1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Why from our nation's capital, this budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: to do nothing spaceports. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and Politics 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: colliding Floomberg Sound On, The Insiders, the Influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The present has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven h D two U 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: S m C A stalled on Speaker of the House 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's desk? Will it ever ever get signed into law? Meanwhile, 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: fallout regarding the Navy seal? What does it all mean 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: for the impeachment inquiry? More developments on the impeachment front, 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: and a special guest tonight, Mary Williamson is here thankfully right, 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Marian Williamson's back on the show. Here in studio, we 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: also have a panel of political all stars. Jason Rosen 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: mom He is the founder of Sea Word Square Strategy, 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Steward Square Strategies, former digital ads director for the Hillary 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: Clinton presidential campaign, and Tyler Deaton, Republican strategists and fundraiser, 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: president of Allegiance Strategies as well. So much to get 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: through on Thanksgiving Week. Maria Williamson is here with me 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: in studio. How are you. I'm great? Thank you. It's 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week? And where are you going to be spending Thanksgiving? 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to be flying that day actually from Washington 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: to Iowa, Iowa, and you're gonna get turkey? I hope. 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's I mean, it is Thanksgiving. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: You have any traditions that you do for Thanksgiving every year? No? 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm at a point in my life experience 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: where the idea of a day where I don't have 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: to be anywhere, I have turned down invitations because I'm 33 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: so excited that maybe I could just stay pajamas and 34 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: good for you, you know, I feel like we have 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: that in common. I think most America, you know, we 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: make this big hoopla like where you're going to be, 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: and there's more stress and tension and anxiety for most 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: people associated with where are you going to be for dinner? 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving going to be because it's all just a 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: trade while playing along. But everybody's like I wish I 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: could stay in bed exactly. Okay, So a lot of 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: news over the weekend. Let's start. There's some more people 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: running for president. For former New York City mayor Michael 44 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's running for president. Your thoughts, um, I think he's 45 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: done great things with a gun violence. I really admire 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: that he's done some great things with the environment. I 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: really admire that. The problem I have is not with 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg personally. The problem I have with this is with 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: a system. This is someone who, because he can afford it, 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: has bought thirty seven million dollars in television ads already. 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: This is undemocratic. Once again, it's not about him, It's 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: about a system. I think many Americans don't remember or realize. 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: Even we own the airwaves, there is in this country 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: what I call the campaign industrial complex. And I know 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: all about it because I'm in the belly of that 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: beast right now. And it's a beast. It is a beast, 57 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: and every every candidate should be given free television time, 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: and it should be equal for every candidate. Does this right, 59 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: doesn't Europe have this system. Yes they do, because the system, 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: the political establishment and the media establishment, should be facilitating democracy, 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: not dictating democracy, and sure a sect, not manipulating democracy 62 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: for the sake of a dollar. And that is what 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: is happening now. Maria Williamson, we talked about this the 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: last time you were on in terms of the debates 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: and qualifying for the democratic pates, and his candidacy has 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: raised all sorts of questions because he says he's going 67 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: to sell fund which means that he won't be able 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: to meet the threshold of the different I think there's 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: like a certain amount of donors that you need, which 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: raises questions about can you go to the debate. So 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: there's all of these but they will let him in 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: because he's part of the club. Is that fat? Of course, 73 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: it's not fair. It's the the the establishment perpetuates itself. 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: It's the way the status quo perpetuates itself. So, um, 75 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: what you have is this reality TV show. That's what 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: these debates are. And the d n C it's a 77 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: private corporation. You know, these debates used to be run 78 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: by the League of Women Voters. I didn't know that. Yes, 79 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: when did that change. Um, you know, I always to 80 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: look that up. Yes, it probably was it in the seventies. 81 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Was it in the eighties, I'm not sure. And the 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: presidential debates used to have a lot more gravitas. It's 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: become like a TV game show. Now it's like no 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: different videos, the lights right, It's like the two boxing 85 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: champions that are meeting in Las Vegas this weekend, and 86 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: with all due respect, they kind of would rather go 87 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: see a boxing match than a bunch of politicians debating. 88 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: You know what, I think some people would rather see 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: the politicians. But what matters is that we understand this 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: is not what democracy should be. Democracy should be more 91 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: sober than this, and democracy should be more free and 92 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: open than this. The voters, particularly these early primary voters, 93 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: they do not need the d n C or or 94 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: anyone to men and limit their choices for them. And 95 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: as a disclaimer, uh, he of course is the founder 96 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: a majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of 97 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News. You have a healthcare plan out, I do 98 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: it can. It was revealed today and it's a complete 99 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: revolutionary paradigm shift. It has not it has to do 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: not only with treating illness, but with creating health You know, 101 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: we have a healthcare plan, and I talked about this 102 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: at the first debate. We have a healthcare system that 103 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: really is a sickness care system. We need to do 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: more than to be providing universal coverage, which my plan does. 105 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: We need to also be asking ourselves why is it 106 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: that Americans are so much sicker than these citizens of 107 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: other countries of equal wealth and prosperity. We need to 108 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: recognize that eighties six cents of every dollar that we've 109 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: spent on on on our healthcare is on something that 110 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: actually could be reversed through lifestyle changes. So all we 111 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: talk about our health insurance companies and all we talk 112 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: about is the pharmaceuticalization of healthcare. What we should be 113 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: talking about is diet. We should be talking about exercise, 114 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: We should talking about stress relief. We should be talking 115 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: about about mindfulness. We should be talking about the fact 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: that so many of our food policies, are chemical policies, 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: are environmental policies, are agricultural policies actually contribute to the 118 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: conditions that cause illness. Should teach us in schools now, 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 1: of course, and so what's happening here is that most 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: all of the candidates when they talk about their health 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: care plan, it has to do with how to ameliorate 122 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: the suffering of people who are ill. But what we 123 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: need to do is challenge the underlying forces that make 124 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: all that suffering inevitable. And that's what So what's interesting, 125 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: Mariam Williamson, is that when you're talking about this and 126 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: and in terms of the messaging, not once in the 127 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: last uh in your explanation did you did you mention 128 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: a price tag? And so much of the debate right 129 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: now is medicare for all? What's gonna cost? What's this 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: plan costs? The point of trying to get out? So 131 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: I guess how how do Democrats, whomever the nominee is, 132 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: get beyond the is a medicare for all? Is not 133 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: medicare for all? Well, I can't speak to what other 134 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: Candida it's going to say, but I can speak to 135 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: my own plan. I do not believe that we should 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: go to a specific government run medicare for all as 137 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: for someone like burning. But I do think we should 138 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: remember that health creation is wealth creation. Health creation is 139 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: wealth creation. Is that first of all, the more health health, 140 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: the healthier people are, the less money they're having to 141 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: spend on treating illness and the less money that the 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: government would have to spend. But also, healthier people are 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: happier people, they're more productive people, they're more creative people, 144 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: and that is where money comes from. So everything in 145 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: my plan that has to do with incentivizing a healthier lifestyle. 146 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: Everything that in my plan incentivizing the actual health health 147 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: creating indicators, and that has to do with regulating our food. 148 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: It has to do with the fact that we have 149 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: contaminants and a water that should not be there. We 150 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: have carcinogens in our food that should not be there. 151 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: We have we have toxins inn air that should not 152 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: be there. What does that do? That creates greater short 153 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: term profit for food companies, chemical companies, etcetera. But it 154 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: creates more cost for people not only in terms of 155 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: their health, but in terms of their health, in terms 156 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: of the money that they have to spend on healthcare 157 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: and the money that the government has to Would you 158 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: argue that the people who get hit the most in 159 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: that argument that you just said are rural Americans and 160 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: urban Americans and people of color, And I mean, it's something, 161 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: but it's something that the socio economic divide in this 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: conversation that we're having is this is these are the 163 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: folks who are hit the hardest pier absolutely, of course, 164 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: and people of color are twice as likely to be 165 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: living near toxin spewing UH buildings and industries. When we 166 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: when you look at the highest level of when you 167 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: look at the level of our asthma, the level of obesity, 168 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the level of our diabetes, and you look at how 169 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: much higher it is for all Americans than people in 170 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: other countries. But then you look at how even higher 171 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: it is for people of a financial disadvantage, for in 172 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: since look at how many millions of Americans in this 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: today live in food deserts where they don't even have 174 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: access to fresh food. They don't even have access to 175 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: fresh produce. We have medical schools, which because the medical 176 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: schools are driven so much by pharmaceutical money, we have 177 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: doctors who go through medical school and maybe took one 178 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: half a semester in nutrition. So part of my plan 179 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: is that is that the patient, it is absolutely mandated, 180 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: but every patient is informed. This is the pharmaceutical response 181 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: to what is wrong with you. But these are the 182 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: health and lifestyle and this is all scientifically proven. You 183 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: might have seen something that came out just the other 184 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: day about stints. Oh my gosh, we we we now 185 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: have proven that that lifestyle changes and diet changes are 186 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: just as effective. So as part of a patient's bill 187 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: of rights, patients should be informed. They should all be 188 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: on the net. That should be a doctor should sign 189 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: that this patient has been informed. Because right now, when 190 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: you look at what has happened with the with the 191 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: saclophae emily, when you look at what has happened with 192 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: predatory practices regarding opioids, this is all across the board. 193 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: The health insurance companies and the big pharmaceutical companies are 194 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: part of the corporate aristocracy, along with the food companies, 195 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: along with the chemical companies, along with the UH oil 196 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: and gas, et cetera. So on one hand, the government 197 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: is allowing these people to make us sick, and then 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: the government is allowing these people to dominate our healthcare 199 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: at this needs. I mean this is I grew up 200 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: as everyone if you if you're a listener of the program, 201 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in a politically diverse household 202 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: outside of Philly. I was visiting my family just the 203 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: other day over the weekend, and I mean, these are 204 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: the conversations no matter what your political stripes are. What 205 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Marian Williamson is saying, everybody people have this is the 206 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: conversation of Republicans and Democrats with fact. Can you say 207 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: for another segment? Absolutely, because I want to get your 208 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: take on impeachment and all this stuff with going on 209 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: up on Capitol Hill. It's been a dizzying day of news. 210 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a slow Thanksgiving week. 211 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: My friend, all right, coming up panels here as well, 212 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: will get them to try and download the Bloomberg Sound 213 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or 214 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find 215 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: us on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. 216 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Serelli, Chief Washington correspondent with Bloomberg Television and 217 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. My Eagles lost, Oh my, what the season? Is? 218 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: Just not my weekend, folks. You're listening to Bloomberg. This 219 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and 220 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: one oh five two Monday, Folks. I was talking with 221 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: the Republican source just last week who told me that 222 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: she's driving to Utah with her entire kids. I think 223 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: she's got like three or four kids under the age 224 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: of ten. Oh my gosh. Driving from d C, d Utah. 225 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Drive safe. Wherever you're going this week, you can go 226 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: there slower, drive safe. It's incredibly busy travel week, and 227 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: make sure to do something. It is Thanksgiving week for 228 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: other people. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Boomberg 229 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. Tyler Deaton's here, Republican strategist, fundraiser 230 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: and president of Allegiance Strategies. Jason Rosenbaum, founder of Seward 231 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: Square Strategies, former digital ads director to Hillary Clinton's campaign, 232 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: and the Mary Ann Williamson, Democratic presidential candidate and just 233 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: all star author and person in America. Thanks for being here, Miriam. 234 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. Impeachment so we get these headlines today, and 235 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: my sources up on Capital Hill are telling me the 236 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: House Intelligence Committee is putting together all of the different 237 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: UH information based upon the public impeachment hearings, moving it 238 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: one step closer towards articles of impeachment, likely right after Thanksgiving. Well, 239 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: I support the inquiry. I the Congress people are doing 240 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: their constitutional issue duties and we'll see where this goes. However, 241 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: Americans need to be able to walk in chew gum 242 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: at the same time. And there are cliche every I 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: can't go a show without anyone saying, all right, well, 244 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm never going to say it again then, because you 245 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: just said that, Miriam wins and uttered a couche and 246 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: I guess, I'm I guess I'm guilty. But okay, I'll 247 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: never always call it out. I need a buzzer. Okay, cliche, 248 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: but okay, okay, guilty as charts. However, my point is 249 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: well taken, and that is that, regardless of how impeachment 250 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: turns out, we have thirteen million hungry children. We have 251 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand homeless children. We have a national security 252 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: agenda based more on preparing for war than preparing for peace. 253 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: We have a healthcare system that has more to do 254 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: with enriching pharmaceutical companies and healthcare insurance companies and food 255 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: companies and chemical companies and and UH and agro business. 256 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Then it has to do with actually creating peace. And 257 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: we have I mean creating health. We have a dire 258 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: emergency regarding our environment, and so it's very, very important 259 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: that we not get lore it away into the screaming drama, 260 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: the screaming emergency of the impeachment hearings, at the expense 261 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: of these larger, silent dramas that are just as critical 262 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: to our country and to our history Republican strategies. When 263 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: you hear Marian Williamson, a prominent voice now within the 264 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, talking about impeachment, where where do you think 265 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: the moderate Republicans will land once likely articles of impeachment 266 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: are brought? Well, I think up your mics off? My bad, 267 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: I turned off your ahead. That's okay. I think that Look, 268 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: the the people who are speaking out already, people like 269 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Congressman will Heard, are saying that they have not seen 270 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: enough evidence to impeach the president. And I think he's 271 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: about as good as a bell whether as you can get. 272 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: He's a moderate Republican who's retiring, and he doesn't see 273 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the evidence there yet. And I think that as we 274 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: get over to the Senate um, if the House does 275 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: vote to impeach, I don't know. I mean, I think 276 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: that we're getting a lot of conflicting information about the 277 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: White House. Whether they want a long trial or a 278 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: short trial. I think that they're undecided. But I don't 279 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: know that any of this is changing anyone's mind, and 280 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: if you're just tuning in, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Shifts, 281 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: saying just within the last sixty minutes in a letter 282 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: to lawmakers that his committee has completed public hearings and 283 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: they're likely going to release this report on the impeachment 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: inquiry after Thanksgiving. Jason rosenbum, I mean for for candidates 285 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: like Marion Williamson, who are having to compete for headlines 286 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: enough as it is in a crowded field. Now you've got, uh, 287 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: the the impeachment thrown in. That must be tough for Democrats. Well, 288 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I think it's too early. I think it's too early 289 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: to know. I mean, I know there was some polling 290 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: this weekend that showed that the public opinion, you know, 291 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: the public opinion is moving away from Democrats on this issue, 292 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: but it's I think it's still very early to tell, 293 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: and pulling, as it usually is, is kind of a 294 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: mixed bag. Um. I think what's important to think about 295 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: how this affects the president in there is a political 296 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: eternity between the end of these proceedings in the election, 297 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, Republicans are going 298 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: to end up having to run on taking healthcare away 299 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: from tens of millions Americans, millions of Americans, and a 300 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: lot of this is going to be, it's gonna be, 301 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna be not forgotten, but out of the forefront. 302 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: Mary and Jason makes a good point there, because when 303 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: you're on the campaign trail, when you're traveling all throughout 304 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: the country, are people asking you about impeachment or they 305 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: asking them to you to his point about policy, No, 306 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: they're not. And I also think it's important to remember 307 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: that two years ago, the emotional tenor was raged. Now 308 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: the emotional tenor is exhaustion. People are just exhausted of 309 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: all this burnout, burnout. They just don't want to and 310 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: if and and that's what concerns me about the impagement thing, 311 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: not that I don't support the inquiry people, just just 312 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: the fighting people. And it's is burning out and tuning out. 313 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: And if we have that, um, that's why in my 314 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: campaign I talked very little about Donald Trump. Uh So, 315 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: one person to me the other day, I just don't 316 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: mention him. Every time you mention him, it's like rain 317 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: we I want to I want to help America and 318 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: an aberrational chapter of our history and begin a new one. 319 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the most incredible era lying 320 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: in front of us on the other side of our 321 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: cleaning up some things that need to be cleaned up. 322 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: And a lot of those things that need to be 323 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: cleaned up we're not created by Donald Trump. The things 324 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: that needed to be that need to be cleaned up 325 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: created Donald Trump. That's a larger conversation, and that's the 326 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: one that I think the heart of Americans is yearning 327 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: to the chattering class. You've been so generous with your time. 328 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: So this is the last question I have for you 329 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: before I let you go. Uh. The chattering class here 330 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: in Washington says that it's going to be difficult for 331 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: candidates like yourself and other candidates and candidates who are 332 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: senators to compete for attention, to compete for voters when 333 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: there when there is this this impeachment happening, is that 334 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: it's only because the political media industrial complex is promoting 335 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: the narrative that gets them, that makes the money, gets them, uh, listeners, 336 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: gets them people cooking in as opposed to the ethics 337 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: of journalism, which is giving people a broader perspective on 338 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: what's really going on in the country, whether that's the 339 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: daily superficial drama or not anything else you would add, 340 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: I want to come back. I love you. You're always 341 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: so wonderful to me. Thank you. Well, you know I'm 342 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: I think I'm fair one unfair. You're very like a 343 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: wonderful person. Thank you. Thank you. Marian Williamson. That means 344 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot to me, and I am always down to 345 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: talk policy and politics anytime. And stay safe out there 346 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: on the campaign trail. Thank you so much. All right, 347 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: that's Marianne Williamson coming up. We're gonna talk more policy 348 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: and politics with Tyler and Jason. 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So I'm checking the socials during the 356 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: day today, trying to keep up a trade which we're 357 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna get to in a second, and and Conan is trending, 358 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Conan O'Brien, what did he do? But 359 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: then it finds out that it's Conan the Dog. I'm 360 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television. I'm Bloomberg Radio. 361 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: Jason Rosenbaum's here, founded of Seward Square Strategies. Former digital 362 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: ads director to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Tyler Deaton's also here, 363 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: Republican strategist who told me in the break that he 364 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: would love to break down the entire crowning story. Okay, 365 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: so here's your chance. A Clay correspondent, what happened today 366 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: with Conan the Dog. He was the dog that was 367 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: injured in the albag Dottie Raid. And President Trump honored 368 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: this dog at the White House today and there's like 369 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: this great picture of the Vice President with Conan. But 370 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: first off, you called Conan and he and this is 371 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: the biggest misunderstanding. Conan is a girl. This is a 372 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: good girl who helped kill the founder of dies or 373 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: isis as many people know it. This dog is adorable too. 374 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean she's gorgeous and a lot of people think 375 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: she's a German shepherd. She's not. She's actually a Belgian malinoa. 376 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: You really know everything about this story. Office. Look, it's 377 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: not every day that the dog visits the White House 378 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: that killed the founder of isis head. No, No, it's 379 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: awesome and I I loved animals and I and I 380 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: love this story. I really do. The headlines on this 381 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: are are interesting. I'm gonna be no opinion politicals headlined 382 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: the ultimate Fighter. Trump shows off Conan, the military dog 383 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: from Beg Dottie Raid. Fox News Conan dog injured and 384 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: now Beg Dottie Raid honor by Trump at the White House. 385 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: The Washington examine her Twitter user smear Cone in the 386 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: hero dog to own Trump and NBC Trump all comes 387 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: here a dog at the White House. Conan is a 388 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: tough cookie, the President said, all right, enough about it. 389 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: I think I think she's now unofficially the first dog. 390 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: I think I think Barren should should want a dog. 391 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: I think you know, Jason, Jason, you're like scared to 392 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: interject yourself into the conversation and watching your face, I 393 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: guess you're a cat guy. This isn't should be the 394 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: top of Baron's list. Okaye Grisham White House Press Secretary 395 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: get on that. I will U U s m c A. 396 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: How's that for a pivot? Everybody you I couldn't do 397 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: the show with Maria and Williamson did not talk about 398 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: um um U s m c A. So it's looking 399 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: like it's it's stalled. I mean, I'm struck by this 400 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: because so many people and the Democratic Party have really 401 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: been have really been pushing it, and President Trump is 402 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: at the White House today talking about its Presidents said, 403 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: quote it's sitting on Nancy Pelosi's desk. She's incapable of 404 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: moving it. It looks like she can't. Everybody knows it's 405 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: a great deal. She knows it's a great deal. She 406 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: said it, And quote Jason, why aren't Democrats Why isn't 407 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi playing ball in USMC. Look, we have to 408 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: make sure that trade, their trade negotiations are fair to workers, 409 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: that we enforced free trade around the world, that we 410 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: enforce environmental standards, and that we're all on a on 411 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: a level playing field. And whether it's U s m 412 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: c A or it's tariffs with China, which right now 413 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: we're the trade war that the President is engaging in. 414 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: Is is pays to potentially be a major disaster. Um, 415 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: it's hurting manufacturers, it's hurting consumers. It caused the average 416 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: American family that the tariffs on China right now because 417 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: the average American family between three hundred thousand dollars a year. 418 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: That this was sixty dollars a year ago. This is 419 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: actually hurting American families in a very real way. UM. 420 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: And at the end of this, I don't I don't 421 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: know we what we get. I mean, I think what 422 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: I worry is that we end up with status quo agreements, 423 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: UM that really don't solve any of the underlying problems. UM. 424 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: And it the worst we we we do irreparable damage 425 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: to major sectors of the economy. Well, look the U 426 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: S m c A. It's a major modernization of NAFTA. 427 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: And uh, we have two chambers. We have Leader McConnell 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: running the Republican majority of the Senate. We have Speaker 429 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: Pelosi running the Democratic majority in the House. And it's 430 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi who is still refusing to put U. S 431 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: n c A on the floor. And I think that 432 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: it's a real testament to the fact that she is 433 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: still being held captive by some of the far left 434 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: members of her own party. And look, I'm the first 435 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: to recognize both parties have extremes, but right now it's 436 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi who's being held hostage by her extreme members 437 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: in the House, and that's why we're not having a 438 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: vote on the U. S M C A. I mean, 439 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: but to push back just a little bit, I mean 440 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: Richard Trumpka, who's the head of the A F L C. 441 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: I Oh, I wouldn't label him an extreme mess, would you. 442 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 1: I don't think that he's the one who's voting. I mean, 443 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: but he's in the squad that are holding up this vote. 444 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: He came out and said he wanted it to be 445 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: more progressive. That's my point. And look at that House 446 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Democratic Caucus. I mean, you would think from you would 447 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: think from the from media coverage that the four members 448 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: of the squad were the only people elected in We 449 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: elect over a hundred members from almost highly moderate districts 450 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: around the Christian country. I mean, so you know, to 451 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: say that it's being held up by you know, progressives 452 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: in the caucus, I think is probably not an accurate 453 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: representation of the House. I mean, but that is the 454 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 1: math right now that Speaker Pelosi is struggling to consolidate 455 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: the far left of her own party, and that's why 456 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: we're not having a vote to pass and adopt the 457 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: new U s m c A. And I'm just struck 458 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: by this because I started the day on Bloomberg Television 459 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: and we're talking about US and China trade policy with Pharaoh, 460 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Pharaoh, and you know, I was reporting with him 461 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: about how China is making a concession to go to 462 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: the other trade front here the US China trade talks. 463 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: They're making a concession on intellectual property. Now I'm talking 464 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: Dad at Jason's neck of the woods, and you've got 465 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: them kind of backing off Jason on the issue of 466 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: intellectual property, which seemingly would be a suggestion that maybe 467 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: Beijing is trying to get to some type of Phase 468 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: one US China trade deal ahead of the December fifteenth 469 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: dead line. And so I think that the markets had 470 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: priced in and either or scenario getting U s m 471 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: c A done by the end of the year, or 472 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: or getting Phase one China deal. And now you've got 473 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: this this karative intellectual property, which is the one area 474 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: where I think even the squad would agree with President 475 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: Trump is that something has to be done Jason on 476 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: the issue of intellectual property. Yeah, I agree. And is 477 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: this a step towards getting Phase one of that agreement? 478 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: I think we'll just have to see um, but I do. 479 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, And I think you're also right 480 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: that the markets have that have that factored in when 481 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: you look in terms of the US China trade deal 482 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: deal Tyler Uh and you and you you juxtapose it 483 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: with the uncertainty now surrounding U. S m c A. 484 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: Does that put more pressure on the president to get 485 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: Phase one done? With President She? Yeah, I think it 486 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: absolutely does, because it's something that he's in more control of, 487 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: and so the president of China, because I don't think 488 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it looks like the president has control 489 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: of Well that's his own fault though, I mean, and 490 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: and look, Bob light Heiser, I think is the one 491 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: who's managing right now the conversations with China on our end. 492 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: But I would juxtapose him by saying, like these are 493 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: in two different domains, Like Lightheiser is trying to figure 494 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: out China policy, Like the U. S m c A 495 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: is ready for a vote, it's on speak desk. Why 496 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: is she not putting it up for a vote. I 497 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: don't I don't like that. I just don't get coming up. 498 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: What's on the panel's radar. We dive into the policy 499 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: and politics of the day with Tyler Jaton as well 500 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: as Jason Rosenbum and Uh. Thanksgiving Week, folks, we finally 501 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: made it. Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, 502 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 503 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Radio dot Com, I 504 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm Kevin Cirelli, cheap Washington correspondent 505 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. I'm sticking around Washington 506 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: for the Turkey holiday. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is 507 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surle on Bloomberg and one 508 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: All five point seven f M HD two. I'm Kevin 509 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: SURRELI chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. 510 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: Shout out to my colleague Wendy Benjaminson. It just texted 511 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: me a happy Thanksgiving and she is headed out for 512 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving holiday, so she'll be back on with us 513 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: UH next week. She of course, is our Bloomberg politics 514 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: editor and has become a good friend of mine. So 515 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: happy thanks to having Wendy. If you're listening, Tyler Deaton's here. 516 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: He is a Republican strategist and fundraiser. President of Allegiance Strategies. 517 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Jason Rosenbom, founder of Seward Square Strategies, former digital ads 518 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: director for the Hillary Clinton campaign. I have had to 519 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: ask you where the names Seward Square Strategies comes from, 520 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: because I've stumbled over it every time I've read it, 521 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: and I apologize. So where does that come from? It's 522 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: got two meetings, the former Segnatary of War and Governor 523 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: seward Um. Also, it's Capitol Hill, so it was the 524 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: location of our first office. Awesome, Okay, So that makes 525 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: you now? I know that I always and I always 526 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: say it correct to the original team arrivals. I was, 527 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: I was in Um, I was driving. I went back 528 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: home this weekend and I was in Malvern, Pennsylvania and 529 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: at the General War and Inn, which is one of 530 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: the oldest inns in Chester County. And it was William 531 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: Penn's grandson. Isn't that cool? I love like that. There's 532 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: a lot of history back home. I miss it. Uh Okay, 533 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: it's time now. Well, before we do what's on the 534 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: panel's radar, we gotta talk about this big story we 535 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to talk about because the Marian 536 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: Williamson was here. UM Defense Secretary Mark Esper said he 537 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: was quote unquote flabbergasted by Navy Secretary Richard Spencer's efforts 538 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: to make a private deal with the White House in 539 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: the case of a Navy seal accused of war crimes 540 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: in Iraq, of reading from the Bloomberg terminal. My colleagues 541 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: reporting Glen Carey and Ross Krasny. Espert told reporters Monday 542 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that he demanded Spencer's resignation over the weekend after learning 543 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: that the Navy secretary had approached White House officials seeking 544 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: an arrangement to left to let petty Officer Edward Gallagher 545 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: retire as a member of the elite force, as President 546 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: Trump had demanded if Trump stayed out of the case. 547 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: A lot of nuance here, but it just seems like 548 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: the latest uh, the latest uh political hurricane. Jason, as 549 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: we start Thanksgiving week, the story is confusing. Yes, I 550 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: would agree the story that Secretary Aspert came up with 551 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: there was a side deal happening. It contradicts his previous 552 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: confirmation that the secretary was willing to resign his position 553 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: over this issue, that he now was allegedly um working 554 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: on a deal to put put forward. So so it's 555 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: like the story just seems like a total contradiction. And 556 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: he also said that, um, you know that he was 557 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: okay with the resignation and that he would have his 558 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: letter over in thirty minutes. His resignation letter wasn't even 559 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: a resignation letter, it was an acknowledgement of termination. And 560 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: it looked clearly did not take the and President Trump 561 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: was asked about this, and and President Trump's told reporters 562 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: earlier today that quote, We've been thinking about that for 563 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: a long time. That just didn't happen. As as regarding 564 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: to your point, Jason, about the dismissal, he said, quote, 565 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: I have to protect my war fighters. Tyler, have you 566 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: been following this, Yeah, I have. And I gotta tell 567 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: you it seems like clearly we don't have all of 568 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: the facts. But I have one conclusion that I firmly 569 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: believe here, which is that the military should have been 570 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: left to handle this as a military discipline matter. And 571 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm i mean, we need the civilian oversight, but this 572 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: was clearly a matter of internal military discipline review. And 573 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: as soon as that got screwed up, um, I think 574 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: that the rest of these problems were just inevitable. All right, 575 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: So we've covered that, Jason, what's on your radar? There's 576 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: a story in the New York Times today by Kate 577 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: Mats about deep fake videos. Deep fake videos. I can't 578 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: wait to read this. You're telling me about it in 579 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: the break Go ahead, A deep faked it's a fancy 580 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: word for doctored videos. You you know, a doctored image 581 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: looks like on the internet. So think of the example 582 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: of that she's in the article, is to think of 583 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: a video with Elizabeth Warren getting into a fist fight 584 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: or President Trump getting into a fist fight of fake 585 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: video actually made some more believable, um. And to use 586 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: these for political gain and so videos like this. The 587 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: technologies existed before, but it's grown, it's become advanced. So 588 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: now the proliferation of these videos is of course increased, 589 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: and they're used by foreign adverse series. And you were 590 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: telling me about this one example in another in another 591 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: country's election. Yeah, in May in Gabon the doctored video 592 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: was released. UM and at the time the president of Gabon, 593 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: the incumbent, was traveling out of the country. Um, they 594 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: put out a video, a legitimate video proving he wasn't 595 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: even in the country at the time. This this is 596 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: obviously a doctored video. It created more confusion because then 597 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: their allegations that that video was a fake and that's 598 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: what's referred to as the liars dividend, and it goes 599 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: into all really any disinformation campaign that foreign adversary would 600 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: love be against. This is what we saw in the election, 601 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: and just that that's fascinating and it is because it 602 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: an ongo viral msn MSNBC reporting breaking news that Dom 603 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: again must testify before the House Intelligence Committee. A federal 604 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: judge has ruled. Uh. That's huge. White House Chief Council. Uh. 605 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: And now Bloomberg also confirming that the Trump X Council 606 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: Dom again ordered by judge to testify to Congress. So 607 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to rip out the script, as Tom 608 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: Keane says and Tyler quick thoughts on that Dom again, 609 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: we've got about a minute left. Wow, wowow, that is 610 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: bad for the president. Uh. Don McGann knows what's going 611 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: on in the White House, and the administration was hoping 612 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: to um exercise executive privilege behind this case and they 613 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: just lost it. I mean, I don't know that this 614 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: will be the end of the road, and it will 615 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: be appealed. But Don like to go off to the 616 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Yeah, I think it will, and I think 617 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: it has to go very quickly. But if Don is 618 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: compelled to testify, um And by the way, there's a 619 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: few others people like I'm thinking in Pastor Bolton, there 620 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: are other people who this has implications for. I can't 621 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: believe Ambassador Bolton is the adult in the room. Well well, 622 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, but but this whole notion I mean for 623 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: the White House, Tyler, I mean just Don mc McGan 624 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: Don McGann, White House X Council, his lawyer, I mean, 625 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: knows everything, knows where, all where, all of these whole 626 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: dynamics are. The fact that now he's going to have 627 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: to testify according to this federal judge, and as you mentioned, 628 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: it would I'm anticipating that the White House will seek 629 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: to appeal this to the Supreme Court of the United States, 630 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: which would be a Supreme Court ruling on the issue 631 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: of impeachment. Buckle up, folks, it's gonna get really dizzy again. 632 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: Breaking news tonight if you're just joining us UH. President 633 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: Trump's X Council Domagan ordered by judge to testify to 634 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: Congress they had previously exerted executive privilege. Thanks to Mary 635 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: and Williamson, Thanks to Jason Rosa Bomb, thanks to Tyler Deaton. 636 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington Correspondent FRO. Bloomberg Television, Bloomberg 637 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: Radio will have continuing coverage on that story. You're listening 638 00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg f