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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting, the icon and North American wilderness.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation, but will also bring

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Speaker 1: Chasing Batteries, we met up with Damon bun Gard. Damon

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Speaker 1: is an interesting guy. He's a used to be a

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Speaker 1: We'll have to go to photo of us all recording later,

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Speaker 1: A tackle bred by Mountain creek um tackles. Most people

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Speaker 1: So I'm like in one of these spots where I

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Speaker 1: shot the last one, and yeager actually help me find

424
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: that dear um I'm literally sitting on a bedding knoll.

425
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: It's a southwest facing knoll with scrapes and beds and

426
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: rubs on it. I am hate it. Yeah, I get

427
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: in there before they're in the morning, and I'm sitting

428
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: where they're coming or where they're going to scout by

429
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: um and uh, you know, I'm wasting my time. They're

430
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: probably doing that in December, um and early October even,

431
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: but in November that's one of the spots they like

432
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: to be, so a lot of that too. I think

433
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: it's hunting knows is figuring out you know, food early

434
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: early food sources, rut chaos, late season food sources, and

435
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: what are those deer doing in the light winter in

436
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: the mountains. The ones near me like they're down there,

437
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: they're heading, they're grouping back up, they're heading the thick

438
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: betting near late season food. There's one, there's my question

439
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: for for where I'm at. There's just one, just old

440
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: overgrown briar patch. But I've just climbed trees after I'm

441
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: tagged out and just sit there and watch and I'll

442
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: spot six eight. They're just white throats. I can't see

443
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: their body, I just see their heads and white throats

444
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: feeding that stuff. Um, so like last year, but you

445
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: know last year, I didn't I didn't punch a tag

446
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: in Tennessee's if we're on a dough, I didn't kill

447
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: a buck last year. Um, I had some chances, just

448
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: didn't come together this year though. They you know, they

449
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: came in and and you know in Georgia, it's funny

450
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: out hunting with a friend, UM down in Telfair County

451
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: along the Mugi River and swamps. And he wasn't calling

452
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: in same nights, same you know, same areas. He wasn't

453
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: seeing bucks and I was seeing five and night five

454
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: is sit rattling in every half hour. Um, but it

455
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: was like peak time when they're like it's early November,

456
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: they're kind of they're kind of during that time. So

457
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: like that the buck I shot down there, he came

458
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: in straight down when behind me shot him Ryan his

459
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: chest coming right at me. Um, I just heard a

460
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: crunch turned around like so they just you know, legal

461
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: shooter and like I'm gonna shoot that, you know if

462
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: one one of those one let me look at him

463
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: a little bit and you know it's just mature back

464
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: boom yea that that fast um And uh, same thing.

465
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: The first buck I shot in Tennessee this year, it

466
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: wasn't a spot far from my house. Um, and I

467
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: just had like it was I've been trying having a

468
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: lot of trade shows. They've done the or Risk Game

469
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: Fair and Kevin's Catalog Game Fair and Georgia and Alabama's

470
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: when I actually hunted in Georgia in between those shows.

471
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: And then Um, I was like, man, it's the first

472
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: week in November, and this is like, that's the prime

473
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: time for me in in Tennessee is to his first

474
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: week of the first two weeks in November. There's just

475
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks moving and they're aggressive to me.

476
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: You can you can interact with him. Um, And I

477
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: just got home and I was like, man, I gotta

478
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: get out for the last hour and a half of

479
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: the day. I don't care if you that's all it is.

480
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: And I literally hiked into a dead tree. Um just

481
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: dropped my backpack, got out my antlers, and it's right

482
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: on the edge of where I know what you're like

483
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to bed. Um just kind of got in there quiet

484
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: and uh four o'clock and just started banging and breaking

485
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: and he just walked straight out of that bed and

486
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: cover right away within seconds, ten minutes of hunting. He

487
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: just got up and heard he heard was commotion. He

488
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to be near him, and he just got

489
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: up and walked out of that stuff and just was

490
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: head down and puffing, and um, he just comes when

491
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: he just laid down and died, and I was like,

492
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: well that worked out. That's that's good hunting man's and

493
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: then uh, then the then the third one, Um, what

494
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: I want. I talked about those Southern doorsman guys. It's

495
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: covered some of this stuff, um on a podcast with them.

496
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: They um that betting spot I'm talking about with that

497
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: I that I get into, try to get into before

498
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: they get back there in daylight. Um. I slept in

499
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: like a half an hour too long, and it was

500
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: getting light when I got there. And to get there,

501
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: I gotta go down this face across the river, up

502
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: a face, and there's an easier way there, but I

503
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: take this really convoluted way so I don't bother where

504
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: they kind of mill night and and I always keep

505
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: my wind right because the wind switches there around nine. Um.

506
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: And anyway, so I go in this really obscure, hard

507
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: way to get where I want to get and it's

508
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: basically it's a rock next to a tree, and when

509
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: I sit my body on the ground behind the rock,

510
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: my whole body is blocked from their vision of this

511
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: like bowl and funnel, and they my heads but can

512
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: see around that rock and I have a great view.

513
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: And then when something kinds, I can just lay on

514
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: the rock and shoot off. Um. And I've had deer

515
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: there and like you know, walk within five yards and

516
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: me up by the rock, and they just come up

517
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: and just like this betting spot. So you always go like,

518
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: stay out of the betting area. I don't. I don't.

519
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to that theory all the time. Um.

520
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: And certainly not in the big open woods. On those

521
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: open knolls. It's one thing keeping my scent out of

522
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: dense thickets that they bed in, you know. But in

523
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: open woods that just happened to like a sunny bench

524
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: and I don't have any problem. And uh so, but

525
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: like that morning I got there and right when I

526
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: was getting my my rock, like there was two deer

527
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: getting spoons and I was like, damn it, it's slept

528
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: in half an hour and I'm too late. And I

529
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: was kicking myself and then and um and then I

530
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: had a rattling session and they broke. And then I

531
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: see I saw a beautiful buck um and he was

532
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: heading away and I saw grunting um and bleeding and rattling,

533
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: and he turned around. He starts walking and I just

534
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: flat out and missed him. I missed him, And I

535
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: should have waited because he was coming, but I had

536
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: like it's it's a lot of trees and a little

537
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: tiny shooting pockets muzzleloader, and I just he was in

538
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: eighty yards and I thought I had a window. And

539
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, um, but I missed him.

540
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean I waited, you know, I sat there for

541
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: an hour. I got down. I was looking for hair, blood,

542
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: just nothing. Um. And the way he just walked off

543
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: to he didn't like he didn't really just kind of

544
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: and he's kind of I was trying to reload, and

545
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: he just was like what the heck, um, And I

546
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: was just kicking myself off. A man, you're late and

547
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: you suck and now you missed and you're just a

548
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: terrible hunter. And and I was just like pouting, and

549
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: I just got like my antlers out again, and uh,

550
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: like half hour later and did a big sash um

551
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: and ran around, kicking stumps and trees and breaking them. Um.

552
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: And I hear he's like, I'm talking about there's a

553
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: ridge down below me. And I hear the footstuff long

554
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: before I see the deer and he's chopto um. And

555
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I could tell he wasn't gonna come up to the

556
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: betting area. He was gonna cross his face. So I

557
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: got up and I like kind of jog twenty yards

558
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: while he's joging. He can't hear me while he's making noise,

559
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: so I moved. I'm you know, I'm I will move

560
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: to get that shot when I know he's moving again.

561
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: He's not gonna hear me when he's d and if

562
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: he does, he's probably gonna stop with him what time

563
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: he can see me. I can see him um. And

564
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: I got over there and he's coming up his face

565
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: at me. Um and uh, you know, in twenty yards

566
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: and he's coming up um kind of quartering too, and

567
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: I shot and he runs like twenty feet maybe and stops.

568
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: He's behind a rock in the tree and I'm standing here.

569
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: He's standing there. I know he's there, he knows I'm there.

570
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I tried to reload quick took one step and he

571
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: just bolts flag up like strong, like nothing gonna happened.

572
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, alive that I missed. I

573
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: just missed again. It's like it's something around my muzzle loader.

574
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, just starting with the heck.

575
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: And I walked down to where I thought I'd shot him,

576
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: and I see white hair and just like black pudding

577
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: it's like and I was like, what the heck? And

578
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, I shot him in the

579
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: liver and it was just like amazing. It was just

580
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: like macerated liver um like co tell can tell that

581
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: exited belly. And now I know I had spooked. It's

582
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: all transpired, and you know there's no like it's backing out.

583
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean he's standing out of staying there. There was

584
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: no like, wait half an hour in the course of

585
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: two and a half minutes, I mean we're standing on

586
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: top of each other. Um and uh so I actually

587
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: you know I wouldn't got you air for that one,

588
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, Uh spooked dear, you never want to bump

589
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: a deer um regardless, tracking um and spooked deer can

590
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: go a long way. And like number one, we'll of

591
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: like tracking and recovery is, if don't bump it out

592
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: of its first bat, your odds of recovery go way off.

593
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Even with the dock. Um, just a lot of more

594
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: factors become involved. But so I'm telling myself the same

595
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: thing I always tell the hunters when they call me

596
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: about tracking. You know, how long did you wait? Like

597
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: did you bumped the deer? And like the answers are,

598
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't have waited. There was no I could wait,

599
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: and I did bump it. I mean it was standing there,

600
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't bedded, But bottom line is it was shot.

601
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Then a few minutes later it was spooked and running

602
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: hard away and that deer could have honestly, a deer

603
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: could have been a mile. Um. So I did this

604
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: big two and a half mile hike out loop, trying

605
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: to give it as much space as I could not

606
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: spook it again. UM. I waited another hour and then

607
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: I kind of did this hike out. UM got home. UM.

608
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Do you know Ethan Stickbill Chronicles? Yeah, another traditional bill hunter. UM. Anyway,

609
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: he lives near me. And I called Ethan. I said, hey, man, UM,

610
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: shot shot of block the ever shot at Um. I'm nervous.

611
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Uh and uh quality, dear you know again, not just

612
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: obviously there wasn't. It was just come out like, okay,

613
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: shoot for sure, I'll shoot that. Um and uh So

614
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll come help you. UM and he knows Yeager.

615
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: He's he's helped me go on some tractors, Yeager, and

616
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeager likes him a lot. Um and uh so we

617
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: hiked all the way back in um and put Yeager

618
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: on that track and the blood it was all dry

619
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: by then, and it had turned. It's actually my first

620
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: time seeing what incredibly fresh liver blood looks like versus

621
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: a few hours later. UM. Usually I would see it

622
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: at later. Um, I've never seen in my thirty years

623
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: of hunting, I've never seen the fresh blood like that. Um.

624
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: Just what it looked like. It was kind of like

625
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I even like texted some photos to other trackers like

626
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: this is different for me. Um they got shot a

627
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of it just was different. Um so and I'm

628
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: always like studying everything. Um and uh so, but put

629
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: your egger on it and boom up over them little

630
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: the ridge down his face bo how far? But that

631
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't that far. But he was still limber like

632
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: six hours later. So he he had just died. I

633
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: mean there was no problem twisting him for Philo, and

634
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: it was he was not stiff at all. I mean,

635
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: he had just just died. But that's a good that's

636
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: a good place to jump into the dog. I mean,

637
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: what did uh? How how cold a trail can he trail?

638
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: And and part of my worldview with the old factory

639
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: strength of a dog comes from hound hunting. I mean

640
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: we share a unit an interest connected in some ways

641
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: because I hunt plot hounds, which are originally German, came

642
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: from Germany, but the breed breed was really developed in

643
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: North Carolina and then the southern apple Achians is kind

644
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: of where it started. But so you hear you hear

645
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: guys talk about like baar dog man, there's golly. Everybody

646
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: will tell you something different. Some guys will tell you

647
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: you're a liar if they if you say that your

648
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: bear dog can start a ten hour old track. Some

649
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: the same time, at the same time, you'll hear guys

650
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: out west that are hunting lines and snow their dogs

651
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: are running tracks that are well over twenty four hours old,

652
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: even two days old, but very different conditions. I mean

653
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: it's a so I people don't realize how much tracking

654
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: conditions matter, species matter, sent inputs matter. Um. But like

655
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: for deer, uh, twenty old tracks are blank blank that's

656
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have a true he wouldn't have even even

657
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: the even the field tests that exists are all twenty

658
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: are like the Dorris Tackle Club. That's the tracking test

659
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: he had to take to be a stud twenty hour old,

660
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: kilometer long, aged overnight and brains in the game heavy

661
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: areas um uh and then the other. In the United States,

662
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: we have a group called United Blood Trackers. UM. They

663
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: have tests that they do and UBT two test is

664
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: twenty hours almost it's like eight or whatever almost again

665
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: almost a mile um, same thing auged overnight late the

666
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: day before. Um. And that's so that's that's just what

667
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: it is. So okay, So twenty hours old. What about

668
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: thirty hours old? I'd take it. Yeah. Um. How do

669
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: you think his nose compares to a top notch cold

670
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: nose hound? Is it better? I think I think so,

671
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: just because I've I've witnessed him out track in tests

672
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: like coon hounds and bloodhounds. UM. But I can't speak

673
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: for all of them. And certainly there's uh, you know,

674
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: just people get into a better dog at this and that.

675
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, docs ands are known for their noses. Um,

676
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: they have a personality that also makes them good at tracking.

677
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: But I mean I think they yeah, like into the

678
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: forty eight hour tracks and stuff, that's where blood hunt

679
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: starts separating themselves. Um, they track and there's there's stopped

680
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: for me for him for sure. Their styles are just

681
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: totally different. Like let's see a bloodhound track and it's

682
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: almost like you're watching the dogs sleepwalk. It's just really

683
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: slow and lumbering, methodical. He's like, wow, he's trying to go.

684
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the way a hound would trail.

685
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, like if you took one of my plots

686
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: and training it to be a blood dog, which I

687
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: mean you could, uh it would. I mean it'd be

688
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: pulling on your lead, trying to pull you over people

689
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: of saying they're like ages the tracks more, you know,

690
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: training training lines will slow them down. I've tried, but

691
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I've just learned to adapt to his style and go

692
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: with it. And I can physically keep up. Um, so

693
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I shouldn't. I don't, you know, I

694
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: don't claim to be a great dog trainer or handler

695
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: or I just know he blows my mind with what

696
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: he does. Um. And he's good um. And inside the

697
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: tests in real life, yeah, inside the hound world. And

698
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: this is something that I've I've written about probably more

699
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: than I've actually witnessed personally. But we do this legendary

700
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: bear hound series, and most of these dogs that these

701
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: guys are considering legendary bear dogs are what they call

702
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: in some places good trail dogs or good start dogs.

703
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: Were So in a pack of dogs that are all

704
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: bred for big game hunting and bear hunting, even the

705
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: best lines in the world, there's gonna be one that's

706
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: way better than the other ones, you know, And I'm

707
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: sure it's the same way with tackles, and so I

708
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: guess that's what. And there's no answer, but like, like

709
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: you take one of these really good, like bona fide

710
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: trail dogs, I just wonder how his nose would be

711
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: because and here's another thing, and you may know the

712
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: answer to this, Like I look at like I have

713
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: tree and cur scuroll dogs. Their noses are about that long.

714
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean, like like literally I've got my hands put

715
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: out about three inches. You know. Scent is is distinguished

716
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: by nasal mucosa turbinates. I think they call the flat

717
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 1: like Kobe. When you look at a dried deer skull

718
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: that's been cleaned by dermostide beetles, the little paper thin

719
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: flakes up in the nasal cavity, those are called turbinates.

720
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I've just recently learned. Those are

721
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: covered in the nasal mucosa, which is basically skin. The

722
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: more of that you have, the more scent you can retain.

723
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: That's why Bear he has more surface area turbinate surface

724
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: area than almost any other mammal of his size. This

725
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: dog has a huge head. That's where I was, you

726
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: know where you know where I was. Most docksins that

727
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: are well when I say that's probably wrong with most

728
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: little dogs have little heads. He has a head as

729
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: big as my plots. Right, So he's yeah, he's you know,

730
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: he's built. Um again, the way they use these dogs,

731
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: and he's built to go in to the fox then

732
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: and hold that fox or kill that fox until the

733
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: hunter digs him out. Yeah. Um, he's they're hunters. I

734
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: mean in the way he hunts. Hunting style. It's you're

735
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: hunting with me. I'm not hunting with you. I'm gonna

736
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: go hunt. They're not like, they're not like obedience training.

737
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're he's not like I'm not

738
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: again like said stay, maybe certainly there's no recall um. Uh.

739
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: And then again I'm never claimed to be a great

740
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: dog trainer. Um, but uh, instinctively, they're just hunters to

741
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: their core. They the instinct to find it and that

742
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the prey drive is what makes them so good and

743
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: they able to concentrate. Um. He wants to find it.

744
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Every core of ounce of his body is built. I

745
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Am going to find it, um, And you may be

746
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: there at the end or not, but I'm gonna find

747
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: it like them. Uh. And that's really I think. What

748
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: you know when the dog like this, it was really funny. Um.

749
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if the guy's fam with wild Rose Kennels,

750
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: um uk gun dogs they bring in and bread, British

751
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 1: labradors and yeah, he wrote he literally wrote the dog

752
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: training book with Orvis Mike Stewart. Great guy, um and

753
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: went down to their adventure dog Runday. But they do this.

754
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: They do this event because they train really how they

755
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: their dogs like robots, um for waterfowl. But they also

756
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of people who want them, you know,

757
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: take them hiking, taking kayaking. So they even have like

758
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: training programs just for adventure dogs and they have to

759
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: pick up water balls instead of a doctor training to

760
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: pick up water bottles. And they're training to be calm

761
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: on a kayak and different things and train high can

762
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, to sit and stay and recall over a

763
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: bridge and things. Anyway, we were down there and kind

764
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: of joining them. So he's obviously not a lab. He

765
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: doesn't he's not nowhere near wired like a lab. And

766
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: the way he operates or thinks or anything. Um, we

767
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: were all in this hiking trip and we were like

768
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: twenty dogs and handlers in a line going by this

769
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: lake and a deer jumps up from the edge of

770
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: the lake that was bedded and runs through the line

771
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: of dogs and handlers and everybody like told their labs,

772
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, sit, stay, and they all just like locked

773
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: in at their left heel and sat. Yeager lost his blood,

774
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: lost his mind and he was like let me, you know,

775
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm barking and I'm like trying to just restrain him. Um,

776
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: and he's somewhat okay until we cut the scent line

777
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: and then he just looks like, you know, and I

778
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: was getting kind of some stink I from some of

779
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: the other people that don't you know, work their dogs,

780
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not going to scold him for this.

781
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: I Am not like I'm gonna correct him a little bit,

782
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: but utimately this is what he's for. Yeah, I mean, uh,

783
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want him tracking live dear. I

784
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: want him tracking dead deer. So I kind of calibrated

785
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I'm not gonna like yank him

786
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: off and try to get this this big correction, you know,

787
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: because and even something of the trainers that hunt pulled

788
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: me aside later and they're like, you did the right thing,

789
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: like he's not like, that's not that's not what you

790
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: have them for. Yeah. So are there are there people

791
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: breeding these dogs? And I mean I guess there are.

792
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: You got this dog? I mean, where did you have

793
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: to give away? No, it's from Bomb Mountain Creeks. The breeder.

794
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: He breeds deuts, strawars and uh and raw hard tackles

795
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: um to the German standards. There's only aside from Bob

796
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Mountain Creek in a uh, there's a breeder in Quebec,

797
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Louis la branch Um. That's the only true tackle breeders

798
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: that I know. Are you're gonna Are you gonna breed him? Uh?

799
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: Now that he's passed all the trials and as a

800
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: registered stud. Yeah, the plan is, um, next summer, get

801
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: a female, you're gonna Balm Mountain Creek has an unrelated

802
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: female to Yeager, So usually he sends his female is

803
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: really protective of their stock. They make you like sign

804
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: a contract that you won't it's such a small community.

805
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of trust. Breeding dogs outside of the standards

806
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: does nobody any good. Unfortunately, tackles are not a state

807
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: like Drassar where they're recognized by NAVDA or anything. I got,

808
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: like as a versatile breed. So North American Bristol Hunting

809
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: Dog Association, so they you know, they're the ones who

810
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: have like the Naveta chest and the trials for a

811
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: lot of the UM the d DS, dertstras and UM.

812
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if plots are in there or not UM,

813
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: but a lot of the let's say obscure European breeds,

814
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: the field hunting breeds UM uh, but they don't recognize

815
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: tackles UM as separate. But that description of you know,

816
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: dortstrats are in a different registry. They will not breed

817
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: until they pass certain field standards. So even though like

818
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: he may breed a dog and they're they're gonna have

819
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: five puppies, they're gonna be tackles, true tackles, but none

820
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 1: of those dogs will breed until they've passed these five standards.

821
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: That makes sense. So it's how they keep the hunting

822
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: in them. It's how if they don't prove they have

823
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: these traits, they're not going to pass that on. They

824
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: might be great dogs, and they might be good at

825
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: tracking and not good at waterfowl. Um, but they have

826
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: set a standard and both if he if he was

827
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: missing teeth or crooked teeth, he wouldn't be able. Yeah,

828
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: so it's not just performance, it's physical too. Does he

829
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: bark on the track, he will? Um. You know it's

830
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: called here the terms loud will be loud or um

831
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: will the vocalize um? Uh, there's some other terms um.

832
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: And I hadn't paid much attention to it. He's certainly

833
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't he's not like a hound though, I mean, like, well,

834
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: here's I didn't start thinking about what was pointed out

835
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: to me. So one of the videos. I have some

836
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: videos tracking on my personal YouTube channel and uh, the

837
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: mike saw the breeder saw it said, oh when does he? Um?

838
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: You know this is the test in Germany actually called

839
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: spur a lot when they test their vocalization. Um, because

840
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: they are they're running bore with him, they're running rabbits,

841
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: they're running yeah, because they're they're keeping tabs of the

842
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: dog and you can and you can even tell what's

843
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: going on by the pitch and tone of the bar. Yeah.

844
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: So um. He says, oh when does he because he

845
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: saw one of the videos and I was like, uh,

846
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it. He said, his mother, if

847
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: she she's she'll only allud once there's a deal with

848
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: the fifty yards with him. I've now learned if I'm

849
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: restraining him too much on a track where we're on

850
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: the line, is when we can tell he's on the line.

851
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: If I restrain him and he just kind of gives

852
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: up for us, walking around, looking around and like he's

853
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: hunting the line, he's not on the line. If I

854
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: restrain him and he's pulling and starts whining and frustrated,

855
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: he's on the line, let's go um and um certainly.

856
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: It's a way I can tell live dear too. Like

857
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: we're on a track and all the signs are you

858
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't kill this deer, and he starts getting vocal. I'm like,

859
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: we're pushing alive, dear. Now, how many So he's two

860
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: and a half years old, there's only so many falls

861
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: that he's been mature. How many, dear, how many critters

862
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: has he recovered? You know, I don't. I'm not having't

863
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: kept good records so as a as a puppy, and

864
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: some guys really take a lot of tracks and they

865
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: keep really intricate records. I have not gone down that path, um,

866
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: because I had the time to just openly track a lot.

867
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: But like as as a puppy, his first season was

868
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: four months old. My main goal was just like I

869
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: just want you to experience being a hunting dock. I

870
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: just want you to smell things and be up late

871
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: at night around strange people, strange places, other dogs. And

872
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: so I just traveled um and hunted. But he got

873
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: to smell that season. He got to smell white tail,

874
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: while boar, mule, deer, an antelope, um. And they were

875
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: all just practice lines animals that that I had shot

876
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: I knew they were dead. Um, father shot him, my

877
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: friend shot him and just say okay, start finished. Um.

878
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: So he got probably exposed half a dozen animals. That's

879
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: that first seasons a puppy um. And then the second

880
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: season was the first season I started taking calls from

881
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: the public. Um. And I bet we did a dozen

882
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: tracks that year, um, and they were all either recoveries

883
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: or the three weeks later I got him on game

884
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: camera confirmation every more or I called it at a

885
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: property line we couldn't cross. And then three days later

886
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: he got permission and he's like the deer was the

887
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: reagor said it was, it's fifty yards over that line. Um.

888
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: Uh So it was nice having like closure on all

889
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: those Um. This year was the first the season where

890
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: I got a little more loose, I should say, was

891
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 1: like who would track four and take calls? Um and

892
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: regret and don't regret that um, because I learned this

893
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: was I'd say this was the season of me learning

894
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: to screen calls better. Um, who would a track four?

895
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: I took some tracks for friends that they were just

896
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: courtesy tracks. UM. Close by, Hey, I shot I shot

897
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: it in the shoulder. Um, can you you know, can

898
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: you bring yeager. I'm like sure, um, go over there

899
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: and you know, hundred yards in two hundred yards and

900
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: we find an area with this much blood, you know,

901
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: and he continues on. He's barking his brains out and

902
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: like he's not a dead deer. And then the same

903
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: thing three weeks later. Oh yeah, I saw the black

904
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: he's got a scar on his shoulder. Yeah. Uh. And

905
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, you know, it's it's it's all recovery. You know,

906
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: you can't you were on lead state. You can't run

907
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: deer with dogs. Um, you know Alabama, that deer probably

908
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: would have gotten killed because you can run off lead

909
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: there and they can baite a deer and then shoot

910
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: it again. You can't do that in Tennessee. So it's

911
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: pretty much it's which you know, it makes it. It's

912
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: always a recovery effort or no effort. Um. But there,

913
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: you know there were tracks again, you know it was

914
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: one of the good example. Uh. It's beautiful puck um hunter,

915
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: never been eight and a half years old, never been

916
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: seen in daylight until he shot it. Just just gorgeous,

917
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: a huge mountain buck um. And I was pretty sure

918
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: he brisket shot at all kind of fat in the

919
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 1: blood at the head side. Um, And I knew that

920
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: going in, and I was like, this is you know,

921
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: it's quality of this deer. It's I'm I'll come down

922
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, we'll get about two hours for them. Really,

923
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: so that's a big deal. Um. And uh so he

924
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: they tracked it on a hundred fifty yards and lost

925
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: it in his pine ticket and uh yeager hit their

926
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: point of loss and then just you know, I always

927
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: tell hunters, you know, mark your point of us and

928
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: then mark your trail out because oftentimes people don't realize

929
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: that when you're grid searching, when you hike out you

930
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: have stuff when you now have deer scenting blood on

931
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: your bootoo and know about so when you leave, dogs

932
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: often get a little confused by that, and they'll check

933
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: it quick and then come back. Good ones will. But

934
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: it's always better to that, know. Um, it's just easier.

935
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Like if I see a break off suddenly on an

936
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: odd line that he shouldn't have, like that's weird. Um,

937
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: that's usually the hunter's trail. So the more information I

938
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: get ahead of time. So saying anyway he gets to there,

939
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: he's like thing, he just keeps going and I'm like, okay,

940
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 1: pass your point of loss. But when we're about probably

941
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: five hundred yards then and there was just like saying,

942
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: you know, a southern sandy slow a TV trail through

943
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: a pine thicket and there was like a speck of

944
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: blood that this big just to drop kind of over

945
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: a pineheel. And it's like, there's your you know, he's

946
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: on your deer. And the hunter was like, holy crap,

947
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, how one how do you see that? And

948
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: it's like I can't believe we haven't seen anything for

949
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: a while. And he's been doing this like up and

950
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: down and around, and I'm like, yeah, he's on your deer. Um.

951
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: And then we go into this just crazy cut down

952
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: stump spryers, just you know, thick, overgrown, clear cut um.

953
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: And he's bleeding heavily at this point on his own.

954
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: He his tongues out a lot. He cuts it all

955
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: the time. Um. If you watch some videos, you'll see

956
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: these goggles. Yeah, you have to look at these scratches

957
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: all over him. Later but like he received a couple

958
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: of injuries, um because he's running through briers. I've seen

959
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: him run through barbed wire. Um. So but he's just

960
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: charging and he gets into this little clear cut and

961
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I start seeing blood and I can't tell

962
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: if it's his blood or dear blood. So I pick

963
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: him up and he's losing his mind. And then I'm like,

964
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I go a little further and I'm like, okay, that's

965
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: that's that's fresh blood. It's not Yeagers. So I'm like,

966
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: we I think we just bumped your dear out of

967
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: this betting this this snarly of gnarly um worked our

968
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: way through it, and then continued about another two miles

969
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: over ridges, off cliff faces, through gullies, cross the creek,

970
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: up a face and you know, we're two miles in

971
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: at this point, thirty hours after he shot it, you know,

972
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: just seeing a drip a drip. Finally sat down and

973
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: just like watch, literally watched the drop of blood draw

974
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: out a leaf on a rock. I'm just sitting there,

975
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: like with Yeager, he's banning and he's bleeding from all orivices.

976
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean he literally he was bleeding from his nose,

977
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: his ears, his tongue, his claws, um, and you have

978
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: him leashed and he's leashed and he's he's just hunting

979
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: he's just like, I want to get this. He kill

980
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: himself going after that deer. But I'm like, your deer's

981
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: not dead. You know, it's thirty hours in. He's going

982
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: up and down supernarly terrain. Um, we found one bad

983
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: in a hole two and a half miles um, and

984
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel bad for the hunter was even like,

985
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, he laughed knowing he knew his deer was alive.

986
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: And that's that's a good feeling inside of it. To me,

987
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: that's a that's what track. Yes, that's there's no recovery

988
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: at the end of that, but there is no doubt

989
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: in that hunter's mind that the deer rus shot and

990
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: he may have died a week later, but at thirty

991
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: hours in, he's as strong as strong could be. He

992
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: was always gonna be five ten minutes in front of

993
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: us no matter what we did. You know. Um, so

994
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: get picture. So I haven't heard back. That was his fault, Yeah,

995
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: because I really hope he sees it again. Um. A

996
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: deer that all may just die anyway from the stress

997
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: of the whole ordeal, you know, Um, but um or

998
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: who knows another hunter could have got him or you know,

999
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: you never know Um, it's always great having closure on

1000
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: non recoveries, but no faulty. I mean he was he

1001
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: had bloody stools for four days after that track. I

1002
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: mean he was just he just gave that. He gave

1003
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: it all, and he would have never stopped. So that's

1004
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: part of my responsible as to handler is to judge

1005
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: when it's just time to say, okay, yeager, you've had enough,

1006
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: do you. Uh. There's a blood trailer that I know

1007
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: in Arkansas that I used one time. He's actually a

1008
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 1: pretty good friend of mine, and he just has random

1009
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: breeds of dogs, you know that he just gets one

1010
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: that he thinks would be a good blood try dog,

1011
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: but he's flenty of great ones that have no you know.

1012
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: He so he's a big hunter obviously that's why he

1013
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: got the dog. And uh he told me that he

1014
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: got to where when his phone rang his he was

1015
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: so excited hoping that it was a stranger that needed

1016
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: help tracking a deer. Even he even liked it more

1017
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: than hunting, which that was surprising me because when I

1018
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: called him at you know, seven o'clock at night on

1019
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: a you know it late in the fall, and like, dude,

1020
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: I need your help, like to me, it was like

1021
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: a burden, and it was he did have to travel,

1022
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: and but he was excited. You know you are you

1023
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: where are you at on that spectrum mix? Okay? Uh again,

1024
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: this was a season of learning. You know what, it's

1025
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: okay to say no um because Yeager was getting beat

1026
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: up um and and I was like, okay, we just

1027
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: need to back off. It's not fair to him. He's

1028
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: also just because he's now again, he's such a rare

1029
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: stud as far as techno registries go. Like, I hate

1030
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: to have him get really hurt or I mean rip

1031
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: his damn nuts off on a barbed wire. I don't

1032
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen out there. I mean we were

1033
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: we took a track once and there was like jagged,

1034
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: rusty metal up out of the ground and he ran

1035
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: across his chest. I mean, I mean, bad stuff happens

1036
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: to track. They get gore, they get hurt. So he

1037
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: is so yeah, I'm going to calibrate that right Like

1038
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not chasing numbers. I'm not trying to.

1039
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, it only feels successful if I get fifty

1040
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: a ton of work. That's what to me. It's it's

1041
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: six hours minimum from where I live usually to get

1042
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: to a track, to the track, get home. Um, so

1043
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: I just don't have that free time either. I mean,

1044
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 1: you know, if it's can venient, I'll come help. It's

1045
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: a friend, I'll come help that. Did you originally get

1046
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: the dog thinking that you would just use it for yourself? Yeah,

1047
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: it was. It was just like, hey, we need a

1048
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean you probably were like, it'd be fun to

1049
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: have a dog like this, to be fun to kind

1050
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: of have a pet that we but it would also

1051
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: be a blood tread and dog. I mean, it wasn't

1052
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: just like I want so many deer that I don't find.

1053
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: I need a dog that's not kill him any I

1054
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: mean again, your last year, I shot a here, this

1055
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: year I shot three shot before. Um uh, you know,

1056
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not you know, killing. It was kind

1057
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 1: of the holistic picture. I'm mainly a big game hunter.

1058
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: I wanted a hunting dog that contributed to my hunting

1059
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: style and that could help with so and I wanted

1060
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: to smoke. We travel a lot. Um, we already had

1061
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: one docks and I just I like their personality, their independence,

1062
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: their stubbornness. I have been elect Some people can't stand it,

1063
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, I personally can't stand like a border collie

1064
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: that brings a tennis bottle my feet and just stares

1065
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: at me until I pick it up. Like that drives

1066
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: me crazy. Some people love that. That's there. That's our podcast.

1067
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: We pick on things that we don't like. So we

1068
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: pick on tennis and golf. We're adding border College. You

1069
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: know that was good? Yeah, you know what I mean.

1070
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: We don't like border College. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1071
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: That personality of that, like that, that's super. I need

1072
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: to interact with you all the time. He wants to

1073
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: be on the couch or I want to be looking

1074
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: hunting off the back porch, or I want to be hunting.

1075
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I want you something like I like that. I

1076
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: like the independence of it that they display as a personality.

1077
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: Some people don't. Everybody's got their own, you know, likes

1078
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: and desires in this world. That's great. So he just

1079
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: fit what we want. You know, I'm in a kaya

1080
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: fishing kayak at he doesn't. He can get in the kayak,

1081
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: and he can I can waterfowl hunt with a small dog.

1082
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: Has anybody told you that they think you look like this? No? Yeah,

1083
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: he's got the cooler beard though, Okay, okay, that's not

1084
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: what I was saying. But you know how people say

1085
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: that you look like your dog. I don't know. I'm

1086
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: not making any judgments if he had those expects on though,

1087
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: he might. Um, so yeah, he's he's been. Um you

1088
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: know this season, Uh, I got I haven't done a

1089
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: ton of as many video I gotta do. I videoed

1090
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: that never shot Buck that he helped me recover. Um,

1091
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: we had a great recovery to start the season off

1092
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: that I recorded. It was it was probably the most

1093
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: This is on our YouTube channel. Um on my YouTube

1094
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: channel hours he's got on website now that wen go

1095
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: into that later. But um, uh I got a call

1096
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: October woman. Um, Christie high Christi if you're listening, Um,

1097
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: she shot crossbow buck. Um. It's totally one of the

1098
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: more interesting, like the details you start getting into because

1099
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: a lot of tracking is the question to ask at

1100
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: the very beginning phone the phone before you ever decide.

1101
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: And I was like where to shoot it from? She's like,

1102
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: I'm a tractor is that? And she's like, oh, we

1103
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: have a broken down tractor on our property. And instead

1104
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: of sending in a box blind, we sit in the

1105
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: cab right on that work. I'm sure the deer aren't

1106
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: scared of it. I think it's great, um um and uh.

1107
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: And then she's like, yeah, I shot it. It got

1108
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: out or I shot it. I saw it bed and

1109
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: then our dog got out of the yard, our shepherd

1110
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: and jumped it. And I'm just like, now, like, where's

1111
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: this going? Um? And then she's like yeah. So then

1112
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: I had my son and some of his friends come

1113
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: over and we we we tracked it under the mountain

1114
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: across the street and I'm like, and how many so

1115
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: how many human footsteps are in cents around scene? She's like, well,

1116
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: it's three last night, and then you know, a few

1117
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: more came this morning and we all looked again and

1118
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh boy, you know, yeah, this is complicated.

1119
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: It's like um and uh. And I was like, oh well,

1120
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: it was like and I was like, you're confident you

1121
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: She's like, I got shot at and never shot at it.

1122
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're confident. Did I'm like, you're confident

1123
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: then that this deer's dead and she's like I really

1124
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: thinking that. I was like, okay, I'll come down, but

1125
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: I'll get almost two hour drive go down, and this

1126
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: is like we're right again. It's like, do you know

1127
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: this person? Stranger? He called you? How did they get

1128
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: your number? United a blood tracker's website, and that's get around.

1129
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: She called somebody who knew the vet that treats you big. Yeah,

1130
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: so nice to know mint buck, you know. Um so

1131
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: she found us and it was a referral to It

1132
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: turns out two directions another tracker in Tennessee who had

1133
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: gotten a call and knew we were closer and referred

1134
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: the call. Um. And you're not getting paid for this.

1135
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: It's not like a job. Now, they might give you

1136
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: a tip or something, yeah, fuel, Yeah, what I do?

1137
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: I just asked for donations to Yeager's vet bills to

1138
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: such up to them. Um and most people want to

1139
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: see him work, are happy to contribute a little bit. Yeah,

1140
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: um so, and and he has them. I mean tracking

1141
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: something with the vet numeorous times. Um So, anyway, get

1142
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: down there and uh um hit site. You know, I

1143
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to hit site, and you know, takes us

1144
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: across this field and I front to see where the

1145
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: deer was bed. It's pretty bed in a pretty open

1146
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: spot like behind a barn um. And that's really like

1147
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: a really good sign. You know it ran a hundred

1148
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: yards embedded certainly that uh okay, I never jumping went

1149
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: from a bed a big negative, but betting within a

1150
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: hundred yards it's a big positive. UM. And they knew,

1151
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: like I said, they had, they knew blood where across

1152
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: the road, so I knew everything going to the road

1153
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: would be just letting yeager learned the center that deer um.

1154
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: And then we got up on the other face and

1155
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of got in this like rocky bench things,

1156
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, like go up thirty yards and have a

1157
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: rocky bench for ten and a big shelf. So he's

1158
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: going up, he's going up. And that's one thing tracking.

1159
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: We can get more into that. But one thing tracking

1160
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: teaches you throw all the freaking wives tails and stereotypes.

1161
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: They run downhill, they go to water, it's all bunk.

1162
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: They do what they want to do. There's any one

1163
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: rule they try to get back. Certainly was white tail

1164
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. They do whatever they can to get

1165
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: to their core betting air. Yeah, if there's any non

1166
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: just let the dog find it. Try to you know, predict.

1167
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: That's the one thing. If I'm gonna it's betting area

1168
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: UM and especially with the ture box. You know, they're

1169
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: they're really tight, but they got there. They're happy place

1170
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: and they want to be able to do whatever they

1171
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: can to get there. Um so um. So yeah, he's

1172
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: going up a face. Um, so get up to get

1173
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: up half parts up that face a few benches and

1174
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: get to their point of loss. And she was confused,

1175
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, yegor telling me go over here, my point

1176
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: of loss over here, and like yagor something to go

1177
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: over here. And then after working that out for I

1178
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: was just no, it was over there. I'm like okay, yeah,

1179
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,479
Speaker 1: said it was, um and then that was their point

1180
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: of loss and then continued on this point they can't

1181
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: keep up with me. Um, And I'm going across this

1182
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: rocky bench and see one drop and now I know

1183
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm on. This is kind of like just like a

1184
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: milestone of any track is confirmation after point of loss. Ultimately,

1185
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: I have in viewed that as I've done my job

1186
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: as a tracker. If I've advanced your line pass where

1187
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: you lost it, ultimately, I've contributed to this recovery more

1188
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: than you did on your own. So that's kind of

1189
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: that's like first milestone for me in a trap. Um.

1190
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: And a lot of tracks stirs no blood, so but

1191
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: getting it it's great. Okay, now I'll know I'm on

1192
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: virgin track, not contaminated. Just it's yeager and his nose

1193
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: versus this deer um and that you actually went across

1194
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: across this bench, it went back down a few benches,

1195
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: looped around, then did this straight up kind of path,

1196
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: and I was getting up probably when I was fifty yards.

1197
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: You hear me on the video go, I think I

1198
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: smell your buck and boom, there he is. What do

1199
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: you think that deer was doing? If he was zigging

1200
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: and zagging? Was he? You know, sometimes when you're blood

1201
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: trailing a deer i've found, you know, there's usually like

1202
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: a straight line for some distance and then the then

1203
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: the deer feels like it or this is my interpretation

1204
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: of the deer feels like it has escaped the danger

1205
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: that heard it. And then at that point you'll start

1206
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: to see it do different things. And usually if you

1207
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: see one that starts to zig and zag, I feel

1208
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: like we're about to find the deer. Like that deer

1209
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: right there that went up benches and made big loops,

1210
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: like what was he doing? I think I think he

1211
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: was getting away. Um. Once he got up on the benches,

1212
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 1: then he was looking for betting. Um. And I don't

1213
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: know again it wasn't clear that the dog following across

1214
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: the road how soon with the people once memory because

1215
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: the deer got jumped from that first bad So I

1216
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: think he was looking for batting again. And it was

1217
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out if you could, if you

1218
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: could give based on the knowledge that you've had from

1219
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: track and game with this dog. Um, for somebody that

1220
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a blood trailing dog and was blood trailing deer,

1221
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: what would be the number one tip that you would

1222
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: get somebody for finding a marginally hit animal if they

1223
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: were just tracking, not with a dog. Oh, it's not not,

1224
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: not not with a dog. Just just based upon what

1225
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: you have been because because you're learning stuff that you

1226
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: learn more in a season a track, and then you

1227
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: learn because because you're saying what that game, you know

1228
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 1: exactly what? So what would that one um like after

1229
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: they've lost it? Yeah, um, we'll certainly get a dog.

1230
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: If you can't do um, I mean describe birds without

1231
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: saying the word bird like meaning bird, yeah, meaning have

1232
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: somebody's number in your phone. You have to have your

1233
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: own dog, but find one near you if you're an

1234
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: I legalized state UM where it's allowed, and there's only

1235
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: a few that aren't UM like Iowa, umst Forginia. I

1236
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: think it's still not in the East, a couple in

1237
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: the west, but um having a plan of that and

1238
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: then to um. You know, unfortunately a lot of hunters

1239
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: don't know that their land good enough to know betting

1240
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: and feed always but just you know the betting area

1241
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: and they they're going to get back to that betting area.

1242
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: Just think in your in your head if I were

1243
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: trying to get back here, how would I do it? Um?

1244
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: After I've been bumped? I mean just you see you

1245
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: know here that gets shot. You know, people are like,

1246
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that buck he did a big loop but

1247
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: almost came right back to where I shot him. And

1248
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, because you shot him in his betting area.

1249
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: The deer wasn't like so you're doing something shot him

1250
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: and then he came back. Um. Uh. So it's it's

1251
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: one that you say. Then you hear the ones that

1252
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: you know always does this, he does that, And I'm

1253
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: sending a lot of it is you weigh it out

1254
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, that but if there's number one dictator of

1255
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: white tail behavior for certainly from a ture box, it's, um,

1256
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: how do I get to my home? Yeah, you know

1257
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: this is I've tracked a lot of game. To me,

1258
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: it's it's you kind of have to try to simplify things,

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01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe simpler, more simple than they really are. But to me,

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01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: a fringe hit animal Martin mortally wounded like a brisket

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01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: hit super far front shoulder. Um, if you hit the

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: deer low in the gut, like really low in the guts,

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have a hard time find. But if

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01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: you hit the deer in the anywhere kind of in

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: the center mass, even if it's an absolute gut shots,

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01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: great that deer, that deer is gonna die. Um, that's

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01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: kind of my and so like you know, so like

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01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've got kids, and we've had some last

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01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: couple of years, some issues with you know, not great shots,

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01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: and it's always like I can pretty much tell you

1271
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: these days when we're gonna find one and when we aren't,

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: and it's those fringe hits high or low are bad. Yeah,

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: leg hits. This is to me, I feel like if

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: I were to like label this year for us it

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01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: was a year of the leg shot. Yeah, and you're

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01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: not gonna find that. But a lot of times people's

1277
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: perception of what actually happened is not real. So they

1278
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: think they hit it good, that they really hit it

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01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: super lower. The deer dropped. I mean, that's that's the

1280
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: big thing is you may this all feel like you

1281
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: nailed it in that deer. Yeah, this is also the

1282
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: your spine shock. And I've tried to explain this to people. Um,

1283
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, deer off these processes that come up off

1284
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: their spine and their back and you shoot high or

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01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: even a little low and you hit one of those

1286
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: process it'll deer will fall where it stands, and then

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01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: it gets up and runs off. And you're not gonna

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: find that deer. Um, you didn't. You shot him through

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: his backstrap. You hit a process, it stuns them. Their

1290
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: nerves get all out of whack and then they get

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01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: their wits about them and then they're off. And yeah,

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01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: I fell right here, he flopped around a little bit.

1293
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: I saw blood, you know, I got blood. I'm like, yeah,

1294
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that's the stereotypical sponge shock. Um.

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01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: And we took a few of those this years getting

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01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, he a friend of a friend,

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: lives ten minutes away. Okay, I'll bring you a girl up. Um.

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01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: And but like if that guy was two hours way,

1299
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: I would have said, I'm not coming. You know, it's

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a waste of both of our time. Um,

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's that's the cash twenty two, right.

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like nobody wants to make a bad shot

1303
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: and losing animal. Nobody thinks they've lost their animals, so

1304
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna grid search. They want to do what they

1305
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: can to find it. Usually and and I want to

1306
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: do everything. I can't help somebody find their dear too,

1307
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: So it's weighing that do everything you can versus what's

1308
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: a waste of time? And the judgment call, Right, nobody's

1309
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: ever going to really know all those answers. But um,

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: it's this was the season of Okay, like we're taking

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01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: too many of these because I was I was starting

1312
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: like man like agers because we had like a stretch

1313
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: of three or four you know, just shoulder heads and

1314
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: spine and I was like, you're not gonna we didn't

1315
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: have recoveries, and and I was like, I think he's

1316
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: losing his coss with my wife. I was like, I

1317
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: think he's getting losing his confidence, like he's getting frustrated.

1318
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: I think I even go kill something so you can

1319
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: like stand on it and tug on a little bit,

1320
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: because um man, those tracks were all, the the signs

1321
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: are all. You know, he's barking, it's live, you know,

1322
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: you know I bet that. Then my perception of well,

1323
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: like coon hunting, sometimes will tree coon and not kill

1324
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: it for whatever reason, And you hear a lot of

1325
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: people say, oh, that's bad for a dog, but it

1326
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: doesn't make any difference. Like lots of competition coon hunters

1327
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: never shoot coons out after a dog gets a certain age,

1328
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: and that dog will tree coons the rest of his

1329
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: life and never even chew on one. And it's like that.

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: So there's something to be stuff for that. Here's here's

1331
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: my next question, and we'll be closing down pretty quick.

1332
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: But so blood trailing, just like a human, blood trailing

1333
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: really is a is a skill and a craft. Um

1334
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: you hear, I hear a lot of guys, um well,

1335
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: I think it's something that maybe not lost, but there's

1336
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: just there's some people that aren't as good at as

1337
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: the others. Do you think a lot of these deer

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: that you've recovered could have been recovered if a human

1339
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: had been a better blood trailer? No, okay, where were

1340
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: those hits? I can say that definitively. Um, where were

1341
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: those hits? I think there's one, this one for Christie

1342
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: uh a great example. I mean they looked twice, multiple people,

1343
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: big groups, um so on the video that one. I

1344
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: counted over seven hundred paces from their point of loss.

1345
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: That I saw two drops of blood on just fair.

1346
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: I would have been really hard. Now again, if they've

1347
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: got maybe the whole football team and the side of

1348
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: to go twenty yards sweet well, that whole mountain, they

1349
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: probably would have stumbled on it, you know, but most

1350
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: people don't would have done that, you know. And that

1351
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: was a hit. That was a hit. That was uh low.

1352
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: The entry point looked great for a broadside deer, but

1353
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 1: the exit was almost back rear ham gut. So it's skewered,

1354
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: skewered low through that dear um. Another another video on

1355
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: m on the YouTube channel was for a tracker last season.

1356
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: It was Yeager's last track last year, December track, um

1357
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: last deer track. He did a board from me after that,

1358
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 1: but um hunter shooting you know ridge top thirty thirty downhill. Um,

1359
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: he did everything right. He tracked for a ways. It's

1360
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: great blood, artery blood. There was brighter blood, some darker blood. Um. Uh,

1361
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: I would have thought it was a dead deer right

1362
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: there too. UM if I was, I mean I saw

1363
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: the blood and I was like early great blood that

1364
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: just petered out, um to nothing. And he didn't call

1365
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: a friend. He knew of blood tracking dogs. He didn't

1366
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: know any near here, but he knew him from New

1367
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,839
Speaker 1: York and that's kind of where least law tracking started

1368
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: in the States. Um. And so he put his orange

1369
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: hat where he gave up, and he knew exactly where

1370
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: he hiked out and called us. So he shot nine

1371
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: that morning. We got there on three thirty that day.

1372
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: Um and yeah, I'm from point it hit side down

1373
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: this mountain face rocky. He kind of broke off and

1374
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: did a big walk about, um, which I think was

1375
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: just other live here that I crossed the trail at

1376
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: that point, came back. We're going down the face. One

1377
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: drop of blood, creek, drop of blood, drop of blood

1378
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: where he came out of the creek. Then there's a

1379
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: road I didn't see any blood on the road. But

1380
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: then there's a barbed wire fence, some hair on it,

1381
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: and then once he jumped that fence, he was and

1382
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: basically grass cattle pastures for as far as you can see.

1383
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: And Yacre got in there, and so this is the

1384
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: end in that video. And he starts running these like

1385
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: I call him wax on wax of circles from Karate Kid,

1386
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: Like you startually running these sweeps, but they're kind of

1387
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: sweeps that start progressing in a certain direction. Um, and

1388
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: actually turned the camera off. I thought I used just

1389
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: running around falling cows, you know. Um, who knows what

1390
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: he's doing. Um. And then he kind of worked away

1391
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: across the creek in that field and then worked up

1392
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 1: by this barn and then came back and then he

1393
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: just knows, kind of settled down and he just takes

1394
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: off like he just settles on the line and it

1395
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: starts going and I'm just just just want to walk

1396
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: now and I'm looking in that field and it's all

1397
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: just grass. Never saw any but we probably we went

1398
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: eight hundred yards. There was even one like headgerow that

1399
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: came and cut through and there was no fence or

1400
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: so I'm like, and Yeager's going through it. It's just

1401
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: like five ft wide. I'm like, I'm on my hands

1402
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: and knees there. I made him stop and I'm looking.

1403
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, if it had and if if we're on

1404
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: it went through right here? Um and nothing. Continue and

1405
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: continue on and then hit a fence line and there's

1406
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: a bloody weed this tall and that's what during the

1407
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: camera back on it like like, holy sh it, dude,

1408
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: like you're on it and uh and that deer when

1409
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: up this fence row and I thought he's hurting pretty good,

1410
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: um because he wouldn't wouldn't want to jump it yet.

1411
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: And then he goes to jump it and I'm about

1412
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: the cross of barbed wire fence and I told the

1413
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,560
Speaker 1: guys the friend. The guy who tried to called the

1414
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: friend and I was like, go around the fence, hand

1415
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeager over to you. So he's looping around um for

1416
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: me to hand Yeager over the barbed wire. He's like,

1417
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: oh the dearest hear this han't got in there and

1418
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: boom hit the same thing. How far did he go

1419
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: past where the guy lost it? Uh? Well, from hit

1420
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: site to recovery was almost a mile, So I would

1421
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: and that was an intestine shot in the end, so

1422
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: you asked the location, so it was and you'll see

1423
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: you'll see intestines hanging out at the Buck's recovery right there. Yeah,

1424
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: so that's and that was again when I was like,

1425
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: all right, that's why I can definitively say, like, what

1426
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: a good tracker. And and John was tracked before he

1427
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: said right in the film he's like he would have

1428
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: never found there without yet. Yeah, that's awesome, man. So

1429
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 1: that's why that there's no hesitation when you said, well,

1430
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 1: a good human tracker. Fine, no, no doubt in behind there,

1431
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: there's the next level, all those the service area in

1432
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: that knows you're talking about. It's just it's no contest um.

1433
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: There's no contest um. And that's why a lot of

1434
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 1: places again by law in Europe, you gotta have one.

1435
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: Um Yeager Yeager mains hunter German hunter in German. Damon

1436
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: thinks a ton man, tell me, tell me where people

1437
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: they can find on social media and stuff. So I'm

1438
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: on my YouTube channel that have the Yeager videos. It's

1439
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: just Damon Bungard d m O N b U n

1440
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: j R d um on YouTube. Um On, I'm on Facebook, Um,

1441
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: and then Yeager stuff. He's at yeager Tracks on Instagram,

1442
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: so like j A E G. E R Tracks on

1443
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: Instagram and then he's got his own website. I just

1444
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: made him at Christmas www, dot yeager Tracks, dot com,

1445
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: um and Facebook yeager Tracks. So yeah, that's he. That's

1446
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: been really informative, man, it really has happy to be

1447
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: of service and if anybody has any questions, that's listening,

1448
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: and you know, feel free to reach out to me.

1449
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: I'll do my best throughs Blond to everybody that reaches out.

1450
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm always available, happy to help, just like Igor is.

1451
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks Tom Damon, you appreciate it. To the

1452
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: rest of your a t keep the wild place as

1453
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: wild because that's where the bears live. Yep.