WEBVTT - Episode 2: “She Built Her Own Prison”

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin last time on Where's Dear?

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<v Speaker 2>I could hear her phone and ringing upstairs that she

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<v Speaker 2>was not anywhere in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Julie and I have spent hours and hours and hours

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<v Speaker 3>going over every scenario that it could possibly be, and

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<v Speaker 3>we came down to the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not leave of her own a court. You know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're the last person, this always become the suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days after Dea disappeared, Keith Harper, the man who

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<v Speaker 1>says he was DIA's fiance, drives to New Mexico, and

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<v Speaker 1>within a week police in San Juan County obtain a

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<v Speaker 1>warrant and search a lot dodge fenced in storage building

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<v Speaker 1>belonging to Harper. The cops also search Harper's motor home

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<v Speaker 1>on the grounds that it's linked to a missing person

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<v Speaker 1>or possible homicide. They remove a section of the driver's

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<v Speaker 1>seat and sees it as evidence. Several weeks later, Harper

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<v Speaker 1>sues the police to get his RV back. He wins,

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing else comes of it as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper eventually returns to the ranch where he and Diana Fedder,

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's close friend from Idlewild, have a showdown with DEA's

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<v Speaker 1>two kids, Clinton and Krossara. I talked to Clinton about

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<v Speaker 1>what went down that day. He's this very tall guy

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<v Speaker 1>with dark cropped hair, green eyes, and a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a nervous energy about him, although perhaps that's to be

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<v Speaker 1>expected under the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that I have to speak for my mother

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<v Speaker 4>because I don't think anybody else really can.

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<v Speaker 1>Around a month after DEA's disappearance, Clinton says that he

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<v Speaker 1>and his sister drove up to Beneatha Vista Ranch with

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<v Speaker 1>their attorney to take DEA's truck. They didn't want Harper

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<v Speaker 1>having it. But that's when Diana stops them in their tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>She hands them a piece of paper, a legal document

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<v Speaker 1>that has Deer's signature on it.

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<v Speaker 5>She handed us the power of attorney.

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<v Speaker 4>And the power of attorney is shockingly broad if you

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<v Speaker 4>read it. I mean it gives them total control over it,

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<v Speaker 4>whether or not to sell or buy anything. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it even says even while she's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, DEA's children can't take the truck, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also have to turn over their set of house

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<v Speaker 1>keys to Diana and Harper, the keys to DEA's kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's children had only met Harper and Diana a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks before this encounter. Clinton told me he also had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea that Harper was engaged to their mother. How

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<v Speaker 1>did that feel?

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<v Speaker 5>How did that feel? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Strange, I mean just weird that people I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>were in our family home that we spent millions of

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<v Speaker 4>dollars building and exerted a lot of effort on designing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had gone up there ever since I was

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<v Speaker 4>a little kid, and my mother always said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>she was building it for Grassara and I. And now suddenly,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, other people who I suspect had murdered her

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<v Speaker 4>are moving in.

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton is suspicious of Harper and Diana right off the bat,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he has no evidence that proves they had

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<v Speaker 1>anything to do with DEA's disappearance. This confrontation sets up

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<v Speaker 1>something that will continue to snowball for years, a power

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<v Speaker 1>struggle that will become so big it will consume Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>and Harper's lives. Clinton versus Harper battling it out over

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's estate. The more I've learned about DEA's life, the

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<v Speaker 1>more I've wondered, how did someone who had a family

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<v Speaker 1>and friends and a supposed fiancee end up with all

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<v Speaker 1>these people fighting over her estate. How did this glamorous

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<v Speaker 1>blonde go from living in her mountain paradise in a

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<v Speaker 1>town called Idlewild to completely disappearing. It's been hard to

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<v Speaker 1>understand Dea. I've had to craft a picture of her

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<v Speaker 1>through the people she left behind, even if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>quite sure I can totally believe what they're telling me.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be a bit of a mind fuck, to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, it feels like I'm looking at Dea through

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<v Speaker 1>a prism or a warped pair of glasses that distort everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But in this episode, I'm going to tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>how Dea ended up on a huge ranch in the

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<v Speaker 1>mountains at odds with her family living with a man

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<v Speaker 1>who says they were secretly engaged. I'm Lucy Sheriff, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Where's Dea? Episode two? She built her own prison.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me a while to track Peggy ken Schlow down,

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's younger sister, but I did and eventually met her

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<v Speaker 1>at her studio apartment in the San Diego suburbs. Right away,

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy seemed like the key to unlocking who Dea used

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<v Speaker 1>to be before she got caught up with the idlewild crowd.

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<v Speaker 6>She called me piggy Puff, and I called her I

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<v Speaker 6>think my mom told me I couldn't say Lydia, so

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<v Speaker 6>I called her Gia, and that's how she got Dia.

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy told me that she and Dea grew up with

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<v Speaker 1>their older brother Jim, in a nice house with an

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<v Speaker 1>avocado orchard on a patch of land in La Mesa,

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<v Speaker 1>a small inland community east of San Diego. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>Dea was the middle child, she was the one given

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<v Speaker 1>special treatment.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember my dad bought us all pentos, the cars,

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<v Speaker 6>and my brother and I got these like stripped down pinhos,

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<v Speaker 6>but Dia got a two toned Pinto that had like

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<v Speaker 6>fur like carpet in it. And she even had a radio,

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<v Speaker 6>and so she kind of got, you know, she got

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<v Speaker 6>the perks for being.

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<v Speaker 2>A middle child.

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<v Speaker 6>And she always said, I'm the middle child. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 6>meat in the sandwich, that's situitious.

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<v Speaker 1>The family had chickens and dogs, and Dia loved her animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy remembers one intense moment in particular that happened after

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<v Speaker 1>DIA's dog died.

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<v Speaker 6>She had a dog one time named Coco that got

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<v Speaker 6>kipped by a truck and she went up there and

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<v Speaker 6>scraped up its blood and stuff and second and baggy,

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<v Speaker 6>and we'll never forget it was a weird that she

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<v Speaker 6>loved her annals.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, something changed. Dea became interested in makeup

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<v Speaker 1>and fashion and fancy things. In getting out of Le

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<v Speaker 1>Masa and leaving that version of Dea behind.

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<v Speaker 6>She was funny, she was hilarious. But didn't she get

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<v Speaker 6>this money thing where it was everything everything to her

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<v Speaker 6>and it just created a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy is honest about her older sister, unflinchingly honest, to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where I felt almost uncomfortable talking this way

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<v Speaker 1>about a woman who's not here to speak for herself.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, she enjoyed money, she wanted more.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter clem Abrams, a much older real estate developer who

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<v Speaker 1>was from the wealthy enclave of La Joya, San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>Dea found him in a listing of Who's Who, basically

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<v Speaker 1>this old school way of dating where young single ladies

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<v Speaker 1>could find local eligible backs.

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<v Speaker 6>We snagged him. D and I did this together back

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<v Speaker 6>in Jim's old bedroom. I'll never forget doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Who's Who.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm San Diego and I called and I would like

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<v Speaker 6>flirt with him, and then I'd give the phone to her.

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<v Speaker 6>She would flirt with him and it was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they met. Clem was old money. Dea had

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<v Speaker 1>struck gold.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody loved Clem. Clem was really down to earth. Comb

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<v Speaker 6>used to drive around an old El Camino. No last, no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>you didn't have here.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to be. In nineteen eighty four, Deer got

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant with Clinton, and so Clem and Dea, who was

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<v Speaker 1>four months pregnant, tied the knot in front of a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred guests with a reception at SeaWorld, although not before

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<v Speaker 1>signing a prenup on Clem's insistence. Deer became this socialite

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<v Speaker 1>in San Diego, and her siblings saw her less and

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<v Speaker 1>less until one day Peggy and her brother Jim told

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<v Speaker 1>me she just cut them out, the only ties she

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<v Speaker 1>had left to that life in La Mesa.

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<v Speaker 6>I think what she felt put off by us. We

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<v Speaker 6>liked simple things. She wanted grand things.

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<v Speaker 1>And she had her own family by that point, Clem,

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<v Speaker 1>the husband, and their two children, Clinton and Chrissara. Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>says he was incredibly close to his mum.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I was a child we were best friends. We

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<v Speaker 4>would go shopping all the time. She loved the shop,

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<v Speaker 4>and she'd take me with her and I'd help her

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<v Speaker 4>pick out clothes and such, and she thought I had

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<v Speaker 4>a good fashion sense for a male.

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<v Speaker 1>When Clinton was around thirteen, Dea lef La Joya. I

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Idlewild to her Benita Vista ranch without Clem,

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<v Speaker 1>though he still supported her financially, and over time cracks

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<v Speaker 1>began to show in Clinton and DEA's relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>It just wasn't a day to day interaction really, and

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<v Speaker 4>so it was, you know, more sporadic. I talked to

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<v Speaker 4>her every couple of weeks or see here, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>every month or two months or so, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>According to her friends, Dea felt the kids didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to see her, although Clinton says that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the case. Regardless, Clinton and DEA's relationship did come under

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<v Speaker 1>strain when Clem's health began deteriorating.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't feel like she shared the same degree of concern.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time, I thought everybody was being callous because

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<v Speaker 4>I was so sensitive to him dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton also started to take over Clem's businesses, including the

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<v Speaker 1>upkeep of Deer's properties in Idlewild, and he and Dea

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<v Speaker 1>disagreed over how to manage them. Clinton is a real

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<v Speaker 1>estate guy. He loves land, he loves property. He prides

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<v Speaker 1>himself on having good business sense, and he was pushing

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<v Speaker 1>Dear to get rid of one of her proper tees.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't really a point of contention, but the interest

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<v Speaker 4>rate on it was just horrific, and nobody living there.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a large monthly nut to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Clinton's sister Krisara, to do an interview too

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<v Speaker 1>several times, but I didn't hear back from her or

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<v Speaker 1>her lawyer, so I can't tell you much more about

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship. Still, Clinton says that disagreements were never that serious,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was his mother who started pulling away, not

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<v Speaker 1>him or his sister, and he doesn't know why.

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<v Speaker 4>From the outside looking in, she had the perfect life.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the best husband. I mean, my dad was

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<v Speaker 4>just so gentle and giving, gave her everything she ever wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, she had multiple properties, horses, all the jewelry

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<v Speaker 4>that she could ever want.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, she went antiquing, she traveled the world.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I can't explain it, but she did

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<v Speaker 4>have a tendency to kind of create her own misery

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<v Speaker 4>in a certain certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>But if DEA's life was that perfect, why did she

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<v Speaker 1>leave everything behind and moved to this remote mountain ranch.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe her life looked perfect on the outside, but she

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<v Speaker 1>must have had her reasons for leaving Lahoya. Dea seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>had everything that she'd wanted as a child. She lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the glamorous seaside town, so beautiful that it's known

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<v Speaker 1>as San Diego's Jewel by the Sea, but she turned

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<v Speaker 1>her back on it for the craggy San Jacinto Mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton says she literally locked herself away from the world.

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<v Speaker 4>I would call her paranoid because I always told her that.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, you know, you came out here and we

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<v Speaker 4>built this beautiful mansion, and it's all of all of

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<v Speaker 4>these valuables, because she would have doors that locked from

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<v Speaker 4>the inside, so you had to have a key to

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<v Speaker 4>get out of the house. And so I would always

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<v Speaker 4>kind of say, you know, you have all these guns,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's kind of like you built yourself a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of your own prison, like you're guarding, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all these treasures up here in the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>When I pieced together everyone's different versions of events. I

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<v Speaker 1>can see a pattern of estrangement, Dia distancing herself from

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<v Speaker 1>those closest to her and where her family was moving

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<v Speaker 1>out of the picture. These other characters, her Idol, Wild Crew, Diana,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually Harper started moving in. That's after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>In October of twenty sixteen, when Dea was sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>years old, something happened that I think shows just how

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<v Speaker 1>isolated she felt. Dea needed major back surgery because she

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<v Speaker 1>suffered from lower back pain after falling off a horse

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. On the day of the procedure, Chrissara went

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<v Speaker 1>with her mother to Script's Memorial Hospital in La Joia.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was the surgery intense, Dia struggled during her recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>The doctor's notes described Dea as crying, continuously lying on

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<v Speaker 1>her side and sobbing, and saying her pain was an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen out of ten. The doctor recomoned seeing a psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>for depression. I've looked through the thousand plus pages of

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<v Speaker 1>Deer's medical records from that surgery and reading them was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty heartbreaking, the doctor wrote in his notes. Quote discuss

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<v Speaker 1>discharge plans and having adequate emotional support for her she says,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in her family is too busy. I really feel

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<v Speaker 1>for Dear here, this woman who is in her sixties

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<v Speaker 1>with a family, feels that she is completely utterly alone

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. And it's also this precious moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I feel I can almost hear Dea in her own words.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there was this other thing that Deer says happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I should make that clear. Harper says that

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<v Speaker 1>Dear says happened. I know, it's confusing. Sometime after Dear

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<v Speaker 1>got out of surgery, Harper says, Dear told him this

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<v Speaker 1>story about Clinton coming to visit her in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>And she talked about how she was thirsty, and she

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<v Speaker 2>asked if he could get her something to drink. And

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<v Speaker 2>she said, you know, I was coming out of them,

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<v Speaker 2>of the drugs that they had given me, And she said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was a little disoriented for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>but she said, you know, after I took the drink

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<v Speaker 2>and he gave me, I flipped into a very deep

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<v Speaker 2>coma and I was in that koma for nearly two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half days so far. He came out and

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<v Speaker 2>nearly died. They thought that they were going to lose

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<v Speaker 2>me and she said, I honestly believe that he administered

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<v Speaker 2>me some form drug that was intended to take my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. And did she tell anybody else about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? She told the doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing in the medical records about this accusation,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was this note in her chart. Found her

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<v Speaker 1>unresponsive to name and stimuli, unable to wake up, called

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one, and sent to ED for further evaluation.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no luck tracking down dear's doctor to find

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<v Speaker 1>out more. I did ask Diana about the story, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Was she concerned that Clinton may have tried to poison

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<v Speaker 1>her while she was in hospital?

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<v Speaker 3>She was adamant that he did well, that he slipped

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<v Speaker 3>her something while she was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I asked Clinton about this too, What is

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<v Speaker 1>your response to these accusations that you tried to poison

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<v Speaker 1>your mother when she was in hospital?

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<v Speaker 5>Just totally silly and not even worthy of.

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<v Speaker 1>A sad Clinton also disagreed with what Dea had told

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<v Speaker 1>her doctor, that everyone in her family was too busy

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<v Speaker 1>for her.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, unfortunately, she could be mellow, dramane. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>doubt that the doctor made the assessment that she was

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<v Speaker 4>depressed or sad, because I do feel that she had

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<v Speaker 4>some sort of mood disorder.

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<v Speaker 5>But no.

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<v Speaker 4>Both my sister and I am my father visit her

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<v Speaker 4>in the hospital multiple times, and we were always more

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<v Speaker 4>than willing to take care of her.

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<v Speaker 5>She seldom reached out.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she never asked me for help, or I

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<v Speaker 4>would have been happy to help her.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of what actually happened, the surgery seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a significant turning point in Dea and Clinton's relationship. Whether

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<v Speaker 1>she was growing apart from her kids or not, she

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<v Speaker 1>felt like she was. Dea was in a long period

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<v Speaker 1>of recovery from surgery for about two months after being discharged.

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<v Speaker 1>During that time, according to court records, she created her

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<v Speaker 1>own trust, separate from her husband's. In it, she put

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<v Speaker 1>all of her anti Peak's guns, jewelry, and property, including

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<v Speaker 1>the Bonita Vista ranch. Deer was the sole trustee, she

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<v Speaker 1>was in charge, she had control. In the trust agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>she had her attorney include this line trust her leaves

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but her love and affection to her son, Clinton Abrams.

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<v Speaker 1>In the event of Deer's death, Chris Sarah would become

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<v Speaker 1>trustee of the entire estate and inherit everything and that

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the end of it, except Dea wasn't

0:19:49.782 --> 0:19:55.462
<v Speaker 1>finished making changes to her trust more after the break,

0:20:15.542 --> 0:20:18.662
<v Speaker 1>although Dia and Clam were still legally married, they lived

0:20:18.702 --> 0:20:22.782
<v Speaker 1>their separate lives, and, according to Julie Stanford, Dea had

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<v Speaker 1>an active love life.

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<v Speaker 5>She liked cowboys that type.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, they're mostly pretty boys, you know, and they were useless.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie is the third slice to the Dear Diana Julie Pie,

0:20:36.702 --> 0:20:39.942
<v Speaker 1>this tight knit trio who'd been such good friends before

0:20:39.982 --> 0:20:44.102
<v Speaker 1>Dia disappeared. Julie and Dea had known each other for years.

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<v Speaker 7>Basically, when I needed rescuing, she helped me. When she

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<v Speaker 7>didn't rescue me, that helped her, you know, that kind

0:20:49.982 --> 0:20:51.542
<v Speaker 7>of thing, that kind of good friendship.

0:20:52.262 --> 0:20:55.502
<v Speaker 1>Dea confided her love troubles to Julie. She didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of luck when it came to finding the

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<v Speaker 1>right guy.

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<v Speaker 7>She would dig guys that were online. And I told her,

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<v Speaker 7>I said, Dia, you did these guys. I said, don't

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<v Speaker 7>bring them here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like, don't show these people you met online what

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<v Speaker 7>you have.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly what Dea did. According to Harper, they

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<v Speaker 1>met some time in the spring of twenty sixteen on

0:21:19.422 --> 0:21:26.102
<v Speaker 1>a dating site called farmers only. Harper told me about

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<v Speaker 1>the first time they met face to face. He had

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<v Speaker 1>flown from Colorado to California after months of talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Dea online.

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<v Speaker 2>She picked me up at the airport. She had Ruby

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<v Speaker 2>in the back, her dog, and I looked at her

0:21:41.502 --> 0:21:44.542
<v Speaker 2>and she had hey in her and I said, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you are kentry girl, aren't you? And she said, why

0:21:47.662 --> 0:21:49.862
<v Speaker 2>do you ask that? And I you got hey in

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<v Speaker 2>your hair and she laughed and said really, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I fed the animals before I come, but I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I'd brushed my hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper says they spent four blissful days together horseback riding, hiking,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the adventure was over. Harper flew back home

0:22:08.182 --> 0:22:12.102
<v Speaker 1>to Colorado, but they kept in touch, and then he

0:22:12.182 --> 0:22:16.342
<v Speaker 1>decided to come back for another visit, and then another

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<v Speaker 1>until the end of twenty sixteen, a couple of months

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<v Speaker 1>after Deer's surgery. He says he just moved in for good.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the ranch was pretty overgrow when I first

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<v Speaker 2>came in. You could hardly leave the cabin. But we

0:22:34.542 --> 0:22:38.622
<v Speaker 2>started behinding the place up because you know, her camp

0:22:38.742 --> 0:22:42.862
<v Speaker 2>was to use it as they airbnb, and it just

0:22:42.942 --> 0:22:44.662
<v Speaker 2>needed to work before it done.

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<v Speaker 1>Julie disputes the timeline when Harper moved in, saying it

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<v Speaker 1>was more like twenty eighteen. Regardless, when Julie finally met Harper,

0:22:53.982 --> 0:22:58.942
<v Speaker 1>she approved. Harper owns land and businesses in Arizona, New Mexico,

0:22:59.142 --> 0:23:02.542
<v Speaker 1>and Colorado. He's a soul of the earth kind of guy.

0:23:03.262 --> 0:23:06.382
<v Speaker 1>I like the pretty boys Deer usually went for. He

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<v Speaker 1>gets his hands dirty.

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<v Speaker 7>Harper he had a do thing, do you care things

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<v Speaker 7>work around the match, and that was something she needed

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<v Speaker 7>and someone to kind of lean on.

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<v Speaker 5>She was lonely, and that still that's void.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper and Deer had something else in common too. They

0:23:28.422 --> 0:23:32.822
<v Speaker 1>both loved money. There was one occasion when Julie and

0:23:32.862 --> 0:23:37.582
<v Speaker 1>Deer were showing Harper around Julie's place back then. Julie

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<v Speaker 1>lived in a trailer on a beautiful property that used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a cattle runch.

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<v Speaker 7>We were so on Harper the place, and we took

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<v Speaker 7>them down the road and looked, and he just saw

0:23:47.742 --> 0:23:50.462
<v Speaker 7>dollar signs. He said, well, this splace ought to be developed,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. So you know, he had the thing about money, money,

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<v Speaker 7>money all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this stretch of time where I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Up there at the ranch.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper says that after he moved in, they just lived

0:24:06.622 --> 0:24:10.502
<v Speaker 1>their lives, traveling around the American Worth managing the ranch.

0:24:12.382 --> 0:24:20.022
<v Speaker 1>But then something happened that caused a domino effect of events.

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's husband, Clem died.

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<v Speaker 2>She died on December well, two thousand eight, keen, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said to me, you know, it's Independence Day. It's

0:24:33.382 --> 0:24:36.262
<v Speaker 2>the first day that I actually feel free.

0:24:36.942 --> 0:24:42.142
<v Speaker 1>On that very same day, on DEA's Independence Day, she

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<v Speaker 1>went back to that trust she created after her surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>and she revisited the part that left her entire estate

0:24:49.622 --> 0:24:56.702
<v Speaker 1>to her daughter. I've seen this document. I've seen how

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<v Speaker 1>over the name Chrissara Abrams. Dea scribbled four or five

0:25:01.182 --> 0:25:06.462
<v Speaker 1>lines in black ink. She wrote, denied, dated it twelve twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, and added her initials.

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<v Speaker 2>D A.

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<v Speaker 1>Few pages later next to that line, which said quote

0:25:15.422 --> 0:25:17.942
<v Speaker 1>trust her leaves nothing but her love and affection to

0:25:17.982 --> 0:25:22.742
<v Speaker 1>her son Clinton Abrams. Dia added in her own handwriting

0:25:23.582 --> 0:25:28.062
<v Speaker 1>and daughter Krissara Abrams. So at this point in time,

0:25:28.502 --> 0:25:32.062
<v Speaker 1>if Dea were to suddenly drop dead, her children would

0:25:32.102 --> 0:25:39.982
<v Speaker 1>get nothing. All these changes to DEA's trust reflect in

0:25:40.062 --> 0:25:45.822
<v Speaker 1>real time changes she wanted, unlike Will's Trust impact your

0:25:45.822 --> 0:25:49.662
<v Speaker 1>life immediately because they dictate how your assets are managed.

0:25:52.422 --> 0:25:56.502
<v Speaker 1>In that same crazy month, December of twenty eighteen, as

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<v Speaker 1>if enough hadn't happened already, Harper says he proposed to

0:26:00.142 --> 0:26:03.742
<v Speaker 1>dea up on a hill overlooking the ranch, on a

0:26:03.822 --> 0:26:04.542
<v Speaker 1>rock formation.

0:26:05.302 --> 0:26:08.502
<v Speaker 8>It was up to the butterfly rock. It's up by

0:26:08.502 --> 0:26:12.982
<v Speaker 8>the waterfl we would get married. The idea was that

0:26:12.982 --> 0:26:16.742
<v Speaker 8>it would be in Jackson, Oul, Wyoming, being.

0:26:17.702 --> 0:26:21.022
<v Speaker 5>There's a little church there. That's where we have identified it.

0:26:22.142 --> 0:26:25.542
<v Speaker 1>He says he gave her a gold engagement ring, but

0:26:25.662 --> 0:26:29.902
<v Speaker 1>Dian never told anyone they were engaged, at least nobody

0:26:29.942 --> 0:26:34.022
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken with, and Harper claims as a reason for that,

0:26:34.542 --> 0:26:37.582
<v Speaker 1>if Dia married Harper, she might lose out on the

0:26:37.622 --> 0:26:40.302
<v Speaker 1>financial support provided by Clem's estate.

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<v Speaker 8>When she brought it up to her attorneys, they said,

0:26:43.302 --> 0:26:47.582
<v Speaker 8>you're foolish idea, because he has written in there that

0:26:47.782 --> 0:26:52.422
<v Speaker 8>if you don't marry, you continue to give benefits. If

0:26:52.462 --> 0:26:56.742
<v Speaker 8>you marry, you would find yourself maybe out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of any recourse anything.

0:27:01.462 --> 0:27:03.862
<v Speaker 5>That's the reason we didn't look forward on it.

0:27:04.342 --> 0:27:05.862
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you weren't going to get married.

0:27:07.022 --> 0:27:11.222
<v Speaker 8>We decided not to get married advice of the attorney.

0:27:11.822 --> 0:27:16.382
<v Speaker 1>And here comes another domino. Remember there are two trusts

0:27:16.502 --> 0:27:21.862
<v Speaker 1>at play, DEA's and Clem's, and after Clem's death, Deer

0:27:21.982 --> 0:27:25.462
<v Speaker 1>doesn't just change her own trust, she takes another look

0:27:25.542 --> 0:27:34.262
<v Speaker 1>at Clem's. The entire time Deer lived in Idlewild, Clem

0:27:34.342 --> 0:27:37.462
<v Speaker 1>was paying the bills. When he was alive, he provided

0:27:37.542 --> 0:27:42.062
<v Speaker 1>for her, made sure she had everything she needed. But

0:27:42.222 --> 0:27:44.982
<v Speaker 1>now their children were left in charge of his trust

0:27:46.062 --> 0:27:49.422
<v Speaker 1>and in charge of how much money she was going

0:27:49.462 --> 0:27:52.742
<v Speaker 1>to get. So although Clem had provided for his wife

0:27:52.822 --> 0:27:56.142
<v Speaker 1>throughout his life, now that he was dead, the money

0:27:56.222 --> 0:27:58.702
<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like it was flowing in Deer's direction like

0:27:58.742 --> 0:28:02.822
<v Speaker 1>it once was. Here's a good example. A couple months

0:28:02.902 --> 0:28:07.422
<v Speaker 1>after Clem died, a once in a generation flood hit Idlewild.

0:28:08.142 --> 0:28:12.222
<v Speaker 1>Harper says it caused intense damage on the ranch, and it.

0:28:12.622 --> 0:28:15.582
<v Speaker 2>Took out the bridge, It took up the dam and

0:28:15.622 --> 0:28:19.942
<v Speaker 2>then left cavities everywhere. And when she had at Clinton

0:28:20.022 --> 0:28:24.982
<v Speaker 2>if he would help make the repairs, he refused. He said,

0:28:25.062 --> 0:28:27.542
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're eating, that's all you need for

0:28:27.622 --> 0:28:28.102
<v Speaker 2>right down.

0:28:29.582 --> 0:28:33.542
<v Speaker 1>Harper also told me that in January twenty twenty, the

0:28:33.662 --> 0:28:37.422
<v Speaker 1>kids cut Deer off financially. Clinton says this wasn't the

0:28:37.462 --> 0:28:39.942
<v Speaker 1>case at all. He says that he sent his mother

0:28:40.102 --> 0:28:41.662
<v Speaker 1>plenty of money.

0:28:41.942 --> 0:28:44.582
<v Speaker 4>She was never cut off, not even for a second.

0:28:45.502 --> 0:28:48.622
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know about the flood. I don't recall being

0:28:48.662 --> 0:28:54.462
<v Speaker 4>asked to help. I do recall her discussing it as

0:28:54.582 --> 0:28:58.502
<v Speaker 4>a potential reason why she couldn't attend Clem's memorial. And

0:28:58.582 --> 0:29:01.542
<v Speaker 4>I said, you got to find a way. This is

0:29:01.582 --> 0:29:06.302
<v Speaker 4>your husband's and I'm throwing a nice service. That's about

0:29:06.342 --> 0:29:07.182
<v Speaker 4>really the extent.

0:29:07.862 --> 0:29:08.102
<v Speaker 5>You know.

0:29:08.582 --> 0:29:11.022
<v Speaker 4>They loved to try and make it sound as if

0:29:11.902 --> 0:29:14.182
<v Speaker 4>we were refusing her money or some such.

0:29:16.102 --> 0:29:18.422
<v Speaker 1>Did she make it to your dad's memorial?

0:29:19.062 --> 0:29:19.502
<v Speaker 5>She did.

0:29:19.702 --> 0:29:25.262
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Again, we have these two opposing narratives. Whatever the

0:29:25.302 --> 0:29:27.942
<v Speaker 1>reality of how much money the kids were sending Dea,

0:29:28.862 --> 0:29:31.742
<v Speaker 1>we do know that she felt it wasn't anywhere near

0:29:31.782 --> 0:29:36.302
<v Speaker 1>what she deserved. To make things more complicated, there was

0:29:36.342 --> 0:29:39.262
<v Speaker 1>a change in tax law that affected the amount Dea

0:29:39.302 --> 0:29:44.182
<v Speaker 1>stood to gain from Clem's estate. So, as Clem's legal wife,

0:29:44.262 --> 0:29:46.702
<v Speaker 1>she was expecting to get around half of his estate

0:29:47.382 --> 0:29:52.262
<v Speaker 1>around five million dollars, but after the change, she could

0:29:52.262 --> 0:29:58.622
<v Speaker 1>potentially be left with nothing zero. So six months after

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<v Speaker 1>Clem died, Dea filed a lawsuit against her own children

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<v Speaker 1>to modify Clem's trust and invalidate that prenup she'd sign

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<v Speaker 1>with him all those years ago. Dea felt the prenut

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<v Speaker 1>was unfair and that she'd been pressured into it. She

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<v Speaker 1>wanted six point seven million dollars minimum. Dea and the

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<v Speaker 1>kids vollied objections and amendments back and forth through San

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<v Speaker 1>Diego Superior Court. The kids did not want to comply

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<v Speaker 1>with their mother's demands. Dea was stressed. She texted Diana

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<v Speaker 1>about it in April of twenty twenty. I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>everything that's going on with the kids, Dea texted, it's

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's worst nightmare. And Diana remembers another comment Dea made

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<v Speaker 1>again about the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I had already been aware of the different things that

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<v Speaker 3>the kids were doing to make her life miserable with

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<v Speaker 3>the lawsuit, and she turned to me and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>if anything ever happens to me, Clinton did it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're almost back to that June of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the day when Deer disappeared. But there's one

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<v Speaker 1>other thing I've got to tell you. About before we

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<v Speaker 1>can close that loop of time, remember that Deer had

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<v Speaker 1>crossed Chrissara out of her trust and had very specifically

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<v Speaker 1>noted that Clinton would get nothing. Well, Dea made one

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<v Speaker 1>more major move. She changed her trust again. Dea named

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<v Speaker 1>a new beneficiary, Keith Leslie Harper, and as an alternate

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<v Speaker 1>trustee second in command if something happened to Harper was

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<v Speaker 1>Diana Feedder. This meant that if anything happened to Dea,

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<v Speaker 1>Harper would assume control of her trust benefit from her

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<v Speaker 1>entire estate, all her antiques, bank accounts, jewelry, and property

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<v Speaker 1>assets worth potentially millions of dollars. Two weeks after Dea

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<v Speaker 1>made this change to her trust, she disappeared. Coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on Where's Dear, There was.

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<v Speaker 5>A piece of paper that said that she feared for

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<v Speaker 5>her life.

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<v Speaker 3>He would constantly call me, constantly text me is the dead?

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<v Speaker 5>Is Dea alive?

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<v Speaker 2>She stays over and over over and over again to

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<v Speaker 2>me and others that if I disappear, and if my

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<v Speaker 2>son's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producer is Daphne Chen, editing by Karen Shakerji. Production

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<v Speaker 1>assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design

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<v Speaker 1>and mastering by Echo Shaw's Where's Deer is a co

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<v Speaker 1>production of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. Where's Deer was originally

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<v Speaker 1>developed with Truly*Adventurous.