1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Zone Media. Hi, I'm Edzetron, and this is your weekly 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: better offline monologue. Precarious. That's the nature of the GENERATIVAI industry, 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: and especially open ai. A company that has never made 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: a profit, has no pathway to profitability and is contingent 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: upon other companies spending tens of billions of dollars on 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: new infrastructure to power their models in the future. Throughout 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: countless podcasts and newsletters, I've argued that all of these 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: factors mean the open AI and by extension, the greater 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: GENERATIVEAI industry, will eventually collapse. Open ai is just one 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: of a long line of dominoes, and it really only 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: takes one to four before the entire thing collapses. But 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: by comparison, I haven't really paid nearly as much of 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: the attention as I should have to the unusual structure 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: of open ai, which I believe will also contribute to 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: its downfall. Open ai was initially started as a nonprofit 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: intended to further the safe development of artificial intelligence, if 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: you believe them, Over time it morphed into an entirely 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: different beast, becoming the most valuable startup in history, and 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the startup that has now raised the most capital in 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: history sort of, but for legal reasons, it couldn't quite 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: walk away from its nonprofit origins, and so we're now 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: left with this strange hybrid that consists of a nonprofit 23 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: that owns much of open AI's intellectual property and assets, 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: and a for profit business sort of tacked on awkwardly 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: at the side. In order to satiate its infinite thirst 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: for capital, open Ai must radically restructure the entire organization, 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: moving valuable assets and intellectual property from the nonprofit to 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: the for profit entity. Their ability to raise money is 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: entirely contingent upon this, as generally investors don't plow tens 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 1: of billions of dollars into philanthropic ventures where they will 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: never see a return. Indeed, many of open AI's previous 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: funding rounds have had caveats that would radically alter the 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: terms of their deal if open ai fails to convert 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: into a for profit business. Last October, they raised six 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: point six billion dollars from a bevy of investors, but 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: the deal included a covenant of sorts that should they 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: fail to convert into a full profit entity in two years. 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: Of October twenty twenty six, the investment would convert into 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: a loan. Open Ai would in effect have to return 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: the capital to investors and potentially pay a punishing interest rate. Similarly, 41 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: open AI's latest forty billion dollar with soft Bank is 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: structured in a way where ten billion of the dollars 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: are contingent on open ai becoming a for profit business. 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to make is that for open Ai, 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: this current structure represents an existential threat. In many ways. 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: It is more dire than any shortage of compute capacity 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: or the fact that they spend billions of dollars more 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: than they'll ever make. So they just change structure, right, 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: what's the big deal? Well, this is a complex and 50 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: bureaucratic procedure that typically only happens in sectors like healthcare, 51 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: where hospitals are bought out by larger for profit companies. 52 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I struggle to think of any similar examples in tech, 53 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: and even if those examples exist, they don't involve entities 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: of the size in value of open Ai or indeed, 55 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: the prominence. The transformation isn't something that Sam Mortman can 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: do unilaterally either. In essence, he needs that the consent 57 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: of regulators and lawmakers in the State of California. We've 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: already seen open aiy's moves be challenged but the likes 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: of Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, although these efforts did 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: not or have yet to amount to much, though there 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: is an upcoming trial with Elon mask over this. Part 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: of the complexity comes from the very nature of what 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: it means to be a nonprofit. Nonprofits enjoy certain tax benefits, 64 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: both from their exemption from taxation to the benefits that 65 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: come when a person makes a charitable donation to a 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: non profit. If you give money to the Red Cross 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: or a church or whatever, you can write that off 68 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: against your taxes. As a result, open ai is constrained 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: by what it can do with the assets that are 70 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: held within the nonprofit. Those assets are supposed to be 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: used for the benefit of society, it to serve some 72 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of charitable purpose. Open AI can't just transfer them 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: to a for profit entity. Doesn't work like that, nor 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: should it, even though they're very much trying to make it. 75 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Linked to this in the episode Notes, but a recent 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: petition against open AI's restructuring alleges that open ai has 77 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: already effectively broken the rules against how nonprofits should operate 78 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: and manage their assets, but the first violation coming in 79 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, right at the start of open AI's metamorphosis 80 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: and around the time when it obtained its first billion 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: dollars worth of investment from Microsoft. Addressed to the Attorney 82 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: General of California and signed by innumerable figures in California 83 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: and national philanthropy, it articulates a compelling case that open 84 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: ai has already broken the law in several meaningful ways 85 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: and urges the state to take action to prevent a 86 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: further dilution of the open ai charitable mission. It describes 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: these violations as and I quote, factually complex but legally simple. 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: It claims that the twenty nineteen restructuring which created the 89 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: for profit element involved the wrongful transfer of assets from 90 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: the nonprofit. This is bad in and of itself, but 91 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: as time dragged on the influence and relevance of the 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: nonprofit wing over the for profit entity, the effectively ended. 93 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: It gives the example of the November twenty twenty three coups, 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: when Sam Altman was fired from the company over alleged 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: dishonesty about the safety processes surrounding model development, and also 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of other stuff like not telling the board 97 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: that chat GPT was coming out anyway. This firing, the 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: letter states, came at the behest of the nonprofit directors. 99 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: As we all know. It didn't take sam Altman long 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: to return to the helm of open ai and the 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: same role that he'd left. Many of the board members 102 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: that had approved distermination left, and though they signed a letter, 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: it was very much a they have me my family 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or I should say they have my 105 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: stock units, and they were replaced by those who are 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: more aligned for the for profit goals of open Ai. 107 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: The petition also makes the case that open ai is 108 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: renunciation of its commitment to open source research within its 109 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: purpose clause, the thing that defines what a nonprofit is 110 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: for also represented in illegal diversion of assets. Open source 111 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: software benefits whoever uses it, whereas proprietary software, even if 112 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: it's provided for free, there's comparatively fewer benefits to society. 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: You can't change your modify or improve a program, and 114 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: you're at the best. You're really at whatever the vendor 115 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: wants to do as far as accessing or using the 116 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: platform or program or whatever it might do. In practice, 117 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: there's little open about open ai. They share little source 118 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: code and don't even provide specifics about the training data 119 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: they use. They're less concerned with public research and now 120 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: shrouds their development in the same cloak of secrecy that 121 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: you would expect from basically any other tech company. Now 122 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: they're claiming they're going to release an open weighted model, 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: but it's bullshit. I'm sorry, that's not enough. Now, the 124 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: letter does make some specific demands. It wants the AG 125 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: to investigate what assets were siphoned off from the nonprofit, 126 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: block any conversion until the investigation is completed, and make 127 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: sure that all charitable assets are returned to the nonprofit, 128 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: and indeed to create a truly independent entity separate from 129 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: Sam Morltman and the business interests of open ai, to 130 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: act as a steward for these assets. If this petition 131 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: succeeded in delaying the conversion, open AI's future becomes much 132 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: more uncertain and perhaps may not even be possible. It'll 133 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: make it harder to raise new funds that would only 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: increase their cash burners. Open ai will now be to 135 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: start making repayments and investments that were automatically converted into loans. 136 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: Will it succeed, Maybe First, this petition doesn't come from 137 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: arrival with an extra grind against Sam Altman. Like Elon Musk, 138 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the Black Freedom Fund, the Asian Law Caucus in the 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: California Teamster's Public Affairs COUNTSL aren't exactly the natural adversaries 140 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of Vaultman, unless they, of course, secretly hate people who 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: wear Patagolia vests, in which case I retract the entire 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: art sentence and also add that I heartily congratulate them 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and agree with them. Moreover, this petition isn't framed about 144 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: tech or AI or AI safety, but rather something far 145 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: more simple. It's about what a nonprofit is and how 146 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: it should be run. And if, as the letters authors argue, 147 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: open AI should be allowed to restructure without being challenged 148 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: or scrutinized, it will set a dangerous precedent that would 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: make it harder to protect the charitable mission of nonprofits 150 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: and make them easier for them to be plundered. Like 151 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I'd argue open AI has, it's a strong case. While 152 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell if the Attorney General will take 153 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: it on, it could lay the groundwork for open AI's demise, 154 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: and I'm sure some of you would love them well. No, 155 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: I might too.