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Speaker 1: Gooday, sweet world, It's Saturday, July sixth, twenty nineteen. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning into the Free Agents podcast. I'm Jay Skeitz

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Speaker 1: here in studio and alongside me making the magic happen.

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Speaker 1: It's JD. Hello, What it do? JD?

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Speaker 2: What a do?

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Speaker 1: Baby?

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Speaker 2: What it do?

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Speaker 1: Jdah? Just the two of us here, It's a two

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Speaker 1: man in studio at least emergency podcast. Kawhi Leonards free

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Speaker 1: agency ended in an absolute stunner, very very early this

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Speaker 1: morning here on Saturday July sixth, the twenty nineteen finals MVP.

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Speaker 1: He signed with the Los Angeles Clippers, and in the

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Speaker 1: process he brought ok c's Paul George with him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Thunder will receive Danilo Gallinari, Shay Gildas, Alexander shout

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Speaker 1: out to Canada, and multiple draft picks from the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: four unprotected firsts plus an additional first rounder and two

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Speaker 1: Pickswamps and I guess this wasn't their choice, but PG

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Speaker 1: reportedly requested a trade once Kawhi tried to convince him, hey,

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Speaker 1: we should go to the LA Clippers again. An absolute

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Speaker 1: shocker here, a bombshell. Just JD and I here in

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Speaker 1: the studio but we're gonna see if we can get

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Speaker 1: TK Trey Kirby and Lee Ellis on the phone throughout

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Speaker 1: this podcast. We'll start with Leeley. I think he's somewhere

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Speaker 1: in Spain. Lee, can you hear me? Are you there?

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Speaker 1: Where are you? How's it going?

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Speaker 2: Ollove migos coma stop?

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Speaker 1: Where are you? First?

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Speaker 3: Up? I'm in northern Spain. I just I'm in a

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Speaker 3: place called Oviedo. I just drove up today from Madrid,

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Speaker 3: so it's a beautiful day. It's bright and sunny, having

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Speaker 3: a great time. But I got the Slack messages on

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Speaker 3: the way. On the drive up, Roxanna was in the

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Speaker 3: passenger seat. She was navigating.

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Speaker 4: She said, I think the boys want to talk to

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Speaker 4: you about the trade.

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Speaker 3: And I said, all right, well, listen, we're halfway through this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not stopping and pulling over on this on the

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Speaker 3: river with the kids in the back pushing through.

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Speaker 2: I'll be able to do it, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate you finding some time there. Yeah, while

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Speaker 1: you're up in northern Spain. That sounds all right. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's been crazier trying to keep track of

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Speaker 1: where Kawai was over the last week or so or

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Speaker 1: where you've been feels like you've been a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But let's let let's get your reaction though, Let's get

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Speaker 1: jump right to it. What's your reaction? How how did

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Speaker 1: you find this out? Because yeah, I guess you had

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Speaker 1: the little time difference there. I mean, I was waking

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Speaker 1: up to this news and being told by Nora, who's

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Speaker 1: lying beside me, at seven in the morning, Hey, I

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Speaker 1: think Kawhi is going to the Clippers. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right to her, just like the first thing she said

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Speaker 1: to me in the morning. I said, yeah, right, she

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Speaker 1: goes I think Paul George is heading with him to

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Speaker 1: the Clippers. I said, quote, you're wrong, And then I

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Speaker 1: grabbed my phone and was like, oh my god, But

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Speaker 1: how did you find out? Again, being a little bit

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Speaker 1: later in the day, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, hey, that's the first Evan Nora bomb I

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Speaker 3: think we've ever Yeah, it really was a double bumb

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Speaker 3: there for nor. Yeah, so it was around uh, I

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Speaker 3: guess it was around eight o'clock this morning local time.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just got up and I just sort

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Speaker 3: of scowed the the tweets because I was expecting some

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Speaker 3: news and the first the first news I saw was

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Speaker 3: the earthquake out at Summer League, and you know, it

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Speaker 3: was legit and people were saying, you know, things were

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Speaker 3: it was a Mara Baptist. I think it was saying

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Speaker 3: there's been two earthquakes now and there it was the

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Speaker 3: Watch News and it was like and then it was like,

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Speaker 3: he's going to the Clippers. And that was when I

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Speaker 3: had to click on the Woes profile to make sure

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Speaker 3: it wasn't fake, because I honestly thought that he wasn't

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Speaker 3: going to the Clippers. I thought, and I said on

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Speaker 3: thought he was staying in Toronto. When they won the championship,

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Speaker 3: then I thought the Lakers had made a pretty strong

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Speaker 3: fact that the Clippers have been basically stalking him for

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Speaker 3: this is the franchise that we know they always tend

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Speaker 3: to miss out on these things, but clearly in this instance,

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Speaker 3: they did whatever it took to get Kawhi. They clearly

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Speaker 3: for him, and then they went out and got Paul

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Speaker 3: George and they you know, look, they mortgaged the future.

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Speaker 3: But I think as we've seen, you know, teams are

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Speaker 3: have to look at what happened with Kawhi and with

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Speaker 4: They won the championship by taking a huge risk and

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Speaker 4: it was worth it. You know, it was worth it.

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Speaker 3: Even though Kawhi's gone and Danny Green's gone, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: The Rafters are champions and that's why you go for

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Speaker 3: these big, big swings. And that's what the Clips have done.

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, great for them. Credit to them,

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Speaker 3: Credit to Steve Baumer for going in all in there.

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Speaker 3: And obviously Jerry West, I think that's probably the big

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Speaker 3: key here that whatever their approach was, whatever their pitch was,

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Speaker 3: I think Jerry West had a lot to do with that,

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Speaker 3: because he has just an incredible track record of having

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. I mean he now has helped get

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Speaker 1: Shack to the Lakers, way back when Katie to the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: and now Kauai and Paul George to the Clippers. Talking

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Speaker 1: the reason the Qui decision took so long was this

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Speaker 1: and to Lawrence Frank and saying, hey, Clippers, this is

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Speaker 1: what I want. Get me another star, get me Paul George,

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Speaker 1: and I'm yours. And then this is why it took

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Speaker 1: a little longer than maybe expected, and that they were like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: who can we get? You know, there was there's Bradley

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Speaker 1: but those guys were untradable and then they finally landed

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Speaker 1: on Paul George. Is that is that maybe why this

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Speaker 1: maybe just Kawhi being Kawi in that camp keeping everything

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Speaker 3: Well, according to woj, I think That's what he was

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Speaker 3: alluding to that basically the Clippers needed that time to

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Speaker 3: And apparently this didn't really happen until you know, Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 3: realized like, Okay, there's no point in me hanging on

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Speaker 3: here because the two really the Thunder clearly aren't contenders

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Speaker 3: right now with the team they have, There's no question

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Speaker 3: I think it ends up being about five unprotected first

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Speaker 3: if you're the Thunder, I mean, it's a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sad day. But you know what, it's actually not

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Speaker 3: that sad because, as I say, the last couple of

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Speaker 3: years first round exits, things clearly weren't they weren't getting

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Speaker 3: closer to a championship. You may as well cash in

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Speaker 3: while you can on Paul George, and now the question

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Speaker 3: really becomes, what does what happens with Russell Westbrook because

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Speaker 3: I can't see him. I can't see him requesting a trade.

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Speaker 3: I think he's too he doesn't want to have that

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Speaker 4: But clearly, if you're Russell.

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Speaker 3: Westbrook, he doesn't want to be a part of a

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Speaker 3: And now it's just a matter of, I think, whichever

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Speaker 3: team he ends up at. But you know, when you

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Speaker 3: look at the Clippers, you know, when this process holds,

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Speaker 3: this whole process Stuart did, they seem to be one

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Speaker 4: But it just it just sort of felt that.

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Speaker 2: Once the Lakers made a play, maybe that.

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Speaker 3: Would sort of change things. But in the end, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Clippers did whatever it took, and you know, if

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Speaker 3: it works and they win a championship, but even if

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Speaker 3: they only win one championship, then then it's worth it.

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Speaker 3: But if things go south, then they're they're in for

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Speaker 3: a tough few years after this little experiment.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, the Lakers and

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Speaker 1: the Clippers now have they've completely mortgaged their futures to

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Speaker 1: land these superstars in a d and then now in

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Speaker 1: Paul George to team up with Kawhi, and that is

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Speaker 1: one way. I mean, you're right, it's a lot of picks.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of unprotected picks. There's pick swaps in

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Speaker 1: the future, but it's not we have to remember it's

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Speaker 1: really not just for Paul George. It really is for Kawhi,

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Speaker 3: I think, oh yes, definitely, definitely, Again and again it

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Speaker 3: wor was was sort of saying that that Kawhi may

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Speaker 4: So that's that's why, for sure.

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Speaker 3: The Clippers, you know, and I bet you Sam Presty,

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Speaker 3: you know he you know again in that article, he's

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Speaker 3: saying how they were trying to get the Raptors involved

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Speaker 3: And that's that's you know, I think that's the right

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Speaker 3: move as well, because that combination hasn't proved successful, and

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Speaker 3: so I think Sam Presty was probably telling the Clippers, like, listen,

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Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna we're gonna deal him there.

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Speaker 3: We're going to trade him there.

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Speaker 2: You know, so give us all those picks.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny because I know you're not

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Speaker 1: But I guess they have a bunch of the they

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of the heats picks, that's why. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they're not their picks. Yeah, that's right, because it's

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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty one Miami unprotected and a twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: to the Clippers. You know it's that type.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's well, and you know a couple of

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Speaker 1: wo wash bomb really truly, because I believe it was

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Speaker 1: Chris Hanes that first first got you know, the big news,

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Speaker 1: the IPG news. But the woljebomb to me was this

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Speaker 1: the big news that Sam Presta, you said it pursued

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Speaker 3: Lebron and Anthony Davis out in LA it's unproven until

432
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Speaker 3: you see what happens on the court, and we know

433
00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,960
Speaker 3: history has told us, you know that it just doesn't

434
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,120
Speaker 3: always come together as.

435
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,199
Speaker 4: Well as it did for the Raptors.

436
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 3: Now, they also got a little bit lucky at time,

437
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,679
Speaker 3: There's no question about that. But I always felt like

438
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Speaker 3: that if you have done that, and you've proven that

439
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,080
Speaker 3: you can win and you've had success, why would you

440
00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,399
Speaker 3: want to leave that situation. I didn't necessarily think he

441
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 3: was going to sign that five year super max with Toronto,

442
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,959
Speaker 3: but I certainly felt he was definitely going to come

443
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,919
Speaker 3: back for one more time and try to win it

444
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,040
Speaker 3: again because I think that the stigma of Toronto. It's

445
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,159
Speaker 3: not there anymore for players when you see someone like

446
00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 3: Kawhi who really did seemingly embrace the city and embrace

447
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,360
Speaker 3: the town and embrace just playing for Toronto. He had

448
00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,159
Speaker 3: pride representing the Canadian tea and so I was, you know,

449
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 3: I definitely was shocked this morning when I was like,

450
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 3: He's going to the Clippers, and then it was like, well,

451
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 3: paouor George is going as well, say okay, So there

452
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 3: was a little bit more to it. It wasn't like he

453
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 3: went on his own volition. He needed a little bit

454
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 3: more something else to go with him. Now again, if

455
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Speaker 3: he doesn't, if Paul George they can't get that trade done,

456
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Speaker 3: does he join the Lakers?

457
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Speaker 1: I think so? I think so. It really feels like

458
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 1: this guy just wanted to go to California. Like what

459
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,680
Speaker 1: we what we had. The one thing we knew about

460
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard and we don't know a lot and never

461
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,360
Speaker 1: have and probably never will, was that he did want

462
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Speaker 1: to go to California. That was we did know, and

463
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Speaker 1: we've known that for some time. It was whether he

464
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 1: could be convinced to stay up in Toronto or go

465
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Speaker 1: to another team. But in the I do think you're right.

466
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 1: I think you know this ultimatum so to speak to

467
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,520
Speaker 1: the Clippers of hey, get me another star, and if

468
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Speaker 1: it's Paul George, awesome, I'm there. And if you don't,

469
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Speaker 1: then I'm going to the Lakers because that's the other

470
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Speaker 1: California team and I'll go there.

471
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Speaker 3: But but you know, we will never know if that

472
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 3: was just to play as well, because you know, for me,

473
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,400
Speaker 3: you know the talk about how he said he wanted

474
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson to be in the room and stuff like that. Now,

475
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you make that request for Magic Johnson

476
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: to be there if you're not like Lebron last year,

477
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 3: where it's like listen, I'm coming, just sort of, you know,

478
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,560
Speaker 3: make it so sugarcoat it for me so that I

479
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 3: don't even have to think twice about this. The fact

480
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 3: that he then basically dunked on the Lakers by joining

481
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,239
Speaker 3: the Clippers, of all teams, almost tells me that he

482
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 3: was just playing the Lakers, you know, because I just

483
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 3: don't know why he would go to those lengths to

484
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Speaker 3: string the Lakers along and then ultimately join the Clippers. Clearly,

485
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Speaker 3: to me, from what we've seen this morning, he wanted

486
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Speaker 3: to go to the Clippers first, and the fact that

487
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,719
Speaker 3: the Lakers were there was maybe just to play and

488
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 3: just deploy, to say, you've got to get Paul George

489
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 3: and do whatever it takes, and otherwise I'm going to

490
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Speaker 3: the Lakers. And that's why maybe they coughed up those picks,

491
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 3: maybe the Clippers and we won't know. We're like, well,

492
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Speaker 3: we'll give up two first round picks and maybe Shy

493
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 3: and Landry Shama or someone. And he's like, well, if

494
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 3: you can't get it done, if you can't get Paul George,

495
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 3: then I'm not coming, you know what I mean. So

496
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 3: there's so much a play, But one thing is incredible

497
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: is that no one saw it coming like this.

498
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 4: I know there's a lot of.

499
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 3: Great reporters out there who've got all sorts of connections

500
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 3: and links and sources, but nobody saw this playing out.

501
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: And that is really what we heard all along about

502
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 3: what Kawai wanted in this process. He didn't want any leaks,

503
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 3: he didn't want any speculation, and there was plenty of speculation,

504
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 3: but it just wasn't accurate.

505
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: You know.

506
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: We saw that the Clippers were the team that was

507
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: kind of pushed to the side. In these last few

508
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: days when it was it appeared as though the Lakers

509
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 3: had gotten themselves into pole position over Toronto. But having

510
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 3: said that, Toronto, you know, we were hearing from Toronto

511
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 3: people that the Raptors have made a good impression, and

512
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 3: Drake was there, and you know, it was just a

513
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 3: matter of like, you know, the fact that he flew

514
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 3: back on the private Jed. I was like, that's a

515
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: pretty good indication, you know that he's these that he's

516
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 3: strongly considering going back to Toronto. But you know, proved

517
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 3: to be wrong, and you know that's the way it goes.

518
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's it's it's an incredible feeling

519
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: because you know, you know yourself as a Raptors fans,

520
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 3: how many times the Raptors have kind of missed out

521
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: or things have gone wrong, and it just feels like

522
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: it feels like groundhole day in a lot of ways

523
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 3: for these big decisions.

524
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Speaker 4: But today I was kind of like, it doesn't matter.

525
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: They won the championship. It was worth it.

526
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Speaker 3: You know, it's hard next year at the end of

527
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: next season, Milwaukee, the Lakers, the Clippers, you know, the Warriors,

528
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 3: the Rockets, one of those teams is going to win

529
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: the championship.

530
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 4: Probably, and the other teams are going to feel like it.

531
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Speaker 3: Was just another tough season for them, and that's the

532
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 3: way it goes. And so the fact that the Raptors

533
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: were able to break through and win, you know, that's

534
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: all worth it, and it was a you know, it

535
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 3: doesn't take away anything from the season for me, or

536
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: the celebration or the joy that everyone felt in those

537
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 3: last few weeks of the season, because winning a championship is.

538
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 4: Just just so damn hard.

539
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: And you look at what teams are doing, how desperate

540
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: they are to just put themselves in that position now,

541
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: and I think that justifies again what the Raptors did

542
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 3: last season.

543
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is a no brainer. If anyone tries

544
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: to tell you, as a Raptors fan or whatever they

545
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: call themselves, that, oh, it wasn't worth it in the

546
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 1: end because Kahi was only there for a year and

547
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 1: then he leaves, they're just straight up wrong. They won

548
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: the title, and they only win the title because Kawhi

549
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: Leonard is a part of that team. Case closed done.

550
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I was so hell bent on telling people, Hey,

551
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: just enjoy the ride right now through this crazy magical

552
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: Raptors run, especially into the playoffs and all these crazy

553
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: shots falling. Just enjoy this because it could be another

554
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: twenty four or twenty five years before the Raptors are

555
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: ever back, you know, fighting for a championship. And yeah,

556
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: and they got lucky with some injuries. No doubt, the

557
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Warriors probably would have won if everybody is playing. I

558
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: that's fair, but you know that that happens every year,

559
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: in every NBA season. So what were you gonna say though.

560
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: Just saying like, even if Kawhi comes back, I mean,

561
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: the Raptors, there's no of course, there's no guarantee they

562
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 3: went on again next season, you know. So you know

563
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 3: it's not like they just left a championship on the table.

564
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 3: They cashed in at the right time, made it all

565
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: worth it, and you know they've got now that for forever.

566
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: Here's the other part about this whole thing. Let's say

567
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Ery traded for Kawhi Leonard, he traded Demarta Rosen I

568
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: get it, a guy who's very likely going to get

569
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: his jersey retired by the Raptors down the line and

570
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: Yaka Perl and pick and they got Danny greenback. I mean,

571
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: they didn't mortgage their future. Like that's the other part here.

572
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: They didn't go, all right, well, here we are giving

573
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: up ten fifteen years. I mean, we're going to pray

574
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: that we win the title and then and then he's

575
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 1: very likely gone, and then well we're done for the

576
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: next decade. But that's not the case. I mean, it

577
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: was a calculated move. It was a ballsy move, but

578
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: not nearly as ballsys as I would think as some

579
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: of these other teams like the Lakers now in the

580
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: Clippers just really more like a complete other team is

581
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: going to have all your draft picks for for years

582
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: here exactly.

583
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 3: And you know when Masaugeri signed Demanda Rosen, he signed

584
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: him because it was like, listen, this is an asset

585
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: signing here as well, sign the guy. He deserves his contract.

586
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: I'll be able to move it in a couple of

587
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: years if I need to. And that's exactly what he did.

588
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right, Yakupertle good solid player, but certainly

589
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: worth all that train. And they gave off as a

590
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: first round pick there to the Spurs. But that's the

591
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: thing that the Clippers and the Lakers have basically gambled

592
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: on winning it in the next year or two, and

593
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 3: if they don't, then they're staring at possibly, you know,

594
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: who knows how long of just chaos.

595
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 4: Although I mean maybe they looked at the Brooklyn Nets

596
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: and thought.

597
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: Well, five years ago, the Brooklyn Nets were in this

598
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: situation where they had no picks, they had no players,

599
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: you know, they had no real enticing not not a

600
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: very enticing situation for free agents. But once they sort

601
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: of clean things up and Sean Marks came in, they

602
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: turned around and gotten themselves into the position now.

603
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 4: Where they're a very very good team.

604
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: So maybe maybe teams thought, you know what, even if

605
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: we give up all these picks, you can sometimes get you,

606
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, sort of wriggle your way out of it.

607
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: But again it's a huge risk. One of those teams

608
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: obviously is going to feel, you know, next season, you

609
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: know that they're going to come up short. But again,

610
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: if you're the Raptors, like I was saying earlier, I

611
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: just I think Messiya Zieri has got some sort of

612
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: plan already in place, and he's like, listen, Plan A is.

613
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: We keep Kawhi and we push forward a plan B.

614
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: Okay, we start the rebuild again and hopefully it won't

615
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: take us too long. But he you know, even I

616
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: think it was at his postseason press conference, he said,

617
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: you know, if Kawi leaves, well thank him and then

618
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: we'll move on. You know, there was no sign of

619
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: desperation in his voice, no sign of like, oh man,

620
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, we have to justify ourselves to anybody. He's like,

621
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: we've done it, We've won it, and you know that's

622
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: our strongest case that we have to make to pitch

623
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: to him to stay next season.

624
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I want to make it very clear, I

625
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: am not knocking the Lakers or the Clippers for these huge,

626
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: you know deals that include all these picks to go

627
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: and get superstars. I mean I just saw how it

628
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: works without the picks, of course, but it works when

629
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: you get one of the top players in the game.

630
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: And then, in the Lakers case, you got Lebron for

631
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: this very short window. I mean, you got to go

632
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: for the title right now, so you got a d great,

633
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: you paired him, and you were hoping to get Qui

634
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, you don't, no big deal. And then

635
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: the Clippers, I mean they haven't made the like I

636
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: tweeted it out today, like you thought the Raptors fans

637
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: had it bad for a long time. You know, the

638
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: Clippers haven't made the conference finals since nineteen seventy one

639
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: when they were like the Buffalo Braves for crying out

640
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: the conference finals. So you know they have an opportunity. Yeah,

641
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: it hit the mortgaging the future and all these pics. Sure,

642
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: but wow, you just got two of the better players

643
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: in the game, both terrors on both ends of the floor,

644
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: defense and offense. In pauldron kuhi, I mean yeah, you're

645
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: gonna do that? Are the Clippers? And a couple more

646
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Speaker 1: questions for I let you go. I can hear the

647
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: kids in the background getting on.

648
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 4: Ruled you know what.

649
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the kid you can here, so keeping here.

650
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 4: As long as possible?

651
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, the sorts of cousins and people I

652
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: don't even know, and that they're all speaking Spanish. I

653
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: can't I can't get a beer, I can't get a coffee.

654
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing in here.

655
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, a couple of questions, and are the Clippers

656
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: in your mind? Are the Clippers immediate title favorites?

657
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

658
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: I would say yes, okay, yes, because you you sort

659
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: of mention it there. I mean, defensively, you've got obviously

660
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: those suit then you've got Patrick Beverly there as well.

661
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting somebody, but they've got you know that defensively,

662
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: they've got incredible length and a switch ability. Offensively, they've

663
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: got guys who can hit their own shot, create their

664
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: own shot. They're young, they're hungry, they're fresh, like, there's

665
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: no real weakness on that team right now. So yes,

666
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: I think I would say as out of the Western Conference,

667
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: definitely that you know, we know that the Warriors are

668
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: clearly not going to be favorite next season, the Lakers.

669
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: I would take the Clippers over the Lakers roster right now. Okay,

670
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: the Rockets will be in the hunt there, but you

671
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: know I'm not I'm not convinced Chris Paul will be

672
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: on the Rockets at the end of next season. So

673
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 3: right now I would have them best in the West

674
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: and in the Eastern Conference. Mister can ask me, but

675
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: I'd say that the Bucks would be my Eastern Conference

676
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: pick right now.

677
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, like seeing Vegas here, we're not

678
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: We're not at Vegas Summer League. Everybody out there enjoying

679
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: their Zion versus RJ game last night, and then the

680
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: earthquake and I got to hope everybody's okay, But you're

681
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: right in Vegas, Clippers are the favorites, Lakers are right there,

682
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: the Bucks, seventy six ers, and then on and on

683
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: and nine. Do you do you think the Lakers are

684
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: the biggest loser in this in this again sort of

685
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: groundbreaking news or is it just the Raptors because they

686
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: last quiet, or is it the Thunder because they kind

687
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: of stray here? I believe Worldwide Wide tweeted out where

688
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: it was like, well the Thunder get involved in this,

689
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: Like who's the biggest loser in this pairing here of

690
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Kawhi and PG going to the Clips.

691
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: Well, look, if Kawhi Leonard said to the Lakers, I'm

692
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: coming if you can somehow get another player, we don't know.

693
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 3: If they had a chance to get him and they

694
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: missed out, then it's the Lakers for me. Because you've

695
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: got Anthony Davis, you've got Lebron, you had Kawhi to

696
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: that mix, then they're the favorite for the NBA Championship

697
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: next season. The fact that he's joined the Clippers, I

698
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: think that is a huge blow to Los Angeles, even

699
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: though they've had a great offseason. By getting Anthony Davis.

700
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 3: They you know, they needed to finish the job, and

701
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: that's what the Clippers were able to do to get

702
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: that second superstar. Because Lebron James are still good, but

703
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: he's going to be thirty five in December. You know,

704
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: he's coming off his worst season as far as injuries go,

705
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: last season.

706
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: He's still going to be a very very good player, but.

707
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 3: He's clearly we saw when he came back last season, well,

708
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: even though they kind of their playoff chase had kind

709
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: of evaporated, largely, Lebron he checked out, you know, and

710
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: I think you know that that's the big thing for

711
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: the Lakers next season is what sort of a LEBRONI

712
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: going to get. Is he going to be you know,

713
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 3: hyped up again that he's got Anthony Davis? Maybe, but

714
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: is it also going to be the fact that he's

715
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: thirty five years old. He's going to need a lot

716
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: more load management himself just to be able to sort

717
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: of contend. So I would say, you know, go other

718
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: teams that have lost, I mean, the thunder has, but

719
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: it's actually another good loss for them because they weren't

720
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: a contender in my mind. Now they've got a future

721
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: at least to build on and they'll probably get more

722
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: in return for Russell Westbrook.

723
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: So I think if you're a Thunder, you're kind of

724
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: bummed out.

725
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: But it's like, you know.

726
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: What, let these two other teams or these these other

727
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: three or four teams fight it out for the next

728
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 3: two or three years, and then maybe the Thunder will

729
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: be ready to contend again.

730
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: So I think they're okay.

731
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: And the Raptors, honestly, I'm you know, not too upset

732
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 3: for them because I think I think they'll be okay.

733
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: It's not going to be a great season next to

734
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: year for sure, but I think in the long run,

735
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: I have complete faith in Messige Yeries. So I think

736
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: the Raptors will be okay.

737
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Raps are the big losers in whether or

738
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: not they're still going to get a Christmas Dey game.

739
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I think that's up in the air now. Yeah, I

740
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: think it's a strong possibility. Don't get that game now.

741
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: And look, Ring Knight could be weird too. It's going

742
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: to just be strange. I mean, you know, no Kawhi

743
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Leonard get in the ring. He's not going to be there.

744
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well they'll do that of course when he

745
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: does come for his only one visit when he comes

746
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: as a clip, Yeah right, he's going to get a

747
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: standing ovation and they're going to have a tribute video

748
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: and everything.

749
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: You know, there's Raises Jersey to the Raptors that night.

750
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no question that the reputation of

751
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: the Raptors, you know, has has improved. And you know,

752
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: and players will look at Toronto as a situation that's like,

753
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: you know what, you can win and succeed and be

754
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: you know, you very have a very very good career

755
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: there if you choose to go there, or you end

756
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: up being traded to the Raptors. So you know, it's, uh,

757
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: it's not a sad day. It's not a sad day.

758
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: It's it's a day of like, all right, you know what.

759
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: That's what he decided to move on.

760
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Lakers have moved quickly here because they

761
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: were in this they were playing the waiting game with

762
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: Kawhi as we all were, but especially the Lakers and

763
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: the Clippers and the Raptors not being able to make

764
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: a ton of other moves. But the Lakers signed Danny

765
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: Green so two years, thirty million dollars signed Quinn Cook

766
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: two years six million dollars. They brought back Casep he

767
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: continues to get paid two years sixteen million dollars, and

768
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: they retained JaVale McGee two years eight point two million dollars.

769
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: So they're making some moves here. Who knows where cousins

770
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: lands as well. But yeah, it's uh, you know there.

771
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: How does caseyp get two years?

772
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: Honestly in a lot of money?

773
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: A lot of money through good agents. Man, I'll tell

774
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: you that. But but what what is this breaking moves

775
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: to you? Is it no catch us?

776
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: No? I did see it, but I'm just like, this

777
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: is amazing.

778
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: He No, he's move on from He doesn't bring anything

779
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: to that thing.

780
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, well again a crazy, crazy morning. Really appreciate you

781
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: taking some time to get away from all the young

782
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: kids there running around. I mean, so where have you been?

783
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: I know you were in London and then you've obviously

784
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: made your way to Spain. Did I miss anything in between?

785
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: And how's it all going?

786
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

787
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were in London for about ten days I

788
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: think it was, and then we moved. We flew down

789
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: here to Madrid. We both have my wife Roxanne has

790
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: some friends here and I had a friend here as well,

791
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: we caught up with those guys, showed the kids around

792
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: the city.

793
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: It's a great city, Madrid.

794
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: It's it's been hot though not not that humid heat

795
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: that we get in the land of but just sort

796
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: of hot, dry heat.

797
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: So like Vegas.

798
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: Been great, Yeah, like Vegas, just not not in the

799
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: forties like Vegas.

800
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 4: Thre in the sort of low thirties. But yeah, great.

801
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: And then we we're in Oviera right now visiting another

802
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: friend of Roxanna.

803
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: So we're here for a couple of days and then

804
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 4: we head back to London.

805
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: And I'm hoping I'm hoping to snag a ticket to

806
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: Wimbledon one day.

807
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: But it's a little tough out there right now.

808
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: It's a little t Yeah, I know, I know, you'll

809
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: you'll find.

810
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I've got I've got an ability

811
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 3: to get once five hundred.

812
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Quid wow quid.

813
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know.

814
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 4: So I'm walking at that right now, but just do it.

815
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, listen, listen.

816
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: This is all fun doing the podcast, but we're unemployed

817
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: right now, so I'm gonna watch you after that. But also,

818
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: the Cricket World Cup is on in England right now.

819
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 3: Australia in the semifinals, so I'm hoping if I can

820
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 3: maybe get.

821
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: Out to that, but we'll think we'll see in the

822
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 4: next few days.

823
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister worldwide over here, Lee, let's enjoying all the

824
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: sports all right again, Well, I appreciate you taking the time.

825
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: Send send our best everyone, and we'll see you back

826
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: here at Stateside soon.

827
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Enough, Okay, worries All right, buddy Lely, Let's.

828
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: See if we can get t K on the line here.

829
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: All right.

830
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I think we got Trey on the phone.

831
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: T K.

832
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?

833
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Hey?

834
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: Hey, oh, there he is. Oh, it's been so long

835
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: since I've heard an AO. Where are you right now?

836
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: Lee?

837
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Was in Spain? Where are you?

838
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm in Delavan, Wisconsin, gazing out onto the beautiful Lake Delavan,

839
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: feeling like Paul George wanted to hit the hit the

840
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: high season. Catch them big fans.

841
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so you were in Illinois and now you're in

842
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Wisconsin and you're I guess at some point making your

843
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: way back here to you guys are having quite the submurbs. Great.

844
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the Trey Kirby Midwest Tour right now. Right,

845
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: I've been in every state from here to Georgia, but

846
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: yeah back eventually.

847
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: Well let's uh, let's get you know, how you found

848
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: out about this Blockbuster signing and then trade here today

849
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: with Kawhi and Paul George ending up on the Clippers.

850
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: How did you find out? You're you're you know, Lee

851
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: had the benefit of being hours ahead of us here

852
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're

853
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: an hour behind us here uh in Atlanta. So it

854
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: was super early or maybe you were up late. I

855
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: don't know how'd you find out?

856
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: Oh? I was definitely not up late. I was pulling

857
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: Alie Ellis on this one. I was in bed by

858
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: like eleven Central time last night. So the way I

859
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: found out was this morning. You know, Ila, our oldest,

860
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: woke up pretty early, and the first thing she wanted

861
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: to do was open the curtains to the room. And

862
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, absolutely not, absolutely not close the curtains. It

863
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: is too bright. Everybody else is sleeping. So, you know,

864
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: that was that was my first battle. And then you know,

865
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: Laura happened to look at her phone and all of

866
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: the WhatsApp groups were going crazy with Kawhi Leonard, this

867
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: is a bad decision. What happened? So then she throws

868
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: her phone open, tells me Kawhi Leonard to the Clippers

869
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: and Paul George. Instantly I shot up out of bed,

870
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: the coffee was on the pot, and suddenly I was

871
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: sitting outside, gazing on the lake, trying to actually understand

872
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: how this could happen. Last night I was talking to

873
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: a couple of my wife's cousins just about how long

874
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: this is taking and how maybe something will happen the

875
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: next day. But I mean we even chatted about how

876
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: the thunder, how could they possibly get better. I don't know.

877
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: It was a shock to find out in the first

878
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: five minutes I was awake this morning, especially since it

879
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: started with a light battle.

880
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: You're You're absolutely right. It's really it's a shock to

881
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: the system when you find out like news, this big

882
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning. I just told Lee the

883
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, Nora had grabbed her phone before

884
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: I was even awake and was telling me and nudging

885
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: me that, hey, I think Kawhi is signing with the Clippers,

886
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: and then oh my god, Paul George is headed there too,

887
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: And I like, just straight up colder a liar. I

888
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: thought you was just on some like hack website. You

889
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I'm like, what are you looking at?

890
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: What Facebook page are you looking at? Getting this like

891
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: definitely wrong information. And then of course, you know, as

892
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: soon as I opened my phone, my god, this is happening. Okay,

893
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: So you're obviously your shock just like everybody else, now

894
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: that you've had some hours to digest it a little bit,

895
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, are you Are you all in on the

896
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Clippers being sort of the immediate title favorite. Lee thinks,

897
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: so Vegas thinks. So what does Dray Curvey think?

898
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: They're at least right up at the top amongst the

899
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, I guess I'm out rushmore of title contenders.

900
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna be. It's tough to say, because the Lakers,

901
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: I think, are still going to be in the mix

902
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: if you're counting literally the number of All Stars. The

903
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: Sixers have the most guys with Embiid Simmons and now

904
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Al Horford. Yep, Milwaukee obviously has the raining MVP. They

905
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: won sixty games last year. They've got to be in

906
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: the mix. But I don't know. Kawhi Leonard was the

907
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: best player in the league throughout the playoffs and now

908
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: he's going West and he's got another MVP level guy

909
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: next to him. After we saw the fight that the

910
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: Clippers without those two guys gave the Warriors that they

911
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: were able to basically bring back that whole team plus

912
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: add two MVP guys. I mean, everybody's excited about the

913
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: Clippers right now. Surely that's why they're the favorite in Vegas,

914
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: because who's not gonna be like, Oh, the Clippers. They

915
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: got this. But it remains to be seen, but this

916
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: looks like it's gonna be a great team. I think

917
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: they'll probably make another upgrade to get some sort of big,

918
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: tall guy at center, because that seems to be the

919
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: one thing they're missing. But with the pressure that he

920
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: can put defensively on the perimeter, it's not super important.

921
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: They're gonna be fun to watch, and I feel like

922
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna love watching this Clippers team because they love

923
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: the previous Clippers team. Kawhi and Paul George probably aren't

924
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: rocking that boat.

925
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right because their identity that they

926
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: had built there of this Clippers team winning forty eight games,

927
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: challenging the Warriors in the first round, taking a few

928
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: games in Oracle, was this sort of like were the

929
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: dogs this gritty mentality, and yeah, they added all stars

930
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: and MVPs and MVP candidates, but those guys sort of

931
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 1: still fit that mold. You're absolutely right. It just happens

932
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: that they can now go get you twenty five and thirty,

933
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: which turns out can help you win some games. But

934
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: they're still is Lou Williams and they're still a shammitt.

935
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: And you know, they got mohark List. They picked him

936
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: up in a sort of in the mix here, a

937
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: free agency. I think that's sort of overlooked a little

938
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: bit and helped them get another pick there as well

939
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: to then make this Paul George move happen. Zubat should

940
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: be there, you know, Mantres Harrald. It's still a you know,

941
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: it's it's not a showl team by any means, and

942
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: it's a well coached team in doc Rivers and oh yeah,

943
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: they've got Steve balmerras billions of dollars, and maybe they're

944
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: not done, like you said, maybe they go and try

945
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: and find especially another big guy to slip in there.

946
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it it sure looks good on paper with

947
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: that team you already had, and you lose a very

948
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: promising rookie and shake Gildes Alexander and Gonna Gullinary. Fine,

949
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: but that's it, and then you add these two guys. Man,

950
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: that's that's scary. Look, that's scary. With Patrick Beverly coming

951
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: back to I don't know how you're going to score

952
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: on this team on the perimeter.

953
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's absolutely right. I wouldn't be shocked though, if

954
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: at the end of the regular season the Clippers are

955
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: not number one in the Western Conference. You've got Kawhi Leonard, who,

956
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: as we saw with the Raptors, he's gonna miss some

957
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: games for load management. It pays off in the long run,

958
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: so surely the Clippers will run that back again. Paul

959
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: George as well as coming back from an injury, so

960
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: maybe he takes a little bit slow at the beginning

961
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: of the season. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't

962
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: get ahead of themselves trying to race out for the

963
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: number one seed, right, I mean, the Western Conference is

964
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more important, but you know, there's not

965
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: a super team out there right now. Everybody's got two stars,

966
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: so maybe it's not quite as incumbent on teams to

967
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: race out and get that number one seed. The Clippers

968
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: will be ready in the playoffs and they're gonna be fun.

969
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: Everybody likes rooting for Lou Williams and Patrick Beverley already

970
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: Montres Harrell as well. Now you're throwing in those two

971
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: MVP dudes. I can't wait to see what the team

972
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: looks like. Hopefully this like sets off a Clippers rebrand, though,

973
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: we got to get something different, maybe go back to

974
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: the baby blue and orange anything. But you know, the red,

975
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: white and blue is just it doesn't scream Clippers to me. Yeah,

976
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: they haven't made that really their identity. They've been adding

977
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more black to their uniforms. There's something

978
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: that could be upgraded, no doubt, and maybe this, uh,

979
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: maybe this spurs that on.

980
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Even if they go with that. I guess it was

981
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: it was like that Olympics look with the LA I

982
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: like that a lot more.

983
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely that's a better look. So I don't know

984
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: there at least their uniforms are getting better than they

985
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: were even during like the Lob City era. But I

986
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: don't know. Nike's got to hook them up.

987
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I think you are right though that

988
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: idea of that, you know, I wouldn't be putting money

989
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: down on the Clippers to be the number one seed

990
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: in the West, not not with what has happened here too,

991
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: because you you know, you really could convince yourself that

992
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: a team more like the Jazz, let's say, the Rockets,

993
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: of course still in play, maybe even the Blazers if

994
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: you want to talk yourself into that still and then

995
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: of course the Lakers. Yeah, like you could see a

996
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: team or two being above above the Clippers here as

997
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: they try and first off, figure out these pieces a

998
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: little bit, and then oh yeah, the whole thing of like, well,

999
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: we just saw what the Raptors did and they only

1000
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: played them sixty out of eighty two games. Maybe we

1001
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: do that with some of our guys. Here are those

1002
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: two guys as well, So that is a good call.

1003
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: And I can't remember, you know, the last time both

1004
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: conferences felt this wide open, like you usually have at

1005
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: least one conference where you're like, and a lot of

1006
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: this is Lebron, I get it. When he was in

1007
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: the East, it was like, yeah, Lebron's in the East, Okay,

1008
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: they're going to the finals. But it's been a long

1009
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: long time here since we've had both conferences are like,

1010
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, who's gonna win this. I mean in

1011
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: the East, you said Bucks Sixers. You know, maybe the

1012
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: Celtics with Kemba Raptors probably going down a step now,

1013
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: but they're still gonna be good. And then yeah, in

1014
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: the West, all these teams I just listed, I mean,

1015
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: this is gonna make this very, very exciting. I think

1016
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: this is sort of a best bet scenario here in Tassin.

1017
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I had talked about this when we did our massive

1018
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: free agency recap. It's cool that if Kawhi was gonna leave,

1019
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: he went to the Clippers and not the Lakers, because

1020
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: it does make the balance feel a little more fair.

1021
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that.

1022
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I mean I was hoping that he

1023
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: stayed in the Eastern Conference, Kawhi, just to have balance

1024
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: between the conferences. That's but the fact that the Clippers

1025
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: were able to come in and take away the one

1026
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: super team that was really out there formulating, I think

1027
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: it's huge because you know, if we would have went

1028
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: from a Warrior super team instantly into a Lakers superteam.

1029
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: Things have changed, but it's still kind of the same

1030
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: landscape for the NBA. But with this, now these teams

1031
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: are getting a star and a co Star. It's not

1032
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: the same as having a big three. Certainly some team

1033
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 2: will get a big three in the next couple of years,

1034
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: but at least for heading into this next season, you

1035
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: can talk yourself into ten teams making the finals. I

1036
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: would say between the two conferences, depending on how matchups,

1037
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: how matchups play out. We saw the Blazers make a

1038
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: run to the conference finals this year, not knowing if

1039
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: they were going to be able to show up as

1040
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: well as they did in the playoffs. It's all going

1041
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: to be very matchup dependent to see which teams are

1042
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: in the conference finals come playoff time. I'm excited. The

1043
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: league feels completely completely different.

1044
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's right. Who do you think

1045
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: is the biggest loser from this this big news where

1046
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Kawhi and PG go together. Is it the Lakers because

1047
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: they thought they were in the running forum and maybe

1048
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: they were very very close to getting them. Is it

1049
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: the raptor is just because they lost the finals MVP?

1050
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Is it the thunder who you know, the biggest shock

1051
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: of the all where Paul George is suddenly going to

1052
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: them and saying trade me, I want to go play

1053
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: with Kawhi. Make this happen like or is there someone

1054
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm even forgetting here, be it a team or a

1055
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: particular player or whoever, who do you sort of mark

1056
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: down as the big loser?

1057
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: For me, it's between the Lakers and Thunder. The Thunder

1058
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: did an incredible job to recover from being shocked by

1059
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: all accounts from what Royce Young is saying, by Paul

1060
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: George's trade request. They got a huge mother load of picks,

1061
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: seven picks, basically another couple of players who were good

1062
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: and Shay and Gallo, but they still had to trade

1063
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: Paul George, who was just coming off maybe the best

1064
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: season of his career, looking pretty healthy throughout the season

1065
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: until his shoulders fell apart. We're assuming that'll all be good.

1066
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: You don't go into this summer expecting to maybe be

1067
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: in rebuild mode. But now it seems like they might

1068
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: be trading Russell Westbrook as well, at the very least

1069
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: the ideas on the table, and it seemed like that

1070
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: guy was going to be a Thunder for life after

1071
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: Paul George signed last summer. So I got the Thunder

1072
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: as a minor loser, but they did a good, really

1073
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 2: good job of recovering. As for the Lakers, I do

1074
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: think that It is a bit of a bummer for

1075
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: their fans to go from thinking they had a big

1076
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: three to bring him back KCP and JaVale McGee. On

1077
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: the very same day, you know, the Lakers were thinking,

1078
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: we're back, baby, were the Lakers again? The Clippers are

1079
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: always going to be a joke. The Clippers are no

1080
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: longer a joke La the Lakers. They got to be

1081
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: scrambling a little bit. It's going to be fun. This

1082
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: is the first time it's going to feel like an

1083
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: actual rivalry. I feel like in that building. Yeah, it's

1084
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: really cool.

1085
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we have to the NBA, like they

1086
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: can't overthink this, right, you got to give us Clippers

1087
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: Lakers on opening night? Think. I mean, I guess Christmas

1088
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: of course could be in play, but why not opening

1089
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: night for the late game. I mean, well, by the way,

1090
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna be watching a lot more late games here

1091
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: now with two powerhouse teams out in the West, with

1092
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers in the cliffs, but many like you gotta

1093
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: put that first night, right.

1094
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, give it to me first night, Give it

1095
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: to me Christmas they play four times, yeah, so we

1096
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: can spread it out over the course of the season.

1097
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, the Raptors will have their

1098
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: championship ceremony. That's gonna be an early game because they're

1099
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: on the East Coast. Yep, late game. It's gotta be

1100
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: the La Showdown.

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00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: I think you're right. And so do you think you

1102
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: know you slipped it in there? Do you think the

1103
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: Thunder will look to try and move Russell Westbrook? You

1104
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: think that's the right move or even if Steven Adams

1105
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: just like completely lean in into this, Hey, it didn't

1106
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: work with with the PG Westbrook. We kept losing in

1107
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: the first round. And now we've traded him. We've got

1108
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of picks, and let's see what we can

1109
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: get for Westbrook and and could the possibility. I believe

1110
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: it's you that said it a while back now, but

1111
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: Westbrook in Madison Square go? Did you not once throw

1112
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: that out there? Am I crazy?

1113
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Ooh?

1114
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1115
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: To me, I've always kind of thought Westbrook after summer

1116
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, I thought Westbrook was just going to be

1117
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: a Thunder for life. But you know, Royce Younging to

1118
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: me seems like a guy who's pretty plugged in, and

1119
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: he seems to be hinting at the fact that the

1120
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: thunder are gonna want to do a full rebuild. I

1121
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: think Adams is going to be widely shopped around the

1122
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: league and there will be some takers. I mean, he's

1123
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: not old age wise, but he's been in the NBA

1124
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: playing a ton of minutes for a while, so I

1125
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: can see them wanting to strike while the iron is hot,

1126
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: while they can actually move him before things go really downhill. Furthermore,

1127
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: if you can move Westbrook and you've got the whole

1128
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Clippers draft basically for the next seven years, you're right

1129
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: in rebuild mode. On the other hand, maybe a Keith

1130
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: Westbrook just play it out for a year, see what happens.

1131
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: Maybe his trade value increases as his contract gets shorter.

1132
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it seems weird that you would

1133
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: trade the guy who stayed. Yeah, but you know that's

1134
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: the NBA. I thought it was crazy when the Clippers

1135
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: traded Blake Griffin, the guy who put them seriously on

1136
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: the map for the first time ever, made them not

1137
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: a laughing stock, and they traded them, and then they

1138
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: traded the guy they got for him, and then suddenly

1139
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: they got two MVP level guys. So sometimes you can't

1140
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: be sentimental, even if it's fun to be sentimental.

1141
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the players being wielding so much power now

1142
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: in today's game, it has made like the NBA just

1143
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: feel like a two K like where it's like these

1144
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: you can turn around your franchise so quickly in trading

1145
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: star players for other assets and then flipping those assets

1146
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: into other star players, and it just I don't know,

1147
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's sort of always has happened

1148
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but it feels like it's just ramped

1149
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: up to a whole other level now where these things

1150
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: just can move so quickly and the identity of your

1151
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: team can just be flipped on its head two or

1152
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: three times in the span of a year. I mean,

1153
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: like the Sixers have just done it. I mean the

1154
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Clippers in very little time have done it. I mean

1155
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: it's insane. I mean it's fun, but it's still insane.

1156
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. It feels like we were just watching DeAndre

1157
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: Jordan get convinced to stay with the Clippers by Blake

1158
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: Griffin and Chris Paul. They went to his house and

1159
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: barricaded him, and now four years later, all of those

1160
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 2: guys are gone. DeAndre Jordan is now supposedly best friends

1161
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: with Kevin Durant, so he's heading to the nets. Meanwhile,

1162
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: the Clippers have an entirely new team. Despite the fact

1163
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: that the Lob City Clippers were the best team they've

1164
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: ever had, it feels a lot like every player is

1165
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: on the table right now. The shorter contracts are helping that,

1166
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: the players wanting to make their own decisions or helping that.

1167
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: I think it makes teams feel a little less tied

1168
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: to keeping their hometown guys around as long because they

1169
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: know it could end in just a second. So yeah,

1170
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: it's an exciting time. It's a bad time to be

1171
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: buying jerseys because you never know when you're gonna have

1172
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: to get a new one. But that's why they got

1173
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 2: the jersey insurance program.

1174
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they saw this coming. That's absolutely right. The other

1175
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: part two is like the salaries for these guys are

1176
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: so exorbited that it's I mean, like Kawi Leonard, you know,

1177
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: at one point was looking at a two hundred and

1178
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars contract with the Spurs and then maybe

1179
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: one ninety to stay in Toronto, and in the end

1180
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: he goes for four years one forty two in La Now,

1181
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean I guess what I'm getting at is it's

1182
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: still one hundred and forty million dollars. I mean, like

1183
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: it's like you do get up into these ranges where

1184
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: it's like, who really cares is one hundred and forty

1185
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: million dollars two hundred million dollars. I mean, it really

1186
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: isn't truly that much difference. I think when you start

1187
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: to get into that type of money. I mean, I

1188
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: don't know for sure he obviously, I'm sure he is

1189
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: looking at the LA market and the possibilities of just

1190
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: selling more shoes and more new balance and all that.

1191
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: But I think that has a play a play on

1192
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: this a little bit as well. Just these players going,

1193
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: you know what, it's like, I don't care if it's

1194
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: just not all about the money. I want to either

1195
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: go home in Kawhi's case, or you know, go and

1196
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: try and save this franchise for whatever reason whatever, I mean,

1197
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: whatever the reason, it's just not money money money, well

1198
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: it's not.

1199
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: At least basketball money, like you're yeah, And I think

1200
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: that the players are so much more savvy about other

1201
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: ways that they can build their businesses. You think back

1202
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: just seven years ago, twenty twelve, Carmelo Anthony was wanted

1203
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 2: to go home, wanting to play for the Knicks force

1204
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: his way out of Denver, and he made sure to

1205
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: do it while he was still a Denver nugget, rather

1206
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: than doing it in free agency so that the Knicks

1207
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: could give him that huge contract. Right that was just

1208
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: seven years ago. If Mellow was a free agent going

1209
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: to be going to be a free agent now in

1210
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, he's probably okay, waiting a little bit. Maybe

1211
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: the team he can go to is able to build

1212
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: a better team around him because he knows I can

1213
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: go and make another one hundred million dollars doing business

1214
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: deals wherever I'm at. The basketball money isn't necessarily the

1215
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: biggest thing right now because players are just getting smarter

1216
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: and realizing how to maximize their earning potential. There's a

1217
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: nice little financial term, you know. Yeah, this is the

1218
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: one I got.

1219
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you sounded like Daryl Brown there for a second

1220
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: year the tips like that. All right, Well, anything else

1221
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: to add again to this to this crazy news here

1222
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: that forced us to do an emergency the Free Agent's Podcast.

1223
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: Anything else we're missing here that you wanted to touch.

1224
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: On, Well, most of the other guys who are here

1225
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: on this trip are out golfing, So I had to

1226
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: consult Island today to bounce some ideas off. Who's going

1227
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: to be better this year? I asked her, who's going

1228
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: to be better Lebron and Anthony Davis, are Kawhi and

1229
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: Paul George? She picked Kawhi and Paul George. Okay, I

1230
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: give her a little bit of cred because she picked

1231
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: the Calves in twenty sixteen, so maybe she knows what

1232
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: she's talking about.

1233
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, well there you go. If you're putting some

1234
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: money down, take AILA's advice and maybe consider putting it

1235
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: on the Clippers there instead of the Lakers. It's gonna

1236
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: be wild. Appreciate you taking the time here, Trey. We're

1237
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up. In fact, I want to thank

1238
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: everybody for already making the Free Agents podcast here, the

1239
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: number one sports podcast in iTunes. There are over eight

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Speaker 1: second one here, but the number one sports podcast in

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1247
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00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,160
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Speaker 1: email us at the free Agents twenty nineteen at gmail

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00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: dot com. I think that's about it. We have no idea,

1252
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: of course, when we'll be back. We got trayin Wisconsin,

1253
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: we got Lea in Spain. I think Task is heading

1254
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: home to Toronto soon. I'm gonna get out of here.

1255
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: JD.

1256
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: You're just stuck here in your poor base Nada. So

1257
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: we have no idea. But we'll have some more podcasts

1258
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: coming for you, I assume a little bit later in

1259
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: the summer. Until then, embrace the eight people.

1260
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: You could stay every day.

1261
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 3: And I'd be happy every minuting. It's been so long

1262
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: with Yaana,