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Speaker 1: And one of those names is actually our first guest

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Speaker 1: of the day, a breaking news, last minute guest because

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Speaker 1: of the rash of injuries hitting our sport. It is

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Speaker 1: Will Carroll joining us right now. He's got an awesome newsletter,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about, and of course we'll cover the show.

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Speaker 1: Injury Territory will great to have you on. But first

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Speaker 1: let's start with hammett bones, because they are taking over

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Speaker 1: the day spring training begins. And usually it's pitchers that

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Speaker 1: now popped up for Francisco, Lindor Surgery, Corbyn Carol Surgery,

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Speaker 1: and Young Jackson Holiday of the Orioles. All of them

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Speaker 1: look like they'll miss the beginning of the season. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Lindor makes it back in time.

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Speaker 5: But what do you think, Yeah, this is a terrible

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Speaker 5: run of bad luck clusters. We often see these, and

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Speaker 5: is going on? Is it something? It just pitches inside

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Speaker 5: and guy's not wearing a path. The hammt bone is

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Speaker 5: for six weeks after why six weeks, no idea, but

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Speaker 5: He had both of them knocked out, and in both

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm gonna we're gonna have a little quick

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Speaker 2: not argument, but I'm gonna go against what you said. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I broke my handmate, ninety nine percent of the time,

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Speaker 2: and I have this car to prove it. You break

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Speaker 2: it on the knob of your bat swinging. It has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with getting hit by the pitch. What

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Speaker 2: if I grabbed his bat right and you put the knob,

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Speaker 2: that little, that little hook off and it hurts like hell.

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Speaker 2: Trust me, it hurts like hell. And you know what

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Speaker 2: And when you say six weeks, yes, six weeks is

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Speaker 2: But I saw David Ortiz try to play through this,

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Speaker 2: and he could. He lost a lot of his power.

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Speaker 2: But it's not because you the pain or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: You lose it because you lose strength in your hand

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Speaker 2: because your hand is basically immobilized for three to four weeks,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, six weeks is conservative. But I tell all

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Speaker 2: it's just it's a weird je no one's ever heard of.

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Speaker 5: It's a great point because I think this does contrast

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Speaker 5: Lindor that stress reaction. Like you were saying, there are

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Speaker 5: But now that we have the scanners that can go

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Speaker 5: not broken, but something's happening, it doesn't like this. You

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Speaker 5: change something he's doing, you know, the back handle itself.

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Speaker 5: There's the whole axe bat thing and grip changes and

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Speaker 5: where it goes. But again that there are ways this

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Speaker 4: Well it'll kill your show if we prevent all injuries.

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Speaker 4: But there's no such thing as preventing all injuries. Francesco

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Speaker 4: Lindor out of all these three, is a switch hitter?

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Speaker 4: Is there any chance that they search out the possibility

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's an interesting idea, but I don't

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Speaker 5: think most doctors would consider it because it's healthy in theory,

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Speaker 5: he's been healthy this whole time. You could do that

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Speaker 5: with any player, you know, we could go in there

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Speaker 5: and make sure they never happened. But usually doctors are very,

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Speaker 2: This though it's a great idea, yeah, but it would

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Speaker 2: still hurt. I mean, listen, even if you switch hit

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Speaker 2: okay in a pad, the pad on here does not

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Speaker 2: help from breaking inside. Like you can wear a pad

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Speaker 2: here all day long. Yeah, but you actually do this

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Speaker 2: swung and I was like, that's not right. Okay. So

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Speaker 2: but for Lindor switch hit or so he broke his

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Speaker 2: your bottom hand, So I would say, theoretically, did this

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Speaker 2: hitting right handed? Okay, so then to go and switch

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Speaker 2: left in and it's not the problem of the pain.

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Speaker 2: When I did mine, I could barely move my fingers.

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Speaker 2: My hand was literally stuck like this until they went in.

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Speaker 2: And it's some stuff because yes, so he like, technically,

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Speaker 2: still won't work. Plus he also catches left handed with

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Speaker 2: You know, he's not an outfielder or someone that doesn't

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Speaker 2: best thing. And then for like Corbyn Carroll and Jackson Holiday.

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Speaker 1: Hey, well, let's move to some other injuries. I'm actually

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Speaker 3: They're all colliding.

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Speaker 4: Is that why it's happening now, because they were like,

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Speaker 4: we're going to rehab the absolute crap out of it,

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Speaker 5: No great question, though, Eric. The answer is they rehab

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Speaker 5: That laborhm is just that it's that tiny piece of

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Speaker 5: And when Frank Jerones tried to put mine back together.

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Speaker 4: That's not a sentence that I really want to keep repeating.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to go to Bouden Francis. Bout in

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Speaker 2: Can we fix that?

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Speaker 4: Doesn't that feel like if that's a twenty five percent

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're exactly right. It was about forty percent. We

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Speaker 5: The NFL used to be that fifty percent of their

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Speaker 5: We've seen a reduction of this because we understand ramps now,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I said last year that I didn't think we'd

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Speaker 5: There are too many nerves in there, there are too

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Speaker 5: No, I think certainly there is a high altitude effect.

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Speaker 1: well a clever tweet this morning. It's again unfortunate when

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Speaker 1: you're talking injuries. But when we threw out there that

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Speaker 1: we were launching three new shows, someone replied to the

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Speaker 1: Injury Territory one and said, Oh, I didn't realize you

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Speaker 3: They went through it last year. I said, well played.

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Speaker 1: I mean it sucks, but well played, and they're already

462
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Speaker 1: going through it this year. So I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the three names that I think are

464
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Speaker 1: standing out for them too. Very recently, even this morning,

465
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Speaker 1: Walt Weiss, new Brave's manager, mentioned how the situation for

466
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Speaker 1: Jojanmenez is very complex. He's already on the sixty dail.

467
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Speaker 1: He used to be a valuable part of the bullpen.

468
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: Spencer Schwellenbach very valuable part of the rotation. Dave O'Brien,

469
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Speaker 1: who covered the team up until this year, was working

470
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Speaker 1: for the Athletic covering the team and said, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: there was a Bilo uptick for Schwellenbach. He was speculating

472
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Speaker 1: that's soon after that fractures. Z elbow now has this

473
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Speaker 1: issue that might lead to bones pur surgery. And then

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Speaker 1: lastly we can finish with Hassan Kim slipping on ice.

475
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like slipped on ice, but it's pretty

476
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Speaker 1: serious because he's going to miss serious time for them too.

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Speaker 1: So your thoughts on those three.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, with Kim, it's unfortunate. You know, these sorts of

479
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 5: things happened. These people, we forget they're human and things happen.

480
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Speaker 5: You know, we'll laugh about you things. Who was it

481
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 5: Clint Barmas that fell down the stairs with a deer

482
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: or something. There's always those those quirky injuries that we

483
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Speaker 5: can talk about and fill my column with laughter. But

484
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 5: you know, people do fall. People, what was Jonathan Lucroy

485
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 5: dropped a suitcase on his hand? Things like that. Slipping

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Speaker 5: on ice is just slipping on ice. It's unfortunate. Put

487
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Speaker 5: that ankle back together and hope that again he has

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Speaker 5: his skills with all that later emotion that he needs, which.

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Speaker 1: Well, back hold up real quick. Well, just because I

490
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Speaker 1: think I think the ankle was last year. I'm just

491
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Speaker 1: and I blitched you with this one, so sorry, but

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I have your surgery to repair

493
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Speaker 1: torn tendon right middle finger, right, I think.

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Speaker 5: That you.

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Speaker 3: Got a lot of injuries slow, and so I'm throwing it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Sorry, I was thinking about the ankle from

497
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Speaker 5: last year.

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Speaker 2: I forgot me.

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Speaker 5: It was the hand. My bad. But it's a tendant,

500
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 5: so again you got to worry about the grip. You

501
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 5: gotta be able to put that back together. And we

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Speaker 5: do see that. It's just unfortunate how it happened for schwampact.

503
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Speaker 5: With the bone and the bone spurs. This is a

504
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Speaker 5: difficult one to understand because bone spurs are really simple.

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Speaker 5: We've all played operation. If you've got a bone chip,

506
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Speaker 5: it's come off the bone. With a bone spur, it's

507
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Speaker 5: just a little piece of bone, kind of like a

508
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Speaker 5: blister that's come off. But what's it touching? Is it

509
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Speaker 5: touching the ucl is it touching the owner nerve, is

510
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: it touching one of the other things, and is it

511
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Speaker 5: hurting something. There was a whole debate in the orthopaedic

512
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Speaker 5: sur surgery community about whether you took bone spurs off

513
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Speaker 5: where they a reaction of the body that were telling

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Speaker 5: us something was going on with the UCL We still

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Speaker 5: don't know a really good answer to that. But if

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Speaker 5: the bone spurs out there poking a nerve, you've got

517
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Speaker 5: to take it out. But it's probably the body's signal

518
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 5: telling you something's going on. With Jimenez and a lot

519
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 5: of these players with the sixty day, these are nones.

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Speaker 5: Most of these roster moves, honestly, and you're getting a

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Speaker 5: guy off so you can bring somebody else onto the

522
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: forty man, get somebody, get another NRI on the roster.

523
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: These were knowns coming in that they weren't going to

524
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Speaker 5: be back until long time. Corp with Burns we know

525
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Speaker 5: isn't gonna be back until midway through the season. There's

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Speaker 5: a number of other guys on Tommy Johns who they're

527
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Speaker 5: gonna go to the sixty. So that's one of those

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Speaker 5: situations where I'm not sure it's quite as meaningful. It's

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Speaker 5: just one of those roster things.

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Speaker 1: Hey, before we get to Burns there, I see him

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Speaker 1: on the screen, just on de Menez, just to provide

532
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Speaker 1: context for that one and the reason I'm asking about it.

533
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Speaker 1: He's been out of baseball for a while now. So

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Speaker 1: after twenty twenty four left knee surgery, ended up missing

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Speaker 1: all of last year, and he said it happened to

536
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Speaker 1: this issue with his knee during the season in twenty four.

537
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Speaker 1: Didn't realize until after went for further evaluation in November.

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Speaker 1: Right then that spills into twenty twenty five misses the

539
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Speaker 1: whole year, shows up to camp. They calling this one

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Speaker 1: for the sixty dayil left articular cartilage injury. So I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing that's still related to the need. And that's when

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Speaker 1: wile White said it's very complex and it almost seemed

543
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Speaker 1: like he could miss the whole season again.

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Speaker 3: And that's where brays Frans, I don't know.

545
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Speaker 1: I think that's because they expected much, but they're like,

546
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Speaker 1: damn no, Joe Hamannz for two years.

547
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because that degeneration. You think about how much pressure

548
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: you're putting on your knees, either knee. The first knee

549
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 5: surgery was to clean it out try to get everything going,

550
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Speaker 5: but that articular cartilage, which is basically a covering over

551
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 5: the bone behind the knee cap. As they come together,

552
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 5: it rolls, and if that cartilage is torn or rough

553
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 5: or gone, you start getting bone on bone. That gets

554
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: really bad. If the meniscus is torn, if he's had

555
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: a previous issue with that, I don't know in this

556
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 5: specific case, but it used to be they just pull

557
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: that meniscus out and you'd move on with life. But

558
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 5: we realized that probably wasn't the best ideas that, you know,

559
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 5: they take out as little as possible, or they try

560
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: to stitch it back together, which has about a fifty

561
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 5: percent rate. We've seen that Mason Wynn coming back from

562
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: a very minor menace act. To me, a lot of

563
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 5: people were saying, you know, why is he coming back

564
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: in six months from this because there was an off season.

565
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 5: So with Hamenez, articular cartilage is tough, and honestly, the

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Speaker 5: long term answer is going to be knee replacement, and

567
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: we see that a lot. Lindsay Vaughn, who's obviously been

568
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: in the news a lot for Hernie, had a partial

569
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 5: knee replacement on one knee when she retired, and that

570
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 5: would be a very similar solution for someone with the

571
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: condition that Hamanas has.

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Speaker 4: Hi last one for me, Josh Hater, the lead closer

573
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Speaker 4: for the Astros, once he went out last year, they

574
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: kind of faltered at the end. Not all his fault

575
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: because he wasn't there, but you lose a big piece.

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Speaker 4: Now it's saying he is bicep Inflammation's that bicep ten

577
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: to nightis are we talking about actually in Scott Braun's

578
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: biceps or are we talking about like the connected part

579
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: closer to the shoulder.

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00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're likely. We haven't had confirmation. Been trying to

581
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Speaker 5: lock this down after initially seeing that he was having

582
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Speaker 5: this problem. A lot of people think bicep. They think,

583
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 5: you know, the big muscles like you and aj have,

584
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: But it's often in the shoulder. The bicep does attach

585
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: the two muscles of the bicapp hence the name, come

586
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 5: up into the shoulder. Same with the pector alis major.

587
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: We think of a pack being chessed, but it also

588
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 5: comes up and attaches in a very similar place. They

589
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: actually cross. So if you've got an inflammation up there,

590
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 5: is this an arm injury or is this a shoulder injury?

591
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 5: I would argue it's more a shoulder injury. He had

592
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: that left shoulder strain in the back, So is he offloading,

593
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 5: has he changed his mechanics. There's a lot of different

594
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: ways that this could happen, but the fact that this

595
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 5: is occurring at the point where he should be well

596
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 5: up in his ramp guys come into camp very easily.

597
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 5: We know he's been throwing since at least January, so

598
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 5: the fact that he's getting inflammation this early indicates those

599
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: forces still aren't balanced, that something is going on at

600
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: his shoulder can't handle and what's the underlying cause for that. Well,

601
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: they're gonna have a ton of data. They're gonna have

602
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 5: the bottom mechanical data in game and out of game.

603
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: The astros are going to have their hands on him.

604
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: They're gonna have however many scans he's had, which is

605
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: probably a lot, and that's a very good medical staff

606
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 5: down there, So it'll be interesting to watch how this

607
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 5: goes and how available he is and how much this early,

608
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: hopefully minor situation can be managed and get him back

609
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: on the field.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we covered a lot and yet there are still

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Speaker 1: a million other injury notes from the last forty eight

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Speaker 1: hours so I'm just gonna mention them, but really as

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Speaker 1: a teaser that if you want to ask Will about them,

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Speaker 1: message in a number of ways. You can watch injury Territory.

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Speaker 1: But just to name a few. Corbyn burns saying that

617
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: he expects to be background the All Star break. Rheese

618
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: Olsen out for the year shoulder surgery for him for

619
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Speaker 1: the Tigers, which helps to explain why they signed from

620
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Speaker 1: Rivaldez and and Justin Berlander over the past week.

621
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Speaker 5: He kept it secret till they.

622
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Speaker 1: Could exactly right. I mean there's a leverage game. The

623
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Speaker 1: results too, That's what I just said.

624
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Speaker 3: Resultson, Yeah, result Jackson job.

625
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Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh well.

626
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Jackson Job's out too, right, so job, I don't know

627
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: if he's coming back.

628
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Speaker 2: Everyone's like results and Resulson and he's like, by the way,

629
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Speaker 2: he's off for the hear Yeah, shoulder searcher.

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Speaker 1: They had that news. Plus they were fighting Schooble. They

631
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Speaker 1: wait till that our battle's done. Then they signed two

632
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: pitchers for pretty good cash. Good move, good recovery by

633
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: the Tigers. But Will last most important question for today

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Speaker 1: is to just give everyone a little lowdown of what

635
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: to expect with Injury Territory, because you know, we've had

636
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Speaker 1: many shows that are team oriented, Prospect Insider, et cetera.

637
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: I think this one's probably the most surprising to join

638
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: the network. But people are pretty excited to learn what

639
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: you're going to do on there in terms of talking

640
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: about injuries, which can help fantasy real life following your team,

641
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: and some of the guests you're expecting to have too.

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00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm really excited about this for precisely the

643
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: reasons we did today. We're going to be talking about

644
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: exactly this, the injuries that have happened, why they happen,

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Speaker 5: and hopefully give you some context. I'm gonna have a

646
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 5: lot of people from inside the game, athletic trainers, doctors,

647
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 5: sports scientists, people doing data behind the game. How are

648
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: they looking at it? What is AI going to do

649
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: to the inside of a training room. We'll have to

650
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 5: do a whole episode with aj about superstitions and there

651
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 5: I can tell you the whole stories about Sammy Sosa

652
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 5: not wanting to talk to me, or why he injured

653
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 5: his back sneezing when I was there. So it's one

654
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 5: of those things where there's so many different ways this

655
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: can go. And everybody knows that injuries can change a

656
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: season how many different times. And we said, if we

657
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: just had this guy, what would have happened if And

658
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: I'm going to explain the context behind the injuries, not

659
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 5: just list the injuries.

660
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 3: Though.

661
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: I'm always excited to come on here and hang out

662
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 5: with you.

663
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: Guys, will you and the man great segment here very

664
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: timely to open up the show, Krat said conspiracy theory

665
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: that this show has been planned to launch on this

666
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: day and then all these injuries pop up. We are

667
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: not doing that voodoo stuff. Well, thank you, appreciate you.

668
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: We'll be talking.

669
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: Thanks all, guys.

670
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: And there are the new shows for the Injury Territory

671
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: in the right Middleist Brewer Territory, Canable and Hogue on

672
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: that first episode, Polar Romero and Bannon on Bluebird Territory.

673
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about those as the day continues.

674
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Having in fast.

675
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: We're moving today.

676
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: Evan Phillips one year, six and a half million bucks,

677
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 1: kind of forgot that he was still on the market.

678
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: I don't know he's a free agent because he got hurt,

679
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: so we missed so much time.

680
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: Dude's good though, Yeah.

681
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: He was closing for them two years ago for part

682
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: of the year, so he's back. Dodgers really needed an arm, Yes,

683
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of joking.

684
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: They well they used them all, so they need all

685
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: the arms they can get. When you say they need

686
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: an arm, yes, they actually do because they've you know,

687
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: I guess crap Ground are all back. Copex still a

688
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: free agent.

689
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: True.

690
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: Kevin Phillips is nasty when he's right trying and they

691
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to get. Tanner Scott was

692
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: not very good last year when they have Edwin Diaz

693
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: and they you know our next guest, Justin Roubleski. He

694
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: helped him out huge. But they need all the Listen.

695
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: One thing about the Dodgers, they have DiPT because they

696
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: go on sign guys for debt.

697
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they DFA had Anthony Bonda, who is

698
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: probably gonna get traded to a team that can really

699
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: use him. They just dfa'd Ben Rurtvett, who was a

700
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: big part of the third catchers Yeah right right, but

701
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: ended up getting some PT because of the injuries. So

702
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: nice little pick up here. Phillips is thirty one and

703
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: he's not back right away. Just for the record, he's

704
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: still recovering from TJ. The expected to return is mid

705
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: season around July. Next up, yep, Jose Kintana, thirty seven

706
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: year old, fifteenth big league season, Colorado Rocky's coming in

707
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: hot in February. They were sleeping on us for most

708
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: of the offseason and here they come. I mean they

709
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 1: need to get some.

710
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is the signings the Rockies do.

711
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: But they need this.

712
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean, these are smart signings. They are because guess

713
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: what if Jose Kintana goes out and pitches, well, they

714
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: trade them. They trade them in June, in July, and

715
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: they get a prospect they can possibly help it out.

716
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: This is Paul de Podesta, the new head of baseball.

717
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: They're making smart moves. These are the guys you sign

718
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: because then you can hopefully turn them and it's not

719
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: going to cost them a ton of money. Then you

720
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 2: hopefully turn them into something that can help you down

721
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: the road. So great, I mean you, I'm sorry you

722
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: have to go pitch in Colorado, but I love you.

723
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: But these you're getting paid and you get to pitch again.

724
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: And nowadays they evaluate on what your stuff looks like.

725
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: So even if the era is high, I mean they're

726
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: well aware of what's going on there. Six million bucks

727
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: for Kintana, and you figure Colorado is going to pay

728
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: about half of that and then they're gonna flip them.

729
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: But ye know, last year had some injuries, but still

730
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: with Milwaukee, just shy up before Thera a little over

731
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty innings, I mean, still can eat innings.

732
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: And he's had an above average ERA plus for a

733
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 1: long time now, going back to twenty trying to find

734
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: the year where he wasn't at that mark.

735
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: I think it's twenty twenty one.

736
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the last time he wasn't above any

737
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: RA plus of one hundred eight innings.

738
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: Effectively, can't find a job because he doesn't throw ninety

739
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 4: five plus. He's going to go out and continue to

740
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: give to his team. There's this is a guy that's

741
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: very locked into each one of his starts. I think

742
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see how these last two signings.

743
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 4: I'm forgetting who the Rockies just signed Savali? Was it Savali?

744
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: No?

745
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: He signed with the A's anyway. Not getting strikeout guys,

746
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: thank you Higano. Not getting strikeout guys. How is that

747
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: going to play in Colorado now? I'm not worried about

748
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 4: the Homers. Not worry about the Homers. I'm worried about

749
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 4: balls in play. Just a lot of area to cover,

750
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 4: So we'll be interesting. I'll be interested to see because

751
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 4: he had below a four ERA, you'd think a guy

752
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: like that would be a nice little pickup for somebody's

753
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: fourth or fifth rotation spot. But I guess it wasn't

754
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: meant to be until Colorado came a knocking.

755
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going with signings. There's two more

756
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: to get to that broke today. Jordan Montgomery has agreed

757
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: to a one point two million dollar deal with the Rangers.

758
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: There's also one point seventy five million potential bonuses. He

759
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: is still working his way back from Tommy John surgery.

760
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: Target is around the All Star break, reunited.

761
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: And it feels so good. Last summer they got Jordan

762
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Montgomery back around the All Star breakday won the World Series.

763
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: So are we doing the over under today? I vet

764
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: MGM for the Rangers, so we can. I'm take the

765
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: over now that monkey's back. I can't believe they're running

766
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: it back. I can't believe it. It's unbelievable running it back.

767
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: What idiots they are.

768
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: You sound like a fan of another team that's not

769
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: happy you when the same players returned to the team.

770
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: Now Jordan Montgomery has been away from this team. Now

771
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: he's returning to this team. Maybe it brings the mojo back,

772
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: because ever since Jordan Montgomery left, they.

773
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: Haven't been as good.

774
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

775
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I actually think he's going to return and pitch well

776
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: for them, you know, like something.

777
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: He's got to get back. Well. It's funny, as I

778
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: forgot last year he was with the Brewers. Do you

779
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: guys remember he was he was with the Brewer. He

780
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: was with the Brewers, right. So I go in to

781
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: do Milwaukee do a Brewer game, and I'm like, wait,

782
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: he hadn't been to Milwaukee. He was there for some

783
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: community service award, even though he wasn't really on the team.

784
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: He was on the il when he got traded. But

785
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: I walked in and he walks in, and I was

786
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: talking to Vasalo and the and some of their reporters

787
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, monkey, and they're like, we've

788
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: never met him, Like, oh, he's out on the tunnel

789
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: with his wife and they're like, oh, So he walked

790
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: in the clubhouse nobody had ever met him because he

791
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: never was there.

792
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: Did anybody interview him?

793
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone. I think somebody probably did it.

794
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: It was one of those like strange things, things that

795
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: you never thought you because you think, like, oh, you

796
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: forgot that he got traded to the Brewers, and then

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: you forget that he was technically on their team even

798
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: though he never pitched. But then he shows up for

799
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: the first time and nobody knew. Nobody like was like,

800
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: what's up, dude, Like, so good to see you, man.

801
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: How's the Rehabit was like going around like I'm Jordan Montgomery. Nice.

802
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: Everyone's like.

803
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: It was weird for a rehab time, not for a

804
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: long time because he wasn't going to pitch with them.

805
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: No, I know. That's why it was so strange.

806
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: It was weird.

807
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: But anyways, welcome back to Maybe he learned a.

808
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: Thing or two out in Milwaukee.

809
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: But for the Rangers, even on the pr side, him

810
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: being around the organization, they love him in Arlington.

811
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: And all of that, they love him. He was a dog.

812
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: That's the American missile.

813
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: Years ago.

814
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: That's the American missile. He came to spring training the

815
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: one year when we had chappion. He was like, you

816
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 4: know what, if he's the Cuban missile, why can't I

817
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: be the American missile? And then COVID hit and his

818
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: velocity went down. So but forever he'll be an American

819
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: missile in my heart.

820
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: He can have that nickname. I'm fine with that. I

821
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: like it. I hadn't heard that one. So you just

822
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: mentioned the Brewers. They're up next.

823
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: They signed someone hmm, an old friend, Gary Sanchez one

824
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: point seventy five mil.

825
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: Who is going to be their backup? Is this your

826
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: first big league signing they've had.

827
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: I think it is. Am I missing someone? Chat helped

828
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: me out or make me look stupid? Am I missing someone?

829
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Well you do that on your own.

830
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: You don't need the chat, thank you. Am I missing

831
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: someone that the Brewers signed?

832
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: I thought they signed somebody. I just talked about it yesterday.

833
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 4: I thought they signed somebody early, like a picture that.

834
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 4: But anyway, eh, Gary, my ex teammate, I mean you

835
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 4: got it.

836
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: You can't.

837
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: I guess William Contreras can't play every day.

838
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

839
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: I don't even know who the other backup was supposed

840
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: to be. I honestly thought there'd be a Jonaheim sighting

841
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: in Milwaukee because they value the receiving part of the

842
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 4: game a lot, and Jonaheim, you know, I think could

843
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: have could have fit into this roster in a way

844
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: as a as a switch hitter. Contreres can DH a

845
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: little bit more, but el Gary could go try to

846
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: hit some dingers.

847
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna be the backup catcher.

848
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: You have it clearly.

849
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't play much last year. He was hurt.

850
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: He was hurt a lot.

851
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: He only ended up I was looking, I'm like man

852
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: even less than I thought. Twenty nine games, one hundred

853
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: and one played appearances with the Brewers bad and with

854
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Milwaukee the year before, eighty nine games two hundred and

855
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: eighty played appearances six ninety nine ops below average OPS plus.

856
00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: So it's fine a lot that year. Yeah, well not

857
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: for a catcher, but for a catcher, it's above average.

858
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: It is above average. I think it was ninety four,

859
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: so it's a little above average. Fine, crats, it's fine.

860
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's fine. It's a it's a backup catcher

861
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: who's got some pop for you. I mean he should

862
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: be an above average backup catcher.

863
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, more hitting, Yeah, but he hasn't really been.

864
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: I mean, he hasn't been Gary a long time.

865
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: It's been a long time.

866
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: It has Knowing backup catchers, I was one. If El

867
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: Garry is your backup catcher, it's an upgrade. Sorry, I

868
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 4: get it. He's not gonna hit he's not gonna hit

869
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 4: twenty homers in his first twenty five games for the Brewers,

870
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: but it's a good it's a good backup. That's the

871
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: to me, that's the upper tier of backup catchers.

872
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: Agreed, totally agree, same page. That's an upper tier backup

873
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: catcher that can do it if he's health on offense,

874
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: if he's healthy. The one thing I'll say with him,

875
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: because I'm just remembering this, I'm not even going to

876
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: say the name of the person who's who's a friend

877
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: of mine, who's prominent in our game. He was like,

878
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: this guy's got He didn't say pooh holes production potential,

879
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: but he was making like pooh holes comps back in

880
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: the day. And I'm not doing it right now. But

881
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: my question is Kratz is a big fan of him

882
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: for years. When you do look at the career, this

883
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: guy hasn't lived up to what many thought he was

884
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: going to be. I know, he's nice and he's had

885
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: a nice career and he's hung around for a while.

886
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: But when he came up.

887
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: He was going to live up to that hype. Especially

888
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: it's really hard.

889
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: People thought he was going to be a superstar and

890
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: he was. You guys play the cat. You guys played.

891
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: He was a.

892
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: Superstar for about one year and then he hit. Then

893
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: he's a lot of things went wrong. There's the past

894
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: fall problem he had right and then I mean he

895
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: was basically just a home run hitter for a long time.

896
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: You guys played the position where guys get hyped and

897
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: fall blow expectations more than any other position in baseball.

898
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Because it's hard. It's hard because it wears, y'all.

899
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: There's more things that can go wrong that can derail

900
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 4: that hype. And I wouldn't say it was just hype.

901
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: I mean, you talk about sixteen was incredible, you know,

902
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: almost one rookie of the year with two hundred at bats.

903
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: That was awesome.

904
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 4: Seventeen, you know, we were one game away from going

905
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 4: to the World Series. We lost the Astros. He had

906
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: thirty three homers, a ops plus a one to twenty

907
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 4: six eighteen. He only played in eighty nine games nineteen,

908
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: played in one hundred and six games, still at a

909
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: OPS plus at one nineteen, so it was a good

910
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: start to four years. I remember even in twenty Cashman

911
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: came in. We were in COVID and Cashman came in

912
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: and he was we were kind of going through like

913
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 4: a rough patch, and he was going through like why

914
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: he believed in the team and why you know, the

915
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: guys that were on that roster, and he was like,

916
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: we have a catcher on this team who needs to

917
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 4: get back to the Hall of Fame track that he's

918
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: been on for the first four years of his career.

919
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: We have to get back to, you know, Aaron Hicks

920
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: being the guy that they gave the extension to, and

921
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: like Gary was one of those guys. And I think

922
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: really after that nineteen season I hit on a few

923
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: years ago on the show, but that it.

924
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: Wasn't just hype.

925
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 4: It wasn't like prospect hype. It was he was having

926
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 4: a lot of production from the catching position, which just

927
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: adds more to things that Aj did in his career,

928
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: staying healthy, playing catching a thousand innings and doing what

929
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: he did for so long that it needs to be

930
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: talked more about in the Hall of Fame category because

931
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 4: it is so freaking tough at that position.

932
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: There's examples every year in a variety of ways. There's

933
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Henry Davis, first overall pick and even if he wasn't

934
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be first overall, top ten pick and super hyped,

935
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: and right he's he's found himself.

936
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: He's found a lane, but he's not a star.

937
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: Adley Rutchman kind of emerged quickly as a potential star,

938
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: all Star looking player and then his production is has

939
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: dipped down on offense. Right, it is both that's what

940
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: I just said and Joey bart Bart Yeah, Matt Weemers,

941
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: remember he.

942
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: Came up with all the hype and then it kind

943
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: of fizzled a little bit.

944
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are solid big leaguers.

945
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: I think Rushman has a chance to be pretty good.

946
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: I do too.

947
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not putting him in the same category.

948
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like he was hyped as like this

949
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: could be the best player in the sport, and now

950
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, let's see if he gets his bat

951
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: back on track first before we start throwing out.

952
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: You know what's strange about a lot of catchers, and

953
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: I think Hope, I think Cretz agree with me. It's

954
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: a lot of times now Buster Posey Joe Mauer aside,

955
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: probably even though Joe didn't catch as long and he

956
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: moved to first and Buster only you know, Buster played

957
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: what ten years and kind of also had to move

958
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: to first sense injuries sadly, but they're both going to

959
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. A lot of times,

960
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: it's like kind of catchers that you don't hear about

961
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: that have really nice careers that kind of just fly

962
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: you kind of fly under the radar, and like you know,

963
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: I use Kurt Suzuki, like because he came up in Oakland, right,

964
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't I don't know if he was, but he

965
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: was like a second round I think the second round

966
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: pick when he got there. But he had a very

967
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: nice career by just being steady right, steady, steady, steady,

968
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: steady YACHTI Molina Back in the day when he came up,

969
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: they had Mike Methani. They had to get rid of

970
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: Mike Metheni to clear him for Yadi. Now, I don't know,

971
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: he wasn't obviously the super high draffick like he was,

972
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: but you know, he became something right. It's catching is

973
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: so hard to predict, man, it's the hardest. It really

974
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: is the hardest position to predict.