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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles, and only

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles Apostles. I'm George Rice Stir,

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Speaker 1: He's Romps and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. We

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Speaker 1: are back. Um you guys, Thank you guys for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot to talk about today. You know, sometimes

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Speaker 1: But here we are. So Jimmy Lake, there's news about

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake. I don't know what that news is, but

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Speaker 1: Ralph is going to tell me. Um. The Pack twelve

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Speaker 1: has decided to work from home because they don't want

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Speaker 1: damn building for anyway. But anyways, Lincoln Riley gives his

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Speaker 1: thoughts on recruiting. Oregon's two class keeps getting better even

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Speaker 1: though signing day. What has been done for you know

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Speaker 1: What a weird what a weird situation to be in.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was it was always sort of evident

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Speaker 1: the idea that like Damon would be getting recruited by

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Speaker 1: PACTO schools. But like here we are in it with

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Speaker 1: There's this element to it where like we're pretty critical

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Speaker 1: if it made me think about, okay, George, what are

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Speaker 1: you know, so Westwood was great. We're actually going back

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Speaker 1: out to practice on Saturday. How this is this is

429
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: a question that uh, I think listeners will be interested

430
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: in because it's not a question that you would get. Um.

431
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: But you and I don't talking about anything, you know, Um,

432
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: how is it going into some of these visits saying like,

433
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: all right, but would they really play black quarterback? Because

434
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: you you went out to Utah where they do and

435
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: have u c L a long history of it, I mean,

436
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: from Jackie Robinson on you know, Brett Hunley in the

437
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: last four years of Dorian Thompson Robinson. Um, and then

438
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: you go to Arizona where you know Jordan McLeod showed

439
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: out thirst train last year. But got to play Khalil

440
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: Tate was, you know, starting there for a couple of years.

441
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: It's funny because that has not crossed my mind at all.

442
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: The only place that that's crossed my mind for to

443
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, is actually coming to come see Damon

444
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: throw next week, I think, and at Stanford mm hmm. There,

445
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: so they're coming to come see him, see him practice

446
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: and throw and all of that. And that's the only

447
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: place that I've thought about that at. And that's only

448
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen one. But but like saw on

449
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: that road for the first time, right oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

450
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: but we that's not even on the radar right now. Um.

451
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: And but Stanford, like David Shaw, is a black man.

452
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: He's clearly aware of issues out in the world. So like,

453
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: so I thought about that with Stanford, like I've never

454
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: seen a black quarterback there. But but then our Ori

455
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Patto is probably going to be their starter this year,

456
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: who is Saul Patou's son who I played with at Oregon.

457
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: So like then that's kind of dispelled too. So I

458
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: haven't really like, I mean, like that hasn't crossed my

459
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: mind at all. That's a good thing. I mean that's

460
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: that's uh, because I definitely talked to recruit parents. Um

461
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: that said that, that factored into the decision that they

462
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: were making on which Pac twelfth school to send their

463
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: kid to play football at. And I'm talking quarterback parents,

464
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean I mean if you look, yeah,

465
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: so like it hadn't really because I've seen it pretty

466
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: much everywhere, Like I don't remember it at Washington or

467
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Washington State, but Washington State is in the middle of nowhere,

468
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: so it's probably hard to get black kids to go

469
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: there too, you mean, on on on on some level,

470
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: but they will this year, right, Yeah, quarterback they brought

471
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: in from Sacred Heart or whatever's correct. So like I had,

472
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: so it was never like a negative in with any

473
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: of the schools, Like it's never been a negative thought

474
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: around me surrounding any of the around that at all,

475
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: because pretty much all of them have had black quarterbacks recently.

476
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Is there any schools Is there any schools that like, No,

477
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I can't make you say this outline on the podcast,

478
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask it anyway, just so that you know

479
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: where my head's at. So there is kind of like

480
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: a it would be fun to do, you know, like

481
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: a catch them all element to it of like this

482
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: is the Pact All Apostles podcast, and we did unofficials

483
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: to all twelve all twelve campuses to get the inside

484
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: scoop on what's going on. Right. Um, but I I

485
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: have wondered if that did cross your mind of like, yeah,

486
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think my kid would play for

487
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: that school, but it would be fun to go on

488
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: a visit just to be able to talk about it

489
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yes, I will say yes,

490
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: there are some schools out in the nation that that

491
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that that's probably true. Um. All right, now on to

492
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the next day. Um, now now, oh, what's going on

493
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Lake? Okay, Yeah, So so there was um,

494
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what to call it,

495
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: um almost like an exit interview thing. It wasn't with

496
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake. Um, but it was in the Athletic and

497
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: and we haven't done a show in a while. So

498
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: this is from late March and Christian Cable wrote this.

499
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: It said, internal documents and text messages provide a look

500
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: into the final days of the Jimmy Lake era at

501
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Washington and you know, you'd figure, you know, they they

502
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: got all of this information through you know, freedom of

503
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: information requests or whatever. You you figure that there would

504
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: be some maybe scandalous thing, especially with um, you know,

505
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: the him essentially being dismissed for UM the ruper ruper

506
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: Rocky favi um incident. UH. And what they found is

507
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: it just was pretty simple. It was stuff that you

508
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: actually talked about going on behind the scenes at this podcast.

509
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: You you you were tapped into exactly what was going on.

510
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Is that Jen Cohen just said that she came to

511
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: the conclusion that she didn't have confidence and coach Lake's

512
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: ability to continue to lead the program moving forward. Now,

513
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: this story, it got quotes from people, but they're like,

514
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: they're nothing in this story is disrespectful or shocking or

515
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: or anything. UM. It really just comes down to, UM,

516
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: this was a will versus skill issue. He wanted to

517
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: do a good job and they just don't think he

518
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: had the ability, um to to get the job done.

519
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: So the Athletic comes out with this piece and there's

520
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: just really nothing of note in there. I'm just wondering

521
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: if that at if that's surprised you, if you expected

522
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: it to kind of be worse when you consider that

523
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: what he what what they pointed out him being fired

524
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: for was fairly. No. I didn't expect it to be worse.

525
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: We knew what what it what it was he wasn't

526
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: recruiting well and he was losing, and they found it

527
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: out that's what it was. And that was the whole

528
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: thing with elevating him, right, was he did such a

529
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: good job defensive coordinator, uh and as a recruit a

530
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: recruiter um that if the recruiting wasn't there, and that

531
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: was the main reason you did it, you probably could

532
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: have stood to have him have a learning curve on

533
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: how to become the type of leader um that that

534
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: team needed. But if it didn't come with the recruiting,

535
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, what are you gonna do. You're gonna hang

536
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: on like USC did for several years to Clay Hilton,

537
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: or you're gonna make change. And and they made a

538
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: pretty quick change. What I'm kind of surprised at is

539
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: that they you and I floated a bunch of different

540
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: possible destinations for him, and it doesn't sound like any

541
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: of those are coming to fruition. So do you think

542
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: that he's kind of scarred by the experience UM at

543
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: University of Washington into possibly not not being someone that

544
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: that people would be wanting to bring in as a coach. No,

545
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: I think that there are people who want to bring

546
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: him in as a coach. I think he's going to

547
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: be very strategic about where he wants to be next.

548
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: So I think we will see him resurfaced as a

549
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator next season. Confident about that. Yeah. So uh.

550
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: There's a safety named Alex Cook there who's heading into

551
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: his sixth year and he had an interesting quote to

552
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Seattle Times um when they asked if University Washington secondary

553
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: which has been I mean over the last ten years

554
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: far and a the best in the fact, Well, I

555
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: think that's fair to say um on average, especially with

556
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: producing NFL level talent. He said that the standard wasn't

557
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: created by the coaches. It's created by the players. That's

558
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: something they take to heart and they expect that to continue.

559
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: That the the Washington Huskies, if nothing else, are going

560
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: to continue to have a dominant secondary. Do you believe that? No? No, No,

561
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: I think that they had some special talents in that

562
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: room who have been the best parts of that team,

563
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: and it was clear coming in every year, and I

564
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: think that they may be okay, they like, they may

565
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: still have some talent in that room, but I don't

566
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: think it's going to be the anchor of the defense

567
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: like it had been in previous years. Okay, well, when

568
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: Dom Hampton and UH and Jacoby Covington are both all conference,

569
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: will revisit your comments. And when um oh and Washington

570
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: has reached out about my son, yeah, and they and

571
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: they didn't they come to see him throw as well. Ye,

572
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: so well, but that was yeah. So it'll be interesting

573
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: though to see how that works out, because I think

574
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: sometimes teams may be hesitant to recruit. But I tell

575
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: everybody like yo, like, I'm sending him to the best

576
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: place for him, not the best place for me. Um

577
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Networks George Cliakoff UH his like, Listen,

578
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: we're done with the lease in San Francisco. We are

579
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: not that everybody who's what not a network employee will

580
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: be working from home, and that they haven't chosen a

581
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: new place for the conference headquarters. People thought it would

582
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: be either in Arizona, but more likely in Vegas. I

583
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: thought that this was a great move because the building

584
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: that the Pac twelve was leasing, they signed their lease

585
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: at what like nine thousand dollars a month or some

586
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: something ridiculous, and then right after they signed it, the

587
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: building was sold for like nineties semi million dollars, and

588
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: the with the amount of rent that they played, with

589
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: the amount of rent that they paid during the time period,

590
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: they could have bought the building could have bought the building.

591
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: So then at least the Pack twelve would have had

592
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: a hundred plus million dollar asset because it would have

593
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: appreciated so so much. That was a crime. And George

594
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Clicopp is just like, listen, we have to work on

595
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: a shoestring budget, but you can still do your job.

596
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: But we don't need to, you know, like we will

597
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: rent or we work space or something if we if

598
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: we need to, uh, you know, host people, or we'll

599
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: just pay for dinner or lunch. Man. I just so,

600
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: the stories about them paying too much for rent are

601
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: almost four years old. Now. It's amazing that it wasn't

602
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, something that people were talking about um and

603
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: mass even before then because it was just so disastrous. Um,

604
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I think that this is the logical thing to do,

605
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: and it's hard for me to Let's put it this way,

606
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: every single time. George Kleevkoff does like a normal thing.

607
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I celebrate because of the years of

608
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: gas lighting from Larry Scott of not doing the most

609
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: obvious and normal thing. And and I'm wondering when that's

610
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: gonna stop, and when I'm going to start being able

611
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: to like hold George Kleevkoff just accountable as the commissioner

612
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: of the pack twelve oh, instead of a guy that's

613
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: coming in to clean it up and trying to patch

614
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: hole rules. And then you're like, we can't blame it,

615
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: we can't fault him for anything that that's happening. Yeah,

616
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: when does he's Yeah? So it's it's kind of like

617
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: the thing that you run into, UM every time there's

618
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: a new president and you're like eighteen months into their

619
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: term and they're still talking about like, well I got

620
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: left this huge mess. I was like, well, then dude,

621
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: then clean it, clean it up, clean it up, if

622
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: that's your job. UM. And at one point in time,

623
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: will does that changes the question? Yeah? Yeah, because there

624
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 1: are so many obvious things that needed adjusted and he's

625
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: just sort of come in and done all those obvious things.

626
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: And and what I'm finding in myself as somebody who

627
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: really cares about the conference is every time George Kleavcov

628
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: does a thing that we were screaming for him to

629
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: do for years, I get mad all over again. Yes, yes,

630
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: hell yeah, Like I get mad. You're like, why didn't

631
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: you do this in the first place? Crazy man? Yeah,

632
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: because like what when you spent all this time telling me,

633
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: You spent all this time telling me that it couldn't

634
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: be done, or that you know that that's not actually

635
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: what people want, or that things are fine, and then

636
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: somebody comes in and it's just as simple as like

637
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: waving a magic wand and it just gets you upset

638
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: all over again. And it always frustrated me that not

639
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: only were they in San Francisco paying exorbitant amounts of rent,

640
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: but in order to have employees, they had to bring

641
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Speaker 1: them out there and put them in the most expensive

642
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: city to live in. So you had pact all network employees,

643
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: like paying crazy amounts of money just to be able

644
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: to live, traveling crazy amounts of time just to get

645
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: to work. And then a lot of those people got

646
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: furloughed or laid off, and then they're stuck in a

647
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: city there not from you know, with leases they can't

648
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: break and and all sorts of stuff going on, and

649
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: it was just it was just an absolute mess. And

650
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: so you know, the fact that this finally got done

651
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: means that maybe the Pact twelve will actually be able

652
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: to attract talent, like good talent that can do um

653
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: remote work for them. But I am interested to see

654
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: what it means for the network because it's important to

655
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: me that they still broadcast games, but what if anything

656
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: are we using this network for outside of those broadcasts,

657
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: And and a little bit of of of analysis, should

658
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: they be trying to build up the network in some

659
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: other way? See see I think that George clia coovts

660
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: first real you know, what did he do? Situation is

661
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: going to be what he does with these TV contracts

662
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: and if he's able to fix anything in the meantime,

663
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: if he's able to because these contracts are ironclad. Like remember,

664
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: got a chance to talk to him. He was like, listen,

665
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: that's the first thing I did, And I was like,

666
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, these things are terrible, So listen. I

667
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: expect him to like, I don't think that there's anything

668
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: that he can do, but I'm hoping that there is

669
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: something that he can do, If that makes sense. I

670
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: would love I would love for them to start producing

671
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: content that highlights the personalities of the PAC twelve in

672
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: a way that is um super accessible and financially rewarding

673
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: for the people that are involved. Like if the Pact

674
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: Code Network can have like a real assistant coaches of

675
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. If you toss secondary coach can be

676
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: on Real Housewives, he can be on Real Pack twelve

677
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: assistants right to where to where we just get to

678
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: know some of these people better, or even some of

679
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: the players. Because I'm assuming like, if let's say the

680
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: PAC twelve was doing a show where they followed six

681
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: or seven players for an entire year, they should be

682
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: able to compensate those players, right, Wonder what n I

683
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: L is? I mean that, I'm just trying to figure

684
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: out ways for them to be actually be able to

685
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: take some of that nine point two million dollars or

686
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: whatever they were paying in rent every year to reallocate

687
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: it into something that actually builds up the personality of

688
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and encourages recruits to stick around in

689
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: that region of the country. Yep. Absolutely, Fox Sports Radio

690
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch

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Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app search f s

693
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: R to listen live. All right, um, now, Lincoln Riley,

694
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: he had his thoughts on recruiting. Do you have those

695
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: pulled up? I'm pulling up right now. And this was

696
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: very interesting because the comments came out after actually, so

697
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: while while why while you're pulling that up, We'll talk

698
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: briefly about Oregon's two recruiting class. So they just added

699
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: two new players to their two recruiting class, which bumped

700
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: them up with only seventeen recruits to number thirteen in

701
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: the nation. Their blue chip rating is continuing to go up.

702
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: They got a five star, one of the top ten

703
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: players in the country. And Connorley had forecasted to USC

704
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: right before he committed. Yes, and and that because USC

705
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: they tho they thought they had this one in the bag.

706
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: They're like, we're recruiting, we got Lincoln Riley came, we

707
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: got four or five stars like that between two classes.

708
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: They're like, we're getting everybody. And then it's like, wait,

709
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: hold on, he didn't choose us. Oh my god, they

710
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: must be paying people. And you're like everybody's like wait,

711
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: wait what USC fans, how dare you? How dare you.

712
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: How do you think you got your quarterback? Foo? How

713
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: do you think he just got your new quarterback from

714
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma where he had massive success last year. How do

715
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: you think you got him? How do you think you

716
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: got your coach? Yeah? Yeah? And and then so connorly

717
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: ends up picking Oregon, and then there's the oh my god,

718
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: the belly aching, Oh my god, this the name image

719
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: and likeness thing, this is this is he got a

720
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: big bag. We don't know what the kid got. But

721
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: but then wouldn't wouldn't that be actually encouraging for you? Yeah,

722
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: because once you realize that that's going to be the

723
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Speaker 1: primary motivating factor, if it was in fact the primary

724
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Speaker 1: motivating factor for Josh Connerley or his family, Once you

725
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: realize that's the case, you actually have the resources to

726
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: make that happen and are in the process of making

727
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: that happen with those resources. If I if all that

728
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: would serve to me is encouragement and igniting a competitive

729
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: spirit to say, like, all right, Oregon, like we see

730
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: how it is. You know, we'll keep going head to

731
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: head on some of these And I think that that's

732
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just you shouldn't be in a position

733
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Speaker 1: to complained right now, if you're a have and the

734
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: Pact twelve only really has a couple of halves, right,

735
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: everybody else's kind of have not in this new environment.

736
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: And USC is on that list of very financially blessed

737
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: um and reputationally sound uh places that that high level

738
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: recruits would want to go. So I don't see what

739
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: the point is of complaining. But the other interesting thing

740
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Speaker 1: that happened for Oregon class is Kyler Casper, a six

741
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: ft five over two pound wide receiver could ultimately end

742
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: up at tight end um player out of Arizona not

743
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: only committed to Oregon, which is kind of surprised because

744
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: his dad played for Iowa and Tennessee was hot in

745
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: pursuit um, but not only did he commit to Oregon,

746
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: he reclassified to the class. So all of a sudden,

747
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: that first, Dan Lanning, Um, Kenny Dillingham, it looks pretty

748
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: damn good. Yeah, yeah, you got a five star, eight

749
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: four stars, so so you signed a small class, so

750
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you still have a bunch of scholarships for three to

751
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: When dude, at first, it was like, okay, well that

752
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: when they pick up where Christal Ball left left off,

753
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: and now you're like, oh my god, what the hell

754
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: can they do with a whole with a whole year.

755
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: And if you look at the visitors list, like Oregon

756
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: always got good visitors, but when you look at their

757
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: visitor lists now it's even better. It's even better. Like

758
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: they're getting number like top kids in the country to

759
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: come visit. And if you get them on campus, like

760
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: on unofficials two and then they're coming back for officials,

761
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna land some of them fish buddy. Um. But

762
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: now what and now the reason why we're talking about

763
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: two Oregon class is because of Lincoln Riley's comments and

764
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: you can read them row. Yeah, So Lincoln Riley talked

765
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: a little bit about n I L and how it's

766
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: altered recruiting. Um. And of course if he's speaking on this,

767
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: people are definitely gonna listen, especially you know, Oklahoma fans

768
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: who are always looking for a reason to be upset.

769
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: L A based college football fans who just want to know,

770
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, how the environment is shifting. And then anybody

771
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: else in the PAC twelve that has to go head

772
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: to head with usc UM. Here's what Lincoln Riley had

773
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: to say. It's completely changed. It it doesn't even resemble

774
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: what we used to do before n I L. In

775
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: every sense of the word. It's different the r The

776
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: reality is, it's made what's gone on at certain places

777
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: for a long time. It's going to put it out

778
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: in the open. So maybe some positives there. I'm a

779
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: fan of guys being able to capitalize off of their name,

780
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: image and likeness. There was no doubt it was going

781
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: to seep into recruiting at some point. I think anybody

782
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: that cares about college football is not real pleased with that,

783
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: because that wasn't the intention. We all get that. A

784
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: lot of people voiced concerns when n i L came

785
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: up that there had to be a plan for that. Instead,

786
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: we instituted n I L without any plan for that.

787
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: So that's where we're at, or that's why we're at

788
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: where we're at, And I'm sure at some point there's

789
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a market correction, if you will, with recruiting.

790
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully there will be, because in a perfect world, they

791
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: stay separate. High school kid, his family, their state. If

792
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: they have an N I L opportunity, that's great. College

793
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: kids if they have an N I L opportunity, fantastic.

794
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: It shouldn't cross over. But unfortunately, with the way the

795
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: rules are set up, it has crossed over. It's crossing

796
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: over a lot right now, and it's totally changing recruiting.

797
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, George, I don't know what he's

798
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: saying here. I heard that and all I heard was

799
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: want wow, Wow, woun Mount, moun Mount. You are one

800
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: of the halves. You are one of the beneficiaries of this.

801
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: Do you think or do you think he's acknowledging that

802
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: fans had a concern that didn't get addressed and now

803
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: and now it's playing out ex actually the way that

804
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: some fans who should be first prepared to deal with

805
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: this in the n C double a had said that

806
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: it would end up. Yes, dude, the n C And

807
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: that's why I remember when his comments came out. I tweeted.

808
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: I was like, people are mad at the kids for this.

809
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: This is Mark Emmert's fault. Oh for sure, this is

810
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: the n C double as fault. They let the kids

811
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Speaker 1: in the in the in the in the candy store

812
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: and was like, yo, here's the credit card me meet

813
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: meet me back at the car, and left all of

814
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: them in there at the same time, and they all

815
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: gave them black card and max Is after spending an

816
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: exorbitant amount of money to keep them out of the

817
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: candy store. Yes, it spen a hundred million dollars to

818
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: keep him out of the candy store instead of spending

819
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: said energy and time figuring out ways to, you know,

820
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: put guard rails around these things. But listen, like like

821
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, the Senate needs to Congress, needs

822
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: to intervene and do what. Guess they need to put

823
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: some universal rules in. But how many rules are they

824
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: actually gonna be able to put in. They're not gonna

825
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: be able to put very many in. The toothpaste is

826
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: already out of the jar. If you try to put

827
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: it back in, there's gonna be endless lawsuits that it's

828
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a nightmare. The NF double A is to blame.

829
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: And this is the system that we have now and

830
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: now you've got to deal with it. But what the

831
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: hell does this mean? Hopefully they stay separate, that's what

832
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: Lincoln Ryley said. So what does he mean that hopefully

833
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: n I L doesn't play into recruiting because because he's

834
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: at USC, so he's hoping that the kids that would

835
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: ordinarily go to USC that might end up now at

836
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Speaker 1: Missouri or you know, or Arizona or U C. L A,

837
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Speaker 1: or Washington or Oregon or wherever else, or Florida or

838
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: Alabama that kids that he would have a chance at.

839
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Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no no, no, no no no no. I

840
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: want to be able to have the biggest stick in

841
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: the yard. I'm in l A, I'm at USC. I

842
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: can bring celebrities around. Like so he has a natural advantage,

843
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: and he doesn't like the fact that it is going

844
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: to level the playing field or expand the playing field?

845
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: Is it? But but here's my question, is he is

846
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: what is the grievance? Is it collectives? Because he's saying

847
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: if a high school kid has an n I L

848
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: opportunity in high school, like if if somebody wants to,

849
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, if a car dealership wants to work with

850
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: the quarterback of Modern Day, great, and if another car

851
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: dealership wants to work with the quarterback of USC, great,

852
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: But it shouldn't factor in the recruiting. All I can

853
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: think of is does he have an issue with N

854
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: I L collectives that are putting together what are essentially

855
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: like contracted pay rates from the outside, like for nico

856
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Iam Alva who's leaving California to go to University of Tennis.

857
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: He is that the type of stuff that he that

858
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: he's frustrated with. Is it just the collectives He wants

859
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: to n C double A to come in and make

860
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: that illegal or or what because I still think you

861
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: should probably have to do something for the money. Yeah,

862
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: but they do. They have to do charity work or something.

863
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's it's one of those loose

864
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: days like so they're actually doing something. It's just a

865
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: matter of whether people feel like that's Nikolaimileva is gonna

866
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: do what at University Tennessee, He's gonna represent every business

867
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: that's part of the collective. No, he's gonna be there

868
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: at their back and call. He will probably have to

869
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: do like you know, some of like show up at

870
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: the children's hospital, show up on a pocket like it's

871
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: not gonna be very much that has to be done.

872
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: But that feels gross though, like a little bit. It's

873
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: always like warm and fuzzy thing when you have team

874
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: activity is to go down like the less fortunate or

875
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: people who are going through it. I mean, he but

876
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: but he he would have done it anyway. I'm getting

877
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: paid a hundred and eighty thou dollars to read the

878
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: kids an hour. I'm gonna read with passion. I'm gonna

879
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: read with passion. I'll be pissed. I'll be pissed if

880
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: Nicolaimilai will walked into kiding earning class and just like

881
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: monotoned his way through cat and the hat, hey read

882
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: this correct, funny man? All right? Um? J T. Daniels

883
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: decided to well, well, I actually but before we get

884
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: off a linkol Riley, So USC fans believe that they

885
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: are a potential, you know, playoff team this year. I

886
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly disagree. I think that they are further that that,

887
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: if they were playing a game of seven on seven,

888
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: they are in the cat bird seat. But when it

889
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: comes to actual football, they don't have the lineman on

890
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: either side to be able to compete. Utah and Ore

891
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna're gonna be able to run them over. Where do

892
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: you think that they're recruiting goes in terms of upfront, Well,

893
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: you don't gotta argue me. You gotta argue with Colin Cowherd,

894
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: who is who has decided to be USC's hypeman. The

895
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: most perfect practice that's ever been seen. Oh my god,

896
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: I love it. He had another tweet yesterday that was like, oh,

897
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: I guess this is just gonna be like I was like, buddy,

898
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: your daughter went to a s U throw us a

899
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: bone over you, like she got a degree and you're

900
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: out here capin for University of Southern California. I get it, though. Um,

901
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: I like a lot of what they have, and I

902
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: think offensively, your offensive line talent only matters insofar as

903
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: is it going against high level defensive line talent. And

904
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is there's probably only three

905
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: four pack twelve teams that have defensive lines that are

906
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: more talented than U s c s supposedly untalented offensive line.

907
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: The truth is their offensive line is just mediocre. So

908
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: as long as they have a mobile quarterback in Kayleb

909
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: Williams and a bunch of receivers who were able to

910
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: do stuff after the catch. Um, and considering they're gonna

911
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: bring the running back game into it in some way,

912
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: I think that will make up for a lot of

913
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: what they're going through. I think the real issue for

914
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: USC is going to be on on defense, which I

915
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: think is something that that was brought up by our

916
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: our our friends, UM, Rob Brown and Bryant Conger, you know,

917
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: on on their show that that you know, USC might

918
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: be fine offensively, but like it would be totally reasonable

919
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: to expect them to give up over thirty points a

920
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: game this year. I don't. I'm not as bummed out

921
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: about the their offensive line prospects as a lot of

922
00:55:53,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: other people, namely you. I think that they will be okay. Yeah,

923
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: but like that that's You're not going to compete for

924
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: a championship with an okay offensive line. Kirk correct, oh

925
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: and Lincoln Riley also was just penned a he just

926
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: pinned a thing for um. What the heck did he

927
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: do for um? The Players Tribune about why he left. Oh,

928
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Will oh Man, I would certainly do

929
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: it differently if I could do it again. They're not

930
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna want to hear that. They just want to hate him. Yeah,

931
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: what did he do wrong? So? I don't think he

932
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: did anything wrong. I don't think he did anything wrong either.

933
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: He made the best decision for him and his family,

934
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. I'll read you a

935
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: couple of things from this. So, in one of the

936
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: most difficult moments of my life and career, I stood

937
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: in front of our Oklahoma team to let them know

938
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: I was leaving. I saw the immedi it consequence of

939
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: my decision on the faces of the players. Riley said

940
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: he hated the timing because the loss only hours earlier,

941
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: but also cited the recent rule changes in college football

942
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: impacting the recruiting cycle and said it only made a

943
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: difficult transition even tougher. Uh And he said he was

944
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: filled with guilt and some guilt and sadness realizing that

945
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: Norman was no longer home. I don't have an issue

946
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: with this because that this comes down to like recruiting,

947
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: when somebody's got five of top schools and they have

948
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: to choose one, and you think it should be the

949
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: best moment of their life, right, But a lot of

950
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: these kids are like sad and whistful because they said

951
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: no to four life changing opportunities. It wasn't one good

952
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: option versus four bad options. It was five incredible life

953
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: changing opportunities of which they had to pick one. And

954
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: so you automatically enter a sliding door's reality in which

955
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: there are four paths you didn't take that you can

956
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: wonder what if about? So to me, it just sounds

957
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: like he's talking like a like a recruit. But I

958
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: don't think Oklahoma fans want to hear any of this.

959
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I think they just want to believe he's Darth Vader. Yeah,

960
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: oh oh oh yeah, um the oh. J T. Daniels,

961
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: former USC quarterback, takes his talents to West Virginia. This

962
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: was I thought a very interesting move. He goes to

963
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: the Big twelve. He was at USC, uh lost his

964
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: job after he got injured. Never really got a chance

965
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: to get on the field really at Georgia. Injury was

966
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: healing up slowly and then they were winning, so they

967
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't take steps and bend it out. Who's not a

968
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: top tier quarterback at all? And now he's off to

969
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: West Virginia. He has to be graduated college already. Um

970
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: what what was your thought about this? Because I was

971
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: hoping he was gonna go to Oregon State. I was

972
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: also hoping that he was gonna go to Oregon State. UM.

973
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: I think a su tried to kick the tires on

974
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: the on that situation as well. I want Oregon States

975
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: so badly to have a capable quarterback because I want

976
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: to know what Jonathan Smith's system looks like when the talent.

977
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same you talked about with Kyle Whittingham, right, Like,

978
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: what would he do if he had the best available players?

979
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: And they've got some decent options and returning experience, but

980
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: I think J. T. Daniels would have been clear upgrade

981
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: over anything they had there. Uh. It shocked me because

982
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: he went back to Graham Harrold, who is the offensive

983
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: coordinator at West Virginia and was USC's offensive coordinator, but

984
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: he never played for he did he did, yeah, and

985
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: he got he got hurt, and then Slovis took over

986
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: and then was supposed to be the savior and now

987
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: he's in this weird situation where he's out at West Virginia.

988
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's expecting to start. They already have Nico

989
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: Marciol who is literally the same quarterback. They're the same person.

990
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: They're like almost identical playing styles, right, So they have

991
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: Nico Markel incoming freshmen, and then they decide, you know,

992
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: and I I'm never a fan of this, but we've

993
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: had this debate a million times, and what board people

994
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: with it? Again? You you recruit over a recruit that

995
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: you brought in, which I'm assuming you know there'll be

996
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 1: some chemistry issues there but we'll see how that plays out.

997
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: But now one of the best rivalries in all of

998
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: sports is West Virginia Pittsburgh. And now the West Virginia

999
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh rivalry is going to be quarterbacked by Keetan Slovas

1000
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: and j T. Daniels. That's so weird, dude, so very weird.

1001
01:00:52,800 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: And And when USC went head to head with a

1002
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: s U, when Keithan Slovis was a freshman, Jaden Daniels

1003
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: didn't get to play, Joey Yelling started and through four touchdowns,

1004
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: and now Joey Yelling is Keetan slobs is backup Pittsburgh.

1005
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: It's the quarterback movement is just it's it's really mind blowing.

1006
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would have loved to have j T.

1007
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: Daniels back out on the West Coast. I understand he

1008
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: made the best decision for him, but I don't know.

1009
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: Would you do you think that that he views that

1010
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: as a strength, being able to go into an offense

1011
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: that he already knows, Yes, yes, yeah, because that makes

1012
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: it like for for quarterbacks, right, it takes you longer

1013
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: than one season to get comfortable in an offense, like

1014
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: your your mastery of the offense usually happens in season two,

1015
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: So I think that he was looking at that he

1016
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: was like, I need to fast track this process. It'll

1017
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: be easier for me to get on the field in

1018
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: something that I know already. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna be

1019
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: measuring his performance against uh, whatever Oregon State does this

1020
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: year though, and wondering what if yep, yep, exactly. Um,

1021
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: all right, the lasting up Arizona State's quarterback situation because

1022
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: j T Daniels left, He left him in the in

1023
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour and mind you Jaden Jade Daniels, and

1024
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: then you're actually gonna have a lot of kids end

1025
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: up in the portal before May one. You're gonna have

1026
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because if you're not in by May one, then

1027
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: you can't then you aren't immediately eligible. So we're gonna

1028
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: see a big uptick in the next you know week

1029
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: plus of kids uh you know, hopping into portal. So

1030
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: uh so now the question is who's gonna be their

1031
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: quarterback for next year. Every source indicates that Paul Tyson

1032
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: that came over from Alabama, UM is not ready. He's

1033
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: not shown that he's ready. Okay, so that leaves it

1034
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: to your Boyfinn Collins, who you know really well. I

1035
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: hope he wins it. Dalen McLamore, who has battled through

1036
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: some injuries, UM out of California, who who looked decent

1037
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: in their spring games. And Trent board Gay, last year's

1038
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: back up, who I know and I know his family

1039
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: really well. And I'm at this point it's no secret

1040
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm openly rooting for him to get an opportunity to

1041
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: see what he can do because it makes for a

1042
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: really cool story. So and I'm and I'm rooting for

1043
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: Fan Collins. So who do you? But uh so, so

1044
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: do you want to make a gentleman's wager on on

1045
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: on who will win? Uh? Well, we're probably both gonna

1046
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: be wrong because as all indications are. Um well, first

1047
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: of all, Trey Anderson announced his departure today. He's been

1048
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: the mary quarterbacks coach through all the weird coaching transition

1049
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 1: scandal that Arizona States had for the last couple of years.

1050
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: So he announced today that he's leaving, which leaves the

1051
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: entire offense in the hands of Brian Billick as a

1052
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: consultant and Glenn Thomas, the um former o C of

1053
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: UNLV and so Herm Edwards has kind of alluded a

1054
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: few times in comments to the idea that maybe next

1055
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: year's starting quarterback is not on the roster yet, And

1056
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: I want to know from you because that hits my

1057
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: ear really weird, like, because what you're saying is we

1058
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: want quarterbacks to come to Arizona State because number one,

1059
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: the opportunity that they'll have to play, but number two,

1060
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: because we'll put them in situations to excel A k A.

1061
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: We will develop you, right, So come to a s

1062
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: U because we'll develop you. We just couldn't develop any

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Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks on our SUSTERM, so don't don't. But

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Speaker 1: I'm so I'm saying that, like if you're a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and you're looking around for that means that they either

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Speaker 1: didn't recruit well or didn't develop them well, right, right,

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Speaker 1: and so are you, because to me it would hit

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Speaker 1: my ear weird, like because there after the the guy

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Speaker 1: who um uh is transferring out of Florida who started

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Speaker 1: for them the last two years, a s U is

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Speaker 1: pursuing him. And one of the things that you have

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Speaker 1: to take into account is you're saying, like, hey, nobody

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Speaker 1: here is really showing us that that that they're going

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Speaker 1: to take the job. You know, come throw your hat

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Speaker 1: in the ring, um withink. Arizona State would be a

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Speaker 1: great place for you. But you also have to receive

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Speaker 1: that as a recruit and saying, wait a minute, you

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Speaker 1: couldn't develop a quarterback to the point where you're still

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Speaker 1: looking at quarterbacks and you want me to believe that

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Speaker 1: I'll be the first one that you'll be able to develop.

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Speaker 1: It's almost you have to almost entirely play on somebody's

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Speaker 1: ego to the point where they completely dismissed the logic

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Speaker 1: of the fact that you haven't developed any quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: that Jade Daniels regressed and that he wanted out of town,

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Speaker 1: and that your quarterback, your facto quarterback coach just left

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Speaker 1: the team. Like, I just don't I do not see

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Speaker 1: what the appeal is at this point of transferring into

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Speaker 1: Arizona State to play quarterback outside of just supreme confidence

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Speaker 1: in that, like how be different? Listen? You cannot just

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Speaker 1: be different? Like like the past is the greatest predictor

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Speaker 1: of future success or failures. Um, you guys, that is

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Speaker 1: the pac twelve Apostles has been a minute, but we

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Speaker 1: are back. Like cook cracked people uh oh, make sure

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