayak. I think Tom's a

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Speaker 1: return call from a previous show. Tom, are you there, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: Brake pits right, okay? And Tom has electronic or electric

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Speaker 4: The car as clean as the whistle. As a matter

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you may remember you put the Michelins on my

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, now it's coming back to me.

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Speaker 4: I thought maybe I was doing something wrong because initially

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Speaker 1: I've actually seen some of these where they will retract

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Speaker 1: The fact that the parking brake works after you disassembled it,

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Speaker 4: I put everything back together with the old parts. Drove

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Speaker 1: Right, it holds. You put the car in neutral on

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Speaker 4: Yep, not an issue. Yeah then I was never there? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Where then we You haven't got the right procedure yet

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Speaker 4: There's got to be something. The car is clean as

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think Edison said Edison learned forty

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Speaker 4: I totally appreciate the call back, and there's things things

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Speaker 1: Good means all right, Tom, you'll be well, yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it's a procedural thing, and when you're

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Speaker 1: So I'm running Ady and the card actor. The number

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Speaker 1: Our next guest is no stranger to the automotive world

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Speaker 1: or the media. Cody Smith of Chloy's Gear is a

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Speaker 3: Sir, Hey, thank you on it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: You know, timing chains, UH engines have timing chains, right,

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Speaker 1: They have to have a they have to have some

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Speaker 1: explain it to the listeners. What is a timing chain?

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Speaker 1: What does it do.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: The time and chain is pretty simply the you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, automotive timing systems that have gone through many

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Speaker 3: You're gonna you're gonna find, you know, gear to gear

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Speaker 1: Why not, Tody, Cody, Why didn't they stay with timing belt?

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Speaker 1: You know, they went, they went from chain, they went

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Speaker 1: So back up and now, you know, forty years ago,

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Speaker 1: an idler attention or drive of the water pump. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that timing chain is is the

432
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: essential backbone of the engine, right, and it's it's added

433
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: more stress and more it does more of a job.

434
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 1: You know, have has the amount of timing chain obviously

435
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: the responsibility of the chain has gone up. Do you

436
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: see more timing chain failures as a result of that

437
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: added stress?

438
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: Oh? For sure. For sure. You know, like like you said,

439
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 3: it can drive with the four four cams, you know,

440
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 3: and sometimes you have multiple chain inside the engine to

441
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: do that. You know, a three chain system or even

442
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: a four chain system is definitely possible. So so yeah,

443
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: just the demands on a modern system with the BBT operation,

444
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 3: like you said, water driving a water pump, driving a

445
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: balance half, driving an oil pump. Just the demands on

446
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 3: time and change systems or or are way more than

447
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: they used to be, for sure.

448
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: So if you know, in a shortened sentence of if

449
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: there's something the consumer out there listening or the shops

450
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 1: out there that are listening to get their customers to do,

451
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: what sort of maintenance can people do to help promote

452
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: the life of a timing chain, Because it's not something

453
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: you can reach in and grease or lubricate or you know,

454
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a service item during the

455
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: during the course of an oil change, for example, but

456
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: there are things that people can do to extend the

457
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: life of a timing chain, right.

458
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, oil oil oil is going to be the number one,

459
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 3: the number two, and the number three things that they

460
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 3: can do to to keep a timing change system healthy.

461
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 3: The oil oil is critical both pressure and supply. The

462
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: timing chains all need to be properly lubricated. You have

463
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: metal links, you know, combined with metal pins you know,

464
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: working together, so naturally, over time there's going to be

465
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: where and then you know, your your time and change

466
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 3: tensioners to keep the chain tight and you know, keep

467
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: keep instability from occurring. They all require a massive amount

468
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: of oil to keep that chain you know, properly tensioned.

469
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: And then like like I mentioned, modern variable valve timing

470
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: systems also are are heavily dependent on oil supply. Without

471
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 3: that oil supply, you can get instability in that d

472
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: VT system, which is going to cause damage to the

473
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: time and chain system as well.

474
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that for a minute. You know,

475
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: let's we're going to pick on Ford here and listen,

476
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: we could pick on any of the engine manufacturers. They

477
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: all have their issues with VV.

478
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Speaker 4: Take.

479
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Ford has known issues with their variable valve timing actuators.

480
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: Now Kloise makes replacements, right, and that's that's a pretty

481
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: big that's a pretty big task. It's not easy to

482
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: go against word engineering and say hey, we're making a

483
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: better mouse trap, right, you know what sort of engineering.

484
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like if it happened on Monday.

485
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: By Tuesday, you don't exactly you can't have the part

486
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: ready to go out the door. What sort of lead

487
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: time does it take? You know, Ford decides you. You

488
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: start to look at engines as they fail and break down,

489
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: you know, is it is it three months to market?

490
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: Is it six months to market? And and what sort

491
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: of some of the steps that you have to go

492
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: through to verify that what you're doing is actually competent,

493
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: if not better. And with Cloise it's always better. But

494
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

495
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So kind of in the aftermarket, we had

496
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: the benefit of some hindsight, you know, applications that we're

497
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: developing to have been on the market for a while.

498
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 3: We see the issues, We see some of the solutions

499
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: that maybe the OE manufacturers come up with along the

500
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: way to help those you know, initial problems that the

501
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: new platform may have. Being an internal engine component. We're

502
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: not coming to market with products as quick as you

503
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 3: know a break pad manufacturer may do. You know, a

504
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: lot of times an internal engine component's going to be

505
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: covered by the power training warranty for for much longer

506
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: than you know most most product lines are. So we've

507
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: got a little bit of benefit there. We've got time

508
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 3: to kind of study applications, study you know, uh uh,

509
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: you know uh fixes from the oe manufacturer and come

510
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 3: up with a good solution when when necessary to correct

511
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 3: some of these issues.

512
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: So do the manufacturers come and talk to you guys?

513
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: Do they you know, recognize you who for what you

514
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: are and who you are and say, hey, we've got

515
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: this problem. How can we make it better? Have you

516
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: ever had that opportunity?

517
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: We Llcloy's is an oe manufacturer. We we've worked with

518
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: Ford and GM and Nissan and many others in the past,

519
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: so there is a relationship there. But but yeah, a

520
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: lot of times we're looking at what they've done on

521
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: their own to find solutions in the aftermarket.

522
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: So when you know, Ford's vvt actuators, it's a problem

523
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: right on the trucks and and such are the engines

524
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: that have it? Is it the actuator itself or is

525
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: it more a case of people aren't doing you know,

526
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: the three reasons of or the three levels of maintenance

527
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: oil oil oil are they Are they doing cheap oil

528
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: changes and correct oil changes you know to lung of

529
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: an oil change interval, and it's just beating the actuators

530
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: up and they don't work.

531
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can kind of be a combination of everything.

532
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: You know, maintenance is absolutely critical. You know, on the

533
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: Ford phasers that have the real bad you know reputation

534
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: on the forward like five point four liters three valve engines,

535
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: those those suffered a lot from camshaft journal where and

536
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: the VVT actuators are fed from the sealinoid through the

537
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: camshaft journal into the camshaft in order to get the

538
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 3: oil supply to the phasers up front, and a lot

539
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 3: of those were suffering some camshaft journal ware which is

540
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: not allowing the oil supply to it properly reached the VVT.

541
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 3: And then we did some things in the aftermarket on them,

542
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: Coloye's replacements to help in situations like that, for sure.

543
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: So in this day and age of tight supply chains, right,

544
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a tight supply line out there.

545
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: You know today in the shop, we couldn't get oil filters.

546
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: You ever hear of a car called Honda. We were

547
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: out of oil, you know, we couldn't get we could

548
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: we and we buy them by the case. The supply

549
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: house was out of Hondo oil filters for today, today

550
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: and tomorrow, probably won't see a shipment until Friday. And

551
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: you know at what point and how, you know, does

552
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: that affect toys? You know, you've got to get to

553
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: the stage where you're going to you know, you can't

554
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: get certain componentry and you're always sourcing, sourcing, sourcing. Have

555
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: you changed how you you know, create these kits that

556
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: you make?

557
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, there's definitely been changes. You know, I will say,

558
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 3: Coys was you know, uh leading the industry when it

559
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: comes to fill rates during during the COVID you know

560
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: time period. They did a wonderful job preparing for it,

561
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: having multiple sources for for components, to be prepared for

562
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: situations like that and just you know, working on our

563
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: feet to to get you know approved, you know, pushed

564
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: products through the approval process, you know, to ensure that

565
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: we had parts to supply.

566
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: Our customers, right, Yeah, because it's it's critical you guys

567
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 1: are you guys are so big. You know, you're like

568
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: the unsung supplier behind the scenes that nobody sees. And

569
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's when Kloys runs out of something, it's

570
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: a problem because a lot of the industry comes to

571
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: a halt, especially engine assembling. Without engines, we can't put

572
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: vehicles together. And without vehicles, we don't have an economy.

573
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: You know, New War US, right, Yeah, Yeah, we run

574
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 3: into many issues where the oe manufacturers were back ordering chained.

575
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: They were six months behind. You know, six months turned

576
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: into a year real quick, and we were keeping vehicles

577
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: on the road just just on our own, just just

578
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: because we had parts and nobody else did.

579
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you. Hey, Cody, let's pull over, take

580
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: a pause, let me let me let me ask you

581
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: to sit tight for a minute. I'm running any and

582
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: the car doctor. I'm here talking with Cody Smith of

583
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Kloy's Gear and Product. We're gonna both take a pause

584
00:28:46,840 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: and be right back after this. Don't go away and

585
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: we're back. Welcome back, Ron Indian Kardock. You we're here

586
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: talking with Cody Smith. If employees here and product Cody,

587
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: welcome back, sir. Thanks for sticking around, Can we talk

588
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a little bit about replacement interval? You know, is there

589
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: a replacement interval for for timing change and components? Man,

590
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: what parts fail first? Is there something the listeners should

591
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: be aware of?

592
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there kind of is, and there kind

593
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: of is, and I mean chain systems will fatigue before

594
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: the expected lifespan of an engine. But but don't expect

595
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: a vehicle manufacturer to provide you a replacement interval for

596
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: you know, time and chain systems like they would on

597
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: a on a belt system. Time and chain systems really

598
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: aren't considered by manufacturers as an internal engine component or

599
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 3: they are, you know, considered an internal internal engine component,

600
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: so you know, the interval is just not provided like

601
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: like they would on a belt. The expected lifestan, you know,

602
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: kind of greatly depends on the oil system health for sure,

603
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: but also the engine design and uh, you know, the

604
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: demands place on the engine.

605
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: Is is it acceptable?

606
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: You know?

607
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: I mean, can we get an engine to two hundred

608
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: thousand miles and maybe it doesn't need anything, but it's

609
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: had it's had the three levels of maintenance oil, oil, oil,

610
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: and then and then and then you know the other engine,

611
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, the other the identical vehicle at one hundred

612
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: thousand miles. You know, Yeah, we went to ten thousand

613
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: miles on one oil change, and we went to twelve

614
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: on the other, and then we did one at six,

615
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: and then we did one at eight. And yeah, it

616
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, maybe we didn't use the best oil

617
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: we could find. We kind of didn't worry about manufacturer respect.

618
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: Is that the one that is more likely at one

619
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: hundred thousand mile mark to need that timing chain or

620
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: have a stretched chain or guide failure and all the

621
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: other possible ways that chains go bad.

622
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, But there's definitely other factors there.

623
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: You know, manufacturers are constantly trying to reduce like noise,

624
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: vibration and harshness and reduce you know, rotating mass, NOE.

625
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: No two timing systems are the same, so you're naturally

626
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: going to find systems that don't hold up as well

627
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: as others do. So MVH initiatives. They have a huge

628
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: impact on the design of a time and change system.

629
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: So some change systems are just designed to withstand a

630
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: little more abuse than others are, right, you know, And

631
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: then you said, of course oil change inter rules and

632
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: maintenance is huge.

633
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: Does does coolant you know, correct coolant coolant service, A

634
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: properly operating cooling system. You know, an engine that's running

635
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: a little hotter than it's supposed to, is that going

636
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: to have an effect on timing chain componentry somehow some way?

637
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: I mean it definitely could. You know, I would consider

638
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: kind of the impact on the oiling system when when

639
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: you're speaking to you know, engine operating temperatures and things

640
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: like that, right, you know, so of course, a good

641
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: healthy operating oil system, a proper you know oil temperatures

642
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: is going to lubricate better than you know.

643
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 1: And otherwise, so everything everything comes back to maintenance, right,

644
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: just just just keep doing what they're doing. Oil change

645
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: is cool and service probably even fuel system cleaning, keeping

646
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: the engine running balanced and clean. A good PIEC of

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Speaker 1: V system. Everything comes back to affecting oil life and

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Speaker 1: uh and its ability to lubricate and do what it's

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, And you nailed it on the

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Speaker 3: PCV system. You know, engines that have issues with PCV

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Speaker 3: or deathly you know that you're going to see hand

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Speaker 3: in hand TCV issues with with time and change issues

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: So Cody in our last in our last minute and

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Speaker 1: a half kloise. They make some common kits. Now, right,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the common engines. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: guys cover everybody, but what are some of the big

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Speaker 1: sellers right now that Cloys has come to market with.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, we've got a full Oe replacement line.

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Speaker 3: We cover over ninety percent of all you know, vehicles

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Speaker 3: in the North American market. You know, of course, most

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Speaker 3: commonly are our heavy hitters are going to be like

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Speaker 3: the GM High Future V six that you know had

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Speaker 3: timing system issues from the start. The Ford three five

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Speaker 3: Ford three point five Eco boost applications and even the

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Speaker 3: front will drive three fives are are big because of

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Speaker 3: the driving of the water pump, and water pumps typically

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Speaker 3: have a little sooner replacement intervaled in the timing system,

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Speaker 3: so a lot of times the system getting replaced as

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Speaker 3: a preventative measure. And of course GM Eco tech is huge.

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Speaker 3: And then we still see a ton of the Ford

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Speaker 3: modular applications, even though it seems like they hadn't built

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Speaker 3: that engine now in fifteen years, the right still sell

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Speaker 3: a bunch of those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess I guess that's because there's just

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Speaker 1: so many of those vehicles still out there on the road.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you can you compare the price of

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Speaker 1: a new pickup truck sixty seventy eighty thousand dollars to

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Speaker 1: the place of a you know, a timing chain overhaul

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Speaker 1: a couple of grand It sure makes sense, right.

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Speaker 3: Yep, especially with the price of views vehicles and new

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Speaker 3: vehicles now right yep?

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Speaker 1: Hey, Cody, where can the listeners go get more information

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Speaker 1: if they want to know read more about Kloys and

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Speaker 1: maybe possibly see you on your YouTube channel, you big

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Speaker 1: star you Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just visit our website at Kloyes dot com our

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel. Just just search Cloys on YouTube and that

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Speaker 3: should pull right up. And if you really want to

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Speaker 3: keep up to date with new videos and product offerings,

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Speaker 3: you can join our shop master's community on our website

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Speaker 3: at Chloyes dot com. Uh, we'll send you a news

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Speaker 3: newsletter about once a month. We're not gonna fill your

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Speaker 3: inbox full of clutter, but but that'd be the best

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Speaker 3: way to really keep up with what we've gotten.

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Speaker 1: You cool being to Cody, It's been an absolute pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 1: We'll get you back again real soon. You have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of the weekend you too. Thanks Ron, You're

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Speaker 1: very welcome. I'm running any in the card Doctor. We're

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Speaker 1: back right after this. Don't go away, but not as

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Speaker 1: you see today.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back listeners. I just want to thank Cody Smith

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Speaker 1: once again of Kloy's gearing component Ploys dot com. C

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Speaker 1: l O y e s dot com is the website

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Speaker 1: if you've done any questions or you want to stay

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Speaker 1: up to date, and we'll look at the product line

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Speaker 1: c l O y Esclois dot com. Interesting right about

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Speaker 1: it kind of comes back to its maintenance. It's common

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Speaker 1: sense and keep doing those oil changes and you'll keep

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Speaker 1: that car running a good long time. Once again, thanks

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Speaker 1: to Cody and that we appreciated the information from Nobody

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Speaker 1: late on so this weekend, so until the next time,

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Speaker 1: let me just say real quick, I'm running any in

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Speaker 1: the car doctor, and I want to remind each you,

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Speaker 1: every one of you, the mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless.

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