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Speaker 3: What's up, guys, We are back with a week seventeen

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Speaker 3: edition of Charge with Weekly as always powered by Microsoft Surface.

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Speaker 3: It is always joined by Matt Muddy Smith as the

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Speaker 3: Chargers head to Denver, closing the season with a pair

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Speaker 3: of divisual opponents. After a really great performance, I thought,

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Speaker 3: in terms of effort against the Buffalo Bills twenty four

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Speaker 3: to twenty two and Bunny, it felt like a different team.

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Speaker 3: I was really rooting for Gift to get his first win,

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Speaker 3: and they darniar almost did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Almost a lot to kind of get into from

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Speaker 2: what we saw, and I think we'll start at the

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Speaker 2: very end, you know, when you talk about almost, I

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Speaker 2: thought Kellen Moore drew up a heck of a play,

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Speaker 2: and you know, considering how recent the passing was of

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Speaker 2: Frank Whitchak, it would have been a heck of a

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Speaker 2: tribute to him to get the Music City miracle rehashed

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Speaker 2: against the Bills and have the Chargers do it, you know,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Kellen as well designed and as perfectly executed

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Speaker 2: back to Easton and then the lateral to Ericson just

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Speaker 2: couldn't quite get that first block to seal that line,

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Speaker 2: even though they had all the bodies over there, and

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Speaker 2: Zion just kind of climbed a little bit too far,

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Speaker 2: be a perfectly designed play. But I think I'll just

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Speaker 2: start there, Chris. I really enjoyed the game plan that

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Speaker 2: Kellen put together for this offense, and I really enjoyed

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Speaker 2: seeing Cameron Dicker kick five field goals for the first

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Speaker 2: time by a Charger kicker in at least ten years.

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Speaker 2: So it was that type of game. The defense played great.

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Speaker 2: You knew it was going to be tight. DJ kept saying,

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Speaker 2: it just take him to the deep end and let's

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Speaker 2: and get out of here with a win. And I

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Speaker 2: thought it was. You know, unfortunately, the fourth time they've

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Speaker 2: lost by three or fewer points. Those are tough to swallow.

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Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed the game. I did. I thought

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Speaker 2: they played inspired football.

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Speaker 3: And you just look at everything that they're working with. Though,

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Speaker 3: justin Herbert no keenan Allen, I thought that Gift said

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Speaker 3: He wanted to take the points at every chance he

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Speaker 3: We've seen a kicker come into the chargers as confident

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Speaker 3: and as automatic as he has been money And you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, let's just go back to

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Speaker 2: You're now down seven zero after the interception that Justin

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Speaker 2: you're down ten to nothing and you lose a ball

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Speaker 2: He's like, Josh Allen's probably the only quarterback in the

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Speaker 3: Charge fans were hopeing she cures scored, right, you get

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Speaker 2: So that's you know, it's unfortunate had had Shakir not

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Speaker 2: We get to see Easton, who had a heck of

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Speaker 2: this is something that we've seen repeatedly this season where

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Speaker 3: Chargers fans mines are everywhere at this point, right, They're

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Speaker 1: Do you actually want to just.

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Speaker 3: Just bury the Broncos this Sunday and maybe make it

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Speaker 1: We'll start offensively.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Easton's stick in the game that he had.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Gifts said it best after the game.

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Speaker 2: knock off the Chiefs, get those wins in the division,

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Speaker 2: officially eliminate the Broncos from playoff contention, you know, put

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Speaker 2: As you said, I don't think Derwin would push back

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Speaker 3: out of Denver yesterday, taping this on a Thursday. Sean

441
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Speaker 3: Payton putting Russell Wilson on the bench for the last

442
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Speaker 3: two games the season. Broncos are seven and eight after

443
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Speaker 3: listening to the Patriots pretty much put their playoff hopes

444
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Speaker 3: on life support, and it feels like Russell's the scapegoat.

445
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I know that this is a financial decision,

446
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 3: but based on some of Sean Payton's comments, it was

447
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 3: kind of funny to me that they put all this

448
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 3: on Russ when there's seven and eight and I could

449
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 3: go back through the season and see thirty five points

450
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Speaker 3: the Commander scored on thirty one points at the Jets

451
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: score autumn, seventy points at the Dolphins scored on them

452
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: forty two points at the Lions scored on them and Russell.

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Speaker 3: If you put russell numbers up next to Justin's, they're

454
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 3: about to say, actually, Russell hast six more touchdowns. And

455
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 3: I know there are different players and everything, but I

456
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Speaker 3: just think that it's a little bit of a scapegoat situation.

457
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: And I don't think Sean Bayden wanted because Russell Wilson

458
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 3: to begin with.

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Speaker 2: No. To me, it's it's identical to what happened with

460
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: Derek Carr last year. I think it's exactly. You know,

461
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna try to make it work. He's not my guy.

462
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 2: If it were up to me, he would not be here,

463
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: but he is, and he's making a lot of money.

464
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: So let's see if we can, you know, and he's

465
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: got a pretty good resume. Let's see if we can

466
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 2: make it work. And ultimately, when you get to the

467
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: point when you're eliminated from the playoffs and you can't

468
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: take the risk of that player getting hurt because then

469
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: their contract's going to vest the following season, you just

470
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: move on. And so you know, I look, I would

471
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: love to really put them, you know, my foot on

472
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: the pedal and say, asked, this is Sean Payton trying

473
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: to absolve himself of any responsibility from the mess that

474
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: this year happened to be. And there is part of that.

475
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 2: I think we've seen enough from Peyton to recognize that,

476
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: and then that's sort of his mo a little bit.

477
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 2: But to me, it was a Okay, we'll try to

478
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: make it work. I'm not crazy about it. That's why

479
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: I want you to sign this guy for six million

480
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: bucks as a backup to a quarterback that's making thirty

481
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: seven million dollars. So we saw this riding on the

482
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Speaker 2: wall that that Peyton was not sold on him. It'll

483
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: be interesting. Jared had a couple of good, good starts

484
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 2: last year for the Raiders when he did it's funny, right,

485
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: So it's like the same thing for Stidham. Like you

486
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: did this with Carr last year, and now you're going

487
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 2: to do it to Wilson this year. And the guy

488
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: threw for over three hundred yards per game. He can

489
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: sling it around. But I'll tell you as far as

490
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: what I'd like to see, yeah, I'm fine for the

491
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: Chargers seeing Stidham instead of Russ. Russ extends plays very

492
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: similar to what you know, the headaches that that those

493
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: mobile quarterbacks give you they played pretty well against him.

494
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: You know, they had that great pick, Mikey had that

495
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: great pick in the first you know, on the first

496
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: attempt of the game that they weren't able to cash

497
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: in for any points. But it's it's still a very

498
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: good defense. They've moved on from from Kareem Jackson, obviously,

499
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: but you still got Justin Simmons out there. You still

500
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: have Zach Allen, who's a nightmare. And this will be

501
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: interesting because when we talked about what a mess it

502
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: was after that game, the Chargers offensive line just couldn't

503
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,199
Speaker 2: pick up a blitz like they have no idea and

504
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: they were standard blitzes. We were talking to Tony Biselli

505
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,239
Speaker 2: about it, because he came for the next game. He's like,

506
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: it's the damnedest thing I've ever seen. It's just a

507
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: standard slot corner blitz, nickel blitz, safety blitz, delayed blitz

508
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: like there was nothing exotic about what they were doing.

509
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: And this front had no idea where to go, where

510
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: to shift protections. And I think he saw a little

511
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: bit of it last week. And so so going back

512
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: two weeks, right against the Raiders, what do we talk

513
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: about with Easton great second half, some great things in there,

514
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: but you can have a pick six and cough the

515
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: ball up twice. And he eliminated all the turnovers, but

516
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: he still took the sacks. So you want to see

517
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: him now eliminate the sacks. Let's okay, you've cleaned up

518
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: the turnovers. Now let's clean up the sacks. And I

519
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: think on top of that, Easton will go back and

520
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: watch that film against Buffalo and realize all those RPOs

521
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 2: that Easton that Kellen was given him. Man, he needed

522
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: to keep two or three of them, and those things

523
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 2: were going for big games if he doesn't hand that

524
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: ball off and he keeps it and takes it instead.

525
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: So I to me, that's that's the next step for

526
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Speaker 2: Easton in this game. Now in his third start. Okay,

527
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: I've cleaned that up. I know I have to take

528
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: care of the ball. Step two, let's eliminate the sacks

529
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: and let's use my legs a little bit more. Let's

530
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: let's get out there because it's gonna work. And Kellen's

531
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 2: dialing up some really good calls on these RPOs and

532
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: he's just got to make better decisions on a handful

533
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: of those. So I know we started that by talking

534
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: about Russell will and Jared Stidham, but whatever, just kind

535
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: of no, it's what it is.

536
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Speaker 3: And it's been a it hasn't been a kind place

537
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: to the Chargers Denver in terms of going in there

538
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: and trying to get wins. Real quick on Russ before

539
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 3: you move on. Do you think that had they been

540
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: the Patriots and gone eight and seven, did rust would

541
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Speaker 3: be the story today?

542
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Right? I do, because there's still there was still realistically

543
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: alive for the playoffs. You know, you've got a Chargers

544
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: team down half their roster and now you're nine and

545
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 2: seven and ten and seven very well could get you in.

546
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: So to me, yes, I think he's still the starter.

547
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: It's a seasons lost. He's not going to be back

548
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: here next year. We cannot afford to get him injured,

549
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: and I can give him that extra money the bunny.

550
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Speaker 3: The only reason I keep bringing this up is I

551
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: find this is very interesting as far as it relates

552
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 3: to the Chargers moving forward and whoever the head coach

553
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: is going to be. Because the broadcast have said that

554
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson isn't going to be at a Center next

555
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 3: year for US. He's not going to play quarterback for us, right,

556
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: is that is that's pretty much what we got from that.

557
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.

558
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like it was a He's

559
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: not He's not a Sean Payton type of quarterback. Sean

560
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: Payton is Drew Brees, Joe Lombardi, we know it. I

561
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: think Joe to some degree wreck justin Herbert those couple

562
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: of years and try to make him into Drew Brees.

563
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 2: He's not, Like, that's it's not what we got here.

564
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: We've got the most talented, physically talented quarterback in the league.

565
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: Use it, you know, And that's just that's what those

566
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: guys believe in. Snap the ball, take the ball, get

567
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: rid of the ball, and let everybody else do the work.

568
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: And that's what they want to do. And that's just

569
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: not Russell Wilson's forte. That's not what he's best at.

570
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: So this is what the division is though, right, it's

571
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: it's Andy Rita Sean Payton. Right, so we know, like

572
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame pay coaches or Andy Reid surefire Hall

573
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: of Fame hit coach Patrick Mahomes without receivers, it look

574
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: a little bit different this year. Uh, the Raiders ain't

575
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: O'Connell not sure, he's the answer. Didn't even attempt to

576
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: pass after the first quarter of the game against the Chiefs.

577
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: And then now Denver, is it Sibtle, Is it a rookie?

578
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: Is it somebody you bring in via free agency? All

579
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: I know is that Herbert and Mahomes still as far

580
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: as the quarterback position is concerned, the class of the division,

581
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 3: and when you bring in a let's say, you bring

582
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: in an established head coach to coach this Chargers team,

583
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: I just I feel like that there's more questions about

584
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: the Broncos. When we thought that they were kind of

585
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: turning the corner with Russ and they were gonna go

586
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: on a little run, maybe make the playoffs, it looks

587
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: a little bit different now, especially with the capital of

588
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: implications than Russ has going befoward.

589
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: Well, the one thing that the Broncos have that perhaps

590
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: the Chargers doonus. They've got pretty good depth, right, so

591
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: they've specifically on defense, they've got a really good secondary.

592
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: Love their linebackers, you know, Browning Singleton like, they've got

593
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: good they you know, their offensive line is kind of

594
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: finely sort of figured it out, you know, which was

595
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: a big struggle for a while. They've managed to put

596
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: that together a little bit now. So I feel like

597
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: they just with the coaching. Look Champaigne. As much as

598
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: maybe people don't like him, he's a good coach. He's

599
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: a really good coach, and I figure they'll they just

600
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: need to find their guy. Like, as crazy as it sounds,

601
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen a bit of a decline from

602
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 2: from Russell. You know, he doesn't quite have the explosiveness,

603
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: doesn't have the quicks that he used to do. So

604
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: those those runs, those extending the plays, they're not quite

605
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: what they used to be. So I think they'll which

606
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: what direction do they go? I don't know, you know,

607
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. It doesn't doesn't seem like a rookie,

608
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, is is going to be in range from

609
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: where they're they're picking. But tough to say. You know,

610
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: maybe they signed Easton Stick who knows it's you know

611
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, I don't quite know, but clearly

612
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: it's not Russ And they think enough of Jared's Didham

613
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: to give him that amount of money. I think it

614
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: was six million bucks if I remember right, I think money.

615
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: I think he had like ten million for two years.

616
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a lot to back up a guy

617
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: that's making forty million bucks. So maybe it is gonna

618
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: be Stidham and they're just doing this two game audition. Now, look,

619
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: the Raiders tried to do that and ultimately decided, no,

620
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna move on to Garoppolo. I don't

621
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: know what their cap situation is, but there are gonna

622
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: be some interesting quarterbacks out there this upcoming season. Kirk

623
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Cousins is gonna be a free agent, great decision maker,

624
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: very good at getting the ball out. That's a real possibility.

625
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: But again, when you're gonna be carrying thirty eight million,

626
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: I think it's thirty eight million next year of a

627
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: cap number for for US, it's probably more likely than not.

628
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: Jared Stidham and a rookie is what I would guess. Yeah,

629
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: you're not gonna trade. You're not trading that contract.

630
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: No, there's no chance. Kirk Couzins would be perfect. And

631
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: then for Battle think they can afford it, and uh,

632
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm so like the rookies, like bo

633
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: Nix is the only like experienced like rookie. I think

634
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: this will work with Pedix to Yeah, pedis a little

635
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: ajury prone.

636
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: But he's been awesome this year. Yeah, I don't know.

637
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: I just find the division fascinating now with all the

638
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: decisions that never has to make, and what are the

639
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: Raikers going to do? Like they crushed the Chargers, They

640
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: went into Arrowhead and beat the Chiefs and their defense

641
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: was just bawling out like you have to make pierce

642
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: to the head coach now, No.

643
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Please, yeah, please, that's my answer to that. Please do

644
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: it please. That's Look, they're playing great, they're playing inspired football.

645
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: Clearly they like playing for him. I don't think there's

646
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: any I'm not taking anything away from him, but he

647
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: puts sixty three up on, you know, on the Chargers,

648
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: their rival on National TV knocks off the Chiefs at Arrowhead.

649
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: Those are impressive. That is impressive to put on your resume.

650
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything away from that, so I wouldn't.

651
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: And look, if you're Mark Davis, you gave John Gruden

652
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars. Ultimately, I don't know what they

653
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: had to give him to get it right, so he

654
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: didn't sue him after being fired the way he was,

655
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it was a pretty big number to settle.

656
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: They got thirty million bucks going to Josh McDaniels because

657
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: they signed him to a five year I think it

658
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: was five years fifty if I remember right May it

659
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: was four years forty. Whatever it was, it was a

660
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: lot of money, a lot of money. So maybe you

661
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: give Antonio three years, you know, at four per something

662
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: like that, and that way you're you're saving a little

663
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: bit of money. You're only paying fourteen million bucks for

664
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: your head coach instead of twenty five because you're chasing

665
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, Jim harbaught fifteen mil, or you know Bill

666
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Belichick at twenty mil. Like that's I don't know what

667
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: their financial situation is, but I would assume sooner or

668
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: later that's a pretty big tab. I mean, heck, you

669
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: got the rumor out there that Ben Johnson wants fifteen

670
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: million bucks to be a first time head coach. There's

671
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: no way. I mean, I appreciate the agent trying to

672
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: plant that seed, but come on, man, let's let's be

673
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: real here. So I wouldn't be surprised.

674
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: It's actually going to be a calculated risk by the

675
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: Raiders to just like you said, like four years per.

676
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: If the wheels come off next year, you could part

677
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: ways pretty easily, and they go after another big fish, right.

678
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm all for it.

679
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: As far as this, as far as this head coaching

680
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: position is concerned. I think our buddy Joe Ready tried

681
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: to ask Jim Harball about the Chargers open. I didn't

682
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: yes you that he was a disney World in our

683
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: Disneyland and they asked. I think Joe just went in

684
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: there and you know, shouted out the fact that the

685
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: Chargers are looking for a coach and his reaction and

686
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: Jim hit him with the one track mind, one day

687
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: at a time, Attack today, Attack today. Somebody asked him

688
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: about the other head coach. We're going to one track

689
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: mind attack today. So we got to give Joe Ready

690
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: a shout out for any swing in the back.

691
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, love you Joe and your cats. Way

692
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: to go love. Yeah. Look, we've said it now three

693
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: ever since Brandon was let go to me. I just

694
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what the people want and I have,

695
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: and I'm with him. He'd there are plenty of good coaches.

696
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: We've we've talked about all the names that I think

697
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: makes sense. You know, Dan Quinn has been a head

698
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: coach before, is a great guy, has worked with Kellen

699
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: and I think It's an opportunity for Kellen to show

700
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: off a little bit here these next couple of weeks

701
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: with Easton and these play you know, no Keenan, no

702
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: Mike Williams, you know, no Justin Herbert. Can you put

703
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: up some points and get a couple of wins and

704
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: then you can kind of keep that synergy going moving forward.

705
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: So I think there's there's some some great positives there.

706
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: I just keep going back to the idea that the

707
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: moment Jim Harball walks in that door, he walks in

708
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: with an offensive background with I was a quarterback in

709
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: the League one playoff games. I'm in the Ring of

710
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: Honor in Indianapolis, you know, And I'm a winner. I'm

711
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm not just a winner at Stanford. I'm not just

712
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: a winner at San Diego. I'm not just a winner

713
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: at Michigan. I was a winner with the forty nine ers.

714
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: We were two minutes away from winning a Super Bowl.

715
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: Turned around a team that was in it was the dregs.

716
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a disaster of a team when

717
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: he took it over. And I can't forty four and

718
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: fourteen or something like that was his record, Like it's read.

719
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: He was incredible.

720
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: So I just feel like there's something to that presence

721
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: to we're gonna change things. You guys lost more one

722
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: score games than any team over the last five years.

723
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: Y'all lost more games by three or fewer points. They

724
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: got a shot at doing that the most in history.

725
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: It's the ninety three Oilers that were zero and seven

726
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: in games they lost by three points or less. Right

727
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: now the Chargers. I got six of them. So we're changing.

728
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm a winner. You guys may not be winners, but

729
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: I am. And you're going to join me in being

730
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: winners moving forward. So I just think there's something there's

731
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: something to that. If it's anybody else, if it's Ben

732
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: Johnson or Mike McDonald, great, you know. I mean, I'm

733
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: sure they come in with great press. That's the thing.

734
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: It's like, people, we don't know. We don't know what

735
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: these meetings are like, or how they go, or what

736
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: the presentation is, what the vision is. But I just

737
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: for me, I feel like I know what Jim Harboy is.

738
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: Freaking guy's a psycho. He is a psycho who's super

739
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: competitive and all he wants to do is win football games.

740
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: That is why he believes he was put on earth

741
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: to go win football games. And there's something about guys

742
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: like that that I just appreciate.

743
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: And he gets interview him every week.

744
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, I don't know if he'd

745
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: be okay with Maybe that'll change. I mean. The funny

746
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: thing is like when he first got the job at

747
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: San Diego, we used to put him on We would

748
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: put him on the Petro some money show, and then

749
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: that carried over when he got the Stanford job. He

750
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: came out all the time because he would use us

751
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: to recruit southern California. I would assume that was his idea, Well,

752
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: hey here's the number one show.

753
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: And so other that fuck you every week.

754
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes he'd be great. Other times he'd be like not

755
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: enjoying this. I don't like you guys very much. But

756
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, And also I got to call a ton

757
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: of Stanford games with with Curtis Conway, who was his teammate,

758
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, and and we would go down on the

759
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: field and some games he'd be in a great mood

760
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: and other games he wouldn't be. And it just kind

761
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: of dependent what Jim Harball you got. But there's no

762
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: denying it's it's not about not about how how comfortable

763
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: we're going to be. It's about winning games and given

764
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert and this team the best voice moving forward.

765
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: And I think anybody you talked to that's in his

766
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: inner circle, they all say the same thing that not

767
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: winning that Super Bowl tore him apart, and and he

768
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: is fueled. He is determined to get back to the

769
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 2: NFL at some point, get back to the Super Bowl

770
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: and win it. So let's let's have it be with

771
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: the Powder Blues.

772
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: I think the best case scenario for those who want

773
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: Jim Harball in the NFL, specifically in Los Angeles, is

774
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: they go out and they beat Alabama and the Rose

775
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 3: Bowl and they win a national championship, and he can

776
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: leave Michigan knowing that he accomplished the mission, and really

777
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: he kind of has already right going to back, he

778
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: totally has, but just to have the complete icing on

779
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: the cake and cherry on top winning a national championships,

780
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: then I feel like he would be like, you know what,

781
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: I did what I said I was gonna do. Now

782
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: I got to go back to the NFL and win

783
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, and who knows it could be with

784
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 3: the Charters.

785
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: We talked about all the big fish, Money, Belichick, Harrball, Tomlin,

786
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: who I think would be It'd be ridiculous. I he

787
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: went anywhere. I think he's gonna stay in Pittsburgh.

788
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time coordinators or the coordinators who used

789
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: to be head coaches. That list I think is rather short.

790
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned Dan Quinn, a guy who has

791
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: been to a Super Bowl and has done a heck

792
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: of a job in Dallas. Ben Johnson who I mean,

793
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: he lights up the score board every week. But I

794
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: think I even said last week, you know, we're not

795
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: in the interview.

796
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: I don't know.

797
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's learned from Dan Cable, and

798
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: Dan Cable's learned from San Payton, and I'm sure that

799
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: he has a CEO type mentality in there somewhere, But

800
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. Mike McDonald, the defensive coordator, would you

801
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: bring in another defensive mind?

802
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: I think that's very Brandon Staley esque, right, guy that

803
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: coordinates the number one defense, first year doing it? What

804
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: do we make of that? What's the takeaway that you know?

805
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: What I mean? I think that to me is a

806
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: lot of times the pendulum's got a swing, and that's

807
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: too similar when you go through it. You've got Frank Reich,

808
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: who has let go by the Panthers and reportedly they

809
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: were interested in bringing him in as the OC No

810
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: One in Arizona, Washington. Eric the enemy, but there's a

811
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: reason why he's interviewed for seemingly every head coaching job

812
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: and keeps, you know, not getting them.

813
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: What do you think about enemy? It's you know, how

814
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: is played really good ball? Then he just hit a

815
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: complete wall and the team's a mess. But Kansas City

816
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: is also a mess offensive lead. Yeah right, I don't know.

817
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: I you mentioned he's interviewed a tother times. I guess

818
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: it hasn't.

819
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: Goldwell, No, and I'm going Bears. They may get rid

820
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: of Everflus. I don't know if you can bring him

821
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: in considering his record Saints, no Packers, no Falcons. If

822
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: they let go of Arthur Smith, you'd probably bring him

823
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: in for an interview. I know they were interested in

824
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: him when they hired Brandon Staley, No Vikings, Seahawks Rams

825
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris be interesting. You know, was so young when

826
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: he got that opportunity he was with and that those players,

827
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: My gosh, you look at the defensive talent on that team.

828
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: It is all kids and they're playing their tail off,

829
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. You mentioned dan Quinn Tampa and no.

830
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's the hot name out of Detroit, Philly, Nobody,

831
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: San Francisco. You know, they've been kind of just picked clean. Patriots.

832
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: We already talked about Belichick Tennessee. You've talked about if

833
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: they move on from Vrabel, but I just don't quite

834
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: see that happening. Bengles, Steelers, Tomlin. We talked about Colts, Bills, Browns.

835
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz. That's an interesting one you think about. You've

836
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: got no quarterback on that team. The quarterback position has

837
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: been an absolute disaster, and you got ten wins and

838
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: you're kicking ass on defense. So that's that's an interesting one.

839
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: Interesting you mentioned that name, because all I can think

840
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: about is the Jim Harball Jim Schwartz handshake.

841
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one of the games.

842
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly when he took the Lies to the playoffs.

843
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the year after they were over.

844
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: Genius too. I think he went to Georgetown.

845
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: And he's a very bright guy.

846
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very He would be an interesting name.

847
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: He's had success as a coordinator everywhere he's going.

848
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. Chiefs, Nobody, Dolphins. I

849
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: mean there's that Frank Smith thing, but I can't see that,

850
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: you know, not not somebody that was on Brandon's staff there,

851
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 2: so that would be weird. So yeah, I think that's

852
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot and there's I'm sure some

853
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: names that we're not thinking of. I mean, selfishly, the

854
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: only one that I would everybody talks about Ryan Day

855
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: that he definitely has an NFL presence to him, more

856
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: of a CEO, you know, stickler to details, details, details,

857
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: details kind of guy. So that would be one. And

858
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: rumor is he's interested in making the jump. I think

859
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: that's more important than just like one of the scheme guys. Selfishly,

860
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: for me, one of my absolute favorite people in the

861
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: profession is Chris Peterson. I think that guy would be

862
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: successful anywhere he goes. He is such an inspiring figure.

863
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: The way he speaks to people, the motivational just there's

864
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: something about him. He just anytime you're in his presence,

865
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: you just feel there's like a lift. He just won't

866
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: do it. I think he's so content and his post

867
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: coaching life. But you're talking about a guy that won

868
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: at Davis, that made Boise State and national power and

869
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: knocked off Oklahoma in a BCS game, took Washington to

870
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: the playoff. Like that. That guy's a coach. He can

871
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: freaking coach. So and there's the connection with Kellen obviously.

872
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: You know, the two made incredible magic at Boise together,

873
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 2: so that would be it. I don't think there's anyone

874
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: else from the coaching ranks. You know, there's the Brian Kelly,

875
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: but no, thank you, I'll take a pass on that.

876
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh I can think about Brian Kelly's my family.

877
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: Oh here we go. Now, you know he'll show up

878
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: here at our press conference and be like, what's up?

879
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Super stoked b here guys. Yeah, no, no, thank you.

880
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: I'll take a pass on Brian Kelly. I mean, look what,

881
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: You've already got it out there. The guy's just never

882
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like I don't remember who put

883
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: it out there. If it was felt, I think he

884
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: might have been Bruce that put it out there that

885
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 2: if Jim were to leave Michigan, did Brian Kelly be interested.

886
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: It's like, dude already just jumping jobs.

887
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: So I think that I wish I could think of

888
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess if I go to n Cuba

889
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: and go do rankings. Let's see if there's anybody that

890
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: we're forgetting skin. I mean, look old Dabbo Rooms.

891
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: I don't think that that he's an NFL guy.

892
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: No Sark, No Saban, not gonna do it. Norvel is

893
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, Kirby. I think those guys are you know,

894
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: they're they're great coaches, but I think recruiting is such

895
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: a big part of their success. Dan Lanning is interesting.

896
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he's certainly got those guys fired up, you know,

897
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: and is pretty incredible what he's been able to do

898
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: at Oregon. But those are all just such big risks,

899
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: you know that that's and then like when you talk

900
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: about the Lincoln Riley's you know sort of thing. Those

901
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: are just sort of scheme guys, and I think you

902
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: fall into a little bit of a danger zone with

903
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: guys like that as opposed to leaders more of the

904
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that guy's a head coach. And that's sort

905
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: of the sense you get with Jim Harbaugh, with Kalin

906
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: de boor with Nick Saban, with Mike Norvel, Like these

907
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: guys are head coaches, they're Ryan Day. You know, they're

908
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 2: not play card. You know what's the next great play

909
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: I can call. They're they're leaders. So there's a lot

910
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: of interesting names.

911
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: Midway through the USC, I think Lincoln who there? You

912
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: thought there were some rulers, but I don't want to go

913
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: to the NFL. Those quickly went.

914
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: Away, you know, So yeah, no doubt. I mean, and

915
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: he's making a ton of cash. And yeah, I mean

916
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: he's making a ridiculous amount of money. Now look he's

917
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 2: losing Caleb Williams. It was fun to watch Miller Moss

918
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: last night, you know, put together a heck of a

919
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: game insteat a USC record. I love seeing those stories.

920
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: It's wonderful even if he never plays, you know, another

921
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: game for see because they bring someone in through the

922
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: transfer portal. But you know, it's it goes to show

923
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: you Lincoln can coach offense. Man, he can freaking coach offense.

924
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: So there's I get it, you know, I totally get it.

925
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: But you know, to me, I think for the Chargers,

926
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: I do think there's something to having that winning mentality

927
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: walk through the door. Yeah, set a tone change. I'm

928
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: not necessarily saying change of culture, but just I think

929
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: set a tone is the best way to put it.

930
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: I think establish a culture of wedding, you know, with

931
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: with with somebody who's done it before. And yeah, money

932
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: last thing, because I think that there's been some chatter

933
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: among fans too, like, well, shoot, next year, look at

934
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: the cap, it's for forty million over. We're gonna take

935
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: a step back anyway. You know what what could next

936
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 3: year look like? I think A, with with A plus coaching,

937
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: they're gonna be all right.

938
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: And and B.

939
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: Like what do you think they need to do to

940
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: make sure that they.

941
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Can make the playoffs next year?

942
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned the top ten draft pick, that's a

943
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: chip that can be turned into a lot of different positions,

944
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: and they need some positions. Do you bring Mike or Keenan,

945
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: Joey or Khalil? Like there's a lot of big decisions

946
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: that need to be made. And again these last two

947
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 3: weeks we talked about the development of some of these guys.

948
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a heavily out there.

949
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: There's some of the guys that we need to see

950
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: across the defensive light especially, but I.

951
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: Don't think that they're too far away. I think that

952
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: the you know, the cap, some people say the cap

953
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: is a myth and you can you can get around it.

954
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: And you can.

955
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: You can, you know, manipulate it, and to some degree

956
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: you can. I know, justin ververper is gonna make a

957
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: ton of money here over the next several years.

958
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: But you can still field. I think a contending team.

959
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: Well, they have one of two paths they can take,

960
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: and the one path is the Saints. And you kick

961
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: the can down the road another year and you move

962
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: some money around and you keep all the old guys

963
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: and you just you're like, well, because you're gonna have

964
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: to take your medicine, sooner or later, it's gonna happen.

965
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: You can't. Yes, the cap keeps going up and think,

966
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: but it's just eventually you're gonna have to reset and

967
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 2: you're going to have to move or cut and your

968
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: take your poison pills, you know, in terms of cap

969
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: hits with dead cap money. You know, the Rams had

970
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: to do it and they were able to compete. You know,

971
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: the Rams did it this year, and they they in

972
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: two years ago and they had to restock their roster

973
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: with all that young talent, and last year they played

974
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: like crap and this year they're back, you know, and

975
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: next year they're going to be even better. And so

976
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: I I think Justin's twenty five. Like to me, it

977
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: almost makes a little bit more sense just to take

978
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: your medicine now take it right away, rip the band

979
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: aid off and so. And by that what I mean

980
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: is I think you shop. You figure out which of

981
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: these big numbers can get a trade? Can I can

982
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: I get a mid round pick? Can I get a

983
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: three for one of these blue chips? Because that then

984
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: lessens your financial impact, right, it takes it down a

985
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: little bit, so you don't have as big of a

986
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: hit against the cap as just letting the guy go

987
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: and eating all the dead money. If you can make

988
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: a trade, get some of that money back. They're already

989
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: doing it with J. C. Jackson. You know, they took

990
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: a took a huge hit on that because they had

991
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: to pay the majority of the salary just to get

992
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: him off the roster. But if you can find some

993
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: teams that are willing to trade for and restructure because

994
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: they feel like they're really close and maybe they're one

995
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: wide receiver away or one defensive lineman away, then to me,

996
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 2: that would be a yes. I think they say yes

997
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: in those situations. Can we get an asset, can we

998
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: get a mid round pick? Can we get a day

999
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: two pick you know, a two, three or four for

1000
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: one of these guys, and just restock the roster and

1001
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: get young and kind of reset our financial situation moving forward,

1002
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: because it's clear they have to. I mean, you know,

1003
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: that's just it's either that or all right, we're forty

1004
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: million over, let's restructure, convert this to signing bonus, add

1005
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: some voidable years, and we're coming back with the same guys,

1006
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: A plus coaching.

1007
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: We'll mask that too if you rip the band aid off. Yes,

1008
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: you know, Sean McVay is the perfect example of that, Like,

1009
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: like what what they're doing money is remarkable with all

1010
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: these young guys and in a in a an elite

1011
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: quarterback also messed that, like Stafford was hurt during that

1012
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: five and twelve year and it just the wheels came

1013
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: off a little bit. But had Stafford say healthy, they

1014
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: probably would have won eight or nine games last year.

1015
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: They had to reset their old line, you know, and

1016
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 2: I think but they did, and I think that's it's

1017
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: kind of what we're getting at, right. You know, you

1018
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: just got to reset. You're gonna have to reset some

1019
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: position groups that either got old or underperformed with some

1020
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: young talent. And hope you can coach them up and

1021
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: develop them. And that's what the Rams did, no doubt.

1022
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 3: Uh Denver on Sunday, anything else about that matchup? Did

1023
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: you want to dive into.

1024
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: Or let's get Eckler's eighty yards, Maybe try to get

1025
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: him one hundred so you know, all he needs is

1026
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: sixty against the Chiefs. Get him his money. Let's get

1027
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: east in a win, you know, let's continue to win.

1028
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: Let's get different with win miked up in the locker

1029
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: room postgame on I'm with you. I would love to

1030
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: see him get this one. I think it's attainable. They

1031
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: split with the Broncos every year, so let's get they

1032
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: beat them. You know, the Broncos beat the Chargers here.

1033
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: Let's let's get the split by knocking them off there,

1034
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: you know, get your sixth win, and see if you

1035
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: can close it out by ruining the Chiefs and pushing

1036
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: them down to the four seat. That's what I'd love

1037
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: to see.

1038
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: Could you imagine if the Raiders win next week and

1039
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: the Chiefs lives to the Bagels and the Rangers have

1040
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 3: the ability to keep the Chiefs out of the playoffs,

1041
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: that would be great. Putting the Raiders in, But the

1042
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: fact that you can knock the chiefs out makes it weader.

1043
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: Maybe get Antonio Pierce a ten year contract, a lifetime contract, exactly,

1044
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: all right, guys, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Buddy, safe

1045
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: travels to Denver. Appreciate.

1046
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: This has been Chargers Weekly, presented by Microsoft, Sir