1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Let's disappear, change our names, and live the life we 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: really want to live. It's one more thing. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: I'm strong and who heavy. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: I saw about a bumper sticker once and it hit 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: me like a ton of bricks, and uh, I've thought 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: about it many times. Why that is that appealing to 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: everyone when they see that, or only some of us? 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: I would guess it's pretty universal, the at least the 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: impulse briefly before you think about it much to just 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: chuck it all and start over and live the life 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: you really want to live. It would take a while 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: to get to that and figure out what that is. 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: By the way, well yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: was going to say. Do you know what that is? 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: Congratulations if so. Well, so this happens to me like 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: practically every vacation where I'm on vacation and I get 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: away from the daily grind and I and then I 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: start to think at some point like I'm doing it 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: all wrong. I've messed up my wife. I mean, I'm 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: just why am I living my life the way it is? 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I should be completely this should I was driving through 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: this tiny little town in Iowa. We stopped to get gas, 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: and then we were driving through this little town, middle 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: of nowhere, gravel roads, probably a population of eight hundred 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: people or whatever. There's little houses and people sitting on 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: the porch, and I thought, why am I not them? 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Why am I not doing that? I could do that, but. 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: Porch sitting is a time honored pastime. 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Could I actually or not? I don't know. Could I actually? 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: How long? I texted a friend that and they said, 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: I could see you doing that for about six minutes. Wow. 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: And anyway, so it's kind of funny that it came 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: around to I'm watching this interview Bill Maher's interviewing the 34 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: movie director Woody Allen and. 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: Who did not molest any children, by the way, No, 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: I believe that firmly, firmly. He is a brilliant movie director, 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: although he doesn't consider it himself brilliant. And one of 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: the points was Bill Maher saying, you claim you have 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 2: like no lofty thoughts in your movies and what he 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: Allan said, That's true. I don't what I Allan said. 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Everybody thinks I'm an intellectual. 42 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think about the meaning of life 43 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: or trying to like face the difficulties of existence or whatever. 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: He said, I make movies and then I mostly watch 45 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: sports and old TV shows. He said, that's all, that's 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: what I do in my life, and and anyway, so 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: it got off onto this quote which I thought was 48 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: really interesting that Bill Maher brought up from Eugene O'Neill, 49 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: who is a playwright from a gazillion years ago. He 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: did the Iceman Come With in a number of other 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: ones long Day Journey in Tonight. That's Eugene O'Neil. It 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. His quote is a life with illusions is 53 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: unparta unpardonable, in other words, lying to yourself about various things, 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: but a life without illusions is unbearable. Yeah, and uh, 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: and Bill Martin Woody Allen's sort of getting to the 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: nune of that that that is the most basic core 57 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: of human existence. That those two things are true. And 58 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: you know it's a matter of degrees, but we all 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: lie to ourselves to a certain extent because you couldn't 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: handle it if you didn't you just couldn't handle it. 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: If you, I mean, if you, if you didn't like 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: ignore certain parts of your past or present or future, 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: or or or fully acknowledge the dreariness of some things. 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: You just couldn't do it, you couldn't function. 65 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: So you have to live a life of of lies 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. Do you believe that or not? Yeah, 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I believe it. 68 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: I might phrase it a little differently, of course, have 69 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: written no place, I don't. 70 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: It's the human condition. It's got nothing to do with 71 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: being a playwright. It's it is definitely the human condition. 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: And I also I would say, I would say there 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: are things that are better left out of focus because 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: it wouldn't do you any good to get the clear, 75 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: hard focused reality of them. You're just as well off 76 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, putting a little uh vaseline on 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: the lens like they used to in the old timey 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: movies to make the not's a great looking actress look 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: all dreamy. 80 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. Example. 81 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: A good example is people thinking they're more attractive than 82 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: they are. They lie to themselves to thinking they're more attractive. Yeah, 83 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: well sure, yeah, And I mean unless you're like a 84 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: nutjob narcissist like the people on American Idol back in 85 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: the day, who would convinced they were the greatest singer 86 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: on earth. And they're either just nuts or dopes or whatever. 87 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: You're better off being a little more confident than you 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: probably deserve to be. 89 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, reason, So that's part of it. On how 90 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: you need the illusions just to get through the day, 91 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: especially depending on how your life's going at various times. 92 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I think everybody has periods of their life where it 93 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: ain't going that great. If you just fully embraced that 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: without illusions, it would be pretty tough. Probably. There's also 95 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that you do subconsciously that none of us 96 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: understand because we change memories. This is known. We change 97 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: memories throughout the years to better fit our narrative, and 98 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about that. That seems to 99 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: be just the human condition too. So part of the 100 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: reason you're able to go through life with these illusions 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: is you don't know the truth, right And you mean, 102 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: I had this happen once over the weekend, over something banal, 103 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: not the least bit interesting worth re telling. But like 104 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: the nuclear family was altogether me, both my brothers, my 105 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: mom and dad, the five of us, and like we 106 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: all have different versions of a couple of different things 107 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 1: that happened. We all remember them differently, even in ways 108 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that aren't important. But so, what is that I don't 109 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: even know, so we don't even really know our own histories. 110 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's always been really disturbing to me. 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: I've gotten used to the idea and just accepted it 112 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: because what else am I gonna do? 113 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 114 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like every time you remember something, you're 115 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: remembering your last memory of it. It's like playing a 116 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: game of telephone with yourself, and you adjust it to 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: fit your narrative, your life narrative, right right, which is horrifying. 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: I remember, what was it, nineteen eighty I was having 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: sex with Farah Faucet. She was on top, and she said, 120 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: you know, Joe, we remember things to make ourselves happy. 121 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: So I want you to remember this in a way 122 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: that makes you happy. And I still do, still do. 123 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: A life with a energetic, very very generous, A life 124 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: with illusions is unpardonable. Well, a life without illusions is unbearable. Yeah, 125 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: I guess you just have to decide how many boy 126 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: I can think of some examples. 127 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say them on the air. 128 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: I know somebody who considers themselves a good parent who 129 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: is most definitely not, but they have crafted a narrative 130 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: in their life that works for them, I guess that 131 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: can't be good. I mean, they're just completely out of 132 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: touch with reality, and it's fairly obvious. But that can't 133 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: be good. To what extent do we do that with? 134 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a good son, I'm a good parent, 135 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm a good worker, I'm a good dancer. I don't 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: know if that's one. Probably not important, but you know 137 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: we craft all the life without illusions is unbearable. 138 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? Man, this is a lot, a lot to contemplate. 139 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and given the fact also that Woody Allen, one 140 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: of the great movie makers of all times, doesn't ever 141 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: think about that sort of stuff at all. I just 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: make movies and I watch lots of sports and old 143 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: TV reruns. That's funny. It's like Larry David says on 144 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: his tombstone it should say he watched a lot of sports. 145 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. Do you believe Woody Allen? 146 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: Yes? About that? Yes? 147 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: I do you think he's completely well? He could be 148 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: completely sincere and also be wrong. Yeah, I'm shocked by that. Huh. 149 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I also think, as you're always saying, you don't have 150 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: a whole lot of control over your personality. I don't 151 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: know what percentage you do. But it ain't a ton right. 152 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: It's one of those things that are probably better off 153 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: in soft focus mostly, I mean, otherwise I don't know. 154 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: Self contemplation constantly, Oh, we'll make you insane. 155 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Oh and what are you getting out of it? At 156 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: some point? 157 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: Just get stuff done. It's good now. And again, obviously, 158 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: as I've said more than once, I've been humbled, seriously 159 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: humbled a handful of times in my life, and it's 160 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: been a good thing each time in retrospect, rather painful 161 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: at the time, you know. So you can't just cruise 162 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: through life completely clueless, although I know a there are 163 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: number of people who do well. 164 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Here's I can't believe I'm going to interject this into 165 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: the conversation. No, but I'm the best example I can 166 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: think of it. Does Trump ever worry about any of that? 167 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: Does he ever that might have been a little too far? 168 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: Does he ever think that? Or does he just plow 169 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: forward and have a pretty happy life because of it? 170 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: I think that second one mostly, I think so too, 171 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: And I've known a few people like that. They just 172 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: seem to like, ye know, I did kind of break 173 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: some things in that china shop as a bowl but 174 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: whatever life goes on. 175 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, is too too much to think about. 176 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: I've already contemplated having visited a foreign land and looked 177 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: at other people in their lives and their cultures and 178 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: their politics and their attitudes. And then you know, the 179 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: cultures that are my grading invading the Western world. Yeah, 180 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: I've already got a head full of this stuff. I'm 181 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: afraid there's no room at the end. No more heavy thoughts. 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: Can't take it. I got an opening next Wednesday. 183 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it.